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ISLAMABAD: In response to reports the US Congress is withholding 60 per cent of the aid earmarked for subsidising Pakistan's purchase of eight F-16 fighter jets, a Pakistani official has said “negotiations aren’t over yet”.

Tariq Fatemi, the Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs, told BBC Radio in an interview that bringing Congress around to the deal is the Obama administration’s job.

According to a BBC report published on its Hindi and Urdu services, a State Department official told the BBC on the condition of anonymity that Congress will not subsidise the sale of eight F-16 jets to Pakistan at the advice of Senator Bob Corker, chair of the Senate Committee for Foreign Relations.

As per the earlier arrangement, Pakistan would have paid $270 million while the US would grant the remaining $430 million for the purchase. As a result of this move, Pakistan may have to foot the bill of $700 million for the eight fighter jets.

“There is a strong opposition to provide subsidised arms to other countries in the US Congress, but the Obama administration’s offer of military aid to Pakistan still stands,” Fatemi told BBC Radio.

“Pakistan has already rendered great services in the war against terror, so its case is strong.”

Fatemi expressed he is hopeful Pakistan will receive the military aid, and revealed the Pakistan mission in Washington is currently in talks with members of Congress to raise awareness of Islamabad’s views on the matter.

“America understands how important a role these eight F-16s can play in the fight against terror, which is why the request was made in the first place.”

The adviser also mentioned that Pakistan has spent $2 billion in the last two years fighting against terrorism.

’Working against us’

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif during a National Assembly briefing in January said that a deal with the United States for the procurement of eight F-16 fighter jets is facing delays due to "some lobbyists working against us there".

He said an Indian lobby, as well as Pakistan's former ambassador to the US, Hussain Haqqani, are "working against us" and had approached the US House of Representatives to lobby against the sale.

"Some lobbyists there are working against us. They have approached the House of Representatives. The Indian lobby is there too and the former envoy to the US from the PPP government is also working against us, saying that these F-16s should not be given to us."

The $742 million earmarked for American military aid to Pakistan in the 2016-2017 budget has also been put on hold, but may be released if Congress changes its mind, the State Department official had told BBC anonymouslyi, adding that the Obama administration is working with Congress in this regard.

The F-16 sale faced stiff resistance in the US Congress earlier this year, when lawmakers moved resolutions both in the House and the Senate, seeking to block the sale.

The US Senate in March blocked a bid to derail the sale, but Corker had vowed to block the use of US funds to finance the deal.

Corker and other lawmakers have expressed concern about Pakistan’s nuclear programme, commitment to fighting terrorism and cooperation in the Afghanistan peace process.

The State Department, however, maintained that the sale of eight F-16s to Pakistan would assist counter- terrorism and counter-insurgency operations.

Comments (124) Closed

Harmony-1© Apr 30, 2016 05:21pm

Correct, but strong Jewish lobby will keep trying in making India happy!

Sahil Apr 30, 2016 05:22pm

F-16 is better than 5th generation Jk17.

Awan Apr 30, 2016 05:31pm

Why making a fuss on this 4th generation fighter.? PAF should focus on 5th generation fighters from now on. India is acquiring S-300 and S-400 Systems and our 4th generation fighter jets will be sitting ducks for them. We should focus on stealth (both active and passive). Kindly focus on Local R&D. Employ the local talent. Progress with the JF-17 project. I am sure with proper investment and focus we can develop our own 5th gen fighter in 5-10 years time. Our focus should be develop a long term plan where our indigenous jets should compete with F-22 raptors, Euro typhoon, SU-35, Saab, Rafael, Mirage 2000 etc. Believe on your own self and stop begging for technologies.

Truthful Apr 30, 2016 05:32pm

Such a shame. Seems like we are begging in front of US for these 8 planes. Rather it should be US giving us these planes than we asking for them repeatedly. Make clear to them that it was their fight which we got embroilled in. No one attacked pakistan from this region prior to 9/11 but it was US where the attacks took place. The message should be loud and clear. We need to come out of this phobia to angry Us. Although i dont see this happening, let imran khan be the foreign minister and then we may see such statements.

Indian Wolfie Apr 30, 2016 05:34pm

Pakistan should pay for what they want to buy F-16 from America as they have the money.

Xyz Apr 30, 2016 05:37pm

Just buy it why at the first place Pakistan need aid. It is affecting Pakistan's image globally. and 742 million is no big deal nations like investing more than that in lobbying.

Zahid Malik Apr 30, 2016 05:41pm

Its just 8 planes, why we are dying to get these plane. 700millioin just for 8 plane ,lets just don't but it. Use this money to buy other planes from Russia.

Zak Apr 30, 2016 05:51pm

We need to introspect why an ally like US that backed us against India in 1965 and sent its Navy into Indian waters in 1971 is now having trouble supporting us. Not that it really matters but it would be nice to have US in our corner in addition to China.

Zak Apr 30, 2016 05:53pm

National security is most important. Pay the full cost as there is no need to take favours and handouts. It is not difficult for a nation of 182 million people to find $700 million. Nation first.

Zak Apr 30, 2016 05:56pm

@Zahid Malik Or we could use the money to R&D and develop our own planes and stop relying on foreign powers for such planes. India did the same with supercomputer technology in 1980s when the US denied the Cray supercomputers to them so we can too. Already have the JF-17 so we should expand on that technology.

Changez_Khan Apr 30, 2016 05:57pm

"some lobbyists working against us there".

Exactly and these lobbyists are Indians. Senator Bob Corker is always surrounded by Indian lobbyists.

If Pakistan is smart they should abandon the whole deal and purchase jets from China.

Rohit Apr 30, 2016 05:59pm

There seems to be some confusion as to why Pakistan is simply not buying planes from other countries....

The long and short of it is that a plane with a life span of 20+ yrs needs a accompanying platform to remain operational....more than the shelf cost its the running cost that escalates if the plane is not familiar with the AF as is the case with PAF and other manufacturers.....

In short PAF would prefer to induct US made planes for operational reasons, to keep running cost low and lastly for familiarity and ease of maintenance.....

moazze Apr 30, 2016 05:58pm

Self sufficiency will only solve problems and dependency or excuses simply make it worse

Skeptic Apr 30, 2016 06:04pm

Why is this government wasting time and energy trying to chase a handful of outdated jets is beyond logic!

Time to move on. Lessons learned - diversify your sources.

Tech GS Apr 30, 2016 06:03pm

Pakistan can easily get out of this ugly situation. Just keep cool. Remove the root causes. This will remove the need of having F16. Improve relations with India. If there is no enemy, there is no need for such things.

Omar Apr 30, 2016 06:05pm

Why do we need these extra 8 when we already have a few dozen.Besides that money should be invested in quality education.

Mahmood Apr 30, 2016 06:05pm

Groveling, begging and pleading for 20-year-old models? Makes no sense!

Abhishek Apr 30, 2016 06:06pm

im really surprised that Pakistan's friend China is not helping for lobbying in USA to clinch the deal.

Rashid Sultan Apr 30, 2016 06:06pm

@Zak But the congress in the US does not want Obama's administration to sell the planes to Pakistan. What bit of the US Congress's posture don't you understand?

Kevin Apr 30, 2016 06:06pm

Where is the money? Total defence budget of Pakistan is 7.6Bn $, out of which 5.2 Bn goes for salaries of its defence personnel. Talking big is good but have an eye on reality.

ABDUL WAHID Apr 30, 2016 06:13pm

Ever heard of lobbying? The same congress that invited PM Modi in the same week to speak by the way.

tough talks Apr 30, 2016 06:24pm

Those who say pak should buy French Rafael or Russian Sukhoi do not have even the slightest idea about International Relations and how things work.

changez_khan Apr 30, 2016 06:31pm

He said an Indian lobby, as well as Pakistan's former ambassador to the US, Hussain Haqqani, are "working against us" and had approached the US House of Representatives to lobby against the sale.

Hussain Haqqani should be deported to Pakistan and he should face charges of high treason.

Vinay Kapoor Apr 30, 2016 06:44pm

Can someone explain me why pak needs more F-16's to fight terror. They already have around 80 F-16's, Someone give some logical answer.

Raj Apr 30, 2016 06:46pm

Hi, US congress has blocked the financial assistance to Pakistan, Not to Fighter jet deal with Pakistan. if you have money then you have make any deal with any country and take more fighter jet plane.

Junaid Tariq Apr 30, 2016 06:47pm

Why so huge amount for a few jets? Why not spend on health and education? Many of our friends raise the priority issue while criticising metro and orange train etc. Why not now ?

Vectra Apr 30, 2016 06:54pm

@Awan "Progress with the JF-17 project. I am sure with proper investment and focus we can develop our own 5th gen fighter in 5-10 years time. "

Without a full aeronautical base including universities and educational research based institutions and also with no technology to build anything from scratch(ckd kits are not considered as ones own or indigenous) how can you think you can develop your own 5th gen fighter in 5-10 years time???

Guest Apr 30, 2016 06:54pm

@changez_khan . Who do you think will agree to deport. There are many in Pakistan who face charges but never seriously prosecuted or punished.

Kalashnikov Apr 30, 2016 06:57pm

@Xyz its 740 million USD not PKR

DD Apr 30, 2016 06:59pm

No American dependency. No F 16's please. China is the way to go!

Puthomadre, karachi Apr 30, 2016 07:00pm

We should buy it from India which is going to manufacture F16 s shortly.

R.K.Mohindra Apr 30, 2016 07:01pm

Just make your own fighter jets. It's time not to look to China or Russia. Be self reliant

iftikhar saeed Apr 30, 2016 07:01pm

Sorry to say that this career diplomat named Tariq Fatima does not know that in the USA it is lobbying that works. Pakistan does not have any lobby in the US Congress. We should focus on developing our lobby in the Congress

iftikhar saeed Apr 30, 2016 07:03pm

@Zak US never supported us in 1965 and never sent its navy in 1971

Vectra Apr 30, 2016 07:03pm

@Rohit "There seems to be some confusion as to why Pakistan is simply not buying planes from other countries"

This is more to do with both financial and technical.On financial every one knows i have nothing to add to it but on technical part the other Western and Russian planes and especially the twin engine one are technically more difficult to operate as the pilot need to have sufficient technical and engineering knowledge on various internal working of components,software,response in emergency etc etc.This is one of the reason apart from financial that PAF was not willing to go away from F-16 with whose technology they are perfectly acquainted and trained.

Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali Apr 30, 2016 07:09pm

This is a failure case of our foreign policy and a direct result of incompetent staff. At the same time India's lobby was working day & night while our guys were sleeping on switch. Look around and one can easily find the answer. Once Pakistan being a favorite nation and India was not so liked in US administration has reversed the US policy.

Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali Apr 30, 2016 07:11pm

Pakistan being a country without Foreign Minister and good and alert diplomat can not represent their country in effective manner. Where are the intelligent ones in PML N who can put some sense in their leader's head.

Pashtunyar Apr 30, 2016 07:13pm

@Vinay Kapoor Good point..

Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali Apr 30, 2016 07:14pm

A country can not be well run overseas when a PM has to read his notes from a small spiral note book and has trouble reading properly.

JFK Apr 30, 2016 07:16pm

Financially a bad decision! These planes are not worth more than $30million a piece. When Pakistan is already offering more than a fair amount by giving $270 million, why should we accept a supposed handout attached with it.

Kabul Apr 30, 2016 07:16pm

@Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali lobbying has its limits....inherent strength of countrys economy and its institution are prime factors...Lobbying is secondary thing....

fahd Apr 30, 2016 07:27pm

@Vinay Kapoor can you explain why india is buying rafale when IAF already has about 800 cobat jets to fight "NO BODY"?

Rajeev Apr 30, 2016 07:32pm

Let's be honest... Points are 1) more than plane, now it is matter of image and self respect of country.... 2) if I was in power I would invest same amount on kids education and eradicate terrorism.

Diplomat Apr 30, 2016 07:33pm

WOW, it seems few Indian lobbyist and an individual ex ambassador of Pakistan are more powerful than entire Pakistani government and army, representing 180 million Pakistanis, when it comes to convince US government. Or may be they are more smarter.

AKKS Apr 30, 2016 07:39pm

@Kabul, You said it!

aditya Apr 30, 2016 07:44pm

Well, Tejas is on sale.

Qamar Apr 30, 2016 07:57pm

So, Mr. Fatmi what is your job?? Aren't you supposed to be proactive so the situation should not have been created where US Congress stops the deal?? What is the foreign ministry for?? Aren't you supposed to present Pakistan's case to foreign politicians and law makers so they support Pakistan's fight against terrorism?

What can we expect from a government that does not have a foreign minister; just two old guards that pretend to be running the foreign policy. Pathetic state of affairs!!!!!

Muhammad Usman Apr 30, 2016 08:06pm

Events like blockade are eye opener for us. We as Nation should start hard working and making innovations in science and technology. No need to beg for 70's era plane. Make improvements in home grown technology. Money spend on these jets if spend on education in schools and universities no wonder we can progress forward.

M. K Apr 30, 2016 08:18pm

If Pakistan shows a little less interest in the planes, the US will come around. They need the business too. Play it cool!

Akshay Apr 30, 2016 08:28pm

@fahd Because Pakistan is not the only neighbour of India. There is the real threat that is China.

Zeeshan Apr 30, 2016 08:31pm

This is right time to move forward. So many countries are offering, so many fighter jet. This will teach American. Even processes of acquiring is too long from them.

Abdulla Hussain Apr 30, 2016 08:47pm

The leaders of a country are basically the guardian of respect of that country regretfully the political leaders of Pakistan acts as orphans of Pakistan. When they don't care about their & their families respect how can they command respect for Pakistan. There is a principal, corrupts can only shout but don't have the ability to speak loud & clear. As for the policy of US, honestly speaking they are pushing their long time friends far away, policy failure.

A Tamil Guru Apr 30, 2016 08:47pm

@Muhammad Usman :-> Well said Sir, Pakistan govt needs to invest in opening schools for its children who do not attend school. Please invest in books, buildings, food, clothing etc to get all kids enrolled in school. The future of any country depends on its children and the education they receive.

For the past 25 yrs, all political parties that have ruled in my home state of Tamil Nadu in South India have had the vision to provide free books, free mid day lunches, free toothpaste, free footwear and even free bicycles to poor children. There is even a state law that goes after parents who do not send their kids to school. It is one of the top literate states today with over 90% literacy.

Where there is a will, there is a way. I sincerely wish the leaders of Pakistan would invest in more schools and hospitals instead of fighter jets.

Awan Apr 30, 2016 08:48pm

@Vectra I do not know what you are talking about. I am pretty sure you belong from our neighboring country and just want to point score by witty remarks. Visit Kamra and Risalpur ( KP) and see from your own eyes. We have proper universities and we have good infrastructure as well. Aeronautical complex Kamra has enough infrastructure. PAF academy Risalpur is a specialized university in this regard. Along with it Ist Islamabad is focusing on it as well ( Aeronautic design especially). We have proper wind tunnel systems, design experts and anachoic chambers ( For Radar testing). We just an upgrade and we will already be there. Do you know Pakistan already make 3rd generation radar systems ( For F7 PG) and avionics?. So the technology is already there but we need more focus and research for the future.

Indian Apr 30, 2016 08:49pm

@Fahd, India needs these jets to protect itself from rogue neighbours and not for combating terrorism. but Pakistan looking for these 8 jets for combating terrorism when they already having 80 jets in inventory.

Zak Apr 30, 2016 09:04pm

@Rashid Sultan The congress in US has blocked subsidy not the sale of planes. Get your facts straight. What bit of this news article did you not understand?

Zak Apr 30, 2016 09:07pm

@iftikhar saeed Denying facts will not change them. Read up. 1971 was a primary cause of India-USA relationship problems for decades. Well known historical fact. If we want to be strong then we cannot be afraid of truth.

Om Apr 30, 2016 09:10pm

Pakistan can still get the planes @700M. Obama doesn't like freeloaders nor does the American Congress. The ball is in Pakistan's court. Take it or leave it.

Canada For Canadians Apr 30, 2016 09:12pm

Pakistan loves F16s , so buy them with own money, why beg America. India will produce F16s within 5 years with US technology transfer under US-India Defense Agreement. Unfortunately today's F16 will be in junk yard within 10-15 years time.

Zakuta Apr 30, 2016 09:23pm

Time for self reliance

Love Cricket Apr 30, 2016 09:37pm

Now Pak will look for China or Saudi for 700 million $

Sunil Mehta Apr 30, 2016 09:39pm

@Awan You said, "India is acquiring S-300 and S-400 Systems and our 4th generation fighter jets will be sitting ducks for them."

So this acquisition IS to to be used against India!

This was not the reason that had been quoted before. These aircraft were meant to be used to fight terrorists.

What's the real reason that these aricraft are needed? Is it because it's a cheap way to get F-16's to fight India while the U.S. subsidizes your purchase? Just like the old days.

Vijay Apr 30, 2016 09:43pm

@Changez_Khan Is anybody stopping Pakistan from lobbying?

Raman Apr 30, 2016 09:45pm

The people in high office in Pakistan are fooling themselves and also the people. In the US the President sopposes and the congress desposes. If congress is not upto then nothing a President can do!

Humanity Apr 30, 2016 09:52pm

@Zak USA is a democracy and it never backed Pakistan. Not even in 1965 and 1971. They were only looking after their interest in the region. What did Pakistan ever had to give USA? They wanted a puppet to stop Soviet but due to India's non alignment policy,

Humanity Apr 30, 2016 09:57pm

They offered India the chance to be their puppet twice, India refused both time, then, they offered the same to Pakistan and Pakistan accepted at once. Neither USA nor Pakistan have ever been each others friend. India too did never had much to share with USA but we got a similar value system culture wise and thus it was bound for both democracies to keep trying for each others support despite some key differences between both nations.

ROHIT PANDEY Apr 30, 2016 09:59pm

@Puthomadre, karachi India is NOT going to manufacture the F16.

The Indian government wants a guarantee from the US government about the transfer of technology and that the deal will not be blocked half-way for some reason or another.

We have seen the US changing it's mind mid-way and slapping sanctions on a number of countries including Pakistan and we are careful about getting into a deal with the US.

We have other options open to us and we have the $$$ to pay for what we need.:)

ROHIT PANDEY Apr 30, 2016 09:59pm

@fahd China?:)

Monsieur S Apr 30, 2016 10:04pm

@fahd ..... India has the money to buy whatever it wants ..... big difference in India and Pakistan going shopping....

inqelabzindabad Apr 30, 2016 10:07pm

@fahd For India, its for "external use only" India does not pound its own land and people with fighter jets and take money from another country for that.

Tipu Apr 30, 2016 10:10pm

We should work on jf 17 thunder. We have the brain, make it stealth.

Najaf Apr 30, 2016 10:09pm

If we had some self respect in us and in our leaders then we should have been one of the top economy in the world. But we just love to beg from other people and show off with trains and metro. No hospital, no school, no jobs, everyone is looking to go overseas to live. We no need honest ppl like imran right?

niks Apr 30, 2016 10:11pm

@Harmony-1© ur own citizen is saying even former pak diplomat are blocking the sale n u blame india and Israel.. great.

Humanity Apr 30, 2016 10:17pm

@Muhammad Usman India-Pakistan-Bangladesh should reunite as one nation. It's a silly fight between us. We were never enemies. If Pakistani/s or Muslims don't like to be named under India, then we can change the name of the new re-united India. Pakistan can keep Sharia in its land and India will keep it's democratic laws as will Bangladesh. People who prefer democracy can live in India and people seeking Sharia can live in Pakistan. Also Pakistan can raise and act more effectively against any muslim discrimination while also becoming answerable for non muslim discrimination. That way we can all live as one with laws preferred by each other and without risk of war and in harmony. Please consider this option and make an offer to India or accept India's offer if it makes one. It doesn't threat Pakistan's/India's existence and will let have people the chance to live alone or together without hate or distrust and we can finally progress and compete with other developed nation.

Nile Apr 30, 2016 10:21pm

@Awan Agha Waqar can help bulit 5th and 6th generations fighter planes

k k tiwari Apr 30, 2016 10:23pm

Why ex - ambassador is opposing ? He is from Pakistan .

Khwarezmi Apr 30, 2016 10:34pm

Every Pakistani fighterjet, including F-16s, will be sitting ducks for future Indian S-300 and S-400 systems air defence systems.

Also, it seems like Pakistani planners face a lack of imagination since they time and again, over and over again, knock on the same sanctioned prone jets. Do they even have any rational strategic thinking capabilities left?

I feel enormous irritation against those planners who sat us on a path where Pakistan is being questioned and getting bad publicity in USA -after - having lost over 50.000 people in the War on Terror (for whom I blame Musharraf, Zardari and Sharifs).

houston Apr 30, 2016 10:50pm

We should drop F-16 altogether other then what we already have should go for Chinese J-10B

Atam Vetta Apr 30, 2016 11:10pm

There is no problem about selling the planes as the USA Govt. has granted permission and the manufacturer is keen to sell. The problem relates to the payment. Pakistan cannot pay the full amount. The Obama admin. wants to give Pak a 'loan' for which it needs the Congress OK. For various reasons, inc. the Indian lobby, the Congress is reluctant. Ordinarily, a US President can twist arms and get his way. Obama has 'lost' the support of even Democrat Senators and Congress members. He is in the twilight era and cannot twist arms. Further, The money he wants to give Pak in 2016-17 will need the approval of the next President & the Congress. Neither will be forthcoming. As Pak has many F16s, the running costs of 8 more will be cheap as compared to the costs of any other make. Difficult situation!

Ahamd Apr 30, 2016 11:10pm

@Indian Wolfie Actually Pak is poor country and can not afford those jets, She need USA aid to purchase.

Zak Apr 30, 2016 11:15pm

@iftikhar saeed I agree with your comment.

Zak Apr 30, 2016 11:16pm

We should play the game as these 8 planes are terrifying India. Shows our strenght in the region.

Kashmiri Nationalist Apr 30, 2016 11:27pm

@Awan Pakistani air defenses are sufficient to sort out the indians for the times to come rest assured

Legally Apr 30, 2016 11:29pm

The said deal is still alive if Pakistan ready to pay $ 700 billion. Can Pakistan really afford this✈️

Akhand Bharat Apr 30, 2016 11:39pm

Big deal. Pay 700 million dollars and buy it. Why looking for subsidies ?

Keti Zilgish Apr 30, 2016 11:42pm

More weapons simply mean more quarrels and more war and more deaths and more births and more cannon fodder and more difficult to break out of this vicious circle and hence less education. Take your pick.

khanm Apr 30, 2016 11:53pm

there is no one man show in US government. it is USA we are talking about not Pakistan. what congress will decide is immaterial..what matters most is when we will be self reliant. Usa is also blocking the sales of arms to Saudi is time to unite and that how we will stand..divided u fall. develop the technology...put ur mind to will follow..

sharp Gladiator May 01, 2016 12:09am

as a common Pakistani, I knew it will be happen, this situation is not wonder us, we are graduate in Americans mentality, F16 planes deal is just a game from Pakistan, now we are going to do, what's plan we have. in plan 2, that plan 2 is glass sand in mouth of congress and Indian Libby's. last word, American didn't learn lesson from past, Indians are our brothers, we know each other by mentality, but America will get loss surely

Sachin May 01, 2016 12:13am

Pakistan is dependent on US for spare parts of all existing hardware. Entire fleet can be grounded for one missing spare part of computer code.

probono publico May 01, 2016 12:19am

You're wrong, Fatimi saheb, this is Pakistani foreign policy's failure in the making, we failed to convince world of our message, and Indian carried their message to every nook and corner, we've no dedicated Foreign Minister, . . .

AAA May 01, 2016 12:27am

Just curious why pakistan needs F 16 If Hussain Haqani Sahib opposing it got to be logical reason Mr.Haqani is level headed man I support his decision.

Zak May 01, 2016 12:43am

@Rohit you don't know the PAF. It is the only Air Force that flys US, Russian , Chinese, French and in the past Britih fighter planes with absolute mastery.

Zak May 01, 2016 12:43am

@iftikhar saeed we know that.

Mr Obvious May 01, 2016 12:55am

Pakistan has no problem granting major projects to China under "no bid" arrangements and guaranteeing 28 percent returns. Most would call that blatant gouging. The USA decides it will sell Pakistan f-16's at the same price that it has sold 3,000 to countries throughout the World and the USA is the "bad guy" .... what's up with that?

Avik Roy May 01, 2016 12:57am

@Awan research and development of this nature requires a large pool of talented scientists and significant amount of money. Pakistan lacks both. Pakistan receives military hardware from China and USA, both countries provide them at subsidized rates.

azfar May 01, 2016 01:37am

Yes, it is Obama's job. He holds the portfolio of Pakistan's Foreign Ministry too.

fedup May 01, 2016 01:42am

@Truthful Your fight with the TTP had nothing to do with 911 or WOT - it was the result of Pakistan's assault on the Red Mosque. Pakistan isn't involved in a WOT it's involved in a Civil War which is portrays as WOT in order to get sympathy/money/weapons.

DVK May 01, 2016 01:51am

The basic argument that the F16s are required to fight terrorists is not convincing. So it makes job of lobbiest easy. Accept that they are intended to be used against other countries, which is the truth, and pay for it. Here pay is in terms of the cost and international consequences.

Dr faizan May 01, 2016 01:53am

Just say good bye to U.S. And buy jets from Russia... Pakistan needs to reconsider its "friendship" with U.S. and go with Russia as it is more reliable and trustworthy.

jamshed May 01, 2016 02:40am

@Vectra Twin engine heavy fighter of SU-30MKI /F15 class have never been PAF requirement not because these are technically challenging to fly but twice as expensive per sortie and price per unit and pain to maintain.Time between sortie because of maintenance is ridiculously long !! BTW if Angola an African country is flying SU-30, first batch of 9 rejected for quality issue by India then it is not a big deal? It is amusing to see that most Indians are blinded and overwhelmed by anti-Pakistan emotions but it is OK we are used to it But if Pakistan ever changed its requirement for dual engine heavy fighter, it will be most likely Chinese J-11D. And yes, PAF has invested heavily in F-16 for the last 33 years, they know this plane inside out with great flying record of tens of thousands of hours that is why they will still go for this unless US congress blocks it, but then all bets are off. They know things have changed since last embargo as their leverage is disappearing fast!!

Priya May 01, 2016 02:41am

@Zahid Malik Putin cancelled his Pakistan tour

UncutTruth May 01, 2016 03:19am

Looks like US has tired of giving handouts and Saudis want too much in return for their largesse. Time to find a new bakra, perhaps China?

Khwarezmi May 01, 2016 03:20am

As a Pakistani I hope this deal never happens. Not because I agree with Indians and Hussain Haqqani (self declaired Pakistan hater?) but because I believe Pakistan should stay away from US systems and use the money on JF-17 block III and R&D. Also, these F-16s do not bring anything extra to PAF quality vise: comes without AIM-9X, no Pakistani weapons like Ra'ad cruise missile will fit them or H-2 and H-4 missiles, most likely no AESA radar and so on...

Tamilselvan May 01, 2016 03:32am

@aditya Let's be honest even IAF is hesitating to induct Tejas into the air force . Let it prove its worth before trying to sell it

jamshed May 01, 2016 03:44am

@Vectra Yes, I agree we have no base to develop yet but India is also far, too far from developing its own 5th generation fighter. Please look around your neighborhood who has done it and successfully? Hint, to your north !!

jonathan May 01, 2016 03:48am

This is the state of US politics nowadays. In short confused. To give the government a benefit of doubt though, I guess the concern is that the planes ip will be sold off to China - given the state of affairs where Pakistan is willing to bend over to do anything for China at the cost of US.

Saleem Imtiaz May 01, 2016 04:03am

we dont need planes..we need education and health..

flying star May 01, 2016 04:03am

buy the sofesticate materiel (electronic) to secure the border, put out all the illegals persones out of the contry and buy the fighters-jet frome russia

khan143 May 01, 2016 04:24am

There is always lobbying, for and against , for everything. Blaming that is lame.

AHA May 01, 2016 05:17am

@FAHD India has big enemies like China and some small time enemies around it.

numbersnumbers May 01, 2016 05:18am

Jet subsidy was denied because of well known Pakistani duplicity in its continued open support of its Good Taliban assets (Haqqani plus Afghan Taliban!) that have killed so many Americans in Afghanistan! Dreaming up other reasons (India!) is just the face of Pakistani denial of the issues involved!

Concerned May 01, 2016 05:40am


Yes, it is no deal for us to spend $700 million on 8 planes, but with this much money we can build thousands of schools to educate hundreds of thousands of children. We can spend this money to stop producing 'millitants'.

However, it seems no one is interested in peace; everyone wants wars.

Umer Salahuddin May 01, 2016 06:14am

When we stop living in fools paradise. Why we do not understand that Pakistan is no more important to USA and it is more than inclined to India.

Last Word May 01, 2016 06:23am

This is the result of following dual policy on terrorism for several decades which is no longer being tolerated by US including neighbours. Presently, half of the world is fighting terrorism but Pakistan continues to promote it with impunity with total disregard to world opinion. F-16 is just a minor issue but the worst is yet to come if Pakistan continues its disastrous foreign policy.

deven May 01, 2016 06:30am

Biggest joke. It is like the last time i went to Haji Ali at Mumbai and the beggar told me that he does not accept less than Rs 10/- as alms ( I had given him Rs 5/-). I took my Rs 5/- coin back and just walked away with a prayer that the almighty may grant him some sense.

Dinesh from Ludhiana May 01, 2016 06:49am

@iftikhar saeed You are wrong Zak is right about 1971

Baniya Khopdee Melbourne May 01, 2016 06:54am

@Abhishek ....Why will China help?? They want USA to deny so they can get Pak business and continue their clout over Pakistan...which will actually be harmful for Pakistan as they will have no diversification.

Baniya Khopdee Melbourne May 01, 2016 07:03am

@Puthomadre, karachi ....Even though remote outside of box thinking, Pakistan should actually make India more and more entrenched in business...As an proud Bharatiya who like most also want peace and progress for people for both countries and the region, this idea if strategised and executed well by Pakistan will be a game changer and actually show real leadership and increase standing of Pakistan around the world.

I.H.. Bokharee May 01, 2016 07:10am

This is and has been a trend with U.S. Pak relationship for decades. Once the Americans think they have accomplished what is in their interest they move on. Slap sanctions for the next decade or so until they need us again. We should learn and take different approach. This never has and never will work.

goldigger May 01, 2016 07:13am

Everyone wants a plane in this comments section..with the exception of some sensible ones here..

Rama May 01, 2016 07:14am

@iftikhar saeed

ftikhar saeed read proper history, US seventh fleet was in Bay of Bengal and provided the Sabre advance jet fighter at that time .

Battleaxe May 01, 2016 07:29am

US of A has no money to give from defence budget , if it pays from the tax payers account then the Democrats will have to answer it use with proof with proof and proof is only that drones are as effective in precision strike as any planes so it's plain logic that US might want to give planes but not at taxpayers cost, everyone knows these facts but Obama seems to a logic less person with very feeble persuasion poweras he on the way out .

Dee May 01, 2016 08:22am

Guys we have such a short lifespan on this planet ! Why do we talk of war and not peace. . Why don't we talk of love always hatred ... why don't we see beauty in each other rather than ugliness. .. None of us is leaving this planet alive so let's make this world a beautiful place


Sami Shahid May 01, 2016 04:32pm

@Harmony-1© stop blaming India and Israel....if our own government and foreign office will behave like a stupid.....all this will happen