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Ahmadis restricted from offering Eid prayers

Published Aug 22, 2012 11:29am


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An Ahmadi place of worship — File Photo
An Ahmadi place of worship — File Photo

RAWALPINDI: According to Saleemuddin, spokesperson of Ahmadiyya community, Ahmadis were restricted from offering Eid prayers at Ewan-e-Tauheed located at E-Block, Satellite Town, Rawalpindi reported DawnNews.

Saleemuddin said, “Ewan-e-Tauheed is where most of us offered Eid and Friday prayers, however, the situation changed nine months ago when a hate campaign against our community enticed residents of the area to restrict our activities. Prior to the Eid prayers, we sought approval from the local law enforcement agencies to let us pray on Eid or suggest an alternative site where we could congregate.”

According to Saleemuddin, police approved of the idea, however, at the last minute informed Ahmadis that it is best if they offer Eid prayers at Bait-ul-Hamd, Murree Road, which only has a capacity to accommodate 100 worshippers.

He went on to say that early in the morning, police officials surrounded Ewan-e-Tauheed to deter Ahmadis from gathering and praying.

“An estimated number of 2,000 Ahmadis were expected to congregate and offer Eid prayers, however, were unable to do so because of the sudden change of events triggered by influence of local powerful businessmen,” added Saleemuddin.

However, Azhar Hamid Khokhar, CPO Rawalpindi, denied the allegations and said, “We had made it clear to the Ahmadis that they will not be able to pray at Ewan-e-Tauheed on Eid and advised them to congregate at Bait-ul-Hamd. This was our understanding from day one”

“Local residents object to their activities and say that Block-E is a residential area and should be treated as one. Since no NOC was obtained from them before constructing this worship site, they do not feel too happy about its existence,” he added.

Sharjeel Mir, President of Anjuman-e-Tajiran Rawalpindi and a local businessman said, “We object to Ewan-e-Tauheed and all that it stands for because it was acquired through illegal means. Fifteen years ago an Ahmadi bought a house and later on donated it to the Ahamdiiya community. Since then it has been used as a praying site despite of the fact that NOC was not obtained from the district government and local residents as is required according to the law of land.”

Mir also said that Ahmadis were given no approval to offer congregational prayers on Eid by local police authorities or government.

Mir went on to add that, “In May of 2010, Ahmadis and their worshipping site were attacked in Lahore enticing people praying at Ewan-e-Tauheed to beef up security. They barricaded all the roads that led to their worshipping site. There are several mosques in the area and most of the time local residents were not allowed to pass through the barriers. Even ambulances transporting patients to and from Holy Family Hospital were stopped and not given free passage.”

Mir went on to say that Ahmadis left them with no option but to report this abuse to the local authorities who then took action against them.

“According to the constitution, Ahmadis are not allowed to call their praying sites mosques and term their call of prayers as namaz. They do not follow the rules and policies which is why we have been taking action against them. We believe in coexistence. In fact countless Christians live in Rawalpindi and we live in harmony, however, we will not have Ahmadis call themselves Muslims and go against the law. They should live like other minorities,” added Mir.


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Chadrashekhar Giri Giri Aug 25, 2012 08:16am
like jesus said in bible they dont know what they are doing so pls god forgive them .
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 03:44am
Hahahaha. The whole world says that Muslims are wrong and a cult and you want to make Ahmedis- one of the most dynamic religons in North America, Europe, Africa, Asia, - understand how wrong they are. Are they wrong becuase they beleieve in Peace and equality?
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 03:56am
May Allah guide you becuase you appear ignorant. Please read the Quran again and again until you understand it. May Allah provide you guidance!!
Gerry D'Cunha Aug 23, 2012 01:44pm
Why don't your hyprocrates have the guts to declare:Aghakhanis;quajas;bohras as non-muslims who follow their spiritual leaders - because their spiritual leaders pump money in your country to boost your economy.
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 03:49am
RSS, you should be educated about the brainwashing your cultist Mullahs have given you. Come out of this mode of thinking. The whole world hates you anyways. If the drones do not get you then the Talibans will. You are useless to a civilized society!!!
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 03:59am
So man made laws can declare people Muslims and Non muslims? Do you think Allah is allowed to make such a decission? If he does then shut up and let him amke such a detrmination on the Final day. And do not be so sure that he will accpet you or your cult as a Muslim on that day no matter what your Jahil Mulaahs tell you!!!
I.Khan Aug 22, 2012 02:58pm
I am really baffled with the decision of declaring Ahmedia a non muslim. Why we made this decion and when God authorized Z.Bhutto or Zia-ul-Haq to decide who is a Muslim and who is not.??? Also what stopped us to pronounce Nizari (Aga Khanis), Mustaali, Dawoodi Bohra, Sulaymani, Zakaria and others a non-Muslim too.??? For me the biggest non-believer are Talibans who kill innocent people, blowup mosques, schools, shrines and attack funerals, they should be declared non-Muslims in Pakistan.
Waseem Aug 22, 2012 02:26pm
Christians living in harmony? are you kidding me, the name of holy family was chagned to khatme nabuwat, because it was a christian name. Ahmadis are being targetted for yers in rawalpindi. They had a mosque on murree road before which mob burned about 17 years ago, they renovated it and it was burned the second time, at that time ahmadis abought this place and this place is considered mosque because no property tax is taken from this house, because in pakistan and other countrie sof the world, religious places do not have to pay the property tax. Can you ask government if they don't oknow this place is a mosque why they have not taken the property tax for only this particular place but do take it for everyone around this building/mosque?
parveez Aug 23, 2012 09:21pm
Our religion ISLAM is the best, but that gives us no right to criticize other religion. We should not stop others from doing their religion duties. We living in the UK, and we are allowed to practice our religion, freely. This year, EID was on Sunday, and we had our eid prayer in a cricket ground. When we can practice Islam freely in the west, why can we not do the same for other religion, to practice in Pakistan. We must learn to be understanding, and respect other people from different parts, from different religion, and speaking different languages
Gull Hassan Khan Adv Aug 25, 2012 04:15pm
Zulfiqar ali bhutto PM at that time delared them non muslim after long debates and proof in national Asembly of pakistan and then in Senate. this thing must be kept in mind, if any one think that decision wrong then they can challenged it now.
Waqas Aug 23, 2012 09:20pm
So what if they are nonmuslims by anyones interpretation? Can you be rational and broadminded enough to love and respect others who are "different" than your thoughts & believes? Oh, remind me we are talking about the Land of Pure,
Kaushal Aug 24, 2012 04:02am
Does one wrong justify another wrong ?
Saif Aug 24, 2012 02:09am
Excellent thinking. It is in fact this type of thinking that has brought upon death to the "thousands of majority muslims".
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 03:42am
Cyrus, Ahmedis are not a failed sect . They have grown in leaps and bounds. There is no cuntry in the world where local Ahmedis do not exist including Saudi Arabia. Every civilized country in the world has complimented Ahmedis and the peaceful image of ISlam that it presents. Yes bigoted and fanatic Mullahs will not apprecaite their success nor will people who do not know what they stand for.
Naeem Ahmed Aug 24, 2012 03:32am
And we should ban and arrest all Muslims cults like you in USA. We should drone all Muslims too becuase they are a sick religous cult who have no beleive in Allah or justice !! Shameful police, shameful nation,shameful reigous cult!!!!I as a Muslim am ashamed of the actions fo these cultists in Pakistan!!!
Mr.W.Bangash Aug 22, 2012 03:05pm
Every body has the right to practice his or her religeon in Pakistan. Read what our Prophet SAW said & What Qaide Azam said about the minorities of Pakistan.
taranveer Singh Aug 22, 2012 02:46pm
shame shame what is happening in Pakistan. people are even not allowed to pray. that's peak of intolerance. on the other hand in India in city joshimath of utrakhand on day of eid when eid ground was filled with water, 800 Muslims prayed at gurdwara hall.
Salil Aug 22, 2012 02:42pm
paks are a laughing stock thro the world,they dont need to blame anyone else for their plight, low achievement,low education and expectation,abject poverty, intolerant attitude,still stuck in the medieval age,hiding behind islam which they use as a tool....where do you start?
Aziz Aug 22, 2012 02:43pm
I cannot believe this. I have always disagreed wtih ZIa's self proclaimed rule that Ahmedis are not Muslims and making it part of the constitution. However, to enforce it with such ruthlessness makes me sick. If Pakistani government really wants to follow the constitution, why don't they remove all the culprits who currently holds seats in the parliment including the presidient? Most of the members of parliment have a criminal past and have served jail time for it.
Shan Aug 22, 2012 02:30pm
Thank God I live in the United States where my government protects the rights of everyone equally wether I am a minority or not. I can call myself a Muslim, practice my faith freely and if a Mosque that I go to is under threat the local police makes sure it is protected. Interesting how a Christian Nation doesn't tell me to live like a minority however in Pakistan if you don't belong to a certain sect of Islam you are not only a minority, as a minority you are forced to have less rites than others. I wish Mr. Mir was here in America and his shop was shut down cause he was a " Muslim" I could only imagine the outcry but in Pakistan he manages to prevent 2000 Ahmadis from saying Eid namaz. It is people like Mir who have cursed Pakistan and this type of mentality has brought Pakistan to ruins. until this changes Pakistan will keep on heading towards disaster.
Umair Aug 22, 2012 11:51am
Thats a shame. Mullahs build mosques illegally all over pakistan for their own benefit but nobody thinks about following rules then. we are a biased, intolerant and a racist society. No matter what we think about the western powers atleast their minorities dont have to struggle with this everyday.
NASAH (USA) Aug 22, 2012 03:08pm
It is not only the illiterate Talibans -- looks like every Tom Dick and Harry has monopoly on Masjids and Islam -- except the Ahmedi Muslims. So much for tolerance in Islam.
Kdspirited Aug 22, 2012 03:04pm
AB BAS. Bohut ho gayee. Yeh Zulm ki inteha hai. What happened to Quaids saying that in Pakistan people (not muslims) will be allowed to go to their places of worship with freedom. How can we sit back and let this happen. This makes my blood boil. Who are these people to stop anyone from celebrating EID. God is rab-ul-alemeen not meaning the god of the world not of just the muslims.
Ahmed Aug 22, 2012 02:26pm
"They barricaded all the roads that led to their worshipping site. There are several mosques in the area and most of the time local residents were not allowed to pass through the barriers. Even ambulances transporting patients to and from Holy Family Hospital were stopped and not given free passage." Why qadianis blame it on community, they brought it on themselves..
Hassan Durrani Aug 22, 2012 02:30pm
This is so Bad , i feel ashmed when i see my country men being exploited on the basis of religion ... I have a deep respect of Ahmadi's ...they are good educated Pakistani's and they are doing alot for Pakistan.
Nurul A. Siddiqui Aug 22, 2012 03:02pm
Mr Chaudhry, No Pakistani needs to declare themselves any ethnicity to get their rights validated. The rights of people are granted by the Constitution of Pakistan, which was made in 1971. The declaration of minority statues was add to Constitution by A Dictator Zia ul Haq, by illegal means. So do not tell me that Ahmedi community need to declare themselves minority to claim the right the Constitution gave them.
s7786 Aug 22, 2012 02:36pm
Inna Liilah wa Inna Illahe rajeoon.
Ammar Aug 22, 2012 02:31pm
Building a mosque in europe is a difficult thing my friend. You are naive. But yes, I agree we should treat our minorities a lot better then we do
Tahir Amjad Aug 22, 2012 01:52pm
Qadianis are non muslims....Are not they???????
ahmed Aug 22, 2012 01:50pm
seem to be conspiracy ?
Tahir Amjad Aug 22, 2012 01:49pm
but the Najrani christian did not pretend to be Muslims.
Tahir Amjad Aug 22, 2012 01:48pm
if u r A call yourself not insist to be called M
alam Aug 22, 2012 01:42pm
i should say, ahmadis should be thankful to them , mir like minded ppl didnt let them pray coz on the other part of pakistan same minded people were busy killing shias, this is pakistan "ruled by muslims under non islamic rules".
Vineeth Aug 22, 2012 01:39pm
Seems like an irony of history that a religious group who swear by Allah and the Quran have far greater freedom to practise their faith in 'Hindu-dominated' India than the Islamic Pakistan. By Indian law Ahmadis are considered Muslims, and can call their places of worship as 'Mosques' (and those can have minarets too!). I have seen many mosques in my area with the name 'Ahmadiyya' written on it. Its only now that I realized they are probably Ahmadi mosques.
alam Aug 22, 2012 01:31pm
i should say, ahmadis should be thankful to them , mir like minded ppl didnt let them pray coz on the other part of pakistan same minded people were busy killing shias, this is pakistan "ruled by muslims under non islamic rules".
yousuf agha Aug 22, 2012 01:31pm
i feel sorry on the sic mindset of people . religion is personal BUT we feel that we have the right to correct everyone else other than ourselves. realy sad to read the piece and how we have deteriorated as a nation
Najam Aug 22, 2012 01:28pm
Sad indeed. Pakistan/Muslims are suppose to protect minorites in Pakistan. The Flag has the white band to show this. But seems no one cares.
Ali Aug 22, 2012 01:27pm
The problem with Pakistan is that it's full of Pakistanis.
@SyedArbabAhmed Aug 22, 2012 01:17pm
Ahmedis are non Muslims, but Islam gives equal rights to Non Muslims, so what government is doing to stop this ever increasing intolerance?
Wasif Aug 22, 2012 01:14pm
Many mosques in Pakistan are also in residential areas as well as some are even illegally acquired. Until there is a permanent alternate place of worship for Ahmedis, the authoroties should help the Ahmedi community in any way they can to accomodate them. Freeedom of religion should become an anchor point of our constitution.
N.Bajwa Aug 22, 2012 01:12pm
Thats great, Na tera Khuda Koee Aur Hay, Na Mer Khuda Koee Aur Hay, Ye Jo Rastay Hain Juda Juda, Ye Mamla Koee Aur Hay - Mullahs are worst people in Pakistan - Live and Let Live!
wizarat Aug 22, 2012 01:01pm
I don't have a problem with some of the statements if we have the same rules for all who seek to occupy precious land to build Masjid e Zarrar. Lets get rid of all unauthorized 2 block masjids from Pakistan.
Faizan Khan Aug 22, 2012 01:00pm
I dont re-call a 'NOC' signed and/or required by around 4 local mosques around my house :S seems like 'the law of the land' is applicable on selective groups or communities
memyself Aug 22, 2012 12:56pm
basically, when Ahmadis accept they are Non-Muslims, ever thing will just settle down peacefully, until then, its just non-stop thing
Aamer Saleem Khan Aug 22, 2012 12:42pm
Very unfortunate. The problem with ahmedis is that Pakistan denies them right to be called as muslims. As minority they should be allowed to build prayer place and practice their religion as per their wish. Pakistan and Islam both allow practice of religion as personal matter except the one which is adepted by the state. Ahmedis should only build prayer places according to the law, so should others including Muslims. We should not interfere with others' religion. May Allah be our Guide...Ameen
Zeeshan Aug 22, 2012 12:41pm
Pakistan should keep the following communities in check and keep them from speaking up. Give them all their rights but do not let them enter the main stream economy and politics of the state.
Anwar Aug 22, 2012 12:40pm
> Local residents object to their activities and say that Block-E is a residential area and should be treated as one. Since no NOC was obtained from them before constructing this worship site, they do not feel too happy about its existence Can anyone point out any residential area without a Masjid/Madrassa, Mandir, Church etc. Every religious area provide such facilities to its residents so why not one for Ahmadis?
Jay Aug 22, 2012 12:31pm
"They should live like other minorities,” code for "they should live subservient lives and comply with the requirements of the majority, regardless of whether such requirements are fair or not" - this statement does say it all for the "New Pakistan".
Gul Brekhna Aug 22, 2012 12:30pm
that is digusting..what image we put forward towards whole world as a Pakistani muslims?
Agha Ata Aug 22, 2012 12:24pm
Who are you? I am "A": "NO. You can't call yourself "A". Call yourself "B" and you better live like “C” and pray at "D".
Saeed Aug 22, 2012 12:24pm
I hang my head in shame.
Mr.T Aug 22, 2012 12:21pm
Agar yeh log khud namaz perhtay tu kisi or ko bh perhnay daitay, pakistaniyo ko pakistani ke duties nahi pata musalman ke kha say pata hongi. agar ahmadi ko ghair muslim he kahtay hai tu un ko un ke ibadat karnay do, magar na khud jeay gai na jeenay dai gai...
Zen Aug 22, 2012 12:20pm
Shame on us. We refuse to acknowledge the existence of peaceful religious minorities living side by side with us, our only Nobel prize winner is stricken from our history books because he is an "infidel", and they are killed and driven out of this land because they are not "right" in their belief. At the same time we shower the "righteous" extremists in rose petals and praises while they kill them and us.
abdul a. shaiKh Aug 22, 2012 02:48pm
IS EVAN E TAUHEED A PROPERTY OF QADIANIES .? Why they want to pray with non Qadianies.? If this place is belong to non Qadianies then they should arrange some where else. Why are they making an intishar a fuss.?.
M. Khan Aug 22, 2012 12:08pm
Remember Propher Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) let Najarani Christians pray in his Mosque. Take a lesson from that noble gesture.
Raja Aug 22, 2012 12:09pm
Sounds like a case of businessmen scared of extremist elements, an intolerant nation and corrupt government officials and police.
ali Aug 22, 2012 02:50pm
Everybody should be allowed to worship, they are accountable to God, if they are wrong then God will punish them the businessmen had no right to stop them from praying they probably paid the police to stop the ahmadis from praying.
Jtar Aug 22, 2012 02:27pm
Wow, Pakistan is racing back to the dark-ages faster that anyone could imagine. US president Bush threatened to "bomb us back to the stone-age" - looks like we're doing that just fine - without any help at all!
Asad Qureshi Aug 23, 2012 10:41am
Pakistanis with their support to fundamentalism and narrow mindedness are more and more behaving like the the wild aborigines of the stone ages. Their pretentious and gaudy love for Islam is pathetic.
Gerry D'Cunha Aug 23, 2012 10:43am
You hyprocrates, why won't they declared non-muslims at the time of partitation, because the muslims wanted their vote and ZAB declared them non-muslims to gain favours of the moulvis to be in power.
Bukhari Aug 23, 2012 12:21pm
But the problem is that, our own government declared them as non muslims. And I think it is only Pakistani government who declares Qadiyani sect as a non Muslim. Anyhow, these kind of things should not be appreciated and government should take a strict action on it.
sok Aug 23, 2012 01:26pm
Useless article based on complete ignorance about religion, an ideal example of a person suffering from acute stage of inferiority complex
Mansha Aug 23, 2012 12:07pm
Ahmadi,s are not muslims so should not be allowed to pray in mosques so why all debating on such a useless topic
Ruhan Aug 23, 2012 11:44am
despecable and shambolic democracy!
Simba Aug 23, 2012 11:41am
The particle was predicted by Dr. Abdus Salam, the only Pakistani Nobel Laureate.
Izhar Ali Shah Aug 23, 2012 11:41am
I appreciate the local community of Rawalpindi including police and salute them that they did not give permission for prayer, According to 1973 Constitution Ahmed-is (Qadyani) can't do the any religious activity in pakistan they should arrest and banned also charge on them for life prison
Salim Aug 23, 2012 11:38am
The problem: We are afraid of molvi more than the ALLAH! We believe in mullah more than in the QURAN! We do not read the translation (lack of education) of QURAN, rather prefer to listen to molvi's description of ISLAM - as a result; we have made are lives very difficult (almost unlivable because of petty issues) as Muslims - where as Islam is very easy! Believing in molvis is making us more unhuman! And corrupt politicians, establishment and foreign powers (who know how to divide and rule the weak uneducated pupil - support madrassa but do not support free schooling for everyone) thrive on it... These foreign powers do support post graduate specialization - it serves them better. Brain drain. They create such stiuations in developing countries that the best in their fields (who cannot take it anymore and have the opportunity) leave to these countries (Saudi Arabia, United States and many more). But still we hold on after 65 years! GOD bless Pakistan
Jamil Aug 23, 2012 11:27am
This news contrasts with what we read just a few days ago about Jews allowing Muslims to pray in their Virginia (USA) during Ramazan. Check out the headline below and the link to DAWN's story. Virginia synagogue serves as mosque during Ramazan
rehan Aug 23, 2012 11:04am
This is such a useless debate . Not even worth a comment , really . Thousands of majority muslims have been killed by US drones and we are silent but all hell breaks loose when something happens ( even allegedly) to minorities !! ...
GM Awan Aug 23, 2012 11:19am
first of all we are all Pakistani & Quid e Azam said here would be freedom to everyone go to worship no would be restriction on any minorities.As Pakistani ahmedies or nation brother and fellow.They should have freedom in their worship.Everyone has his own belief so should not impose restriction on any minorities.we respect belief of everyone but follow our own.I think our muslim cleric afraid of freedom of ahmedies due to low knowledge of Islam......
Sada-e-hindustan Aug 23, 2012 11:13am
Ahmadis , if i m not wrong owe their rootr to a place in indian punjab, qadiyan, that is why i think they are being ill treated in pakistan. After all we know the plight of mohajirs.
AHA Aug 23, 2012 10:35am
Imran Aug 23, 2012 10:20am
You are ignorant Mr. We Ahmadies are building mosques here in Europe and wherever we have more than 15/20 living.. we can build mosque easily.. not only we.. other Muslims are also allowed.. and we call it mosque here
Shafiq Aug 23, 2012 10:12am
Alas! Not only Mr Mir, but our whole nation has gone sick - mentally sick. Inna lillah-e-wa innna Elaih-e-Rejeoon. Oh Allah! send your messenger ESSA Ibn-e- Marriam (if not already sent) whome you have kept reserved for treatment of this Muslim Ummah OR if already have sent, then open their eyes. Ameen.
GURU KRANTI Aug 23, 2012 12:36pm
agree with you 100% muslims persecuting muslims that is pakistan what hope for religious minorities
Eddied Aug 23, 2012 12:59pm
This is what's religious extremist sounds discussion allowed..he thinks he is God.
Mazhar Ali Aug 23, 2012 01:21pm
Very disgraceful.
Naeem Aug 23, 2012 01:22pm
In Minneapolis, USA the catholic church allowed muslims to say the Friday prayers without any charge. Who has given the right to declare who is muslim or not and judge the faith. It is between God and man. What a shame that Ahmadis are being treated so badly. We have even failed to honour Dr. Abdus Salam the nobel prize winner because of his faith. No wonder we are so dismel in education.
Athar Aug 23, 2012 01:35pm
Dont push your flawed understandings onto Ahmadies. But you will not understand as your wisdom and fate has been thrown into the dark due to your own actions. Alas a nation so ill-fated, but still not ready to correct it ..
Mazhar Ali Aug 23, 2012 01:25pm
Eddied Aug 23, 2012 01:14pm
This,is what an extremist bigot sounds like...they are not god but they speak as if there way is the only your eyes the majority of people on earth are not Muslims and God made it that way...
nadsc Aug 25, 2012 12:25pm
What is "best" to you may not be the case for others. If you can get above " Islam the Best" .....God will love you for that!
Shehryar Aug 23, 2012 01:40pm
What a Shame ! Disgraceful .
nadsc Aug 25, 2012 12:28pm
Well said.
Mr.T Aug 25, 2012 09:41am
I don't know you follow teaching of Mohammad or teaching of your scholars who you trust more then anything. but anyhow answer me this only " What would Mohammad do " if he was present now ? would you follow Mohammad or the one who tells you anything and you believe on them blindly ?
Siva D Aug 25, 2012 01:49pm
Parvez starts off with a highly judgemental and biased statement despite the fact that it is impossible to objectively establish one religion to be better than the other or over no-religion. Yet somehow the appeal for reciprocation comes off as a moderate and tolerant view. I think this is the symptom of a the disease that is pervading the society - the middle keeps shifting to more and more conservative positions.
Chadrashekhar Giri Giri Aug 25, 2012 08:14am
keep it up parvez good open mind always works like one you have god bless you
nadsc Aug 25, 2012 12:26pm
Well said Bob!
Chadrashekhar Giri Giri Aug 25, 2012 08:18am
in pakistan history is mistry
Saif Aug 24, 2012 02:12am
MAHENDRA DEV Aug 24, 2012 12:07am
abdul Aug 25, 2012 02:09am
Ahmadies fought for Pakistan in the greater interest of muslims of the sub-continent.
muneer Aug 24, 2012 01:43am
they are praying in their house of worship... call it what you want mosque, mandir, church...
Mazher Haroon Aug 23, 2012 11:43pm
Kee Mohammed (pbuh)too hamm taree haan aya jahan cheez hia kia loh wa kalam taree haan
Common sense Aug 23, 2012 11:52pm
If some body says that Muhammad salalah peace br upon him is not the last prophit, why not leave it to God who will send him to hell fire. If a non muslim reads quran,offer prayers,fasts in ramzan is he not better than the one who does not do all these?
S. Nasir Mehdi Aug 23, 2012 09:45pm
I think the issue of Talibans is more serious that Ahmadis.Talibans / Alqaida/this Jaish that jaish are certainly non Muslims. They kill Muslims of any Fiqh, burn mosques and schools without caring who are effected.. They are guilty of undermining Islam. Some Moulana, Moulavi, Allim should go in Waziristan showing them translation of holy verses. Even if they desist they are Wajub ul Qatl. If these so called Ulema turned politicians do not carry out this important duty then they also deserve the same punishment.Howww long Pakistanis will tolerate these Khat Ulmas.
AMZ Aug 23, 2012 11:29pm
-Ahmadis declared non-muslims by Govt of Pakistan (and rightly so, there is ample literature on it). -Ahmadis are unlike other minorities for e.g. (christians & jews : are considered People of the book in Islam), Hindus (polytheists). Ahmadis can be best classified if not non-muslims than Hypocrites. (thats more dangerous to an islamic society than any other minority). -Had police allowed them to pray on EID as muslims do, one could apply blasphemy law in this case. ''298-B and
Naeem Ahmed Aug 24, 2012 03:24am
And thousands more Pakistanis and Muslims shall be killed as the world sees them as a cult which is bigoted,unfair, unjust and has no respect for its minorities. Muslsims are getting what they give to the minorities. So stop complaining. Fix your own problems first!!!
Naeem Ahmed Aug 24, 2012 03:26am
And you are Allah? I am like you and I think Usman is a Kafir and follows a cult of Islam. He and people like him should be droned out!!! So we canhave only sane and stable people in this land of ours.
Naeem Ahmed Aug 24, 2012 03:28am
So dude,you belong to a cult? I think your cult should be elimnated altogether. You are one of those misguided cultic muslims who has no right to exist!!!
AAA Aug 23, 2012 08:44pm
Just Pakistan declared them Non-Muslims bro!!
Junaid Aug 23, 2012 10:13pm
yes they are not muslims and should be restricted at any cost. very well done!
anand Pillai Aug 23, 2012 10:13pm
who are you to decide what is religion and non religion. When or which god gave you that certificate
Manzoor Chohan Aug 23, 2012 08:01pm
Is this really true that accordig to the law amendment of 1973,Some Pakistanis (Ahmadis) are not allowed to pray or act like muslims ? I wil be extremly happy if a Christian wishes to read Quran and pray like a Muslim.
Shafiq Aug 24, 2012 10:27am
Khan saab, why don't you take rest of your brothers with you?
Muhammad Zahid Inam Aug 24, 2012 10:24am
This is not something rigid. Ahmadis are rather rigid. You may abuse me to have a cup of ice from me but if one abuses my Prophet, or anything pertinent to my faith, i find it difficult to tolerate.
Shafiq Aug 24, 2012 10:20am
Parveez, Don't give example of those countries. They have absolute freedom (like jungle), a man can marry a man, same for women. you can have kids without weddings. they don't care who is doing what until they are paying taxes. these countries/societies are not good enough to be exemplified.
Shafiq Aug 24, 2012 10:12am
My brother, this is religion, not a game that you can pick and chose what you like and change what you don't. These 50-50 type is worst of all.
Ahmed Khan Aug 24, 2012 09:38am
In which country are you living in, Bukhari Sahib? We are talking about Pakistan, and in Pakistan the majority mindset has become intolerant and "unislamic". It is not a handful of people who are hateful and intolerant. It is the horde of masses led by the ignrant Mullahs and an incompetent and corrupt Government which are turning the country into a virtual hell for both tolerant Muslims as well as other minorities. Pakistan is a disgrace to the name of Islam because of its bigots and self-styled defenders of Islam!
Ahmed Khan Aug 24, 2012 09:04am
Case not closed, Mr. Afridi! It may be closed in your twisted and depraved mind, but not in the minds of most Muslims. Your proclamatory remarks against the Ahmedis don't mean a thing to all true believers. I am a Sunni and I deplore your intolerant attitude. Learn something from the life of our beloved Prophet (Peace be upon him).
yogesh Aug 24, 2012 09:02am
Dear AMZ, Please don't be that rigid.There should be tolerance and respect amongst Sunnis,Shias, Ahmedis, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians in Pakistan. Tolerance and respect towards Pakistanis of other faiths and religions would lead to permanent peace in Pakistan. Permanent peace leads to new thinking,ideas and progress. Progress and well being of a nation is much more important than the religion one practices. I wish you and Pakistan good luck.
Gerry D'Cunha Aug 24, 2012 08:58am
Parveez - your views are intolerant to other faiths.
Ahmed Khan Aug 24, 2012 08:58am
Ahmadis can call themselves what they want. Who on earth do you think you are to dictate as to what they should call themselves?I am a sunni and I deplore the fanatic and intolerant attitude of people like Chaudhry! For me Ahmedis have the same right to live and practice their brand of Islam in Pakistan as all the other Islamic sects- Shias, Agha Khanis etc. etc.
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 04:04am
Abdul A Saikh sahib, Evan -e -Tauheed is a property belonging to Ahmedis. Why are you stopping them form praying in their own property? Of course a country like Pakistan has no law and order and is declining so fast in moral values, justice, fairness that the world has started calling it a failed State!!! Are you surprised?
Nadeem Khan Aug 24, 2012 07:44am
Dr Ghayur, are you a Mohammadan? I am not a Qadyani but a Ahmadi Muslim. I invite you to learn the true teachings of Islam . Please read the Holy Quran again and again till you understand it. Many people in the West also beleive that your religon is a bogus and a cult? Do you agree? Then why do you take aid from them and live of "kafir" money? Ahmadies are Muslims and only Allah can decide who is a true Muslims. Reading by your post , I do not think that you even understand Islam. Again as I said, read the Holy QUran with meaning and understand it. We have Allah's blessings. Do you know any other religion that has prospered so much? In Pakistan you may prosecute us because of your religious bigotry and un islamic teachings that you follow. But in all civilized societies we are not only prospering but have also built the greatest number fo mosques, Schools, hospitals, food banks, etc. What have you done in spite the oil money that the rest of the Arabs Muslims have? Just fight and kill each other? Who is killing each other in Pakistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq? Why is a Muslim country like Saudi and Qatar killing people in Syria? Please follow Islam properly.
Nadeem Khan Aug 24, 2012 07:34am
As an Ahmadi who has left Pakistan and live freely in the West, I think Ahmadies made a big mistake supporting the creation of Paksitan. They should have stayed in India. Hoever, whatever happens , is in accordance with the pans of God Almighty. Today most Ahmadi Muslims live in the West. This has allowed them to get highly educated and therefore serve humanity more effectively. Ahmadi Muslims are the msot respected community in the West becuase of our peaceful and tolerant nature. Every Western Government has prasied us becuase of the communal harmony that we crwate. Also Ahmadi Muslims have converted more non Muslims to ISlam becuase of the example that we provide. Paksitan ,unfortunately due to religous bigotory crerated by uneducated Mullahs have created this wedge and as aresult Pakistan is the looser and not Ahmadi Muslims. Ahmadi Muslims no matter where they live are loyal to their country wether it be Pakistan, India, USa, Canada,UK , France, etc. and beleive in univeral brotherhood,repect of others. These rae the true teachings of Islam and not the bigotory and hatred taught and practised by Mulklahs.
Bob Aug 24, 2012 07:22am
Because Mr Janjuah, Muslims are hypocrites and that is why we in Europe do not trust them. We look at examples in your country and say, we do not want them. That we allow you religious freedom is because we are true believers in God and have fear of God through Jesus Christ. We do not kill you Muslims because you do not accept Jesus as Son of God. We know that you are wrong but we have been thought to respect others by Jesus. Please learn from your stay in the West.
ahmad Aug 24, 2012 07:14am
I wish everyone here in pakistan thought like you.
ahmad Aug 24, 2012 07:11am
I totally agree
fijisun Sep 04, 2012 11:03am
Ahmadis and Pakistan Assalamo Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah! I tend to agree with Bashy Quraishy's thoughts. Despite such severe atrocities and death meted out to Pakistani Ahmadi Muslims, they still love their country, if they adopt a foreign land they still go back to visit their homeland and are exceptionally loyal to the nation which has literally disowned them. I also know a very large majority of educated Pakistanis (based on my personal friendship here in the San Francisco Bay Area where I am well known as an Ahmadi - some even call me Qadiani) do not approve of Pakistan
Babar Awan Mirza Aug 24, 2012 04:50am
What nonsense!!! Ahmadis are not Christains and do not go for prayers on Sunday . They pray on Fiday just as prescribed by Islam. They follow the Quran and the Hadith. But they do not need your approval to call themselves a Muslim. Allah has declared them Muslims. Such evil persons as ZAB and Zia have already been punished. And so shall you. To you your perverted version of ISlam and to me my true Islam that beleives in Universal brotherhood, love for all and hatred for none. Eid Mubarik to the true followers of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) .
bob Aug 24, 2012 04:44am
Killings of Muslims throughout the world is also a result of cause and effect by your way of thinking. Muslsims musty have done something wrong to be killed in such large numbers from Iraq, to Syria to Libya to Afghanistan, to Pakistan and now Burma? I hope you agree with your own philosophy of cause and effect! Do you?
Omar Aug 24, 2012 04:42am
if you knew your history you would not been ashamed on yourself, read correct histroy first which you would not find in pakistani books or articles.
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 04:41am
Do not teach me Islam. Learn Islam from the Quran and not your Jahil Mullahs. They have destroyed Islam and Pakistan!!!
Bon Aug 24, 2012 04:28am
Muslims are the most divisive followers of Islam. They kill each other,prevent each other from progressing, never help each other, never cooperate with each other, offer fatwa against each other, etc. Aug 24, 2012 04:18am
You may be right as even though I have read the Holy Quran several times with meanings, I may have missed out or not understood this aspect. I never said that Ahmedis are moslems, but can you please refer me to the passage you are referring to which describes who are moslems and who are non moslems, and which category of non-moslems the Ahmedis fall in, as you seem very wise and learned. Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 04:18am
Vineeth, I thank Indians and Government of India for their just and secular policy. Although Ahmedis contibuted greatly in the amkings of Pakistan, they should realize their mistake and think of moving back to India. They will add a very educated group to the Indian cultural mossaic who will contribute effectively to the devleopmentg of the nation. Satying in Pakistan under such circumstances is a waste of time and energy!!!
Babar khan Aug 24, 2012 04:10am
Javed don;t you remeber , about 3 years ago two Ahmedi mosques were invaded by terrorist fanatics who killed about 100 people in Lahore? There was no police protection and Ahmedis like Shais,metc have to protect their own place of worship. The Government and police are so bigoted and biased that they are unable to do so!!!
Arun Aug 23, 2012 08:55pm
Very sensible words and well said!
mahan Aug 30, 2012 08:38pm
WOW. Who r u to declare someone muslim or not muslim. Zulifiqar ali bhutto is just a politician. We can challenge it but first open that in camera session which was recorded in 1973 when all 72 sect scholars had debated with Ahmadi scholars. You can only stop in Pakistan and ahmadi muslims are declared non-muslims only in Paksitan all other muslim nations are big fools that they do not declare them as non muslims. You are muslim i am glad to hear if you have the true religion then why do not you capture whole world what r u doing from last 1400 years.why people are not accepting you. You are so called muslim. i am amazed by your thoughts.
Mairaj Aug 23, 2012 07:28pm
Aziz Aug 23, 2012 02:04pm
I like your way of thinking - :)
Laeeq, NY Aug 23, 2012 02:00pm
I can see your ignorance about Ahmadyyat
masood Aug 23, 2012 01:59pm
so you mansha are a muslim are you ? people like you should take a long hard look at yourself and go read some proper history books.
Karim Aug 23, 2012 01:58pm
Muslims are killed by Taliban and terrorist groups everyday I don't see you ever protesting.
zee Aug 23, 2012 01:52pm
So how about we declare every Pakistani sunni a terrorist and arrest each one throughout the world for practicing their faith. You have proven to be fanatics over and over again you harbor more terrorist than any other Nation in the world and you were a safe haven for OBL. You go around giving fatwas on who is and is not Muslim, maybe you should be banned from practicing your faith as Pakistani Sunnis , lets see how you feel.
Sud Aug 23, 2012 07:17pm
How do you decide whether non-Muslims pray on Eid or not? I think it is up to them to decide what they do with their religion? With this level of intolerance, Allah will sure send Pakistan down the drain!!
Hasnain Haque Aug 23, 2012 07:09pm
You need your head examined, you obviously live in a cave
Janjuah Aug 23, 2012 07:05pm
Living in europe we ask for religious freedom ...why this group of people is restricted then?????
Who Dunit Aug 23, 2012 07:00pm
Amazing how many of the posters here claim Ahmadi's should not be allowed to pray and then will turn around and cry foul if a Mosque in the US or UK is not allowed due to the bias there. Islam teaches tolerance first and foremost. Who are we to claim Ahmadi's are not Muslims and should not call their prayers Nimaz. What rubbish. If a community wants to be called Muslim then we should encourage it. If you haven't noticed being called a Muslim in many parts of the world these days is not exactly a badge of honor. So by being snobs and pretending that we have an oh so exclusive club is moronic. If you are true Muslims then get rid of the hatred in your hearts.
Vineeth Aug 23, 2012 06:54pm
My point is, we can request Pakistan to release him as a good will gesture. But we do not have the right to cry fowl and 'demand' his release. He was caught from within Pakistan's borders not from India. He will have to explain what exactly he was doing there.
masood Aug 23, 2012 06:14pm
nothing stange about that because muslims did not claim to be jews in there place of worship. they maintained their identity. in case of qadianis they pose as muslims and treat the muslims as kafirs.---strange for you--- but do put in some time to study the root cause of all this.
masood Aug 23, 2012 06:10pm
this is the easiest thing to put blame on a maulvi these days. pls read yr constitution. read the actual facts about who these qadianis are and why they have to be treated like that. yr comments confirm one thing u need to do lot of study on the matter without the help of a maulvi.
Musalman ka bachcha Aug 23, 2012 05:58pm
Both the Ahmadies and their opponents call themselves Muslims but cannot be treated as Muslims at the same times. Moreover both of them refuse to recognize the other as Muslim. It is for the Ahmadies to make the decision. They are now in the millions and cannot get any more leverage by calling themselves Muslims. Better leave alone the Muslims who are generally branded as fundamentalists, extremists and terrorists
Omar Aug 23, 2012 05:57pm
The constitution was written by politicians. Corrupt men of weak charachter and questionable motives. Yes we still have them running the country today. Thats why this country is going nowhere. God gave u a brain to use...why are u wasting such a precious gift?
Talha Aug 23, 2012 05:53pm
Yes what wonderful logic I shall declare you non human tomorrow and take away all your clothes. It doesn't matter what you say does it, when the majority say you are not human you have to be non human. I can't see why people fail to get such a clear idea. After all Ahmedies were declared non Muslim. May Allah bless the minds of our nation.
Isadora Aug 23, 2012 05:52pm
Pakistan has opened its roads again for American equipment to get through. But so many Americans simply want to use those roads to pick up, turn around and get out of there. What is happening to your country?
muzjee Aug 23, 2012 05:51pm
Ahmadis are Muslims as they believe that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) is his messenger.
Omar Aug 23, 2012 05:51pm
ure gonna go to hell...u know this right?
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:50pm
Please read about the thoughts & teachings of Islam, also see what Qadiyanis think about Islam before making such a tall comment
Omar Aug 23, 2012 05:50pm
Dude...U made me laugh.
muzjee Aug 23, 2012 05:49pm
Drone attacks are wrong but Pakistanies are not doing them. This is something that we are doing.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:48pm
All the societies in the world needs change, not only Pakistan. In the name of freedom nudity & gay marriages are being legalized, Pakistan is far better than many of the so called progressive & developed countries.
muzjee Aug 23, 2012 05:46pm
I am an Ahmadi and I truely believe that I am a Muslim as I believe in all the fundamentals of Islam. Pakistan's constitution should be changed to allow me to declare my faith. That is really the cause of this mess.
Talha Aug 23, 2012 05:45pm
The wild aborigines (original inhabitants of the Australian continent) had a very defined set of right and wrong and justice; don't compare them to the mindless mob we have become. Maybe what you meant to say was that they have become wild savages.
Aman Aug 23, 2012 05:46pm
The reason of the fall of the muslims is nationalism, when will we unite under the islamic banner. Nationalism has destroyed us.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:43pm
Islam is a true divine religion, impurities cannot be allowed in Mosques.
Talha Aug 23, 2012 05:42pm
Yes the great stalwarts of Islam have nothing better to do than to stop people from praying to their God. Have some fear of God he is the only one who will decide who is allowed to do what.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:41pm
Shame & disgrace be upon you, We are exceedingly happy to be Muslims, we do not care about people calling names to Muslims & Pakistanis. To Muslims religion is a serious matter therefore it cannot be taken casually. Even if you are a Muslim better read about Islamic faith.
Yogesh Aug 23, 2012 05:36pm
Ahmedis , after all are Pakistani.Be liberal.They are also human beings.Respect them if you can. instead of killing them or stopping them from praying, Invite them to mosques for prayers. Intolerance and living in past is not good for Pakistan.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:34pm
This is all propaganda to defame Muslims & Pakistan. There is no contamination in the heart of those who love Islam. The doubts are in peoples with 50-50....
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:29pm
Yes Rehan, you are right. Most of the peoples are biased & jealous about Pakistan.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:25pm
Sorry dear you have got it all wrong. If you have ever met a Sikh pilgrim who visited their sacred shrine in Punjab he will tell you of the best hospitality he got during his religious visit. Who says there is any problem with Mohajirs, My roots are also from India, never got any problem. My children got best of education & job in Pakistan. Its all political.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:18pm
Peoples of all religion have right to practice their religion, who is denying this. Religious places are sacred so it is the duty to strictly adhere to it. Different religions have different type of sacredness.
Khurram Aug 23, 2012 05:14pm
Pakistan needs ATTATURK we need a big boat put all the mullahs in it and then put a big hole in the middle of the ocean and then be ssad that we lost a good boat.Shoot every mullah that comes out on the street to hold on to Blasphamy law. I am a suuni muslim but ashamed
Ali Aug 23, 2012 05:13pm
Mansha, I don't think you, me(being Sunni) or anyone has this authority to declare ahmadis as non muslim. It is up to Allah to decide who is Muslim and who is not. First of all Pakistan was formed on the vision where all majority & minorities have equal rights. Secondly, every knowledgeable person knows that declaring Ahmadies as non muslim is more politically driven than anything else. In today's world where muslims especially Pakistani community who have become a joking stock for the world should be careful and show respect to all communities in Pakistan to send a positive message to the rest of the world that we are peace loving country and not hatred nation. I hope you will understand my point. Thank you
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:10pm
It is not essential to follow what the Jews has done. There are several things a Jew can do but a Muslim can't. Why should there be any comparison.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 23, 2012 05:07pm
What has any Mullah or Molvi got to do with the police stopping the Ahmadis. The Ahmadis are declared non Muslim so why should they be allowed to enter a place not meant for them. They are allowed to perform their religious duties at home or in the designated area. The police has done the right thing.
Ahmad Aug 23, 2012 04:47pm
I sincerely appreciate the efforts and courage of the writer of the article. Well dpne and keep it up Dawn. As for Ahmadies they are to be judged like others on the day of judgement by the God Almighty Himself and not the mullas, their patrons or people like Mr Mir. Unfortunately these people are influenced by the ONE SIDED propaganda done by the mullas and those who exploit religion for their political gains. They do not know the true faith of Ahmadis as described by them. If the Ahmadis try to explain their faith they are prosecuted by the authorities due to fear created by the bigots and those who believe in militancy and violence in violence.Ahmadis believe in One God, his prophet Muhammed pbuh.They recite the Kalama -Shadat ,pay zakat. go to Haj fast during Ramazan and believe in the teachings of Quran. Let them be judged by God. They propagate Islam all over the world, establish missions in africa,Europe and other countries. They. offer, darud on the holy prophet PBUH daily. daily and consider it a source of salvation .Most of them pray Tahajjad .They do not believe in Dharnas, strikes or vioience. They are true and loyal Pakistanis are are always ready to sacrifice their lives for the honour and glory of Pakistan and Islam. They pray for the safety ,prosperity and advancement of Pakistan. May grant peace of mind and a sense of of tolerance to those who oppose the peace of the country in the name of religon without going into the point of view of those whom they oppose with a un prejudiced mind.Ahmadis pray for them and believe in LOVE FOR ALL AND HATRED FOR NONE. May Allah keep our country safe and peaceful.
Sajid Ali Aug 23, 2012 04:45pm
Ok well then all the other religions should be banned too if Muslims are to be the only one allowed free practice in Pakistan, right? Despicable, these are the very thoughts that will prove to be the most effective weapon used for dis-integrating Pakistan. What about lessons we learnt from Prophet Mohammed (SAWAW) who allowed equal practice of beliefs as long as they follow the treaty? Constitution that voids the Islamic teachings must be null and voided at once. Long Live Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
allaisa Aug 23, 2012 04:40pm
Muslims have a God given right to pray anywhere they want, be it a Jewish synagogue, a Hindu temple or a Christian Church. On the other hand, no one bar no one can pray in a mosque except those whom WE consider Muslims. If you cannot understand this simple principle you must be really dense or a Kafir.
Rowaid Aug 23, 2012 04:38pm
If you really follow the so-called "1973 constitution" of your so-called "Islamic republic of Pakistan", so why why don't you people strike and burn down the mosques build by Ahmadis all across the country. the truth is that you cowards can only comment and discuss to spread hatred against us. your faiths are too feeble to be called as muslims.
allaisa Aug 23, 2012 04:36pm
Who are you to decide that? Only Allah can decide who is a Muslim.
Dr. D. Prithipaul Aug 23, 2012 04:35pm
What an irony that the Ahmadiyas should be legally disallowed to be Muslims when they did participate in the demand for the creation of the Pure State!
Hassan Aug 23, 2012 04:31pm
i think u r mis guided kid..100% sure wht is islam not wht u say abt wht u wanted to..hav thorough study..
Dr.Ghayur ahmad Aug 23, 2012 04:25pm
. When qaidanees belief is fractured one, they are out of Islamic way of life and circle why they offer Eid or jumma prayers. What is this? They don't have for their own religion any disciplined worship plan and other their own religion celebrities and celebration and they follow the Muslims and Islamic practices where as they are not Muslims. If such a status of their religion prevails, they them should wake up and accept Islam and take the belief as Muhammad (PBUH) their last prophet who is rematalameen wa khatim nabeyeen. The picture of qaidanees, which when one zee-shuoor person analyzes, he comes to the conclusion it is a false and fake bogus belief and not even a deen (religion for itself) This, itself proves qaidanees are wrong and mistaken,, will not get any reward of their good deeds from Allah as they don
Touseef Aug 23, 2012 04:15pm
I am ashamed to see all these hypocritical comments. If you go to a foreign land and want to worship God All Mighty the way you want to, Then why do you wish to restrict the Ahmedis from their right to worship. They pay their taxes hence making that Jaziyah so if the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) allowed communities of other religion to worship after taxing them.Then whats our problem.
Ashar Aug 23, 2012 04:14pm
I am sorry but did you read the article properly?
SAH Aug 23, 2012 04:14pm
Allah is the best judge who is Muslim, and who is not. Can we call the target killers 'Muslims,? Who kill, mutilate and cut up other moslems and stuff them in gunny bags. Yet we allow them to say their Eid prayers amongst us in Mosques. Can we call the drug dealers, who are the merchants of death, Muslims, and allow them to pray in our mosques? Can we call the barbarians who rape five year old and kill them, Muslims? Yet we allow them to say their Eid prayers amongst us. Come on people, get your heads straight and see where we need to focus.
Ashar Aug 23, 2012 04:13pm
It is not ust the Pakistani government. Please do some research before commenting.
Nihal Aug 23, 2012 03:56pm
So sad to read your and others comments about Ahmedis, you do it for Ahmedis now, tom these same people will do for Shias, Sufis, Hazaras.....those days are not far away my friend. Whether you believe of not in Karma, what goes around should come back around.
Muslim Aug 23, 2012 03:28pm
very well said salim and trust me i have a fear that soon this ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN will soon declared as ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF MULLAHISTAN
Muslim Aug 23, 2012 03:22pm
tell me who are you to decide who is muslim or who is not?? Only Allah can Judge a person belief and prayers .. so stop associating yourself with allah's work.. Mind your own belief and your own prayers because you are answerable for your prayers not answerable to any other sect person. PERIOD!
hmayon Aug 23, 2012 03:04pm
I have the feeling it is always the same person who is posting anti-ahmadi comments
Rabia Aug 23, 2012 03:04pm
I feel even sadder after reading these comments than the news report which was bad enough.
Abdul Aug 23, 2012 02:57pm
Dr satpal Jabbal Aug 23, 2012 02:57pm
In Joshimath, India, Sikhs invited Muslim Brothers in their Gurudwara for Eid Namaz. Does this tells something.
Hafeez Aug 23, 2012 02:56pm
I agree
Hafeez Aug 23, 2012 02:55pm
"Their pretentious and gaudy love of Islam." That was very well put! Because that is all they have to show for.
Hafeez Aug 23, 2012 02:54pm
Why is that a christian or Hindu can practice their faith ( Albeit marginally and under constant fear of persecution ) but an Ahmadi cannot?
Hafeez Aug 23, 2012 02:53pm
So they have their own mosque or place of worship. Where does it say that its your job to keep others from praying. Even if you consider them to be non Muslims, you have no right to force your beliefs on them. It just shows that you yourself are not a Muslim or someone who understands religion. There are too many ignorant people running around implementing sharia. Partly because they don't have anything better to do.
amir khan Aug 23, 2012 02:47pm
the constitution of Pakistan says a lot of other things you follow them all ? Where do you get this ignorance from? Did we as a nation do something so majestic that we are better than everybody else ?
amir khan Aug 23, 2012 02:46pm
who decides that ? Whether they call themselves muslims or martians, is nobody's business. P.S. I am a sunni and I completely disagree with this. we need to improve ourselves before pointing at others
hasan Aug 23, 2012 02:45pm
Quaid-e-Azam said, "You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed --that has nothing to do with the business of the State".
Muslim Aug 24, 2012 12:37pm
who are we or these mullah to decide who is right or who is wrong? I was told by my Islamiyat teacher that it is only ALLAH can judge someone's religion. so stop interfering in ALLAH's work. I don't care about our failed constitution. Our current constitution lacks the actual reason of why Pakistan was created.
Rashid Sultan Aug 23, 2012 02:35pm
What gives you, others like you or for that matter anybody at all the right to say or decide whoo is or is not a Muslim, should be or not be allowed in Mosques, etc? Crawl back under the stone please. You are not worthy of calling yourself a human being.
Muhammad Zahid Inam Aug 24, 2012 10:31am
But i dont agree. Why do we tend to become enemy of one who abuses our sister, mother or wife? Are these relations more important than relationship of a Prophet. and mind it, keeping silence on blasphemous acts from qadianis and ahmadis will provide an escape route for whatever faith resides in heart. My view is that police should not have let them offer prayer at any place and should have used their application to pray as their misrepresentation for application of related section of PPC. This is what they deserve with an attitude to continueing hurt sentiments of billions of Muslims.
Bukhari Aug 24, 2012 10:49am
If you comment in reply to my comment, then brother, what I said is 100% true. It is pakistani government who declared them non muslim In 1974 Pakistan's parliament adopted a law declaring Ahmadis to be non-Muslims; the country's constitution was amended to define a Muslim
Amit Aug 24, 2012 12:10pm
hear, hear
Izhar Ali Shah Aug 30, 2012 08:05am
Mr. hmayon no one is same person there is alot of people who want to do the work for Khatam-e-Nabowat. Because we believe that our last sermon is only only Muhammad (peace be upon him) and we are same here for our beloved Muhammad (peace be upon him) sunnah. May Allah give you better understanding
Non-Mulsim Aug 24, 2012 02:31pm
well said SAH
Non-Mulsim Aug 24, 2012 01:56pm
well said Khan sb -
Non-Mulsim Aug 24, 2012 01:52pm
Mr Shafiq - thats their part of culture and the same way they find you strange. The point which you are missing is that their is religious freedom in the west. Its not a Jungle here, its a jungle in Pakistan look at the Sialkot case and the recently 11 year old mentally ill girl in jail. If you find the west Jungle, than you better start looking whats in your society is jungle.
Yogesh Aug 24, 2012 01:37pm
That what i am stressing to you, such intolerance is not good for Pakistan.Ultimately the nation is bigger than one's faith.You may not like it, but it is an eternal truth.
Indian Aug 22, 2012 11:42am
" They should live like other minorities" that says it all!!! Great going Pakistan!!!
Jimmy Aug 22, 2012 11:38am
Wow! It makes me sick to my stomach. No wonder Pakistan has gone back to the cave years, it's mentality like Mr. Mir & what constitution?
ahmed Aug 22, 2012 12:51pm
my dear you dont know what happened in France they took how many day to pass the law banning niqab or hijab. Western they also have double standard about muslims. why they people pretending themselves to be muslim. these are not muslim rather these are conspiracy against muslim.
chaudhry Aug 22, 2012 12:10pm
Ahmadi's declare themselves as minorities, not muslims, and they can live with harmony.
Ghilzai Aug 22, 2012 01:24pm
Its a shame and crime, the pakistani government has failed again and again to protect Shia, Ahmedies and other minorities. Pakistanis are not a nation, it is a HAJOOM, an unorganized HAJOOM. we should all be ashmed of being part of this HAJOOM. How dare Pakistani Mullahs take away the right of life and right of pray from law abiding fellow Pakistanies!!!
Azam Chowdhry Aug 22, 2012 01:24pm
It is a shame. Every one should have the right to practice their faith without any fear from the people.
javed Aug 22, 2012 02:03pm
all i know they have different believes then others 98% in PAK.. since they came into existence keep hiding themselves and there worship places.. why they need fool proof security near their worship place...... can some one explain.....?
True Indian Aug 22, 2012 02:04pm
Great going Pakistan....U make Pakistanis living abroad proud and also some human Pakistanis living in Pakistan...
OMG Aug 22, 2012 02:04pm
I heard a Sikh community in India let their local Muslim community pray at their temple for "Eid" due to heavy rains in that area. But One Muslim won't let the other Muslim to pray in their mosque!!! talk about brotherhood!!!!!!
tipu Aug 22, 2012 02:04pm
The Ahmadis were stopped from saying Eid Prayers. No problem for Ahmadis. Its Allah who is to reward for prayers and also for mis-deeds. Ahmadis have been rewarded by Allah for the prayers (even when said at home or elsewhere). Allah goes by NIYAT and not show business. What haunts me whether those who stopped Ahmadis from their prayers HAVE EVER THOUGHT OF THE REWARD THEY WILL GET FROM ALLAH!!! WILL ALLAH REWARD THEM WITH MERCY FOR STOPPING PEOPLE TO BOW THEIR HEAD INFRONT OF HIM ? or Allah will bring curse upon them. ALL THOSE WHO FAVOUR SUCH ACTS, STOPPED AHMADIS FROM PRAYING.... Do think what Allah will do to them !!!
Shafqaat Bukhari Aug 22, 2012 03:10pm
This is not the true ISLAM, being preached by some of the people. ISLAM teaches the harmony, liberty of worship to every sect, religion and group. We should first look into our own deeds. I do believe that our role model and our character will fascinate the others most instead of the extremeism some of us are following. MAY ALLAH BLESS US THE WISDOM AND HELP US PREACHING AND FOLLOWING THE TRUE PATH OF ISLAM. AAMIN.
H. Being Aug 22, 2012 03:11pm
' "They should live like other minorities," added Mir ' Like third class citizens, if I understand him correctly.
Kdspirited Aug 22, 2012 03:11pm
But they dont kill Muslims for their faith or stop them or anyone else from going to their places of worship. Also no one ever stops muslims from entering churches or temples. There is no comparison. As for the hijab if westerners are asked to wear burqas and naqabs when they go to saudi then they have a right to ask people who live in their country by their rules. If they dont like it they should leave
guest Aug 22, 2012 03:12pm
How many factions Pak Muslims have?
Vineeth Aug 22, 2012 03:22pm
It is a strange dichotomy that Hindu fundamentalist groups are most happy if Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs are considered Hindus by law in India. But Muslim fundamentalists are most happy if the rival sects are declared 'non-Muslim' by law.
emaan Aug 22, 2012 03:32pm
Salam,rather banning their entry into political,economic and other administrative streams,u should better pray to Allah not to give them brains in their skulls.So that they will not be able to learn and participate in any activity or field.Salute to ur thinking.(alas)
saj Aug 22, 2012 03:34pm
bhai, if the west is wrong in case of burqa do we prove ourselves to be even worse by stopping Ahmadis from Praying. Which Islam are we following? The cursed conditions of the so-called Muslims of Pakistan will NOT improve unless they are become more tolerant.
tahir Aug 22, 2012 03:39pm
Could they not pray in the other numerous mosques of Rawalpindi? What's wrong with praying in any other mosque?
Shahida Khan Aug 22, 2012 03:45pm
Dear ignorant, How would you feel if the same treatment you just suggested is meted out to Muslims in India, Europe or North America by their respective governments? All you intolerant people will block all roads on Friday (your favourite day to protest on all (non)issues), and start shouting how Muslims are being persecuted there. Kindly grow up and accept other people's right to practice their faith 'cause your senseless and unintelligent rhetoric is doing nothing but giving a bad name to our religion.
Najam Saeed Aug 22, 2012 03:49pm
I am a Sunni Muslim and have lived in the United States for 30 years. We have build masjids, say Namaz and prayers there, hold various Muslim events, and visit Islamic Centers without any fear, hesitation and restrictions where majority of the people are non-Muslims. I have personally attended Eid prayers in a prayer hall that the Community had rented from the Christians in a Church. It did not happen only once but many times. This article made me sick and sad. Why are we so intolerant and self-righteous. Ahmadies should be allowed to say there prayers the way they want in their prayer halls (I would rather call it Mosque but it will upset some people). Why can’t we live in harmony with mutual respect for each other? I wonder how we will be questioned on the day of judgment for such outrageous, angry, intolerant behavior.
Abdullah Aug 22, 2012 03:53pm
i think the rawalpindi businessman is right! No NOC no worship place! similarly there should be no sunni worship places and no shia worship places without NOC! religion should be regularized/ controlled by leaned government approved scholars...!!! Every worship place should be authorized by government and every Priest/ Padri / Imam / whosoever the religious cleric be should pass a Government Exam! It should be online test like GAT/GRE and only those passing should be allowed to lead a prayer.....because these twisted half cooked imams are the ones spreading hate and intolerance in the society.....these government exam cleared scholars should be posted to different mosques and should be given proper salary including perks and privileges.....only then intolerance and peace would come t our society......nowadays anyone who has got a beard, fakes praying five times a day in mosque without knowing the true meaning of islam can give a fatwa......wat a shame...........Think Big Pakistan....!!!
Singh Aug 22, 2012 03:53pm
This is an interesting story. Muslim residents of Joshimath in Uttarakhand offered Eid namaaz (prayers) on Monday in a gurdwara (Sikh temple), after being invited in by its head priest, according to the local media. There is no mosque or idgah in Joshimath, a town perched above the Alakhnanda deep in the Garhwal Himalayas. Usually its 800-odd Muslim residents offer namaaz at the town's Gandhi Maidan, a public ground. On Monday, however, Gandhi maidan had turned into slush. It had been raining heavily for several days and Eid, the festival day too dawned in a downpour. The Muslim community was struggling with the problem when the head of the local gurdwara sent a heart warming message to them- The Muslims could use the main hall of the gurdwara for offering namaaz. Look at the irony, on other hand, in an Islamic Country called Pakistan, Ahmadi's are not allowed in a Mosque. Than Pakistanis claim that Muslims are being persecuted in India. In Golden Temple, Amritsar, a Muslim can not only go but will be offered food every day at any time where as a Sikh cannot enter Mecca. Everyday, Sikhs in their prayer say : Awal Allaha Noor uppya, kudrat ke saab bande. Ek noor se sab jag upjaya kon bhale kon mande. Muslims in return call Sikhs Kafir.
Laeeq, NY Aug 22, 2012 03:59pm
We should check all the mosques in Pakistan to see how many of them have a proper Certificate of occupancy from their local government authorities.
MG Aug 22, 2012 04:00pm
Shame on us for using our religion as a tool against humanity. Shame on us.
Nadeem Aug 22, 2012 04:03pm
What an oxymoronic statement! Its exactly this bigoted mindset that is the curse of this nation.
emaan Aug 22, 2012 04:04pm
Ok,sir,tell me ,"is there any use of term masjid in aiwan e tuheed i.e name of worship palce?"Does this not comply with the constitution of pakistan? as is said in article that it hinders ambulances' passage ,in my humble opinion before writing this article if the writer had visited the palace in person,her veiws could have been different.Because during whole tenure of my job at holy family hospital,i never witnessed any ambulance taking that route.There is such a channeling of streets and ways that one can go to hospital via next or back street without getting perturbed by even a single second delay .Secondly,this street is merely 300 meters in length,only disturbing a few families only for maximum one hour in a week .Even they can wander about after security checking.So in reality,this issue is no issue.take care
Fahim Aug 22, 2012 04:12pm
Does not matter who you are and which god you pray, everyone in Pakistan should have the equal religious freedom. Indeed this act by police banning Ahmadis to pray in a mosque they own is biased and racist and goes against Islamic teachings.
Athar Aug 23, 2012 01:32pm
May I request you to prove your identity as the person authorized to give certificates on who is Muslim and who is not ??? Leave God's matters to him. Dont confront Him by becoming a God. Your society is already seeing the results of the same..
Zafar Malik Aug 22, 2012 04:20pm
No matter what Ahmadis do Mullahs or their brain-washed followers will never be satisfied. They always keep coming up with new demands to make their lives more miserable. I am not an Ahmadi, but I can feel how they feel, "insult is being added to injury" every day" by our pious "Muslims" . Pakistan is already on the path of Self-destruction, but it is still not too late. Lets clense our hearts and minds of hate and self-righteousness, let develop some compassions and love for others and let God be the god, lets stop play God.
Rahul Aug 22, 2012 04:32pm
I think they should converted to Buddhist. Coz in buddisht there is no religion. Buddam Saranam GOchami.
A. Gowher Aug 22, 2012 04:37pm
How would Muslim feel if Europe, Australia, America and Canada barred Muslims to go to their mosques for prayer.??
Qasim Aug 22, 2012 04:46pm
Only the Mirzai's advocate to have a prophet of their own therefore they are not Muslims. No other minority or religion claim that there is prophet after Muhammad (PBUH). As long the Mirzai's don't accept Muhammad (PBUH) as the the last prophet they should be treated as non-Muslims. You cannot be Muslim and blaspheme at the same time.
Pathanoo Aug 22, 2012 04:47pm
I would love to send these hate filled fanatic Sunnis and Mullahs to the western countries and then be told how they can pray, where they can pray and whom to pray. How would they like that? They are the first bloody screamers about oppression of the Muslims in the western countries while the fact is that NO MUSLIMS ARE OPPRESSED IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES. THEY HAVE THE FREEDOM TO WORSHIP, CONTEST ELECTIONS, START ANY BUSINESS, HAVE A CAREER AND ARE ABSOLUTELY EQUAL TO ANY OTHER CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR RELIGION. SHAME ON THESE SUNNIS AND MULLAHS PROHIBITING THE AHMADIAS FROM PRAYING AND TELLING THEM THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS. WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE THAT AND ON WHOSE AUTHORITY? SHAME!!!! SHAME!!!! SHAME!!!!!
Devendra Aug 22, 2012 04:49pm
Devendra Aug 22, 2012 04:50pm
Dear Chaudhry, Try getting off your brain once in a while so it can breath.
Devendra Aug 22, 2012 04:52pm
Are you related to Zeeshan and Chaudhry? You must be. If not Pakistan's future is darker than even I could imagine.
nasir khan Aug 22, 2012 04:53pm
What a contrast between the so called champion of Islam and Sickhs community in India. During the last Eid day there was lot of rain in Indian held Kashmir, consequently became difficult for the muslim to offer their Eid Prayers in the open, where they have been offering prayers for quiet sometime. On this the sickhs community offered their temple to the muslims to offer their eid prayers, and the muslims did offer the Eid prayers in their Temple, and here the Ahmadies in thier own country in their own place of worship could not offer their Eid prayers due to the so called Champion of Islam around them and saying of the prayers injures their religious sentiments. The irony of the matter is the Holy prophet of Islam has been offereing muslim worship place to the delegation of Najran ( christians) who came to meet him, while here the so called champion of Islam and the so called followers of prophet Muhammed are denying the worship place to thier own fellow citizens to offer Eid Prayers. May God save this Nation from this wrath.
Athar Aug 23, 2012 01:30pm
In the same constitution there are countless claws that suggest police to safeguard life and property of its citizens... Any explanation to that ... Aren't they only hyper-active when it comes to stopping Ahmadies from Eid Prayers or demolishing Ahmadi minarates ???
Hindi Aug 22, 2012 04:58pm
You are bonkers, mate.The Ahmadhiyas can call themselves Muslims if they like. No one has the right to challenge their statement. The virus of Sunni bigotry will set Pakistan ablaze soon. Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan.this could be the salvation of basket case Pakistan.
Abdul Majid Aug 22, 2012 05:03pm
This is an utterly non-Islamic act. In Islam the mullah is 'haraam'. I have never heard what the Ahmedi view is. Let us hear an honest debate in the so-called free Press.
Indian Aug 22, 2012 05:22pm
Good going Pakistan. Same is expected from you.
Babar Aug 23, 2012 01:28pm
Excellent Thought .
RAJKIE Aug 22, 2012 05:43pm
Shahzad Salam Kasi Aug 22, 2012 05:47pm
Who are you to ask Ahmadis called them Non-Muslims?
Suhail Anjum Aug 22, 2012 05:54pm
There is a conspiracy going on internationally to present Pakistan as intolerable society for non Muslims. For the last few months what’s happening to Hindus, Shias and now Ahmadis and is a chain of events. Know your enemies within your ranks; otherwise our enemies within us and abroad will destroy Pakistan like other Muslim countries. We even don’t have fuel for one week to fight with anyone.
Mr.T Aug 22, 2012 06:02pm
First if you are so worried about nikab, what in world you doing in france, goto saudi arabia. Secondly it's their country they are passing the law not to wear niqab, they are not prohibiting to goto mosque (yet). They are passing the law not forcing the law, if you don't like it then leave it. Please answer my reply "pakistani channels per koun say so called muslims ya pakistani shows may koun saa deen promote kar rahay hai ? or koun aisa hai jo in ko oppose kar raha hai?
Obaid Aug 22, 2012 06:03pm
My dear Ahmed, France bans all public displays of religion not just Islamic. I've lived in the U.S and now in Canada. Shame on you to compare the situation faced by minorities in Pakistan to how minorities are treated in the west. Try to accept reality. There is no conspiracy, stop living in a delusional state.
amd Aug 22, 2012 06:04pm
don't treat Ahmadis like untouchables please treat them like human beings
shaukat Aug 22, 2012 06:07pm
What right do you to question any ones faith. It is people like you who have destroyed our country.
Mullah Nasrallah Aug 22, 2012 06:18pm
Everything need not be compared, BUT How are you even comparing the law banning the niqab to people not being allowed to offer prayers ? If France was disallowing muslims from offering prayers, then, you have a point to compare. AND two wrongs do not make a right..... learn to let go and pray to god, for your sake. he knows how to deal with others.
Jawwad Aug 22, 2012 06:30pm
Shame shame shame shame, that's all I have to say. Who are you to decide who is Muslim and who is not?
Cyrus Howell Aug 22, 2012 06:36pm
Everyone wants to be special.
Laeeq, NY Aug 22, 2012 06:39pm
Day is not too far when only religion of the land will be sunni muslims. Rest need to find a refuge somewher else. If today are Ahmedies, tomorrow will be christians and then shias and then hindus.
Cyrus Howell Aug 22, 2012 06:44pm
Two years ago a young Bangladeshi woman in London told me her group does not care to socialize with Pakistanis because they are too belligerent and "warlike" for them to socialize with. So much for the dating scene.
Cyrus Howell Aug 22, 2012 06:47pm
Because it is not about religion, it is about competition.
Cyrus Howell Aug 22, 2012 06:50pm
In a way that is true. The are a failed sect who wanted to be the leaders. Everyone wants to be better than everyone else. Ego does not allow brotherhood.
Laeeq, NY Aug 22, 2012 06:53pm
Well France thought the Hijjab is a restriciton on the freedom of women rights, and thought it is backward and does not fit to their culture. They made the law to ban it and that is their country and they can make the laws they want. What about Pakistan? Does its constitution allows to practice its religion the way you want? Does it allow to build churches, mosques , mandars, gudwaras? If not then it is ok to prohibit to build these places of worships. Does every one abide by the law of the land? Can some one investigate how many mosques are in a one square mile of urban development which are built with the permission from the local citiy governments and have their projects approved by the proper authorities? Let's think other way around. What if this place of worship was the some other muslim sects? Will it be ever closed by the authorities?
Cyrus Howell Aug 22, 2012 06:54pm
I don't believe they can do that. Chances are good that. Non Muslim status would make them even more vulnerable. Muslims would not keep their end of the bargain. Maybe you would. Others would not.
Cyrus Howell Aug 22, 2012 07:01pm
Living for the Next World is ruining This World. Islam now can only warn and punish.
Shams Hasan Aug 22, 2012 07:12pm
Mr. Khokhar, if you are jusitfying it by saying that “Local residents object to their activities and say that Block-E is a residential area and should be treated as one", then have local residents demolish all mosques in residential areas. Lets see you support that. Mr. Sharjeel, based on your statement that: “We object to Ewan-e-Tauheed and all that it stands for because it was acquired through illegal means" where is your objection on Lal Masjid? Everyone knows that it was acquired through illegal means and sits on unauthorized property. Let me see you go and attack that. Bunch of hypocrites you all are. Islam teaches tolerance and respect for all. All these mullahs and political parties are a disgrace to Islam. Shame on all of you. For the record, I am not a Ahmedi. I am a Muslim practising the Sunni faith.
Neeraj Aug 22, 2012 07:24pm
Keep harping on conspiracy theories, however, it aint going to do no good for Muslims.
Neeraj Aug 22, 2012 07:27pm
Bigotry at its best.
Abdullah Hussain Aug 22, 2012 07:30pm
I think the authority did the right thing by stopping the Qadiyanis from praying at Ewan-e-Tauheed thus avoiding an imminent danger of another foreign inspired terror attack. The authority has helped avoid hate propaganda against Pakistan
ABB Aug 22, 2012 07:46pm
Pakistan should change it's names to Sunistan, Hindues should moves to India, Christains should moves to America, Shia should moves to Iran and Ahmdyia should moves to Canada or USA and let Sunnis brothers and sister lives peaceful life in Sunistan God Bless All of you
taranveer Singh Aug 22, 2012 07:50pm
shame what is happening in Pakistan. people are even not allowed to pray. that's peak of intolerance. on the other hand in India in city joshimath of utrakhand on day of eid when eid ground was filled with water due to rain, 800 Muslims prayed at gurdwara hall.
Joe Aug 22, 2012 07:52pm
Nonsense. If anyone is peaceful, he or she deserves full rights of citizenship in a democratic society. And only in a democratic society can a person freely feel the depth of his or her faith, without fear or coercion. You can pass all the "laws of god" you want; but some person (who is not god) will interpret those laws for you. And fanatical mobs will enforce them. See if you can find a better idea.
Sauron Aug 22, 2012 08:08pm
yeah.. the whole world is out to get you. France bans ALL religious symbols, not just islamic ones. And they only give you a fine, not gun you down.
Haroon Aug 22, 2012 08:12pm
intorlance, intorlance, intorlance. As am Pakistani, as Muslim and as Sunni I fell ashamed of these acts and replies of many readers in the comments section.
oakville1958 Aug 22, 2012 08:21pm
It is absolutely pathetic! Who are we to judge who is a muslim and who is not! In the eyes of Allah, we are all His creation and thus, should not be denied access to the prayer hall, where we can offer our prayers. I would rather have a Ahmadi or an actual non-muslim coming to the mosque, than a so-called muslim who does not follow the teachings of Islam and commits horrendous crimes. This kind of behavior is exactly what holds us back from progressing - what is so difficult to understand that the mosque is really the Lord's House and everyone should be welcome to attend. Let us focus on more important issues - for God's sake, let us move forward.
kmjumani Aug 22, 2012 08:24pm
Huzrat Muhammad saleh Allah Wasallum PBUH does not need recogntion or protection from Mullahs ---Islam is not threatened by having fractions we have fractions no one including the mullah's have a right to make people practive their version of Islam--- they do call themseves Muslim there are examples in all relegions of breakaways that have variations in practive but then they belong to tolerant world not to our ignorant political and spiritual leaders where is our tolerance that prophet of Allah talke to us We are even killing his grandchildren's people when are we going to wake up and make some sense out of our fanaticism:;; The Birtish sent all crooks to Austalia may be we should come up with a far away Island for the intolerant
Jamal Afridi Aug 22, 2012 08:34pm
But remember also that Ahmadis are non muslims and has nothing to do with islamic values and faith so why should they use Islamic terms and deceive others in the name of Islam? They have two options; either come back to islam and leave the falsehood of Mirza ghulam ahmad Qaidyani or accept the reality that the whole Islamic Ummah have declared them non muslims in 1974. Case closed
Noorel Haque Aug 22, 2012 08:51pm
Zeeshan you are obviously a bigoted Muslim who probably prays five times and preaches to others whilst taking bribes, robbing the poor, live a life of lies and the rest. It is because of ignorant Pakistanis like you that the country has become a failed state.
Noorel Haque Aug 22, 2012 08:53pm
Chaudhry you think you are a good muslim but unfortunately you are worst than a worst Kafir.
Noorel Haque Aug 22, 2012 08:57pm
When will the majority of Pakistani Muslims will learn to accept that they are not as great as they think, when will they learn that they are the most ill informed, illiterate and ignorant people who belong to the dark ages. All these so called Muslims should understand that they are not the judge, god will be the judge of us all and not Pakistani Muslims. Wake up before it is too late.
Noorel Haque Aug 22, 2012 09:02pm
That is because it is one rule for one and one for a 'non muslim', no wonder Pakistani Muslims are probably the most hated persons in the world but then again how would these bigots know, they have probably never left their village or spoken to a 'non muslim or non Pakistani' in their lives. Grow up before it is too late. Oh by the way, I am not an Indian or Ahmadi or a 'non muslim' I am simply a good muslim originally from Pakistan who lives in a Christian country and how wonderful it is not living in 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan'
Noorel Haque Aug 22, 2012 09:04pm
A failed state, simple
Dipak Aug 22, 2012 09:07pm
Ahmadiyas are as much Muslims as any sunnies and Shias and supported Jinnah just like other Muslims. Pakistan constitution needs to be changed as ZAB was not that smart.
Joe Aug 22, 2012 09:09pm
Sure, everything is conspiracy against Muslims. Even when Muslims are targeting and persecuting minorities it is still a conspiracy against Muslims.
Naveed Aug 22, 2012 09:22pm
What about Sunnis and Shiites and Wahabis declare themselves non Muslims too? As far as I know, none of them existed in the times of the Prophet peace be upon him.
Rashid Minhas Aug 22, 2012 10:18pm
Enjoy the current politics and the main stream economy! If you had little wisdom left you could have thought atleast once before making this statement. But because you are blind as it says in the Holy Quran (chapter 2 verse 19), you cant see the dismal status of politics and the economy in our country.
Rashid Minhas Aug 22, 2012 10:19pm
Secondly you wonder why so much disorder in Pakistan; if drones will not kill you, Taliban will, and inflation will not break your back, lack of power will. The list goes on and on.......Bottom line is no society can prosper without absolute justice, if ther is no justice ad peace for weaker tha no one is immune of injustices and no one is safe either. Look how much the most powerful in Pakistan have to spend for their own security now a days. These basic principals are not western rules, but these are the beautiful teachings of the Holy Quran, but how would you know that. When was the last time you opened that Holy Book and pondered over its meanings. Probably you had better things to do, you were busy in attacking a christian colony to kill an 11 year old suffering from Down syndrome-who cant even read, claiming that she burnt the verses of the Holy Quran, or banning people from worshiping Allah the Almighty, because they belong to different sect, or killing shias.
Rashid Minhas Aug 22, 2012 10:20pm
If you had any brain or wisdom left, you could understand that this is the wrath of Allah and you as a society have so many countless problems that you dont find any way out. The solution is in the Holy Quran, but only if you could read and understand it and could only know how much sympathy, love, and comassion the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had for mankind!!!!!!!
Mustafa Aug 22, 2012 10:26pm
Excellent article. I strongly believe Ahmadis or Qadianis follow a man who misled them but at the same time I believe no one has a right to call them non-Muslim because they recite the same Kalimah when reading At-Tahi-yat as we all do and once you say Kalimah Shahadah just from lips, you are a Muslim. There is a story from Hadith that during a war one of the companion of the Holy Prophet was fighting a Qurraish Kafir and he dropped him on ground and sat over his chest about to kill him with his sword. At that moment the Qurraish said "La Illaha Illal Lah" but the companion still killed him. When the Holy Prophet heard the story, he became very upset and called his companion and asked him why he killed the man after he said "Kalimah". The companion said "He said Kalimah for fear of me to save his life". The Holy Prophet asked him "Did you go inside his heart and see that he said Kalimah for fear of you?" (Continued on next post.)
AsimCO Aug 22, 2012 10:26pm
Ahmed Lets stop pointing at others and fix our house. This is not Paris, its your country. Worry about that first. I just dont understand why we are not able to at least acknowledge our issues and follow the first gut instinct of pointing to others. How much more darkness we must fall into before we realize the troubles at home?
Mustafa Aug 22, 2012 10:29pm
(to continue from last post) The lesson is no Muslim has a right to declare anyone as Non-Muslim who recites the Kalimah. No one has called Yazid as Non-Muslim despite his worst evil act that is killing of grandson of the Holy Prophet and his dear relatives. Yazid recited Kalimah that we all recite and could not be called “Non-Muslim” despite being killer of beloved grandson of the Holy Prophet. May Allah guide Pakistani Maulanas, Ulemas, Mullahs and Moulvis in the right direction..
AsimCO Aug 22, 2012 10:29pm
Unfortunately, no one really knows what the religion was. They only believe in the indoctrination by illiterate maulvees who learnt from other illiterate maulvees. This is cultural darkness preached as religion. Not the Islam that was brought to us centuries ago.
AsimCO Aug 22, 2012 10:31pm
Better yet, ask how many Mosques have NOCs?
AsimCO Aug 22, 2012 10:33pm
This is the kind of mindset that makes the majority of the nation put our heads down in shame.
AsimCO Aug 22, 2012 10:34pm
Who are you to decide what they accept or not? Should you accept that you are a terrorist first so that the media can leave Pakistan alone?
BNS Aug 22, 2012 10:36pm
My fellow Pakistanis, please get hold of yourself. Even if it is asssumed that Ahmadis are considered non muslims they are still Pakistanis and have every right to offer prayers the way they want, like us. We are getting extremely intolerant of communities other than the majority community. This is not right. Assume if other countries start treating our overseas Pakistanis same way we treat minority communities in Pakistan what will be their feeling?
khan Chacha Aug 22, 2012 10:38pm
What does that mean? If they (Ahmadi),say you (Sunni or what ever) are not Muslims.then it should be fine.(by same logic)
syed Aug 22, 2012 10:44pm
What a shame people are not allowed to practice their religion in Pakistan. It is because of bad policies of Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto that Pakistan continues to suffer.
PAKISTANI Aug 22, 2012 11:19pm
This is the fruit of ten years of Zia-ul-Haq era.
pogo Aug 22, 2012 11:24pm
why muslim think that some one doing conspiracy against muslim ????
Ragu Aug 22, 2012 11:26pm
Why can all 'minorities' convert to Islam and we can have peace and tolerance in all of Pakistan.
uthmanmalik Aug 22, 2012 11:31pm
our hypocrisy! and we get all worked up when European or Western countries put their safety or building regulations against us :)
Tariq Aug 22, 2012 11:39pm
If Ahmadies are non-muslims then no one is Pakistan a Muslim. The So Called Muslims have the same and even worst attributes then the Kaffar of Mecca. These Official Muslims should read the history and will see that their behavior is worst than the Kuffar of Mecca. The Maulavi has no faith in Allah.
pimmy Aug 23, 2012 12:06am
Madan Aug 23, 2012 12:11am
What is bad that is not happening in Pakistan?May god bring some sanity to the troubled nation!
Ahmed Khan Aug 24, 2012 08:41am
I completely agree with the action proposed by Mr. Khurram. Nothing will change in Pakistan until all the Mullahs and religious bigots who impose their interpretation of Islam on all the others, are eliminated totally and ruthlessly! A revolutionary action is the only solution to changing the current intolerant mindset in Pakistan.
ROHIT PANDEY Aug 23, 2012 12:29am
Oh,Mohammed Ali Jinnah where is your 'secular' Pakistan? I think that idea was buried along with Quaid e Azam!
Shamed Aug 23, 2012 12:35am
Image is the new obsession for average internet-savvy Pakistani - not the plight of minorities. Great going with your sense of empathy!
PAKISTANI CANADIAN Aug 23, 2012 12:40am
I feel sorry for Pakistan and its people , where only a hand full of people can see what is happening in the country and where only a few really know the difference between right and wrong .why are we so afraid of other religions or minorities ?why cant we live in peace ? daily we are either killing each other or than destroying our own country with violence . Today even a country like Bangladesh is doing better than pakistan and its TAKKA is doing better than PAK RUPPEE against the Dollar .Soon the way its carring on Pakistanis will have to go to Bangladesh to work and earn extra .Religion and politics should never mix.
Mohammad B Khan Aug 23, 2012 12:41am
I think Ahmadi's should accept that they are Minority,and they are Minority.But that does not mean that they are not muslim.Because nobody has the right and the knowledge to say that he is the real Muslim.This will be decided on the day of judgement .
Laeeq,NY Aug 23, 2012 12:58am
Unfortunately they pray the way other Muslims do, they read the Quran the other Muslims read, they build their places of worships the other Muslims do. They can not declare them selves non Muslims because they do not have any other religion to follow unless they convert themselves to either christianity or Hinduism.
OMG Aug 23, 2012 01:18am
wow you are very level headed person, please don't come out of the cave, your brain might melt!!!
shair khan Aug 23, 2012 01:37am
asak: This is a very shaefull act. It is not only shame full but agaist the teaching of Quaran. "There is no compulsion in religion" Holy Quran 2: 256 Who are these mullas to say anybody else would pray, when quran tells us clearly there is no complusion. It is upto Allah to judge the people. Why we have become god? Shair Khan
shair khan Aug 23, 2012 01:39am
You are so wrong. What these people have done to deserve this. Please go and read read Quran and see what it tells us. "There is no compulsion in religion" Holy Quran 2: 256
shair khan Aug 23, 2012 01:41am
Jay you are so wrong. If you are a muslim please read quoran and say what quran has to say: "There is no compulsion in religion" Holy Quran 2: 256
Kazim Aug 23, 2012 01:41am
Ahmidis or not, Muslim or not...this country was built on the fair principle of free practice of religion for everyone. Things have changed..where is that Pakistan gone....
Junaid Anwar Aug 23, 2012 01:57am
yes there are masjids and other places of worships in residenial areas but on dedicated plots , its not that you convert houses .
muslim Aug 23, 2012 02:00am
lets just agree for the sake of argument that all minorities in Pakistan are against Muslims and should be dealt with (not nicely, although its not a question of being against or for but just for the sake of argument) and Muslims are doing the right thing by trying to supress them, then why can't the muslims still not prosper in this country ? (please do reply if anybody has answer). That is not because muslims are not wise, just because muslims are not following their religion in a righteous manner. they just follow what they like and disregard what they don't. and muslims should not harm any human in a muslim society as islam teaches them harmony, tolerance and sacrifice and not being intolerant and giving no value to humans. the real problem with muslims are its islamic teacher (maulanas) who for the sake of anything would preach what is not according to the teaching of Prophet (PBUH) or which they like from the original teachings of islam. please think on it and try to revert to the correct teaching of Islam. please correct me if i am wrong somewhere. May Allah help us all in making this world beautiful place to live together. Aameen
T Ahmed Aug 23, 2012 02:04am
Ahmed sahib, there is a special place in hell for individuals like you.
Muhammad saim Aug 23, 2012 02:06am
Mr Ahmed, minorities in western world still have more rights compared to minorities in Islamic countries (at least Pakistan). Naqab ban doesnt mean tht muslims are not allowed to worship freely overthere but here in our land of pure, non muslims have to go through daily torture of kidnapping/abduction and forced conversions (in case of hindus) and blasphemy cases (in case of christians). In west muslims can much more easily pray and perform their religious duties (many muslim sects like Barelvis and shias also take out processions on 12 rabi ul awal and muharram on some selected streets) have u ever seen hindus and Christians take out processions on streets in Pakistan? We have a habit of blaming the west for everything, we however seldom look in our own back yard which is filled with problems which only we i.e. Pakistani muslims can solve.
shan Aug 23, 2012 02:16am
why should Ahmadis accept they are non-Muslim who gives you the rite to call anyone A Non-Muslim. Pakistan and people who believe in such ridiculous things should be ashamed of themselves. Imagine if in the western world they made sure minorities were treated differently, what if Muslims could not call the Adhan or recite the Kalima or freely express their belief what will happen then, you guys would cry foul all day long. Why is it that Pakistanis want all the liberties as minorities living outside of Pakistan but when it comes to their own country they are not willing to give any rites to anyone, the Kafireen are better than Munafiqeen. May Allah guide you to becoming Momineen.
Ernest Bowen Aug 23, 2012 02:52am
Why is it that Islam is always in danger, why is that mullahs or for that matter so Called Muslimen come out fighting for Islam, the Quastion I ask the Muslim is your faith not strong that you always come out defending Islam, Islam is always in DANGER. O YOU MUSLIM OF LITTEL FAITH.
LailaC Aug 23, 2012 02:54am
In Islamabad, same odd reasons about having the right to mosque and paperworks etc becomes such a headache because most areas are dominantly wahabis/salafi resident areas and locals join police in preventing Shia or other minority to prevent them from basic Muslim prayersuch.... As long as you are the majority or funded by saudia, every term and dollar is accepted with the blink of an eye. Quaid -e azam was Khoja Shia, Allama Iqbal from Ahmadi origin and Sir Zafrullah Khan was Ahmadi (Nobel prize winner) and rest of founding fathers were nawabs mostly from punjab, they all got along and made Pakistan into a reality but sadly far from the banner of humanity and equality it was originally based upon. How utterly heart breaking sad.... Afsoos dar Afsoos...
Babar Aug 23, 2012 03:01am
You are avery ignorant person Ahmad. And according to me you area fake Muslim. In fact , I say that you are not a Muslim. No wonder pakistan suffers becuase it has narroow minded bigots like you. You should know that no one has the right to dictate to thers what they should call themselves or how they should pray. Because of idiots like you thousands of Muslims who live in the West are ridulculed and punished. Therefore, for me you are a trouble maker kafir!!! Come and attend the blashphemy law conference in Geneva particpated by Shias, Ahmedis, Christains and Hindus of Pakistan. Maybe you will learn something!!!
Naeem Aug 23, 2012 03:02am
Pakistani constitution is worthless!!! It is discriminatory and written by bigots!!!
asad ullah Aug 23, 2012 03:03am
Qaadyaanis are non muslims minority according to the constitution of pakistan. and if two gatherings, amid security threats, are held in one place than minority shall be advised to shift to other place for eid congrigation, not the majority.. thats what the district/ law inforcement authorities have adivsed....
Naeem Aug 23, 2012 03:05am
The image that Pakistani Muslims put forward is that they have no understanding of Islam and the life and teachings of Prophet Muhammad. They should stop calling themselves Muslims! Period!!!!
Naeem Aug 23, 2012 03:09am
Chaudhry Sahib, you are showing ignorance. Ahmedis call themselves Muslims and are Muslims. It is bigoted people like you who have declared them as non Muslims as if you are Allah!!! They are the most peaceful citizens of this ocuntry. If you did this to a Shia ,he would have roasted you alive!!!
Bob Aug 23, 2012 03:16am
What a country? What a group of sick people? What a constitution for a country? Who allows these crazies to exist? From Police to business people to local community are all intolerant!!!!
Naeem Aug 23, 2012 03:25am
But these jahils do not know anything about Islam or Prophet Muhammad(Peace be Upon Him). They only know how to follow kafir Mullahs!!!
Sakib Aug 23, 2012 03:28am
Shame on all the bigots in Pakistan. You are the reason Pakistan is at the rock bottom in its moral, religious and social existence. Be acceptable and tolerant otherwise you will have no place in history whatsoever.
Qasim Aug 23, 2012 03:34am
A nation who is not fit to rule a country.this nonsense is proof of that.we are muslim but compare the behaviuor of infedel America towards weeks in his country and then weigh your behaviuor with your minorties.
jahanzeb Aug 23, 2012 03:34am
can't agree more......
Zaa Kiani Aug 23, 2012 03:35am
Eid Mubarak to all muslimeens So many friend said happy eid to me and talked about Islam ,Quran and the last prophet of Islam Muhammad (PBUH). I never saw any friend of other faith at eid prayer ? I am confused at ahmadi that they are follower of so called missiah,and missahi go to church on Sunday they never think a prayer with Muslims. So it is time for ahmadi to have what they are, and they are cristians followers of church of England . And please ahmadi leave muslimeens alone, We follow Allah and the last prophet of Allah and the Quran . For you is your faith and for us is ours .
RSS Aug 23, 2012 03:37am
Ahmadis lie against Gods word. No sympathy should be shown them. May Allah guide them to the right path.
Sada-e-hindustan Aug 23, 2012 03:38am
Dear faiza, you are doing a great job for the minorities in pakistan. I think you are only one of the kind over there. You should be made the head of the minority commission. I would appreciate if you help in freeing sarbjeet and other war prisoners of india in pakistan jails for over 40 years. Just imagine their plight. I think those responsible for keeping them there don't deserve to be called humans, let alone pakistanis.
RSS Aug 23, 2012 03:39am
Ahmadis should be educated the truth about their history and false beliefs.
Abdullah Aug 23, 2012 03:39am
Did the Najarani Christians make a worship place of their own and call themselves muslims ?
Shahbaz Khan Aug 23, 2012 03:41am
Najarani Christians of that time were closer to the Muslims, then the Ahmaddiyaa are. Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq (RA) fought and killed the impostor prophets. The difference in between Ahmadiyaa and Christians is vast. So yes a lesson is indeed learned from that noble gesture. But that does not mean we should start letting polytheists, Atheists, satanists or those that call Allah a liar in His house. Enough said, Although what the government is doing to the Ahmadiyaa community is truly criminal. They should have equal rights in the eyes of a secular government, because Pakistan was made a Muslim nation with a secular agenda by the Jinnah. Thus it behooves the Government to protect all its citizens and ensure they have same freedom of practicing their religion and way of life.
RSS Aug 23, 2012 03:41am
I guess we muslims are not doing a great job making Ahmadis understand how wrong they are. Our mullas/militants are busy fighting each other.
Ali Aug 23, 2012 03:43am
Only one question, where the money is coming from to support Ahmediya movement, its TV stations and more importantly for its establishment all over the world. Follow the money.
Shujaat Hussain Aug 23, 2012 03:47am
Ahmadi in Pakistan 2% of total population of Pakistan.Due to thier different opinion about thier religious from rest of population they are not allowed to pray in other than thier worship places.If they accept islam and believe on last prophet their will be no problem for pray.However thier pray should not harm to any body but our society need show tolerence for minorities
Hitesh Aug 23, 2012 03:48am
The Best joke for this Eid : "We believe in coexistence. In fact countless Christians live in Rawalpindi and we live in harmony, "
Ernest Bowen Aug 23, 2012 03:50am
who do you think you are to say Ahmadis should accept that they are Muslim or Non Muslim, basically you are not even hyumn never mind Muslim
imran Aug 23, 2012 04:01am
Ahmediyas accept themselves they different than Non Ahmediya they follow their own Prophet Mirza Sahib who is currently in London. Then how com they call them self Muslims and Pray in Mosques. If they are Muslims they can joins their muslim brothers in mosques which are common for all the muslims.
Arun Aug 23, 2012 04:03am
Have Muslims now invented their own caste system? Where Ahmadi's are untouchables?
zahid Aug 23, 2012 04:12am
There is a ayat in the Holy Quran "there is no compulsion in religion". Please heed to that if you believe in the Holly Quran and prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Islam teaches us TOLERANCE. Can anyone define, who is a muslim?
aaaa Aug 23, 2012 04:39am
Ahmadis are Non Muslims so I fail to understand why they even want to pray with people of different religion. FYI MUSLIMS beleive that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last prophet, where as Ahmadis beleive MIrza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyni to be the last prophet.
aaaa Aug 23, 2012 04:39am
Ahmadis are Non Muslims so I fail to understand why they even want to pray with people of different religion. FYI MUSLIMS beleive that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last prophet, where as Ahmadis beleive MIrza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyni to be the last prophet.
Rafi Aug 23, 2012 04:53am
Why .....??????
Rafi Aug 23, 2012 04:57am
No "sympathy " for Christians Hindus Zoroastrian Sikhs Buddhists Jains communists atheist and all those who don't follow Islam....... Should we include aliens from mars also. Nice way to spread the word of Allah and his messenger.
Sibgatullah Aug 23, 2012 04:58am
Atleast they didn't pretend that they were Muslims!!!
Ahmed Sultan Aug 23, 2012 05:00am
In India one Gurudwara allowed Muslims to offer Eid prayer. Learn from your neighbours.
Vineeth Aug 23, 2012 05:06am
It is an interesting dichotomy that Hindu fundamentalists are very happy if the Indian law declares Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs (who reject the Vedas) as Hindus, but Muslim fundamentalists are most happy if the Pakistani law declares rival Muslim sects who swear by the Quran as non-Muslims.
Vineeth Aug 23, 2012 05:15am
Can't say I agree to that. Pakistanis may have their reasons to imprison Sarabjeet, like we do for Kasab. I do not think Sarabjeet innocently strayed across the border as the Indian govt would have us believe. Remember that Surjeet too admitted that he was an Indian spy.
Vineeth Aug 23, 2012 05:24am
It seems an irony of history that a religious group who swear by Allah and the Quran have greater freedom to practice their faith in 'Hindu-dominated' India than Islamic Pakistan. According to Indian law Ahmadis are Muslims (as they declare that there is no God but Allah, and that Muhammad is his prophet), and can call their places of worship as 'Mosques'. I have seen many 'Ahmadiyya' mosques in my area.
@babaanalog Aug 23, 2012 05:24am
yes............that's what we say
@babaanalog Aug 23, 2012 05:34am
what is wrong is wrong ahmedis are wrong what wrong happpening to them was just a reaction to their wrong actions cause and effect
Shahzad Salam Kasi Aug 23, 2012 05:41am
You can think that way. Ahamdi's have every right to pray the way they want to. By the way, what's the definition of Muslim ?
Shahzad Salam Kasi Aug 23, 2012 05:43am
What happened on 28 May, can't you remember !! Its upto us how secure we want our worship places. You can leave your worship places for Terrorists.
Shahzad Salam Kasi Aug 23, 2012 05:43am
Cali Aug 23, 2012 05:44am
I have a modest suggestion: All minorities (Hindus/Sikhs/Ahmadis/Christians/Deobandi/..... should allow and welcome praying other communities at their facilities AND pls invite any majority folks as well. I am not a social thinker, but this may send a msg that is the need of this hour. Pls try it and i DO believe it will work.
Convert Buddaist. Aug 23, 2012 05:50am
I was Muslim until 2 years ago, I have converted to Buddhism. It is the only philosophy in the world that offers peaceful existence. However, I am very disappointed with Budhist acts in Burma and Sri Lanks. I hope they don't represent Buddhisms. I denounces any religion that oppress. I hope more Muslim will look outside the box.
disgusted Aug 23, 2012 05:50am
No sunni worship.. man you are committing Blashmey.. they will kill you.
EQ8Rhomes Aug 23, 2012 05:52am
If Shia and Ahmadiya are not counted as TRUE Muslims, then there can't be1.5 billion muslims in the world,right?
Kashif Aug 23, 2012 06:12am
Problem is that everyone here is not understanding the incident described by the author. No one here is trying to stop praying Ahmedis. in fact they were willing to change the site of Eid prayers most likely due to intense law and order situation. As mentioned in the article that this mosque was built 14 years ago that means these Ahmedis are praying there. so please dont build up your own wrong and prejucied beleifs or emotions on such incidents, this phenomenon is itself radicalism . Ahmedis are muslims or not it was decided by the constitution no need to discuss it further. If someone comes and says that I am prophet and believe on me, although I know by my religion the fundamental point that Muhammad (p.b.u.h) is the last prophet so how can I regard this person as Muslim??
manish Aug 23, 2012 06:13am
in india,GURUDWARA kept his door open for Eid offering at joshimath uttarakhad,bcoz theres no mosque at this place. really it happens only in india
raika45 Aug 23, 2012 06:19am
No one is clicking on your comment. It has put the Muslims in Pakistan in an embarrassing and awkward situation. Muslims reciting namaaz in a Gurudwara? Toba, Toba.
Ch Taimoor Aug 23, 2012 06:29am
Who is Sharjeel Mir, President of Anjuman-e-Tajiran, to decide? May be the situation is similar to the one Hindus facing in Sindh. The place of worship is located in good locality and has good market value so may be an alliance between land grabing mafia and mullahs
Somia Aug 23, 2012 06:33am
You are right Kashif, keep on believing in that but let me know what should I do if do not belief in that.You are right and the rest are wrong. Have you ever thought of that you might be wrong and the other are right. Then there will be no voilence in Pakistan.
Azwar Aug 23, 2012 06:34am
I do not understand how we Pakistani's think, it really is shameful to say the least. Tolerence where has it gone,without bring religion into it, I still believe that we are not acting as Human beings at all. What we are doing each other on daily basis is more than enough to hang any sanes person head in shame. Let alone waht we are doing to our minorities, We clap like monkeys when a Hindu boy shown coverting to Isalm on TV, real shame if that was Muslim coverting to Hinduism on TV, Surely they would have burned down half of Pakistan. We all have to wake up and not let senseless rules and Bigots to rule us.
Faisal.Z Aug 23, 2012 06:53am
Why you guys always talk about safeguarding Ahmadi's rights? You people are getting pro-ahmadis..
nadir Aug 23, 2012 06:59am
let me get this Dawn headline says "In Pakistan, underground parties push the boundaries",the article reads that Pakistani muslims are partying like crazy, mini skirts, drugs , alcohol,maybe sex with no one to stop them....and this article reads that for some communities in Pakistan, it is illegal to take Allah's name or else they will have to face the wrath of mullahs......explanation please?
Kashif Aug 23, 2012 07:14am
So it is difficult to decide who is right or wrong at individul's level. I belive in religion and religion decides wohever is wrong or right and my religion says that respect minorities and give full rights to them, but until they are minorities. If you break the fundamental law or constitution of any religion and still regard urself as Muslim how can one allow? If u feel u right make your new laws or religion inspite of creating turmoil and fuss by interfering other's religion. Stick to ur religion and dont interfere other's one, this is the rule to avoid violence
Muslim K Aug 23, 2012 07:21am
Ahmadis are non-Muslims so why do they need to offer Eid prayers? They were so classified by the Prime Minister ZAB (Shaheed). They should stop claiming to be Muslims because they do not accept Prophet Mohammed (PBUM) as the last of the prophets, as required by Islam. END OF DISCUSSION!
Shubs Aug 23, 2012 07:28am
So what? And in other news, the Higgs Boson has been discovered, and a robotic rover on another planet is sending us high definition photographs of another world... Wake up to the 21st century, sir, leave fairy tales behind and work to improve your own life and the lives of those around you.
Shafqaat Bukhari Aug 23, 2012 07:30am
All, I have read almost all the comments. First thing as already I have objected this behavior of a handful persons, I again strongly object their attitude and re-affirm that this is not the TRUE ISLAM. ISLAM is the religion that gives full liberty to everybody to worship freely in their sacred places, spend their life according to their wish or religion and also bounds the muslims to protect their lives from danger. Second this; this is really an act of handful people; One should not blame the whole nation for this. If the Muslims are targetted in any part of the world then it is also a handful people who are trying to create an atmosphere of enmity. May I ask how many people spoke on the Muslims killing in Burma or any othe part of the world? Again I am not blaming any state, institution or the country. My point is only this we should not blame the whole nation for the bad deeds of a few extremist. PLEASE AVOID BLAMING THE COUNTRY OR THE NATION; THIS WILL DEFINITELY BRING HATRED FOR THE REST OF THE READERS. MAY ALLAH BESTOW US WITH THE WISDON AND TRUE TEACHINSG OF ISLAM. THANKS.
gul Aug 23, 2012 07:30am
keep in mind that world existance is due to muslim only as per our PROPHET MOHAMMAD SAW
Ikramullah Khan Aug 23, 2012 07:31am
This is shame. Most of our population is being hijacked by very few extremists elements. All of us including my respectable friends who have posted their comments, were if asked to come and raise voice against this injustice will never come out of their coze comfortable environment. I think our society will be on right path if we said yes to right and no to wring very LOUDLY AND CLEARLY.
Naeem Fakir Aug 23, 2012 07:34am
Shami sahib in his program today pointed out that the Mormons are outcasts in Christianity just like the Ahamadis are in Islam, BUT look at it Romney a Mormon is a Presidential Candidate in The USA. Islam is a religion of tolerance, Brotherly love , respect and protection of it's minorities has been the custom . These basic rights afforded to the minorities have not changed what has changed is that we are being infected with the deadly Virus Called "The ignorant Mullah virus". God help us.
Shabut Aug 23, 2012 07:40am
It's a shame. Pakistani society needs a complete overhaul.
WALEED FAKHAR Aug 23, 2012 07:41am
Sada-e-hindustan Aug 23, 2012 07:52am
My dear friend, don't you think sarbjeet has spent enough time in jail ? Be a human and think on behalf of his family ? But this is india where bhagat singh still awaits due respect, who cares for sarbjeet ?
Abdullah Aug 23, 2012 07:53am
so writing comments on a website is dangerous too??????? have they got IT experts to track my think some what ur rite...u can easily trace a location of a internet user and his activities log nowadays.......SAVE ME !!! lol
Dibolic Aug 23, 2012 08:06am
Well done Rawalpindi police!!! non muslims dont pray on eid dude so whats the point of creating all the fuss.Bottom line is that they are not muslims so whats the point
Dibolic Aug 23, 2012 08:08am
i live abroad dont tell me what it feels like, I deal with the racism against muslims everyday
Ali Babba Aug 23, 2012 08:10am
I think you guys are all missing the point if your a real Muslim you will have hatred for the ahmadis not because they are non-Muslims but they have made mirza qadiani a prophet lets not forget what our beloved prophet Muhammad (saw) stated on there last sermon: O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
Dibolic Aug 23, 2012 08:12am
thumbs up well said :)
Shez Aug 23, 2012 08:18am
We are such an intolerant society. In India, Sikhs openeed their Gurdwara to allow Muslims to offer Eid prayers and we cant even let people worship or pray in their own mosques or places of worship.
alko Aug 23, 2012 09:07am
what a shame on u ppl calling them self muslim.did u know what is islam..???blv in 1 god and his last msenger mohammed[s.a.w] in any were u comes from calling them self muslim u cant marge in to be like non muslim.cristian jews.who also blv in god but same like u guys not in mohammed.[s.a.w].and at last y u ppl didnt understand come to reality come to real islam.
alko Aug 23, 2012 09:20am
ahmedia are non muslim.its dont misguide other ppls as minorty u can go to ur own prayers areas either it is mandir church or else
usman Aug 23, 2012 09:22am
Ahmadis are non muslims as they beleive that Hazraat Muhammad PBUH is not last prophet.
Waqas Malik Advocate Aug 23, 2012 09:53am
Its a very uncertain situation where people are being stopped to offer Eid prayer. After this no one can say that thisis same Pakistan who was got in the name of Kalma Tayyaba. No one can say to anyone as Non Muslim if one is not declared themself as Non Muslim. In this regard, Government should take some action and restore all the rights of Ahmadis which are guaranteed by the Constitution.