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Time for Shias to leave Pakistan

Published Feb 17, 2013 01:01pm


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It is a massacre alright. Sunni extremists, aligned with Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, are killing Shias by the dozens in Pakistan.

I was yet to compile the list of the 106 (mostly Shias) killed in the twin bomb blasts in Quetta last month, that the news of another bomb blast killing yet another 84 (mostly Shias) in Quetta came over the wire. As the Shia massacres in Pakistan gain momentum, the State, including the Superior Courts, appear completely impotent.

In such troubling times some Shias may have a choice. They may sit and wait for a messiah or relocate to a Shia-exclusive enclave elsewhere, or to escape from Pakistan altogether. It may sound harsh, but it is an inescapable truth that Pakistan has been run over by the extremists and life is going to be even tougher for the minorities and moderate Sunnis in the near future.

In the two consecutive months this year, bomb blasts have killed hundreds of Shia Hazaras in Quetta, a Garrison town where each and every street is manned by intelligence operatives. Still, the militants operate with impunity. Saturday’s bomb blast, which has killed over 80 and injured hundreds, occurred almost within a month of the last bomb blast that delivered even a higher death toll.

Space is fast running out in Shia graveyards in Quetta. It may be the time for Shias to relocate to protect their next generation.

Many naively believe that peace will prevail in Pakistan and Afghanistan after the scheduled withdrawal of Nato troops from Afghanistan in 2014. While I vehemently oppose prolonging the stay of the Nato forces in the region, still I believe this would spell even a bigger disaster for the minorities in Pakistan. The battle-hardened veterans of the Afghan war will return to Pakistan to target Shias, Ahmadis, and other religious minorities. Even Barelvis may not escape the wrath of the mostly Deobandi-led militancy.

There are reasons for my pessimism. I saw the same happen in the late nineties when the Afghan war veterans were pushed into Indian-administered Kashmir. The resulting militancy left over 70,000 dead in Kashmir but failed to make any tangible progress towards the resolution of the dispute that has pitched India, Pakistan, and Kashmiris in a deadly decades old conflict.

What looked like a gory beginning of a new millennium in Indian-administered Kashmir, the security landscape however suddenly transformed in 2002 when the militants started to relocate to Pakistan and Afghanistan to join the Pashtun Taliban. The result was a decline in militancy which is evident from the graph below that shows the drop in the number of news reports about militancy in Srinagar starting after 2002.

Source: Tabulations by the author using the Factiva (2013) database.
Source: Tabulations by the author using the Factiva (2013) database.

A spike in militancy in Pakistan however is observed at the same time when militancy subsided in Indian-administered Kashmir. See the graph below that documents the number of civilians and security force personnel who became victims of terrorist violence in Pakistan. Since 2003, Pakistan has been the target of terrorism orchestrated by the very agents who once afforded the state its strategic depth.

Source: (Feb. 15, 2013).
Source: (Feb. 15, 2013).

Shias and other religious minorities are the most targeted in Pakistan. No city is safe anymore. The past few weeks saw the targeted killing of Shia lawyers, doctors, and other professionals in Peshawar. Shia legislators were shot dead in Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi. While the State is struggling to suppress violence against Shias, the deep-rooted support for militants in society and the inadequate judicial system in Pakistan has created the situation where hardly any terrorist has been convicted of sectarian or other terrorism in Pakistan. In the past few years, several known militants have been set free by the courts because of the archaic judicial system that is incapable of convicting those involved in the modern-day guerilla warfare.

Some, not all, Shias have a choice. They can abandon the death traps in Quetta and Peshawar by relocating to the Shia majority areas in Karachi, Lahore, and other cities. A better option is to plead with the embassies in Islamabad for asylum for the Shia, especially the Hazara, youth.

Seeking asylum abroad may not win the approval of Pakistan’s superior courts, who have recently mocked those who held dual citizenship. However, it is better to be alive in exile than to be splattered on a wall in Pakistan.


Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is the Associate Dean of research and graduate programs at the Ted Rogers School of Management at Ryerson University in Toronto. He can be reached by email at


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Comments (464) Closed

koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:48pm
Hussaini saheb...all I would say is with all its faults the foundation of the indian constitution is rock solid.
S.A.Hyder.Ph.D. Feb 18, 2013 03:48pm
The terrorists are very well known as well as their motives. After every bombing they openly announce who they are and that they have done it. What more information do we need?
Aqil Siddiqi Feb 19, 2013 04:22am
Yeh right, so then why they left India in the first place
Khan Feb 19, 2013 03:24am
Stop lying
Global Indian Feb 19, 2013 06:21am
Pakistan was destined for this. A wrong path will take you to destruction ONLY, later or sooner.
shandar khan Feb 19, 2013 06:20am
prakash,its sad that terrorists do it,not pakistan or its people.
AlgerianFreedom Feb 19, 2013 04:17am
You should give the rest of the story besides quoting from your phrase book. What business had the French to be in Algeria? They exploited their resouces while torturing and killing them for no reason except that they could.
Abdul j Sheikh Feb 17, 2013 06:24pm
Shia will never leave Pakistan.All the important land in all the big cities of Pakistan owned by shias. All the Bureaucracies represent larger number of shias. Pakistan's financial (banking, insurance. equities and etc.) system has larger number of shias in key positions. You still think, they gonna leave?
Zimbo_Indian Feb 17, 2013 04:19pm
I think Shia - Sunni peaceful coexistence is a figment of imagination. In my home town of Lucknow, I have never heard of Hindu - Muslim riots. But Shia - Sunni riots, especially during Muharram, are common place.
Anam Feb 18, 2013 09:35pm
Leaving wont solve the problem. And as you said " Sunni militants " - They are just Militants - Barbarians who have no religion whatsoever. What are they fighting for, and by killing what are they trying to prove. This is not a Shia problem, its a NATIONAL problem. We, as people should take a stand, a strong stand. We have a impotent government, ISI, and Army - If they cant do something - we should and sir leaving the country is not one of them. Yes these are tiring times - but this country belongs to all of us.
Aqil Siddiqi Feb 19, 2013 04:10am
Not just for your son, but for no one. What a shame.
chump Feb 19, 2013 12:05am
How come 'Vaibhav' can be Shia?
LOL Feb 18, 2013 10:17pm
Globalization is being organized as an International Caste System...where the West will exploit and enjoy the labor and resources of the poor third world countries. Globalization is an abomination. Being sold to the uneducated and the ignorant. It will enslave the masses for eternity while the Super Fat Cats prey on them aand enjoy their spoils at leisure. You obviously have no concept of economics or international finance.
ReaderComprehension Feb 19, 2013 12:45am
Quite the opposite actually from what you attribute to him.
SuperPak Feb 18, 2013 10:29pm
Your error lies in the fact that you do not appreciate what the word "beliver' means, or "Islam", or "Muslim". Once you have the definitions right, you will have the answer to the 20/200 ratio and what the Noble Quran is saying, and means by it.
Tarun Arora(India) Feb 19, 2013 03:29am
It is better to be idiot than a fanatic.
ANDY Feb 17, 2013 02:47pm
Tehreek-e-Jaffariyya Feb 17, 2013 02:48pm
FACT: Only two countries were formed from partition on Basis of Religion : PAKISTAN & ISRAEL !!
malik Feb 17, 2013 04:39pm
I think they can go to iran
Skeptic101 Feb 19, 2013 12:43am
"The Golden Words" have been poven by scholars to be not all from Ali, but added on from time to time.
anonymous indian Feb 18, 2013 10:15pm
I agree 100% with you S.A.M. It comes as a shocker to most Indians that Shias and Sunnis could kill each other. It dosen't happen in India. Yes we do admit in rural areas there have been some incidents of violence against dalits but it's not systematic and is largely due to illiteracy of people in the villages. As for Abbas- slow down in economy does not mean a weak economy unlike Pakistan's. You have external debts (from IMF and World Bank) that even a generation of your's would find impossible to pay back. We in India are not in that situation. Economic slowdown affects creation of new jobs and a large part of it has been the UPA govts. slowdown on reforms when Pranab Mukherjee was the finance minister. He is a socialist at heart and not a capitalist, and so reforms were put at the back burner. Though I must say after Chidambaram took charge last year reforms are back on the table. So in the next couple of years we should be back to 8-9 % growth atleast if not more. As for maoists- they are present only in some of the forest areas in some states. It's genesis is in the rights of the people on the natural resources of their land. They feel they should get some investment in terms of development if the mining companies are using the resources (coal, minerals) from their lands.They are no way comparable to the Islamic extremism problem you are dealing with. Infact there have been reports recently that maoism is waning because even the population in these forest areas are looking for development and not willing to get recruited by the maoists. The UPA's NREGA scheme and other pro-poor schemes implemented over the past 9 years have been slowly bringing development to these maoist areas. We see it more as a law and order problem than an insurgency.
Ms Manjee Feb 19, 2013 01:54am
Your head is stuck too deep in the sand.
abbas Feb 18, 2013 11:58pm
In Pakistan, Shia muslims are crossing a maturity barrier and for that they are paying price for that. Enemies doen't like them to grow. Their sacrifice will bring them way above others in their sense of unity, intellect, emotions and most of all serving islam....
PakDefender Feb 18, 2013 11:02pm
Indian using Pakistan media to advocate Pakistan's dismemberment. And Pak Media allowing him the opportunity and freedom to do so. The irony, truth, freedom, and hospitality that is the strength and reality of Pakistan.
SunniShiaaMuslimONE Feb 19, 2013 01:21am
Again well said. Good observation.
chump Feb 18, 2013 07:39pm
Abbasbhai, I'd love to hear it from you if you were AbbasKarachi. Your motto is - live and let die. Dur beth ke takrire karna bada aasan hai.
Syed Husain Feb 18, 2013 10:59pm
The religious sects in Pakistan had lived in relative harmony for many many years. Suddenly, within the past few years, at the end of the first Afghan war, there is so much hatred. I plead with everyone just to think why is this happening now? Who is sponsoring all of this? Who is financing and supporting this bloodshed among neighbors? I can assure you that It is not India, China, USA or Europe.
A Sunni Friend of Shiaa Feb 19, 2013 12:38am
Shiaas have a strong fundamental precedent in their religion that they don't run away from problems but solve them or fight it and die.
mazharuddin Feb 19, 2013 05:39am
No army and no strict rules would solve Karachi carnage of Sunnis and Quetta carnage of Shias unless the root causes of sectrian strife not addressed with just solution. Media should not prove biased by removing honest comments and should not encourage any sect with only one sided killings and mourning. Karachi's two billion population have been made captive, people already facing poverty and malnutrition, this is crime to block roads of Karachi and having sit-in to disturb citizens lives, who do not involve in Shia killings. Further there is need to deploy army in Karachi too and to be brought to justice of blocked roads, burnt buses etc. Why media overlooked all such. Also such vague articles having no solution and only pave the way for mourning are being shown time by time? Karachi carnage is being overlook since years? Several my comments on above article having reason and logic have been removed. Injustice.
Sue Sturgess Feb 19, 2013 02:57am
The answer does not lie in the relocation of Shias, but rather in learning acceptance and tolerance, and accommodating one another's differences. Why do some people feel so threatened just because others do not share the full extent of their religious beliefs.
ProudPakSunniShiaaFriendship Feb 19, 2013 12:31am
Power hit. Good job. You have set an excellent example for all Pakistanis to fight back at those who come here to encourage schism between brothers and abuse our hospiality provided free to them online by gracious Dawn.
Rog Davis Feb 19, 2013 01:48am
Yes, I am sure you do. Not to mention all the largess you get from the minority appeasing congress government. Nowhere else are a bunch of Muslims treated better then in India. As next of kin of Pakistani terrorists, you get jobs, bank loans, Haj pilgrimage paid by mostly Hindu taxpayers. You show no gratitue to your country of birth. Instead, you and your co-religionists indulge in crime and anti-social activities. You may be happy in India. But are the Hindus happy to have you infest India? I wish my forefathers, upon the partition of India, had the foresight to shove you all into the Land of the Pure. Then you could all dispatch each other to Allah's garden without let or hindrance in Islamic Pakistan.
ComparativeReligionStudent Feb 19, 2013 01:28am
Those are wise and even more powerful verses when read in Arabic. All Muslims please take heed. Thank you for declaring Allah's Command in context. Thank you.
SkepticOne Feb 19, 2013 01:24am
Rubbish. I have studied 1971 and interviewed many from many sides. You are wrong on all counts. This different...
Aqil Siddiqi Feb 19, 2013 04:15am
I always liked Mahatma Gandhi, but Nehru is a different story. But, I do agree, that this partition didn't work out for Pakistan.
Zimbo_Indian Feb 17, 2013 04:44pm
The two graphs shown in the article remind me of a couplet by a medieval saint-poet .... " Jo doosron ke liye khaayee khodta hai, uske liye kuan taiyaar ho jaata hai". Pakistan seems to have fallen into the pit that it dug for India.
Salman US Feb 19, 2013 01:12am
It is better to run and hide then getting killed by a bomb and blown into thousands of pieces. Genocide of Shias will continue and no one will stop it not PPP govt nor security forces. Mr.Murtaza and wise people like him saw it coming and left for good. Unfortunately your family and mlillions of other Shias did not leave and are now stuck in this slaughter and carnage.
Nisar Feb 19, 2013 01:10am
@ Saulat: You know what Im talking about brother! This silly Indian invasion on these boards is laughable. This is an internal matter, and if they think they have the slightest idea of what will work in Pakistan, they are gravely mistaken. Pakistan is ours!! Always will be!
Supachai R. Feb 18, 2013 09:17pm
Why the White House. Islamabad is the independent dignified option. Or Zardari house. Unless you are still slave of the Gora and the Yankee. Are you inviting foreign intervention in internal affairs?.
SunniShiaaMusllimONE Feb 19, 2013 01:04am
He can not but be Shiaa in name only. Shiaas don't surrender at Karbala. Shiaa don't run. Look at Iran's stand off against US-NATO-Israel-Saudi Super Axis of Terror. All Muslims can be proud of Iran. Pakistan can learn from Iran.
Jai Feb 18, 2013 10:12pm
Dual citizenshiip is a sham - and no human can truly remain loyal to two countries and more so when the countries are so far apart in racial/political alignments as Canada/UK/USA with Pakistan. If these countries draft their citizens for a fight against Pakistan, will Qadri go with these western countries - if he does, he is dis loyal to Pak and if he does not, he is disloyal to the west where he took oath - and if he can break oath in Canada, he can do so in Pak too. So far as the terrorist issue is concerned - the age old saying - "as you sow, so shall you reap" - if a government promotes terrorism in the name of Jihad - that force is going to come back on that government today or tomorrow or the day after.
SuperPak Feb 19, 2013 12:58am
And the events in India suggest that they were absolutely wrong. And Jinnah was spot on.
LOL Feb 19, 2013 12:56am
Exterminate 1.3billion humans beings. I like it Mr. Human. I like it very much. Gas chambers or ovens sir? Machine guns? Nukes? Heil Fuhrer...!
Iqbal a. Malik Feb 19, 2013 12:56am
I think you are too young and you may not remember what happened a few years ago in Ahmadabad. Please let the soul of Gandhi, he may not know that too.
Iqbal a. Malik Feb 19, 2013 12:47am
Do you know the meaning of safe? If you don,t go to ahmadabad they will tell you the real meaning of safe.
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 11:14pm
showing your true colours..
I am Hazzara Feb 18, 2013 11:14pm
Right sir. You got it right. India is the elephant in the room all are ignoring here, overlooking.
PrrP Feb 18, 2013 11:11pm
Thousands of Sunnies been killed. No questions asked.
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 11:12pm
care about your own hate filled society where RSS and Shiv Senna are spreading more hatred. Stop worrying about us. People living in glass houses.....
Shahpur Feb 19, 2013 12:03am
Yes. This THEORY is nothing but a THEORY. It did not work with East Pakistan and it is not working, with whatever is left of this THEORY.
RSS Feb 19, 2013 12:35am
Good point. Not hard to figure out that they condone it, and maybe are behind it.
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 11:17pm
why don't you move to india and find out how you are treated.
Yenoondhu Feb 19, 2013 12:21am
In Pakistan, everyone claims to be persecuted! so should we invite all pakistanis to India? India will go back by at least 20-30 years economically not to mention the sectarian strife it would cause among muslims in India. Most of the pakistanis are already brainwashed through their education that Hindus are backwards, back-stabbers etc (look up that article by a famous Pakistani professor). Do we want them to come to Indian and start killing non-muslims here? I am sure some kind good hearted muslim country will take all the persecuted shias, hazaras, ahamadis etc. BTW, I am curious to know if the shias supported the law to ban ahamadis and prosecute them if they called themselves "muslims"? :) Wonder how it feels now
Stoooped Guy Feb 19, 2013 12:19am
Logic Guy indeed. Can't tell right from wrong, left from right, apples from oranges. Lolz.
LOL Feb 19, 2013 12:17am
Maybe they are behind it. Otherwise they can order the army in.
chump Feb 19, 2013 12:13am
So Waqarbhai, you want India to be property of Hindus only? You better say ''Pakistan belongs to Pakistanis''.
Saquib A. Feb 19, 2013 12:07am
Kashmir is bleeding. Anyone cares?
Jeff G. Feb 18, 2013 11:42pm
According to the Noble Qur'an it is an unforgiveable sin to kill human beings whatsoever except in self-defense. Islam even limits animal sacrifice to the minimum of keeping alive, not overeat and make ones stomach the graveyard of animal meat. A Muslim is to stop eating when hunger is 1/3 solid full, 1/3 water,and 1/3 left empty. To eat to satiation is prohibited. This is how Islam views ALL life. And this is how a MUslim is to behave. Or else you fail as a Muslim.
T Celtic Feb 18, 2013 11:59pm
As you are. Irresponsible provocation at this time.
Anwar Iqbal Feb 17, 2013 05:42pm
Please join a rally on Sunday Feb. 17, 2013, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, in front of the White House, to protest the Shia genocide in Pakistan. The rally will start at 3 pm and end at 6 pm.
ramgopal verma Feb 17, 2013 05:43pm
yes,sunni's also should leave,with only the original inhabiants ( by faith ) should inherit the land
Paul Feb 17, 2013 05:44pm
If a nation can be formed for muslims, the present situation demands a separate nation for shias
mazharuddin Feb 18, 2013 03:48pm
The mother of trouble is the biased media. There need honesty such comments should not remove that having logic reason and evidence. All such comments removed. Seem news paper favors a group.
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 11:27pm
Its seems to be all about the market. Write a positive article about Pakistan and there are hardly a few comments (readers). Write something negative and it will be swamped by those across the border as bees to honey. Not a difficult choice on what sells for someone devoid of self respect .
Indian Feb 19, 2013 02:39am
MadeInPakistan Feb 18, 2013 11:47pm
False. Not so. Untrue.
Jeff Feb 18, 2013 11:24pm
The Qur'an is free from contradictions, unlike all other scriptures written by men.
Malick Feb 18, 2013 11:22pm
Dear Zain Raza, Pleaase take your son to a country where you see his best future but do not take funeral parade of 100/80 dead bodies on the road. Cashing causalities on the road is not within Islamic jurisdiction. You are putting Balouchistan in a bad stake and we will die for our country. Not happy leave Pakistan.
Malick Feb 18, 2013 11:09pm
Mansoor Ali please leave for India OR be just a good muslim, a good human, at least be a good shia, sorry. Look U want turn Pakistan like Iraq. Shias are acting like Ahmedi/
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 10:59pm
So massacre of two thousand muslims in Gujrat or thousands of Sikhs in Punjab by Hindu mobs was just a periodic riot and is acceptable but killing of a couple of hundred shias by terrorists in pakistan (not ordinary citizens as is usually the case in india) is a tragedy which nullifies two nation theory. Amazes me how irrational people can be when they need to jsutify their own hatred.
RSS Feb 18, 2013 10:49pm
Defective logic.
Iqbal a. Malik Feb 19, 2013 12:44am
I don't know what you have in your mind, but I would like to remind you that they are still not as bad as what the Hindus have done with the Muslims in Ahmedabad. At least our government is not part of it. We still and always will remember what Hindus have done with the baberi masjid.
PakWon Feb 18, 2013 10:47pm
Please stay out our homes. Your are not welcome.
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 10:46pm
That is the self serving propoganda in non muslim media and societies. Is killing of millions of innocent mulims in Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq, Chechnya, Bosnia, etc. also taught in non muslim world.
Raj Feb 18, 2013 10:29pm
Once all the Shias are migrated for good, the Sunnis will find another monotiry to kill. Once they too are gone or vanished, they will kill amongst themselves. The only solution is to humanitize the majority through pure Islam, not the mullah-Islam.
ComparativeReligionStudent Feb 18, 2013 10:37pm
The word "Infidel" is not in the Quran. Muslims never use it. It was invented by the invading Crusaders over a thosand years ago. Current Westren propaganda machine has resurrected it. Muslims are ill adviced to perputate this meme. The Quran accepts Christians and Jews as the "People of the Book" with respect. It calls the Pagan "Unbeliver" or "Kafir"---one who hides the truth. It is always better to know the source and meaning of words...avoids much misunderstandings.
chump Feb 19, 2013 12:36am
Totally agree, Srilanka did. Musharraf tried.
seemi Feb 19, 2013 06:04am
As a minority I prefer to live in an Non-Islamic state rather than this Islamic Republic Pakistan
SuperPak Feb 18, 2013 10:10pm
The Law of the Jungle is Nature's brutal law. Civilization thrived by curbing it with humane concepts as Allah recommends.
LOL Feb 18, 2013 10:06pm
All Muslims should follow Muhammad who died a Sovereign: Loved, cherished, peacefuly with family, friends, followers lovingly around him, with his head resting in his wife's hands, on her lap. He was Monarch of all he surveyed. In life and in death. Ali made enemies. Ali was murdered in cold blood. Please carry balm, bandages, condolences, and tears at this time...not ignite further acrimony, animosity, and schism. Your are not being helpful with your emotional loaded uninformed rants. You have no idea what you say, imply, and condone, and suggest.
Omer Mallhi (@omermallhi) Feb 18, 2013 09:39pm
Irony is the fact that Pakistan struggle was based on the idea of salvaging minority rights.......I feel mad and helpless at the same time.
Saacha Feb 18, 2013 09:39pm
Indian media hides its atrocities. Pak media highlights even every small failing so that it can be fixed.
Easus Feb 18, 2013 09:41pm
All these troubles started after 9-11. Any connection?
LOL Feb 18, 2013 09:35pm
Indian hoping. But Pakistan is here to stay.
sumit Feb 18, 2013 09:05pm
Sorry - it is not true that majority of Muslims in India are Shia. This is true only in and around Lucknow.
dkg Feb 17, 2013 04:14pm
"even the Israeli General admit they can not defeat." but still nobody could defeat Israel till date. :P living in the state of superiority as well as inferiority complex simultaneously- you are awesome Mr. abbastoronto !! even an ostrich burying his head in sand would be better than you !!!
Munzir Naqvi Feb 18, 2013 09:20pm
I belong to the Shia and I strongly disagree. Yes the times are very tragic in Pakistan, but it is up to us Shias to politicize for the future of Pakistan. Yes, your stats and figures are troubling. Yes, the security situation for Shias nor for anyone else, including the majority sect is troubling. Having said that, there are over 40 Million Shias in Pakistan. For 40 million to simply leave, is not the solution. Shias can not run away from problems, we must confront and counter them. Same goes for all of Pakistan. The only credible politician that has spoken up for the Shias has been Imran Khan, a Sunni. I have been following Imran Khan for a long time and out of all the national politicians, he has been the most vocal. Pakistan needs new leadership to deal with the troubling situation and only a credible leadership that has a following among the masses can deal with the situation on hand. It is not time for Shias to leave Pakistan, it is time for us to politicize, vote, and confront the challenges that not only face us, but face all of Pakistan.
Muhammad, NY Feb 19, 2013 03:25am
I mean from India.
Pakistani Feb 18, 2013 09:08pm
This is not easy. The level of illitracy and poverty among Shias of Pakistan will be restricting them from leaving the country. The Gulf is full with their enemies and West has strict rules for immigration. Iran is not a likely shore because of its egoistic clash with the rest of the world. So I don't think running away is possible for all. I think they should grow their incisors and the wolves will turn back. Or at least will be bitten back.
AHA Feb 19, 2013 12:01am
Religion. Unfortunately, religion has no 'safety valves'.
Sia Feb 18, 2013 02:43pm
No! Thanks! Be safe in pakista n!
ToutastisCeltic Feb 18, 2013 09:28pm
He is in error. You organize and fight corruption and criminals with help from the government and justice system. You don't give up your home and run from crime. All Sunnies should stand with the Shiaas and fight the criminals by all legal means.
KKRoberts Feb 18, 2013 07:59am
Power Vacuum!!!.
Faridoon Feb 19, 2013 05:12am
Well written Capri. Please understand that the Sunni-Shia conflict in our country is not a natural conflict but one that has been instigated by third parties. The strife in Pakistan has been artificially generated to keep the masses occupied in their struggles. Who, you ask, is the instigator and why? Well that's the million dollar question. Firstly, it is our politicians who do nothing to stop this nonsense, so that they can quietly loot the country while they are in power and while the entire nation is more worried about getting blown to bits by the next suicide attack and angry at sunni's or shia's as teh case may be. Beyond the local politicians are the foreign agencies at work who want to keep control over not only the strategic location of Pakistan but also it's abundant natural resources. It is they who have installed governments whose only agenda is to pillage the country and stay quiet. The media is a big player in keeping this ship unstable by overstating the problems to sell more news and also to keep their masters happy.
M Akram Feb 18, 2013 07:24pm
Sir, you are right, Pakistan now belongs to choars, thieves of national wealth...and people who blow up childrens schools and who shoot at little innocent girls. For What!
Rizvi Feb 18, 2013 08:41pm
This is sad, where ever innocent people are killed, it becomes a challenge for the whole humanity. Pakistan is becoming like Iran in 1500 century when not a single sunni was allowed to live they had to accept shiaism or accept death. We should understand that we are all creation of same God and Adam's children.
Devendra Feb 18, 2013 08:43am
Javed Bhai I am really proud of you. You have spoken the truth
Truly Feb 18, 2013 08:39pm
'Fought for Pakistan's inception'!? Pakistan was granted within 7 years of declaring the need for it in 1940 by Muslim League. No country has ever been created in such a short span & with so little struggle for making the leaving party(British) agree.
Pramod Feb 18, 2013 11:42am
People like you and No hope are actually are the only hope for Muslims. People will have to forget that they are muslim and start behaving like a human being. People will have to support other people based on their qualities irrespective of their sect or religion and not because they are Muslims.
Mati ullah Feb 18, 2013 02:59pm
I am agree with most part of the article but the conclusion of the article about seeking asylum in other parts of pakistan and abroad is not true because that is what killers of hazaras want. hazaras are only barrier between Talibans who can any time wish to infiltrate into Iran at any like they did against soviet union. That's the reason hazaras are being subjected to genocide. its worth mentioning here that our government, security establishment and so called free judiciary is silent, its a reek of their involvement in the current scenario as they had been doing such acts in history for their mom dad.
S.A.Hyder.Ph.D. Feb 18, 2013 02:51pm
Mr. Anonymous: This means you have not seen any thing. Whose grave yards are these? Ali Bagh, Bagh-e-Haideri, Wadi-us-Salam, Khurasan Bagh, Jannat-ul-Baqi, to name only a few in Karachi. Note that Ali Bagh was there since early forties. It is true there several common grave yards every where in Pakistan, but the author's point was not that there are not enough grave sites but rather, that the killing is very rampant. Although, one should understand that even one killing of an innocent person is one too many! According to your point of view, if there are enough grave sites then people should go on killing people and conversely, if there are not enough, then God should stop the natural deaths? Also, what does the author's religious association got to do with the contents of the article? The author describes the current state of affairs in PAKISTAN. Do you disagree with his assessment?
Prakash Feb 18, 2013 01:18pm
As I heard Pakistan is more strategically located, naturally rich country. Why don't people let live such a beautiful life peacefully.
M Akram Feb 18, 2013 05:35pm
Why should anyone leave Pakistan? People who committed this in-human crime against men, women, children, young and old Pakistani Muslims, we know who they are, Government should find them LeJ and their supporters, as guilty by association, and every single one of them should be put to sword. My grandparents gave their lives for a Pakistan for everyone to live in and not for these green eyed monsters from heaven who think they "owns" Islam or at least their version of it.
Himesh Feb 18, 2013 05:35pm
Well said
Tarun Arora Feb 18, 2013 12:58pm
Very true.Now not possible to welcome/invite any body,who considers himself to be a muslim.
kumar Feb 18, 2013 01:06pm
Shawn, your government and officials are busy arranging security for Sharukh Khan. Do they care for your own people?
(Dr.) B.N. Anand Feb 18, 2013 01:05pm
Sir,Quid-e-Azam must be restless even in his grave to see the Pakistan of his dream has after all not been a safe place for people of even his own belief, what to speak they wouls have been otherwise vulnerable to Hindus if he had not insisted on partition. His dreams remain shattered because of the plight of Shias in his country of dream. All the more when theAuthor suggests Pakistan govt. should plead with Shia majority countries to let Pakistani Shias remain in exile in those countries. That is an extreme thinking but forced to do so because of circumstances. The same is true in Iraq where Shias and Sunnis are dying in thousands. Was n't it a mistake to make Pakistan an Islamic country? In a secular Pakistan what to speak of Shias , Sunnis and Ahmediyas, all the people of every faith would have lived peacefully. It surely calls for introspection.
Tarun Arora Feb 18, 2013 12:55pm
Have you forgot Mr.Jinnah(who was also Shia).Now inviting shias is no solution,dear.Many more leaders like Jinnah will emerge in due course of time,with further partitions of India. So beware before you think or talk.
Vaibhav Mansoor Ali Feb 18, 2013 11:44am
In india, majority of the muslims are shias and as a shia, I feel more safe in India than in Pakistan today.
abbas Feb 18, 2013 08:36pm
We condemn killers but do not recognise hands behind it.Today it has become evdient more than ever that Nawaz Sharif, Fazul Rehman, Some major Generals of Army are supporting this murderous support of Lashakre Jhangvi, Sipae Sahaba and Taliban within Pakistan along with Saudi money, and promoting US Policy of weakening Paksitan through division, hatred. America is invloved in Pakistan by using Ziaul Haq and its leftover friends and destroying day by day...
Sia Feb 18, 2013 02:41pm
this is what called self destruction...
Abdul Hasan Feb 18, 2013 08:35pm
and sir, where do you expect these 50 odd million shias to go? Maybe 50,000 will get asylum abroad, What about 49.95 million of them in Pakistan?
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 02:44pm
By "links between" I meant "urls on" the subject. Religions are intrinsically tied to economy. Apologies.
PakistanWatcher Feb 18, 2013 08:01pm
In the country that was created as a safe haven for Muslims of the subcontinent, the pious Momeen die glorious and exciting deaths of the suicide bomber whose body parts gets scattered all over the marketplace, or the exciting death of the mujahid fried by the drone in FATA, or the momeen made shaheed in inter-sectarian killings. Contrast this with Muslims of India who die boring deaths from natural causes like disease and old age. Pakistan is a happening place while India is very boring for the Muslims.
ABL Feb 18, 2013 08:04am
Very well expressed Mr. Abbas.BTW, has anyone heard about pluralism and diversity?
Arsalan Kashfi Feb 18, 2013 09:15am
Shia killings in Quetta or in any other city/area are simply condemnable but to declare that Sunni extremists, aligned with Al-Qaeda and Taliban, are doing this makes no sense at all. We need to look in to the matter with unbiased and rationale approach. I am still astonished about today
Syed Zafar Feb 18, 2013 03:57pm
Good research, I wish the sources were also revealed. Where would Shias or other minorities go? Can the writer help setup a country where all Shias can migrate to? Or does the writer suggests that like the Jews a new homeland for Shias be found? Why not scale down the activities Shias involve themselves in, We must try to assimilate with the main stream society. I believe that this is not an internal divide and the writer is naively playing a foreign tune. An Iraqi friend of mine was astonished to hear the Shia Sunni divide in Iraq when it was first reported after American invasion of that country and since then whole country has been divided in sectarian regions. Who knows where these religious parties are getting their ammunition from, who is paying their wages.
sam_a Feb 18, 2013 07:58am
and i just heard that a very highly respected shia doctor and his son in lahore were shot dead in their car on the way to school this morning. the older son, my student was fortunately not with them, nor the young wife and baby. i know them well, as well as their sister, a colleague and her family. if they want to leave, i will help them pack.
Aneel Feb 18, 2013 07:48pm
Government should be taken action why they were not give any action because every time killed Innocent people die day by day .i think if goverment not any solution any people so please get down chair and take side.
Capri Feb 18, 2013 08:49am
We in India simply cannot understand this craziness in Pakistan of Sunnis and Shias clobbering each other to death and so on. Maybe its the freedom to think and question among us Hindus that make us what we are, a diverse range of people with divergent thinking even within the Hindu fold . We Hindus don't have one major phisophy but dozens of them, even sub philosophies and different ways of thinking and traditions and customs , yet we peacefully coexist and DO NOT KILL the other groups whose thinking is different to their own. The only flare ups may be caste related, in rural areas between members of lower castes etc, NOT on religious philosophies. That's why we believe we are the most tolerant nation/religion on earth, and if you look closely at the history of the Indian subcontinent, you will observe that at various points in history India has sagely welcomed every religion in the world with open arms ( the Jews, the Parsis for example, found a home here on petsecution by muslims centuries ago) and these people have all happily Integrated over the centuries with NO threat from majority Hindus. We believe that there are many paths to god, so when there are more faiths and religions wanting a safe haven among us, we happily accommodate them. Thsts how easy it is for a Hindu to accept pther faiths! So there you have a multi religious state of India today, quite a model for the rest of the world. Incidentally, I have not heard of Sunnis and Shias conflicts here in India , I have many friends of both sects here in Bangalore, not once have I heard them share a conflicting thought and now more than ever, are openly expressing the opinion that they are so thankful to their grandparents for not having chosen to cross over during partition!
M.Kamran Feb 18, 2013 08:29am
Mr.Murtaza Haider;let me quote some words of the Quaid spoken on 11th Aug 1947 ;"We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State." Our founder has clearly outlined about how to live in a country where it has many different religions ,societies etc.I believe that right now we need reformers and good leaders to reform our society and lead our country.Unfortunately our country has been plagued by extremists and not reformers and by politicians and not leaders.The only thing to be done is as a nation we should realize this question ; Are we ourselves doing something about our country or have become an expectant nation waiting for man-o-salwa to be provided for us? If we are a failed state destined to doom then the best thing is to follow your advice and run away and leave the other countrymen to perish OR struggle and fight back to claim our human rights. The choice belongs to the nation????????
AHA Feb 18, 2013 03:40pm
We left Quaid's behind us many decades ago. Now we have an Islamic militant Pakistan. I do not think we will ever be able to turn the clock back.
saulat Feb 18, 2013 08:09am
Two Nation theory will always be valid , as we see what is the state of affairs of Indian Muslims , we are still much much better than them .. thanks to allah almighty please do not be concerned of our internal issue we will sort them out .
human Feb 18, 2013 07:59am
the solution is for your country and for whole country is very very and very simple "make this world muslim free" means no muslims need in this world thats it. because they cant live peaceful any where.
odc Feb 18, 2013 08:02am
seperate state / country for Hazara might be practical solution. Very difficult to implement as the voices of Shias are weak in pakistan.
K G Surendran Feb 18, 2013 07:47am
Mahatma Gandhi and other Congress leaders were opposed to the two nation theory and it seems from events in Pakistan their assessment over 80 years back was absolutely correct.
Mahmood Feb 18, 2013 07:48am
Two nation theory was relevant at the time of Pakistan's inception. It was a time when muslims fought against impossible circumstances to forge a muslim nation. However, we forgot those lessons within a decade of independence and are struggling since then. We have reaped militancy for the last 10 years by opening our borders to the War on Terror. The only drawback is that it has now become a 'War on civilians.' The Shia genocide is deplorable but is there a coincidence that Southern Pakistan i.e. Karachi, Quetta, Interior Sindh and Balochistan have become destabilized at the same point in time. History has little sufferance for coincidence and more so for those who ignore the truth.
Wajeeh Feb 18, 2013 07:44am
we are our own enemies first.
Shazia Rubab Hussain Feb 18, 2013 07:43am
Wow...what an advice....and coming from a shia, it seems like you are sprinkling salt on our wounds. Instead of advising those in power to put an end to this genocide and to control the extremists who don't want peace in Pakistan, you are advising us to run and hide. It is easy for you to say, since you have already relocated yourself to a much safer place, Mr. Haider. Please enjoy your peaceful, luxurious life and let the Shias live where they belong.....because if they leave, sunnis (who have always lived in peace with shias) will be the next target and before you know it, Paksitan will be ruled by Taliban.
Faraz Paracha Feb 18, 2013 07:42am
I agree, they should leave Pakistan for good and migrate to Iran, may be.
INDIAN Feb 18, 2013 07:41am
but PAK is not secular, its a islamic republic.
Tamilselvan Feb 18, 2013 09:39am
Don't forget north and south Sudan and see how well they would fare in the future and see which one will survive
Vj Feb 18, 2013 07:29am
In every sentence if you take the name of the Lord .. That goes hand in hand with Violence... (Don't say no, because there is some connection somehere which is like an invisible thread). Religion in moderation. Instead what is being caused by all the overdose of religion in your life is the pure color of blood and violence. Vitamins and protiens are needed by the mind to some extent. Too much of vitamins can also be toxic. Be practical. Don't bring religion and name of allah in every aspect of your life. Religion in excess can destroy a society. Instead of doing Namaz 5 times, if you skip it for 2 days - you will not go to hell. In fact your nation's blood may stop flowing. You just have to dilute it a bit. That purity is proving to be pure poison . Some Hindus do it too - but those religious bigots are not holding the reins to the power. Islam is a beautiful religion , when practiced like any other religion - i.e. in moderation, which is the Pakistani style And surely Pakistanis have showed they are talented in every respect - be it sports, business etc. The Dawn newspaper is much more elegant (its website) than *any* Indian website. In Pakistan, the keys to the kingdom are already in the hands of the Mullahs and their talibs - the religious destroyers of your society. The silent majority which is intelligent, moderate and sensible is powerless. But there is one more choice to be taken. You moderates can take yet another fateful decision and say that "Kashmir and India is the root of all our troubles". I believe it could be just another way of feeding the same blood-thirsty monsters.. and the story continues. Frankly , Indians are idiots, mostly , when it comes to bargaining. Playing smart games, the chess moves, how to manipulate the international press - Pakistanis are better at that, any day. Why do I say that - because Indians have so far made a poor argument on Kashmir. There is no reason for India to be defensive on that matter. I may be wrong on that last count. But then why did my 80-year old grandma chant a 400 year old Hindu mantra that had references to Kashmir ?
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 05:14am
India has peace. Pakistan has freedom - yes, even freedom to kill, and to defend yourself. One day of freedom is better than a life without it. Live free or die.
Indian Feb 18, 2013 07:14am
All Shia come to India...
KKRoberts Feb 18, 2013 07:07am
"Had Mr. Haider taken Management 101, Economics 101, Systems Theory 101, Evolution 101, and especially Islamic History 101, his piece would have had a realistic and positive tone." Nothing in the world can predict events in an Islamic country.The above courses are useful and applicable only to non-islamic countries where reason prevails. "The Quran [8:65] promises that 20 Believer will overcome 200 infidels." This is possible with knowledge, conviction and good deeds and if infidels have commonsense..But 99% of muslims think that this is done through swords just as they tried to do it in the past.Quetta is the best example.At the moment 20 shia believers cannot do much against infidels.
Nasir Feb 18, 2013 07:04am
Dears, I agree to both of you partially. Having tried to study the dynamics of partition objectively (to the extent possible), i do not find the basis of two nation theory disagreeable. What went wrong was that interpretation of the theory was taken over by those who believe in kind of extremist version of what they call Islam. It all sound very mythical when we hear someone say that Islam is a religion of peace, but that is how it has been. I belong to Shia community. But i still feel that two nation theory is not at fault, it is the ones who have taken it over. and these elements are now everywhere, in all institutions of state and society.
Shyam Feb 18, 2013 06:57am
Pakistan is an important nation to decide future of muslims. There are 2 paths to go, kill all non muslims and then all shias, and then all girls who go for education, and then all men who dont have beard, and then....the list is endless OR keep religion in your heart, make it a thing for 'self' and not outsiders. Mix with other religions, have them as neighbourse, be the source of love rather than aggression. The first one will create a 'living hell' on earth, the second one will create a heaven. Choice is yours. Next time someone invites you for violence in the name of Israel, Kashmir, or whatever, think twice...rather spend energy on your education, kids education.
Krish Chennai Feb 18, 2013 06:48am
Yes, it would also be true to say, it is a scary situation for India, unless Pakistanis learn to be at peace with themselves, too, which is what comes first.
AHA Feb 18, 2013 03:28pm
Context: Something that happened over 1,400 years ago. Muslims need to decide whether Quran is an operating manual for all times to come - in which there is no need to contextualize, or it is a sources of guidance - and therefore requires a continuous reinterpretation to make the Text relevant to the context, but that will never happen as the Muslims do not have the willingness or the ability for such a change.
kashinath Feb 18, 2013 06:37am
I quite agree with Dr. Haider's views.Why Muslims should kill Muslims , or for that matter any minority ? I am a Hindu from India and wish everybody in Pakistan peace and prosperity... Kashinath
Kazim Feb 18, 2013 06:36am
Read most the comments and went through this Article in quite much details. Couple of years back I also was like most of the readers and was against fleeing Pakistan for my safety but now things have turned to some extreme. Running is not the solution but sometimes it is the only option. If the Shia community does not seriously think about migrating to somewhere safer, this country may land up in a state of SERIOUS civil war, which eventually is the plan of the security agencies or who ever is the cause of these attacks. It is pretty obvious though that Shias and Sunnis are not fighting amongst each other, it is a one sided attack by a THIRD force to push them so much against the wall that they react in a manner in which will be unstoppable. There are only 2 ways out of this practically speaking. Either Live and Fight this 3rd Terror and go totally rebel against the Govt for not providing any sort of security and make this the next Syria OR leave quietly and live to fight another day ...
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 03:25pm
LOL Where I live these days in America the murder rate is 5 times that in Karachi - 500 per million to 100 per million. Last summer we were held at gun-point at a gas station while driving a colleague to airport. Has not happened to me in Pakistan yet. Coming to Karachi would be a picnic. It happens often, sometimes 6 times a year. Yes, Toronto is peaceful, but boring. Life is free in America, just like in Pakistan.
Waqas Feb 18, 2013 03:24pm
Are you sure what have you said about? I think you're completely oblivious about the centuries which had been ruled by Muslim, peacefully. What we are made to see is just latent plans and conspiracy, yonder the reach of our apprehensions. Remember, no Muslim can harm other Muslims.
krishna prasad Feb 18, 2013 07:20pm
Pakistan created such a trouble for this family, Shias in Pakistan (if they can afford) would leave for Canada for better quality of life. Even in India, highly educated people leave the country in search of better avenues in life though they don't get to hate India which is their motherland...In Pakistan, these Shias hate having settled within Pakistan at/after partition... I hope you realize the issue here.
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 03:21pm
The Imam promoted sectarian harmony as none other.
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 03:19pm
Salam from Dearborn MI Mr. Haider a shia? A shia of whom? The Shia of Ali never run away. They seek the heart of the battle. Many Shia here are seriously thinking of going back. Wassalam
realist Feb 18, 2013 07:16pm
Sorry, Shias are not welcome in India.
MadeIndIndia Feb 18, 2013 06:14am
Indian HIndu, Did you jump the gun and spoke too early?? You might have to bite your tongue.
ali Feb 18, 2013 06:15am
I would like to ask ,Who is killing the shias in Iraq, And the sunnis in Syria , Its the new world order Mr Murtaza, Its nothing between us PAKISTANIS.
Salman Feb 18, 2013 07:10pm
Faridoon Let
Jitesh Feb 18, 2013 06:13am
Try broadening your approach to the problem. ask why should any one whether it is Shias or any other religion leave Pakistan after all they are humans. because if you start dividing it will only end with the last men in Pakistan.
Hussain Feb 18, 2013 06:10am
Soon after the revolution of Iran, Ayotullah Khomeni vowed to export his revolution to the other Muslim countries. His announcement was followed by Iranian backed intervension in the Muslim countries. That intervension naturally led to a sectarian war in Pakistan.
MadeIndIndia Feb 18, 2013 06:04am
Well you have declared them heretics and "wazib-ul-katl" where does the hadith come in picture. You see its all so convenient.
Jeet Feb 18, 2013 06:01am
Pak is repeating the same mistakes it did in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan).The same consequences will follow and India will get the blame.
Yousuf Ahmad Feb 19, 2013 06:16am
Good for you. May Allah be with you.
Anonymous Feb 18, 2013 05:59am
I seriously question the religious association and intent of the author. As far as I have seen it in Pakistan, Shias do not have separate graveyards.
KKRoberts Feb 18, 2013 05:57am
Both articles points to the same truth.Message ( Don't be a victim always ) Which planet are you from ? No weather forecast there ??
Ali Kamal Feb 19, 2013 06:13am
Thank you Mr. Jinnah.
Yousuf Ahmad Feb 19, 2013 06:14am
It is people like you who add fuel to fire. What you forget to mention is that "absolute" majority of Sunni's have deplored this inhuman attack (I would have loved to use the word Pakistani - but I think you won't understand). Our nation is under threat with over 40,000 peolpe losing their valuable lives in the last few years ( sorry, but majority of them being Sunni). People like you ofcourse should leave (as you have already left..), but I am sure that "WE" Pakistanis will come over this ghastly phase of our lives and live in peace and harmony. We need strong leadership that who can implement the rule of law and punish these demons. I could add a bit more, but at the moment it will only create controversy
Mo Feb 18, 2013 05:52am
Very well written ! I'll copy paste this on my facebook.
vijay Feb 18, 2013 05:50am
BTW, do you support ethnic cleansing as it has happened in kashmir.
Avtar Feb 18, 2013 02:22pm
Mr Haider, Shias moving from Peshawar and Quetta to Karachi and Lahore is only a temporary solution. I remember Dr Maulana Azad's famous words during partition days - 'they cannot kill 80M Muslims.' So Shias and other minorities must unite and take a stand. In Malaysia, a while back, the Chinese and Hindu minorities retaliated against destruction of their temples and statues by Muslim youth charged-up by Mullahs. The destruction stopped.
raj Feb 18, 2013 05:11pm
In this world everyone stands for themselves, except for pakistanis who stand for the muslims of the world and neglect their own. Remember charity starts at home.
ANON Feb 18, 2013 05:14pm
Antriksh Feb 18, 2013 02:12pm
GO to Iran or you are are welcome to India.
Himanshu Pandey Feb 18, 2013 07:00pm
as an atheist i will fight for ones right to believe in any delusion they wish to, as long as they keep it to themselves...but people need to understand that religion is the root of intolerance...the world would be a better place without religion...but not all people are capable of rationality, and require some supernatural entity to compensate for their lack of logic. so i will respect ones choice to believe in religion, but i don't respect religion.
Ali Feb 18, 2013 07:26pm
Shias should unite with sunnis on the basis of common believe between Shia and Sunni. One Allah, and the last Prophet and messenger Muhammad ( peace be upon him). Let us all agree the religions of Prohpet Muhammad during his 23 years life is our common religion, Islam. Let us not overdo the other differences. Differences exist among sunnis also, but sunni unite better with other kind of sunnis on the basis of jthe common belief, Allah and rasool in his 23 years, the religion of the the prophet is our common belief. Let us not become forces of divisiveness. Let us not encourage forces of divisivenss. Let Muslims unite to please Allah, and get his mercy, after we die as Muslims.
skeptic Feb 18, 2013 06:59pm
well said
Mehnaz Feb 18, 2013 05:36am
Very good reply and very insightful in its predictions. I agree. we need to have a stronger Shia community which leads the way to liberal and secularized society with a moderate Islamic political hue.
HUMAN Feb 18, 2013 05:35am
Well understanding Narrated by a human, What can I say ? don't know who's is to blamed ? Why did it happen ? Why don't we all live in HARMONY ? Make a world a better place to live , wherein god has created so many beautiful things for us to See, Breath, Eat, Enjoy, In Pak why r u all hell bent on destroying the beautiful creation of God ? For whom ? who is going to live to see ?
LOL Feb 18, 2013 05:33am
There is nothing in his statement that says that he hates anyone. Where are you coming from, accusing him of what he has not said...only a possible solution was offered by him, nothing more. Perhaps you need to look at your own motives coming here with false accusations.
Dudenator Feb 18, 2013 02:05pm
India has always opened her arms for the prosecuted people. There is no reason why India should change now. We have accepted Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs in our fold. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't extend the same courtesy towards other prosecuted communities. Shias, where ever they go are generally hard working and honest people. Their inclusion in India will only contribute to our economy and country.
LOL Feb 18, 2013 05:27am
He should also write about the brutal truth in Kashmir.
PPP Okay Feb 18, 2013 05:26am
When majority is killed as happens more and more often in Pakistan, no one seems to notice or cpmplain.
Ms Manjee Feb 18, 2013 02:00pm
You know, your comment sound like you want them to leave, and are sad that they are not. Have a heart man!!
Amit Feb 17, 2013 08:04pm
so mr. abbastoronto, what are you really trying to say????
Fahad Feb 18, 2013 05:23am
though the offer appears very generous, please dont interfere in our internal matters. We will stand up against such barbarity. We will defeat this fanatics. but it ihas to be WE and not YOU
Qamber Ali Feb 18, 2013 05:21am
easy said while sitting in toranto
ObjectiveAnalyst Feb 18, 2013 05:20am
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 06:15pm
If all Pakistanis saw themselves as citizens of the nation there could be a solution. Most people are putting their own interests first, not just the leadership. People are imagining law and order where it does not exist.
Vijay K Feb 17, 2013 02:50pm
This is a heart wrenching article. Relocating to Shia dominated areas will isolate the Shias further and seeking asylum elsewhere will disrupt hundreds of thousands of lives as happened during partition. Eventually, it has to be a secular, democratic form of government which will save Pakistan, though that challenges the two nation theory.
skeptic Feb 18, 2013 01:54pm
democracy is the best revenge. i guess we are the victims
MMS (USA) Feb 18, 2013 01:22pm
What nonsence.
Anwar Feb 18, 2013 02:45am
Where is the Government and what are they doing?
Tariq Feb 18, 2013 02:49am
I agree with you 100%
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 05:15am
I think the good professor is simply trying to provoke debate.
skeptic Feb 18, 2013 01:52pm
shame on us for killing our own brothers. no one is safe in Pakistan yet everyone is in a slumber hoping against hope that the fire will not burn them. our habit of sweeping the dust under the carpet will simply not work out this time. today a 12 year old student of seventh grade from Aitchison college Lahore was brutally killed along with his father, his crime was to belong to a Shia family. first learn to be a human before calling yourselves Muslims. disgusted to the bone
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 05:51pm
That was cold.
pakistani Feb 18, 2013 06:43pm
a transparent government which is capable and sincere to national interests not to western interests seeking. can bring change, Baluchistan CM or governor rule cannot change the situation we are in much much more in deeper crisis now which previous gov and this one both are responsible for allowing foreign funded agents in our country without any check and balance on them. We sold our country
Niran Feb 17, 2013 04:17pm
Two nation theory was never relevant raja, it was just a mask for these power hungry wolf's to drink the blood of poor muslim brothers in the subcontinent. The tragedy is these wolf's are not bothered about the killings & human rights violation's in their backyard, but very much concerned about what's happening in the so-called muslim world.. what a joke.. wake up pakistan before your blood is fully drained by these wolf's in the mask of politicians, terrorist, hardline religious leaders, army..
Rajeev Nidumolu Feb 17, 2013 05:48pm
Societies which are undergoing economic crisis indulge in blame game and scapegoat against neighbors and minorities . Pew research report August 9th, 2012 states that survey indicates that only 53% of Pakistanis accept Shias as Muslims.
Syed Feb 18, 2013 09:35am
make your own country inside pakistan you shia are not coward...
Syed Feb 18, 2013 09:34am
Its better to give a new land inside Pakistan as country to live shias
PrrP Feb 18, 2013 05:03am
Don't blame him. Its his Indian education. In their prejudice and hate they can't tell the difference between apples and oranges.
Virkaul Feb 18, 2013 05:07am
All is well?
Aria Feb 17, 2013 11:18pm
You are trying to pretend as of Sunnis are just saints...But the statistics of death within last 1 month is proving otherwise....
Himanshu Pandey Feb 18, 2013 06:38pm
Religion is not something you choose its inherited.I have no ill-will towards any religion nor any religion has my greatest respect.Its a matter of personal choice please stop preaching that to others.Sooner or later all the religions will perish because it will not be required anymore.Get educated,stop killing in name of religion and live in peace.
Virkaul Feb 18, 2013 05:01am
There already is one.
FactCheck Feb 18, 2013 05:00am
Perhaps you need to read his artile again...without prejudice and closed mind.
sandeep Feb 18, 2013 02:32pm
Please understand that religious brother hood words when your brother is in a remote place.. First all should love their country men irrespective of religion!
Mustafa Feb 18, 2013 04:58am
Allah forbids sectarianism in Islam in the following verses: "As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou has no part in them in the least...." (6:159). In another verse of the Holy Quran Allah says: And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. (3.103). What we see today Muslims are divided into groups of Sunni, Shia, Ahle-Hadith, Ahle-Fiqah, Ahle-Quran, Hanfi, Shafi, Malki, Hanbli, Deobandi, Barailwi, Ahmadi and many more. We are seeing the results of sectarianism that started just after the death of the Holy Prophet. Those who started the groups will be judged by Allah on the day of judgment. However division of Muslims in groups does not give right to one group to wage war against another group just because they are in separate group.
rationality Feb 18, 2013 02:31pm
@Jawed Nawvi... the profound literary columnist. Your views please
Riaz (USA) Feb 18, 2013 04:50am
are you trying to justify the killing of shias. i think you missed completly the point of this article. it is about killing of innocent people no matter if they are uneducated, not united, voting, etc......
Ali Feb 18, 2013 04:51am
Only a separate country for all Shias of Pakistan if they want their survival, otherwise genocide and bloodshed will destroy them. Ali Hyder
Farhaz Feb 18, 2013 04:52am
Dear Waseem, I understand your sentiments...but can you tell me how you will achieve victory over these hate mongers/terrorists? And when in the future do you expect this to happen?...after may be a hundred years when they will be mature enough to understand that what they are following is not Islam?...when only a handful of minority people will be left in Pakistan? Mr Murtaza has mentioned that he knows he is being pessimistic....and there are reasons for that. If shias don't leave the country...there can be only two possibilities in near future....1) All shias will be wiped out of the land or 2)shias will end up picking up arms...which may not happen. Third possibility which you are dreaming about(victory over these forces) has no existence in near future....and if at all it has an existence in distance future...there will be no shias left to rejoice by that time! By the way...sit quietly and think over these two facts related to your own statements. 1) "The country belongs to both of us...sunnis and shias" much as it belongs to other minorities like hindus and christens...who are being wiped away quietly. No one cares. 2) "We, Sunnis and Shias, have been living here in peaceful manner for centuries"....We were living together peacefully for centuries before partition as well...!!
supro Feb 18, 2013 04:48am
that was a certainly an awesome reply !
let Feb 18, 2013 04:41am
We should NOT forget the concept of "Human Migration". Its a simple concept, whenever people feel insecure as a nation, the nation migrates towards a peaceful place. Same happend in 1947 and it will happen very soon in Pakistan. I agree with Haider. Its the time to Leave, to save the generation. Nothing left, except frustration and fear!!
Khurram Feb 19, 2013 05:51am
Did you ever read the two nation theory ???
Hasan Feb 18, 2013 04:37am
Hold the gun!
Mahavir Feb 18, 2013 04:39am
My grandfather used to say the same things during 1947, when MoahmedAli Jinnah raised two nation theory. Good luck.
Saad Feb 19, 2013 05:49am
Most biased writer I have ever seen. GO to Iran and see that they donot allow masjid for sunnis to be built. Sunnis cannot pray Jummah there in Tehran. And here in Pakistan you guys stop and block all main roads of our cities for marches and juloos. And every year I see number of march/juloos is increase. Yet the people of Pakistan tolerate you despite you create disturbance in traffic and business. Also many students are unable to go to schools. Learn how to take out a civilised juloos. and stop criticizing Pakistan. Its the only Sunni Country that has allowed you people so much freedom. Go and see middle east and turkey and Malaysia etc. where you cannot take out your juloos or stop business on 9th and 10th..... Biased and non sense article once again.
saigandhi Feb 18, 2013 04:32am
I guess Shia's should ask for seperate provinces like Tamil's in Sri Lanka. It is difficult for 5 crore to leave a country
Rex L. Feb 18, 2013 04:34am
This is fundamental command in the Quran. And requirement if one is to follow in Muhammad's advice.
caz Feb 18, 2013 01:42pm
All ballocks. The problem is that a secular polity and diversity is the hallmark of success. Pakistan is founded on the evil ideology of communalism and has no basis to exist. That is the intrinsic existential crisis. A Hindu cannot be the Prime Minister in pakistan. There is no logic to that.
RSVP Feb 18, 2013 04:31am
There is NO contradiction. Anyone can exploit out of context meaning, as you have.
Sadiq Feb 18, 2013 01:42pm
Your grandparents did not make a mistake,either they were forced to move because of life threats of non muslims or they migrated for better future, which you got .How much Indian muslims, son of the soil, have settled in Canada? It is only because of Pakistan,you prospered so much, now you are saying the mistake of coming here.All the dictators which devastated and disintegrated Pakistan were either from Indian Army like Skindar Mirza, Ayub,Yahya or immigrants from India like Zia and Musharraf.The prosperity was all taken by Indian immigrants and no one asked son of the soil to have a share, on whose soil the Pakistan was made. For 50 years they ruled Pakistan through civil service and then formed a terrorist organization to capture Karachi, Hyderabad and related areas.This terrorist organization may be doing these activities for money as there is no sunni/shia problem in Pakistan.The citizenship of refuge seekers and their offsprings may be changed to the status of refugee to make the peace working.Sadiq
Syed Feb 18, 2013 04:29am
Well replied Waseem. I wish we all have this thinking. These barbaric monsters will definitely loose if we are united on one platform that is the unity of God. Inshallah we will win.
WiseOne Feb 18, 2013 04:18am
His emotions have short circuited his education and rational thinking. What can you expect from the uneducated mobs?
Hasan Feb 18, 2013 04:15am
Why the whole story just say that shias should defend themselves... BTW i fail to get a link between your evolution, eco. development, system theories and your conclusion that shia should buy arms..
Yasir Feb 18, 2013 04:09am
Yes, shia should now demand separate country
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 01:36pm
And you see a difference between the Shia being killed in Pakistan, and the Muslims in Kashmir?
VoteZardariAgain Feb 18, 2013 03:55am
This is a law and order situation not a matter of abandon ship. Time to solve the crime and track down the criminals. And educate the people about the truth. But people will vote the same crowd in again for more of the same.
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 01:33pm
The split in Islam after Mohammed AS between its two political camps - one pushing the rule of the Demos (5% moneyed males) and the other of the Learned, was not instigated by America or India. This division is eternal, at least Athenian, Democracy vs Republic. More relevant to present is which of the two camps makes sense today for Globalization and Free Trade?
aviratam Feb 18, 2013 01:29pm
Esaus Feb 18, 2013 03:48am
Pakistan is for Shiaas, as much as it is for Sunnis. The author is emational and has lost perspective. Time to live like Muslims together, rather than allow others to divide and destroy us separately.
Haider Feb 18, 2013 03:47am
Brother, Murtaza is correct. The Shia's have two choices. Either leave and live in exile or be splashed on a wall in Pakistan. The best choice is to leave this country for the corrupt rulers and the terrorists who are part of these killings so both the terrorists and the govt can steel and kill together.
shabih Feb 18, 2013 03:54pm
Why do we leave our land as if we are not save in our homeland where else we could be save. We should reply them in same why atleast to prove that we not learn to die but we can also able to take revenge from all those who are killing us in "bugze badar".
Tamilselvan Feb 18, 2013 09:19am
Oh! You forgot the Christians. A society that does not tolerate minorities is bound to destroy itself.
Concerned Netizen Feb 18, 2013 04:52pm
This is the reason why we treat minorities the way we do. Because we think Pakistan is ONLY for Muslims.
Altaf Hussain, Mumbai Feb 18, 2013 03:18am
Since when?
RSS Feb 18, 2013 03:12am
Spoken like a true Indian...making the best of the Muslim error and misfortune...
Laeeq,NY Feb 18, 2013 03:13am
Problem is that they don't believe that any one else is Muslim except them. Now in order to avoid the wrath of these murderers, they must give up their religion and become one of those terrorists. After done with Hazaras, who is next?
Feroz Feb 18, 2013 03:07am
Everyone is waiting for someone else to save Pakistan without lifting a finger themselves. There is an eternal saying "God helps those who help themselves." No Pakistani seems to believe in it, would rather wait for a Messiah to arrive.
LOL Feb 18, 2013 03:08am
Your Shiaa Supremacy and denigration of the 'Other' bleeds through your pseudo intellectualization of a complicated scenario when external forces, agent-provocateurs, heightened emotions are forcing the marginal issues. Shiaas and Sunnies have always lived peacefully together in Pakistan, even intermarried. Even today many such communities and mixed neighborhoods live peacefully together. Forensics have demonstrated unequivocally that the same weapons and ammo was used on both sides alike. It is not easy to stay level headed under suh circumstances, and I am not condemning you in anyway whatsoever. All Muslims need to live together in unity and peace...many a opportunist is inflaming the situation by critical hits, spreading despondency and internecine conflict. A very high level of wisdom and leadership is need of the moment. When emotions get the better of you it is always calming to seek advice from the Noble Qur
abbastoronto Feb 18, 2013 01:23pm
As the Shia cleric in Quetta said, Pakistan is a jungle, and the only way to live here is like a lion. If the Shia follow Ali, the lion of Allah, then why do they not arm themselves?
Ms Manjee Feb 18, 2013 02:36am
What if they were not muslims? Do you think it's okay to kill them then?
p r sharma Feb 18, 2013 02:18am
"why the Shias should leave this country? Only because some barbaric, sectarian hate mongers wanted them to leave" very positive attitudes but it will be possible only and only when the Sunni majority which is presently silent spectator ceases to be silent and oppose it diligently.. Lip service will neither work nor infuse hope for betterment. .
FJ Siddiqui Feb 18, 2013 01:48am
Dear SSA, AHA & Zimbo Indian, for any text, message depends whether you interpret the text within the context it appears or detach an excerpt and then give it any desired meaning. This is what has happened with the interpretation of Qur'anic Text and traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) in the last century. Talibanic and many other non-violent versions of interpretation are the product of same error. However, it is not that no one has tried to fix this problem. Kindly read the book 'Playing God: Misreading a Divine Practice' and then you guys are free to make your informed opinion. Regards
faisal Feb 18, 2013 01:46am
Nice! but you should change the subject for this blog.
umesh bhagwat Feb 18, 2013 01:45am
when will this sectarian violence stop?
Zain Raza Feb 18, 2013 11:54am
Murtaza, totaly agree with you. I see no future for my 3 year old son in Pakistan anymore!
Tojo Feb 19, 2013 05:45am
Absolute nonsense. Nobody should leave their homeland.
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 01:11am
Mr Murtaza seems to be sure who is responsible for the Bomb in his eyes it is a Pakistani Sunni ....If we cannot unite the people and standup to terrorism we should also not use the most extreme language and comments to incite further hatred and division. I would encourage Mr Murtaza to be the first to leave so that we will have one less extremist in the country. The need is for those who can unite us not divide us.
T Shah Feb 18, 2013 01:07am
Akil Akhtar Feb 18, 2013 01:08am
I hope not but that may be the fate of all of us because we are responsible for whatever is happening in pakistan. we are very good at blaming pakistan for all our problems when we are the problem and we have made Pakistan what it is today. The enemy is taking full advantage of our lack of any nationalism, corruption and our selfishness and greed. From top to bottom we are for sale to anyone for anything as long as we get some dollars.
Naseer Feb 18, 2013 12:33am
Please ask this question from Sipah e Sahaba Pakistan and Lashkar e Jhangvi. But don't be fooled by propaganda , study the facts yourself and then make a decision.
Yawar Feb 18, 2013 12:30am
I am just as infuriated as you and millions of other shias and moderate sunnis concerning the genocide of Hazaras and other Shias at the hands of the Taliban and Lashker-e-Jhangvi. I agree with you that we need military operations against all armed terrorist outfits and their supporters, whether they are in Waziristan, Karachi, or Islamabad. This is beyond the capabillity of the police, rangers or FC.
abbas Feb 18, 2013 12:12am
Oh really! r u sponsoring them for Canada?
realist Feb 18, 2013 12:09am
Well, no, they are not welcome. Shias/Ahmedis/other sects of Muslims joined the Sunnis in demanding a separate nation of pakistan. They are not welcome in India. Muslims be it Shias, Sunnis, Ahmedis, whatnot sects generally tend to have a superiority problem. Hindus of India have given refuges to everyone including Zorastranians, Jews, Tibetan Buddhists. However, it is only these muslims who indulged in atrocities against those who have given them refuge and partitioned the country. India cannot afford one more partition. Having said all these, I would also like to point out the Indian muslims are no less Indians than Hindus/Buddhitsts/ Jains/Sikhs/Parsees/Christians. I do wish Shias best wishes and hope they find a safe place to live in some other country. Please leave India and Indians alone.
Vicky Feb 18, 2013 12:05pm
@Zimbo_Indian: To answer your question in the simplest of terms - no, it is not okay for Muslims to kill non-Muslims.
Murali Feb 18, 2013 06:12pm
Ostriches are never in short supply.
Nulla Feb 18, 2013 08:32pm
WHY ? that shia burning flags of India in India
caz Feb 17, 2013 11:11pm
What about the Baluchis. Dont forget about them.
Ganesh (India) Feb 18, 2013 12:11pm
All religions are full of contradictions. Its about how society reads and interprete their scriptures ( Quran, Bibal, Gita etc..).
mohsin jaferi Feb 17, 2013 10:49pm
why should we leave we r the part of pakistan n also a founders bcze QUAIDE AZAM is also shia so pakistan is property of shia
Akil Akhtar Feb 17, 2013 10:41pm
More than welcome to leave and go to Iran a shia land since the shias of Pakistan are more sincere to Iran than Pakistan anyway. The shia religious leadership is mostly trained in Iran as well. At one time Iranian govt dreamt of a shia revolution in Pakistan through these leaders as well and their consulates were centres of hatred against Pakistan until the main character was killed.
vijay Feb 18, 2013 12:15pm
@Mr. abbastoronto of Pakistan, from toronto now living in MI/Detroit In Quran " 20 believers will overcome 200 infidels" and you have the audacity to quote it. Please for one minute think that if you are called an infidel in US/Canada which are christian majority countries , will you keep quiet.?
Akil Akhtar Feb 17, 2013 10:35pm
The author is one of the band of so called liberals and writers in pakistan who are willing to demonise Pakistan and seem to be on an agenda to divide and demoralise this nation as much as they can. Instead of standing up to the terrorists they can only standup to Pakistan. Is he saying shias are not pakistanis....
Karim Lala Feb 17, 2013 10:37pm
I wish it is true, however the writing on the walls are different.
Akil Akhtar Feb 17, 2013 10:31pm
Right. instead of uniting and standing up to terrorists everyone seems to be thinking of themselves and abandoning Pakistan like rats. Many more sunnis and other Pakistanis have been killedd by terrorists than shias but we never heard these shias coming out in their support. It seems its very easy to incite the minorities in this country and divide us. I remember shias started the militancy first emboldened and supported by the iranian shia revolution.
vijayIndia Feb 18, 2013 12:20pm
@Dudenator We have enough problems to deal with and have enough muslims and that too majority are sunnis. Your want to welcome shias and have the same kind of problems here which pakistan is facing? No way.Let them go to places where they are welcome.
Waqar Feb 18, 2013 12:22pm
Pakistan is property of none rather of only MUSLIM.
Akil Akhtar Feb 17, 2013 10:26pm
Don't be absolutely ridiculous...
Bixa Feb 18, 2013 06:07pm
if killing continues, will your border remain safe?Will u have border? Your own people will dissolve it.
gfellow Feb 17, 2013 04:53pm
First It were the Hindus who were made to leave the country, then Bangladesh separated, Christians are unwelcome and are killed, and now it is Shias. May be next will be Ahmedias. Who NEXT.
ignorantways Feb 17, 2013 01:54pm
Sir you didnt mention killing of hundreds of sunnis , deobandis . . . why ? in karachi Madrassa Students and Teachers are being killed daily by whom ?? and the main thing PPP ruling center leftist regime have no responsibility ??
mansoor Feb 17, 2013 04:03pm
What if the security forces are doing these bombings?
abdussamad Feb 17, 2013 07:45pm
Overseas Pakistanis are always eager to recruit more migrants. I wonder why?
Maqsood Baloch Feb 18, 2013 11:02am
I agree with Mr.Murtaza, in order to protect their lives, Shia brothers, particularly Hazaras of Quetta could settle in Hyderabad and other parts of interior Sindh, where people are more tolerant. I have seen Hazaras living a peaceful life in Hyderabad Sindh.
koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:45pm
rewind 750AD
koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:41pm
sorry Laila...the non-islamic world hardly knows about the sects within Islam. Sometime the answer is so near that one can't see.
koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:39pm
If you have not yet figured. Its decided and will be for 1000 years (more zero should be added I think)
EmMoosa Feb 18, 2013 06:03pm
If we remember the first speech of Quaid-e-Azam he strongly emphesized that the new borned country was for all the human being not particularly for muslims. What happened after his demise and his leutinent Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan, the country was captured ill minded politicians, beurocrates, some greedy army generals and mullahs who wanted to implement their own kind of Islam. The purpose of creation of Pakistan was killed by those elements for their own purposes and benefits. Those greedy and misguided people are still in power and the poor Pakistanis are suffering in the hands of those evils. Until the people do not get up and clean up this mafia Pakistan will not come back to its original face.
AHA Feb 17, 2013 10:10pm
Exactly. A mini-two nation theory.
koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:31pm
Superb analysis and a wonderful read. Thank you Mr Abbas learnt a lot.
Bakul Feb 17, 2013 08:33pm
President Zardari is talking about unwavering support to Palestine - Mr. Malik is worried bout security of Shahrukh Khan Hafeez Saeed is worred about Kashmiri (Indian administered) Muslims. I am just wondering, who will worry about Pakistani Muslims? There are Shia Muslims in Palestine. There are Shia and Sufi Muslims in Kashmir. If leaders can worry about them, why they cannot take care of their own fellow country man?
Rizwanul Huda Feb 17, 2013 08:25pm
Our enemy is from our own people who call them the savior of Islam. They are leading a Jihad against an invisible enemy.
Logic guy Feb 17, 2013 08:14pm
It's time to divide Pakistan based on Sunni, Shia, Pashtun, etc. Pakistans very social fabric has been destroyed due to no governance. What is the point of democracy when there is no security for different sects.
Ali Feb 17, 2013 10:09pm
have gone so hopeless that I have stopped thinking........spent the day watching match....I know I should be hated for this but the frustration is such that can't think straight....very disappointing situation...may Allah help all, nothing rational and logical could be said about the nonsense.....
Ali Feb 17, 2013 07:57pm
Yeah that's totally the right approach Mr Obvious. Not getting jobs? Leave Pakistan. No Electricity? Leave Pakistan. Terrorism? Leave Pakistan. Because of this attitude we are in such situation. I am sure no patriot could make this kind of comment. Pakistan is what you make it to be, and if leaving this poor piece of land is what you have on top of the list then God be with us.
Muzaffar Ali Feb 17, 2013 07:58pm
yeah, To show people that, Indeed Dictatorship is Best then Civilian Govt.
Amit Feb 17, 2013 07:58pm
My friends from Pakistan tell me that their country is a beautiful country just like another Switzerland. And I do believe that, from the pictures they show me of SWAT valley; the unfortunate part is though they have swathes of land with mango orchards, apple trees, and breath-taking scenic beauty, problem is that it is infested with Taleban and extremists to an extent that they need to move to foreign lands where they live their life as literal beggars. They keep on telling themselves - why did our fathers and grandfathers have to partition the country. Pity!
S.A.Hyder.Ph.D. Feb 17, 2013 07:52pm
Your article is really excellent and to the point. You do give the real reason behind this calamity ----JAHILLISM!! However "sure we are humans first and everything second" is where I strongly disagree with you. We are not humans, be it first or second or even last. We are a bunch of junglies where anarchy rules and the only law is the law of jungle. We started with Ahmadies, then Shias, later on we will brand the Malikies as Kafirs then Shafaees then Ghezalees then Hanafees and so on until every one will be kafir. The only way we can live in harmony is that we FORGET that we are muslims and try to be humans, humans and humans only. Religion has become the biggest source of discrimination, followed very distantly by colour and creed. Religion is so abstract that every one believes he/she is an authority on it and others have to follow that way, every other belief or practice must be nipped in the bud. Instead of preaching religion we should preach TOLERANCE. Leave religion to God. He devised it, let Him take care of it.
AHA Feb 17, 2013 09:59pm
The hate does not come just from extremists. The Sunni-Shia hate exists in the mainstream. Please do not say that you have never 'felt' that hate before.
Salman US Feb 17, 2013 09:55pm
Shia Militancy is the only option left for SHIAS survival in Pakistan like Iraq. Shias need to get weapons from Iran and fight these terrorists barbarians.
pathanoo Feb 17, 2013 09:52pm
AP Feb 17, 2013 07:50pm
Good graphics collected by Mr Murtaza. For the careful reader, there's some very interesting viewing here, especially starting year 2003. This part of both graphs can be divided into two post-2002 phases: '03-'06 and '07-'12. Just as the no on stories register a significant drop for '03-'06 phase to the next in the first graph, there is a proportional bump in the death figures of the second graph. There is even a year that bucks the trend in the first graph, 2010. There is an increase in the number of stories for this year. And guess what, a corresponding decrease in deaths in the second graph. Again, an anomalous year in phase '07-'12 of the second graph. In essence, this is an army of mercenaries who answer to none, spare none. If they go to the east wing, they cause death there, if they move north-west they cause deaths there. What happens when US forces leave? They will move from the conflict zones to Afghanistan and inner regions of Pakistan. And guess what they will bring with them.
pathanoo Feb 17, 2013 09:48pm
Thank You, AHA.
pathanoo Feb 17, 2013 09:46pm
If they could, they wouldn't be killing each other.
azhar Feb 17, 2013 07:49pm
Here's my two cents. When those closest to me used to talk this way, I felt disgust and anger at how they had let fear get to them, how they would attend majalis and juloos extolling the bravery of Hussain R.A and yet speak of running away to greener pastures when terrorism struck. I felt that if I ever succumbed to the temptation, I would live a life of eternal regret and shame. It is one thing to live one's life according to one's faith and beliefs, and another to accept one's fate. I believe it is in our fate to be killed and persecuted like this. Suffering and pain have always been our identity. To accept this would mean more killings, kidnappings, beheadings, bombings and violence than we have ever witnessed. But it would also mean the affirmation of our belief in our destiny, for no matter how much we suffer, we can never be wiped off the face of the Earth.
zaidi tayyab Feb 17, 2013 04:59pm
one great problem for shia muslims is they are not organized their current so called leader Sajid Naqvi, is the man who can not performe they should be looking man like late Arif Hussani. In Pakistan shia muslims never thought of this,.Only solution of this is to take up arms and fight back with these religious animals
AHA Feb 18, 2013 03:49pm
But Allah does not forbid violence against the heretics. So all you need is to proclaim that someone or some group is a heretic. The problem is embedded in the religion itself.
Shawn Feb 17, 2013 07:33pm
What shocks me more about this killings of Hazara community is that there is no open condemnation from the head of Pakistani Govt. I am a Pakistani American visiting Karachi right now. As I surf the TV channels, I don't see the President or the Prime Minister coming out openly and condemning these attacks and atrocities? Zardari Sahib, Raja Sahib, where are you? Are you with these vicious killers? You don't even have time to record a public condemnation of this ethnic cleansing of your people. Are you too afraid that these killers will turn their guns against you? How can you sleep at night? Shawn
chump Feb 17, 2013 07:32pm
Zimbobhai, if I'm not wrong,Qaid's father was Gujarati Hindu( zinabhai) and got converted to Ismaili( Agakhani).Qaid later got converted to Muslim.
AP Feb 17, 2013 07:24pm
John, I'm afraid your sarcasm will be missed by many a reader
Zain Feb 17, 2013 07:23pm
So you're suggesting that minorities facing persecution in different countries should just flee and leave everything behind? Absurd argument. Why shouldn't the state take more responsibility of protecting it's citizens? How about you use your energies in coming up with better solutions.
Truthy Feb 17, 2013 07:14pm
Stay in Pakistan. Fight for your rights!
Z. Malik Feb 17, 2013 07:05pm
I must appreciate your mentality Mr. Mansoor.. Just look at your post at a public forum directly targeting what.. ?? I am unable to understand the logic behind this post of yours, either your nickname seems fake or your general knowledge is in recycle bin..
raju Feb 18, 2013 04:53pm
What is left to be proud of??????
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 07:03pm
"We have met the enemy, and they are us."
Waseem Khan Feb 17, 2013 07:05pm
as an indian shia...completely agree with this point. Im glad my grandfather didnt move to pakistan at the time of partition else my father wd have been collecting my body parts in Quetta streets today
raju Feb 18, 2013 04:50pm
The day your so called leaders stop worrying about and world and start worrying about its own people, pakistan will be the best place to live. until then do your bit for you country.
mihaiare Feb 17, 2013 06:57pm
I was checking constantly this blog and I
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 06:57pm
Fewer and fewer countries want to import Pakistanis. They have enough problems of their own.
Krishnan Feb 18, 2013 04:45pm
Your ancestors ,must have been arabs I suppose
pathanoo Feb 17, 2013 09:27pm
WOW!!!! No hope........You are the True Hope.
SHK, toronto Feb 17, 2013 06:50pm
This is not Sunnis or shias issue it is purely govt incompetents. Governor Baluchistan rightly said either they are afraid or they are involved. I do not think that they don
Vinay Feb 18, 2013 10:47am
Yes there are several two nation theories existing within present day pakistan's culture
Abuzar Feb 18, 2013 10:54am
Your suspicions are just, without any question but here i share a thought i Quote words of Hazrat Ali (4th Khalifa of Islam). Any society, governed by non Muslim can prevail with justice. But society governed by Muslims without justice cannot prevail
Bernard Feb 17, 2013 06:40pm
If they leave, then they will just carry their battles to the place they go to...No thanks.
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 06:33pm
"To go to paradise they have to kill." French Algerian spy
Tamilselvan Feb 18, 2013 09:22am
An eye for an eye does not solve the problem. Maybe a Shia nation within the borders of Pakistan
hSha Feb 17, 2013 06:32pm
Good you moved to Canada. Pakistan do not need people like you who see the glass as halull.. I hope rest of your family moves awaty too.
Indian HIndu Feb 17, 2013 02:57pm
What is Iran doing when all this is going on? Or they only go after Salman Rashdi? No courage to stand up for Hazara in Pakistan. No courage to stand up against Taliban? Why should Shia follow Iran then?
Abbas Feb 17, 2013 04:51pm
To all the Indians Making comments with a fake Pakistani profile, worry about your Maoists and 15 other Insurgencies, Already your economy has slowed down, cant protect your women in buses because you worry too much for us.
Imran Feb 17, 2013 03:14pm
Time for Shias to leave Pakistan? But why? Why not time for all of us to unite and kill these terrorists who are killing Shia citizens of Pakistan. It would be helpful if all shades of Pakistanis openly condemn these senseless killings.
AHA Feb 17, 2013 03:02pm
Islam is full of contradictions. The terrorists and the suicide bombers also get their guidance from our religious texts.
Indian HIndu Feb 17, 2013 02:58pm
I am glad you did not blame India for this. Thank you.
Fazil K. Feb 17, 2013 04:50pm
You mean an internal partition may be the solution.
sohail khan Feb 17, 2013 03:00pm
i dont understand your confused, when drone strikes mostly civilian population suffers and when terrorist blows himself only innocents die. because drones kill civilians does not mean militants should kill shias.
laila Feb 17, 2013 03:00pm
feels like whole world is against shias afghanistan iraq , Bahrain, saudi ,lebanon , syria and everyone is trying to destroy iran. I wish moving away can solve the problem
abbastoronto Feb 17, 2013 03:43pm
Had Mr. Haider taken Management 101, Economics 101, Systems Theory 101, Evolution 101, and especially Islamic History 101, his piece would have had a realistic and positive tone. The Primal Question of Existence is Survival, Growth, Evolution, and Religions as socio-economic systems offer comprehensive answers. Rituals help people of similar economic outlook bond together. The more adapted a System to its Environment, the more optimal and efficient it is, the faster its Growth and Evolution. The Shia System has different socio-economics than its majority brother, and more adaptive because of Ijtehad. For 4,000 years only two Systems have vied for world hegemony, the Hellenic and the Abrahamic, the latter coming out on the top for most of the history, largely because of it creating better god(s) than its rival and being more efficient. Each religion (System) is tied to an economic environment. Of the 3 Abrahamic Islams, the Pastoral Economy had the Law of Moses as its natural answer, the Agrarian the Love of Jesus, and the Exchange the Justice of Mohammed AS. Moses was a shepherd, Jesus an artisan in the Fertile Crescent, Mohammed AS a businessman trader. They were the Chief Economists of their Eras. Literary analysis of the 3 Scriptures reflects prevalent economics. After Mohammed AS and his Secular Republic of Medina, his Islam split into the Umarites (later the Sunni, Wahabbi, Qadiani) and Fatimites (later Shia, Alevi, Ismaili). The Umarite Kaliphate allied itself with the yehud, regressed to Pastoral ways, and turned theocratic. Its unwise conquests into agrarian world meant this pastoral Islam was even more inefficient. The flexible Fatimites moved to agrarian lands, allying with Christians, so regressed less. Whereas Shia found refuge in Agrarian India, Mesopotamia, Levant, Iran in the past, today the choice is limited. With Globalization and Free Trade, the Umarite Islam is 2 stages removed from reality around it, therefore the worldwide panic, suicide, and nihilism within it. The Fatimite Islam is only
Zalim Singh Feb 17, 2013 03:33pm
Mr. Haider, Pakistanis are busy concentrating on Kashmir to even bother about the Shia killings.
Zimbo_Indian Feb 17, 2013 04:09pm
Zahid bhai, you are confusing me. Firstly, I always thought Jinnah was a Muslim. Now you tell me he was a shia. Regarding your advise to shias, I feel it should be directed at ALL Muslims. 1. Muslims should get education. Because most common Muslims are uneducated. 2. Muslims should get united. 3. Muslims should vote for those who believe in peace and justice. One last point. Muslims should know who their enemy is.
TLW Feb 17, 2013 04:07pm
So somebody was saying something about Shia miltancy..... :-/
Mohammed hazara Feb 17, 2013 04:00pm
Shias should ask for separate nation within pakistan
Zimbo_Indian Feb 17, 2013 04:03pm
Yes. Remember how taliban had quoted scriptures to justify their attack on Malala.
BRR Feb 17, 2013 04:50pm
As evidenced by 1000 years of conflicts ;-)
a.k.lal Feb 17, 2013 02:52pm
enjoy the goose you cooked
Hasnain Feb 17, 2013 03:39pm
Finally Murtuza has decided to put on the spectacles called reality rather than analyzing situation based on unproven theories.
Vj Feb 17, 2013 02:55pm
Pakistan has never stood on its own. During the cold war it became a puppet of the US. Its again a puppet of US. Now you are also being used by China. And you are also being used by your own Intelligence, and your own Generals. How millions of moslems can live in peace and prosper - that lesson you should take from India. But you refuse to learn. In order to truly remove violence (disease) from your nation, you have to forget Kashmir, you have to forget the ways of creating trouble for your neighbors.. You cannot have both peace and Kashmir. You can choose peace. Or you can choose a continuation of the hell that is your own country where muslims kill muslims by the dozens. India is not without its defects - but it has not sold its army to a foreign power, and most important it has tried not to spread terror in its neighbors ..
Amit Feb 17, 2013 02:50pm
from the looks of the data, it seems like the same strain (and high chances the same bunch of people) of extremists who caused trouble in Kashmir to minorities and moderate Muslims have relocated to Quetta and are causing trouble for minority shias and moderate Muslims. The Osama-Zawahiri-Omar kind of fundamentalist attitude has already poisoned their minds to a point of no return.
Nasir Feb 17, 2013 03:30pm
5 crore shia could have their own country in pakitsan, it could be the last option. if our agencies dont want to control terrorism.our forces and agencies were behind bangladesh separation. and they are again on way to disintegrate pakistan. if we want to save our country we should wash our army from zia ul haqs ideology, and corner the politicians pro terrorists
No hope. Feb 17, 2013 03:32pm
Until we stop this religious divide,until we stop acting like we the Sunni's who are the favored or the ultimate muslims,until we the people stop judging each other by who we worship,until we stop pointing fingers and above all,until we respect our own faith,worry about when we face the day of judgement,until we respect people as who they are rather then what their beliefs are,this will continue.As a muslim,I wonder why people are so concerned about others while they themselves are the bigger sinners hiding behind those long beards,acting like the official spokes person for the ALL MIGHTY.Pakistan is no different from other countries where there are several different faiths are practiced,I think its time we the people are held to a higher standard just like we the people must hold the government and the courts at a higher level.Wouldn't it be great if we all lived peacefully regardless of what we believed in,after all,what I believe in and how I practice being a person is between me and my creator.I will have to agree that muslims are the most judgemental and reactive people on earth,most of us are fake who hide behind our religion,we are destructive,opinionated,extremists whether you believe it or not or accept it or not.We are easily diverted like a bunch of lambs because we lack education to make sound choices.n my opinion this is how I see things,sure we are humans first and everything second,but we are by far the worst nation,we can never prosper,we can never be like others.Just look at the new bus system,they have already broken the windows,wrecked the buses,if the bus seats 50,you'll find 150,why? because we are a JAHILL KOM,until we fix that,we will continue to be poor and JAHILL,which makes us twice as dangerous.I know I'll get alot of ugly responds,and to make the matters worse,I'm a Pakistani and admits it,all I can say is that the truth hurts,it bothers me to know.
Tahir Ali Feb 18, 2013 04:31pm
Please be responsible while posting your comments on a sensitive matter like this.
Tamilselvan Feb 18, 2013 09:26am
Most of the security forces of Pakistan are Sunnies too
rasoolakhter Feb 17, 2013 06:09pm
What education will work in this situation, educated people are killing shia of pakistan, state machinery should take stand against killers, this shows that state is in hibernation
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 06:06pm
I'll believe you.
Akhter Rasool Feb 17, 2013 06:06pm
i feel government or people in power want these head less people for stability of themselves, they support even they create people like these, and if government is interested they can clean all mafia with in a week
Ali aamir Feb 17, 2013 03:22pm
If the state is not going to protection and take responsibilities for security for all shias and minorities then put all shias and minorities in one province there they should protect themselves instead of the worthless security now how is that?
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 06:05pm
The two state solution. I've heard of that.
Cyrus Howell Feb 17, 2013 06:03pm
"Pakistan is no different from other countries where there are several different faiths are practiced." Pakistan is very different. "Wouldn
Edmond Feb 17, 2013 05:58pm
A superb answer. I feel like framing it and putting it in the wall of every Pakistani house. May God bless you.
Nasir Feb 17, 2013 03:19pm
Mr Murtaza, please dont label them as sunni, they are deobandi and wahabi intolerant. sunnis have good chemistry with shia.
aniyan Feb 17, 2013 03:17pm
nya generation kuch karo iss bare mem
S. A. M. Feb 17, 2013 03:18pm
My Grand Parents (may their souls rest eternally in heavenly abode) made the mistake to leave Amroha (then a town in District Muradabad) to come to Pakistan. Many of our relatives are still living there. When we meet in places like UAE they say that they have no fear in India. Nobody ever attacks the procession of Imam Hussain. What can we do. Alas we have lost the connection with the land of our ancestors and where we would have been treated as sons of the soil. Now that me and my family are living a safe life in Canada (Alhamdullillah) we are worried for our loved ones in Pakistan. There are hundreds of thousands of shia in Pakistan not all can flee there has to be a permanent peaceful solution. Taleban and the likes must be tethered.
BJK Feb 17, 2013 09:01pm
Leaving is never the answer. It did not work for the Jewish people in Germany, it did not work for the Hindus in Sindh, or for the Pandits in Kashmir. People should take measures to protect themselves and fight for their rights and maybe (just maybe) enough individuals of goodwill from the majority will side with them to make a difference.
masooma Feb 17, 2013 08:58pm
VERY WELL EXPLAINED Abbass ' I believe Knowledge leads to courage and living in a jungle like a lion is the grace of survival . lion does it not only for himself but for others also , regardless of life or death .
Zimbo_Indian Feb 17, 2013 04:15pm
First Bengalis were the targets. Then Hindus and Christians. Then Ahmediyas. Now Shias. I think after all non-Sunnis have been wiped out, the next target will be liberal / educated Sunnis which will include large number of Dawn readers. And finally, we may see Pakistan seeking financial aid from Afghanistan. .
akki Feb 17, 2013 05:18pm
coup de grace .. thought it was Gaussian distribution
Imran Feb 17, 2013 03:09pm
Are you suggesting that the Shia killings are their own fault? The state has no responsibility in protecting its citizens?
BRR Feb 17, 2013 04:48pm
Weaving a narrative, however illogical, to suit ones biases.
Indian Feb 17, 2013 03:00pm
anil Feb 17, 2013 05:25pm
religion of course ...But what we want is pakistanis should know it late ...
Haroon Feb 18, 2013 04:21pm
Take your drones and go do business elsewhere. You create terrorism smart aleck.
Zimbo_Indian Feb 18, 2013 04:21pm
If Pakistan is the property of only Muslims, then what do you think is the status of Hindus and Christians in Pakistan?
Indian HIndu Feb 17, 2013 03:03pm
The what are you going to do AHA? I am asking what are "YOU" going to do to change the situation. Or you will wait for some one to do something? Can you vow not to berate or hate any minority? Can you encourage your family not to hate other minorities? You can do it if you have will. Will you do it AHA?
S. A. M. Feb 17, 2013 03:06pm
No India is not our enemy. Nobody need to waste his time or resources to inflict harm upon us as we are self sufficient in nurturing the enemy which is totaly from the land of the pure. Hindus are great people they cannot be compared with these barbarians.
Edmond Feb 17, 2013 05:24pm
Mr Abbastoronto, it seems another para of copy and paste seems to have gone awry. I think you push the 'post comment' key too quickly while distracted by the arrival of piping hot pakoras and chai as quite rightly mentioned by an interesting chap on an earlier post before.
farhaz Feb 18, 2013 04:11pm
Dear Siddiqui, You are right and it is nice that at least some sane person is trying to fix up the errors...but are these terrorists going to listen to the sane minds? According to them everyone who is against their thinking are against are the sane people going to face the guns and rabid thinking?
PM Feb 17, 2013 05:21pm
Hello Abbas, must admit that I like what you have written and would request you to share good reads about the links between economies & faith. That said, don't you think that its time for a new faith to arise to connect those participating in the "new" economies or would it take a catastrophe for people to shed their old skins? Secondly, I also agree that the minorities or the oppressed cannot expect anybody else to stand up/ support them. However it'll quite challenging if you are unable to retaliate (given that you are policed by a state) and your leaders can get picked off while you try and organize.
koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:53pm
why do you care ...IH
koushik Feb 17, 2013 08:54pm
you are
Desi Feb 17, 2013 05:13pm
Another joke. There are plenty of sleeping minds around.
Faridoon Feb 18, 2013 09:55am
Brother Murtaza, militancy and terrorism has unfortunately become rampant in our country and that is a sad fact. I agree whole heartedly that targetting a minority in the name of religion is ignorant and cruel. When unknown terrorists with unknown motives attack and kill people, that is not their victory. They become victorious after we start counting how many Shia and Sunni died so that other parties can be blamed. This is the same old divide and conquer strategy that we have been suckered into for over a century. First they divided us into Muslim and Non-muslim. Now they want to further divide us into Shia, sunni, deobandi, barelvi etc. In the future they will divide us by the language we speak, the colour of our skin... it never ends. As long as we remain vulnerable and disunited, we will continue to suffer. Let's be Muslims and Pakistanis before we are Shia, Sunni or anything else.
anonymous Feb 17, 2013 02:21pm
First the poor Hazaras are subjected to terror and now this clown wants them to give up home and hearth and become refugees.
SSA Feb 17, 2013 02:20pm
What kind of Muslims they are ? do they forget the Hadith of Hazarat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) that
zahid Feb 17, 2013 02:18pm
Once again Mr Murtaza you are wrong by saying Shia's should leave the country. I belive This country was made by shia leader QUAID AZAM & shia should know leaving pakistan is not the cure of the problem. Shia's should be doing the following things. 1. Shia's should get Education. Most of the common shia are Uneducated. 2. Shia's should get united not just for 10 days of Muharram. 3. Shia's should Vote in the election to those who belive in peace & justice. 4. Shia's should be also involve in Media & have their strong presence. 5. Shia's should also be Vigilent & proactive. One last point we belive in Allah help those who help themself. Shia's should have clear direction, who their enemy is.
raj handal Feb 17, 2013 02:18pm
Reminds you of the famous saying: First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
BEA Feb 17, 2013 03:59pm
why should the Shias leave why cant evey one live together in peace, after all they are muslim as well what is wrong with the people of pakistan why are they hell bent on getting rid and killing everyone. the shias have just as much right to be in Pakistan as the sunnis. wake up Pakistan and stop making emanies out of everyone.
debal Feb 18, 2013 04:15pm
If the shia hazaras were to move to cities like karachi and even aboard , not all the shias will be able to move, second, this would make the remaining shias even more vulnerable based on the fact the less population exists. They want us to get out of Pakistan. We will and we should not move. If we really want to make a point, we should start moving to hazara communities. To show them exactly that we do not fear you and will not let you run over Pakistan. We shall protect it. In conclusion it is not a solution to run away from death. The solution is to stand up and fight for your rights (i believe the current reaction shown by the hazaras are perfect, we just need to be patient) . Maybe we don't see a ray of light that would suggest help is on the way, but we have to walk through this path regardless. Cause as you entered into a cave of darkness their is always a way out.
Javed Hussaini Feb 17, 2013 02:13pm
So much for the two nation theory, Maulana Azad was 100% right, I am glad my parents stayed put in India and not move to Pakistan, on the eve of partition. Being a Shia , and a minority in India, I feel much safer in Haryana, a 90% Hindu area where I live, then I ever will in a muslim nation. Pakistan needs to learn to respect people and be tolerant, if the hindus want they can wipe out muslims from India and the world would probably do nothing , as it is a big economi power on which no military or eonomic sanctions will work, but that does no happen in India, periodic riots do happen that is as much a fault of muslims and hindus or sikhs, Our MLA is a muslim, the next constituency the MLA is a Sikh, and again the population is both communities is less then 10%. I hope that this venom from Pakistan does not spread to muslims in India, already we have seen anti shia violence in Lucknow.
Agha Ata (USA) Feb 17, 2013 02:11pm
It is time for SHIAS to move out of Pakistan. I would recommend that SUNNIES should also do the same.
Zimbo_Indian Feb 17, 2013 03:56pm
Are non-Muslims also safe from the tongue and hand of true Muslims? Or is it OK to kill non-Muslims? Will some "true Muslim" like to answer?
S. A. M. Feb 17, 2013 02:09pm
Murtaza don't be a fickle. Stay on one side. Last time in your article you were against shias of Pakistan trying to link them with Iran and this time you are crying for their deaths. Its hilarious how people can change like weather!
raja hindustani Feb 17, 2013 03:57pm
muslims killing muslims in land made specially for muslims. So two nation theory is relevant now..??
jake Feb 17, 2013 02:04pm
I am confused. Few days ago your data was 'telling' civilian horror story of drone campaign against the terrorists. Today your data is showing civilian horror story inflicted by the terrorists. So should we bomb the terrorists or let them continue?
S. A. M. Feb 18, 2013 09:28am
Abbas that is really a bad statement. I am from Karachi but I am convinced that not only shias or sunnis but the general public in India are safe. They have not been such great enemies as our own people are. can't you make from the feelings that sunnis and shias have against each other in the country. you think we stand a chance to point finger at someone else and particularly India. I am of the opinion that if we were in India we would have been far better. think it over with an mind.
afzaalkhan Feb 17, 2013 02:03pm
Are they going to leave Iraq too? Ur playing in hands of militants who want secretarian civil war
Abbas Feb 17, 2013 02:03pm
Deep sorrow over the massacre of the innocent Hazara people. Good Blog but we need to do more in order to wake up the Pakistani Nation before its gets too late. The time has come to save Pakistan and every Pakistani should stand up against these extremist groups and their extreme ideology. May Allah save innocent people in Pakistan.
Zimbo_Indian Feb 18, 2013 04:11pm
NO, NO, NO,........ We have enough problems of our own. We don't want more. In any case, Muslims (both Shias and Sunnis) opted for Pakistan in 1947. They will have deal with their choice themselves. While Shias seem to be under pressure right now i Pakistan, but do remember that basically they are Muslims and will sooner or later create trouble for their neighbour non-Muslims.
Purnendu Pattnaik Feb 17, 2013 02:03pm
Is India really your enemy???
AHA Feb 18, 2013 04:11pm
The best post on this Blog in my view.
Fazil K. Feb 17, 2013 05:07pm
Bravo! Self-criticism requires tremendous courage and maturity. The west criticizes themselves a everyday and that help them improve into a society everyone wishes to emigrate to (even some Islamic radicals as in UK).
Bipul Feb 17, 2013 01:56pm
While writer has expressed his frustration over the situation of minority in Pakistan, he has virtually condoned the act of terrorism in India Administered Kashmir. Till people of Pakistan has soft corner for any kind of terrorism anywhere, such incidents will continue to proliferate. Once a terrorist tastes blood, there is no stopping.
AHA Feb 18, 2013 04:08pm
Here comes the true face of Pakistan.
Waseem Ahmad Feb 17, 2013 03:54pm
No Mr Murtaza you are wrong. why the Shias should leave this country? Only because some barbaric, sectarian hate mongers wanted them to leave. We, Sunnis and Shias, have been living here in peaceful manner for centuries. This country belong to both of us and not to these elements whose minds are filled with venom. One day we will be the victors and these elements would be the ultimate losers.
mansoor Feb 17, 2013 03:54pm
Time for everyone to leave. No need to switch off the lights -- there is no electricity.
jeff Feb 17, 2013 03:49pm
Haroon Feb 18, 2013 04:10pm
Dont blame the never changed and thats why theres a billion plus folllowers. Muslims are full of contradictions... not Islam. aha
Cynical Feb 17, 2013 01:43pm
"Better to be alive in exile than to be splattered on a wall." You are spot on. Value of life is much more than a mere colour of a Passport.
DS Feb 17, 2013 01:41pm
These statistics are scary!
krishna prasad Feb 17, 2013 01:41pm
Excellent exposition of the truth as on today within Pakistan...Would the state has the will to do more to stamp-out the sectarian violence? Do they have a plan? Or do they play hide and seek to serve its own interests? A serious point to the minority sect leaders to resolve/fix this issue.
John Feb 17, 2013 03:45pm
It seems to me that the same conditions exist today in Pakistan for the Shias to ask for a separate nation that the Qaid e Azam had listed when he asked for the breakup of India and the creation of Pakistan. Separate culture, beliefs, ideals, origins....
shakir merani Feb 17, 2013 01:36pm
very well said ............but where u can go...........we have two option .....we must hold the guns or waiting for death h
Desi Feb 17, 2013 05:04pm
Lol. You must be joking. Wake up and smell the coffee. So sad. May god help the poor and those in need.
azharnadeem Feb 17, 2013 01:34pm
I think we need to look at things in right context....Many of renowned Shia leaders of Pakistan recently said that ongoing anti-Shia terrorism has nothing to do with sectarian violance. Terrorism has different dynamics in every region 1. in KPK Sunnis are victims of suicide blasts inside mosques and mostly on Fridays. 2. In Karachi it has taken the shape of target killing as it could not wear sectarial look. 3. In Baluchistan victims are mostly Hazaras...Hazaras are Shias but they are not the sole Shia community...Why they are under attack only Let us not spread confusion and try to look for enemy wisely
AHA Feb 17, 2013 01:34pm
So this is your sniping point. Your 'straw'. Where will the Shias go to. To Iran, in a totally different culture. To India, I do not think so. I think there is still hoe for Pakistan, if the army decides to put the ginnie of religion back into the bottle. But if we continue on the same path of religion, then there is no hope, nit just for the Shias, but also for a vast majority of Sunnis.
Ali Feb 18, 2013 10:14am
What an immature commentary by you people. The line has been drawn, youre not going to get an inch of Pakistan. Bye ...
Art Feb 17, 2013 04:46pm
First the Hindus, then the Ahmadis, now the shias, who's next?
Ram, India Feb 17, 2013 01:33pm
A really strong indictment of the situation in Pakistan! Is anybody listening??
Dudenator Feb 17, 2013 03:40pm
I invite the Shias of Pakistan to come to India. India has always opened her doors and hearts to people needing protection. 3 big business leaders in India are of Shia origin i.e mr. Azim Premji, Mr. Habil Khorakiwala and Mr. Y K. Hamied. Apart from these 3 gentlemen, the Shia community in India are peace loving, highly educated and they live without fear of anything.
impactpakistan Feb 18, 2013 04:06pm
Very well said man, they are facing the hatred as they do not belong from this place, also they have limited them selves to their respective colonies, where no other persons from other tribes can visit. They are using their own transport services, refusing other's transport, buying and selling only from their people.
nauman Feb 18, 2013 10:18am
Absurd argument is yours. When minorities are persecuted they either leave or demand a new country. Which way would you want them to go?
bukhari Feb 17, 2013 04:28pm
we should learn the art of tolerance in our hearts by giving respect to religion of others. if some body does not agree with you. don't sabotage him, but keep patience. just keep the simple policy. obey your's, respect other's. thank u.
Tamilselvan Feb 18, 2013 09:30am
Islam is a religion of peace but the followers say that if you question it we'll cut you to pieces!
Ali Feb 18, 2013 10:22am
Sorry Amut. Just because the British had amalgamated these two lands together does not mean we were ever one nation. I am very different from you ... ethically, culturally, religiously, etc.etc.etc. Proud Shia Pakistani.
faisal Feb 19, 2013 06:48am
Exactly. I just don't understand why the Hazara community has been so peaceful. They should have started retaliation long ago. They should have raished hell to get the notice of, not just the brutals, but also the establishment.
ali Feb 19, 2013 06:56am
mr murtaza should come & take the shias to toronto if possible. or to Gujrat where Mr Modi is waiting to welcome him.
raja hindustani Feb 19, 2013 07:02am
dear we are not interested in interfering internal matter of pakistan...but if pakistan will be disturbed then it would affect India as well. This is what worrying us.
asok Feb 19, 2013 07:27am
@Mansoor Ali..Shia population in India is around 30-35 per cent of total Muslim population, and they are more inclusive, peaceful, modern, hard working and have strong aspiration for better future in India.
Mehboob Feb 19, 2013 07:34am
Because of no morals; corrupt to the core specially the ruling government; Have sold their soul to the devil hoping to live for ever; That is why they cannot feel the pain of their brothers and sister who are massacred daily. Bystanders are also slowly sucked into this vicious circle because of being an observer and not taking any stand against this barbaric condition that is prevailing right in their land. For Allah's sake, Wake up and be HUMAN and take care of HIS Creations and protect them. DO YOU WANT SUCH KIND OF PEOPLE TO RULE OVER YOU? JUST THINK!!!
Yousuf Ahmad Feb 19, 2013 07:34am
Reagrding your comment on the SC making mockery of the dual nationals. What do you expect - that we treat people like Tahir Qadri by laying a red carpet welcome. He came with an agenda to derail the democratic process and he has not minced any words in saying so. Pakistan has had it's fair share of the dual nationals - we have had prime ministers imported (Moin Qureshi/Shaukat Aziz). We sincerely welcome our dual national brothers and sisters - but please dont expect us to welcome them when they come out of now where and want to "FIX" the political system.
Ekone Feb 19, 2013 07:44am
its easy to sit in north american and pass judgements on Pakistan and propose solutions, why dont you help your dept first, and stop worrying about Pakistan.
Muhammad Bilal Feb 19, 2013 07:57am
guys it is not sunni who kills shia or shia who kills sunni, it is some one else who enjoys the unrest in pakistan, it is USA's black water which is killing from both sides and alleging one an is USA who needs to justify their presence in Asia
Yasir Feb 19, 2013 08:01am
Dear Murtaza, I do not support such massacre in Pakistan. but brother we Sunni are equally upset as you are on this situation. how can you think of leaving Pakistan. This is your and our homeland. some inhuman can not compel us to leave Pakistan. We are fighting against them and will fight till death. we need to be united at this time. I understand our government failed to protect us, but these are not who gave us this country. We love to live together there is no discrimination among us, yes there are few who are every where I believe. but if you kind educated people, proud of Pakistan take things this way so where will other people go...?? I once again strongly condemn this brutality!!!
Muhammad Bilal Feb 19, 2013 08:02am
awesome reply
vijayIndia Feb 19, 2013 08:05am
Sorry, Sunnis are in majority in India
Arju Feb 19, 2013 08:09am
NO way. Why should Shias leave Pakistan? And where will they go? This is also their country, their motherland and they have all the rights and duties as citizens. May be the author likes provocative headings in order to attract readers. The fundamental issue here, and unfortunately everywhere in Pakistan, is that the state has failed to fulfull its obligations to its citizens. Security and Stability are fundamental tenets of a state. Shias and all others should punish the politicians for these heinous crimes. The good politicians should punish the police and security officials of this area. The president should punish the army officials responsible for this area- the corps commanders. State levies taxes, hence has also a moral duty to protect citizens. If state fails, shias should stop paying taxes! Remember, violence is never a befitting answer to violence. The parliament can also changes laws which punish shias to be non-muslims. But once again, this party- or so called political junta has failed in all aspects and should be thrown out at next ballotbox.
vijayIndia Feb 19, 2013 08:11am
A few Indians are telling Shias to settle in India. Let me tell you that we are our hands full with problems. We cannot afford to allow thousands of Shias into India and create a problem which pakistan is facing.
Kirtimaya Varma Feb 19, 2013 08:15am
A well-balanced and bold article. Shias, Ahmedis, Bohras and other moderate Muslims are well protected in India from extremist Muslims by a police force that is predominantly Hindu.Proud to be an Indian. Kirtimaya Varma
khanm Feb 19, 2013 08:27am
We should feel sorrow, but not sink under its oppression. There is no grief like the grief that does not speak. There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.
george Feb 19, 2013 08:29am
I have full respect for islam, but its a fact that wherever a religious violence occurs, one party is always muslim. but in this case both the fighting parties are muslims. I think violence will never cease until all peoples of other religions except muslims are dead ( not sure ). I have never heard religious fight between christians, hindu, buddhists, jews, sikh etc. but muslims are fighting with all these religions everywhere and among themselves too. . I know Islam doesnt preach violence but then where does the fault lies. No offence
Zahid Feb 19, 2013 08:35am
Are you nuts? Why should they leave? This is a wrong message to send. We all need to stand up and fight and drive these killer out. I can't believe the author even suggesting contacting embassies. Why leave our own country to get abused in foreign land?
HWG Feb 19, 2013 08:35am
Probably Pak as a country has to give up idea of state religion. Only then there will be equal treatment of all people in front of law -- whether Sunnis, Shias, or Ahmadiyas, or Hindus, Christians or Sikhs. The moment state identifies with a particular religion there will be peole claiming to be the purest even within the religion. On the other hand when there is no preference by state, the quest to prove onself to be superior than others will end and everyone will be equal.
anil tiwari Feb 19, 2013 08:50am
I have so many Muslim friends. I think Shia's, Ahmedia's & Bohra's are the most friendly.
Basheer Feb 19, 2013 09:09am
Yes, first of all you are a humenbeing.
Muslim Feb 19, 2013 09:15am
Mr @MMS are saying "What nonsence" because you and your family are not suffering like innocent Shia Muslims here.....if anyone in your family or your whole family gets wiped out from the face of the earth by such violence, then i'll ask you if it still is "What nonsence".....You are a TTP member for sure!!!!!
Khan Bhai Feb 19, 2013 09:20am
Really who was Mushaf Ali Mir? Sunni? No sir, he was the Chief of PAF and a proud Shia. And I say that as a Sunni.
Indicus Feb 19, 2013 09:21am
"Pakistan has been the target of terrorism orchestrated by the very agents who once afforded the state its strategic depth." Dear Mr.Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. , the Associate Dean, I like this statement very much.
WarAgainstTerror Feb 19, 2013 09:52am
This was going to happen one day or the other. The Shias in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria decided to join the war against terror against the Sunni's. And Genocyde did happen in those countries. Maybe people forget that for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Recently I have seen some people writing bad things on facebook about the most beloved Sahabas of the Prophet (saw). This is yet another excuse for the militants to retaliate. I strongly suggest that Shia people should stop using hate talks against the sahabas and ummul momineen, and also stop joining other people in war against the muslims. For Shia / Sunnis to reunite peacefully.
Guru Feb 19, 2013 09:54am
Why are you inviting trouble? Let them sort it out themselves.
WarAgainstTerror Feb 19, 2013 10:01am
This was bound to happen sooner or later. In the war against terror, the Shias decided to join teams with the visiting forces aganist targetting majority of sunnis in Afghanist and Iraq. The shia president of Syria also decided to bombard his sunni countrymen which has reached a figure of over 40,000 civillian deaths, including women and children. Indeed a genocyde happened in those countries. When muslims join forces against non-muslims to attack their brothers, then they remain brothers no more and become enemies. Because for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Also recently some shias have been posting on facebook bad words against the most beloved sahabas of the Prophet (saw) and ummul momineen. I strongly suggest that shia community shuld stop using hate speech against them and also stop joining non-muslims against their brothers. So that shia and sunni can reunite peacefully.
Ankur Feb 19, 2013 10:04am
Be human first
Jabeen Feb 19, 2013 10:05am
Did you mean to say that "majority of Muslims in India are 'sunnis', yet as a shia you feel safer there?" because: Shias are considered a 'minority' in India and make up 25% to 31% of Muslim population in India ( In Pakistan, a Muslim country, shias are NOT a minority; they are 'Muslims' but just less in number compared to sunnis. We, sunnis and shias plus other religious denominations (Christians, Hindus, etc.) must realize that there are 'people' in Pakistan who are bent on creating circumstances to start a sectarian 'war'. Difficult as it may be, we must stand united!
Adnan Ansari Feb 19, 2013 10:12am
Author is actually a loser and if he is writing about Muslims who have been associated with Hassan R.A and Hussain R.A, they even in Karbala havent given up. Showing graphs and writing impressive speech won't let "real" men to leave Pakistan.. You stay in exile in a western country, and goodluck to you with your worldly desirous life!
AD Feb 19, 2013 10:25am
So that they can feel better about abandoning their own country. Strength in numbers..
rajiv Feb 19, 2013 10:30am
Ever Heard of shia sunni clashes in india... ever heard of a man called jinnah promising something....
supro Feb 19, 2013 10:31am
hahaha do u think Indians are interested to take over pakistan !
supro Feb 19, 2013 10:33am
dude i would suggest u to just travel to India for a vacation and u will come to know about the reality(ofcourse if u want to see/know it
rajiv Feb 19, 2013 10:39am
Because india was most stregically located and beautiful country then a man called jinnah came and poured acid of hate on its land and now only the poison can be cultivated...
jamal Feb 19, 2013 10:43am
sir im agree with your thinking but we saw a foot print of this extremism who give them budge for killing of our brother shia community first the Taliban grow up in Pakistan with support of Saudi Arabia US and GC country using for against soviet union
Abdul Samad Feb 19, 2013 10:45am
Murtaza Bhai, you are right but I am not totally agree with you. your view is one sided. you voiced only for Shias. you blamed only Deobandis for killings. but in actual in bomb blasts, in target killings and in other ancidents mostly Deobandis are killed. your view can pravail hate in Shias against Deobandis. you should not give such views that will create differences b/w Shia and Sunni
rajiv Feb 19, 2013 10:47am
Yeh laila you forgot to mention India, We have almost same number of shias in india as there are in pakistan but sunnis dont kill them... try to find the reason... i can give a detailed reason here but quite clearly dawn wont let it reach you... even the most modern publication in the pakistan does not want people to face the bitter truth.. :)
Lia Feb 19, 2013 10:51am
still india is much safer than Pakistan (insult to PAK Pure to call Pakistan)
Haider Feb 19, 2013 10:53am
how ill is your thinking mr. haider, shia are the followers of Mola Ali who never retreat from battlefield than how can your with tears of crocodile suggest for an asylum in foreign country. Pakistan is our land and no one can take it from us and we will stay here till the last drop of our blood as the world rule is there that when a thief attacks your home you never fled away instead hits back. I think you have got this thinking from USA where not only get your bread but mantle feed as well. keep this cheep thoughts with yourself ok
Uzair khan Feb 19, 2013 11:12am
Mr. Haider i respect your opinion that shias are facing troubles by the hands of extremists or non state actors. But it is a not good of you if the people like you respond like this in the situation. it is not a solution that shias should ask for asylum in the other countries. I also deny from you that any particular group is targeting like sunnis targeting them. you better know that what has been happening in pakistan; so in my point of view humans are humans and they should be treated as the same
AD Feb 19, 2013 11:14am
Ever heard of sampling error and sampling bias? You cannot, with a straight face at least, extrapolate the views of a few thousand onto the views of almost 200 million people.
Naveed Feb 19, 2013 11:24am
Time for Shias, to start a demand of their own independent country , following Jinnah's logic
AD Feb 19, 2013 11:29am
Why are Indians so obsessed with Pakistan? Did we really hurt your ego that bad in 1947?
Victor Feb 19, 2013 11:30am
May be time to divide Pakistan into 2 countries. One for Sunnis and the second for shias
Majid Feb 19, 2013 11:31am
Please do not associate the word muslim with these butchers. Too late however, as I am forever defending my faith when asked about Islam/Pakistan from non muslims. I am I fear in a losing battle.
BEA Feb 19, 2013 11:34am
why should they leave Pakistan it is there country as well why do sunni mislims think that Pakistan belongs to them, it belongs to all Pakistanis, what is wrong with Pakistan why are they doing this to innocent people, have these people who are killing the innocent shias thought that the founder of Pakistan Mr Jinnah was also a shia. but ofcause they have not Pakistan has become a failed state the corrupt gov do not care what happens to it the popele who are fed up do not know what to do its time to wake upa nd smell the coffee Pakistan. live in peace because all muslims are suppose to be brothers and live an peace.
BEA Feb 19, 2013 11:37am
standing back and watching the killings, what would one expect from them.
BEA Feb 19, 2013 11:38am
No RRS muslims are doing that to themselvesthey do not need any outside help to ruin themselves.
BEA Feb 19, 2013 11:42am
Malik why should they go anywhere they are living in there country Pakistan does not just belong to the sunni muslims it belongs to anyone who lives there shiaschristians,hidus,sikhs any anyone else who is not a sunni muslim. sunni muslims do not have the rights on Pakistan no one has. live in peace Pakistan before you destroy your self.
Sagar meh Feb 19, 2013 11:52am
Lie lie big lie. only upto 20 pcent of Indian muslims are Shia.
Navid Feb 19, 2013 11:55am
Very sad happening once again. It should not have happened and nothing like this should happen. I am not justifying or arguing against the ill feelings of those who suffered, but why we are pointing fingers at the whole nation? Those who die in other parts of the country are also human beings and Pakistanis, rather them be sunnis or whatever. Why we forget the fact that we are all one nation? If anyone is harmed, we should look at it with one opinion. By the way, the author sitting in a comfortable chair in a foreign land has forgotten that those who struggled for Pakistan were Muslims. They never thought about being of one sect or the other. With your kind articles and the foreign involvements, the country is heading towards a state very similar to Iraq/Libya. Pakistani nation should decide their destiny. Stand unite and fight the hidden enemy within themselves or follow such articles and become the next Iraq/Libya. Wherever you go you will still be called a "bloody Paki" and nothing else.
Malik Farooq Feb 19, 2013 11:56am
Are you sure to say that majority of muslimes in india are shia. Get some facts right.
Ali Mustafa Feb 19, 2013 12:03pm
Even The Quaid e Azam should spritually leave Pakistan; as very soon these terrorists wont even spare him. I have left Pakistan and my heart cries for my people, we dont even have sympathies of our sunni brothers whom I consider my brother and thats something which hurts me even more. We are better of being exlied..
sajjad Feb 19, 2013 12:09pm
I think we should not be afraid of these handful of terrorist and unite among ourselves to eradicate terrorism and militancy from our country. Army is bopth part of problem as well as solution. If it vowed to eradicate terrorism and special military courts be set up to try terrorist, the problem can be addressed. Some countries have bleaker situation than Pakistan, as Itlay, Mexico etc but their institutions came out of slumber and saved their country. No wonder why we cannot do it now. The problem is not only of shia, as if we loose the writ of state our country would become jungle and unliveable for all except small minority. Sajjad.
Cherian (Melbourne) Feb 19, 2013 12:26pm
While commending the appreciation for your homeland India, could you clarify the stament "In india, majority of the muslims are shias". Wikipedia states that Shias constitute 25-30% of Indian muslim population. No hidden agendas, I am an Indian Christian and my interest is purely academic.
Khalid Feb 19, 2013 12:28pm
Please don't say that Zain. I really hope your son has a bright future in Pakistan. We need to do whatever we can to make sure Sunni and Shai live happily together like we did for the around 50 or so years. This is a fairly recent trend that idiots on both sides (Sunnis and Shias) have hijacked Pkaistan and its people. As far as these recent killings are concerned, I am ashamed to be a Sunni, I am shamed to be a Muslim and I am ashamed to be a Pakistani.