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The drastic decline of Pakistani minorities

-Illustration by Faraz Aamer Khan.

It is fairly true that some people just do not learn the lessons. Maya Khan, the unprecedented queen of controversial morning shows, quite evidently remains one of them. Whether we talk about her endless stream of crocodile tears shed during the live transmission of her shows or her posse of women running after young couples, Khan certainly knows how to stir up sensation and ratchet ratings.

Khan, popularly known for running after people in the parks, was sacked after a social media campaign was launched against her. However, she was hired by another private TV channel soon for her sensationalism and controversies.

Her recent escapade, which involved converting a Hindu boy on live television, has angered many people. The show revolved around the ritual of conversion and people calling in to congratulate Khan, her team and Sunil, who was later, renamed Muhammad Abdullah.

When asked what motivated him to accept Islam, Sunil responded incoherently about his intentions. Most of his responses revolved around praising Sarim Burney Trust, where he works and supposedly received the courage to change his religion.

I am truly ashamed to have witnessed such a hideous mockery of the two religions. I am appalled to be a part of a society which hails such unjust and unethical practises and deeply saddened to know that minorities are blatantly marginalised on live television while the silent majority lives in denial.

It was ironical to see that not a single caller objected to this ridiculing of religions or safeguarding the rights of minorities living in Pakistan. I am positively sure that at this rate minorities will cease to exist in Pakistan.

It is rather disappointing to see that people such as Khan and Shahid Masood who are best known for gaining popularity through such shoddy tactics are being followed around like deities.

Amazingly, most of us fail to understand that spirituality and religion are matters of personal choices. Advertising and exhibiting religion is neither permissible in Islam nor is recommended by the ethical parameters of any progressive society. The bombardment of Ramazan transmissions featuring religious clerics, public and pseudo-religious scholars-cum-hosts that aim to question and reinforce the concept of faith, are nothing but promotional stunts to fool the public.

When will we learn? Why cannot we see that the only chance of our survival lies in tolerance and coexistence? Why cannot we respect other religions the way we honour Islam? How can a person who disrespects one religion, honour another?

The forced conversions and abductions of non-Muslims living in Pakistan are hushed-up whereas ‘victories’ such as the one we witnessed this week are publicised on national television, further intimidating and isolating minorities.

We talk about atrocities carried out in Indian Kashmir and the Gujrat riots but forget about the minorities who are living in constant fear of their lives, legacies and children. Khan’s show depicted the true picture of people because of whom the non-Muslims population in Pakistan is declining drastically.

Whether the conversion was forced or willful remains arguable, however, we all know how Pakistanis would have responded if a Muslim would have been converted on live television. The ensuing catharsis would have engulfed the entire country in a raging fire; however, the minimal reaction this episode has received just proves that we are a failed society.

Equally if not more, Pakistan’s media ethics are also to be questioned. The code of conduct which is found missing in most of the cases is one of the main reasons why such grotesque shows are approved for broadcast.

Who has given electronic media the right to disseminate such negative propaganda about religion? Is it not more important to address issues related to the suppressed minorities of Pakistan and broadcast messages of peace in harmony during Ramazan?

It is important to understand that unless we learn to live in mutual harmony, we will continue to suffer. The silent majority must rise and reprimand such media houses, producers and anchorpersons who entice masses to laud such medieval practises.

We saw a revolution on social media after Khan’s “chasing couples in park” fiasco and we must continue to raise our voice. The change will take time; however, it will also only be brought about by you.


Faiza Mirza
The writer is a Reporter at Dawn.com

Comments (402) Closed

Jul 28, 2012 09:21am
If any person committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah. As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed and Allah knows best.
Afshan Khan
Jul 30, 2012 08:23am
I saw that on peace TV and we all know very well that indian media and indian mejority couldn't absorb those conversion thats why they did fake propaganda against zakir naik . Secondly people are converting towards Islam all over the world . You can't hide this for a long time.
whats in the name
Jul 28, 2012 09:42am
For me religon is like an inner wear. It should be worn to be protected from the inside not worn outside over the clothes. Only super man wears it. Besides if a religion is great so be it. why do the chest thumping all the time. there are certainly different ways to god. God may be one but different forms. Want proof of that, follow the anology. Energy is the same but in different forms. electrical energy to run fans. mechanical energy to pump water, to run vehicles, heat energy for gysers etc. If there was only one way then there would have to be only one human race, one ethnicity, one language, one fooding habits, one style of clothing . so this clearly indicates even nature, evolution wants diversity. Even within a religion, there are many sects, many subsects, I want some body to educate me. Sun Moon and Truth cannot be hidden for too long. The best thing about speaking truth is one need not remember what he said. Rgds P
dhiraj garg
Jul 28, 2012 09:48am
who is PAK in pakistan ???
Jul 28, 2012 09:50am
Fears within!
Naeem Rana
Jul 28, 2012 09:51am
Hah are you sure ??? - converting some one might not a big problem, hilighting through media to create hatred is a matter of fact Mr. Ahsan sahib.
Jul 30, 2012 05:50pm
"Religion is internal and not external". Belief is internal. The practice of religion always has an external component.
Ajaya K Dutt
Jul 29, 2012 04:43am
The boy is an underage.
Ram krishan
Jul 30, 2012 09:37am
The way conversion was carried out.
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:43pm
Most muslims have a herd mentality. They believe zakir naik who tells them islam is the best religion,inferring others are not as par with Islam. And after all the prayers,they are still the poorest people.
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:47pm
With other religions,the fanaticism is not large as much as with the muslims.
Jul 29, 2012 09:28pm
So why is one more conversion bothering you?
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:45pm
Sindhi Hindus have become millionaires in Indonesia, HongKong, Thailand and Malayasia. They are very intelligent and hard working people. They are second to the Chinese in wealth.
Suraj Tschand
Jul 29, 2012 04:55am
Thanks for writing this article. The whole issue of conversion at this age and time is a non issue. Most of the people of Pakistan are progressive enough to see no value in the broadcast by Maya Khan.
Jul 29, 2012 09:25pm
Muslims are the biggest hypocrites in the world, they are very keen to build mosques in major cities in Europe and North America but will not allow the buildings of temples and churches in Muslim countries. But eventually Muslims pose no risk to other religions world over as more Muslims will be killed by fellow Muslims (as we witness this in Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan today etc.) While other countries will be busy building roads, hospitals, schools and future for their citizens intolerant countires like Pakistan will be living in the dark ages.
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:36pm
No other community follows religion as much as the muslims do. And the result? In every country in the west including UK and India, muslims have the largest share of criminals in jails which is far excess than their share of that country's population. Any reason why?
Jul 29, 2012 08:32pm
Silly question. I guess you don't read the news. Curious, do you live in a cave?
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:33pm
There are 14 million jews and 1500 million muslims. If numbers would be the only thing, jews would be under the sea. But jews control the muslims today and they will do so in future.
Karachi Wala
Jul 28, 2012 10:08am
After reading these kind of stories and witnessing these kind of shows, what comes to mind is, the biggest THREAT Islam faces is not from any other religion or a country but it is from the Muslims all over the world in general and from Pakistani Muslims in particular.
Jul 30, 2012 04:29pm
You keep contradicting yourselves as you go along. Please take a look at reality dispassionately and objectively. Please discern truth from folly: Attrition of the Hindu demographics through conversions is out stripping births, even more so due to the skewed gender discrimination that is endangering the male-female balance nature requires for sustainability.
Jul 31, 2012 01:47pm
Big word - fallacious argument...well, lets begin with Imrans statement, shall we?
Haroon Rooha
Jul 29, 2012 04:03pm
There is no such thing as Hinduism.Ism ,is a set of ideas ,principles philosophy, that are fixed,unchangable cannot be criticised.It is Indology.as a science, there is no conversion, you must acquire KNOWLEDGE,all life ...must follow laws of biology.... a branch of indology.
Aug 01, 2012 03:53pm
She is a minority and no one is trying to convert her. And she is openly writing against the majority in most of her articles. No one is stopping her. Does it not disprove her thesis?
Aug 01, 2012 03:59pm
Maya has done nothing that the writer of this article has not done: Exercised her Freedom of speech.
Jul 29, 2012 09:50pm
Do you mean you fit the description you have given of Pakistani morality? Or are you unique in that you are better than the rest of them?
Jul 29, 2012 09:58pm
Talk shows are reflection of state of society mind set. Senseless religious discussions on all the TV channels in Pakistan do not help a bit in improving moral standards of Pakistanis as is evident from crime rate rise in this holy month beside loot in bazars.The so called religious leaders who appear on TV screens(once called shaitani act by maulvis) have not seen poverty in Pakistan(they are generally over weight) the number one issue that should be high lighted at ever forum. TV channels are comodity markets, dont mind selling Pakistan also.PEMRA and Ministry of Religious Affairs should take serious notice of the unwanted ugly show of conversion.
Jul 29, 2012 10:00pm
Exactly what I was thinking. When the tables are turned the other way round, the buggers demand civil rights, secular governments, tolerance and freedom to practice their own religion. Such duplicity. Really shameful and hypocritical thinking.
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 29, 2012 06:07pm
Antion the hate has always been there, all she has done is to write about it. introspection and reflection have not helped for the past 60+ years.
Jul 30, 2012 08:00am
@ Solitar I'm sure you meant to say 'sensitised to humanity'.
Jul 30, 2012 04:40pm
"A dead nation living with a dead religon and practising Islam without understanding it!!!! " Indeed it is. A false one too. Specially when coming under the name of "Babar".
Imran Ansari
Jul 29, 2012 04:50am
Alas ! Faiza Mirza it is ironical to read the title of your write up "The drastic decline of Pakistani minorities" seems your mind is full of hatred against Islam. Behind the curtain of religion being personal choice you have "The forced conversions and abductions of non-Muslims living in Pakistan are hushed-up whereas ‘victories’ such as the one we witnessed this week are publicised on national television, further intimidating and isolating minorities." Your column is full of bigotry and hatred against Islam it is in no meaning a neutral write up. Alas !
Jul 30, 2012 07:30am
Please re-read the comment by @Zimbo Indian above. he is not saying anything about India here. He is making a valid point. Pakistan is the center if terrorism in the world today. who knows, It may soon even be taken over by fundamentalists in near future. Writing this sort of an article in Pakistan is one of the most courageous thing. If someone does a similar thing in India, it is not special as there is no such big threat to life for an individual. Think if such a similar sort of conversion happens for a muslim in india. you would be one of the first guys to start screaming about it.
Jul 29, 2012 04:41am
Dear Shankar, to pu matters into perspective. Christianity came to India at the beginning of the Christian era. Despite the British presence in India of 200 years and supposed conversions happening today (immensely exaggerated), the Christian percentage have not budged much from 2-3 percent from Independence. Part of the reason may be the almost 100 percent literacy and small families compared to Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs, The Parsis' number have plummeted due to emigration, low fertility, and also 100 percent literacy. (I wish there were more Parsis, not fewer, as they have contributed to Indian progress far moe than their small numbers.) Compare these numbers to those of Indian Muslims - from 10% at Independence to 14 percent today. The negative correlation between literacy rates and family size still applies. (in 1,000 years of Islam's presence in India, the number sof Muslims on the Indian subcontinent has soared to close to 500 million!.)
Jul 30, 2012 05:47pm
"You are going to the wrong direction" (Actually: "You are going IN the wrong direction"). And that is what they have always said about most orignal thinkers, inventors, innovators, and geniuses. Einstein was also told that. What is your point? [PS: Muslims never use the word: “Infidel”. It is not in their book. Those who want to spread false rumors about them often do.]
Jul 30, 2012 05:00pm
“But jews control the muslims today and they will do so in future.” Historically that is a flash in the pan. Muslims are the reason that Jews have survived to this day. Also you are confusing the Zionist with the true Kosher Jew...who is in opposition to them. At the moment Zionist do dominate the world, not just Muslims, but that is through leveraging the US Financial, Commercial, Media, Political and Industrial Complexes. However, the US population is becoming aware, awakened by the Internet and studying Judaisms Scriptures. This domination will not last as the body bags pile up at American homes and jobs become scarce and hungry homeless mobs roam the streets, as happened in Germany not all that long ago.
Jul 30, 2012 04:44pm
"...fear of blasphemy" Blasphemy? More like a series of un-truths and half-truths.
Jul 28, 2012 12:01pm
Without getting into any dispute with you on my IQ, let me say I see your point. God bless you for not wishing Pakistan ill! Let us pray that it does not implode or explode, for that is not in our best interest.
Jul 29, 2012 10:08pm
Excellent and provocative observation. Tv is tv. And maya has done that before.
siddharth saxena
Jul 29, 2012 07:40pm
this is nothing extraordinary,this show in pakistan television made my belief stronger that all muslim in south asia were hindus one time which were converted to muslim or other religions by force or by other incentives.CHANGE of religion happens every day every where including india, but to glamarize it thru live TV can happen only in country which is in clutch of extremisim,on verge of finsihing.more than anything ,its time for pakistan hoi-polloi not to enjoi this religions conversion but to for see the the threat of extremism.Indian muslims must be happy that they are groing in numbers and multiplying in numbers faster than even majority of hindus while minorities in pakistan are reducing faster than any endanger species of animal in universe.Madam congrates for having guts to write such an article.
Jul 29, 2012 10:06pm
Are you implying that she should not be allowed to work, and that she and her family be forced into penury or be made to starve to death, shelterless sleeping on the foothpath in raggs? For providing you a live broad cast od a conversion? What about those who find employement in the manufacture of products that are advertised? Why force cruel tactics. Don't advocate punishment and penalty. Just change the channel and let market forces take over.
Jul 29, 2012 04:31pm
sab maya hai.
Jul 28, 2012 11:44am
Religion is truly the opium of the masses. The only solution for this mess in Pakistan is for Pakistan to adopt a new secular constitution, and dump the concept of Islamic republic. But we all know that nobody can do that in Pakistan as it would be nothing short of political suicide.
Khalid Mahmood
Jul 28, 2012 10:06am
The event has been used or rather abused to generalize all sorts of wrong doings with the minorities. I am for complete tolerance and for giving full opportunities to all minorities and to minority views, including that of Faiza Mirza. But Faiza should not exaggerate. No need to play to this or that gallery.
Jul 29, 2012 04:24pm
I understand the Dahlia society in Murree still has exhibitions.
Asher Rafiq
Jul 29, 2012 04:13pm
Recently in Somalia!!! Christian Minister killed by muslims, Asia Bibi still in jail and hundreds more. These TV Channels are taking Pakitan people to disaster. Minorities are having a very very tough time in Pakistan. The world Know the true image these so called TV anchers are porting that muslims are brutal.
Jul 28, 2012 01:41pm
Give it a rest .. it happens all the time .. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Scientologists, all do it .. go see YouTube. Dr. Zakir Naik does conversions of Hindus on Indian TV and nobody (not even Hindus) cares .. learn from India as we should so many other things .. so don't make it a big deal out of it, if it has happened in Pakistan. So what, if it was shown on TV: FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Yes, I would be the first one to condemn it if this was a forced conversion.
Jul 29, 2012 09:41pm
He is over 20years old. That is a man. A young man, not under aged. Besides his family is aware and respected his conversion.
Jul 29, 2012 09:40pm
got my answer going through the replies.
Jul 29, 2012 09:37pm
Depends from which Caste level he got his freedom from.
Jul 29, 2012 09:37pm
A question, nothing to do with the article. Can someone convert to Hinduism? I thought it was only by birth like jewish.
Jul 29, 2012 09:03pm
Sir if Pakistan implodes India will be overrun by the blood thirsty Taliban hordes. There will be so much bloodshed that 26/11 will be like the memory of a distant picnic.
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:56pm
And then Pakis expect Indians toplay cricket with them,or make peace?
Jul 29, 2012 08:54pm
please all people blame Religon not Pakistan . Pakistan constitution respect minorities . But in religion you will be rewarded if you convert non Muslim to Muslim
Cyrus Howell
Jul 30, 2012 04:15pm
"Nestled among the valleys of Pakistan's mountainous northwest is a tiny religious community known as the Kalash. The Kalash say they are descendants of Alexander the Great’s Macedonian soldiers who passed through the area in the 4th century BC. They have been able to practice polytheism – a belief in multiple deities with its own rituals - without much interference. For generations, the tribe and the country's Muslim majority have co-existed peacefully. But there are now concerns about the future of this ancient culture."
Selena Ansari
Jul 30, 2012 04:04pm
God is testing Pakistan's resolve and the commitment of its people to live ethically, equitably, and free. Only he will decide the result.
Z. A. Baloch
Jul 30, 2012 04:01pm
Absolutely wrong brother. No one knows what God has written on the proverbial wall. Once the Baloch free themselves from the Sardari yoke they will know that they are Pakistan, and Pakistan them. Don't get taken in by the emotions evocked by vested interest. United we stand, divided we fall. The British used this concept to divide us, loot us, and rule us for two hundred years. The sardars, waderas, jagarders, mahrajas and nawabs were their selected slaves, they were their local thandars 'enforcers' on the common man put their by the British. Think cooly my friend. This not the time for confusion, or again centuries of slavery await us. We have suffered much Never again. We are Pakistan..united, strong: ONE.
Jul 30, 2012 05:10am
Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism) is the only religion which believes in humanity before God. Because no one has proof of existence of God but human existence does not require any proof.
Jul 29, 2012 09:36am
Its true . Exceptions are and will always be there in any country. But I am very happy that such things are never and will never be telecast on national TV and applauded as being done in Pakistan. They will be always critisized .That's the difference between Islamic countries and others.
Jul 29, 2012 09:12am
I get the point , Raiha. But here is the thing. Hinduism has its share of problems, no denying that, but issues like caste , gender equality etc are social issues, not to do with its core philosophy which is a very profoundly moving one. sure, caste is recognised as evil and irrelevent now and apart from its prevalence in rital areas, a huge number of urban Indians wholeheartededly condemn it and we are actively working towrads its eradication. Therre is no Hindu clergy that wants tp put it back in place , unlike yours that wants to go back to the dark ages and pro ounces harsh punsihments for All kinds of deterrents . Only politicians expolit caste. By and large Hindus are much slower to anger than do Muslims for whom every reaction is an over reaction and a violent one. This view is universal , even westerners think so.
Jul 29, 2012 08:22am
Well written article.
Naeem Rana
Jul 28, 2012 09:36am
Brilliant write-up by Faiza Mirza. Trends in media is changing day by day with highlights of intolerance, which of course is not healthy sign and will push toward extremism. Pakistan already is on peak of extremism in each part of life i.e., Politics, Religion, education, Casts, terrorism, crime (street crimes to killings). We really need brave people who could highlight these agonies to sensitize people of Pakistan. Thank you Faiza Mirza for your courage to highlight such sensitive issues.
Jul 28, 2012 08:49am
Truly blasphemous ! Whole World know about the situation of Non-muslims in Muslim World. Muslim World denies it and always ask for credible evidences. Now we have evidence and perpetrator of such crimes before the whole World. Is there any GOD to punish such bigots ?
Jul 30, 2012 06:58am
Well maya khan is sick!!!!she didnt even know whar she is going to do. She should be penalised. Well such elements exist in every society but Pakistan has topped all of them. I am a Pakistani National and Muslim by birth and even i am afraid that one day they will ask me to turn into a Muslim or die. That's very sad though.
rk singh
Jul 28, 2012 09:36am
good article.
Jul 28, 2012 08:52am
Better have a religion stock exchange. So that each religion has the follower count on a daily basis. And make God a trading commodity.
Jul 28, 2012 08:52am
Bravo, lady! gutsy of you to tell it like it is! This incident is horrific and sad and if your country continues on this intolerant spree, then good luck to your very existence. Only hope lies in sane voices like yours which must sadly be a miniscule minority.
A K Dutta
Jul 28, 2012 02:38pm
First. Thanks to Faiza for such a bold write-up and thanks to Dawn for publishing this. And Lastly. The TV show depicts that islam is in great peril and its depravity within. That Pakistan and its people have to showcase its state idelogy, Islam, and trade Muhammad and Allah as a commodity through a TV show, expose the unethical and immmoral trait in Islam. It also expose that Pakistanis are a failed society and is mentally ill. No other faith/religion in this world trade their idelogy the way Islam do.
Jul 28, 2012 09:14am
Im all the more proud of my religion Hinduism now. A faith that NEVER focibly converts and willing and ready at all times to accept all pther beliefs and philosphies as legimate, as one should see God in as many ways as possible. And in spite of being a huge majority in India, has tolerantly let all faiths live in harmony. With pakistan doing what it does, why would Islamophobia not grow universsally?
Jul 28, 2012 08:59am
This incident proves how insecure Islam is as an Ideology. THE SO CALLED SILENT Majority of Muslims are also morally Impotent.GOD IN HIS WRATH IS GOING TO DECIMATE PAKISTAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
Afshan Khan
Jul 29, 2012 01:51am
absolutely correct !
Ram krishan
Jul 28, 2012 09:58am
He has chosen Islam , the most peaceful religion in the world , which is full of compassion and love towards non- muslims. Hope he finds happiness . It really does not matter as Pakistan is nothing but a country of converts who hate their former country , its life ,culture and religion.
Jul 28, 2012 09:58am
Well written. The writer is quite 'sensuous' to humanity. However it would have been better if the article were entitled as "The drastic decline of Pakistani Mullaism"
Jul 28, 2012 09:59am
No one can convert to become a Hindu. There is simply no way. You can live like a Hindu if you want to on your own free will. The reality is that there is no ceremony or function in my ritual filled Hinduism to convert anyone else. Infact Hinduism truly believes that the One God can be seen in any form shape and use any name. So according to ancient Hindu knowledge there cannot be anything wrong in Islam's God or Christianity's God to start with. So anyone wanting to convert to Hinduism should be and will be told that this is a silly idea in the grand scheme of HIS universe.
Karachi Wala
Jul 28, 2012 09:59am
Ahsan, I wonder which Pakistan and which Peshawar you live in? It was not longago when Peshawari sikhs raised voice of discrimination and being pushed against the wall. It is another thing that our media did not find it worhty for cashing. Neither did main stream pious Muslims.
Jul 29, 2012 01:29pm
You saw in the indian tv a person converted to a minority religion in that country. Can you imagine a pakistan tv showing the conversion of a muslim to christianity?
Jul 29, 2012 04:44am
Extremely well written article of a balanced mind. Likes of Maya Khans thrive on such shows that thrills a narrow minded society with triumph. Muslim general population has been fooled by their elite from pre independence days with the fears that Hindus will dominate them. Religion card was played to divert their attention from poverty, illiteracy, hunger and disease. It has become even more intense in the last 64 years. That is why a Wadhera in Pakistan represents a peasant or laborer. Overdose of religion and security from India has prevented any revolt from general masses to overthrow corrupt rulers. 18 crore "Awam" is thrilled with victory to convert a Rinkle Kumari or Sunil even forgetting their basic needs. Truly, devout Muslims.
Ajaya K Dutt
Jul 29, 2012 04:46am
If any person committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah. As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed and Allah knows best.
Jul 28, 2012 01:47pm
I second you, Raiha.
Jul 30, 2012 08:11am
Too bad for the country and shameful act for its residents. what worse educated pakistanis who should be against those heinous practices are fighting for superiority and comparison statistics. Come on...common sense says greatness comes with sacrifice, forgiveness and humanity not with feeling of superiority and suppression.. Remember two wrongs dosn't make one right... Be human before anything else...
Gerry D'Cunha
Jul 28, 2012 11:50am
More conversions of of Muslims to Christianity is taking place in India and other places in the world, but they are not advertised on TV or newspapers, as Christianity does not need publicity. By converting one person on ARY channel,Maya Khan and Shahid Masood has made more enemies with Islam and boost the rating for other religions.Maya Khan & Shahid Masood should be honoured a medal for their achievement.
r k sharma
Jul 28, 2012 02:03pm
its not the conversion but the way it was handled and showed on TV is objectionable. it happened in India (mostly hindues to islam) as well but no notice is taken . media is is also culprit
Jul 28, 2012 11:53am
Good to see that there are rational people left in Pakistan willing to write against the fascism taking over. In the future, such discourse will even get shut down on fear of blasphemy.
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:30pm
That is a lie. How many hindus from Pakistan and Bangladesh have migratedto Toronto?
Jul 29, 2012 08:35pm
I would just like to point out, these kinds of things are happening in 21st century, Just imagine what used to happen during the time of Aurangzeb and Babar... Mass Conversion by sword by these evil people must be a common place.. It is upto our Hindu brothers and sisters to raise our voices and educate our people about the past.. Don't be complacent..
Jul 28, 2012 12:25pm
Totally agree with the writer. We should have more of these blogs. Pakistan's media is becoming more and bigoted and intolerant. Even light dramas and sitcoms have a lot of indecent remarks about other religions and a few races.
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:49pm
TRUE 100 percent.
Jul 29, 2012 09:42pm
So is Mafia......Once you go in,you cannot come out... If you try to come out,you will killed by the existing members for betraying you
Karachi Wala
Jul 28, 2012 10:29am
Though I do not know, when it comes to the religion what is exactly happening in India, but I am afraid what you said about Pakistan, " Pakistan, I am sorry to say is on its last legs as a Nation State and a huge implosion is expected to take place at any time." I would have to agree with you.
Jul 28, 2012 12:47pm
Respect for another religion or philosophy can only exist, when a person believes that religions except his own can also be true. Unfortunately that is not the case here. People in our country believe there belief is the only path to paradise and God, and the others have a visa stamped for hell.
Jul 29, 2012 09:36pm
Offcourse, Islam as a religion can't do anything by itself. It has be followed properly to be beneficial both of men and women. It does give all the rights to women but unfortunately we don't tend to follow as these laws don't suit us. Islam is not weak, its we who are. I think same would be probably go for the hinduism as well (not sure about their religious laws though)
Jul 28, 2012 10:11am
Sorry, Ahsan. You have understood Hinduism absolutely wrong. We Hindus will not "rush to embrace" any converting person from other religions to Hinduism. For us religion is a personal matter and we are taught in schools to respect all religions and Hindus (and Indians of all religions too) are more worried about education , jobs, etc. Not that we are not spiritual , but we are never fanatical. Look at the number of Hindus who convert even today of their own free will to Islam and Christianity in India. The newspaper ads on religion and name change will conform to what I say. There are many better things in life to achieve and to strive for rather than be caught in the web of religious fundamentalism. Pakistan, I am sorry to say is on its last legs as a Nation State and a huge implosion is expected to take place at any time.
Asif Ansari
Jul 29, 2012 10:59pm
These observations are related to Faiza Mirza, so why we all fighting to each other with words and with emotions. Religion is one's interest, whose like to be a Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christain or any others. So please don't try to cross another line.
sunil ahmed
Jul 28, 2012 12:50pm
Bravo! faiza
Jul 28, 2012 12:51pm
Absolutely Correct. Muslims are the enemy of muslims
Jul 29, 2012 09:35pm
"Watch all the thumbs down I get from Indians on this one" Yup. They are always all over the page doing that. And you predicted it so accurately.
Jul 29, 2012 09:20pm
@Raiha: So very well said and explained. Very brave of you. Completely agree with you.
Waqas Ahmed
Jul 28, 2012 01:06pm
insane article!!! totally showing the wrong side of the picture!!!! This is not true at all!!!
Wesley S.
Jul 29, 2012 09:14pm
“wikipedia on apostasy...” HA, Ha, he, he...There you go again. Now you are referencing and quoting Wikipedia. You can do better than that. I thought you asked for a scholarly opinion. But enjoy your Wikipedia.
Sam'n Mirza
Jul 29, 2012 11:21pm
Brilliant article! Pakistan definitely needs more discussion about this, and Maya Khan needs to get off TV.
Jul 28, 2012 01:11pm
I think news of changing someone's religion in a country like Pakistan holds no credibility what soever. Recently, some hindu girls were openly abducted and forced to change their religion and marry muslim men. I won't be surprised if news emerge later about this boy being lured into changing his religion on screen for money or perhaps coercion. All of this is a disgrace to our religion and our prophet who were against forcibly changing any one's religion I would like to refer to Surah Kaafiroon here. Another thing that we fail to realize is that changing someone's name or officially converting to Islam is not the essence of the islamic teachings in fact Islam is about changing peoples behavior, thinking and personality just like the followers of Holy prophet were revolutionized and this will not happen until and unless we muslims change ourselves and read and study Quran and Sunnah ourselves and not depend upon religious scholars to guide us to the righteous path.
Jul 29, 2012 11:25pm
My God save Islam from Pakistan and ignorant Pakistanis.
Jul 28, 2012 10:28am
Maya Khan needs to convert herself first to Islam or atleast change her name to a Muslim name, if she is Muslim as Maya is a Hindu name?
Jul 29, 2012 09:26pm
She has a knack for that...mutiplies hate no end as she goes. Dawn loves it, for all the comments such hate generates.
Sagar Sohail
Jul 28, 2012 10:27am
I guess that the problem is with religion in general rather than Islam in particular. All major religions have had oppressed and humiliated the minorities and women. We, in Pakistan, are treading a very dangerous path. Now the conversion of a Hindu boy is shown but I fear the day when a 'Shi'a to Sunni' or vice-versa is shown on the television. Religion is a money making tool for media and that's why we have people like this lady and Dr. Aamir Liyaqat back on screen. The truth is that majority of people actually want to see and listen what these anchors show and say, other wise no TV channel would take an anchor that would not make them money. We, as a nation are a very confused lot. Here, the lawyers welcome savages like Mumtaz Qadri with petals, and mob burns an insane man because of him committing blasphemy! We are having an overdose of religion which is poisoning our thinking and way of life!
Jul 29, 2012 09:33pm
Kuchrey me kuchra does not make honey.
Jul 29, 2012 09:47pm
"Who cares about one or a million for that matter converting to other religions" Sir you seem to care. You protest too much. Where does it hurt?
Jul 28, 2012 02:15pm
How do you know he actually converted? He could have been an actor pretending to be a Hindu and pretending to convert. Unless they broadcast 'the lungi test' on live TV I do not believe this made for TV conversion.
Jul 29, 2012 09:32pm
You got her on that stealth infusion of hate, bigotry, and fuel on fire. Good observation.
Mrs. Munim
Jul 30, 2012 06:57am
Who watches Maya Khan? There are still people who actually watch her show? Oh well, if Amir Liaqat can make a comeback, so can Maya, I guess. However the channel should be held responsable for this mockery of religion, and mockery of freedom of religion.
Jul 29, 2012 10:22pm
Interesting that the writer in her articles tends to use an otherwise uncommon incident in a population of over 180Million people, to get an emotional rouse from the readers when far more serious and omnious conditions are raking them. She has done it before, as have others, on these pages. Such tactic are considered borderline journalism usually reserved for 'yellow' irresponsible tabloids of the evening. Surly don't belong in Dawn.
Jul 30, 2012 03:46pm
Hafeez Jullendary wrote the national anthem of Pakistan. You people do a great job of twisting facts around.
M. Ali
Jul 29, 2012 10:22pm
Bharat has treated her religious minorities worst than most other nations. Religious bigotry made South Asians weak and vulnerable to attacks and occupation from Central Asia, Middle East and Europe. My ancestors switched their religion from Hinduism, not by any coercion from occupying forces, but because of intolerable conditions imposed by fellow religious fanatics. Pakistan flirted with religious bigotry and paid a heavy price for it. Just read the comments on this forum and talk to many Pakistanis and you will realize that many Pakistanis are realizing their mistakes and things are definitely going in the right directions. I am not a religious person, but If I have to place Hinduism and Islam side by side, I would still agree with my ancestors decision to switch. I am ashamed of present day treatment of minorities in Muslim Pakistan, but, Overall, I think Muslims (on average) have shown more tolerance and "bigger heart" than Hindus.
Ginaa Weizz
Jul 29, 2012 09:57pm
What you are saying and mean is that Muslims were the undisputed rulers and overlords of India for a thousand years and as yet 93% of the population is non-Muslim. That fact alone proves the religious tolerance and peaceful coexistence that Muslims stand for.
Jul 29, 2012 10:28pm
So will she burn on his pier when he dies?
Jul 30, 2012 04:04am
Sati was a socila practice which is eradicated. It has nothing to do with Hinduism. Yes caste difference occurs not only in Hinduism but Islam also. Why you calls sm1 bhangi and someone sheikh, sm1 qureshi and sm1 teli. Hinduism is a great religion thats why it has survived and spread to US and Europe.
Jul 29, 2012 09:16am
You find it funny but sooner or later that 'commodity' is going to cause you a big loss.
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 29, 2012 06:05pm
What is happening in Burma cannot be blamed on the pakistani minorities.
A K Dutta
Jul 29, 2012 08:23am
Where is the need for the Pakistanis to trade their faith as a commodity on a live TV show? I do not understand this. No other religion in this world do this.
Jul 28, 2012 09:24am
Intolerance and bigotry are at their peak in Pakistan and Muslims are not safe either.
Jul 29, 2012 09:53am
Brave attempt by the author but Pakistan is far down the road to turn around to reason. First convert all non Muslims to Islam and then convert fellow Muslims to be better Muslims - the genesis of internal conflict in Muslim society SUNNI v SHIA v AHMEDDIYAS v SUFI and the list goes on, case in point is the wanton destruction of the 15th Century Sidi Yahya Mosque in Timbuktu, Mali by Islamists. of Ansar Dine. In Pakistan shias, ahmadiyyas and sufi shrines are regularly targeted. Proselytizing religions always threaten the fabric of any society as conversions are akin to conquests so that they can indulge in chest thumping. Fortunately religions emanating out of the subcontinent like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism have always considered the process of conversions to be wrong and a way of demeaning the beliefs of those being converted. Regrettably those Muslims who go around justifying this act ultimately are a threat to fellow Muslims.
Jul 28, 2012 09:22am
Any person converting to any religion will be welcomed the same by the followers of that religion. If a Muslim converts to Hinduism I'm sure Hindus would love to embrace him as their brother. This person was not forced to change his religion, nothing proves he does, you just cant force someone to change his religion and show him off on t.v, not even in Pakistan. There are cases happing around the world where Muslims face hardships to follow their religion. You try to depict Pakistan where every minority fellow faces discrimination and persecution, your article is filled with words of an ignorant. In a city like Peshawar Sikhs, Hindus, Christians and Muslims live side by side as a single unit, Pakistan. There are places here in Peshawar where a church and a mosque stand side by side. This is the face of Pakistan that your article is trying to hide, sad!
Jul 29, 2012 07:29am
Dear Raiha, 1. If you talk of partition kindly note it was your own muslim league & Hon. Mr. M.A. Jinnah who was responsible not hindus neither any hindu political party which started it. Go & search,'direct action day' on the internet & u 'll know 2. No doubt riots happen in India on a/c of hindu muslim friction but also kindly note that they don't happen only because muslims r innocent & other communities suppress them. Muslims r equally responsible 3. caste in india or hinduism was only a means of making a society run smoothly & efficiently. It was only later on like in a happy family frictions start appearing on a/c of certain reasons that this catse divide appeared 4. pref of boys over girls is not only in hinduism, it is equally present in islam & may i dare say it is more. Hindus abolished to a great degree their vices like sati, child marriage below 21 & 18 for boys & girls.
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 28, 2012 02:44pm
My kudos, on bring this issue to light. I have no doubt that a number of people believe what you think. The fact is that conversions go both ways, i.e., muslims convert to christianity, but they do not want to be know for obvious reasons.
Jul 28, 2012 08:45am
Ma'am I totally agree with you but unfortunately no one will listen. Media is following the ratings which come from viewers who want to see such an act of piety. So many times, Zakir Nayak has converted Hindus into Muslims in his shows as well .
Jul 30, 2012 05:28pm
I live in USA. Here Christian channels show Muslims converting to Christianity. They bash Islam all the time, I have not heard anyone like you take a issue with that. Why you seem to have a problem with conversion to Islam on live TV? They do the same here, why if others copy it. After all Pakistanis copy American in pretty much everything, don't they?
Jul 29, 2012 06:36am
It should not be a big deal as long as it is a two way street left to an individual's choice. exhibitionism and feeling false triumph makes the difference.
Ogama Z.
Jul 30, 2012 05:07pm
"if Muslims are treated in other countries like minorities" If...? They are, and worse. Much, much worse han you can imagine. Travel and you will find out. Specially if you are not a white skinned Muslim.
Jul 29, 2012 04:31am
In order to better understand the relationship of Hinduism to other religions versus Islam to other religions, you have to look at the histories of the two religions; thei major ideas; as well as the behavior of the Hindus and Muslims over time. Hinduism, which is the oldest major religion, has a 5,000+ year history of tolerance towards other religions, beginning with Buddhism and Jainism (homegrown), Judiams and Christianity (arrival 2,000 years ago), Zoroastrianism (import from Persia), Islam (import from Middle East), Sikhism (homegrown), and Bahaiism. (You may want to also Google "Caste" and "Sati" for better understanding.) Make your own conclusions!
Jul 30, 2012 05:38pm
@zafarov: Perhaps, in your turn, you meant "Sensitive to humanity". However why do you not want to go with “Sensuous”?
Jul 31, 2012 09:38am
I behind you Zera
Jul 30, 2012 05:29pm
Assuming that your dubious numbers and reasoning are correct, there can be many reasons for a minority being put in prison in a foreign land. Religion may be one; politics and policy of intimidation, fear, and control may be another. Inherently there is nothing in the practice of Islam or in the Muslim belief system to make them worthy of being called “criminals” or making them worth of imprisonment. Many an innocent man and god have been so incarcerated or crucified for belief and its teaching alone--History has witnessed and recorded this truth.
Jul 29, 2012 04:28am
I was posted at a construction site in remote place in north east. One day by chance, I had to the local village of a local labour contractor. He invitd me to his house for tea. When I entered his home, I was surprised to see the photographs of Hindu Gods, muslim Kaba-Sharif and Jesus in small woreship place in his house. In India, it is considered unprofessional to ask about religious faiths of your professional co-workers. But being a brahmin, I couldn't stop myself from asking about his religion. He told he is a hindu with plain face. Why have you kept Jesus and Kaba photo in your woreship place then ? my next natural question was. This time his reactions were somewhat strange. After looking at me from head to toe, He laughed and explained: Some people came and gave me photo of Jesus (alongwith money) and told how nice that person was. So, I kept it in my home temple and started worshipping him daily. Aother day, some people came with photo of Kaba and said this is place of their God (this time also gave money). So, he also kept it in his place of worship and started worshipping as usual. Later, those people came back and started telling him to throw away the photos of other Gods or return the money he got from them. I kicked all of them out of my house. They gave me money to woreship their Gods thats what I am doing. Then, why should I return the money ? And Our elders (Buddhe) has taught us, in Hinduism, there is no harm in worshipping any great person and following his good deeds. I still wonder who know more about religion and hinduism. That semi-literate fellow or I.
Jalil Yousaf
Jul 29, 2012 02:36am
I am
Jul 30, 2012 07:51am
The sad and bitter truth is that having utterly & miserably failed to make any creative and positive contribution to mankind for the last 700 years, religious exhibitionism is all that is left to blow your own trumpet.
Jul 29, 2012 06:39pm
I'll tell you sumthing more abt the great nation. In many states untouchability exist to an extent that you are not allowed to pass through upper caste houses. Delhi is the rape capital in entire south east asian countries. 51% seats in all government jobs are reserved for hindus (ST, SC and 99 OBC are hindus) and nothing for relegious minorities, the insurgents (naxals, bodos etc) are indian jawans (78 were killed in danteware) more than they killed combating so called 'islamic' terrorist in kashmir and elsewhere, Bal thackery and his nephew raj thackery doesn't allow biharis to flourish in Mumbai or say maharastra. Dalits are not allowed to enter temples in most part this great nation, atrocities aganist married women or cases of domestic violence is highest in this great nation esp burning of brides. no one is perfect!!
Jul 30, 2012 07:50am
Yeah try to be open minded just like the above mentioned name.
Jul 29, 2012 12:52pm
By the way, Hinduism is also a one way street - however in the other direction ... you can go out but can't come in.
Jul 28, 2012 02:01pm
Instead of yapping on DAWN, why don't you do something about?
Jul 29, 2012 08:51pm
Ignorance speaking. Get into the 21st century. In India, it is the Hindus that are trying to remedy past sins......the "Mandal commission", reservations for lower castes in every aspect of life, etc. etc. There is very little clamour from anyone to change that. In fact there was a fight recently in Rajastan between two communities on claims who is lower in the caste ranking.....That indicates that the reservations are working well. It does not look like the lower castes are hurting too much more than the general population. In Pakistan on the other hand, not withstanding the attacks on journalists and the society in general, I don't see the Pakistanis addressing the Shia-Sunni conflict, the Ahmadi issue, the Baluchi issue.......pick your last leg.
Jul 28, 2012 11:30am
A lot of comments on this article seem to indicate that religious intolerance is a problem only within the Muslim community and all is hunky dory in the rest of the world. This is an unfortunate impression that does not do justice to the millions of Muslims who have suffered in dozens of part of the world like Bosnia, Chechnya, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Burma, Kashmir etc. But i blame people like Maya Khan and Dr. Aamir Liaquat for the creation of such an impression instead of the commentators... their misuse of Islam for promotion of personal stardom and reducing deep matters of faith to crass religious exhibitionism is creating a really bad image for Muslims.
Jul 28, 2012 11:28am
Recently, one of my friends decided to marry her Hindu girlfriend. To satisfy their respective familes they wanted to have a Muslim wedding followed by Hindu wedding. However, the Muslim wedding could not take place because that required the bride's conversion to Islam. Of course, the Hindu wedding went as planned, with only a few of my friend's family members opting not to attend the Hindu religious ceremony..
indian guy
Jul 29, 2012 08:53pm
pakistan and bangladesh are two examples. Their minority population have been reducing ever since.
Mohammad Ali Khan
Jul 28, 2012 10:03am
Worship will not change God,but the way of worships may make one a better or worse individual.If a worshiping society as a whole is declining,it has a challenge at its hand.
Jul 28, 2012 11:19am
Javed ghamidi has refuted this stance on apostasy very very clearly...
Jul 28, 2012 11:19am
In all non-muslim countries including India and the west,percentage of muslims are growing every year. In all muslim countries including pakistan and bangladesh, percentage of non-muslims decrease every year.
Jul 29, 2012 10:36pm
you are the one who needs to get their head examined, I know a few good doctors.
Jul 28, 2012 10:05am
Sunil will find out what is he now. Sunni, Shia, Sufi or Ahmadia. These muslims are killing each other every day who will convert to islam?
Jul 29, 2012 10:58pm
Faiza, it is just a glimpse of what atrocities Pakistani society has committed in the name of religion. Hudood ordinance is a glaring example. Whatever has been done in its name would move any sane person into tears. Another tool of tyranny is blasphemy law. I am a Muslim and i know that all these laws and acts are tyrant and despotic and these have nothing to do with the spirit of the religion. Our society failed to strive to find the truth, let alone uphold it. They are happy in their oblivion state; but the divine justice is upon our country and society. All the suffering that are coming onto Pakistani society with a lot more to come are Almighty's wrath on our crimes that we as a society committed on poor, unprivileged masses including our lawful minorities.
Jul 28, 2012 11:12am
I cant understand this hue and cry over conversion. Conversion should be taken lightly. Nomatter which religion one converts to.
M. Ali
Jul 30, 2012 12:29am
I agree we have several problems and we should face them and correct them rather than sweep them under the rug. What Dawn is doing is other extreme. It is trying to appease enemies and create a feeling of hopeless situation for Pakistanis.
Jul 28, 2012 11:09am
If Indians & Hindu's were really willing and ready at all times to accept other beliefs & not discriminate on those basis, there wouldn't have been a need for partitioning the sub continent. . There are countless incidents throughout India where Muslims are being harassed in this day and age, the difference is that all other nations hide the things happening their country with positive attributes, while the media in our nation & the world unfortunately chooses to highlight the things in Pakistan, and not the positive attributes (and mind you, there are plenty). So do not just assume that just because you don't discriminate, nobody else does either, and do not assume, that just because there are bad people who call themselves Muslims, every Muslim is a bad person. And like Jugnu said, no religion is bad - just those who 'claim' to follow it. To just assume that Pakistan is the only country which has corruption, poverty and faulty people is unfair. What country in the world is corruption free, poverty free, and crime free? Try to be an open minded person and do not blame a religion for the way people behave before making an effort to actually know what the religion says. If you dont agree, and if logic is indeed true, then by all means, it must be true that Hinduism was why caste differences exist in India, Hinduism must be the reason why society gives preference to boys over girls, it also must have been the reason why the practice of Sutti (burning of a woman alive at her husbands death) was widely practiced. I hope you get my point.
Sikander Baloch
Jul 28, 2012 11:06am
I recalled the Rinkle Kumari case where as CJ choudary proved to be party...Jeo religion ko impose karky
Virendra Kaul
Jul 30, 2012 10:38am
That is rather a bold statement.
Jul 28, 2012 11:02am
100% agree with your concluding sentences. Shiv Sena has never been involved in forced conversions. Golden Temple incident was similar to Lal Masjid episode. In both cases violence promoting armed religious extremists had taken control of places of worship away from the people. Those involved in the killings of Christian missionaries were duly prosecuted and sentenced.
Jul 30, 2012 12:42am
According to books of history religious aura has been fluctuating like stock market and cheap shots like Maya Khan give it further boost momentarily. In this regard please read a recent book JERUSALEM - the biography by Simon Sebag Montefiore ISBN 978-0-7538-2879-3.
Jul 28, 2012 10:59am
The most dangerous enemy is the one within
Jul 29, 2012 11:33pm
Guys Let us address the problem not the people.It is the lack of education and poverty causing all these sort of stunts .We need to have competetion in games , quality of life , and education with india not on weapons etc. Also forcible conversion is wrong .Let us try to be positive and try to bring positive change .How can politicians/media in our countries is able to divert attention from real probleams like unemployment , lack of basic human rights to these issues.Let us start at individual level and start to challange all this status quo , politicians and corrupt system alike
Jul 28, 2012 10:52am
You must be a genius to have mis-interpreted my statement that I wish ill of Pakistan ! That Pakistan is in this position today is of its own making. Just as East Pakistan seceded from Pakistan because of the atrocities of Yahya Khan, today the boiling pot is about to overflow and how things will actually shape up remains to be seen. There is a clear undercurrent in Pakistan against the domination of Punjab in their national polity. India will have to be extremely wary of the impending fall out and I'm quite sure that the powers that be are aware of this.
ss verma
Jul 29, 2012 11:48pm
India made its Muslim Rocket Scientists its President ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pakistan made its Hindu student a Muslim.
Sheikh Siddeeque
Jul 30, 2012 01:27pm
It should not surprise any one from the many views expressed here that Muslims the world over are the most socially backward and culturally ignorant section of the humanity on this planet . This includes me as well. sheikh siddeeque USA
Jul 28, 2012 10:44am
Incredible! If this is not true, some Muslim scholar should refute it!
Jul 28, 2012 10:43am
YesFaizaMizawill strike a deep chord of sympathy in many indian hearts, notbecause majority of hindus live in india. Butshe has underlined thegrotesque show ofa hindu converting on TV show. It is hardly a recommendation to those who believe ,Pakistan isa liberal democracy where in QaID-e aZAM HASD PROVIDED COMPLETE rELIGIOUSEQUALITY ANDPRACTICE OF ONE'S fAITH IN THECOUNTRY TOBE CREATED FORMUSLIMS OF sOUTH aSIA. ms MIRZACONSIDERSTHEMAKER OFSUCH tv sHOWS LIVING IN AN UNREAL WORLD OF mEDIEVAL mIND SET GOVERNEDBY OBSOLETE BEHAVIOUR pATTERNS OFJINGIST mULLAHS. mODEN pAKISTANI HARDLY DESIRES TO BE CAST IN THAT MOULD IN XXIcENTURY.d. gOEL
Jul 28, 2012 10:42am
Any huge explosion in Pakistan is not in the best interest of India or the world! I pray to God to protect it from any such disaster! More conversions of Hindus to other religions take place in India than in Pakistan. Let us not wish Pakistan ill on that account!
Jul 28, 2012 10:38am
Err, what about the Shiv Sena or the Golden Temple massacre? Hindus also slaughtered some Aussie missionaries who were suspected of converting hindus as well. No religion is bad - just those that claim to follow it. Every religion has its bigots. It's the nonsense of saying I'm better than you that makes me sick.
Jul 28, 2012 10:34am
well said...I tweeted your comment.
Jul 29, 2012 10:40pm
Mashallah awesome news. I openly welcome this brother to the true way of life. I hope all Muslims help him and accept him as one of their own. There is no stopping the Muslim Train!
Jul 28, 2012 10:22am
Mr. Ahsan, I would like to congratulate you to have the courage to speak the truth. Look at the whole world, who is dying in most number everyday i.e. Muslims. This is a country which follows Islam in its constitution, I know many non -muslims living peacefully in Pakistan. And if there are any mishaps with some, then so are with muslims around the world in countries where the dominant religion is not Islam. If the television channels are airing programs that do not conform to Islamic laws in Pakistan, then it is justified to us that we need to believe in freedom of speech and expression therefore anything goes.....now if someone has expressed his love for Islam on screen and embarrassed it in front of everyone.....people who always propagate freedom of expression suddenly think it is a person matter!...
Jul 28, 2012 10:20am
There are a billion Hindus in the world! Who cares about one or a million for that matter converting to other religions. Frankly more poor Hindus are enticed into Christianity in India than into Islam. Besides, the Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan made a mistake in staying back in Pakistan which was created mainly on the name of Islam. I suggest that all minorities in Pakistan should willingly convert to Islam or emigrate out. There is no place for minorities in the land of the pure Muslims!
Jul 29, 2012 08:27pm
How about the Pandits of Kashmir?
Jul 29, 2012 08:04pm
Shiv Sena has never been involved in forced conversions. YOU ARE CORRECT, ALL VICTIMS ARE SAYING LIKE THIS Golden Temple incident was similar to Lal Masjid episode. In both cases violence promoting armed religious extremists had taken control of places of worship away from the people. Those involved in the killings of Christian missionaries were duly prosecuted and sentenced. YA, KILLED CHRISTIANS SAYING THAT THEY GOT THE JUSTICE
Jul 29, 2012 07:46pm
Great Faiza, it requires guts to write this very honest article. Shame on these people who only bring our religion to such low level. That too in the holy month of Ramadan wherein we should portray our religion in the best possible action by our deeds. When will be learn to respect other religion and tolerance.
Jul 30, 2012 10:25am
Willing to be enlightened! Point me to your references!
Jul 29, 2012 07:04pm
3. The last Sati case was registered in police record was in 1987 in Rajasthan. May be sati is banned but the menace of female infanticide is such that its dwindles the sex ration even in the most progressive region gujarat. In sume places in haryana it has gone down below 600 per 1000 males. India is easiest place to have sex determination in the world, read article on TIME magzine (i read it couple of years back...so u have to google it hard). Child marriges are common phenomena in rajasthan and Gujarat. every third child in rajasthan (check who report on child health in india/jaipur; released by unicef office in jaipur) comes out of minor womb. hindu marrige act came int o force in 1956 prior to that polygamy was a very common phenomena in HIndu society.
Jul 29, 2012 07:03pm
I would like to ans your points in the light of facts and figures. 1. Read BJP stalwart Jaswant Singh book 'Jinnah' to find out that it was Hindu Mahasabha accepted two nation theory and demanded seperation which was appeased by senior Congress leaders forced the Jinnah to adorn the theory. 2. I agree Muslims are not innocent. Figures say that in all riots took place from bhagalpur tp meerut and from Mumbai to Gujarat, the muslims account for 80% oogle of those killed from both by hindus and police. Gioogle 'Riots in india' you will get a link of indian gazette. for 3 point read next comment
A Nabi Balochn
Jul 29, 2012 06:59pm
I wish I was sitting in that park with my wife when Maya Khan showed up with camera, I would hae shredded her into pieces. How would that society allow this kind of shenanigans by so-called journalist.
A.N Baloch
Jul 29, 2012 06:53pm
Tiaa Writing is on the wall, we must not become ostrich, the end is near for that country, Baloch will follow Bangladesh.
Jul 29, 2012 06:44pm
The word hinduism came in the literary word not before 300 year ago. You may consult Google to check that its a simple geo word. even in old manuscripts right from the vedic period till the advent of muslims, the word hindu was never used.
Jul 29, 2012 10:02am
I am not if ADAM was a Muslim....!! ....and how one can get ticket to heaven if an only if he is Muslim ?? Seems Allaha too have reservation and allow certain set of people to be in heaven rest need to be killed ....!! what a foolish we are..same on us..we not human we follower of SATAN!!!
Afshan Khan
Jul 30, 2012 11:14am
Indian media shows Shahrukh khan doing pooja and following hinduism then what about indian minorities .
Aug 01, 2012 03:34pm
And you are still living your mistake.
Sheridevi MD
Aug 01, 2012 03:31pm
No one can become Hindu by conversion. A Hindu is born into a Caste, otherwise anyone including Untouchables would convert into Brahmins. Those western conversions are for fashion and publicity, to appear and stand out to be noticed. You need to know your own religion, if you are indeed Hindu.
Shama Baloch PhD.
Aug 01, 2012 02:50pm
Dear brother, your writing suggests you yourself are semi-literate at best. Your ideas are faulty and can only cause us long term suffering. I agree with Z.A. Baloch. United we stand and survive. Divided we fall, be subjugated suffer and die, as will our children. Pakistan and us are ONE. Inshallah we will make it through this bleak difficult period and make us and Pakistan PROUD. Please go get read a book, books. Get educated. Intelligence, Education, Wisdom and Unity with hard-work is our hope. Don't allow anyone to use you and your emotions to destroy you and our future. Be wise. Your sisters want to be PROUD of you. Don't SHAME us in your ignorance my brother. I for one am Pakistan. I will defend it with my blood, guts, knowledge...last breadth, if necessary. You to brother. PLEASE...!
Aug 01, 2012 01:11pm
You have no proof. That does not mean someone else does not.
Afshan Khan
Aug 04, 2012 11:45am
at one side of my house are living christen and another side hindu .we people dont have any poblem . we are living happily .you just keep saying bla bla bla bla blaaaaaaaaaa !!!!
Jul 29, 2012 08:13am
Nothing remarkable is going to happen if Pakistan implodes. Most of the rich Pakistanis will emigrate to the west. The poor will remain back unable to do anything much.
Jul 29, 2012 07:34am
You missed the whole point. He chose the religion and converted, but why show it one TV? If he, or any other Muslim decides to leave Islam, will they show that on TV too?
Sana Fatima
Jul 29, 2012 06:18pm
i dont know what this article is trying to deliver...is it the conversion of a boy from one religion to other or conversion to in particular Islam has enraged the author? Embracing any religion is a person's own choice..and the guy has clearified that he was not at all forced to do dat...then wats the point regarding it wrong???? The writer must keep in mind that we are living in a muslim country and any tv operating over here will definitely broadcast the transmission related to the ritulas and customs and religion of that country same as in any christian country chrismas and in hindu countries deewali or holi transmissions are bradcasted...does it then mean that those countries are violating or offending muslims by broadcasting those transmissions???? faiza mirza has to open eyes and see that the same channels in pakistan are there celebrating even christmas n other events enthusiastically n many related programs and serials are broaadcasted for minorities also. in the end the writer speaks of mutual harmony but again n again provoking the minorities in pakistan as if they in whole are violated n offended by the conversion of one man which was his own choice!!!! this is the double standarad of the writer faiza mirza!!!!
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 29, 2012 05:56pm
Fox news spews the same toxic sludge that Maya Khan does, so no I do not watch Fox News.
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 29, 2012 06:03pm
To further explain my post: They get sick and tired of the propaganda that their children face in school; they get sick tired of comments at work, they get sick and tired of being refused promotions at work, they get sick and tired of not being hired because their names i.e.., John, David and so forth. They get sick and tired of the oblivious of being blamed if the US bombs a target in a Muslim country. They get sick and tired of accusations of being "spies".
Jul 29, 2012 10:45am
Pakistan never accepted the Bihari muslims who sided with Pakistan during the liberation of Bangladesh and now these Bihari Muslims do not have any citizenship.Pakistan does not consider ahmediya muslims as true muslims and they are being persecuted in Pakistan. In baluchistan Shia community , Hazara Community are being ethnically cleansed.My point is when Pakistan does not respect its fellow muslim people , they will never treat minorities of belonging to Non-Muslim faith.
Jul 30, 2012 09:46am
hats off to the writer,brilliant article.maya khan should be banned from all the chennels
Jul 29, 2012 10:25am
All muslims forefathers were converted to Islam from their original religion by the force of sword. No one ever converted to Islam by personal choice. Sunil converted because of indirect pressure from all around and not because of personal choice. Muslims and Christians have been the most violent religions for the humankind and they remain so.
Jul 29, 2012 10:21am
Ahmedis are not muslims, according to Pakistani law
Jul 29, 2012 10:20am
Miss Faiza, You are saying pakistani minorities are living in fear but what about killing of burmese muslims? Do you have guts to write anything about that? Can you give me one example in history where muslims have killed a minority the way they are being killed in Burma?
Jul 29, 2012 05:53pm
"I am truly ashamed to have witnessed such a hideous mockery of the two religions. I am appalled to be a part of a society which hails such unjust and unethical practises and deeply saddened to know that minorities are blatantly marginalised on live television while the silent majority lives in denial."(Faiza Mirza) Bless you Faiza -- you warm my secular Muslim heart like never before -- Pakistan is in good hands with people like you as the new generation. Hindus are a part of us -- as our genetic siblings -- emotionally their religion is as dear and precious to them as ours is to us. As a majority we MUST treat our Hindu, Christian, Parsi, Sikh, Buddhist minorities with the SAME dignity, respect, justice, fairness, equality and kindness -- that we want the Hindus, the Christians, the Jews, the Buddhists to treat us Muslims and our religion -- wherever we live as minorities in THEIR majority lands -- from Burma to Birmingham Alabama. I agree what Maya Khan with her "conversion tamasha" did was no less offensive and obscene compared to what she did to invade and violate the boundaries of young couples' privacy. In my opinion -- what the likes of the Maya Khans of the Muslim world need for themselves -- is their OWN RE-CONVERSION to the original TOLERANT Islam -- not as a TV circus -- but in the serene privacy of their own homes and neighborhood Masjids.
Jul 29, 2012 05:45pm
I think PAKISTAN is an ISLAMIC state not "secular",converting a non-muslim into Muslim is not about hurting religious sentiments of minorities.Dr.Zakir naik daily does the same on his TV shows,india has no objection abt that then y "Ms.Faiza mirza n Mr.Ansar burney " has problem with it,DR. Shahid massod n maya khan have not forced that guy to become a MUSLIM he chose himself to b a MUSLIM,So Ms writer gimme a break and do read QURAN,u will find all the answers of human rights..............I think wat happend in RAMAZAN show of maya khan was not objectionable although i am not follower of her,Some SECULAR writers n so called "Intellectuals" have problem with ISLAM i know they dont want it to prosper in PAKISTAN,MAY ALLAH show these kinda people a right path
Jul 28, 2012 06:22pm
How do you know what God is going to do?
Jul 29, 2012 11:56am
Sorry, Imran, it is you who has shown your bigotry.
Jul 29, 2012 11:55am
Bosnia: Muslims suffered because their numerical plurality was seen as bringing back to life Turkish anti-non-Muslim repression of centuries. Chechnya, Kashmir: There is no oppression of Muslims. Yes, rebels are Muslim and will be treated accordingly by the state. Burma: Rohingya Muslims are not Burmese citizens. Instead, they are illegal immigrants. Iraq, Afghanistan: Muslims are oppressing and have oppressed other Muslims and the very few non-Muslims in these countries. Palestine: Muslims feel oppression because they turned to ruthless terrorism (hijackings, bombings in malls, etc.) which had to be curbed by the state. Siddiqui: Open your mind and learn.
Jul 29, 2012 11:52am
Dear Faiza, even if misuse of media can be questioned, but still your "spicy" headline 'The drastic decline of Pakistani minorities' seems an effort to attract more readers from a specific "class" and this quite obvious from the commentators. Presenting your "views" as "news" definitely will make you much popular soon as the other reporters of your field. By the way how can you prove this sudden decline? Do you have facts and figures to support or it's just your view and our "oppressed class" is hailing it as it is their voice. I have a lot of non-muslim friends, very well-educated and good souls and never got such feeling ever in Pakistan.
Atif Zaheer
Jul 29, 2012 11:44am
Maya khan should be sacked yet again.
Jul 29, 2012 11:35am
Sorry but you seem to be in need of mental rehabilitation.
Jul 30, 2012 04:31pm
That is a strong statement. What is your basis?
Jul 29, 2012 12:32pm
Not the impression I get after reading wikipedia on apostasy. Scary!
akhter husain
Jul 29, 2012 05:03pm
A point well made. But going through the comments raises another point - the verbal *attack* from across the border on this site. It is very clear who has the relentless will to keep coming to a Pakistani site to leave anti-pakistan and anti-muslim comments …. in proportion of their populous population! Quaid-e-Azam founded Pakistan to get Muslims some peace from you know who. Now what do we need to get some cyber peace from them!
Jul 30, 2012 04:35pm
Out in the open. Publically, and on TV. How would you want it? In secret?
Jul 29, 2012 08:21pm
Being a member of a minority religion is a night mare for the members...be in Pakistan Egypt S Arabia or someplace else. These preoccupations with conversions ever more purity and piousness of Muslims has robbed them of vitality.Nothing worthwhile in any field of human endeavor,achievements in science tech or economic development...just vacuous mouthing of religion!!!!
Shankar Bandyopadhay
Jul 29, 2012 04:48pm
Frankly We are all sick and tired of this muslim nuisance. Its high time the muslim realises and mends thier way. I dont think anywhere in this world muslim has learnt to peacefully co-exist with others. Whether they are majority or minority. There is always a conflict. What sickness of mind cause them to behave like this I do not know. I only wish they had not entered Indian subcontinent in the first place. Allowing them to step in this land in the biggest follies of the Hindus and they will continues to pay the price for centuries to come.
virendra kaul
Jul 29, 2012 06:41am
No big deal. What happens if a Muslim converts of his own accord? You will hunt him down.
Jul 28, 2012 03:01pm
I am sorry but I have not read anything in this article that would convince me that the boy's conversions was forced.
Jul 29, 2012 01:16pm
I wonder if Muslims living in Kashmir, Gujrat, or Assam would declare that they do not live in any kind of fear.
Agha Ata
Jul 29, 2012 01:17pm
Sometimes I am forced to think that a Muslim is who regards everyone else totally wrong, an infiddile and worthy of pesecution and even murder. It reminds me a of a joke when a man going the wrong way on a one way street heard police announcement on the loudspeaker that said, "You are going to the wrong direction" and he concluded, why me? Everybody else is coming from the wrong direction.
Gary Sahi
Jul 28, 2012 03:15pm
Religion should not be given at birth. Like money, it has to be earned. Giving it at birth is a fraud in the life of every child who could have flowered into a saint. When you are given something without effort, you stop working for it whereas progress in any religion is an effort bigger than earning money. Think of all the effort that you do to make money and contrast it with the effort you make in your religion, and see the difference.
Afshan Khan
Jul 29, 2012 01:32am
i have seen an indian tv where a person converted to Islam so if somebody does in Maya khan show whats the problem and if he was praising sarim burney so whats the big deal . Mostly people converts by observing the people who are practicing Islam. if you hav any proof that the person was forced to convert then you should be ashamed otherwise no need to be .
Iftikhar Ahmed
Jul 29, 2012 01:32am
Please watch your language.Doesn't Dawn have any moderators who would filter out this kind of offensive use of four letter words?Obviously the author has no clue what he or she is talking about.Just pure pathetic and disgusting.
Agha Ata
Jul 29, 2012 01:04pm
There is a growing feeling in hearts about religions, that nobody talks about whcih is boiling like a lava in a volcano that some day might erupt.
Jul 29, 2012 05:05am
What an amazing article.....I am just thinking of the catastropic situation where Mohd Abdulla's conversion is sown live into a Hindu Sunil in Pakistan by media. Tell me people and mainly from muslim community if this conversion that was shown live was a way to get publicity and where it is written to advertise such kind of act. I strongly felt it was a ridiculous act by media to telecast live such shows and beleive a mockery of Islam because it indicates how insecure Islam is when they start using these kind of tools to publicise the spreading of their religion. No regligion teaches bad things. Respect other relgions and their belivers and only then you can get praise of your own releigion.
Khalid Kiyani
Jul 28, 2012 03:42pm
The measure of how civil any society is, how it treats the minorities amongst it. I totally agree with the writer. Only if Pakistanis knew how this kind of acts are seen globally. People should speak out against this kind of religious intolerence. This is not Islam. I wonder how as Muslims, we would feel if this kind of act was carried out against a Muslim in any of the European Countries. I am ashamed when I see or hear about such acts. Khalid Kiyani
Jul 28, 2012 03:46pm
Boycott the products of all companies who advertise on such shows. The owners will get the message within months and people such as Maya Khan will be in the unemployment line where they belong.
Jul 28, 2012 04:03pm
Why should GOD care for people who follow there own fantasies in the name of GOD. True, GOD is a commodity being traded in Pakistan for the sake of GOD.
Jul 28, 2012 04:12pm
U know nothing about India
Jul 29, 2012 03:38pm
The most peaceful religion in the world. Are you kidding me???
Jul 29, 2012 03:45am
The writer need to be more reliastic, Pakistan is not the only country that has those problem. Stop acting like a biased kid!
Jul 29, 2012 03:35pm
Raj Patel
Jul 28, 2012 04:59pm
I totally agree with you. You can be a Hindu by birth only and never been converted Hindu thats I was taught in my schooling period. To follow Hinduism you don't have to be converted hindu, You can practice your own religion and follow hinduism. Hindu philosophy says that " Keep your window of mind open so that fresh thoughts can enter in it" I love this philosophy. Nothing is ultimate then death.
Jul 30, 2012 05:10am
Very well said. It is the truth.
Jul 28, 2012 05:08pm
With this I am even more proud of my Hindu heritage that does not force people to convert and does not tell anyone that it is the only true faith. It simply says go and find your own answers, that's how it has survived for over 10,000 years and will remain strong till the end of time. Newer religions have to complete that journey and achieve certain level of maturity in how they conduct themselves in society before it can claim to be lasting. Hard twigs will break sooner or later, but the softer ones will remain nourished. Such senseless shows only reduce religion to sales numbers - how many converts did you do in your lifetime? That's laughable. Pakistani society needs serious reforms.
Jul 29, 2012 03:42am
I agree with you completely. Pakistan is a soceity which is morally corrupt, intolerant and has no space for people with disagreeing views on reglion in specific and faith in general. And before you start shouting at me for being from a different country, I am a Pakistani myself.
Jul 28, 2012 05:18pm
Raiha, Hinduism is definitely not perfect and is still evolving. India is secular. I do not want to point out the number of Muslims, Christians who have held the highest offices in India. Hinduism/India does not have a blashphemy law. Casteism was a system that was developed ages back as a way of promoting specialization. Hindus understand it is out of date and are trying to change it. Sati again was a system that came into existance to protect the honour of women whose rajput husbands were killed in war and faced the prospect of being abused by the captors. It is barbaric and does not exist anymore in India. Gender equality is being promoted and girls regularly outdo boys in education. About 12% of Indians are Muslims and the percentage is growing. There are huge misconceptions about Islam amongst non-muslims. For instance read Adrian's comment. Unfortunately Islam is looked at being at war with the rest of the world and and also with itself like the Shia Sunni conflict. I know the majority of the muslims are peaceful but unfortunately it is the voice of the extremists that is heard loudly.
Rafique Wassan
Jul 28, 2012 05:24pm
A very bold and blatant writing portraying the real face of Pakistani social fabric, media and most importantly the role of state as an ideological patronage and making the society faith based. I really appreciate Ms. Faiza for writing such as blatant truth which reflects the moral disorder of the Pakistani society and State. The religiosity in Pakistani society has been deeply entrenched which has no respect for other faiths and diverse views to accept and strangely as the writer has also pointed out, the well known media figures are part and patronizing this very unethically and they feel no shame for it... this reflects the moral social fabric of Pakistani society, very bleak and frustrated in the name of religion.
Jul 28, 2012 05:41pm
“For us religion is a personal matter” How is it a personal matter? The Caste-System is a social concern. A cultural and societal obligation. Without it Hinduism would seize to exist. Conversions to Christianity and Islam are essentially a freedom option. A bell ringer of hope for the lowest of the low Castes. They are ringing the death knell of Hinduism. Hinduism, not Pakistan is on its last legs. Its extinction is in the offing.
Jul 28, 2012 05:46pm
To be Hindu, you have to be born Hindu, belong to the lowest of creation and work your way up through infinite reincarnations, if you ever will..
Jul 28, 2012 05:51pm
Mr. Ahsan, in Hinduism there is no system of conversion, and here nobody is really bothered about the religion and culture, if a person has good thoughts and good personality he would become Mr. popular, of whatever religion he is.
Jul 28, 2012 05:53pm
Issue is CONVERTING TO HINDUISM-that never happens forcibly.
Jul 28, 2012 05:58pm
That poor kid probably wanted to be safest in that Muslim country.
Jul 28, 2012 06:03pm
As they say in Punjabi " A fist (boxing punch) is much closer to you than God"--Only force would work for them.
Wesley S.
Jul 28, 2012 06:07pm
Hereby refuted. Repeat: Categorically refuted. This is not a forum for details: Presentation of citations and references. Sufficient to say: They are available.
Jul 28, 2012 06:10pm
Before the partition the area what is now current Pakistan had almost 40% non-muslim population. Now it is close 3%. For comparision, in 1947 India had 6.4% muslim population left, today the muslim population in India is 14%. And this gain has been made against a massive non-muslim population of 93%! That should give you an idea at what rate the muslim population in India has grown, arguably the rate has to be several times more than the non-muslim population. Who am I kidding, there is no comparison!
Ram Krishan
Jul 28, 2012 06:12pm
Rahia , please tell me what islam has done for the betterment of women for the past 1400 years. If a women exercises her free will today , the punishment is burying her alive or stoning while the mobs chant " Allah Hu Akbar" Sati was only a regional custom and was abolished by law and so is caste system .
Jul 29, 2012 01:25pm
Point well made.
Jul 28, 2012 06:30pm
All these conspiracies are against Sindh and it's people, before and after partition it continues...more after partition Sindhi Hindus had control in trade and commerce were replaced my urdu speaking refugees from India with the conspiracy of punjabi elites. The survival of nation is in their language/literature through commerce, newspaper and religion. That has been systematically destroyed. At present remaining minority of Sindhi Hindus are being persecuted to leave Sindh. And this will completely annihilate the Sindhi nation. This is all in the name of Islam.
Jul 28, 2012 06:38pm
actually despite what your modified history books may have told you, partition happened for reasons other than religion. Though religion was used as a reason, it had to do more with leadership crisis in Congress. Read reports in international media to find the real reason.
Jul 28, 2012 06:40pm
Mohammed Abdullah, as he is now known, will find that now he is MORE shunned than before! God knows who threatened him to convert, but it is nauseating and exposes Pakistan'd elite for what they really are!
Jul 28, 2012 06:41pm
My hats off to the writer of the article.After all said and done, there are muslims in secular India who are living more peacefully without fear of getting converted as compared with minority hindus in Pakistan.The muslim minority in India enjoys all the priviliges available to the hindu majority without any fear of being isolated.The majority among muslims in India is comparable to the majority among hindus in Pakistan with only one difference that former community does not live in any kind of fear.
Jul 28, 2012 06:44pm
Nobody put a gun to his head to convert. If the boy is happy to be a Muslim, let him be. Who are we to criticize him or Maya? Watch all the thumbs down I get from Indians on this one lol
Kapil Khanna
Jul 29, 2012 03:06pm
Few things here ... 1. No one can convert to Hindu. Anyone who is a Hindu is a Hindu by birth. If anyone wants to adopt Hindu ways, he or she will always be welcome. 2. What you talk about Peshawar is something that was eons ago and not something in recent past. 3. There might be places in Peshawar where a church and mosque stand by side but that doesn't mean that minorities in Pakistan can live with their helds high.
Jul 28, 2012 07:30pm
The momentum towards complete madness needs to be reversed soon.
Kapil Khanna
Jul 29, 2012 03:01pm
A very sublime article. With people like Faiza Mirza around, there is still hope for Pakistan.
Jul 29, 2012 08:11am
mr. ahsan keep in mind one thing that a person can only be a hindu by a birth and not by conversion unlike islam, and even if some one converts to hinduism from islam . no hindu will cheer this because hindu ism is a great and very strong religion which doesnot need any enforcement and also doesnot find threat in any other religion. proud to be a hindu!!!
Jul 29, 2012 01:36pm
There is no threat.The damage and disauster is already at full swing and working 24/7.
Jul 29, 2012 02:58pm
You are proving Faizas point .. you are bothered by the question of state of minorities in Pak
King Tut
Jul 28, 2012 08:13pm
Very well written article, nice to see there are still intelligent Pakistani folks who will not buy into Maya Khan's shameful antics, this live TV conversion was a complete and utter mockery of the Pakistani psyche we really should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing such a shallow individual as Maya Khan to get away with such devious anti-humanist behaviour under the guise of religion. Only a truly morally bankrupt society would consider this as ethical and honourable. Maya Khan shame on you!
Jul 28, 2012 08:16pm
Seen Fox news lately?
Jul 28, 2012 08:19pm
Faiza, you have infused more hate in to a hateful event by opening the comment board about it. All I see here are counter-productive, inflammatory posts; leaving it to introspection and reflection would have been a much better way to go.
Jul 29, 2012 03:28am
It is not a question about the right of a person to convert. Everyone has the right to choose the religion of his choice. But, what is questionable is the broadcasting of the same in TV channel as if it is chest-thumping victory for one religion over another. If an Indian channel had broadcasted the live conversion of a Muslim to Hinduism, would your reaction be the same?
Jul 29, 2012 01:39pm
I agree with you Raiha. Seem like you are talking sense but also seems like that most of the readers are from across the border. As stated in Quran 'There is no forcing in Islam', so clearly mal-practice of its handful followers does not equate to fault in the religion it self. The ones following it correctly are not used as an example instead these bad ones are used just to criticise and demonize Islam. Where as all the other mal-practices in hinduism are part of the religion itself. Just because this is reported here does not mean the Pakistanis are not doing anything about it. Like many good muslims, many follow the true islam and treat their fellow non-muslims equally and respect fully. By just saying India is secular is nothing much to me, as I still see muslims being killed indescriminately when ever the majority in an area feels like doing it, and then for political reason Presidents flies in and gets some pictures taken.
Jul 28, 2012 08:34pm
Plain nonsense.
Jul 28, 2012 09:05pm
It is surprising that the Tv channel was only able to show one hindu boy converting but was not able to see the many muslims that are converting to other religions. They dont make a show of it, they just accept them quietly and let adjust into society.
Jul 29, 2012 02:31pm
Islam is very easy to understand but very difficult to practice. Hinduism is very difficult to understand, but there's nothing to practice.
Naeem Qureshi
Jul 28, 2012 09:35pm
Pakistan is becoming an intolerent society.I donot understand why everybody wears the religion on our sleeve. Pakistan is still one of the most corrupt country in the world.We are not following the teaching of Islam.r
Jul 28, 2012 09:35pm
finally some1 came up with a sensible comment..
Jul 28, 2012 10:36pm
Religion is internal and not external. Maya Khan if you are interested in showing this kind of conversion you are trying to get what we call a CHEAP POPULARITY. You should say SORRY to all your viewers and never do it again.
Jul 28, 2012 10:37pm
Boy, you think very highly of yourself don't you?
Jul 28, 2012 10:42pm
Baluchis are already asking to get out. The Sindhis are not far behind. The Punjabis themselves will start to split up. This is due to the lack of dialogue for improvement. Indians don't harp on Hinduism as do the Pakistanis. Once thatchanges, things will settle down. No one has a hotline to god. If any one thinks they do, well, they are welcome toit. Just don't impose your hotline on me. That is the root of all conflicts.
Jul 29, 2012 02:58am
Jul 28, 2012 11:38pm
Thank you Raiha, I get your drift. While other countries are doing their best to correct the unacceptable practices, Pakistan is simply is going in the opposite direction, and it is relentless. This is the issue for Pakistan.
Jul 28, 2012 11:57pm
I have a question for all Mulims, if Muslims are treated in other countries like minorities are treated in Muslim countries, what would be your reaction . You think Muslims should get their basic rights in countries where they are in minority, if yes then why not the other minorities in Muslim country. Basic principal is, if you respect others, others will respect you- hate them and they will hate you. May Allah help us all
Jul 29, 2012 12:09am
I have many friends who happen to be Muslim and a few of those happen to be Pakistani as well. So I would never say that ALL Muslims are bad. However when you look at the statistics, you will see that the percentage of Muslims is always growing in non Muslim countries (eg. India and the US) and the percentage of minority non Muslim population is always shrinking in Muslim countries (eg. Hindus in Pakistan going from 15% in 1947 to 1% today.) Why do you think that is? And how does one avoid generalizations about religion in the face of that?
Suresh K.
Jul 29, 2012 03:06am
Very true. A story is often told of Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekara Bharathi, the pontiff of Sri Sringeri Sharadha Petham (in South India) during the early part of the last century, to illustrate the tolerant attitude of Hindus. When a westerner expressed to the Swamiji his desire to embrace Hinduism, the Swamiji told him, “If you want to be a Hindu be a good Christian.”
Jul 29, 2012 12:26am
Great article and thank you for your courage. Islamic philosophy clearly states that there is no compulsion in this religion. That is you can not forcefully convert anyone to become a Muslim. Anyone who tries to forcefully convert people - or they are converted themselves to avoid persecution - would end up producing Muslims the likes of which we see In Afghanistan and Pakistan. Hajaj Bin Yousuf and Mohammad Bin Qasim and many others like them - right from the beginning of Khilafat - who spread Islam on the basis of sword - have produced - the so- called Muslims today who are tyrannical, intolerant, ignorant etc etc. It is shame that such anti-Islamic acts of unjust are committed blatantly live on Television. For Pakistanis it would suffice that they are Pakistanis - regardless of their faith, religion and credence - they must deserve the same respect and the right - otherwise, this country would be nothing but a bunch of intolerant people.
Jul 29, 2012 12:30am
Kudos to Faiza Mirza for writing this piece fearlessly. We need more of such voices in Pakistan. What happened was a mockery of one's fundamental rights......
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 29, 2012 12:40am
The Non Muslims decrease, not because they convert to Islam, but they immigrate to greener pastures. Just take a walk in Toronto, NYC, London or Manchester.
Zimbo Indian
Jul 29, 2012 02:00pm
Most Indians would be surprised that some one can write such an article and survive in Pakistan. These courageous, secular people are Pakistan's hope for survival.
Aamir, San Diego USA
Jul 29, 2012 12:53am
The people and Government of Pakistan keep searching for a so called "foreign hand" for Pakistan problems, but in reality all of Pakistan's real enemies live and breath inside Pakistan. People who fuel hate, people who breed intolerance, people who look down on gender, people who look down on the colour of your skin, people who profess superiority of one province to another, people who want to impose their myopic view of Islam on the populace. These people are the the clear and present danger to Pakistan.
Jul 31, 2012 09:37am
Congress,,,,,What does it mean...Who are there in Congress?
Jul 30, 2012 05:59pm
...Than why do you sound so worried and defensive about the Hindu Religion? Is it because you see the conversion of the lower Castes to other religions at an increasing rate? At this rate there will be no one to support the life style the upper Castes have become accustomed to at the expense of the lower.
Jul 29, 2012 05:19am
Very good article in exposing the bigotry and extremism of religion in Pakistan upon which it was founded. Pakistan would have been a great country if it had more people like Ms. Faiza Mirza. You are a real truthful journalist. Thanks.
Jul 29, 2012 05:42am
it is funny...islam appears to be one way street...you can come in but can't go out ...ever thought about it ?
Manoranjan Kumar
Jul 29, 2012 09:04am
During the rule of muslim rulers in India, lower cast hindus, many zamindars and their land owning farmers converted to Islam. Converting to islam has its benefits in government jobs, schemes and notably safety from undue conviction. The more the state perpetrated state sponsored crime and conviction against Hindus, the more people converted to Islam, until Hindu middle class decided to fight back. Guru Gobind Singh's father was beheaded in his Zamindari for not converting to Islam. The son who was very young at that time, raised the first Militia Gurilla army against the Muslim rulers. This gave a lot of confidence to land owning middle class Hindus. And British Punjab became the epicenter of this militia. The cruelty that People commit to their own is always more than they commit to others. This has not been proven once but most of the time. From Hitler's Germany to Communist Cuba, China and USSR. The example of same is India, Pakistan and Afganistan. We are one and we have the enough courage to be cruel to our own. The Punjabi muslims of Pakistan are fighting the Indian Punjabis. The Bengali Muslim and Hindus are living at peace, same with Bihari, UP and southern Hindu and Muslims. The Great Sub-continent is fighting the Punjabi War.
Jul 29, 2012 06:00am
Shah Saheb: just imagine a Muslim converting to any other religion was shown on TV. Few hundred would have been killed, propert worth millions destroyed.v
Jul 30, 2012 07:31am
Give skywards points for successful conversions ................
Jul 29, 2012 06:12am
my dear brother do you know what happened to Sir Javid Ghamidi .. he had to run to Malaysia and Middle East to save his life from fanatics..
Jul 29, 2012 06:14am
dude... tell me how about a muslim guy convert to christianity or hindusim? I am sure I can find atleast one Muslim who might be ready to convert.. so will I be allowed to show it on TV?
Jul 29, 2012 06:19am
Forced conversion or not , this balatant dispaly on TV proves only one thing to me. Pakisatni Muslims have an inferiority complex about their religon and have absolutely zero understanding of the Prophet of Islam and how he ahs asked Muslims to conduct their lives. This gross "showing off" is a sign of an immature society. Will the same TV station broadcast my life where I gave up "silly" Islam for a real religon. Would the people of Pakistan have the guts to call me up and congradulate me? A dead nation living with a dead religon and practising Islam without understanding it!!!!
Jul 29, 2012 06:20am
it's TRP stunt..in India, few days back a girl got molested by this so called gernalist who provoked and shoot the film. Check that guys account
Jul 29, 2012 06:21am
Very Well written.. A tragedy of our society which is taking it down into deeper filth every passing day. Be it killing of Hazaras, Brutal massacre of Ahmadies on May 28th 2010 (and every other day), demolishing minarates of Ahmadi Mosques, erasing Kalima from Ahmadi Mosques, vandalizing Churches ... This whole thing sufficiently depicts the mindset of extremest forces in this country. But even more shocking and disturbing aspect is the silence of masses. The combination of aggressive extremism and silent majority is a perfect recipe for disaster which has proved to be perfect for this land of pure. Even Bigger Tragedy: No one really cares about it and things are getting worse. Everyone keeps on listing the terrible things happening to the society from target killing to corruption, from civil unrest to load-shedding, from floods to drought and so on and on. But no one thinks in the right direction. When you start interfering in God's affairs (and yes, FAITH is undoubtedly an affair of God, no one has any right whatsoever to interfere), then you will be the one having cursed.
Jul 29, 2012 06:22am
news should be if someone convert from islam to hinduism in pakistan. Majority to minority is not a big news
Jul 29, 2012 06:28am
What have you done to stop this in pakistan?
Jul 30, 2012 07:49am
ok, fair enough raiha.. i agree to couple of your points when you say that for few bad muslims, not all muslims are bad guys.. and no religion is bad.... although i didn't get who were you actually pointing your reply to.... deep down in your blood line there is a hindu connection, so just that that your forefathers have converted years before doesn't give you any right to say anything anything bad about your former religion.. thats fundamentalism and hypocrisy at its best.. hinduism is still evolving even after 1000s of yrs, it is free from reforms, hindus are rejecting stuff that doesnt go with the modern world of living..... caste-ism, sati practise for ex..... when you say hinduism must be the reason why society givers preference to boys or girls, are you talking about pakistani society too... if yes, then i would say even after 100s of yrs later you are still under the shadows of hinduism... and may be this will go on and on..... as for the male preferences, you can only see it in places where education has not yet reached in india.. come to our cosmos and you will what i am talking about.. few questions, why is that the entire world seeing muslims through shaddy eyes, what is the reason?? why pakistanis are ashamed of their identity when living outside their country, when asked which country they belong they ashamedly say INDIA. why in every places there is a muslim society involved in conflicts, why cant you guys live in peace with others. why all the terrorists, evil mongers, hatred spewers are living in pakistan.. why the heck is america bombarding your motherland, what was OBL doing inside your territory..... why are you guys so intorelant towards other minorities.... where have the 15% hindus from 1947 gone... why is there no hue and cry after what transpired on the televison the other night..... have you spoken with the same length had a muslim being converted to hinduism live on screen.... i guess not.... hypocrites dont' have voices and face to show. my point here is, it doesn't make sense to preach others when you know the fault lies within you... in your country... in your peoples interpretation about it... may be thats what needs a chance....just saying few Muslims doesn't make all Muslim bad will not be good enough... point out those few bad Muslims, tell the world what bad they are doing and condemn the evil that they do, only then you will get your due respect around.
Dr. Sivalingam
Jul 30, 2012 02:00am
The spectacle, aimed at humiliating the Hindu minority using the conversion of a naive and immature Hindu boy into Islam, with spectators cheering what many believe was a forced or, at least, a coerced conversion, has been widely condemned by many international organizations worldwide. It is a sorry plight to see journalism, considered the watchdog of the day-to-day happenings in a state, used by Khan to glorify Islam and play into the hands of the mullahs and religious extremists. Pakistan, in the eyes of the world, was never -- and is still not -- a democracy because its institutions are weak, the governance is downright bad and the media, the fourth estate, unable or unwilling to perform its watchdog role in society that is staring into a dangerous abyss of self-destruction.
Jul 30, 2012 03:05am
And,what kind of law is that? Secular Islamic or arbitary?
Jul 30, 2012 02:36am
It's amazing to see how Pakistanis have forgotten their Hindu roots.
waseem ahmed khan
Jul 30, 2012 05:50am
i agree with the writer i am totally ashamed of being pakistani muslim
Jul 30, 2012 02:42am
Maya Khan & her new employers are not fools. They are merely cashing in on the increasing intollerance & bigotry of a failing society. One wonders, is she smart enough to realize that the same intollerance that feeds the victimization of its minority is also going to shut out its women gradually.
Jul 30, 2012 02:47am
Whom the gods destroy, first they make mad. Pakistan is mad.
Ali Hassan
Jul 30, 2012 02:54am
zach ... its ironic you raise ur voice against the muslim massacre in burma but you pakistanies so easily close your eyes when it comes to ethnic cleansing of Shias in your country. I never saw anybody on facebook or even any articles or media hype about systematic killing of shias in pakistan (from parachinar to karachi to quetta). No body even protested about the brutal killings in Bahrain by the saoodi mercernaries.... yes indeed... what is hapening in burma is deplorable but atleast show the same standards everywhere...
Jul 30, 2012 03:04am
Sunil did a good thing..he just wanted to be alive I think?!?!? Ah Mr.Secular Jinnah...you chose an anthem for the Land of the Pure written by a Hindu Jaganath Azad...and look where is your land now?
Jul 30, 2012 03:09am
God need not step in Pakistan to decimate it.The citizenry of The Land of the Pure have decimated themselves by shunning secularism
Jul 30, 2012 07:43am
Muslim rulers were one of the most barbarian rulers. Come to India and visit some of the historical temples. They were all destroyed by Muslim rulers. Gazni invaded India 17 times to loot. Coming to the point of why Indian population was not converted to Islam, reason is simple. Muslim rulers did not rule the entire region at the same time. It was in some packets only. India (even current pakistan was part of it then) had several kingdoms that were ruled by different kings. So Hinduism remain intact in most of the places. It will be a joke if you say Muslims are tolerant to other religions. The current strength of minorities in Pakistan (a mere 3% and constantly reducing) proves the point. And minorities are being treated like Dirt. Name one person who is currently holding any important position. There is NONE. Re-read what @Mukhtar has point out and check if those facts are true of not.
Jul 30, 2012 03:47am
Read Indian history from first invader from Afghanistan side. Fore father of all Pakistani were Hindu once upon a time & rest is history. Find out how they converted.
Dhanus Menon
Jul 30, 2012 03:57am
Check your own history. Muslim invaders killer innumerable hindus and budhists. The history ur taught is flawed my friend.
Jul 30, 2012 04:00am
And Taliban will will hunt down like rabbit. As the will not find any cave or fox hole to hide. So many time I think you guys should have learn the lesson from last four experience. But NO.
Jul 30, 2012 04:05am
Pakistan does not Religious conversion Shows to become a Strong and Prosperous nation, but instead needs a Aamir Khan like Satyameva Jayate Show which has opened the eyes of all Indians about various topics that would otherwise been not discussed in pubic.Such a show should be telecast in PTV so that all Pakistanis can wacth it. A very good article indeed.
Jul 30, 2012 04:06am
These type of incidents may well please the believers, but it gives immeasurable bad impression on Islam to other religions in this holy month of Ramzan.. Most disgusting thing is that the media being instrumental in this act..
Jul 30, 2012 04:18am
Why nonmuslims convert to Islam.ask the westners and all others.It is because Islam appeals human nature and the principles are only for the betterment of humanity that is why though non-practicing Muslims keep on tarnishing Islam but when a nonmuslims read quran they cannot resist it because the truth in quran has the greatest appeal so Islam is growing in USA and Europe where there is no forced conversion so blaming Islam is based on bias since no other religions the comprehensive tenets like Islam which covers all spheres of human life example hinduism,Christianity,budhism etc don't have an elaborate economic system but Islam has extensive economic system so in conclusion it is the wholeness in Islam which attracts people all over the world furthermore quran is scientific and described facts in quran have been proven by new scientific knowledge unlike other religion which with time are disproven themselves.I hope folks and the writer understand why Islam is the fastest growing religion
Jul 30, 2012 04:20am
Channels, production houses and anchorpersons are merely in a commercial marathon to take lead over their competitors. Portraying "practicing religion" is just another format of their “Morning shows”.
Jul 30, 2012 04:27am
u are saying no one in India cant even right such articles??:p well we know that!
Jul 30, 2012 04:34am
Dear Ms. Mirza, Thank you for writing regarding what on the minds of many. You are right to point out the fallacies of the quiet majority. We give favoritism to a certain religion without the regard of minorities and their statuses. We are lucky that we happened to be an Indian minority who were blessed with the leadership of our Quaid-e-Azam who was able to empower a religious minority. Now we are faced with the task of empowering the minorities of our own country. While the events in Burma are raising eyebraws, as they should, we should be more concerned about the status of our own minorities which we have a greater control over. We often say Education is the solution, but most of us who read Dawn are educated, but have done little, or nothing at all, for the status of minorities in Pakistan. I share your views regarding the status of minorities in Pakistan. All humans are created equal and must be treated with respect and dignity. Pakistan is home to some of the sacred temples of Sikhs, Hindus, and Bhuddists. We are home of first four civilizations, which constitute of ancient religions. Your awareness of this brings forward the heart of the matter. Thank you for writing this and for speaking up for a minority whose voices are often taken for granted. We have many miles to cross, but we will get there. Thank you for your article.
Jul 30, 2012 04:35am
oh boy oh boy! even if the invaders have converted Hindus into Muslims by force they should be no Hindu in India right now Muslims rule for over 800 years! get ur facts right! if Hindus are converting to Islam by force 60 years is along period to convert a 3% minority! live ur life boys!!!! u got a state minister in Gujarat responsible for Muslims manslaughter are here u are spreading chanting about peace and love of minorities!
Jul 30, 2012 04:38am
give me the fact!!!! ur hatred just make me smile and shows how fearfuller u are!
Jul 30, 2012 04:39am
First they came for the Christians. And I stayed silent. THEN they came for the Sikhs. I still stayed silent. Then the Hindus, Jains, Gujjars. I absolutely stayed silent. Then they came for me. And there was no one to save me. The fate of Pakistanis future rests in the present day fate of its minorities.
partab rai
Jul 30, 2012 04:53am
Good article
Jul 30, 2012 05:14am
Anyone can make you fool in the name of islam.
Jul 30, 2012 05:15am
Aldo, that literacy leads to smaller families cannot be disputed. I do agree that the % of Muslims is going up in India more due to larger familes amonsgt Muslims and less due to conversions. I also agree that the % of Christians has not gone up significantly. But I do see hordes of poor Hindus being converted to Christianity all around me. Beacsue of the huge population, conversions do make a huge impact on the overall demography. That is what I meant by " who cares if one or a million convert to other religions" because the base is large enough to absorb its impact.
Jul 30, 2012 05:19am
Yes sir, you are right, I do care and it does hurt! What I meant was it is not going to change the demography of India all that much. A billion minus one Hindu is still almost a billion Hindus!
Jul 30, 2012 05:24am
Dear Shankar, I agree with most what you wrote. I admire you on your choice of words and sentences......soothing and conciallatory but very pointed same time and does not allow someone to counter. Your sentence that " Unfortunately Islam is Looked at being at war with rest of the world........." Is that what you think also? Muslim extremism is created by Imperial powers to follow through their AGENDA of TOTAL world domination. Read the unclassified CIA papers and other literature. Islam was the target since 1970s. After Communism ONLY ISLAM is perceived as a THREAT.......and they want to annihilate all muslim population centers one by one and present day situation will testify this fact. This is a well thought out plan and is a Modern day Crusade in a new style.
Jul 30, 2012 06:53am
No she will be shot if she goes to the market alone
A Rehman
Jul 30, 2012 05:46am
Well commented. I would like to Sarcastically congratulate the writer for this useless piece of mockery. 3 cheers for Maya Khan and all those who have motivated any hindu, sikh, Xian, Ahmadi for embracing Islam.
Shrirang, Mumbai
Jul 30, 2012 05:49am
Wait for next 100 years, there will be no minority in pakistan. It will be PAKistan(PURE) in true sense. We agree there are some problems in india , But muslims in india are progressing, % of muslim population has increased substantially since partition.
Shrirang, Mumbai
Jul 30, 2012 06:08am
Mr usama, check ur facts, alway dont blow ur trumpet on Narendra Modi. You say Narendra modi systematically killed muslim, In first place why such riots happned in peaceful & prosporous state like GUJRAT. My friend gujrat riots are direct response to systematic massacre of 56 hindu pilgrimage. We are ashamed of gujrat riots happned in india. But people from both the religions are too be blamed equally. People like you are easy prey to zaid hamid,
Jul 30, 2012 06:20am
Yes, Julia Roberts Became Hindu, Ford became Hindu. But its essentially not ceremonial. Its agreeing to basic tenets of religion, Life death cycle, Concept of God etc. Most Converts in West are through Yoga Foundations.
Jul 30, 2012 06:18am
Nobody Except you will agree to this. And Your Ancestors made a mistake. Think Rationally
Dr.Farooq Ahmad.
Jul 30, 2012 06:36am
If the boy has converted to Islam with his free will there is no harm in broadcasting it live, we must all learn to tolerate each other and respect all religions this is what Quaid has told us...
Jul 30, 2012 06:38am
O boy ! O boy ! wait wait... Gujrat Riots was retaliation of killing Hindu Pilgrims. Tell me what would have happenned if 56 Hajis would have been burned by Hindus in Pak. I can only think !! and yes Gujrat Riots - 2000 killed. 1992 army operation in Karachi - 20,000 Muhaijirs killed And yes We Hindus survived becoz we retaliated and gave invaders taste of their own medicine. We survived becoz of Sikhs, Assamese, Jats, Rajputs, Marathas, Tamils and other brave people.
Jul 30, 2012 06:42am
We are trying very hard, Infact very very hard to live peacefully with muslims and we have succeeded to a large extent. I hope if indian muslims stay away from wahabbism, we will be successful. Shia Sunni relationship is also cordial in India and India has worlds second larget Shia population. ahimsa - non violence is a Indian concept, But if u ridicule, kill pilgrims and burn trains then you will also face the music.....
Afshan Khan
Jul 30, 2012 11:19am
correct !
Jul 30, 2012 06:16pm
If he does, it is rightly so. Look at the nmber of thumbs down he has got, it proves his point.
Wesley S.
Jul 30, 2012 06:23pm
The Noble Qur'an. Read it. It is Allah's Word. Nothing else will do. Even a translation will suffice. Try it.
Jul 30, 2012 06:35pm
“he is not saying anything about India here.” He indeed is. By implication. As is obvious to the average reader. And your coming to his aid and defense proves, and removes any doubt, that the implication is valid. “Writing this sort of an article in Pakistan is one of the most courageous thing” Actually its publication by Dawn proves that there is freedom of speech and expression in Pakistan that no other country in the World can match.
Jul 30, 2012 06:47pm
The Taliban Warrior is a mighty hunter. As the US-NATO-Pakistan Axis Complex is finding out.
Jul 30, 2012 07:04pm
"Mandal commission...fight recently in Rajastan between two communities on claims who is lower in the caste ranking....." Sir, you are simply fleshing out the details of Caste warfare, the awareness of its absurdity, and the rebellion against the system among the lower Castes. I had but put it concisely and succinctly: "They are ringing the death knell of Hinduism...it would seize to exist". Thank you for explaining the process and supplying details. Much obliged.
Jul 30, 2012 07:21pm
Please don't live in shame. That is awful. Crossover the border and convert. You will probably have to start at the bottom untouchable level or less. Wish you this respectable proud life, away from the shame you live in as a Pakistani Muslim.
Gabriela Nawaz
Jul 30, 2012 07:33pm
Whose humanity? The Brahmin or the Dalet?
Jul 30, 2012 07:47pm
couldnt agree more...
Jul 30, 2012 07:58pm
Agree with you Hitesh, Muslim world has nothing to be proud of when it comes to accepting and RESPECTING other religions. I am ashamed. Try building a Mandir in Saudi Arabia, the THEKEDAR of the Muslims. Muslims sing and dance when others convert to Islam but did you know the punishment for a Muslim who converts to any other religion????. DEATH :)
Jul 30, 2012 08:03pm
Agree. BUT we in Pakistan like wearing our religion on our sleeves......and this is just for SHOW...nothing else....As for Maya Khan, would she show a Musim converting to Hinduism?????. Not a million years....YOU ARE DISGUSTING
Jul 30, 2012 08:16pm
Very well said. I was of a Christian background Agnostic, Atheist. I studied the scriptures of many religions and their Holy Books. The appeal of Islam, as I read the Qur'an, I found irresistible. Once I had opened it I could not put it down. The more I read, the more I wanted to read. Each time I read, a new level, aspect, and observation and meaning I reached, as it revealed itself to me...as if a layer peeled to a deeper layer. The Truth unfolded for me. And beyond... A great sense of peace, understanding and beauty entered my soul. I was lost and wandering. I am so very indebted to Allah for allowing me this opportunity, directing me, to to His Love, Mercy and Grace embedded in His Word: The Glorious Qur'an. A Blessing. It would seem from comments here that most have not read it , or it has not allowed itself to be reached by them, some who may indeed have read it but never were allowed in...
Jul 30, 2012 08:19pm
"They are merely cashing in on the increasing intollerance & bigotry of a failing society. " As is Dawn and the author of this article.
Jul 30, 2012 08:23pm
... yet you are allowed the freedom to come here and freely criticise the land and religion of the host.
Jul 30, 2012 08:25pm
Not only Maya and Dawn but that is how the author profits by inducing hostility and schism.
Jul 30, 2012 08:27pm
If Maya was off Tv how would you be having this discussion?
Mirza Bage
Jul 30, 2012 08:29pm
Faiza Mirza may be a minority. It is her way of causing mutual hate and disarray and thus get even with those who declared her a minority.
Jul 30, 2012 08:39pm
Jul 30, 2012 08:41pm
Where did you get that gem?
Jul 30, 2012 08:44pm
Don't open yours, or what brains you have will fall out.
Jul 30, 2012 08:48pm
Then how come your President and his power mongers are all Sindhis?
Pakistani Muslim Guy
Jul 30, 2012 09:02pm
"...after all the prayers,they are still the poorest people." The world over Muslims are the most wealth. And Allah's Unlimited Bounty is given at His Will. Not by Prayers alone, which are but a knock on His Door. Look at the Arabs...they are lazy, do little work but have been given wealth beyond measure. And they are merely frittering it away in hedonistic pleasures. Accountability is awaiting...
Jul 30, 2012 09:06pm
Murder her?
Jul 30, 2012 09:26pm
As an Hindu i believe in deity and Hindu principles but its personal to me.....i will never enforce it on 3rd person not even on my children's....they are free to choose their own religion or they can be Atheists also....their choice!! Religious intolerance is the biggest enemy of humanity!!
Jul 30, 2012 09:40pm
and if this is how the muslim train is supposed to run, then its bound to be derailed Sir!
Jul 30, 2012 09:49pm
aa - your IQ level shows that you see everything through Islamic view and I am sure you are very proud of it. Dont say more!!! If a thing is easy to understand, it should be equally easy to practice and if its not, then there is nothing to understand nor to practice in it. Hope you see that sense now.
Jul 30, 2012 09:57pm
Sindhis, inherently are smart yaar!!! A
Jul 31, 2012 10:31am
You dont have any minority, You have already finished them.
Owais Siddiqui
Jul 30, 2012 10:22pm
You were asleep when Ramday was made chief justice like few others in past.
Owais Siddiqui
Jul 30, 2012 10:51pm
Exact nonsense! Hindus, Christian and others have their right to practice their religion in Pakistan. They do have their civil rights and freedom to practice their religion. So in which part of Pakistan their temples or churches are bannished and they are not allowed to practice It is only these eccentric cases which make it different and not the overall majority. In France Jew can wear their head gear, a nun can wear her scarf but can a muslim women wear her scarf? no but your type of ultra activist wouldn't dare to say anything about it. What do you have to say about the forced conversions of Indian Christians to Hinduism which happenly regularly. The latest was on July 18th, did you say anything about it? Or your task is only to blame and rubbish the whole muslim nation?
Owais Siddiqui
Jul 30, 2012 11:00pm
This is too much exageration of the fact. There is no doubt that in Indian Jails the number one population of criminals is Hindus.
Owais Siddiqui
Jul 30, 2012 11:11pm
You forgot about Ramday brothers who just retired being Chief Justice of Pakistan. Do you know Cowasjee who has been one of the most prominent writer for DAWN.
Jul 31, 2012 01:09am
Kisiko convert kia -- Almost 20 years ago, I saw a Pakistani television program on local Virginia (USA) channel. A lady was interviewing a sweet 13 (or 14) year old girl with hijab. Her first question was 'Aap to achchha muslim ledki hai, up-ne kisi-ko convert kia?'. I was stunned. Pakistan, so far from Allah, so near to these muslims! BTW, a brilliant article by a brave writer! From an agnostic born in a hindu family, and no one in my family bothers
Afshan Khan
Jul 31, 2012 01:35am
Ya , because Alhamdolilah we have not done anything like Gujarat violence
Afshan Khan
Jul 31, 2012 02:01am
Indian media shows all the Muslim actors doing pooja ,playing holi and celebrating dewali but no body cares about the feelings of Indian minorities . hahahahah what a justice! All the Indians are showing here that they are very polite with their minorities I don't understand where was this politeness gone in 2002 during Gujarat violence . we all know about shiv sena who are completely against of muslims . we don't have any party who is against of minority . I'm a Pakistani and we really don't have time to think about majority or minority .everyone is busy here in their own life .
Jul 31, 2012 03:16am
@Raiha, India's Top Nuclear Scientist - Adbul kalam India's Most popular President - Adbul Kalam India's most popular film stars - Aamir Khan, Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan India's Most popular film lyricists - Javed Akhtar, Gulzar .......... ......... I have just given a very few names here. Google for more info. I think this is enough to say how the minorities are being treated in India. Just point one important non-muslim in pakistan. Change your mindset towards Indian for good.
Jul 31, 2012 04:21am
The fact that is true is that you can post your long winded aburdities here. That is tolerance.
Jul 31, 2012 04:38am
Your IQ is demonstrated in the quality of your fallacious argument. Perhaps someday someone one will be able to help you figure out the errors in your thinking for yourself.
Jul 31, 2012 04:46am
Your statement proves that you do know that whether your children believe in your belief system or not is irrelevant...because your beliefs have no relevance in truth. So it matters not the fantasy. A parent who has any truth to offer, he will bequeath it to his children for sure.
Jul 31, 2012 04:50am
It is called freedom of speech. The other party in turn has the freedom to sue...not murder, as you propose.
Jul 31, 2012 04:53am
Muslims are the wealthiest of people in the whole world.
Jul 31, 2012 05:00am
"did you know the punishment for a Muslim who converts to any other religion????. DEATH :)" Not so. What you say is not true. One liners parroted from the Internnet cannot replace facts and Truth.
Jul 31, 2012 05:01am
Jul 31, 2012 05:03am
A FALSE and arrogant assumption
Shabaaz Ghori
Jul 31, 2012 05:17am
Taliban will hunt you like a cat does a mouse. Specially the like of you and your ilk.
Haroona Gul
Jul 31, 2012 05:38am
By posting reviews on the incident is like adding fuel to fire. I do not know what the Muslims scholars have to say about all this but I am feeling bad on reading articles about the incident. I do not watch Tv because most things broadcast on it are fake but to write up on such a sensitive issue may make matters more worse. It would have been much better, had the write ups been delivered in a positive way to let the people of all religions know that Islam is a religion of peace but a certain part of the society is using it for their own gains. I shall again say a Muslim scholar will be able to explain things more correctly but for me, who has not watched the program and only read about the reaction, this is not how we should react, its like spreading more hatred among other Religions.
Jul 31, 2012 05:39am
Specially you.
Haroona Gul
Jul 31, 2012 05:47am
Exactly Zubair, this is what I wanted to highlight. Such write-ups can spread more hatred among the Religions. If that person has converted with Consent, then we should not be spreading hatred just for the sake of it. The elite of the society take up a non-issue and the rest follow. We should have a practical thinking and do our homework before writing something so sensitive.
Haroona Gul
Jul 31, 2012 05:51am
Mr. Hem, no Religion is wrong. Islam is a religion of peace. We have churches, temples, etc and people from all the religions live with peace in Pakistan. Every religion consists of good and bad people. Your experience with Muslims may not have been good enough but kindly correct your approach.
Afshan Khan
Jul 31, 2012 05:52am
what do think we dont hindus level of casts?
Jul 31, 2012 05:52am
They should get out. Out of the homes of others they have occupied by force. And leave the owners to live their lives in peace.
Jul 31, 2012 06:00am
See we can be form different cast but then the same point at which we should have a consensus is that we all are Muslims and then We are Pakistani, irrespective of being Shia, Sunni or any other caste. i strongly believes in Be Pakistani Buy Pakistani
Haroona Gul
Jul 31, 2012 06:00am
I agree with you Mr. Tahir
Yusuf Baloch
Jul 31, 2012 06:53am
Z.A.Baloch saab, nope, i think i will be happy with a separate motherland, i don't want to do anything with this crazy society in which unfortunately i am part of at this time..... look at bangladesh and its progress... it is fairing far superior than its original country... i want my bulochistan to be like that and i wont have it unless we free ourselves from the clutches of this ignorant, wild and illiterate pakistani society.
Jul 31, 2012 06:59am
i think there is some reference of Jagan Nath Azad writting the tarana-e-pakistan on the behest of Jinnah saab which was played on the 14th aug 1947 night in Lahore Radio. Have a look to the wikipedia links of Jagan Nath Azad, there is a whole column on this.
Jul 31, 2012 07:06am
so Danista, be truthful to yourself and tell me how would you treat a person converted from islam to christianity or hinduism.
Jul 31, 2012 07:08am
with such things happening around you mate, no your are not PAK then... :)
Jul 31, 2012 07:14am
PRIVATELY... its not a wedding or some show to showcast on the television in front of million viewers....nor something to sing praises for..... show some courtesy, respect and understanding for the 2-3% of minorities left in your country..... would you mind someone showing conversion of a person from islam to hinduism or christianity PUBLICLY and on TV as you said ?? guess not.. so don't argue on something which doesn't hold water on fairer grounds... i would stop myself calling you a hypocrite. religion itself is a private affair not to be advertised in out open....
Jul 31, 2012 07:17am
The comparison had left me pondering.
Jul 31, 2012 08:37am
i just want to relate a small example here. All Pakistanis have doubtless heard of music maestro A R Rahman, right? Do tou all know that when he converted to Islam just a few years ago, he was alteady well lnown. yet there was absolutely no hoohaa or controversy or huge national debates over his conversion, the whole Country continued to admire him and heap him with love and affection, and when he won an Oscar, the nation was so proud! Now just do a little introspection, , dear Pakistanis and tell me, had it been the other way around, he wpuldve been hunted down and killed! Then tell me which in practice is a more tolerant faith, Islam or Hinduism.
Adeel Arif
Aug 01, 2012 07:36am
Dear All, It is with a heavy heart that i say that what has been done is wrong. but i think it is my moral duty to enlighten you that what has transpired was done by the hands of people (MERE HUMANS) who claim to be muslims. MUSALMAN is not just a name and ISLAM is not just another religion it is based on very strong grounds. So first study it as i am ashamed to say people of muslim world have drasticly failed to provide a clear picture of ISLAM and its TOLERANCE.
Aug 01, 2012 01:06pm
Muslims, except for the ones in the Sub-Continent, are the most wealthy in the world.
Aug 02, 2012 05:17pm
Muslims in Bosnia were OK until Yugoslavia was into pieces. Muslims from Saudi, Pakistan went there and brainwashed the simple Bosnian muslims and instigated them to fight for a muslim nation. With Cechnya , it is the same. Pakis and Saudis went in and set up thousands of mosques and brainwashed them. I have a Chinese muslim friend, who is a very nice, kind and helpful person - real human being. We work in the same company along with many Pakis. The Pakis want him to be with them and attend prayers/rituals etc. and make him radical. My chinese friend is smart enough to avoid the Pakis company.
Aug 02, 2012 05:26pm
Yes, you don't have any minority so chill. I'm from Gujarat. I grew up in the 60's and had many muslim friends. We used to celebrate Id and Diwali together and visit each other house. During the 1980's, Saudi dollars started coming in and within few years, there were more than 10,000 madrasas sprang up in the coastal areas. Students are taught only from Quran, nothing else. How could these kids compete for jobs without any knowledge of English or Gujarati ? Gujarat riots was started by such muslim elements who lived near the Godhra railway station. Stop crying about Godhra riots, and think about the way your Army treated Bangladeshi Hindus and also your Bangladeshi sisters, mother.
Aug 02, 2012 05:40pm
If you are genuinely concerned, convert back to your forefather's religion and set up an example
Aug 02, 2012 05:45pm
Forget about converting to Hindu. You and your family will be killed . Islam, has only one way traffic. You can be converted to Islam, but you cannot convert to any other religion. Punishment is death.
Afshan Khan
Aug 03, 2012 01:02am
absolutely correct raiha
Afshan Khan
Aug 03, 2012 01:06am
tooo gud Khan .
Afshan Khan
Aug 03, 2012 01:17am
there is no caste system in Islam it is some thing which came form India because of migration
Aug 03, 2012 11:27pm
"you cannot convert to any other religion. Punishment is death. " Sir, this statement is not true.
Aug 03, 2012 11:57pm
..and end with mine.
Aug 04, 2012 12:08am
A Muslim is proud to be Muslim. There is nothing secret, nothing to hide. Only in shame does one hide. As answer for your other question, The Christians are telecasting Muslim 'conversions' by satellite all the time. No problem, except they are paid enactments, publicity stunts, nothing more.
Aug 04, 2012 12:12am
Exactly as the Quran says: "There is no complusion in religion." "To you your religion, to me mine."
El Cid
Aug 04, 2012 12:19am
You have analysed and presented it rather well. A Muslim scholar may not have done any better.
Wisal A.
Aug 04, 2012 03:33am
A jackel yapping in the dark.
Aug 04, 2012 03:35am
What are you on?
Aug 04, 2012 03:39am
Hit the nail on the head.