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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan termed India's decision to call off foreign secretary level talks a setback to efforts by the Pakistani leadership to promote "good, neighbourly relations" with India.
India on Monday called off foreign secretary-level bilateral talks with Pakistan following criticism of Pakistani High Commissioner Abdul Basit meeting with Hurriyat leader Shabir Shah.
The reaction came from Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam, who said, "Our High Commissioner in India has been informed by the Ministry of External Affairs that the Government of India — taking exception to the High Commissioner’s meetings with Kashmiri leaders — has decided to call off the foreign secretary level talks scheduled for August 25, 2014 in Islamabad."
Rejecting India's reservation to Pakistani envoys meeting with Kashmiri leaders, she said it is a longstanding practice that, prior to Pakistan-India talks, meetings with Kashmiri leaders are held to facilitate meaningful discussions on the issue of Kashmir.
The spokesperson said the prime minister of Pakistan has clearly articulated the vision of peace for development and it was in this spirit that he accepted the invitation of the Indian prime minister to attend his inaugural ceremony.
The spokesperson said the meeting between the two Foreign Secretaries was scheduled at the directive of the two Prime Minister.
Sources said the Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) has conveyed the decision to the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi, and said that it will not send Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh to Islamabad for talks scheduled for August 25. No official reason was given by MOFA.
According to the Times of India website, the decision comes after Abdul Basit met with Kashmiri Hurriyat leader Shabir Shah.
News agencies quoted the Indian External Affairs as saying, "Pakistan High Commissioner's meeting with the 'so-called' separatist leaders undermines the constructive diplomatic engagement initiated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on his very first day in office."
"At a time when serious initiatives have been taken by the government of India, the invitation to Hurriyat leaders raises question on Pakistan's intention. Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh's visit to Pakistan on August 25 stands cancelled," the ministry's spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said.
Congress had hit out at the centre for allowing the envoy to meet the Hurriyat leader.
Basit has reportedly also invited Hurriyat leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq to meet on Tuesday (tomorrow).
The Congress had accused the government of doublespeak, questioning why the talks had not been called off and warned that it could be a "major security risk in the days to come". The BJP had maintained it had taken the decision after much thought but has welcomed MOFA's decision to cancel talks on Monday (today).
Earlier speaking to Dawn, a senior Pakistani diplomat had said Pakistan attaches immense importance to the meeting of the foreign secretaries.
“The meeting is fundamental to the future engagement. It would set the trajectory,” the diplomat said last month.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:31pm
We, Pakistani are so gullible , very so often, India throws a bait and we grab it. Without inclusion of Kashmiri leadership, all talks are meaningless & futile. All these talk offers by India are cosmetic just to attract world's opinion that Modi is a peace loving, in reality he is a Hindutva practitioner who would never seriously pursue peace in Kashmir.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:32pm
Pak should understand that it is not MMS and Sonia's Congress . It's Modi gov .
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Aug 18, 2014 06:34pm
Lets accept the reality that we are enemies forever. "Aman ki asha" and "pyar ki bhaasha" don't suit your profile.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:35pm
By the way what was the need and importance of meeting Hurriyat leader at this juncture? Can anyone explain?
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Aug 18, 2014 06:35pm
Main reason to cancel this meeting is "Violation of ceasefire".
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Aug 18, 2014 06:39pm
Go ahead and call it off all you want. Meeting with Kashmiri leaders isn't against any law I'm aware of.
Indian occupied Kashmir is going to become an independent country whether you like it or not and it will all stem from the 2020 Sikh Referendum which Sikhs For Justice is trying to get done with political backing from the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom. An independent "Khalistan" (Indian Punjab, Himanchal, Harayana) will completely cut India off from Kashmir...and Kashmir will automatically become an independent country (or join Pakistan if they wish).
Keep digging you heads in the sand India, nobody cares. There's a reason why people in Nagaland, Assam, Tripura and Arunachal are massing together into one "army"...you can blame the ISI all you want.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:39pm
Chalo, that farce is off.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:40pm
thr is a limit to stupidity!! What were u thinking pak??
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Aug 18, 2014 06:43pm
Pakistan must make a choice. They can either engage with the government of India or the separatists. Both cannot happen side by side.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:44pm
I am curious. What is the role of an envoy?
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Aug 18, 2014 06:44pm
Where is the need for Foreign Secretaries to meet when your ambassador has met with the "real" stakeholders and the ones who call the shots in Kashmir?
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Aug 18, 2014 06:51pm
Who cares even if they called off planned discussions.Discussions have proven useless before so nothing new shold be expected.Indians are compelled to follwo their DNA makeup when it comes to Pakistan.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:57pm
This approach by India to Pakistan's such childish activities was long overdue. Now let the Pakistanis and Kashmiri Muslim separatists hug each other and solve Kashmir problem. I fully support decision to call off the talks even though it is unfortunate.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:58pm
We will continue to meet our Kashmiri brethren under Indian occupation. If this means scrapping unfruitful talks then so be it. This is just the start, Modi government won votes on being anti-Pakistan after all.
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Aug 18, 2014 06:58pm
India will never talk, it has no ground to stand on let alone talk when it comes to kashmir issue.
pakistan should give india 24 hours notice to vacate the occupied lands and then go full force. IMHO.
thanks.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:01pm
Yet another act of arrogance and aggression from India!
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Aug 18, 2014 07:02pm
Gift from modi to nawaz. Now play this card wisely to save your govt. We will talk later
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Aug 18, 2014 07:05pm
Sabotaged before it could happen....lesson for Pakistan on how to conduct diplomacy
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Aug 18, 2014 07:08pm
At a time when serious initiatives have been taken by the government of India, the invitation to Hurriyat leaders raises question on Pakistan's intention.
Completely agree
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Aug 18, 2014 07:08pm
Typical of India-Pakistan diplomacy - one step forward, two steps backward.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:11pm
As expected, I don't understand the Pakistani viewpoint here. If smaller issues first and bigger later than why to make hupla in the public by calling those separatists. Is just an intimidation policy or they really want solve issues one by one. Unfortunate event at unfortunate time.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:15pm
This is a clear setback to Pakistan. We need to change our tactics now.
Old tactics of engaging with Hurriyat should be abandoned and only direct negotiations should be done with Indian Govt.
Because Kashmir is not the only problem. Water and trade along with Siachin, Sir Creek are major issues that will directly benefit us.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:15pm
Basit's approach lacks common sense
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Aug 18, 2014 07:18pm
no need to talk with pakistan
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Aug 18, 2014 07:23pm
Good news-India must learn the fact that Pakistan will respect and value the opinion of Kashmirs and will not treat them like occupied third class people. Well done FO stick to your principles. We don't need India but we need Kashmirs our brothers and sisters
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Aug 18, 2014 07:24pm
Who cares? Pakistan will do what needs to be done.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:24pm
Unfortunate. Both nations need to find a common middle ground to start talking. Extreme positions and actions(action and reaction) from both sides would lead them nowhere. This is common sense.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:26pm
What else could they do under Modi?
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Aug 18, 2014 07:27pm
Pakistan acted like a school kid. As per the news report from Indian sites, the Ambassador was told "talk to them or to us (can't be both)". But the wise man went ahead and spoke to Hurriyat regardless. It was only after this meeting was done, that the Govt of India said "talks are off".
The decision makers of Pakistan have learnt nothing. They think they can keep exploiting & en-cashing the emotional side of the problem for eternity. If he really had to talk, he could have done so in Islamabad instead of India.
Time for emotions is over. It is time for intent and attitude. Pakistan has let slip a most wonderful opportunity to build confidence. Modi is no jelly bean like Dr.Singh was,
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Aug 18, 2014 07:31pm
Can you leave the Kashmiris alone, you have destroyed a whole generation.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:34pm
if they want to talk basit can always pick up a safe phone and talk to mirwaiz. talking over tea is a tearful.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:39pm
Pakistan has jumped the gun again which is indeed unfortunate as Modi was sincerely pursuing for meaningful talks to solve all problems between the two countries. It so appears that someone is working overtime in Pakistan to ensure that two countries do not engage in talks as there has been continuous firing on 20 BSF posts during Modi's visit to KARGIL which continued for several days but India chose to ignore it but Basit's meeting APHC leaders was the last straw for cancelling talks.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:39pm
@Waseem Because Kashmir is the only issue between these two different nations nothing else. And the views of the Kashmiri's are valued and respected because it is their lives and the future of their nation.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:40pm
I don't know why pakistani establishment trying to do same experiment again and again and expecting different result? It is appearing that the black glass in on the eyes. Sharif lost a good opportunity to show the others that he is not under pressure, but.............All the best.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:43pm
@sandip what serious actions-Kashmir's still die in their thousands with mass graves found regularly.Learn to be truthful to yourself rather than spew out lies.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:43pm
@mimi sur So what-Kashmir is under UN resolutions and Kashmiri's still suffer.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:45pm
@Elyas To determine that, one has to talk to Kashmirs.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:48pm
When Nawaz Sharif himself avoided meeting Hurriyat leaders while he was in India for Modi's inaguration ceremony, what made Mr.Basit call for such a meeting ? Being an amabassador from Pakistan, Mr.Basit should work towards the best interests of Pakistan and it is in the best interest of Pakistan to have good relationship with India. Clearly, Mr.Basit acted as per "instructions given to scuttle the peace". What couldn't be achieved due to multiple cease fire violations was achieved with a single meeting.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:57pm
I & like me many were not in favour of talks with India because it is too early to read the hidden plans of the current ruling party. It is bad habit for Pakistani leaders to grab any opportunity for peace talks with India. In the heart Modi is & will always remain enemy of any peace efforts between the two countries.Like any grandmother Pakistan is always willing to throw smile at india by forgetting the previous insult. I think all direct peace efforts should be frozen indefinitely.
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Aug 18, 2014 07:59pm
Pak high commissioner is trying tricks at a very wrong time -especially when India has strong leadership backed by stable govt departments. Secondly, NWS is vulernable at helm of Pakistan. Apt reaction byIndia to an immature move by Pak commissioner
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Aug 18, 2014 08:01pm
What else do you expect from an government office whose abbreviation is MOFA!
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Aug 18, 2014 08:03pm
@AKNasser
Can someone explain to me what Pakistan would do even if all of Kashmir were delivered to it on a silver platter? The country has so many internal challenges that harmonizing Kashmir in the current mess is a practical problem for Pakistan. Besides, what would Kashmir gain in this association with Pakistan?
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Aug 18, 2014 08:04pm
SMH from Indians on this post. Like we give a damn about your leader and his talks with ours.
You have been violating ceasefire treaties since the day they were signed and still have the audacity to blame Pakistan for it over and over again.
You also have the audacity to pressure Kashmir into Indian occupied land and never hold referendums which were designated by the UN, not Pakistan.
And then you call us belligerents? Your govt. is Anti-Muslim, we all know that. At least I have no hard feelings against any Indian civilian as your nation has the largest number of population below the poverty line, even when Pakistan is included in such a list. It's narcissists like some of the Indians here who eventually evolve into a govt body for India and then share their personal opinions instead of the opinions of the whole nation. We have our own laws and matters to conduct to. A MOFA delegation is the least of what we care about. No reaction to this comment by the Pakistani Ministry of foreign affairs can tell you exactly how much importance this so called delegation had.
You can brawl all over Pakistanis right now and give the I-told-you-so speeches but at the end of day, we both know no special treaty was coming out of it. It's a luring tactic and Pakistanis who whine about us being reliant on them for water and so on. We have somehow survived all this years, we'll continue to survive one way or the other.
As for Kashmiris, they're our brothers and sisters and we'll make damn sure they either get independent or join Pakistan. There's a reason why Hurriyat leaders cooperate with Pakistanis and not Indians - They want to get out of India!
Stop being ignorant and get to your own matters. Get your territory from China, fulfill your population's basic needs, rid yourself of corruption and then come barging in on Pakistan.
Good day!
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Aug 18, 2014 08:24pm
A few people are against peace, a lot more both sides wants peace.
But the problem is everyone feels defending each others nation makes them more patriotic. When 2 people from two families everyone getting involved only makes the fight bigger. Government and Armies want to fight let them. People can still be together and talk to each other. Call up each other, do Google hangouts and solve other problems.
Kashmir is so important that both area ready to kill each other for it. But the fact is there is something more important than Kashmir and i.e human life..think about it....may be you have a good side and that needs to come out more often in such discussion...this is for Indians and Pakistani...in fact for humans who respect humanity over any other nationality
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Aug 18, 2014 08:26pm
@Pakistan Just wait & watch how your foreign policy will change in next 5 years if the current Paki Govt survived its term.
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Aug 18, 2014 08:34pm
It's time to put checks on water-flows to Pakistan. Indians are suffering water-shortage and we are wasting water on our eternal enemies. We Indians behave in most pathetic way regarding our enemies. It's time that no more mirage of having friendly relations with Pakistan is shelved. Indians should learn to take care of their nation needs first before giving unnecessary concessions to enemies.
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Aug 18, 2014 09:25pm
peace process has to be fulfilled from both sides. not just only one.
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Aug 18, 2014 10:06pm
Good riddance.
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Aug 18, 2014 10:59pm
Just wondering, what is most important to Pakistan, Indian Kashmir or
1) Pakistan economy
2) Terrorism in Pakistan
3) Social welfare of Pakistani people
4) Medical facilities
5) Peace in Balochistan
6) Water and power
I will appreciate readers input
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Aug 18, 2014 11:39pm
This slogan 'Aman ki Asha ' is a deceitful ploy used by secular , pseudo intellectuals on both sides of the border. It is an excuse to get together to wine & dine. No country has given up a territory without armed struggle by occupied people. Kashmiris know it more than any one else. They have oppressed, suppressed by 1/2 million Indian army of occupation for the last 66 years. Pakistan better call off these useless dialogues and whatever it takes , actively support Kashmiris.
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Aug 18, 2014 11:49pm
I love both the countries and wish that this animosity is over. I think its wrong that India cancelled the talks with Pakistan and its wrong that Pakistan government spoke to separatists. We both need to have patience to work with each and not work through a third channel. If Pakistan and India are on common ground, the Kashmiri separatists will have to accept the will of both the countries. Its for better good that both countries stop interacting with separatists across the border and respect the LOC and the governments on either side.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:27am
Pakistan not able to protect their own people ib their own soil..how they protect Kashmiries now?
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Aug 19, 2014 01:28am
@Gaurav Arya
Is n't it obvious that separatists don't want to live with India ? Pakistan wants their input in this dialogue, may be there is middle ground.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:51am
I think a phone call to huriyat leaders a skype chat maybe would have served the purpose ? why meet in this day and age...
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Aug 19, 2014 02:07am
@Anwar Hayat
Do you remember what happened to your East Pakistan in 1971 ??!!
Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it....this
seems to be the tragic fate of Pakistan and Pakistanis !
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Aug 19, 2014 02:10am
I am an Indian and I love both countries. Afterall, we were one country! Kashmir issue has now morphed into something big and both sides have legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. Most of the comments on this article make me sad. Apparently learned people can throw all compassion, all logic out of the windows and say stupid stuff like, "we should attack India", "We will free our brothers and sisters". It's exactly this kind of sentiment that politicians on both sides have been exploiting from a very long time. I honestly believe the Modi government wanted to pursue peace talks. Indian government clearly told Pakistan FS that Pak will have to choose between dealing with the Indian government or with the separatists. If the FS decides to meet the Hurriyat leaders even after such a clear public statement, India is left with no option but to withdraw from the talks. I honestly believe it was unfortunately provocative of Pakistan to meet with the Hurriyat in such a public way. We HAVE to get over this and somehow find common ground for peace. Effort is needed from both sides.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:25am
Establishing peace is a MUST between india and Pakistan. We should be sincere in our efforts and make sure not a single bullet is fire from our side and no mischief is caused from our side covert or overt. We must make our country strong first though because begging the IMF for money and taking dictates from them and enslaving our own people in process must come to an end. All of these things are possible we STOP being fooled by the corrupt politicians an generals and elect honest people to lead us.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:31am
OK So talks cancelled. I hope Modi has strategy on how to move forward. It can engagement, disengagement, war or whatever-- the end result is it should be better for India by objective measures (not emotional reasons) than the current situation.
Most likely Modi will realize at some point Pakistan is still there next to India and nothing has changed. Both leaderships and most people from both countries are prone to childish tantrums and silly emotional outbursts. Both deserve each other.
Both countries have so many social issues that they need to focus on rather than getting enraged about arbitrary constructs such as nation and patriotism.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:33am
I dont think Pak and India has much to speak apart from Kashmir...
Trade can be done with China... or perhaps Shahbaz wont be able to invest in Ambanis new JV steel unit...
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Aug 19, 2014 02:57am
Very simple, India sending clear signal that double talk by Pakistan wouldn't work any more.
New Indian govt is showing its tough side, I wouldn't be surprised next time if they catch Militants who are Pakistani citizens, India will make a big situation out of it.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:21am
There must be some cordial relations and a positive environment before you start bringing other stakeholders. You don't show your aces right at the front.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:43am
Pakistan opted separation from India hence a real separatist. If India can talk to Pakistan why Pakistan and India can not talk to Kashmiri Hurriayat leaders who are as yet not separatist.
In the past India allowed Hurriat leaders to visit Pakistan and meet political figures. India is following Israel policy.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:49am
Unfortunately it is pakistan that will lose out again. India is on a strong trajectory and we unfortunately are going the other way.
We have played the Kashmir card too long and lost everytime.
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Aug 19, 2014 05:07am
Good decision and I fully support it. What is there for India in talks ?
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Aug 19, 2014 05:20am
Unfortunate and unwise.
It should be of no significanc to India with whom Pakistan talks.
India should neither fear to talk nor talk out of fear.
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Aug 19, 2014 05:21am
What would be Pakistan's reaction is Indian envoy met Balochi separatists while enjoying hospitality of Pakistani government ? Just saying ...
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Aug 19, 2014 07:06am
@Anwar Hayat Nice joke man
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nice dream with open eyes keep it up ..
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Aug 19, 2014 07:42am
As if all of you in this forum have any say in what the leadership of the 2 countries should/will do, as if the populace was consulted in this or any matter before, as if any of this nonsense here will change any thing. It is nothing more to divert attention and good business for media. lol
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Aug 19, 2014 08:03am
Tragic part is both Nawaz Sharif and Modi were keen on a fresh start. The continuous firings at the border didn't help in taking the peace initiative forward . Pakistan and India could have started the talks without involving the separatists for now but it didn't happen.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:04am
Good decision from India. This was bound to happen at some point of time. Just that it came a little too early.
@Anwar Hayat: If Kashmir or any other Indian provinces had to be free that would have already happened in the last 68 years. Especially in the previous wars (65, 98) the western powers were closer to you. It didnt happen then and it will never ahppen in the future. Anyway's keep dreaming. I am sure we would be typing the same comments a century from now. You can either focus inwards and work towards your country's economic progress, poverty eradication and health care. Or else, you can keep harping on the thought of when we would go to war. The consequences for a full scaled armed conflict is unthinkable for for countries. Think about it.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:37am
Meeting with Hurriyat leaders was unnecessary. If their input was needed, it could have been obtained by other means. However, Indian reaction was unnecessarily extreme. India should have expressed its anger during the meeting instead of canceling it.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:53am
Pakistan is a nation, India is a nation. who is Shabbir or Gilaani? Why call it a
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Aug 19, 2014 08:56am
It's all about cease fire Pakistan has been violating loc 200 times since may if Pakistan can't stop the violence so talks will b waste less but India shouldn't cancel the meeting they should meet nd talk about trade nd terrorism nawAZ is just playing politics bcoz of anti govt protest is happening nd I think so martial law is coming
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Aug 19, 2014 08:56am
It's all about cease fire Pakistan has been violating loc 200 times since may if Pakistan can't stop the violence so talks will b waste less but India shouldn't cancel the meeting they should meet nd talk about trade nd terrorism nawAZ is just playing politics bcoz of anti govt protest is happening nd I think so martial law is coming
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Aug 19, 2014 09:10am
@thashay Please lead the charge :-).
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Aug 19, 2014 09:15am
Dear Pakistani brothers n sisters.. It's high time.. We must leave these issues n concentrate on core issues n challenges ahead of us. World is moving ahead very fast. Both the countries have gud opportunities to help each other develop. The seeds of hatred have been sown by the British and we don't evn realise tht whose our enemy. They r still enjoying the fruits out of our standoff. Selling arms and weapons. We r spend billions of dollars on these arms. Imagine this money being poured to boost our economies. It's time for a serious realisation. God bless India n Pakistan.
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Aug 19, 2014 09:24am
@zak let's see who holds the future.
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Aug 19, 2014 09:51am
@Ahmed Ijaz . well said man . wish every paskitani has similar opinion.
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Aug 19, 2014 10:09am
@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad..Dr. Shahab this is not the fault of Narendra Modi. When Nawaz visited India on oath ceremony, he did not go to meet any hurriyat leader. Now Pakistani Ambassador is meeting with separatist. what a contradiction???But this is not the fault of Pak Govt..because the noose of court has been tighten to Nawaz over a allegation of murder also Imran Khans Azadi March has become the challenge for Nawaz Govt. So this was the only simple step (to meet with Kashmiri separatist before the foreign secy level talks) for PMLN to keep themselves in Government. And now they are again raising the Kashmir issue to earn the political support in public, while they know very well that Narendra Modi has already been taken the positive steps to resolve the issue and Foreign level secy talks was the first step...Pakistan again missed the grab this opportunity..
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Aug 19, 2014 10:14am
@Anwar Hayat Pipe dreams!!!
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Aug 19, 2014 10:19am
@AKNasser "and whatever it takes , actively support Kashmiris" ... Pakistan did just that over the past years. They cultivated a pseudo-army wishing that that pseudo-army will do the deeds that Pakistani army cannot officially do (at least overtly). The results are laid bare for the entire world to see (even you can see them if you really wish to). A country that is shunned by the rest of the world, whose citizenry are viewed with suspicion in every corner of the world, the same pseudo-army is now battling your own regular army in your own backyard. What more evidence do you need to see the fallacy of your approach over the past half-century? I agree that India is the most poverty ridden country, the most corrupt country etc., but let me tell you something. Things have changed and are changing over the past 2 decades in India. People are more interested in growing economically than rave madly about Pakistan. Our passions may be ignited during a rare Indo-Pak cricket match but for the most part India and Indians are moving along and trying to forget Pakistan. It rarely even comes into discussion among me and my friends. I think India finally realized we have better things to do and bigger fish to fry. Pakistan should do the same.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:12am
just imagine if india starts such talks with the separatists in balochistan and also the taliban... hahah
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Aug 19, 2014 11:12am
I guess Indian high commissioner in Pakistan should meet Baloch sepraratist.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:13am
@Anwar Hayat
Khalistan is a pipe dream no Sikh in India ever wants khalistan excepting few crazies and India has enough diplomatic coercive force on all major countries including US . US needs us as much as we need US. UK doesn't have the cojones to say anything to us. NE frontier areas is much more calm than usual, over 11000 militants have surrendered and have been politically rehabilitated in the last decade rest will assimilate or else we have 300000 police and paramilitary in NE use ur imagination. As far as kashmir is concerned we will chemically liquidate the valley with various heavy metals and compounds of cyanide making it inhospitable for living organisms to live in that God forsaken land for next 100000 yrs then give an inch of land to you keep on dreaming.
p s Narendra Modi is addressing the Joint session of US congress he is the fifth leader from India to do so more than even
Israel only Great Britain has more leaders addressing US congress than our leaders , when was the last time any pakistani leader addressed both houses of congress ? yes it was Benazir Bhutto in 1989. That is how much US needs us for its ASIAN PIVOT .
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Aug 19, 2014 11:21am
Pakistan governments is extremely weak government, has no power - pseudo government. Main power is in hand of army. Army does not want any good relation with India and pretend and cast fear of war to poor Pakistani and the world too. Due to this army getting sympathy and money from Arabs and Western world (USA). If there is no enmity with India then why Pakistan needs army who will give them money and left with a big identity crisis too - then, what is the identity of Pakistan without India? This game will not last long. I wish if Pakistan could understand the Army game plan - they are enjoying all resources of Pakistan without doing anything.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:33am
@Anwar Hayat Dear Anwar you've lost Bangladesh, now Baluchistan is on the cards and may be Sindh later. Look inward, its all your own doing. You've become a laughing stock for the world and still you continue to line in a dream castle. Wake up??
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Aug 19, 2014 11:40am
@thashay All the best - do it if you can !!
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Aug 19, 2014 11:51am
@Pakistan When will you stop depending on food allowances from USA ???
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Aug 19, 2014 11:54am
@Munna , Also Mr. Narendrabhai Modi should not target Nobel Peace Prize.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:54am
@zak sorry dear friend we all love kashmiris and want them to join the main stream. It is unfortunate that due to some people they are mis-guided. PAKISTAN is facing internal problem and to distract people they have come with this issue
. Nice way to get away from internal problem and to get engaged with india to get people's support.
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Aug 19, 2014 12:03pm
@Krezy There is one more piont i.e. begging India to play cricket.
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Aug 19, 2014 12:26pm
@thashay waiting for it come immediately
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Aug 19, 2014 12:28pm
@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad have another war, perhaps, shall we, for the fith time?
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Aug 19, 2014 01:20pm
@Dinesh .....To listen to what Pak Army Chief tells him and sabotage talks between the countries.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:56pm
@The Pakistan Lover We can be great partners and improve trade and economy if we let go the hatred and fanatics from both sides. Our nations have to fight our common enemy thats poverty and to work on growth not fight with each other.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:57pm
@Anwar Hayat Wow its worth for a new SCIFI movie dude..work on it..you ll be rewarded for the best fiction movie of the year...
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Aug 19, 2014 01:59pm
@AKNasser If the separatist do not want to live in India, they should go where they want to live. Thinking that they will take the land and force rest of the people in Pakistan and face what Pakistan has to offer is a pipe dream...
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Aug 19, 2014 02:11pm
@Masoud
Yeah your wish will be fullfilled for another 10 years. There will not be any more talks on KASHMIR. This is MODI's government and we like that. PAKISTAN will get habited to forget about KASHMIR slowly.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:13pm
@VC
they want everything. would you like to give?
But sadly they won't get anything.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:25pm
@diwakar
And luckily now, Cricket playing with PAKISTAN also stops. They dreamed of getting millions of rupees from those matches. Two Birds for one Shot from Modi. Good step.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:37pm
@Anwar Hayat : Anwar sahib great to know that the problem which was not solved for the past 67 years will be solved in next 5 years.with the decimation of neighbour....You are the reincornation of Nostradamus....
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Aug 19, 2014 02:40pm
PM Modi was expected to try hardest possibility first, that is peace with Pakistan. Now after so many ceasefire violations and double speak by Pakistan that possibility is gone. Now Modi will not talk about peace throughout his term.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:05pm
@thashay Looks you do not live in Pakistan and do not love nation Pakistan and your people (If you are Pakistani). You may be living in US, UK or any other western country-am I write?
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Aug 19, 2014 03:14pm
@thashay - lol.. that was a good one.. 24 hours notice and then go full force like you did in 1947, 1971 and 1999... go on you :)
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Aug 19, 2014 03:40pm
Who ever bashing India here, please tell me what will be your reaction when Indian high commissioner in Pakistan Invites and Meets Baloch leaders or separatist.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:50pm
@Pakistan Please give the freedom to baloch people first :)
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Aug 19, 2014 04:10pm
@Anwar Hayat lol keep dreaming
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Aug 19, 2014 04:20pm
@zahid maqsood ,Well said.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:47pm
By walking away from talks India has ensure status-quo will continue. whether sir creek, water treaty or Kashmir status-quo helps India. Any step forward helps Pak. A guy who doesn't understand this is our High Commissioner to India - Mr.Basit.
The sequence should be read as follows: 1. India wanted to call off talks 2. It made issue of scheduled meeting 3. Our folks walked into the trap 4. Talks called off 5. We are in square A.
Well done Pakistan..!!
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Aug 19, 2014 08:35pm
@Arun no need for India . We have other things to achieve
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Aug 19, 2014 09:35pm
@Animesh Kumar SIngh Sardar ji, Balochistan is not disputed between India, Pakistan or UN. Kashmir is.
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Aug 19, 2014 09:38pm
Guys don't tempers! These kind of things happens before we know that, and we will again talk, because who ever come to power in both countries by what so ever majority will sooner or later know and understand WITHOUT TALK AND THAT'S TOO WITH RHETORIC is only solution. At last i expect we all are ordinary people and govt will under our aspiration for peace and growth. Take it easy :-)
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Aug 19, 2014 10:45pm
Sidelining other major issues and points like trade, water, peace, border was meeting with Hurriyat was so on high priority list my PAK? Very wrong way to doing diplomacy by PAK, when they have invited to talk bilateral points they should have stick to that. They could have met the Huriyats at the end of all meetings with Indian leadership, but just to tease Modi Govt, they purposely played this trick. This shows PAK leadership is not at all interested in well being of PAK citizen and peace initiatives.
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Aug 19, 2014 10:59pm
@NORI Your analysis is perfect one. At this point India and Pakistan should build trust between themselves and once they are in position they should talked on Kashmir. But unfortunetly the military cluches are still strong in Pakistan.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:33pm
well...give us one good reason why India should host pakistani foreign secretary at all , if he is more interested in meeting
separatists ? India isnt really obliged to carry on dialogue process with pakistan until they are ready, right ?
As for meeting the separatists , your foreign secretary can meet them anywhere in this big world. But when you come for talks
make a clear choice what are you looking for.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:39pm
@Someone who loves both countries Sorry, but it is not for Pakistan or India to decide the fate and future of Kashmiri's but the Kashmiri's themselves. Indian attitude is most dictatorial and not democratic. Time to for all Indians to introspect truthfully.
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Aug 20, 2014 02:34am
Is Pakistan serious about managing/resolving Kashmir and other issues with India ? It seems child like when the Pak Ambassador to India was advised not to speak with the separatist leaders before the Secretary level talks, he went ahead and met with them anyway. And then Pakistan's Foreign Office invoked the sovereign rights of Pakistan, meaning they will meet with any one they want to and whenever they want to. Is this a diplomatic roadmap or a grudge conversation between two high school kids ?
Modi is a decisive leader: he will either resolve the issues or throw them out from his "to do" list. The events of the last week indicates that Pakistan wants to keep the pot boiling to meet its internal agenda rather than serve its people. Its a shame.
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Aug 20, 2014 06:12am
Modi is flexing his wings and trying to copy Israel.
He has gotten a taste of power, let's see what is next.
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Aug 20, 2014 06:33am
I believe this is the right Decision for Both the Pakistan & India.
The talks at this juncture with Pakistan will yield little or no result considering the Political Situation in Pakistan. The Pak Government would have had their hands tied on many issues even on Non-sensitive issues to arrive at a mutual agreement. A stable political Environment is key for these talks to be effective.
Seeing what is happening in Pakistan, I am getting a feeling that the either Martial Law / Presidential rule will come into picture. If this is the case, it is all the more justified to have called off the talks.
Anyways I hope that the political scenario eases so that the talks could continue and issues can be resolved peacefully.
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Aug 20, 2014 10:15am
@zak do you know that Kashmiri Pandits used to live there.what happened to them,why did they leave the valley ?where are they now ?
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Aug 20, 2014 10:47am
@Pakistan Indian people no longer think about Pakistan. So all the parties know it well that they can not win playing Pakistani card. For Indian politics, resolved or unresolved pakistan issue is same. Why would they make effort ( like cease fire violation etc ) to keep it alive. Indian's increasing defense budget is not for Pakistan. Even if Pakistan vanished from the map, Indian Army will always be given importance. Indian Army knows it. But this is not the case with Pakistani Army and ISI. Pakistani Army and ISI will suffer more if the issue gets resolved. and they are the reason why the peace talk is not progressing.
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Aug 20, 2014 10:57am
@Anwar Hayat : Join Pakistan? Are you in your senses? Who in the world would want to join a failed state?
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Aug 20, 2014 11:10am
Let Narendra Modi meet pakistani separatists of Waziristan, Balochistan, Pashtun, Balawaristan etc before any talk with Pakistan. Then only Pakistanis will realize why the talks were called off. Pakistan loves to live with double standards.
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Aug 20, 2014 12:45pm
For the fact Pakistan spoken to Hurriyat leader, they are not kashmiri leaders. But these people are "so-called" separatist who mainly funded by pakistan and pakistan use them to provoke instability and insurgence in Kashmir for example, kashmir stone pelting in 2010. They refused to talk to India Government when interlocutor asked for the talk to maintain law and order in 2010. There is a elected government in J & K. . If pakistan want to talk with stalk holders of state, go and talk to the chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir. He is the one responsible for J & K people... Delhi had drawn red line before the dialogue not to talk to separatist ... If Pakistan don't believe in Indian election and democracy then there is no use in talking to Pakistan. Modi is stable and strong PM of India, he having strong agenda for Kashmir and also for India. He has visited twice kashmir in last two month. His policy is not same like Vajpayee or Singh. So stop blame game and victim card with India.
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Aug 20, 2014 12:48pm
@Anwar Hayat there is no question of anymore divisions . many of hidus today are not like peace loving older ones . we are ready to do another holocaust if needed. yes china may win a war against us but can that be so easily at very low loss. it can take back possible territory . but can it sustain the alienated india in future .
remember son . when we lose all we have to defend , our only goal will be only to offend. can u r country sustain the alienated terrorized india with extremist face. then india will be totally polarized . mandatory military service will be called ON. and then india becomes ISRAEL. the rest of world can do to pak is carry on road shows with posters of SAVE PAK. why all this . never poke other . let this country live . and live in peace.
i m a hindu , but still i love allah. but not islamic extremism.
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Aug 20, 2014 01:54pm
How Pakistan will feel if our envoy speaks to Baluchistan's separatists?
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Aug 21, 2014 12:19am
Kashmir is for the people of Kashmir, why should India care who Pakistan talk to.
The people of both country want peace, but the government of India, and to smaller extent Pakistan dont want peace.
Why dont india have a referendum and let the people of Kashmir decide what they want to do.
Because India know the answer.
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Aug 21, 2014 09:47am
@Anwar Hayat Are you a kid? Himachal is 94% Hindu, Punjab is 35% hindu and Haryana is 80% Hindu. Moreover, Sikhs do not want the Khalistan any more. Probably majority of them never wanted that, but now even 0.1% of Sikhs of India do not want Khalistan. Sikhs, to your disappointment, are very patriotic. Also, to your disappointment, most Hindus love Sikhs. Only few NRI sikhs make hue and cry over Khalistan.
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Aug 21, 2014 10:44am
Lots of discussion already there. Point is Pakistani High commissioner has already discussed with Kashmiri Separatist( Very Important stakeholder on this issue) , So now they will find the solution. So no need to discussion on this matter. I think , we all should stop now.
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Aug 21, 2014 06:07pm
@zak thank god India is a secular country or pseudo secular or watever but atleast we dont burn churches or mosques or gurudwaras, some incidents here and there must have happened in India but by and large minorities leave peacefully in india as compared to pakistan. Now the real question is if we try to get rid of our minorities then a whole generation of killers will be created who will have nothing else to do other than killing. That generation with blood on their hands will be more dangerous than the minorities we thought getting rid off. So India should not become only a Hindu Nation. "UNITY IN DIVERSITY" is our MOTTO and we at least try to stick it to for right or wrong reasons.
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