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Indian inclusion could affect strategic stability, Pakistan tells Nuclear Suppliers Group

Updated Jun 08, 2016 08:51pm

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ISLAMABAD: A day after India received support from the United States' for Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) membership, Pakistan cautioned the cartel of nuclear technology holders that country specific exemptions would negatively impact strategic stability in South Asia.

In order to mobilise support for Pakistan’s NSG membership, a briefing session was held in Islamabad with NSG countries diplomatic missions invited.

“Pakistan has the expertise, manpower, infrastructure and the ability to supply NSG controlled items, goods and services for a full range of nuclear applications for peaceful uses,” said Tasnim Aslam, head of the UN desk at the Foreign Office.

She urged the attending diplomats to adopt an objective and non-discriminatory criteria for membership of non-NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty) states.

Aziz calls foreign ministers

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs, Sartaj Aziz, has contacted the foreign ministers of Russia, New Zealand and the Republic of Korea, as part of Pakistan’s diplomatic efforts for mobilising support for membership in the NSG.

“Calls were made as part of Pakistan’s continuing diplomatic efforts,” said the FO spokesman.

He added Aziz highlighted Pakistan’s credentials for the NSG membership. The spokesman claimed that his interlocutors expressed support for a non-discriminatory approach on NSG expansion to non-NPT states.

Related: Pakistan formally applies to join nuclear suppliers club

India's membership of the NSG is "not merited until the country meets the group's standards", a New York Times (NYT) editorial said earlier in June.

The group's membership has signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty but India has refused to do so, which means "it has not accepted legally binding commitments to pursue disarmament negotiations, halt the production of fissile material for nuclear weapons and not test nuclear weapons".

A key US Senator, Ed Markey, had also warned that enabling India to join the NSG would cause a “never-ending” nuclear race in South Asia.

Pakistan's application is likely to lead to a showdown in the group which has also been facing calls to induct India as a member.

US President Barack Obama announced Tuesday that his country is backing India’s bid to join the club. China could also insist, as a condition of India's membership, that Pakistan also be allowed to join.

The NSG, which was created in response to India's first nuclear test in 1974, is expected to hold its next meeting in June.

The NSG is a 48-nation club dedicated to curbing nuclear arms proliferation by controlling the export and re-transfer of materials that could foster nuclear weapons development.

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Rafi Ka Deewana Jun 08, 2016 07:06pm

Let us be serious and put things under perspective. Exactly what will India do after, suppose, it gets into NSG? Attack Pakistan? Send more RAW agents? Take away Pakistan's friends?

The reality is, none of the above will happen, and if it does happen, for sure not because of NSG.

So why not Pakistan plan properly, meet the NSG requirements, and get into it in the next few years? The side benefit - in the process, all it's current problems will be solved.

Umer Jun 08, 2016 07:08pm

"The NSG, which was created in response to India's first nuclear test in 1974, is expected to hold its next meeting in June."

India has refused to sign the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty that all the other NSG group has signed.

Even the Indian NSG application is a joke let alone letting her join but then again nothing is fair in this world.

amir_indian Jun 08, 2016 07:10pm

INDIA will soon join NSG & UNSC - wait n watch

Umer Jun 08, 2016 07:12pm

@Rafi Ka Deewana And when did India meet NSG requirements? It even refused to sign the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty that all the other NSG group has signed.

One should atleast be fair.

Jo Jun 08, 2016 07:18pm

India deserves to be a permanent member of the UN Security Council with Veto power. India is the only democratic country in the world with over a billion people.

Jane Tu Na Jane Na.. Jun 08, 2016 07:19pm

First attempt is bound to fail and no one is hopeful about it.. Next attempt will be interesting when Chinese investments and imports to India will be blocked... just wait and watch

probono publico Jun 08, 2016 07:24pm

Very important that Pakistan appoints a dedicated FM asap to address foreign affairs issues like these.

Desi Dimag Jun 08, 2016 07:26pm

Don't worry, India is a responsible country never attacked anyone before, just defended herself.

RAJA CHILL Jun 08, 2016 07:27pm

Out of 48 NSG countries the only probable country who can object to Indian entry would be china for the reasons known to all.keep fingers crossed.

Lahori Jun 08, 2016 07:31pm

The best way is for us to sign the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, since we don't want to get into race. This action will clearly prove our seriousness. Step to peaceful region and beyond. World pressure will come down hard on India. Additionally, we will get NSG and nuclear deals. Win – Win for us.

politics Jun 08, 2016 07:33pm

all game of big politics

INDIA FIRST Jun 08, 2016 07:33pm

@Umer As if your application is a masterpiece and that's why you're still waiting for inclusion?

Ramesh Jun 08, 2016 07:34pm

You just can't stop indian development through this, think something better

lovethyneigbour Jun 08, 2016 07:38pm

Let Pakistan also demonstrate and convince that nuclear usage is for non military purposes

Dalbir Singh Jun 08, 2016 07:39pm

India have no worries as USA has taken responsibility of Indias admission to NSG and all NSG members gave agreed to admit India into the group except China .USA knows how to make China fall in line with threat of imposing international trade sanctions and heavy duties on its goods etc.

Khurram Jun 08, 2016 07:46pm

Indian dream will be quashed by China.

Meow Jun 08, 2016 07:50pm

India is set to join NSG group

Ghaznavi Jun 08, 2016 07:50pm

Thus will be litmus test for Pak-China friendship.

Willium Boult Jun 08, 2016 07:51pm

If we remember NSG was established in response to Indian nuclear proliferation back in 1974.

imaddi Jun 08, 2016 07:51pm

@amir_indian lets be objective here please- deviod of blind nationalism. This is about following the rules of NSG--sign NPT and join. If they apply a special standard to India; then it will be a neverevending roll of exceptions for other countries.

Muzaffar Ali Jun 08, 2016 07:52pm

Remember Soviet Union with all their armaments.....and nuclear power!

Inside determines your Outside.....physically and Spiritually....

Lafanga Jun 08, 2016 07:52pm

@Rafi Ka Deewana "Send more RAW agents?"

How many more is more?

Pakistan has no problem India joining the NSG but only if Pakistan is included at the same time or India will exclude Pakistan forever. On principle this correct stand because both countries have yet to sign NPT.

Ghaznavi Jun 08, 2016 07:53pm

@Jo "India deserves to be a permanent member of the UN Security Council with Veto power. India is the only democratic country in the world with over a billion people."

So your argument is that over population should be rewarded ? The kind of democracy India has is unique. People in Kashmir are rounded up and forced at gunpoint to vote, just to show a voter turnout and hence to reinforce the "integral part" mantra

Zak Jun 08, 2016 07:53pm

@Rafi Ka Deewana once India gets in, they will stop Pakistan getting in because in the NSG you do not need a majority but a 100% consensus. US does not want India in NSG but they are playing their cards in such a way, supporting India, to make them feel happy but knowing China and many more of the 48 countries will say 'no'. Their conditions will be either India sign NPT but if not than Pakistan must get NSG membership as well. US and China the two super powers playing chess with their respective pawns, India and Pakistan.

Asghar Jun 08, 2016 07:54pm

Acceptance of India would permanently preclude later admission of Pakistan, as Delhi is most likely to vote against Islamabad’s entry. NSG membership for India would increase resentment among those non-nuclear NPT states that regard the NSG as an illegitimate instrument of industrialised countries, which aim to refuse less developed countries access to economically significant technologies.

Lafanga Jun 08, 2016 07:55pm

@Desi Dimag You call interference in East Pakistan in 1971 and now in Baluchistan self defense? How about meddling in internal affairs of Sri Lanka, supporting Tamil tigers, meddling in Myanmar and Nepal?

M.Saeed Jun 08, 2016 07:58pm

@Rafi Ka Deewana : If your reason is accepted then what was wrong if Pakistan (as claimed) had supplied nuclear material that helped Iranian and N.Korean nuclear efforts?

Rafi Ka Deewana Jun 08, 2016 08:00pm

@Umer, Zak - My point is not India getting into NSG. It may never get in. I am talking about Pakistan's reaction at everything Indian including Modi's current tour. That's all.

Peace and Harmony Jun 08, 2016 08:01pm

The reason India doesn't sign NPT is because the first signatories of the treaty can keep their nuclear weapons (US, UK, China, France and Russia) and everyone else should not have n-weapons, so in that way it is not fair. So yes, India joining NSG is unfair, but the world was unfair to begin with.

Might is Right.

citizen Jun 08, 2016 08:01pm

Why not we focus more on our entry in to NSG rather than blocking the entry of India?

Indian Jun 08, 2016 08:04pm

@imaddi France was admitted to NSG before signing the NPT.

Ramsay Bolton Jun 08, 2016 08:05pm

@Jane Tu Na Jane Na.. : So be it. Good for India. They have more to lose. India's export to China is roughly 8B $ and imports from China is 52B $, so China is making approximately 44B $ through India.

Sunil Jun 08, 2016 08:05pm

@Umer Get some knowledge France has not signed NPT, yet its a member of NSG.

Sunil Jun 08, 2016 08:07pm

@Lafanga Pakistan is meddling in Afghanistan affairs, why?

RAK Jun 08, 2016 08:08pm

Opposition to India isn't just from Pakistan and China. New York Times recently had an editorial where they argued that NSG rules are clear, and that India must sign the non proliferation treaty first. No exceptions for India was the theme of the article

Sandy Jun 08, 2016 08:09pm

@Umer Even France wasn't NPT signatory when they got the NSG membership. China is not member MTCR they too have NSG membership!!

Vinay Kapoor Jun 08, 2016 08:11pm

Try whatever you can, India joining is inevitable. Be it this time or next. Remember as per news American diplomats are already in China for their support. This shows what alone India can do for itself.

SA Jun 08, 2016 08:14pm

Hmmm... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-publicly-names-Pakistan-for-Mumbai-terror-attacks/articleshow/52634494.cms

the all weather friend!!

lafanga Jun 08, 2016 08:16pm

@Sunil "Pakistan is meddling in Afghanistan affairs, why?"

There is only one country meddling in Afghanistan's affairs and that is US. To the lesser extent and no less deadlier is India which in cahoots with NDS is spreading terror in Pakistan.

curious2 Jun 08, 2016 08:16pm

What strategic stability?

Tamil Guru Jun 08, 2016 08:17pm

@RAK says :-> Opposition to India isn't just from Pakistan and China. New York Times recently ...

Pakistan and China are countries, New York Times is just a news paper.

Dev Jun 08, 2016 08:21pm

@Umer NPT is not a requirement in NSG. The had already been a lot of non-NPT signatories made member of the NSG.

Bahubali Jun 08, 2016 08:23pm

@Zak US is not playing chess, its India which is playing chess. US is never good in chess. This time its a check to China( support us or loose your business in India which is heavily in favour of China) and When China saves this check ,

lafanga Jun 08, 2016 08:27pm

@Dalbir Singh "USA knows how to make China fall in line with threat of imposing international trade sanctions and heavy duties on its goods etc."

Do you know how much of US debt China owns? It's 1.5 trillion USD which is equal to the entire size of Indian GDP. If China raises the interest on this by 1/2 % point, US will shake to it's core.

This is not 1960's that US could threaten China. It's 2016.

PrasadDeccani Jun 08, 2016 08:33pm

@RAK

Agreed, opposition is from Pakistan, China and New York Times

Akhtar Jun 08, 2016 08:34pm

@Rafi Ka Deewana The problem is that once India is a member of NSG, it can block Pakistan's entry into the group in the future because to get the entry into the group requires consensus of the members of NSG. . India is a country who has been blocking Pakistan to get anything for its defense needs from day one. India hates Pakistan guts.

Dalbir Singh Jun 08, 2016 08:37pm

@lafanga It is all about power politics.Chinas economic future and stability is interconnected with the world mainly USA and Europe.Just wait and watch

Sanket Jun 08, 2016 08:40pm

Strategic stability, balance of power...??? Come on Pakistan, we want new terms.

Rohit Jun 08, 2016 08:44pm

Just listen to Modi address the US congress live......

Peace and Harmony Jun 08, 2016 08:45pm

India won't get in this round in the NSG summit that is happening in Seoul in 2 weeks time, because China is still hot and not enough time for diplomacy. But soon enough because India has the support of other 47 NSG members and Indians are masters when it comes to diplomacy.

However for Pakistan's case, China's support won't be enough. "If India joins, Pakistan should also join" argument will not work. Signing NPT is the only option.

Vbprince Jun 08, 2016 08:46pm

@Umer I India will get it. We have cleared the 1st step i.e. MTCR having 34 countries as members. This group doesn't have China as member. All 34 supported India. Now NSG has 48 members of which 34 are same as that of MTCR. Means 34 out of 48 votes are already there in NSG, means majority. Remaining 14 include China also. But unlike UNSC, there is no Veto power in NSG. Means India is already through to NSG. Now unless otherwise something nasty happens, nobody can stop us.

Vbprince Jun 08, 2016 08:48pm

@RAJA CHILL FYI We have cleared the 1st step i.e. MTCR having 34 countries as members. This group doesn't have China as member. All 34 supported India. Now NSG has 48 members of which 34 are same as that of MTCR. Means 34 out of 48 votes are already there in NSG, means majority. Remaining 14 include China also. But unlike UNSC, there is no Veto power in NSG. Means India is already through to NSG. Now unless otherwise something nasty happens, nobody can stop us.

Desi Dimag Jun 08, 2016 08:50pm

Right now you can see live how Modi is digging a hole to enter in NSG.

Sudhir Neyalasinger Jun 08, 2016 08:52pm

Funny that Pakistan is talking of India not signing NPT when Pakistan itself is not a signatory.

lafanga Jun 08, 2016 08:57pm

@Dalbir Singh US and Europe depend too much on China and China needs both markets. It's economic version of mutually assured destruction. Neither side will raise it above a certain threshold. If it was that important for US to have India in NSG then they would have already threatened China which they havent and never will.

US wants Indian market for arms exports and to use India for counter balance to China which is a bit of non starter comparing the vast economic and military difference between the two. US wants to throw some crumbs at India to keep it interested. That is all there is to it.

Maxx Jun 08, 2016 09:05pm

@Bahubali China exports in 2015 was in the range of 2.28 trillion USD and imports around 1.68 trillion USD, with a Foreign exchange reserves of 3.5 trillion USD, largest in the world. It's nominal GDP was 11.38 trillion USD(five times that of India). No you can figure, an India-China trade of say 75-80 billion(heavily in favor of China) USD is meager and less than 4% of China exports worldwide. This is the reason China gives not that importance to India.

Good luck Jun 08, 2016 09:09pm

Confused is our policy, do we want NSG or stop India getting it !!

Javed Jun 08, 2016 09:10pm

India does things to get on par with the major countries of the world,

hnr Jun 08, 2016 09:10pm

@Khurram

China is one of the countries...not the only country winch can dictate to the world....

Manjeet Jun 08, 2016 09:11pm

Bro collaborate with us .why worry after all your big brother is getting into that coveted group. Why not to associate with us and look stronger rather than wasting your efforts in opposing us. Once we can enter mars no one can stop out entry in NSG. India is unstoppable now.

Cosmo Jun 08, 2016 09:19pm

@citizen ah, the million dollar question.

atheist Jun 08, 2016 09:32pm

No leader can match modi's diplomacy skill in the world.. Indian are blessed with modi as pm. I am really surprised, how much matured and accurate was Indian voters when they chose modi as PM with 2/3 Rd majority after 24 years of coalition government in India.

Amal Jun 08, 2016 09:34pm

Even if India does not join NSG, their economy is strong enough to buy uranium from its members unlike Pakistan which does not have strong economy.

Farhan Jun 08, 2016 10:11pm

Over the time we made mistakes after mistakes and helped India bully us. None of our tit for tat actions helped us. Reality is India reached to its superpower goals.

Indian Jun 08, 2016 10:28pm

It's a matter of time that India will become permanent member of united nation security council and NSG. How can world afford to neglect the world's biggest democracy and fastest growing economy.

khan Jun 08, 2016 10:36pm

@Desi Dimag . Yes, a very peaceful country indeed. Its only folly is to export terrorism to Pakistan via Afghanistan. But hey, if its India its O.K. Have dreams of becoming great, then practice what you preach.

Khwarezmi Jun 08, 2016 11:01pm

This would be against strategic Pakistani interests if India get a membership. Pakistan must work closely with the chinese from preventing this from happening.

Shahid Jun 08, 2016 11:09pm

These are incremental steps. Those who are facilitating India's entry into NSG, also have other ideas like expansion of UN security counsel. Just keep that element somewhere in the equation.

lafanga Jun 08, 2016 11:21pm

@Vbprince Do you honestly believe that countries will oppose and antagonize China, a 11.5 trillion economy, in order to appease India, a 1.5 trillion economy?

Abdulla Hussain Jun 08, 2016 11:28pm

This is the reward Pakistan is getting for supporting America & its allies in war against terror. Pakistan should make a resolve not to support any fight for others especially west. I am not concerned about India joining what or getting what my concern is the generation of extreme anti sentiments in Pakistan of getting let down once again by America & allies. America has to think twice about any injustices that may happen to Pakistan.

Ron Jun 08, 2016 11:33pm

@Umer France, Brazil and Argentina became member of NSG before they signed NPT. So signing NPT is not a prerequisite to joining NSG

Truthtruth Jun 08, 2016 11:50pm

Despite of blocking others bid you should concentrate on your profile to being a responsible nation to get into NSG. your this action shows you know already you cannot meet requirements for NSG and cannot get it.

LOLIndian Jun 08, 2016 11:51pm

Within 1 year, India will be a part of NSG, whether Pak-China like it or not. Now try as hard as you can ;-)

Justice Jun 09, 2016 12:01am

IMO, Pakistan should sign NPT without delay. That will make it progress. Pakistan is going to disintegrate, even with Nuclear weapons. The good way to save this is sign NPT, and start the business.

Mustafa R. Jun 09, 2016 12:02am

@Ron;

' France, Brazil and Argentina became member of NSG before they signed NPT'

False claim, all three countries have signed NPT, with Only France signing as a nuclear state. The last of the three Brazil signed NPT in 1998.

Third Party Jun 09, 2016 12:06am

Pakistan's proliferation records are very bad....@003 it was claimed ,it transfer to North Korea clandestainely

vrpatil Jun 09, 2016 12:14am

Useless fellows...

Sri Jun 09, 2016 12:15am

Pakistan is behaving like North Korea, give me respect or else! China's only friends North Korea and Pakistan. What a company .. China's economy is 11.5 trillion because others are buying it's goods not because of domestic consumption. China needs global market too keep its home in peace not other way around. Don't worry about China holding US Treasury , it cannot sell it unless US agrees! 200 empty cities, unemployment due to automation, opaque financial systems and lack of democracy will never make it a superpower.

Buzzkill Jun 09, 2016 12:16am

@lafanga : Can you please explain how will China raise the interest rates on US debt? FYI only the US Federal Reserve can raise the interest rates on US debt. Also you make it sound like China owns 90% of US debt. In reality China only owns about 7% of US debt & more than 70% of US debt is owed to US institutions, individuals, trusts & social security. Also, India's current nominal GDP is $2.3 trillion & not $1.5 trillion. Check you facts & stop exaggerating them to suit your argument.

INDIAN LOVE Jun 09, 2016 12:18am

Waiting for outcome of 9th & 24th june meeting. India bid for getting membership growing stronger & stronger day by day.

Sunny Jun 09, 2016 12:26am

@lafanga - In 1990, India and China economies didnt have much difference..Let them analyse the economies after 15 years and India will be a power bigger than china.

Insaf Jun 09, 2016 12:27am

Panic in Pakistan? Rather they should try to include their country

Jasmine Jun 09, 2016 12:29am

@lafanga You are assuming that for China this is a serious issue. China at present has many issues with its neighbors in south china sea and it knows which battle to pick.

Truth Jun 09, 2016 12:39am

@lafanga

And who who will endorse to raise the interest rate.. the great Pakistan?

Vayuu Jun 09, 2016 12:41am

@lafanga India's economy is 2.3 trillion not 1.5 and yes forget about usa, China won't want to upset India, coz china is the biggest trading partner of India and it could upset the relation especially economic relations of both countries, it's gonna be fun coz china will find itself in a very tight situation, it could be 47 countries supporting one and only one country opposing and disturbing it's economic relationship with that country or 48 country supporting that country and India getting entry into NSG.

Jasmine Jun 09, 2016 12:43am

@Maxx Pakistanis are assuming that for China, Pakistan is so important that it is willing to go any lengths. Do you guys know what happened in 1999 Kargill war.

Vayuu Jun 09, 2016 12:45am

@lafanga so you mean to say 18 trillion America and 18 trillion Europe are afraid of china, by the way Indian economy is 2.35 trillion and not 1.5,which is still larger than 260 billion of pak and India and China trade has a much bigger potential than china pak, and like they say no body is permanent friend and enemy in politics .

Vayuu Jun 09, 2016 12:51am

@Maxx u are right, but the thing is this trade has massive potential and both countries know that, and Iam not talking about 80 or 100 billions, but much more than that, the thing you are forgetting is both countries are two of the largest market in the world and we are talking about 1/5th and 1/6th of humanity, remember one thing trade is never about what it is, but what can it be.

Jasmine Jun 09, 2016 12:51am

@lafanga Do you know that if China does anything to shake USD, it will hurt itself too. They are not stupid to do that.

ibmx Jun 09, 2016 01:07am

Amazon has said it will increase its investment in India by $3bn (£2.1bn), bringing the total amount invested in the country to more than $5bn

Syed Jun 09, 2016 01:16am

We only know how to complain. It would be nice to focus less on others and more on ourselves for a change.

qwekids Jun 09, 2016 01:19am

@lafanga do you know US can print Green bills as much it wants pay off in days? number always doesn't matter

qwekids Jun 09, 2016 01:23am

@Ramsay Bolton So china looses more Bussiness compare to india ? 44 Billion ? Your best CPEC Cost?

amin Jun 09, 2016 01:31am

@Third Party I am sure somebody transferred the technology to you too.

Dsb_Dsb Jun 09, 2016 01:43am

Here is point by point rebuttal to NYT's article about India's NSG application -

http://thewire.in/2016/06/06/the-new-york-times-trips-up-on-india-and-the-nsg-41003/

Omar Jun 09, 2016 01:56am

If india is allowed into the NSG this is a dangerous and irresponsible development to the region and the world at large and will set a wrong precedent. How can a country the refuses every overture of Pakistan to make South Asia nuclear free, diverted peaceful Canadian (CANDU) nuclear technology for military weapons and test detonated a ''surprise'' nuclear device whilst still refusing to sign the NPT agreement be allowed to do such a thing. The US would be foolish to do such a thing and the world needs to make sure that such a thing does not happen.

hindu Jun 09, 2016 02:00am

what about nuclear walmart

Ahmed Jun 09, 2016 02:07am

At least India's selling their goodies to Saudi Arabia & North Korea............

Thunderbolt Jun 09, 2016 03:11am

Now that the US is backing India to join NSG we should not forget that the NSG, was created in response to India's first nuclear test in 1974, and furthermore it is a long term Strategy of the West to curb China's influence in the Region. China has taken a balanced stand that both Pakistan and India may be inducted in NSG simaltaneously but I am sure that the West would not agree because they are eyeing to "roll back" Pakistan's hard earned Nuclear Technology. Only solution left for us is to convince China to VETO India's entry in worse case Scenario.It is strange that Sartaj Aziz did not call the Chinese Foreign Minister when he called others.

Thunderbolt Jun 09, 2016 03:13am

@Rafi Ka Deewana next India will take a seat on UN Security Council and tear Kashmir Resolutins, and for your further information Pakistan qualify better than India to join NSG but the West doesn't want it to enter.

Dr Sid Jun 09, 2016 03:50am

This is the time and there will be no next year!

Kabir Jun 09, 2016 04:20am

@Sunil Why is Pakistan worried, Why?

Irfan Jun 09, 2016 04:22am

@Umer No where is mentioned that signing NPT is requirement to join NSG. Check there website if you have any doubt. NPT is a good thing to show that you are serious about joining group but not a requirement.

JagaJatt Jun 09, 2016 04:41am

@lafanga My friend, China owns 1.27 trillion dollars worth of us treasuries, and they can sell them a anytime, US did not go to China and say buy our debt, no China bought US debt because they didnt think it safe enough to keep money in there currency so they bought us treasuries instead,

Jasmine Jun 09, 2016 04:43am

@Maxx "According to the Economist magazine, China's total debt has gone from 155 percent the size of its economy in 2008 to 260 percent by the end of 2015."

India's debt is about 65% of GDP.

There are lot of negative news about chinese economy.

Akil Akhtar Jun 09, 2016 04:45am

A new axis of world hegemony is taking place......

Ali Jun 09, 2016 04:52am

President Obama can support India's bid for NSG membership, but first "demand" that India signs Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT), as all other 48 states did? He should "not" bend rules for politics as it send the wrong message to the world.

India defied the world by developing nuclear-weapons, despite its assurances not to do so. If such duplicity is acceptable to Mr. Obama, then what moral authority does he have to stop Iran and North Korea from developing nuclear weapons?

Mr. Obama should avoid "double standards" in nuclear proliferation. The world expects that his visit to Hiroshima nuclear bomb site would have sobering affect, that he would call for making nuclear club membership tougher, not easier?

Mustafa R. Jun 09, 2016 05:13am

@INDIAN LOVE;

' India bid for getting membership growing stronger & stronger day by day.'

But that is not the point, the point is can India prevent Pakistan from becoming a member.

Purush Jun 09, 2016 05:15am

@Rafi Ka Deewana The right approach. Pakistan should concentrate on how it can make its case strong for entry into NSG rather than concentrating on what is happening with India. Pakistan has a lot of challenges to tackle towards that end. It is time they acknowledge those challenges to themselves and start to address them in right earnest.

RIZ Jun 09, 2016 05:23am

Just make yourself strong enough that they will come to you rather you going to them.

سے Shaam (Hanafi) Jun 09, 2016 05:27am

Sadly more efforts are put to use to keep non-npt members away,

RS Tirkie Jun 09, 2016 05:28am

@lafanga : USA derives its strength from US dollar, which is the most accepted legal tender in the world and USA can borrow in its own currency from the world market. China cannot, Japan cannot and Russia cannot. All 6 trillion dollar which US government owes to foreigners can be printed in three months and paid back.

China cannot raise debt interest as the debt was issued at a specific interest rate and China agreed to receive the rate. Us debts are fixed rate, not floating rate. China cannot do anything as they have sell goods to us.

RS Tirkie Jun 09, 2016 05:29am

@lafanga :When you buy Pakistan Govt's bond, who decide Interest rate? You or Govt of Pakistan?

avtar Jun 09, 2016 05:45am

@lafanga China holdss a lot of US debt.. There is an old adage that if you owe a bank some money you are in problem. And if you owe a bank a lot of money the bank has a problem. That is why when a corporation owes a lot of money to a bank, the banks have to set aside funds for non-performing loans and on many occasions they take pennies on a dollar. Do you really think China will attack the US? Why is Pakistan taking on too much debt? Pakistan knows it will not be attacked for indebtness. Besides, the US can print more money give it to China.

Tahirs Jun 09, 2016 05:51am

Both India and Pakistan should sign a no war pact and stop wasting resources on these lethal weapon.People on both side of the border do not know what havoc one atomic weapon can cause .Leaders of both nations should watch the movie " Dr.Strangelove" and learn a lesson from it. People of India and Pakistan cannot fight Malaria,dengue and gastroenteritis.They should spend the money on poverty reduction,development of natural resources,education,flood prevention and learn to live like twins born from the same womb

Shazad Jun 09, 2016 05:53am

@Jo: India is violating UN security council resolution on plebiscite in Kashmir. So, how can a country that is violating UN security council resolution, could become member of security council?

India should know that leaving a situation unresolved for long period does not make that situation disappear, rather becomes more dangerous over time. For instance, if Kashmir issue do not get resolved amicably (according to wishes of India, Pakistan and also Kashmiris) than eventual nuclear war is certain, and if that would happen, than all what India is achieving in economical front could evaporate in few days.

Actually, leaving Kashmir issue unresolved could become recipe of destruction all over subcontinent, that is becoming worse with time.

Shankar R Jun 09, 2016 05:57am

Even without the NSG memberships India has drawn up bilateral agreements with almost all the members. Membership to Missile Technology Control Regime was more significant. It gives us access to even more advanced technologies that India can use in its Anti-Ballistic missile program.

Ali Jun 09, 2016 06:13am

@Rafi Ka Deewana Did INDIA met the condition of NPT signing - NO, so why are you asking others to do something which yourself has not done

Rama Jun 09, 2016 06:28am

@Lafanga

India never supported anti-Myanmar activities in it soil , it was not happy with past rulers as it supported the anti-Indian insurgency in the India's north-east. We want stable working democracy in Nepal , communist in the Nepal are menace not only to the Nepal but to India's bordering district What happend in Srilanka was ethnic cleansing by the Singalaese majority . Don't be naive in commenting

Razak Jun 09, 2016 06:56am

@lafanga just wait and watch except china no one is opposing and its not veto power to stop the bidding, china can only express ots views and do a vague argument that if india gets pal should also get but except china who is supporting pak?? So our entry to NSG is fixed and next target is UN counsil.

Akil Akhtar Jun 09, 2016 07:28am

@LOLIndian If China does not like it then india can never get into NSG...so not sure where your confidence comes from.

Mian Amir Hakim Jun 09, 2016 07:33am

Indian admission to the NSG while ignoring Pakistan is actually the failure of our rulers. They were unable to read between the lines the growing relationship between the USA and India and did not move in time to muster up support for this purpose. Even now our advisor to the PM is making telephone calls to established Nations following the pattern of the USA where the US President himself contacts the foreign countries and his high ranking officials tour these countries to gather support. In such condition, frantic and aggressive campaigning was due. But this could be expected from selfless rulers. With such half hearted approach, Pakistan is not likely to win support for her stance.

Wtf Jun 09, 2016 07:34am

@Zak Quite probable, well said

ShameJuD Jun 09, 2016 07:36am

Instead of spreading negativity about India,Pakistan should try for its inclusion in NSG like Modi is doing for India. People like positivity.

satya7077 Jun 09, 2016 07:38am

@Ghaznavi if it was gunpoint voting bjp would have not got the most no of seats even if it was result of guns. opposition won't let them go away.

Abdul p Jun 09, 2016 07:42am

Pakistan has also applied for NSG membership. With China on our side, we have almost been admitted to the NSG. That is why no talk about Application submitted by Pakistan.

sajjad akbar Jun 09, 2016 07:52am

Khuddi ko ker buland itna...

Don't complain about Indian inclusion, rather make yourself so strong (economically) that you get priority and attention everywhere. Note: having breakfast with the US President is not an achievement (A message for Pakistan from a Pakistani).

Ajay Ladkani Jun 09, 2016 08:12am

Instead of blocking India's entry, Pakistan should enhance its image and capability so that get entry in this elite group of NSG.

citizen Jun 09, 2016 08:25am

@lafanga : India joining MTCR..Great China with 12 billion economy was disqualified in MTCR Hope our country will join MTCR soon...

Tuglaq Jun 09, 2016 08:25am

@Ghaznavi it is China's self interest. Nothing to do with Pakistani friendship. India is the only real threat to China in Asia.

Sanjeeb Bose Jun 09, 2016 08:27am

People are wrongly mixing NSG membership with the security concerns... NSG will help free business with the member states...

Kulbhushan Yadav Jun 09, 2016 08:36am

It seems Pakistan is more interested in blocking India's entry into NSG rather than working on it's own entry.

Candy Jun 09, 2016 09:02am

Well indin needs nsg membership for itself and world... India is third largest power producer and majority of power is currently being produced by coal .In future it will be 2nd largest producer behind china. Its will be good for world if india produces more of clean energy through nuclear means.

Kryptonite Jun 09, 2016 09:12am

“Pakistan has the expertise, manpower, infrastructure and the ability to supply NSG controlled items, goods and services for a full range of nuclear applications for peaceful uses,” said Tasnim Aslam, head of the UN desk at the Foreign Office.

Well how good is Pakistan's non-proliferation record? AQ Khan, Libya, Iran, North Korea, China - So quite bad I guess.

point of view Jun 09, 2016 09:57am

@Omar, Lets see who will listen your arguments in a couple of days.

Hahahaha Jun 09, 2016 10:03am

@lafanga Thus spoke the person with no understanding of economics or finance. China would own fixed income instruments worth that much. China has no power to change interest rates.. Interest rates are dictated by new bond issues and resulting interest rate curve.

RJM Jun 09, 2016 10:06am

Days of hyphenating Pakistan with India are long past, now because of its own action Pakistan is being hyphenated with Afghanistan. So the world no longer puts India and Pakistan on the same platform. Pakistan's policy makers must wake up to this fact and formulate policies accordingly.

Sid Jun 09, 2016 10:15am

Within a year, India will be be NSG member and chabahar port will be active. And Pakistan will not be member of NSG nor Gwadar will progress any further. Let's see in a years time if this what I said is proven wrong.

AKKS Jun 09, 2016 10:20am

@Omar , "The US would be foolish to do such a thing and the world needs to make sure that such a thing does not happen."

The US, Russia, UK, Japan, Switzerland and other world countries support India's application to enter NSG! China too will ultimately support!

Amol Choudhary Jun 09, 2016 10:20am

@RAK Poor fellow. Obama is supporting India for NSG. Who cares what NYT writes. They can scribble anything. They r free to do that.

INDIAN Jun 09, 2016 10:25am

@Ghaznavi Who said only few hundreds protest in Kashmir. Have you heard on any protests in Jammu aur Ladhak which also part of that province. There are more protests and look at the number of mass graveyard found in Balochistan you don't have any rights to point fingers to India.we don't use Fighter plains or Tanks against Kashmiris as you do Balochistan and in other provinces

PB Jun 09, 2016 10:32am

@RAK Does NNYT has voting power in NSG :P

Praphul Jun 09, 2016 10:33am

There is no stopping India to attain NSG & UNGC berth.

INDIAN Jun 09, 2016 10:42am

Even if India could not become a Nsg member We can directly deal with countries individually like we are doing it with US .its about uranium and technology which we are already getting

diwakar Jun 09, 2016 11:20am

@Ghaznavi .What about Baluchistan?

RogerRane Jun 09, 2016 12:07pm

@Umer A lose finds everything unfair in his world!

Valiya Jun 09, 2016 02:01pm

Instead of blocking India,s entry Pak should try to enter through proper way.

Praveen Kapoor Jun 09, 2016 02:55pm

@lafanga rate of debt is pre decided it can't change now.These trillions have been from USA only.USA is the biggest importer of Chinese goods,my dear friend.Check the statisitcs on google.The day US imposes curbs on Chinese goods,China will have no ground to stand on and crumble like anything

Indrajit Mahurkar Jun 09, 2016 02:57pm

Why is Pak so much dependent on China.... they should create their own industries and become self reliant & gain self respect..

Clive Clements Jun 09, 2016 03:12pm

This has nothing to do about capability. It is a matter of trust.

An Indian Jun 09, 2016 03:14pm

@Umer :-) Fair, what's that!!! For many years you guys have not been fair. It is our turn now.

Rabia Jun 09, 2016 03:50pm

Interestingly, global efforts to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons have been marred with powerful diplomatic relations that one have internationally. The establishment of NSG was to confine specifically the diversion of civilian nuclear material to be used for military purposes keeping in mind the CANDU reactor story. But now the body is set to craft an exemption out of the box disregarding the regime in its true latter and spirit.

Indian Jun 09, 2016 11:38pm

China won't be able to stop India for long.... Watch out world the Indians are coming.. And we rock...

abhu Jun 10, 2016 07:54am

@Umer dear umer their is no such condition that the country should have signed. NPT . ...... even you can Google this.

Nabarun Dey Jun 10, 2016 12:55pm

India would soon take up role as most reliable and effective arbitrator of power equation among the world powers.

no rrr Jun 11, 2016 12:05am

@Lafanga but india has sign civil nuclear treaty with us and commited for no first attack. apart from that india is having a clear image of not sharing nuclear technology illigally.