'Pakistan's relations with China will never fray': Asad Umar responds to US concerns over CPEC

Updated November 23, 2019

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Minister for Planning Asad Umar addressing a press conference in Karachi on Saturday. — DawnNewsTV
Minister for Planning Asad Umar addressing a press conference in Karachi on Saturday. — DawnNewsTV

Newly appointed Minister for Planning Asad Umar on Saturday set the record straight on the nature of Pakistan's ties with China, especially within the purview of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), saying that relations between the two countries "will never fray".

His remarks were specifically in response to a recent statement by United States diplomat Alice Wells, who is in charge of South Asia affairs at the US State Department. The diplomat had "warned" that CPEC will further add to Pakistan's debt burden.

"She said that CPEC is not an aid but an investment and this is correct. There is a small grant element contained within it but fundamentally it is an investment. Pakistan has always recognised that this is not aid and especially this government has always maintained that it wishes to move past the initial scope of the arrangement," said Umar while addressing a press conference in Karachi.

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"The aid that Pakistan received in the past did not really contribute in real terms towards the country's progress and she was right to point out that we must stand on our own two feet," the minister added while systematically addressing each of the concerns expressed by Wells.

Umar, however, rejected the notion that China was the sole benefactor of the arrangement.

"We have said this on many occasions in the past [...] that both countries have benefitted [from CPEC]. Chinese firms got business as their machinery was exported and came to Pakistan. The lack of infrastructure in Pakistan, especially in the power sector, was where a lot of the country's needs were met. Besides that, CPEC became a source of financing in large amounts which was previously unavailable for Pakistan. So a base for infrastructure was laid out in the first phase and now further developments will take place in the next phase," explained the minister.

"This is what developed countries do. With countries they have good relations with, they enter into agreements that are mutually beneficial. Otherwise, there can never be a relationship of equality and self-respect."

Regarding a specific query related to ML-1, Umar said that Pakistan's biggest weakness when it comes to transportation is that it does not have a low-cost transport system.

"The world over, and in America especially, a big reason for their industrial competitiveness is the low-cost transportation system. The cheapest is the river system especially the Mississippi River System and their train systems. Pakistan has long-neglected its train system.

"I was looking at data from the late 60s and saw that 79 per cent of fertiliser was being transported through the railways and now that number is not even 2pc. So there is no doubt that we must improve our railway systems.

"What the ideal structure will be, the final cost, etc., is being worked out feasibility-wise and of course the most competitive structure will be chosen regardless of whether 'billions of dollars of investment' have been made. Even Pakistan's road structure has seen billions of dollars of investment," he pointed out.

Debt crisis has 'nothing to do with China'

The minister said that Wells' primary contention was that Pakistan is sinking further into the quagmire of debt with CPEC. "She said that Pakistan's economy has begun to be crushed under the weight of the Chinese debt. There is no doubt that Pakistan's external debt has mounted to an extent that economic progress is being impacted and a year ago there was a crisis-like situation. But that has nothing to do with China," said Umar.

He then went on to explain the role that China has played in Pakistan's debt crisis.

"Our total public debt right now is $74bn of which the Chinese debt amounts to $18bn — even less than one-fourth of the total debt. And if I further break it down, the CPEC debt under this figure of public debt is $4.9bn — not even 10pc of the total debt," the minister noted.

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"As far as the money taken from China is concerned, it was taken at such a time when our trade deficit was dangerously high and our reserves were falling. We were unable to easily procure loans from other sources. This was the hallmark of China's friendship with Pakistan that in such a time of crisis, it provided us loans from its commercial banks."

He said that over the course of the next three years, debt servicing will see about a third being spent on settling the commercial loans from China. "After three years this commercial borrowing will be substituted by long-term, multi-lateral debt and so the portion of Chinese debt servicing will witness a sharp decline."

He said that Wells' argument that the commercial loans were expensive and do not have a long enough payback period was incorrect. "The public debt obtained from China has a maturity period of 20 years and the interest is 2.34pc, which is cheap. And if I include the grant element, the interest value slides down to about 2pc," the minister explained.

Dismissing her allegation that Pakistan's development will be limited under CPEC, Umar said that in the first phase the infrastructural development had focused on roads and energy projects. On this basis, he added, Pakistan will see industrial development.

"Beginning in about two months' time, special economic zones will start opening. She was right to say that not many jobs have been created because in the first phase, when infrastructural development is the goal, that happens. But on the basis of that when industrial development takes off, that will pave the way for jobs."

He also said that the scope of CPEC had been broadened to include an emphasis on agriculture and social sectors. "So there is, in fact, progress to be expected ahead by leaps and bounds on the basis of CPEC," he stressed.

'Iron brother'

Umar also spoke of the US diplomat's concern that when the US invests there is a transfer of technology and it was not the same with Chinese investments.

"There is no doubt about the transfer of technology as a result of US investment, but China is part of a technology war now and is a big source of technology. Moreover, Pakistan will go towards wherever greater chances for technological development lie," he said.

"China is our extremely close friend and partner and has stood by Pakistan in our most difficult times. They call us their iron brother. When any of us go to China we realise even more deeply the ties that bind us. So we always aim to forge even stronger ties.

"But this does not mean we are against anyone else. This does not mean we are against the US. We wish to have better relations with all countries. I can assure Alice Wells that American companies were welcome, are welcome and will continue to be welcome to invest in Pakistan," said Umar.

"Pakistan has over the past few decades always paid the collateral damage when it comes to wars between other countries. We will never wish to create a situation in which we become a part of anyone else's altercation," he concluded.

'Wrong analysis'

Also on Saturday, a statement issued by the Ministry of Planning, Development and Reform refuted Wells' assertions, saying her views were based on "wrong analysis and incorrect assessment of the facts".

A spokesperson for the ministry said CPEC projects are "not adding to the woes of the country" in terms of debt burden.

"IMF officials during the last visit also endorsed the factual stance by stating that they had full access to borrowing and maturity terms of the CPEC projects and its loans were manageable," the press release claimed.

It said that primary data collected from 12 projects under CPEC revealed that of the 81,121 total workforce in these projects, more than 90pc are Pakistani workers.


With additional reporting by Tahir Sherani in Islamabad.