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India signs $8.8bn deal to buy 36 French Rafale fighter jets

Updated Sep 24, 2016 08:50am

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NEW DELHI: India signed a formal agreement Friday to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France's Dassault for a reported $8.8 billion, one of its biggest defence deals in decades.

India's Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian signed the agreement at a ceremony in New Delhi after years of tortuous negotiations between the two countries.

Explore: India needs more than Rafale jets to match China: experts

Defence experts say it will bring a much needed boost to India's air force as it tries to renew its dwindling fleet of Russian MiG-21s ─ dubbed “Flying Coffins” because of their poor safety record.

The world's top defence importer has signed several big-ticket deals as part of a $100bn upgrade since India's Hindu nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi took power in 2014.

The increasing assertiveness of its giant neighbour China as well as a simmering rivalry with Pakistan have increased India's need to upgrade its military.

Read more: Indian Air Force faces risk as Pakistan, China modernise: report

Friday's agreement is a major vote of confidence in the Rafale, which had long struggled to find buyers overseas, despite heavy lobbying efforts by the administration of French President Francois Hollande.

It was first mooted in 2012 but faced major delays and obstacles over the last four years.

India entered exclusive negotiations on buying 126 Rafale jets four years ago, but the number of planes was scaled back in talks over the cost and assembly of the planes in India.

Modi announced on a visit to Paris last year that his government had agreed in principle to buy the jets as India looks to modernise its Soviet-era military.

But it continued to be held back by disagreements such as Delhi's insistence that arms makers invest a percentage of the value of any major deal in India, known as the offset clause.

Hollande again pushed the deal on a visit to India in January, when he was Modi's guest for Republic Day celebrations, but officials privately acknowledged that price had become a sticking point.

It is the biggest order for the Rafale after Egypt agreed to buy 24 of the jets in 2015 and Qatar purchased the same amount later that year.

The highly versatile Rafale is currently being used for bombing missions over Syria and Iraq as part of an international campaign against the militant Islamic State group.

It has also been deployed in the past for air strikes in Libya and Afghanistan.

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rahul1 Sep 23, 2016 12:27pm

That's to counter China threat

Anurag Gautam Sep 23, 2016 12:29pm

India should make its own if want to become a superpower.

Lalit Turan Sep 23, 2016 12:31pm

And Hindu nationalist govt managed to get price down to 8.8 BN from 11.3 Bn with extra items such as mateor missiles(which is 5 times better than its competitor)

vivek Sep 23, 2016 12:35pm

and 50% of the money is to be reinvested in India.

Jai Hindu Sep 23, 2016 12:37pm

We need more of these machines...Had congress made these purchases 5 yrs ago, today we would have been in a better position...

Best of Luck Sep 23, 2016 12:40pm

India is also getting 60 F-16 from US. The deal will be materialize soon.

POLO Sep 23, 2016 12:44pm

India progressing very fast in all fronts. It's reality.

Sympathiser Sep 23, 2016 12:43pm

Definitely not against Pakistan... It is a deterence against China only in case.....

Gaurav Sep 23, 2016 12:47pm

Qatar signed for $7.5 billion for 24 planes, Egypt signed for $6 billion for 24 jets, India signed it for $8.8 billion for 36 jets with 50% offset (meaning payment of $4.4 billion only), great !!

IndianSage Sep 23, 2016 12:48pm

Pakistanis shouldn't get worried about this. You are not even in the same league.

Ajay Sep 23, 2016 12:49pm

@Anurag Gautam, I fully agree with you. Right now we are working on 5th Generation fighter with Russia, and on tejas2, but we still will have to heavily invest in R&D.

pakistani Sep 23, 2016 12:49pm

Yes and india is a 'peaceful' country

Syed Hassan Naqvi Sep 23, 2016 12:52pm

What a pity! The country suffering from abject poverty spending billions on defence Pakistan is doing the same. This region with the potential it has should have been the top in the world in terms of development. Wish both India and Pakistan were spending billions of dollars on human development.

Wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

salman Sep 23, 2016 12:53pm

PAF should now force their case for EFT (Euro Fighter). Rafale is indeed a great fighter plane and can counter PAF block 52 F16s easily and even they are not in great number either in our inventory.

natey Sep 23, 2016 12:56pm

8 billion is not many for a big country..they shud have bought like 100 units then thats enough..these are not enough...what important for pak n china is to buy s-400 anti missile from russia..no aircraft in this world can escape from those missile..even america said theyre too good n they cannot make like those missile...

OSD Sep 23, 2016 12:56pm

@Gaurav. Actually, the other countries have a support package for 10 years, but the Modi government reduced that to 5 years to reduce the price and show the public how efficient they are. In reality, after the first 5 years are up, India will have to sign a new maintenance package at a much higher cost. With regards to the offset clause, that has been reduced to 30% and France has been allowed to include the current programs to count for that investment, with the result that no real offset investment will be made.

Indian Sep 23, 2016 12:58pm

I would have happy to spend these money on other things but we don't have any option when we have 2 hostile neighbors.

Good deal for the safety of our country. I hope the efforts we are putting in our life would our country to touch sky one day.

JMasood Sep 23, 2016 12:58pm

Rafale will improve the Indian Airforce strength. Pakistan must focus on developing CPEC, fight against extremism and focus on improving its economy. Engaging in arms race with the much bigger economy such as India is not a wise and sensible strategy.

jiljil baluch Sep 23, 2016 01:01pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi thanks for your concern... once the terrorists are wiped out from this planet ... the investment on weapons will stop... the day is not far... let us hope

Indian Sep 23, 2016 01:01pm

@Anurag Gautam : For this we need to invest more on R&D and better education. You can not get everything in one day. Keep patience and work hard in discipline way for your future. I believe if 30% population can improve their education and jobs and similary people can contribute by paying tax that would be great for our country. Let's put our best on education, healthcare and honesty.

MJS Sep 23, 2016 01:05pm

Moodi must have made huge amount in terms of commission..................after finalizing this deal.

ali Sep 23, 2016 01:06pm

Waster of money and time.

The end is near Sep 23, 2016 01:06pm

Great work India. This progress is the result of PM Modi's continues hard work to bring India forward in all important fields with respect and dignity. PM Modi is a responsible, competent and honest PM who has shown the world the strength and real meaning of democracy. No doubt, India as a fast growing economy of the world has a very promising and bright future. Keep it up.

Suraj Sep 23, 2016 01:11pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Mr. Syed. In India government is addressing the poverty in right direction and we are not sure whether it is happening in Pakistan. It won't happen in day...it is an on going process. HDI is the key focus of India without compromising on National security and interest.

Raj Sep 23, 2016 01:13pm

@jiljil baluch Kudos !

Now I see some sensible peoples here. No one needs any weapons if there are no terrorist. But you have to pest control till it exists.

Sajjad Khan-Sherwani Sep 23, 2016 01:13pm

China thanks India for an ally in case of any conflict pushing against its belly in case of a conflict.

Vg Sep 23, 2016 01:17pm

Good news.

SIKAPHCROT Sep 23, 2016 01:20pm

Yes, it's a stop gap arrangement as a decent 4th Generation plane. Good for now but ultimately India needs to develop its own indigenous 5th Generation fighter.

Art KP Sep 23, 2016 01:21pm

I heard this news yesterday, time to move on. India can never be in same league as China.

Prem Sep 23, 2016 01:23pm

@SYED HASSAN NAQVI .... I think u are studying the same newspaper again. India is no more a country which is below the poverty line.

shakil Sep 23, 2016 01:27pm

A bonanza for France!

Jai Hindu Sep 23, 2016 01:28pm

It would have been of great benefits, if we had it now...

Satt Sep 23, 2016 01:29pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi If there would be abject poverty what do you think this money is coming from? If you won't save the poors from terrorists than how will they come out of poverty.

Mandy Sep 23, 2016 01:31pm

Jai hind...

m singh Sep 23, 2016 01:32pm

Better to buy food for the people sitting on footpaths......

Syed Hassan Naqvi Sep 23, 2016 01:30pm

@jiljil baluch

Patriotism doesnt mean to think my country is always right and your contry is always wrong.

shakil Sep 23, 2016 01:31pm

@Prem 35% of it still is-World Bank

Mandy Sep 23, 2016 01:33pm

With this IAF will add 2 more squadron in its fleet. jai hind.

Lalit K Sep 23, 2016 01:34pm

@pakistani - Peaceful means not allowing others too to disturb the peace !!! Samajhe bachhe !!!

The Truth Sep 23, 2016 01:34pm

@IndianSage Your are right.

WE are way , way above you.

Maxx Sep 23, 2016 01:39pm

It's more about the men than the machines...Check the crash records of IAF, one of the worst in the world.

Truth prevails Sep 23, 2016 01:43pm

@Natey

India has already made advance payment S-400 anti aircraft missile system from Russia. It will be delivered in 2018.

PC Sep 23, 2016 01:44pm

It is not country specific as India's decision never been any country specific. But this deal is need of the hour for India. Good going.

Hyderabadi Sep 23, 2016 01:42pm

The big part is tech transfer and re- investment

Viv - J&k Sep 23, 2016 01:43pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Think normally.. poverty is a concern even in China also, so they shouldn't make any deals ? or withdraw CPEC? We are a multi trillion economy, we are making these deals, bcz we can afford.. we didn't buy when we were in crisis. (like other countries)

Vaibhav singh Sep 23, 2016 01:46pm

Its very good deal i tell you guys why.

1.Chine cant buy Rafale becoz its first term of india that French govt agree!

  1. 36 Rafael delivery with in 4 year asap policy

  2. Its very advance technology that compare to F-35 and sukhoi-35

Frankenstein Sep 23, 2016 01:45pm

where all those Indians who often say improve Education, Health and Poverty.

SB Sep 23, 2016 01:51pm

@Gaurav , Appreciate your interest application of numbers. Now I too conviced , India ultimately benefited through hard negotiation

SB Sep 23, 2016 01:53pm

@Best of Luck , Source please

Neo Sep 23, 2016 01:52pm

36 jets to counter china, must be the joke of 21st century

Ankit Sep 23, 2016 01:52pm

Half will be reinvested in India back.

Girish Chandwani Sep 23, 2016 01:56pm

@JMasood .Fully endorse your views

Kashmiri Sep 23, 2016 01:55pm

@rahul1 India countering China threat with one and a half squadron of Raffaele's? But wait a seco, delivery will take place over 6 yard. And in the meantime IAF is retiring over 200 planes in the next few years? You sure India can match up to Pakistan Air Force, let alone the Chinese

Viv - J&k Sep 23, 2016 01:56pm

@Neo sir, next deal will be F16 ! & Also did our security advisor told you, that we are buying to counter china? Its a norml security deal

Parat Sep 23, 2016 01:56pm

@Best of Luck This is W A R against people, war of words between leaders of INDO-PAK will give chance to arms manufactures to make GOOD PROFITS,

Sutirtha Sep 23, 2016 02:03pm

@natey India already have S400

mohit sharma Sep 23, 2016 02:01pm

I still in favor for peace with open border policy for Trade like European region. Want to buy kurti from Karachi and sell in Delhi :) ..

ashok k. Bhatia Sep 23, 2016 02:02pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Thats what you think. India is five times larger then Pakistan in Population,100 times larger in ecconomy than why not we should buy the best defence equipment with our own hard cash.Who are you to tell us where and how we should spend our money. As war as the poors of India are concerned , we have enough money to take care of them and you don't have to worry about them.

Peace Lover, Australia Sep 23, 2016 02:02pm

Your parents might have told you a story of two fighting cats and a monkey taking away their bread....

Tejaswi Sep 23, 2016 02:05pm

@pakistani : To be peaceful, one has to be powerful..

Shobhit Sep 23, 2016 02:06pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Abject poverty in India and still India's per Capita income is better than yours. What would you call the poverty in Pakistan then ?

Sarfaraz Ah. Sep 23, 2016 02:08pm

@rahul1 Really? What about this then (http://atimes.com/2016/09/india-signs-deal-for-36-french-fighter-jets-to-counter-china-pakistan-squadrons/)

Hyder Sep 23, 2016 02:07pm

Sir

In India over 250 million people do not have a roof on their head, over 150 million children are malnourished due to poor diet, hundreds of millions do not have enough clean water nor healthcare and their government is spending billions on weapons, well done!!!

Hyder Ali(Srinagar) Sep 23, 2016 02:10pm

@mohit sharma. Totally agree with your views

Harmony-1© Sep 23, 2016 02:09pm

@Mohit Sharma - That would be dream come true...peace!

abhishek Sep 23, 2016 02:14pm

@pakistani You are right!

Raunak Sep 23, 2016 02:12pm

@Frankenstein .. We are here only.. National Security is for the Nation's survival.. None can compromise on that.

waseem Sep 23, 2016 02:15pm

First delivery after 3 years, order to be completed in 5.5 years. Jet was introduced in 2011. So effectively India will have all 36 Rafales in 2021. By then it will be 20 years old jet.

waseem Sep 23, 2016 02:15pm

@POLO Buying Jets is not progress !!!!

Sarfaraz Ah. Sep 23, 2016 02:16pm

India has so much of outdated Soviet junk that they cannot depend on them. Out of 250 MiG-21 only 23+ are in the use - even couple of days ago, the Indian MiG-21 crash-landed in Srinagar after the pilot noticed a technical snag in the plane. The tyres of the jet were badly burnt due to the emergency landing but timely action saved the plane (reported by The Times of India).

Sachin Sep 23, 2016 02:14pm

"since India's Hindu nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi took power in 2014..."

Rafale deal is finalized by this government in a remarkable way. But the search began in 2007. Not 'since 2014'. And dont worry its for China not for Pakistan.

Sachin Sep 23, 2016 02:15pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi We are getting 4.4$ billion re investment.

Mohammad S. Khalid Sep 23, 2016 02:17pm

@Vaibhav singh

What is very good in it.

Sachin Sep 23, 2016 02:19pm

@shakil You know how much the combined net worth of Indias top 100 billionaires is? $381 billion. India is a $3 trillion economy. TRILLION. This is just $8 billion

Akram Sep 23, 2016 02:22pm

@POLO "India progressing very fast in all fronts" Except on global healthcare index.

Black Indian Sep 23, 2016 02:25pm

@MJS Mr. Mody is not like ordinary politicians who are interested in money. No one in India think in that way, which includes opposition. He is being criticised on many matters but not on graft.

S K SINGH Sep 23, 2016 02:25pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi completely agree.

POLO Sep 23, 2016 02:32pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Recently Vodafone Group Plc injected $ 7.2 billion in its Vodafone India Unit to expands its network & services in the world's second biggest mobile phone market. It's just an example how India is progressing in all fronts. For Rafale, Once the first set (36) of jets are delivered, a further order will be placed including naval variants. & Dassault will begin jet's manufacturing in India with the transfer of technology as India has done with the Sukhoi-MKI. At least six Rafale squadrons will be set-up under make in India programme.

avi Sep 23, 2016 02:36pm

@natey India already has Russian S300 missile and is discussing to purchase S400 and is also developing AAD missile. just see this article on Dawn::::

http://www.dawn.com/news/1258707

DV Sep 23, 2016 02:39pm

@natey s-400 are Russian made. I know the recent joint military drill and deal of 3 MI helicopter is already cancelled by Russia.

Warshah Sep 23, 2016 02:45pm

@MJS everyone knows about Modi. We don't need cert for his honesty. He is most honest leader in world. He works for 18 hr in a day. no break or off from last 14 years. even during his Videsh Yatra he prefer to sleep in Plain to save $$.

Zak Sep 23, 2016 02:48pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi good thought, unfortunately unfriendly neighbourhood. Wish we had some good friends

Indian Sep 23, 2016 02:57pm

good beginning but still we are way Behind China within next 5-10 we need a similar deal

Robin Sep 23, 2016 02:55pm

This is really stupid. Instead why don't invest this money in the upbringing of the poor and less fortunate Indians. 8.8 Billion is a huge amount and can easily serve millions of Indians who sleep hungry.

Chandra Shekhar Singh Sep 23, 2016 02:57pm

I dont know why people think hippocraticly. USA 3.3% UAE 7.5% Pakistan 7.3% Saudi Arab 13% Russia 5.6% China 2.1% India 2.3% France 2.1% UK 2.2% Why you are questioning India friends. Your expences are more than three times higher.

true minds Sep 23, 2016 02:58pm

Honestly ,earlier i was against such deal,i was thinking it is waste of taxes paid by countrymen.I usually travel throughout India,And can say YES,India is not compromising with overall development of every citizen to infrastructure.So much policies are there that no body can be poor,only awareness about policies required,which is increasing by time, KUDOS INDIA

Farrukh Sep 23, 2016 02:59pm

Buying technology is good but having real people who know how to use these toys effectively is a major deal. PAF in such case has a brilliant past.

Farrukh Sep 23, 2016 02:59pm

@Best of Luck PAF will help IAF to fly them!

Kailash Singh Sep 23, 2016 03:00pm

Pakistan need not worry,it is to counter China.

Akram Sep 23, 2016 03:01pm

@Sachin "India is a $3 trillion economy. TRILLION. This is just $8 billion" Excellent. So how come you perform so dismally on global healthcare index? Almost as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh?

Prabhu Sep 23, 2016 03:00pm

Now US company will make F-16 fighter plane in India now.

Kailash Singh Sep 23, 2016 03:02pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi you are not worried about our poverty at all ,your concerns are totally different.

Gaurav Sharma Sep 23, 2016 03:10pm

@waseem You said" Jet was introduced in 2011. So effectively India will have all 36 Rafales in 2021. By then it will be 20 years old jet."... By subtracting 2021 from 2011, the answer is 10 years and NOT 20 years!!!

nithya Sep 23, 2016 03:08pm

@Art KP we dont need to be in their own league.. india is our own league. we dont feel alone

nithya Sep 23, 2016 03:11pm

@Maxx because you bought american planes until now. and india bought russian planes until now.

now the tables have reversed... we have switched to Dassault and Lockheeds and you are leaning towards Sukhois. Good luck.

Saurabh Sep 23, 2016 03:10pm

@pakistani so what would u say about China then ? It's spending on weapons much bigger ? Or Saudi Arabia? Or even ur own country - spending more than 5% of GDP on Defence while india's is less than 3

nithya Sep 23, 2016 03:13pm

@waseem 2021-2011 =20 years?

anyway, its better than the Migs and Sukhois we have... remember the first f16 is from the 60s. Age is no curse for fighter aircraft. serviceability, operational effectiveness and cost !

nithya Sep 23, 2016 03:13pm

@ali not your problem...

Saurabh Sep 23, 2016 03:13pm

@Art KP and that's because of what?

Feku Sep 23, 2016 03:14pm

@Zak , Afghanistan, Syria , Iraq good friends

kolachi Sep 23, 2016 03:13pm

India should buy more fighter aircrafts and should keep on investing on its defence. Its a huge nation with over 8 million children not able to receive primary education...

Karan Sep 23, 2016 03:14pm

@Best of Luck india is not looking for f-16 rather than this defence sources said our country interested in f-18 super hornets or su-35

Saurabh Sep 23, 2016 03:15pm

@Maxx so why don't u ask ur men to fly biplanes if they r all that matters according to ur logic ?

Warshah Sep 23, 2016 03:15pm

@Farrukh, it was F16, a nice machine. caliber only work if, you got right equipment.

Saurabh Sep 23, 2016 03:17pm

@Peace Lover, Australia no they did not - why don't u enlighten it here and also convey it to all other countries please ...?

Logic Sep 23, 2016 03:18pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi - do you know Indian Oil revenue is more than Pakistan. With that kind of economic power India can afford to invest in defense and security to keep the bugs at arms length. We know Pakistan will follow the same . But we also know its not sustainable. There are no traditional wars now. Just destroy the economy of opponent . Hope you understand what I am saying.

Vectra Sep 23, 2016 03:18pm

Fight as much you can until 2025-2060-2085

Indian-Guy Sep 23, 2016 03:23pm

Modi has lost the plot here. He failed to get even 1/3rd of the original 126. The ToT is just protective coating and landing gear. And Pakistan is gong to have 150+ JF17s pretty soon with BVRS. The Chinese will hardly feel a dent. The French investment in Tejas is quite small but the French put the value at 40% of the contact value which is criminal. Soon this mega-scandal will be investigated and unearthed.

Indian Sep 23, 2016 03:25pm

Geographically Pakistan is located in such an envious location that if it's power centres wish, every Pakistani will be a millionaire. It should think for the world and become a global leader and a robust economy that every country becomes dependent on Pakistan. Eliminate all kind of terrorists. Execute CPEC project fast. Allow Indian transit to Afganistan.Help Iran sell oil to India through Pakistan. Have direct trade with India. Pakistan can be the hub of activities for South and Central Asia. It can even be a bigger economy than Japan or South Korea. An economically robust Pakistan can help other countries also to develop peacefully. Hope to see a developed and peaceful Pakistan.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 03:25pm

@Mandy That's not going to change much

Indian Sep 23, 2016 03:26pm

@kolachi India's defence expenditure is less than Pakistan in terms of percentage of GDP.

Indian Sep 23, 2016 03:29pm

@Akram because India and Pakistan are brotherly nations. We have similar health as we eat oily biriyani, dum alu,paneer masala,mutton kebab,etc.

Indian Sep 23, 2016 03:34pm

@Indian-Guy Are you really Indian guy ? If yes, how are you talking about French investment in Tejas ?

king Sep 23, 2016 03:35pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi india is world 7th largest economy

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 03:36pm

@Vaibhav singh Rafale is a 4th generation aircraft, soon the world will be seeing 5th generation aircraft which are more lethal and effective than rafale.

PAF future planning entails acquisition and development of 5th and 6th generation fighter aircrafts.

DV Sep 23, 2016 03:37pm

@Indian, nice suggestion but, who will listen to you?

Rafat Hussain Sep 23, 2016 03:38pm

Pakistan spends 7.3% on defense and India 2.3%, still we say India is spending enormous amount. But their expenses are thoroughly distributed for other necessities also i.e. education , health, public welfare etc. We should concentrate on our economy.

Kunal Sep 23, 2016 03:37pm

@MJS Modi is a lion who is fighting for the India.

Farrukh Sep 23, 2016 03:39pm

@Warshah MM Alam is still a worst nightmare for many. He did his job with F-86 Sabre a technology redundant at that time. Only PAF compliments technology!

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 03:38pm

@Sutirtha India doesn't have S400. The deal is still being negotiated as the price is very high.

N.Sid Sep 23, 2016 03:46pm

@Rafat Hussain Pakistan spends 3.2% of GDP on her defence and not 7.6% you have mentioned...google search.

Indian Sep 23, 2016 03:48pm

@DV You know its quite possible to execute. Singapore is earning being the shipping transit centre of the world. Tourism and technology are their other areas of earning revenue.

Vikas Sep 23, 2016 03:47pm

@Akram "India progressing very fast in all fronts" Except on global healthcare index.

You are right and we shall make progress on that front swiftly. But if it is of any interest we are better in the ratings than Pakistan.

A Shah Sep 23, 2016 03:50pm

Superpower in the making

Sameer Sep 23, 2016 04:02pm

Kashmir issue needs to be resolved soon, then there will be no more need for Pak to participate in such arms race or minimum deterrance. Our region is focusin on war technologies whereas the people are poverty stricken lacking a normal quality life.

peace for all Sep 23, 2016 04:13pm

SYED HASSAN NAQVI

IN THIS ORDER IT ALSO WILL CREATE JOBS AND PROGRESS FOR INDIA There is an accompanying offset clause through which France will invest 30 per cent of the 7.8 billion Euros in India's military aeronautics-related research programmes and 20 percent into local production of Rafale components.

Gangawasi Sep 23, 2016 04:18pm

Hai Ram! I am weeping over the death of children in Maharashter,death of Kasmiris,Dalit problems and fighting in Assam.Our seths and Sharkar making big money by buying only 36 planes.They are not made of platinum.Common indian dying.

Muthu Sep 23, 2016 04:21pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi power begets peace which is important for poverty reduction

Gangawasi Sep 23, 2016 04:23pm

@A Shah sir With 36 planes against 2000 plus 4.5th generation fighter air craft sir.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 04:27pm

@POLO But rafale is a 4th generation aircraft and the world is moving towards 5th generation aircraft technology.

The PAF future planning envisages acquisition and development of 5th and 6th generation fighter aircrafts.

atif Sep 23, 2016 04:48pm

@Indian , I honor your comment , this is exactly we should do ...only hurdle is Kashmir issue.

Human_only Sep 23, 2016 04:58pm

This is huge wastage of money. Need to spend these amount on human development. Pak india and china all need to work together for peace.

Indian Context Sep 23, 2016 05:18pm

Kindly understand that around 40% of this would be under Made in India project, and this will help create jobs directly and indirectly thereby giving economy a boost, providing employment to hundreds, suppliers and others. So do not just crib on poverty index and other big talks. These steps are taken to remove property step by step.

Last Word Sep 23, 2016 05:26pm

One Rafale is equivalent to two F-16's and four JF-17. The quantity has been reduced but still it is a profitable deal for India which has enhanced its air superiority in the region.

VJ Sep 23, 2016 05:27pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi its our Money...we can spend it the way we want..and we are evolving..I am sure we will overcome our other weaknesses.. but have you ever thought of pakistan..where you are going...

Noddy Sep 23, 2016 05:31pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Was expecting this kind of comment! Sir this is not 1980z just becuase your country is still at same level does not mean other are also at same place Google GDP PPP and compare India, with England Germany, or Canada

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 05:32pm

@DV But Russian troops are already in Pakistan for joint exercises which starts from tomorrow.

Dr.Arshad Sep 23, 2016 05:47pm

@Noddy ......This volume of GDP hasn't afforded the quality of life for every indian that an ordinary Qatari enjoys.Pakistan even can't compete with India (in numbers game) since India has got 400 million people living in abject poverty.

S. A. M. Sep 23, 2016 06:07pm

without going into india and Pakistan sentiments ok would just state my sincere wish that all warfare equipments and materials may never ever get used and may just end up in the junkyard Ameen.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 06:11pm

@Last Word It will be six years before you get all the rafale aircrafts which is a 4th generation aircraft, meanwhile the world is moving towards 5th generation aircraft technology which is more lethal, advanced and effective than rafale aircraft.

The PAF on its part has in future planning the acquisition and development of 5th and 6th generation aircrafts to fulfill its requirements.

techscribe Sep 23, 2016 06:15pm

@Gangawasi Sir, you are a leftist. just wake up and adapt to the changing world.

Maju Sep 23, 2016 06:28pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi our povery is less than you and our problem we r working on a that with largest growth rate. It will take some more time to eradicate. And what about u the only country in South asia that poverty is increasing is ur country .lern facts.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 06:29pm

@S. A. M. I fully agree with you!

Gangawasi Sep 23, 2016 06:32pm

@techscribe No sir, I love my deshwasis.I can not see them dying helplessly and in misery when our seths and politicians get commission from these deals sir. If I speak for my deshwasis you can call me leftist sir.

Yousuf Sep 23, 2016 06:33pm

China economy is $11.3 trillion. While Indian economy is $2.3 trillion. While per capita income of China is $8,200 and of India is $1,800. There is no threat coming from China to India. China has always been peaceful until US interference in recent times. India needs to invest this money on other important places rather than on matching the might of China. India need to be sensible rather than come in the drags of Westerns powers.

A Ali Sep 23, 2016 06:46pm

@rahul1 - you are answered promptly by Anurag Gautam ....

you are buying jets from others, though you were seeking ( desperately ) UNSC permanent seat few months back.... either you make your own jets else stop proclaiming as super power...

indian Sep 23, 2016 06:49pm

@OSD In any case the relevance of piloted planes may be less after 5 years. And in the mean time India will develop its own fighter. Not a bad idea at all.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 06:50pm

@Gaurav Sharma Do some research yourself and see when the rafale aircraft was introduced. It was introduced in 2001, although it first flew in 1986.

By the time IAF receives all the rafale aircrafts ordered, it will be more than 20 years old.

Daniel Sep 23, 2016 06:58pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Shouldn't you talk after seeing your own country's sad ratio of defense spends and poverty? I guess you shouldn't shot from a glass hut, my friend.

Raunak Sep 23, 2016 07:00pm

@Jamil .. If rafale is 20 years old, how old would be F16s ??

M.Jamal Sep 23, 2016 07:18pm

Atleast 250 million poor Indians living under poverty lines would have got US $35.2 each or say Ind Rs 633.6 each to provide them food and malnutrition for atleast 60 days.What a waste of money.

Dr.Arshad Sep 23, 2016 07:21pm

@Raunak Good point. Now for your clarification though F16 is older than Rafale but it is: 1.battled hardened and proven 2. has evolved from AB to CD blocks3.has been a hot cake for all quality conscious air forces and still is(20+ air forces) Rafale on the other hand is struggling to find customers and has managed to attract only 4 customers after 20+ years of intense lobbying and marketing.

Sam Sep 23, 2016 07:24pm

@pakistani Yes, and this is how peace is maintained.

Naveed Sep 23, 2016 07:26pm

@salman it will be plain unwise to compete in the toys. We should focus and invest in education, health and infrastructure. Having such heavy machines for defence is so 90s.

Askari Sep 23, 2016 07:37pm

Buy S-300 from Russia. They are very effective on this type of fighter jets

Warlol Sep 23, 2016 07:38pm

36 planes for $ 8.8 bn. Congrats France!

Indian Sep 23, 2016 07:38pm

@Art KP : Yes you are correct, right now we are far behind China but believe me we are putting our best efforts to improve our current situation. You would be able to see if you visit India in recent times. Lot of work is going on on infrastructure and education etc by the government and almost all the state governments in India are competing with each other on development and investments. Please give us some 10 years you would see that gap between India and China will be slowly filled.

Mustafa Loroq Sep 23, 2016 07:40pm

@Jamil : littul bit agree; but pak already working 8th gen fighter and nuqular supmarine with anti tank mizzile; wil be rady in 2019.

Indian-Guy Sep 23, 2016 07:38pm

@Indian Please find the details. I don't want to discuss more here.

Sudhakar USA Sep 23, 2016 07:41pm

@Dr.Arshad : Try to understand the underlying aspects of this deal. This $8.8 B is just a lollypop. The actual interest for India is to get the TOT.

hamza khan Sep 23, 2016 07:41pm

this upsets the balance of power..and i do expect pakistan to make efforts to secure a 4.5 gen fighter soon..

Indian Sep 23, 2016 07:43pm

@Akram : because of huge population.

Gaurav Sep 23, 2016 07:45pm

@Akram So why pakistani people for liver disease come to India

tahir Sep 23, 2016 07:46pm

@IndianSage You should stop obsessing over us if we are not in the same league.

Indian Sep 23, 2016 07:47pm

@Jamil : so what India is working with Russia on 5th generation fighter aircraft and planning to work itself also.

Dr.Arshad Sep 23, 2016 07:48pm

@Askari .... We already have their chinese versions (fm90) and (LY80)fully deployed and operationalized

Dr.Arshad Sep 23, 2016 07:50pm

@Warlol Yes they are clever lot.Managed to attract their fourth customer for a "struggler"!

Mike London Sep 23, 2016 07:50pm

That sure is a big deal.

ENGR OSMAN Sep 23, 2016 07:59pm

What a waste... drones are better!

Dr.Arshad Sep 23, 2016 08:00pm

@Sudhakar USA ...Don't come under the spell of politicians and bureaucrats'mantra. A nation that can send unmanned vehicles to Moon and Mars ,doesn't need this 20 years old machine's TOT.

Abhishek Sep 23, 2016 08:01pm

Jai Hind

Shiraz Sep 23, 2016 08:06pm

That's excellent news for the French... many congratulations!!... I hope we don't indulge in these unnecessary expenditure and focus all our resources towards betterment of the common people. Long live Pakistan!

Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Sep 23, 2016 08:10pm

What a buy for a country whose more than 80 percent population is forced to live below poverty line by its inept, eccentric, unilateral, self-centered and self-serving leadership. What a silly joke?

Mian Shoaib Sep 23, 2016 08:16pm

@Vaibhav singh

This was advance technology 4-5 years back

Dr.Arshad Sep 23, 2016 08:17pm

@hamza khan ....pakistan posesses F16 C/D blocks,Fj17 block 2 and soon to be delivered 36 J11B aircraft,all 4.5 generation aircraft.Pakistani engineers have even upgraded ageing Mirages 3 and 5 under ROSE project. I remember one of my french colleague here in SLC,Utah, heaping praises on Pakistani engineers' ingenuity.

Mahesh Sep 23, 2016 08:26pm

@pakistani Settle Kashmir issue as per the Musharraf formula and bring peace to the sub-continent. Can Pakistan Prime Minister make a unilateral announcement in the UN offering the Musharraf formula to India? If India is reluctant, the world will come to know.

indian Sep 23, 2016 08:29pm

@waseem learn basic math first.

sachinss Sep 23, 2016 08:30pm

@Hyder Since you know somuch details of India. Ppls tell us poverty in Pak too.

Muhammad Riyaz Sep 23, 2016 08:41pm

Waste of money. No matter what India gets, it can not counter China. Pakistan a close Chinese ally and now in the offing to become a strategic partner of Russia will have state of the art planes and other war machines in near future.

abx Sep 23, 2016 08:46pm

This modi government is incompetent and will drive india to the gtound.bting it on

alok Sep 23, 2016 08:51pm

@Syed Hassan Naqvi I tell you what India is not spending but they have to share the manufacturing input which further help India to build their own. India will manufacture and sell it to other country which all other buyers cannot do as they don`t have infrastructure and researchers of that level. India is already selling defence weapons to many country.

KJ Sep 23, 2016 08:53pm

@MJS : "Moodi must have made huge amount in terms of commission..................after finalizing this deal."

I am afraid that is how much you understand PM Modi... Ask any Indian if they think PM Modi is corrupt. Not even his (sensible) enemies will try to charge him with corruption.

Ali Asgar Sep 23, 2016 08:52pm

@Hyder do you have visited India?

Beleiver Sep 23, 2016 08:54pm

@Anurag Gautam Tejas have joined the Indian airforce !!

Muhammad Riyaz Sep 23, 2016 08:59pm

http://www.dawn.com/news/1206088/pak-russia-talks-on-delivery-of-su-35-mi-35s-underway-russian-deputy-fm

Dave Sep 23, 2016 09:06pm

@Akram Healthcare Index is under works. Anything else?

Santosh Sep 23, 2016 09:20pm

@KJ How do you know he is not corrupt? Am sure somebody in the government must have made money on this deal...

xyz-Indian Sep 23, 2016 09:28pm

India creating jobs for Europeans.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 09:51pm

@Raunak F16s in the coming years will be replaced by 5th generation aircrafts, while India is planning to induct a 4th generation aircraft after six years.

Jamil Sep 23, 2016 09:59pm

@Indian Well I was only trying to apprise you that Pakistan is well aware of indian buying spree of weapons from every nook and corner of the world; and have taken appropriate measures to tackle them.

kui kui bird Sep 23, 2016 10:02pm

Pls note we are paying and not taking AID form any country

ha ha ha

naveen Sep 23, 2016 10:05pm

@Yousuf

Same applies to Pakistan also

Wazir Sep 23, 2016 10:06pm

All this when 2 South Indian states are fighting for river water

gabbar Sep 23, 2016 10:10pm

Fools! on both sides.

Europeans and Americans cashing in on this animosity between brown people in the subcontinent and the mid east.

What a crying shame- nothing to be proud of.

The West must be laughing at us.

Kris WA Sep 23, 2016 10:35pm

@Gaurav

also with with 100% Technology Transfer.

awais aziz Sep 23, 2016 10:37pm

Since this will never be enough to intimidate China or Pakistan for that matter, it would have been great if that money had been put to better use like feeding the poor.

SG Sep 23, 2016 10:47pm

Wow! Rafael with Brahmos! It can strike target 300 km from 5.5km altitude! You don't have to cross LoC or IB. Just spot terror camps from satellite images. Sufficient.

Kamlesh Gautam Sep 23, 2016 10:52pm

@salman Eurofighter Typhoon is also good plane a real challanger to Rafale but it's joint venture of 4 European nation ,very hard deal to negotiate ,maintainance and supply of spares

Rajesh Sep 23, 2016 11:02pm

@MJS There is no corruption at the high level in India under Modi regime.

This is the level of confidence Indians have in this government.

Tamil Guru Sep 23, 2016 11:13pm

These Rafale jets are for the bigger picture only. Small neighbors like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar need not worry.

Raj Sep 23, 2016 11:37pm

Buy another 50 rafal and 100 latest sukhoi... Thn China is down

secular india Sep 23, 2016 11:42pm

India has done the right in singing the deal....its not only the aircraft but the technology, upgraded weapons and hi tech sensor and spare part for India ...

M.Jamal Sep 24, 2016 12:06am

Waste of hard earned Indian's money.Indians claimed to be intelligent and politically awaked but it seem under war mongers some one will make big commission and poor Indians have to pay.

Sid Sep 24, 2016 12:32am

@Kashmiri You forgot sukhois, jags, LCAs and mirages.

aslam shaikh1 Sep 24, 2016 12:33am

In 1965 we had one M. M. Alam now we have 10. Keep rafales safely locked up because these 10 billion dollars could go up in smoke less than 10 minutes.

Sid Sep 24, 2016 12:38am

@Hyder We can afford. This is a giant economy only getting bigger!

aslam shaikh1 Sep 24, 2016 12:40am

Pakistan will develop missiles at 1/10th cost and all such planes will be useless.

Faisal Sep 24, 2016 12:43am

India is afraid of Pakistan or they would have spend this money on their food problem

Dev Sep 24, 2016 12:53am

@Raj India is working with Russia for at least 200 T 50 .

Dharmam chara Sep 24, 2016 01:12am

Just like all out overt war is not possible between these two counties total peace is also not possible. Too much historical burden! What is possible is managing people's expectations and developing a bipartisan crisis management system. both countries need to sit down and come to agreement on the process to follow when crisis situations like this arise.

Erdogan Sep 24, 2016 01:16am

How is it going to be reinvested back into india when it's getting made in France.

Erdogan Sep 24, 2016 01:19am

13 billion dollars was initially the price for 126 planes and they end up buying 36 for 9 billion. Bargain huh

Gagan Sep 24, 2016 01:23am

@natey nothing against pakistan just for your information India is in final stage to close the deal with Russia for S-400 missile system.

naqeeb Sep 24, 2016 02:02am

credit goes to USA, who started arm race among China,India,Pakistan and Russia

M.Jamal Sep 24, 2016 02:53am

Biggest deal in decades.Who is becoming fool?Really are they.

Ayesha Sep 24, 2016 03:21am

@IndianSage India aND pak ARE in the same league when it comes to healthcare, poverty and hunger.

Malik Sep 24, 2016 04:31am

@Dr.Arshad hope it will work!!!

ahmed Sep 24, 2016 04:49am

And here comes Sukhoi Su-35 in our basket :-)

NASR Sep 24, 2016 06:21am

No wonder the French government were all over Modi flattering him for this deal.

Krishna Sep 24, 2016 08:10am

@Anurag Gautam Tejas is in that direction.

fact Sep 24, 2016 08:18am

@Akram ... so why most of the pakistani go to India for better healthcare.

Balaji Sep 24, 2016 08:23am

Neighbour's envy,owners pride.

Fazal Karim Sep 24, 2016 08:30am

If there is no war, money spent will be wasted. Could this money not be spent on the welfare of poor

Pushpendra Patwal Sep 24, 2016 03:07pm

@salman I think block 52 F16s can be tackled by SU30 MKI , Rafale is just to get collaboration of France. You see Tejas is based on Miraj-2000 French design.

khan Sep 24, 2016 03:39pm

So easy to a trillion dollars economy. 50 f16 will be coming soon I heard.

Battleaxe Sep 24, 2016 06:04pm

Read print carefully , earlier 126 were coming with normal wepons package as with mirage 2000 but now there is metor BVRM and brimstone missiles along with paveway missiles in the package so one plane with 12 metors with standoff rang of 120 km can dominated a very big area from an high altitude air to air combat , brimstone and pave way are highly accurate anti tank and anti runway missiles so , one plane can do the job of many , force multiplier this called less numbers but more lethality .the deal is a winner on wepons package , huge amount of it will come with these planes , forget China now .

Mukul Sep 24, 2016 06:45pm

@Battleaxe
good analysis

Mukul Sep 24, 2016 06:51pm

@Jamil Future planning will see what we will see we are not talking about pie in the sky story but what has already been accomplished

Battleaxe Sep 24, 2016 07:41pm

@Pushpendra Patwal ,, LCH is a half baked product needing finishing which french won't do , it's software integration has failed , it can fly but it's unable to get into war mode so it's a very basic glitch that is now being rectified with help of SAAB as it selling it's technology for a good price as it too has sourced it from euro fighter typhoon, software is the key element in 4 + fighter that can't be developed overnight nor can be integrated , russian software was tried but failed, then israli too failed so now SAAB .

Abdullah danish Sep 24, 2016 07:58pm

@rahul1 no its will replace mig 21 and mig 27 and is ordered to counter Pakistan threat. BASICALLY IAF has problems in getting home made Tejas while PAKISTAN is getting more and more jf 17 thunders. SU 30 MKI fighter is for China threat

Abdullah danish Sep 24, 2016 08:00pm

@Sympathiser comment only if you know

Abdullah danish Sep 24, 2016 08:05pm

@Gaurav
NO one is buying this germ.TEN countries rejected it including South Korea , Australia, Brazil and many more. France has to sale it at cheap prices to made money.

Abdullah danish Sep 24, 2016 08:06pm

@JMasood what you mean by extremism.

Abdullah danish Sep 24, 2016 08:07pm

@Mandy no it has to retire 132 mig 21 and 120 mig 27

prince sheikh Sep 24, 2016 08:39pm

@natey when does russia start selling s400 to pakistan...woow. india and china are close allys of russia not pakistan. learn ur facts.

kamal Sep 24, 2016 09:06pm

@Gaurav its nothing, wait for Putin to come to India.Russian can not get western tech, west can not get Russian tech but India can get both.

Gaurav Sep 24, 2016 09:34pm

Lets assume 60000 crores, atleast 12 crores are rich/middle class in India, hence Rs 5000 per person one time, its not that costly

STARZAN Sep 24, 2016 11:09pm

@Erdogan. Bargain "Deal Of The Century"!!! For whom? 36 French Rafales FJs @ $250,000,000 ($250-million +- avg.) each = $9,000,000,000 ($9-billion). Previously, the Deal was for: 126 French Rafale FJs @ $103,175,000 ($103+million + avg.) each = $13,000,000,000 ($13-billion). Looks like Bharati NaMo & all his ministers are getting huge kickback commissions as piece of the action. Bharat, if it gets lucky, may be able to procure the more agile, with competitive features, fighter jet aircrafts from Pakistan. 100 JF17-C/D @ $90,000,000 each ($90 million avg.) = $9,000,000,000 ($9 billions). The Bharati TEJA & others may take another decade or 2 to be flight worthy. PEACE & PROSPERITY!

Raja Hindustani Sep 24, 2016 11:16pm

@ahmed : And here comes Sukhoi Su-35 in our basket :-)

It will cost you sir. Russia will not give that fighter on discounted (read Aid) price like US.

Awaz Sep 25, 2016 01:11am

@hamza khan Pakistan is suppose to buy 126 SU35 from Russia in all cash deal worth 9.8 Billion Dollars .Putin have promised visit at the conclusion of this deal to consolidate close military relation between 2 states. Deliveries will start in 2019 and completed in 2023.

Altaf Ahemed Ansari Sep 25, 2016 11:30am

@Syed Hassan Naqvi Very well said Bro

Altaf Ahemed Ansari Sep 25, 2016 11:35am

@MJS Sorry bro. The commission government has been pushed out. Modi has no track record of such deals. He is working for the Nation.

nasir siddique Sep 25, 2016 11:59am

Well done. This will help french economy, maintain jobs and allow hundreds of french families enjoy a nice life. On the other hand no one knows how many indian children will die from malnutrition and disease simple because they do not have proper food, medical facilities and even a roof on their heads.