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Reaction: the response to the Ahmedi massacre

Published Jun 14, 2010 04:28pm


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“We are all under threat. They will kill us. They will kill us,” claimed Rubina Saigol, repeating the conversation with members of the Ahmedi community a few months ago. Saigol, an independent social researcher, said that the community members wanted to show her some case files on Ahmedis and talk about the threats publicly.

“I feel guilty and terrible that I didn’t write – partly because of fear.”

But before Saigol could gather up any courage to take any action – the threats had become a reality.

On May 28, militants attacked two Ahmedi houses of worship in Lahore, which resulted in the tragic death of more than 80 people and left more than a 100 injured. Within days, other militants attacked Lahore’s Jinnah Hospital where the injured were still recovering from the first attack.

The Ahmedi massacre has left everyone in shock and the Ahmedi community crippled with grief.

The Ahmedis have struggled for rights within India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, and Indonesia for many years.

Although the majority of the Pakistani population is Sunni – there is a growing percentage of people who are seriously questioning the Sharia laws and the constitution. The trend can be followed on local blogs and even the op-ed pages of local newspapers – the rhetoric challenges Sharia laws against the basic rights of a citizen.

Pakistan’s Sharia laws are based mainly on the Hanafi school of thought.

According to Sharia Law, an Ahmedi cannot be accepted as a Muslim or as part of an Islamic sect because one of the basic fundamentals of Islam is to accept Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the last prophet in Islam – in Quranic verses he is referred to as the “Final Seal” (al-azhab:40).

In several interviews with religious scholars, from Sunni and Shia schools of thought in Cairo and Q’um in Iran agreed that Ahmedis were not a Muslim sect. They went as far as calling them, “heretics” and “infidels.” As well as, if a non-Muslim shows and preaches under a Muslim façade, then he or she must be charged, proven guilty, and punished in court according to Sharia law, a crime which is punishable by death (wajib-ul-qatl).

But one of the scholars in Cairo, who requested to stay anonymous, was quick to add that if a non-believer is a citizen of an Islamic state then he or she becomes the zami (responsibility) of the state. Therefore, it is the state’s responsibility to protect them more than the Muslim citizen, out of fear for violence against them.

“They should be treated with the utmost respect, because we, as Muslims, need to set an example for them,” he said. “As a Muslim, your responsibility is to follow the basics of Islam and lead a good life – violence of any type against anyone is not an example of leading a good life.”

This one scholar, who remains anonymous out of fear for the repercussions he could face, is not alone.

As soon as the attack hit the news, blogs went up everywhere in an uproar; some immediately condemned the brutal attack, others wrote malicious comments about Ahmedis claiming them to be wajib-ul-qatl (deserving of death), and some tried to explain the causes of the attack through religious, political and social analyses.

On the blog pkpolitics there were many harsh comments and the owners of the blog removed those comments and posted a warning to respondents on abusive language.

One of the more kinder comments on pkpolitics was, “Brother, The Qadyani religion should not be even be called ‘Ahemdi religion’, for you know that the Last Prophet Muhammad is exclusively mentioned by the name ‘Ahmed’ both in the Holy Quran and in the Bible (sic).”

Another respondent scolded back, “I cant believe my eyes, Instead of completely condemning the attack and humiliating the attackers, some are debating on the words used and about Qadyani sect or religion whatever…. no wonder Pakistan is heading towards its doom day by day… shame on us (sic).”

Tazeen Javed, winner of Best Humor Blog category for Pakistan’s first Annual Blog Awards, blogs at A Reluctant Mind wrote, a social aspect of the attack holding everyone accountable, event the public, for the attack in “We all have blood on our hands.”

The Waking Life blog posted, “Is it all worth?” questioning Muslims who asked for tolerance in other parts of the world, wrote, “Time to put things in perspective...Facebook may have partaken in blasphemy but there’s plenty of it going on in our cities and society. How about cleaning our own house first? (sic)”

The popular and controversial blog, Café Pyala, which sometimes uses profanity, condemned the attack in the political analysis “Original Sin:” “Truly, if ever there was short-sightedness among Pakistan’s establishment (and there are plenty of examples of it) this was it…The nurturing of extremist thought during Zia ul Haq’s (mis)rule and its repercussions in the shape of today’s barbaric attacks (and earlier targeting of Shias, Hindus and Christians) are a logical continuation of the original sin. (sic)”

Most editorials and columnists for print media did not have to directly respond to profanity like some online media blogs, however they condemned the attack, pointing out the government’s blatant disregard for protecting minorities, and feeding a culture of bigotry.

The Dawn editorial “Culture of Intolerance” wrote, “Religious minorities in Pakistan have not only been shunted to the margins of society but also face outright persecution on a regular basis…the state, meanwhile, remains largely unmoved by the plight of minorities — and that isn’t surprising either for it is a party to this persecution.”

Columnists did not try to hide the humiliation the government as well as the public should feel over the attacks.

Columnist Kamran Shafi, who writes for Dawn, wrote in A sad place, indeed that he recalled a time when there was no religious distinction, just Pakistani citizens. He stated, “The Ahmedis might be considered non-Muslim by the state; surely they are still Pakistani?”

Shafi added that an important member of the Ahmedi community told him that the compensation that was offered to the victims of the attack would be kindly refused and asked to be transferred over to the people of Hunza-Gojal for the relief work.

These voices of different generations and backgrounds of growing tolerance are currently at a grass-roots level, but they can still be heard, even in some political circles.

On the day of the attack, Punjab’s Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif held a press conference addressing the attack and the efforts of the police. Even though his offices had received reports on a threat to the Ahmedis several days prior to the attack.

While soon after the attacks, Interior Minister Rehman Malik was the only government official who personally went to visit the Ahmedi community to give condolences

Shahbaz Sharif has yet to visit the Ahmedi community since the attacks.

Although most recently, PML-N party leader Nawaz Sharif did condemn the attacks and named Ahmedis as “brothers” and “sisters.” Only for him to be threatened by religious leaders with an anti-Sharif campaign in the region.

If the public’s reaction has mobilised the government to react at all then it leads to the most important question: What is the next step?

Imam Shamsi Ali might have the answer.

“It is very difficult to accept the nature of the world we live in – part of this world is the freedom of expression. I oppose the idea (Ahmedi movement) but I cannot impose my ideas on anyone. I have no right to impose my ideas on anyone,” said Imam Ali.

Ali, who lived and studied Islamic Studies in Islamabad for seven years, is the leader for the 96th street mosque and runs the Islamic Cultural Center in New York.

“We need engagement. If we oppose those claims then we must have intellectual discourse. If we engage with Hindus, Christians, Jews, or Buddhists, then why cannot we talk to them?”

Ali, ultimately, feels that restricting the freedoms of a people is not the way of Islam, rather allowing people their freedom and showing tolerance is way for people to find the path to Islam.

Sadef A. Kully is a  Reporter/Associate Producer for

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vic... Jun 14, 2010 12:21pm
Thank you Sadaf...I am fully agree with you and Dawn editorial
Khan_Ghalzai Jun 14, 2010 01:47pm
Sadaf, Thanks for finding the courage to write about the oppressed and peace loving citizens of Pakistan.
Dabir Ahmed Pir Jun 14, 2010 02:38pm
Sadef one is never too late,congratulations on display of courage. Although lot could have been done by the govt before and after the attack on 28 May2010, but the insensitivy is so apparent that that it is becoming shameful. For instance mosques are still propagating hatred, anti-ahmedi banners have not been removed even from the govt buildings and sporadic instances of violence are still taking place. Although apparently media seems to have realised the seriousness of the matter to some instance there is still a need for collective responce to deal with this serious and sensitive matter.
Mansoor Ishfaq Jun 14, 2010 02:46pm
Thank you, Ms. Sadaf, for your support in favor of freedom of religion in Pakistan which is align with the Holy Quran
Syed Jun 14, 2010 02:51pm
A serious debate on how to limit the Mullahs needs to be started. Pakistan can do without the hate-mongers who operate in the name of Islam.
Rashid Arshed Jun 14, 2010 03:11pm
The Culture of intolerance has brought us where we are now, unfortunately the lowest of the low.
Momin Jun 14, 2010 03:23pm
Dawn, your go on this issue is very nice........well done. Ahmadis are also the citizens of this country and they also have the full rights to practise whatever they want to.
AMTUL RAFAY Jun 14, 2010 04:11pm
im so sorry bt what the government is reacting with ahmadis is really very shameful.....i contempt on it.....our moto is to love for all and hatred for none and we will never leave our path..........
R S JOHAR Jun 14, 2010 04:19pm
An excellent article by all standards but nevertheless also a sad commentary on intolerence and mindless violence. However, I do not agree with the writer's remarks that Ahmedis have to struggle for their rights in India which is totally wrong. On the contrary, there has been no violent incidents for decades even between Shia and Sunni communities in India.
Muslim Jun 14, 2010 04:43pm
We as Muslim always talk about Quran & Sunnah. I beg all Muslims espaciallly in Pakistan to read Quran & Sunnah in a language you understand and do not listen to Mullahs. 99.9% of the Mullahs incite hatred & intolerence which is against Islam. Make up Muslims in Pakistan, there is no clergy in Islam, no requirement of a long beard, read & understand your religion and do not rely on these Mullahs.
Rana Mudassar Ahmed Jun 14, 2010 04:46pm
Ms Sadef i agree with you.these all things didn
Iman Faris Jun 14, 2010 04:49pm
well done again Sadef, i agree with you
Irfan Jun 14, 2010 04:53pm
Ahmedi, Christian, Sunni or Shias we are all Pakistanis. It is the responsibility of majority to assure safety and rights of minorities. What's going on in Pakistan is an organized attempt to start civil war. Who is behind is can be argued but one thing for sure people and outside powers behind it or not friends of Pakistan or people of Pakistan. This is the time for all of us to come together and send a strong message back by uniting and by defending rights of every single national of Pakistan regardless of their believes. My deepest condolences to the families of all victims of suicide bombings and other violent acts. If people of Pakistan don't wake up now and unite as one nation I am afraid we will be in for a long haul of trouble that will take us towards destruction.
ramesh Jun 14, 2010 05:38pm
It is good to hear dissenting voices from Pakistan in this matter. But knowing the deep rooted literalism, obstinate character of the religious leaders and the blind faith they command, nothing positive will get done. The numerous problems facing the society today will push this under the pile of not so important ones.
Kaleem Ahmad Jun 14, 2010 05:53pm
Another good addition in the series of blogs on this topic. Keep it up. We are badly in need of a culture of tolerance.
Adnan Jun 14, 2010 06:18pm
We need a constitutional amendment to make Pakistan politically a secular country. Why should the government differentiate between people of different religions? Are not they all Pakistani? Whenever you try to rule a country as a religious entity, anarchy almost always follows.
Affan Khan Jun 14, 2010 06:26pm
Sadaf thanks for raising the awarness about plight of minorities.
hami humayun Jun 14, 2010 06:49pm
IF the PROPHET had been alive how would HE have dealt with the AHMEDIS? TOLERANCE. NOBODY has the right to kill a PAKISTANI citizen. THE QUAID would be turning in his grave. AS a SUNNI I VEHEMENTLY reject all violence against any PAKISTANI.ONLY the enemies of PAKISTAN are rejoicing.
IMRAN Jun 14, 2010 07:26pm
Brillient effort to portray the real picture. I don't believe in Ahmedi's beliefs but they are equal to me or any other mainstream Muslim in their rights and the govt. Should have taken extra steps to protect them. However, this attack should't be equalised with the attack on Christians a few months ago, as that was a typical example of non-tolerance by general public and was more shameful then this attack as this one exemplifies the typical terrorist attack. Though both are condemnable and very regrettable. I hope we would be able to create a tolerant and lovable society for our coming generations.
Hassan Ghumman Jun 14, 2010 07:36pm
Answer me this, Who gave you people the right to judge who is and who isn't a Muslim. Not even the Prophet (SAW) judged who is and who isn't a Muslim who gave you or the Pak govt the authority? You should be ashamed of yourself as a journalist, someone who is relied upon to provided an unbiased, 3rd person perspective on matters of the world.
Agha Ata Jun 14, 2010 07:56pm
Incidenatlly, i keep looking for the news that the prayers of victims are being answered.
zakintosh Jun 14, 2010 08:07pm
Excellent to be able to see this here
azhar awan Jun 14, 2010 08:15pm
Mr. Shahbaz Sharif appeared to be a good administrator of Punjab, he and his family did many good things for Pakistan. After all he is politician and he care his seat very much, and therefore, why he should care about minority who could be no threat to him. I urge him to do his part, it his responsibility to protect the well being of innocent people-imagine people who gather to pray were massacred- and he have done nothing.
Mkhan Jun 15, 2010 10:12am
Thanks a lot Ms. Sadef for a brilliant article..... Blasphemous allegations against Ahmadis is not the solution.
Masaf Dawood Jun 14, 2010 09:25pm
A true view of Pakistani view point against Ahmedi Community. The one sided propaganda including all evil and nefarious things attributed to Ahmedis in the name of Islam has gone for too long leading to the attacks on places of worship. The community is not given any voice or allowed to tell their side in the so called democratic fabric of the country they belong to. The loyalty to Pakistan and to the faith is unquestionable and Ahmedis as always - even after this masscare have and will not utter /harbor any evil or inclination for evil towards Pakistan. However it is upto Pakistan leaders and folks alike to put an end to the state sponsored and Gen Zia-Ul Haq ordinance enabled persecution of Ahamdis !!! Unless and until the laws are reversed and there is a wholesale change in the attitude of the Govt - which signals the miscreants that such atrocities will not be allowed - Such activities will continue till nobody is left in the end to prosecute. The media should take a much more proactive role in educating the people and promote tolerance vs targeting and inciting violence against Ahamdis. It is ironic that the only religious community that whole heartdly participated in Pakistan movement is under siege in their very homeland they sacrificed to create for no fault of their own but believing in the Messaih and Mahdi of the age and reciting Kalima Tayba. May Allah safe every Pakistani from the miscreants, hate mongers and so called soldiers of Islam gunning people in the name of Islam(Ameen).
Saleem Jun 14, 2010 09:35pm
In the name of Allah, most gracious most merciful First of all I am thankful to Dawn news for their courageous and God fearing approach. I live in United States, and I am proud to be an Ahmadi. We follow the true teaching of Islam, by practicing "Love for all, hatred for none". We learned this from our beloved prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who we with all sincerity believe to be Khatam-un-nabiyeen, rehmat-ul-Alameen. He who forgave his staunch enemies and those who hurt him deeply in Taif, we Ahmadies are his followers. He was Khatam according to a Hadith even when Adam was not created. Another Hadith is addressing Hadrat Ali (ra)" Ana Khatam-un-Nabiyeen and Anta Khatam-ul-Oliyya". Meaning I am the Seal of Prophets and O Ali you are Seal of Walis. So if Khatam mean finished what you say about all Olliya
AnisAqeel Jun 14, 2010 09:36pm
Thank you Sadef for showing some bitter, sweet and sour in your blog and responses of some, good or bad towards massacre of citizens of Pakistan. I have been an admirer and a regular to Dawn since my college days and now for the last two decades I have been reading it via internet and the only thing being my so persistently reading Dawn is that it is mostly unbiased and have few of the Pakistan's very best columnists and blogers who are quite 'unbiased literates' and not just writers. Dawn, I salute you and your entire team who is keeping its founder's dreams alive. I admire wisdom of Ardeshir Cowasjee, I find him well versed what he is talking about, a real veteran of Dawn who knows and feels what is going on in our Pakistan and sometimes his wisdom brings 'corrections' decades after a parliament makes 'historic wrong'. Thank you Cowasjee for your columns. Huma Yusuf, Jawed Naqvi, Irfan Husain, Nadeem F. Paracha, Cyril Almeida, Kuldip Nayar, Rehman or Naqvi they all are good and may be controversial but call spade a spade and that is their strength, the strength of Dawn. Rafia, Zubaida, Anjum, Ayesha, Mahir or Kamran and a few more who have been educating stubborn without any fear or greed. They are holding the journalistic manners high in its place. Thank you all for educating the real world to those who can't see beyond their enslavement.
Saleem Jun 14, 2010 09:55pm
I am proud be an American, where I am free to practice my faith with freedom.
L Ahmad- Sydney Jun 14, 2010 10:36pm
Muslim world is perturbed by the deaths of nine people on a boat in the Mediterranean but killing of hundred innocent Ahmadis did not raise its ire. Not worthy of comment or condemnation. Nothing excuses the collective punishment, dehumanisation and barbaric killing of Ahmadis. I cannot imagine anything more un-Islamic.
Fatima Jun 14, 2010 11:43pm
Never did Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) and his true followers ever go and attack so called non-believers. They co-existed with them and only picked up the sword when under attack. First these people kill shia and now ahmedi - fine let them - Allah is with the oppressed not the oppressor and the day will come when the oppressed will earn the heavens and these oppressors will inherit the worse parts of hell. This is what hell is for. My heart goes out to these innocent people.
Latif Khan Jun 15, 2010 11:40am
Allah always answers the prayers of victims but on His own way.
naghman qureshi Jun 15, 2010 11:53am
good article.this culture of intolerance can only be controlled by strong laws that are swift and inforced to the max.
Muhammad.Quddus Jun 15, 2010 01:49am
"Give me Pakistan or Death", said the first prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan. He was quoting the famous American revolutionary Patrick Henry. During the Americna revolutionary war, almost all Americans understood the battle outcry for Liberty. But not all Americans understood when the same famous revolutionary said, "I am not a Virginian but an American." But almost all Americans understood when Thomas Jefferson said, "Virginia sir, is my country." With Liberty came new tension between regional loyalties and an abastract idea of liberty in a nation yet to be formed. It is not an act of magic that "Bill of Rights" emerges in the year of 1776. Its a state of the art document that protects the rights of the individual born into the land. It teaches men and women to show regard towards other men and women regardless of the differences. In Pakistan, after the earlier death of the Founding Father, whatever is left in spirit is done away with the assissination of Liaquat Ali Khan in 1951. And the blood in Lahore's Jinnah Hospital--a fitting name--speak volumes of the blood spelled in 1951 not just of the leader but of a nation in its formation.
Balal Jun 15, 2010 07:09am
A very good read and a very commendable effort. Ahmedies muslims or not muslims are Human Beings and Pakistanis, I will not go into any debate about religion at the moment due to the fact that this might not be the forum, but a simple question still tickles my mind, around 100 people massacared, the response of the community was as per the teachings of Islam, ""Kunu ma as sabirin"" , as God says that he is always with the people who show patience and total dedication to God, still no political party or leaders had the courage to come up to the media and openly say that they sympathize with the Jamaat e Ahmadiyya. The biggest responsibility was of the Ulema of today, to come forward and show the world the real teachings of Islam which were of love and peace. Instead they cherished and many were reported to have distributed sweets. When the state of affairs reach such a boiling point, history has taught us that even though the truthful maybe weak and less in numerical numbers but divine guidance always makes them succeed. As your topic clearly states response to Ahmedi Massacare, I really think now the response of the whole Pakistani community is in question and still if we follow the old ways of putting a deaf ear to heinous crimes and injustices then I am afraid we as a nation as a race and as human beings will die forever spiritually and mentally. May God open our eyes and give us all the courage to stand by truth and justice just like the Great Ms Sadef.
Kaleem Mirza Jun 15, 2010 03:14am
Thank you Sadaf! Hope that this thinking would some day seep through to the rest of Pakistani public and government.
Rana Mudassar Ahmed Jun 15, 2010 06:35am
I am agree with you. But we must understand what kind of mindset is working behind militants in side Pakistan? To understand this Dilemma we must go through the facts of our history because these all things didn
Ahmed Jun 15, 2010 06:36am
who ever claims to be a muslim,is a Muslim
Latif Khan Jun 15, 2010 07:56am
Well done ,Sadef, a good compilation with some background information which is appreciable. In fact, Pakistan would have solved this problem in 1974 if the door of communication was left open between Ahmadis and Muslims. This was a major damage to both sides. Ahmadis were persecuted and Muslims grew up in ignorance. There were no dialogues between them which gave rise to all sorts of misunderstandings on both sides. Islam is a religion of reasoning and encourages constructive discussions. We need like minded people in Pakistan like yourself to work together and narrow the gap between them which has become larger than an ocean in the last 34 years.
Rubab Khan Jun 15, 2010 08:01am
The attacks on the Ahmedi's is terrorism, pure and simple. The state cannot condone this kind of behavior and deny these people their rights as the citizens of Pakistan. The law of the jungle must not be allowed to prevail and the religious zealots must be stopped before they destroy Pakistan. We are proving to the world that we are the most intolerant country in the world. It is no wonder that the religious fringe in Pakistan does not have any popular support, but they do have the nuisance value owing to their militant behavior. If we don't come to grips with them now, then in the near future, we may not have a country to call our own.....
Mehmood Jun 15, 2010 06:21am
In Quranic: the original verse is referred to Prophet Muhammad (saw) as the
Ahsan Shah Jun 15, 2010 04:26am
Thoughtful article written by Sadef. You mentioned that a lot of Muslim scholars from different places declare Ahmadis to be non-Muslim. I would like to state that during a meeting with the Imam of Al Azhar University the question of Ahmadiyya was brought up and he declared Ahmadi's to be Muslim. I will provide the source to those who are interested. Quoting Imam Ali from New York "We need engagement. If we oppose those claims then we must have intellectual discourse. If we engage with Hindus, Christians, Jews, or Buddhists, then why cannot we talk to them?
Ibn-e-Maryam Jun 15, 2010 04:37am
Very good analysis. Thanks much. As Ahmadis, we are not afraid of opposing views, but to snatch away people's right to freely believe and practice their beliefs has been taken away from Ahmadis in Pakistan.
ahmd Jun 15, 2010 05:35am
Dalai Lama had said that 'all major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives'. I believe that Islam too has all the three ingredients in it but Mullhas are spreading hatred, intolerance and revenge.
aleesa Jun 15, 2010 05:59am
Very well done Sadaf!!! Many Muslims today are realizing that tolerance and love for humanity is the the religious teaching of Islam and as you have mentioned in your writing Shamsi Ali's words.... "restricting the freedoms of a people is not the way of Islam, rather allowing people their freedom and showing tolerance is way for people to find the path to Islam" I really wish we all understand Islam in its true spirit and remove the bad name we ourselves have earned for Muslims through our fanatic believes and misunderstandings....
Masaf Dawood Jun 15, 2010 01:13pm
Sadef - Thankyou for very brilliantly and "BOLDLY" highlighting the persecution against members of Ahmadiyya Community. Much Appreciated and many regards.
Raki Jun 15, 2010 03:34pm
Pakistan is a democracy and they are entitled to kinds of society, constitution and government the majority of Pakistanis want. The people who don't like it should fight it out in the next elections.
Fais123 Jun 15, 2010 04:03pm
BIAS ATTITUDE OF DAWN NEWS AND AHMEDI BLOGGERS The article pertains to the condemnable attacks, but it seems it has been turned into a forum for religious debates by ahmedis trying to prove they are muslims. While religious comments by ahmedis have been allowed to be published, it is sad that dawn news is not publishing comments by muslims explaining the reasons for exclusion of ahmedis as muslims. My comments dated 15th June were not published and no reason was given on e-mail despite my condemnation of attacks in strongest terms. Ahmedi claims of being muslims were encountered in my article to balance the misleading opinions being published by ahmedis. I am disappointed in the biased attitude of dawn news which has allowed these forums to be used as a tool for propagation of ahmedi beliefs while restricting muslims from airing objections and proving their claims false.
Hassan Ghumman Jun 15, 2010 05:17pm
WE ARE ALL MUSLIMS! Anyone claiming to be a Muslim follows the true teachings of Islam! Why do you paint yourself into a corner by saying that the Ahmadiyya Jamaat follows the true teachings of Islam? That suggests that you are saying other jamaats and other sects don't follow the true teachings!
Ihtesham Ahmed Jun 15, 2010 05:23pm
Aoa, mostly people in Pakistan don't know that what Ahmadi are.? it can only be possible when they give us right to speak that what we are.? thanx to Dawn News, u people did a good job. Regards.
haroon Jun 15, 2010 05:43pm
If we can get rid of these Mullahs in Pakistan, I am sure following the teachings of Islam is going to be pretty easy. After all its a straight forward book with a straight forward message. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand it.
Ayaz Jun 15, 2010 06:02pm
We need a modern day Kamal Ata Turk in Pakistan who would wash out all the mullahs and their comrades and make this country Pak-istan again. This filth has must go.
Abdul Naseer Jun 15, 2010 06:19pm
Seems to be a summary of differing opinions on the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Emphasizes tolerance but still not courageous enough to tackle the root of the problem Pakistan is facing - extremism.
Aamir Ali Jun 15, 2010 07:54pm
Pakistan is among the most bigoted societies in the world, whether a person is Sunni, Shia, Ahmedi, Christian, Sikh or no religion they are hated and murdered. Even foreigners are not spared as in last few years Americans, Chinese, French, Turkish and Polish have been killed for various reasons. It is a massive mistake to judge people on whether they are "Muslim" or not, and then to pass laws to enforce that judgement and encourage more hatred and violence in society.
Ashraf Kapadia Jun 16, 2010 02:52am
Ahmedis are citizens of Pakistan and the state has a responsibility to protect them. Whether they are muslims or not is irrelevant. Since there is no law in the country (courtesy all the traitors who continued to rule the country throughthe barrel of a gun) you cannot expect its citizens to behave like normal human beings.
Bashir Jun 16, 2010 06:32am
It's so sad to see Pakistan like this situation. What happen to our country since Mullas start to run the country. We want Pakistan with peace and love for all mankind. As Ahmadi I say "love for all, hatred for none" Bashir Rohela from Detroit, Michigan , USA.
YAK Jun 16, 2010 05:20am
It is sad that the so called 'ulema' of this country are driving a campaign full of lies to dehumanize Ahmadi...people want to follow the Mullahs instead of the Quran right? The biggest lie the propagate is that the Ahmadis insult the Holy Prophet....if anyone even slightly studies their beliefs, he or she will find out how blatant a lie it is. Unfortunately, very small number of people have the courage or the motivation for finding the truth.... WAKE UP PAKISTAN...everyone of you will be accounted for not speaking up and finding out the truth and sacrificing everything for that truth on the Day of Judgement!
YAK Jun 16, 2010 05:31am
I am an Ahmadi, and I speak for the rights of all...the recent wave of sectarian killings of our Shia brothers and unfortunate killings of Sunni brothers is extremely sad...this is what it is coming to....what we need to realize is that it does not stop at one minority goes on and comes back to haunt the majority as well...the thing that needs to be realized is the evil of hatred...whether its against anyone should be fought against if we need to see a prosperous Pakistan that Jinnah and the majority of Pakistanis hoped for....we need to repeal the exaggerated blasphemy laws giving a free hand to the extremists...we need the government to install intelligence guys in every mosque and madrassa etc to monitor Mullahs, or any other religious fairly see to it that they do not spew hatred against anyone. They should be allowed to speak the good things about their beliefs only. Unless this is done, we are going down hill. I pray for this country and all the citizens of this country. Long live Pakistan!
zeeshan Jun 16, 2010 06:47am
In Pakistan both Muslims and Non Muslims are subject to terrorist attacks. Its not that govt. is protecting Muslims and not NonMuslims. Therefore discrimination is not correct word to describe. Killers of Muslim Ulemas are at large too, similar to attackers of Qadyani worship place.
Sam Jun 16, 2010 01:14pm
Agree. However, I think Ahmedi community is only asking for compassion and kind words. Not an explanation who is targeted and who is spared.
Waleed Khan Jun 16, 2010 02:39pm
I don't agree with you. Even your comment is discriminatory and derogatory. You call us
Aeysha Ahmad Jun 16, 2010 03:42pm
Fais 123 : I am an Ahmedi and would like to sincerely thank you on your condemnation of the Lahore attacks. For your information plenty of people have expressed their anti Ahmedi sentiments on these blogs recently. People like yourself have heard things about Ahmedies' beliefs that simply are Not true! Meeting an actual Ahmedi would surely change your mind. You used the word "allowed" in your comment right? well it is probably the first time in 35 years that Ahmedies have been allowed a little chance to tell the educated elite of our beloved country that they are followers of the same Quran as yourself, and the same Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) as yourself. Theological discussions cannot take place through a comment box. That needs to be done in meetings where both parties debate these matters but as you perfectly well know, us Ahmedies cannot even talk about our jamaat without the fear of being arrested, we cannot even say Assalamo alaikum... Now you may find that delightful but mark my words: when governments decide to play God and legislate against beliefs and matters of faith, they dig a deep dark hole into which such societies & nations eventually collapse. JazakAllah (oh I have a chance of getting arrested for saying this as well !!)
Saleem Jun 16, 2010 04:32pm
Hassan, Respectfully, You are correct when you say WE ARE ALL MUSLIMS. I never meant to imply that non Ahmadies are not Muslims. Whoever call himself a Muslim is a Muslim.
Rizwan Jun 16, 2010 04:33pm
Every Pakistani should have same rights, The dark amendments to constitution, which were done by ZA Bhutto and Zia-ul-haq to as part of political negotiation should be thrown out of the constitution.
Naeem Husain Jun 16, 2010 04:39pm
Live and let live. Let GOD be the judge. No body has a right to kill any body. We should learn from our last prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) he never have any aggressive approach against his enemies or people who disagreed with him in the early stage of Islam. So many examples are available. we should learn and set an example for whole mankind. Killing is HARAM. Try to spread true Islam with peace and compassion among mankind as our last prophet has shown us the way and then see the change. Truth will prevail.
Taimur Jun 16, 2010 05:32pm
Using the word "Qadiani" against the will of Ahmadis is also an attack. How will you feel if somebody ask your religion is faisalabadi, dehlvi, Chinioti or Hyderabadi. Your post is an example that there is discrimination.
Wahab Jun 16, 2010 11:57pm
May Allah give a high status in Paradise to those who were offering their Friday Prayers and were attacked and killed. For all the injured ones, May the Almighty Allah give them speedy recovery and a good health, for those who were there, for those affected one, may the Almighty God protect them, may He protect all of them, all of us. May He be with all of us. For those who did this crime, May Allah punish them for their wrong-doings as Allah is full aware of what they do.
ALI RAZA QULI Jun 17, 2010 05:05am
Dawn news publications/producers Article written based on religious violence's. Wonderfully drafted the story this is government responsibility to protect the life and property of every citizens or not citizen of that land. But govt is fully responsible for any unhuman behavior, Religious and sectarian hatred is worst enemy of citizens of any land govt have to take serious note and must punished this kind of behaviors. Hope minority should share few points. might help to protect their religious right. A. All minority living in Pakistan must start dialogues among minority. B. Focus their demand. Start communication, coordinate program. C. Start corner meeting merge with local political party who acknowledge your griefness. participate in coming election. Take your citizen problem to parliament as a elected representative of minority.
Abu Aayan Jun 17, 2010 05:28am
So concerned about this one blog ???!!!! Just go and read all the news papers, go and watch all the news channels, go and attend all the gatherings, go and read all the banners, pamphlets, and posters in the streets across Pakistan. What do they read ? Nothing but Anti-Ahmadiyya stuff. When it comes to presenting the view point of Ahmadies, no one is taking the risk - not even the channels and individuals who claim to be 'balanced'. You are complaining about your posts blocked; similar could be the stories from Ahmdies' side also. My own posts had been blocked many a times. But I always thought that may be Dawn blocked those for some reasons, such as repetition of same stuff by others (as for sure not a word in any of my posts was offensive). But having said this, no complains; because what we are watching is so obviously suggesting something - something very very drastic. Apparently it is becoming ABSOLUTELY HOPELESS. And its not only because of the attacks on May 28th; but because of what we are witnessing after May 28th.
Balal Jun 17, 2010 06:41am
Dear Zeeshan, I agree with you that every one is a victim of Terrorism, but what we want to ask here is why is the terrorism legitimized against Ahmedies? Under Law, we are murtid and thus we cannot practise Islam and if we do we are punishable and the highest penalty is Death. This is from where clerics get their ammunition of spreading hate and the repeat this in their sermons that Ahmedies are Wajibul Katal, if you disagree with me, let me quote you can example of yesterday nights programme on an Independent TV channal, there were 3 So called Ulemas of high pedigree and the on television announced that Ahmedies are "wajibul katal"and that all ulema are united on this. How can you ask to stop the terrorists killing innocents when the people who teach them and bread them are left open to spread hate on the Media?
Fais123 Jun 17, 2010 05:38pm
@Abu Aayan & Aisha: If you skim through the blog, it will be evident that a lot of comments condemning the attacks have been published and rightly so for which DAWN deserves appreciation. Also you will see a lot of comments from ahmedis seeking to 'dispel our notions about them' and propagating their beliefs. However you will rarely find comments from muslims countering them and explaining reasons for exclusion of ahmedis by all muslims. This attitude is inherently biased. My dozen or so comments countering ahmedi religious beliefs have not been published yet.
Reader Jun 17, 2010 07:38pm
In India, which is secular, Ahmedis share same rights - why would they be any different than the myriads of religions that are practicing and thriving in India. So to say that Ahmedis are fighitng for their rights IN INDIA is a purposefully slandering statement.
Hatam Ahmad Jun 18, 2010 04:27am
This is the Irony of Pakistan, the community that have tried to work for the prosperity of Pakistan by providing Nobel Proze winner(Dr. Abdus Salam), Seceratory general of UNO and Jugde of the International Court of Justice(Sir Zafarullah Khan,1st foriegn minister of Pakistan), President of World Bank(Mirza Muzaffar Ahmad) and many more those have worked and are working in many well-enouned organizations. Many have given their lives for this mother land. General Nasir who faught 1965 War and 1971 War was also one on the shohada in these brutal attacks. It just reminds me of one poem my nasir kazmi...... baghban kon lahoo ki zaroorat pari.........sab say pehlay hamari hi gardan kati..... Phir bhi kehtay hain hum say ya ehal-e-chaman......Ya chaman hai hamara tumhara nahin.......
ITouchTheFuture Jun 18, 2010 04:36am
Peace to all! Thank you, Dawn, for this thoughtful article. Long live the spirit of truth and justice!
Abu Aayan Jun 18, 2010 12:56pm
This probably is something that someone told you about Ahmadies, like many other things about them. Did you watch the Program on TV in which Ghulam Ahmad sb came and he categorically rejected the same thing. When anchor asked him that "do you consider me Muslim". He said, "Yes, who am I to say you are not". When Ahmadies say that those who consider them "Kafir", are themselves "kafir" is because this is what is told by Holy Prophet peace be upon him. He mentioned in a Hadees, that since no one has a right to call anyone "kafir" or "non-Muslim", so if someone calls someone "kafir" or so, then his statement will have no impact on that person instead his own words will bounce back to him, and he himself will be considered a "kafir" by Almighty Allah. If ever an Ahmadi says it like this, then this is background. Since this is what Holy Prophet said, so who are we deny it. So you dont call anyone a "kafir", in return do not become a "kafir" in Allah's eyes. Simple .... But here everyone is busy otherwise
zehba Jun 18, 2010 06:37am
Ahmedis believe that only they are Muslims others are not and this is clearly stated in their literature! So we cant really find an easy solution to this!
ahmed Jun 18, 2010 12:47pm
Can you quote a book where they say this? A page maybe? Or even a sermon of some sorts? If it is a sermon or a speech, what was the place and time? Anything? Then maybe i can believe that an Ahmadi would say something like this.
Fais123 Jun 18, 2010 04:59pm
All liberal muslims commenting that ahmedis should have freedom to call themselves muslims, should know that Mr.Mirza declared and Ahmedis believe all of us (non-ahmedis) to be non-muslims. Proof is on ahmedi website itself: pg.56&57 of book (70&71 of acrobat reader)
Abu Aayan Jun 19, 2010 12:41pm
Thank you for pasting the link and reference. Not a single sentence in even the whole book says the Ahmadies consider non-Ahmadiies "NON-MUSLIM". It only talks of "Kufr" and "Kufffar". The word "Kufr" simply means the one who denies or rejects. And the same is being used in many places in literature also. At time in urdu people write as "Kon kafir tumhari baat ko jhutla raha hay" (Translation "Who kafir is denying your statement") etc. etc. There could be thousands of examples quoted. So in short "kafir" is simply a word used to express the rejection of some person, opinion or even the idea. For the same reason many sects have been claiming that other sects are "Kafir" I dont want to quote the statements as almost every sect has given such remarks about others (just go read newspapers). But when it comes to calling someone "NON-Muslim", than that is something too much to claim about. Even in Ahmadiyya Jama'at if someone is charged for any complain and the same is proved. That person is expelled. But the term that is used is "Expelled from the system of Jama'at". It is evident from this that even within our Jama'at we have the same concept. We don't say that person has become a "Non-Ahmadi", because we are no one to claim that he is an Ahmadi or not - matter of faith is only upto Allah to decide. What Jama'at can do is to simply announce that he is no more part of "System of Jama'at". So when we are careful about the believes of those who are within us then how can we claim all Muslims to be non-Muslims; which is too big of a matter in terms of faith.
Abu Aayan Jun 19, 2010 03:41pm
Common on Fais, stop complaining now ... We all can read your comments in which you have quoted references also. As Ayesha said beliefs cant be debated on Dawn's blog - this is no place for it. But if you are a positive minded person, then you urge will help you reach the conclusions with the help of Almighty Allah, InshaAllah. But please leave Allah's work on Him, and deciding about the faith is something that he did not even allow prophets to do..
Ahmed Hassan Jun 23, 2010 05:28am
Now that's an idea. seriously. some one man enough in Pakistan to wet his sleeves in Pakistani blood for our future good. A 21st century Joseph Stalin for Pakistan.