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Memoirs of a Hindu girl

Published Aug 20, 2012 06:17pm


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I grew up in fear – every face around me depicted nothing but fear. I am sure that the first expression on my parent’s face on my birth as a female child born to Hindu parents living in Kandhkot would have been that of fear also. Why did I bring so much fear into the lives of my parents? I grew up always wondering what is it about me that continues to terrify. But I always drew a blank. How naïve I was.

Before I knew it, the time to attend school had arrived. School was comfortable; however, there were times when I felt like an outsider, finding it difficult to gel in with rest of the majority. Perhaps the snide remarks and incidents of discrimination led me to believe that I am not one of ‘them’. Of those incidents, I still vividly remember no one eating with me and refusing to sip from the cup I drank from.

Home wasn’t very different either. My mother asked questions about my life at school and otherwise looking for answers that would somehow relinquish her from the unknown fear. Afraid to disappoint her, I realised very early in my life that my mother could not be my confidant.

Growing up was not easy.

And then it happened. The fears of my mother and many Hindu mothers like her materialised. I went out to one of the largest markets of Kandhkot and was abducted by a man I knew very well. He was none other than the guard who was responsible for safeguarding our temples.

Knowing his face well prompted me to sit with him in his car without protest, however, instead of taking me to my house he turned to an alley that I wasn’t too familiar with. Scared and unsure about what lay ahead I started screaming just to hear my abductor scream louder and threaten me. Astonished and unable to comprehend the gravity of the situation I sat still until it was time to step out of the car to a small house which looked abandoned.

We entered the house to find a large room devoid of any furniture and other bearings except for a carpet that covered the floor. I was made to sit down on the floor.

Uncertain about what was going to happen to me; my mind raced with thoughts of the recent news of the abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls. I sat there shuddering. The realisation struck me and I could see my entire life in front of me in kaleidoscope. My mother’s fears, my father’s warnings, the alienation I felt, the yearning to be a part of the circle of friends, the search for a confidant, a friend.

My worst fears were reaffirmed when a man wearing a turban entered the room to teach me about a religion which I grew up hearing about, however, felt no urge to practise or embrace. He kept sermonising me for hours but was unable to get me to listen to him, realising that he left asking me to ponder about the true religion.

His departure did not ignite any fire for eternal glory inside me but only made me wonder why did my parents not relocate to another country when they had the chance to do so? Why did they continue to live in fear waiting for the inevitable to happen instead of making a move to safer pastures? And, what made me think that I am any different from countless girls who are forced to change their faith?

Each passing day appeared to be more and more surreal. The ritual of preaching continued for days, I lost track. Eventually, when preaching did not do the trick, my abductor threatened me.

The routine ranging from threats to persuasion and from glorifying the paradise to the wrath of God for non-believers only made me wonder: Do we not all pray to the same God — a God who is manifested in nature, colours, happiness and love? Why would he punish me for being a Hindu?

Somewhere along this relentless persuasion, came that horrifying threat of harming my family – I gave in. My approval followed a small ceremony in which I was forced to embrace Islam and later married off to the man who will always be remembered as the ‘messiah’ who for saved me from the unknown territory of sin and infidelity I was treading on.

After the ceremony, instead of receiving blessings for a happy and prosperous life ahead, I was immediately escorted to a local court where a Muslim magistrate declared my conversion and marriage in accordance with the law.

The news of my conversion and marriage to a Muslim man spread like wildfire. I dreaded the moment of meeting my parents. I never wanted to see pain and agony on their faces let alone be the reason for all their grief. Sure enough, one look at my mother made me yearn for my own death.

I wanted to tell her that I love her and that her safety was all I had in mind when I converted. I wanted to tell my father to keep my sisters safe. I wanted to tell my brothers to leave the country whilst they still could. I wanted to say much more but their silent pain and suffering made me wish if only I wasn’t born a girl, if only I wasn’t born in Pakistan, if only I had the right to be myself and practise my faith without being herded into a religion that I failed to comprehend, if only I could make them all understand that there is just one God for all, if only I could give us all an identity that we rightly deserve.

Looking at all the faces that once seemed familiar; I wondered: who am I?

I am one but share the pain of many. I am Rachna Kumari, Rinkle Kumari, Manisha Kumari and the many more Hindu girls who will be forced to convert in Pakistan. I am the fear of their families and the agony that they undergo. I am the misery of those girls who die a little every day for the injustices done to them.

I am a minority living in an intolerant society.


Faiza Mirza
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Abdullah Aug 26, 2012 08:46am
Mr Rajesh.......clean ur own house first instead of trying to score a point about ours u got a tolerant sciety in india!!!!!!......thats a
Abdullah Aug 26, 2012 09:05am
Faiza Mirza Congrats.....u did a great job by inciting a indian pakistani hate a P........tic article...loll
Bilal Raza Aug 20, 2012 12:57pm
Be aware my friend, Pakistan was created by Jinnah. Jinnah was the man who spoke for minorities not once but on each and every draft he presented to Congress. Jinnah demanded that no bill could be passed in the assembly if two-third majority of that community opposed that bill. Jinnah mentioned this in Lucknow Pact (1916), Delhi Proposal(1927), Jinnah's famous 14 points (1929). In addition, Jinnah also demanded for separate electorate for all minorities. It was after Jinnah, that Muslims lost their tracks, somewhere in Zia's era.
zeeshan Aug 21, 2012 02:55pm
is this one a real story? who told this story to the writer? the didn't give any references. it seems that it is an imaginary one. against the ethics of journalism too.
tears Aug 25, 2012 03:50pm
though i can't imagine the misery you have gone through but I can fee the pain. May god help you and remain with you forever. I hope things will get better in future in Pakistan for hindu families.
Devil Aug 21, 2012 02:33pm
Currently its amongst one of the good countries and we are working very hard to make it 'The Best' in near future. I bet you will hear and I will see India reaching there, in my lifetime! Amen !!!!!
Roger Aug 20, 2012 02:39pm
Dear M. Salah - I have my own personal views on Religions. I believe, though, that conversion to Hinduism is a complex topic. As generally known, Hindus do not practice conversion, and anyone is free to practice it. However, I think there is also a way of being formally accepted into the Hindu fold. Roger
shabir Aug 20, 2012 02:35pm
islam is not preached this way...this is the way of ignorants..these so called islamic propagators have forgot how our prophet (s.a.w) taught islamic principles...he(s.a.w) preached islam by showing ppl the real blessings of islam by developing a character in himself that made ppl to accet islam...but not by this way...
Roto Corp Aug 24, 2012 03:32am
do you live in a fairyland? dont talk illlogicallty? muslims are killing muslims and non-muslims and you are parroting statements like " Islam was never spread through swords". have some shame left.
Vijay Gandhi Aug 24, 2012 06:11pm
Hey ,What r u talking about ? What is happening in Assam is not religious problem, u r deliberately putting others problem as yours, i don't know where u stay ,Position of Muslim in India is far better than in any country. yes we have problems in India, but its not that Muslim are only facing problems, But at least we are trying to sort it out. People like you who calls for Unity according to religion are making situation worse. Have you gone to Gujarat,Assam or Myanmmar , do u know the ground situations, and do u know problems of Shias or Ahmadis in Pakistan. More you think Religiously , More u will be singled out . Discrimination will stop when u will stop thinking, u r someone separate from others. Do u want to act like Hitler who was on drive of mass killings . Start to live as human being not as someone special. Then only we can find solution of our problems.
Sameer Aug 25, 2012 08:26am
You speak of Gujrat, but conveniently forget that more than 50 hindu pilgrims in Godhra (Gujrat) were burnt to death by frenzied muslim mobs. No muslims came out in protest to condemn it. What then followed was retribution by the majority community, which is again condemnable as two wrongs dont make one right. You talk about Assam, it is not about Hindus and Muslims there. It is about Bodo tribals and Bangladeshi settlers, the issue is about tribals being dispossessed from their land. You are ripe to be picked up by a Jihadi Organization and converted to a suicide bomber. Instead of raving and ranting, please correct your faults.
Deepak Aug 20, 2012 08:52am
Thanks Faiza for briniging up such an article . I truely salute you. You have a golden heart. I hope God send more people like you on this planet. I am a true Hindu but i can say one thing for sure...Islam is a peaceful religion but majority of muslims are not good people and Most muslims donot have true knowledge of Islam. They should first go through teaching of Islam thoroughly before doing such cruel deeds. Think by converting someone forcefully to Islam, will u be able to justify that to Allah. You are making life of his/her parents hell. By seeing all this, will the Allah send u in heaven. I am not saying all Hindus are good people but they never do forced conversions. Is Islam greater than Humanity. Allah will always say Humanity is greatest religion.
Solitar Aug 20, 2012 09:58am
Bulle Shah (1680-1757), a Muslim Punjabi mystic poet, humanist and philosopher was compelled to glimpse at the ever prevailing situation; Tear down the Mosque, tear down the temple Tear Down everything in sight But don’t break anyone’s heart For God lives there, CM Sayed Qaim Ali Shah whose province abounds in Hindu minority, instead of being sensitive to the burning issue and standing by the minorities, has always beaten about the bush and denied the facts about forced conversions. For him the minority community enjoys all facilities. Pakistan has been incapable of ensuring justice to minorities on account of malicious mullaism that has evolved into an ever living virus. It has never brought perpetrators to trial declaring those blasphemers in return, who by means of Islamic faith accuse others blasphemous and infidels, set their houses and properties on fire. Their unending terrorist acts lead innocent minds to psychological disorders leaving them in the lurch to wait for the last breath whereas the culprits remain at large as spectators at Colloseo.
Deepak Aug 20, 2012 08:44am
Its a Shame.. Now What happens when Hindus start killing and force coverting muslims? Is this taught by religion to force people to follow what somebody thinks is right? I am not muslim and wants to ask all the muslims to confirm, Is force conversion part of ISLAM? if not then, why people do it? do they think by forcing they will make Allah happy about it? I really dont belive how come ardent beliver of god can do the act which will never be acceptable by God.. I dont know what preaching do they get.. Religion is to connect to go not making others to connect by force. I wish atleast people should understand this... And this statement applies on everybody following any religion.
Jagdish Aug 21, 2012 02:33pm
I dont mean to belittle you, but India's secular credentials are accepted by the entire world. Indians though poor can hold their heads high in international community due its secularism and credibility. Many Pakistanis settled abroad actually introduce themselves as Indians to gain social and business acceptability.
Chanda Khan Aug 21, 2012 02:55pm
Ahmed Abad, Gujrat speaks much of a secular face of India where thousands of Muslims were killed brutally by Modi and hindu fanatics under a State sponsorship. Dedicating few top slots to Sikhs, Muslims, Dalits and Christians will not heal the wounds of deprivations and attrocities committed by Indian State on communal lines. Sikhs have no little memory to forget what Congress Government did to them after Indira Gandhi was killed and Muslims too, will never forget what BJP did to them. So, Mr S. Subrahmanyam, dont fool the world around with such examples. If India continues to adopt policies of Modi (aka future PM Modi) then many countries will surely emerge out of the map of India.
Umar Aug 20, 2012 12:43pm
Gud Article Fiza
Imran Aug 22, 2012 09:16am
So other than economic conditions and weather India is the best country to live in? Wah Gautam ji wah. If that is the choice for migrating then yes, I feel exactly the same way about Pakistan.Almost everyone who leaves Pakistan does so for economic reasons.
SSS Aug 20, 2012 02:39pm
Despite the rhetoric, revulsion, or the acts of the defensive league, I can only say, I am sorry to have read such a sad story of your life, not because you are a hindu converted to a muslim, but it would be equally painful to read if it was the opposite. May I wish peace for your tormented heart, compassion and forgiveness for the wrongful minded, and happiness for your future
Rashid Aug 22, 2012 09:17am
Hello Ms Writer, There are so many flaws in your story that it seems tailored rather than real. Whether tailored by you or the story teller, no idea. Hereunder i highlight only one basic flaw to avoid very long comment. If a person will abduct someone for forced converstion & marriage without any initial idea to the person being abducted, while in the room no one will ever do the first thing to send a preacher. Instead the first thing he will do to talk to her himself & ask her to convert because he wants to marry her & at that stage he might threaten her if she refuses or reluctant to do so. To send a preacher in the room being first step suggets both of them already having relationship & the girl already have the idea of her being taken to that place although being a girl she might be confused, afraid & even somehow reluctant at such final stage of their relationship.
tariq chandio Aug 21, 2012 09:27am
dear zaheer,,, Point to highlight such issues is not to devalue islam as we see same in other religions and societies but its abt perfection when we declare Islam as complete code of life,,best system for social development, we shall work extremely hard to make our societes the role models in these days of terror, barbarism, injustice, social deviance, and discrimnation but if we keep on defending our mistakes and sins,,, we will never create a model society when we will defend our mistake with others islam is a religion towards perfection and others arnt.. And such conversions not only impact image of Islam but promote our country, culture and society as biased. furthermore by such conversions,, those so called Mullahs and Pirs are not benefiting religion but despite by that those who want to convert by hearts will leav the love and will affirm to their faiths and at day of judgement Allah Almighty and our Prophet (P.B.U.H) will surely ask us that His hardwork where whole accepted as person of blessing and a true role model, was ruined by his ummah which was declared as Allah`s apostles on land. furthermore world and human nature always looks for errors and its absolute if a country have 100 good people and 10 bad everyone will condemn those 10. so stand up dont chant slogans on such conversions but be on side of justice.
Rashid Sultan Aug 21, 2012 09:12am
Don't my Pakistani brothers read Dawn? It appears to me that almost all the comments are from non Musalmaan Indians. Why? Are we suffering from a guilt complex or too frightened to speak our minds openly for the fear of facing the same fate as mixed race Musalmaan Taseer or the Christian Bhatti?
PKR Chowdhury Aug 22, 2012 09:12am
Allah is watching and He will take drastic action against all those who does wrong doings and sins in the name of Islam. Allah will also severely punish all those who has the mentality of Sharib 786.
Ehsan Aug 21, 2012 02:51pm
Please be honest, crime rate in India is nowhere near that of Pakistan. What happened in East Bengal is well documented by Hamoodur report, thousands of bengalees were killed and raped by Pakistani army systematically. What happens in Balochistan, Northern Areas is well known.. Rights of women in Pakistani is well know, Mukhtar mai's case is well known. A women who is raped is required to produce 4 witnesses to prove that she is innocent. The land of pure sacrifices its won citizens Ahemedis constitutionally. Atleast the government in India does not constitutionally sanction acts of this kind.
hira lal deb roy Aug 20, 2012 02:55pm
This age is of rationality, of science. Faith has challenges from reason backed by science and technology. Now in every society and religion, influence of faith and religion are decreasing. Religions except Islam are tolerant of reinterpretations of religion. However religion cannot survive the onslaught. Muslims are dogmatic in religious matters and practices. Either Muslims are to modify, reinterpret and adjust with the modern world of reason or remain in the outlook of middle ages when the whole world advances. Science support humanism which is modern day religion. Monotheism is anti democratic and intolerant of other religion. But polytheism is tolerant of other faith. Hindu basically accepts other religion without finality like the Kadianis (Ahmedias) in a sense. A Hindu may be an atheist, agnostic, monotheist or pantheist and so on.Science is killing all personal religions. Muslim world is lagging behind in science and so in military power. To survive is to accept science with its tolerance and humanistic values. Can Muslims accept Science and Reason? If not, their dooms-day has started.
secularIndian Aug 21, 2012 09:23am
mr SHoib khan' your defence argument is soooo weak and ludicrous that even your own fellow pakistanis must be laughing at you!
Bohemian Aug 21, 2012 09:22am
I just have to say one are an ignorant!
ahmad butt Aug 20, 2012 03:04pm
Ahhhhh what irony i have read all the comments and perspective from the Indian and Pakistani readers, and i can get the vibe of sense of achievement a proud white-race Britisher would feel reading them of what they have done with the subcontinent with their "divide and rule" policy. Hindus and Muslims back then werent better off that they are now, they have ingrained hate for each other based on religions bearing in mind we all were India once, will continue to have trouble in their backyard, while we control their abundance of resources via neo-colonialism, have their bright minds come to first-world countries with charging them visa fee and making them become tax-payers, having them go for a home mortgage and lock them in their land for 20-30 years, and then have their children grow up to be rebels and disown their past roots. Other fallout will be the fight over petty and major issues like (cricket and kashmir) , Im amazed to read the history of England, and their past with Scotland, Wales, Ireland and the North and what intrigues me is that after having a hateful past they have made amends. I would just ask such a mullah has the forced conversion done any significant change to the society, their family and Islam as a whole. I hope these religious zealots realise of backlash that overseas muslims face due to such stories making headlines, and those who do dawah work are taunted over such forced conversions. Till then there will be countless arguments and mindless bickering on forums, the conspiracy theories of why the partition occured will continue and we will succumb to the success of the hypocrisy of "white mans burden" where they claim to civilise the world but left it in tatters and despair.
Manish Aug 22, 2012 10:40am
Dear Hassan, Thanks for being so honest about your views. It's not about country or religion, it's more about prejudice one has for another religion. Hats off to the writer. With such people, I still hope Pakistan will be a better country in coming years...Manish
alien brahmin Aug 26, 2012 08:45am
its 100000 ( add more zeros to your convenience ) not 10000 muslims who got killed in gujrat . but you know who started it by burning karsevaks alive ? why you think only muslims has right to react and others should peacefully support and watch crimes committed by muslims ? its strange to see muslim started believing that there is no problem when muslims kills muslims and they will react violently only when non muslims kills a muslim . why dont you people react in the same manner when muslims are being killed by muslims be it in syria , iran and iraq or in pakistan where they have made it legal to kill shia and ahamediya muslims ?
An Indian Aug 25, 2012 11:16am
"All the resources are owned by Hindus. We have to work doubly hard to achieve something as all govt jobs are reserved for Hindus." I doubt you're from India. In my state, almost 60% of ministers are from the Indian Muslim League (IUML). We had a muslim President (Abdul Kalam). He's also father of India's missile programme. We're the only country where "Hajj" tickets are subsidised for the poor muslims. The list can go on and on. And Gujarat riots started when some Hindu pilgrims were burnt alive in a train. I'm in no way justifying the riots. But there's equal responsibility.
Brijesh Aug 25, 2012 09:31am
Infamous Gujarat riot of 2002 claimed lives of 790 Muslim & 254 Hindus. Riot is blot on humanity. But offenders shall be punished. Victims may lodge complaints/representation before various organisations i.e. Police, court, National Women Commission, national Human Right Commission, National Minority Commission etc. Have a patience and will to fight.Truth & Justice always prevail. Satyae mave jaytae.
Sameer Aug 25, 2012 07:54am
India is infinite times better. You speak of Gujrat, but conveniently forget that more than 50 hindu pilgrims in Godhra (Gujrat) were burnt to death by frenzied muslim mobs. No muslims came out in protest to condemn it. What then followed was retribution by the majority community, which is again condemnable as two wrongs dont make one right. The Police brands you terrorist, eh? Have you checked why? Most criminals are Muslims why? even when there are more than equal number of derived and destitute hindus. All the resources are owned by Hindus, you say? You know why? Because Muslims do not pay attention to education and have the lowest literacy rates, their main focus is learning islam in Madarasas, now what job would you expect to get? And do Hindus even get "rubber stamp positions" in Pakistan? How many become PM or President in 60 years? And yes you have a choice, please migrate to Pakistan, where you will be a mohajir for the rest of your life.
Shantanu, India Aug 25, 2012 10:07am
Fazal-Make merry in your choices-The decadence of Pakistan is obvious as even literate people like you ( your written ENglish proves the same) are judging humans on the religion they are from ! Faiza- take a bow to your article!
rehan khan Aug 24, 2012 03:39am
what is happening with the hindu's in pakistan is a shame , what about the muslim girls in india who are raped , killed , butchered with such a huge figure and still there is no media to show or cover that , so the story teller should also think a little for highlighting the problems which muslim are facing in india ,,
Vijay Gandhi Aug 24, 2012 06:19pm
ariel Aug 27, 2012 06:52am
The Uzairs of the Islamic world are only expected to comment in this fashion. What this article has brought to the fore is the state's acquiescence or even connivance in these conversions. Pak's radical society continues to behave in an inhuman and ghastly manner. It is time that the international community intervenes in Pak.
Partha Aug 27, 2012 03:41am
Religious intolerance is at high everywhere, just the form and intensity differs. Not sure exactly why we love to hate others so much when the basic quality as a human being that we have is love. Although its a story in Pakisthan, but I am sure that same story is getting replicated in nooks and corners across Bangladesh, India. Hatred among Hindus and Muslims are so high that its coming out in its dreaded form everywhere. I myself have grown up with Muslim friends, we used to have everything togather, including lunch. At days when they used to bring beef, they will excuse themselves from sharing saying they have brought beef and will not share. Isn't that nice. Why can't we live like the way we used to when we were kids ?
Dwijendra Kashyap Aug 24, 2012 07:11pm
Dear Brothers and sisters, Fortunately, my country and countrymen (of all religions) do not live in continuous terror due to belonging to any religious community. Unfortunately, the corrupt and vote hunger politicians use poor countrymen (of all religions) to create differences for getting votes. My countrymen (of all religions) are suffering from corruption, poverty and low level of higher education. While religion can give certain degree of peace of mind, the bread and butter comes from economic prosperity. Those who associate themselves with religious and political leaders blindly only do harm of their own poor fellow countrymen. The real God lives beyond sectarian religious practices and HE keeps himself far away from such places where a human being lives in fear because of sectarian practices.
Truth Aug 28, 2012 03:48am
What a heartless monster you are, Mr Aly. To make fun of someone oppressed and violated. May be you will understand when the same fate befalls you and yours. May Justice be done, Amen! Or should I say, Insha Allah!!
Syed Jafar Aug 28, 2012 03:46am
OK My Bhavin. I was not implying that there are any atrocities happening. The point was that even if there was such a thing, it should be not be used as a reason to harm any Hindu in Pakistan. That will not help or do any good. We are all human beings and Pakistanis, and should learn to live together with peace. Poor leadership can cause a lot of harm by misguiding ppl and only masses end up paying the price. Its time for all of us to wake up and see the big picture. Together we can become stronger and focus on important and bigger things.
Giriraj.G. Aug 24, 2012 07:40pm
Zeeshan,the only difference between your community in India and Hitler is that, you people kill hindus in instalments and the germans do it on a massive scale.Its always easy that way, not many people would know your game plan.I am not a right wing hindu supporter,but facts are facts don't ALWAYS SAY THINGS THAT ARE CONVENIENT AND COMFORTABLE TO YOU OR YOUR COMMUNITY IN INDIA, truth is always bitter my friend.When you say or comment facts,always say both the sides of the story don't just say twisted stories to further your cause,explain each of the bomb blasts that happened in India caused by people of your community and then comment about Gujarat riots.Since you are hell bent like other rabid and heretic members of your community to keep harking back to Gujarat riots,so it would do a world of good to explain about each blast that your community orchestrated and planned throughout India starting from the 1993 todate.You kill people at the drop of a hat,don't need a particular reason for that later justify it with some outrageous and vague explanation.Its also a known fact that your people(muslims) can't stand other indigenous communities in our ancient land,you would gladly coerce them to convert,but why can't you let those communities be the way they are.Your community wouldn't mind killing anyone from the other community,but if the same individual were to convert to your religion you would never do it,I just don't understand the logic,before conversion he was the same individual and after the conversion he was the same individual,by just having a nomenclature doesn't make him different.As I have said to you earlier,the country would be better place without you,you are welcome to leave this country,nobody wants you or want anything to do with you.Leave with your family and relations as soon as possible,there are many Arab nation s willing to help you,so you are free to go.
Giriraj.G. Aug 24, 2012 06:57pm
A rabid guy like you now wants to enter the defence services of the Indian armed forces, after critcising the Indian government and the people of India.You should find a place for yourself in the middle east, that's exactly THE PLACE for a person like you who harbours hatred towards anything Indian and moreover you expect the hindu majority to quit and give jobs and services to people like you,for what purpose so that you can become another traitor.The whole majority of Indian public know persons like you pretty well,if you don't like the country please leave,nobody wants you or people like you in this country,so quit to some gulf country which will provide you safe haven for all YOUR FAVOURITE ACTIVITIES like having a harem of wives,procreating and having as many children you want (not your job to look after them so that you can blame the whole world for not taking care of them and later blame the whole world for all the ills in your life),kill as many people you want in the name of religion for apparently no fault of theirs and finally consume as many dates and meat you want, that's what you are fit for..People like you don't even have the slightest loyalty for the country ,hence why do you clamour to have a government job.Also don't forget the number of hindus killed by muslim terrorists in the mumbai bomb blasts(93),bomb blasts in the local trains very recently,Delhi bomb blasts,bomb blasts in the holy town of varanasi while the aarti of the holy river ganges was to have commenced,to name a few , hence don't keep "harking back to the Gujarat always", "two wrongs make no right", we all know , but you and your community has made it a habit to keep giving that EXCUSE ALWAYS for all the bomb blasts and attacks which will never serve you any purpose.You just can't fool around and go back to Gujarat riots,if that is the case then what about all the killings in the pre independence(pre mughal period killings of hindus,post mughal period killings of hindus) and post independence era,where a lot of hindus(running into lakhs totally for various battles,now no vague,outrageous explanation will be accepted) were killed by muslim rulers FOR THEIR WHIMS AND FANCIES,so its always better to keep your mouth shut and don't want your guidance or piece of mind,we are very well aware of our history.
Bhavna Aug 27, 2012 06:50am
Mr. Uzair, for your information no one can be made hindu by conversion. A person is hindu by birth only. Anyways, best wishes for you and god bless u.
JOGINDER KUMAR GERA Aug 24, 2012 07:50pm
It's not only true for Pakistani Hindus only but I am sure it's true for all Pakistanis. All of them are suffering. If given an opportunity they would like to emigrate.
Serendippp Aug 24, 2012 08:04pm
Just be informed please that one can only be born hindu; there is no conversion possible to hinduism. That apart, agreeing to convert only to prove your love is ridiculous.
SK Aug 26, 2012 09:02am
Ms Faiza Mirza, I'm a Hindu living in US. In US I live with people of all nationality and faiths, which made me think and very curious about worlds different religions. I spent some time to understand about it and start going to Church to understand Chrichanity. Since I'm from India and had several Muslim friends I can say probably I know Islam second to my own religions. After spending time to understand verious religions and visiting several famous churches and countries including Isreal, during my quest to know about religion and GOD, I read and heard Chritopher Hitchens and a big fan of Stephans Hawkins. I come to one conclusion that most of the so called religious people and organized religions pollutes ones mind. There is no truth in it as long as one uses his common sense and does not hurts another human or lives he will get salvation and if there is a GOD, HE will be pleased. This article tells me that you are above religion and a true human being. You are a voice of unheards and you are an example who believes in freedom of thought, justice and equality. THIS WORLD NEEDS FULL OF FAIZA MIRZA TO MAKE IT BEAUTUFUL. PLS KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK AND USE THE POWER OF YOUR PEN TO BE A VOICE OF A SUFFERER IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION OR RACE. IF YOU VISIT TO US AND HAVE TIME PLS SEND A MAIL TO ME. I WOULD LIKE TO MEET YOU IN PERSON TO SAY THANK YOU.
Abdullah Aug 26, 2012 08:56am
State Sponsored Human Right Abuses In INDIA......... There are numerous reports that the government and its agents committed arbitrary or unlawful killings, including extrajudicial killings of suspected criminals and insurgents, especially in areas of conflict such as Jammu and Kashmir, the Northeastern States, and the Naxalite belt. According to the Institute for Conflict Management, as of October 17, there were 1,616 fatalities in the country--which included individuals classified by the government as terrorists, and civilians
Kumar Aug 26, 2012 09:24am
CNN breaking news......a pakistani writer of DAWN........rose to fame in INDIA within a few hours by speaking up for the HINDUS of .....short cut to fame......;-)
Abdullah Aug 26, 2012 08:49am
Mr jagdish..i know wat ur BJP n Shiv Sena does..........MURDERERS of Muslims in india
Max Meyer Aug 24, 2012 11:47am
Ma'am with all due respect, there's a difference between an association you willingly made and then the following complications... but the case described above talks about forceful compulsion. That also without the involvement of any personal bias or feelings.
BINOD Aug 24, 2012 12:30pm
Zimbo Indian Aug 20, 2012 12:38pm
Until about 600 years ago there were hardly any Muslims in India. During Mughal rule Islam spread across India (mostly north). The spread was mostly by force. Mughals imposed Jaziya tax on Hindus. The poor ones often converted to Islam to avoid Jaziya. Mughals also indulged in abduction and forced conversion of unmarried Hindu girls (just as what is happening in Pakistan now). Hindus resorted to marrying off their daughters in childhood itself to avoid abductions by Mughal soldiers. Thus most Muslims of the sub continent owe their Islamic status to the sword of some ancesters. In fact, if they trace their family history closely, they may find that their great-great-great-great grand mother was a Rinkle Kumari.
mbhagawat Aug 20, 2012 10:21am
All those hindus who remained in Pakistan which is a islamic nation were to be blamed for their troubles.In the last 66 years after partition when most of the hindus Sikhs migrated to Hindustan they ought to have but they remained in Pkistan at their own will although knowing fully well that in a country of muslims it is unthinkable.Why they dont migrate to India in last 66 years?In a fundamentalist society of muslims where every non muslims are treated as Kafir and liable for conversion to islam or killed their remaining in Pakistan is sadly Mistaken.Now only way is to migrate to Hindustan and live a peaceful life.One Thing we want to say that India is also not safe in many states in WB ASSAM NE Kerala UP Bihar hindus are not safe and they may have to migrate to other states where muslims are still not yet invaded.
rajeesh Aug 20, 2012 08:51am
Hats off to the reporter ..
Ehsan Aug 21, 2012 02:59pm
Good for you. I have stayed in Saudi Arabia for 18 years, you can never become a citizen there for buy land. An Arab will never marry their daughter to a non Arab Muslim. You will always remain an inferior muslim for them. Feel free to feel more an Arab than your fellow linguist across the border.
imdad Aug 21, 2012 02:30pm
I read this article with a HINDU friend. She wanted to tell horror stories in INDIA and other places she had lived. Her comments were as terrifying as this story. We claim to best creation. Human beings the worst kind of animals. Religion, color, race does not matter. We will justify any crime as long as you are not the victim. Shame on all of us who behave like this, In this story shame on Pakistan who are harrowing other Pakistan.
Md.Ahmad Khan Aug 21, 2012 02:30pm
Very True Deepak,They are not true Muslim.Islam never justify forceful conversion. "DILSHIKNEE IS MORE SINFUL THAN DEMOLISHING OF KABA, DILDUKHANA KABA KO DHANE SE BARA GUNAH HAI" THE WRITER SEEMS TO BE A TRUE PERSON RATHER THAN TRUE MUSLIM. Therefore all muslims cant be blamed for sinful act. The Act of those dacoits/terrorist cant be taken into account of all Muslims. so cant be related to act of Islam. Many of the dignified people,intelectuals who have expressed their views seems lacking knowledge of fundamentals of Islam. Islam should not be blamed for the act of terrorist/notorious who are not religious. The slogans of Humanity/brother- hood called by Sufi Saints Khwaja Gareeb Nawaz Ajmershareef, Hz Nizamuddin Auli,HZ. Ameerkhusru ( Mera Pai Ghar ayay o raamji.....) have never distinguished between two religion.They taught them lession of humanity,brotherhood rather than hatredness . One cant find a single instance in the Sufi era. These Deobandees, Jamaati people, wahabees are the root cause. Therefore my dear bros&sisters pls do not see all Muslims with spec. of baisness.
knanjund Aug 22, 2012 03:06pm
Living in denial right ..
G Valliazham Aug 20, 2012 12:41pm
Congratulation Faiza for this story. I am an Indian and a well wisher of Pakistan, who keeps on wishing for the day when Pakistani Muslims and people of other religion there live together in peace and harmony , with tolerence for the faith they believe and practice. The Indian situation may not be perfect, but overall, the Muslims are free and comfortable here. I do pray and hope for, at least the same comfort is assured for the people of other religion in Pakistan in the near future.
TheseusIam Aug 20, 2012 01:16pm
Fiction which has been repeated too often in the real world in Pakistan.
uthmanmalik Aug 20, 2012 11:12am
I am sorry but I want to know from the author who this girl is? I grew up in Pakistan beside Sindhi Hindu family friends and cannot see any relation to this story. In fact just few hours back I was responding to Eid wishes of one of our Hindu family friends. I will like Dawn to clarify if this is a piece of fiction or a real report - because at the moment it is being portrayed as a REAL INCIDENT. p.s. before our neighboring Indians jump on this comment, my question is from the author or Dawn only!
mlpnko Aug 20, 2012 12:40pm
ppp pml anp mqm and all did get my message also pakistan army, pak intell and all of pakistan.
Indian Aug 20, 2012 09:58am
you mean the NEW CAR that runs on water???!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mojo Aug 20, 2012 09:59am
Pakistan was a dominion from 1947-1956 - officially the Dominion of Pakistan. Bengalis like Suhrawardy (Awami League), Mahmud Ali (Gantantari Dal) and Maulana Bhashani had insisted on the new state being named the Republic of Pakistan. Blame the Punjabis, military and bureaucracy for the state of affairs. They also forced One Unit upon western Pakistan.
zaira Aug 20, 2012 10:02am
"islam was spread through sword" the Pope is correct. They are still living in barbarian culture and there has not been any intellectual growth.
Practical Aug 20, 2012 10:02am
If they have shame then they will be ashamed
Jay Aug 20, 2012 10:49am
This is preposterous- Faiza is posting an entirely fictional account and fanning the hatred.
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 10:12am
the Pakistan of today uses the majority religion as a blanket under which to do despicable deeds - and as the blanket is divine, they think they are getting away with it. No one questions the role of the blanket covering the crime, as that will cause all hell to break lose. Well, forced conversion in the Holy Book or not, it is propagated by the Respected Readers' of the Book, the maulanas later amid major celebrations of bringing in another unbeliever into the fold of the blanket. The wishy washy liberals can't take a stand, the rest of the conservatives join in with silent celebrations (let's act normal outside, but ander laddoo phoot rahe hain...another kaafir converted , yeah !). So, life goes on . Story of Pakistan and pakistanis.
Karachi Wala Aug 20, 2012 10:14am
Qasim, before posting this comment you should have looked in the mirror and felt ashamed of yourself. Do you really want sane people to believe that in " Islamic Republic of Paistan" a Qadyani or a Hindu is given preference over pious muslims like yourself? In reality, your brother pose non muslim minority, so they can buy alcohol and celeberate the conversion of Rinkle Kumari. Again shame on your warped thinking.
Malik Aug 20, 2012 10:19am
Thanks Bro, I am an indian practicing muslim and believe u me i haven't been able to understand the Islam of Pakistan.Some times i thank God for having created people like zakir nayak,who taught logic and sense of Islam.These traditional Mullas might have had me converted to an atheist.I grew up with my Hindu friends(my hostel room mates) and when ever even today i visit their house i don't feel it is any different from mine.
Kaly Aug 20, 2012 11:10am
A J Aug 20, 2012 11:13am
Hats off to you lady, for writing such a piece! And well, as you mentioned, it may be happening around in your country too. Thank you for looking at things from the perspective of a woman, understanding her pains and yes, for putting into words. God bless you.
sundar Aug 21, 2012 03:04pm
Himanshu , its easy to make generous comments but you are doing a disservice to the suffering minorities in pakistan when you equate condition of minorities in India with Pakistan .. Forget about kidnap and conversion , you know the reason provided for 60 people including women and children burnt to death in Godhra , that preceded Gujarat riots ? that hindus misbehaved with a muslim girl .. last week 60 cops were thrashed by muslims and destroyed veteran's memorials in Mumbai because they were angry at Burma ( and Assam ) after a lawmaker threatened the nation in parliament that muslims will take revenge ... can you imagine that happening in pakistan ?
Tash Aug 21, 2012 03:05pm
Dont judge Islam based on the actions of a few, if you want to judge Islam then read the source. We don't judge Christians based on the American actions in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, or even Iran now. If Islam was spread by the sword why do over 60 million Christians remain in the Arabian continent, why were they not forced to convert? I ask you to prove to me when did our Prophet (saws) force anyone to convert? The first pillar of Islam is "Testament of faith on your own free will" Just because a few people are doing wrong DONT BLAME ISLAM!!!
Roger Aug 20, 2012 11:15am
@Simple Human Being - Your statement about one god, etc. mix religion and culture freely, and in some sense reveals ignorance (and I mean that in a religious sense, not as a personal attack).. I am a proud Indian and Hindu too. But in my allegiance to a certain Order that I think I believe in, I have millions of others who co-religionists (not in the traditional format) who are Hindu, Muslim, Sikhs, Christian, Buddhists, etc. In my own humble opinion, Koran's Sura 2 verse 286 seeks strength for realization of God, and is very similar to our concept of seeking Nirvana. The above referred verse is interpreted along with relevant Hadiths, to imply that there are two necessary conditions to get to paradise being (a) your own 'Deeds' and (b) God's willingness to forgive - which is akin to our concept of Karma and our ways to seek absolution that enable us to overcome our Karma. All religions have foundational, theistic philosophies, For the Abrahamic religions, at the philosophical level, there is a concept of the Absolute God - Allah or the Almighty. Hindu theistic philosophies as derived from the Bhagvad Gita, also does - Advaita and Dvaita - except that Dvaita qualifies it with the concept of duality. On the other hand, for those familiar with philosophical theism, which allows for comparison between various beliefs in God, the concept of personal god - where one personalizes relationship with God or Allah - is prevalent in ALL religions, including Islam. These relationships are eased by the wisdom of certain attributes to that God. Without this personal relationship there is no way the two conditions laid upon the Muslims in Sura 2, Verse 286 can be met. These would be the interpretations derived from Shahi Al-Bukhari, Hinduism enables this via the Hindu-Pantheon - i.e. the Dasa Avatars etc. where we go one step further and ascribe Darwinistic attributes to ALL living creatures. Hence you see Hindu reverence to Lord Ganesh (the Elephant God), Hanuman (Monkey God), etc., but clearly left to the individuals who develop their relationships (read Dr. Radhakrishnan). In Christianity, the concept of the Trinity (especially the Father and the Son) allows for the personal relationship. Similarly, in Shia Islam too, though the attributes for personalization are different from the Sunni traditions - as will be evident from the Nahj al-Bal Agha. All other 'religious' prescriptions - be it the Salat or Sawm for he Muslims, or the Amavasya vrats and poojas for the Hindus are similar.- and are prescribed deeds for personal discipline on the road to that promised Realization of God. Having been derived from different traditions they have been given different forms and names. Beyond these, all other practices are cultural in nature.. it is unfortunate indeed, that we in the modern world do not raise above our own pettiness to realize the wisdom of the ancients. Peace & happiness to all during Eidul Fitr Roger
Nasiroski Aug 20, 2012 11:16am
Very well put, so what needs to be done here?? I live abroad, how can I help any suggestions??
Mohammad Khan Aug 20, 2012 03:07pm
Forced conversion is strictly forbidden in Islam. People who do that, do so through ignorance and of course it's the duty of the Government to stop this cruel act.These people will be cursed in this world and they should be told forcefully that they don't do any service to the Religion of Peace.
bittoo Aug 20, 2012 03:06pm
Deepak Aug 20, 2012 09:57am
Why would people get into this kind of crime against women. Again take the example of Shafilea Ahmed, her story is so sad.
sreejith Aug 20, 2012 09:56am
disgusted, ur name itself shows the intolerance. when you speak about Assam, u say thousands of muslims killed? its definitely no the case . infact Bangladeshi muslims immigrated illegally into Indian states of Assam and west bengal and snatch away the economic opportunities of indegenous Bodo tribal people and demografically overpower them. In the violence in Assam, the foreign bangladeshi muslims as well as ordinary indian hindus suffered. It was not a one-sided case. In Gujarat 2002, the Political parties except BJP kept mum when muslims burnt and charred to death 54 karsevak hindus when they were returning from Ayodhya. This attack on Majority community by minority muslims deeply wounded hindu-psyche and caused Anti-muslim riots in Gujarat. In Kashmir, the ordinary people are killed in crossfire between Army and terrorist infiltrators. Any former muslim is marked for death because he converted to other religion. the British India was divided on the basis of Religion and if anybody is not happy to live in India, he is free to move to Pakistan. Nobody is stopping him. Indeed fanaticism is an evil thing worse than killing. Even Shias , ahmedis and other sects in sunni islam are not safe in Pakistan. What to speak about Hindu, Sikh or christian minorities?
nak Aug 20, 2012 09:56am
Hey - as an Indian I would not say that what is happening in a particular country is right or wrong, though it is my strong belief that ones destiny (religion included) cannot be ruled and written by others. if the things do boil down to that then what was happening in Orissa a few years back is similar to what is happening with Hindus in Pakistan. It would be wrong to say that all is well in Pakistan for non muslims as you form less than 5% of the entire polulation and as the saying goes 'when in rome be the romans' else perish or defect....
rk singh Aug 20, 2012 09:55am
I am sure most Pakistanis get converted the same way.
Vineeth Aug 20, 2012 09:50am
Going by news reports, when Hindu families in Pakistan feel threatened, they try to migrate to India in silence. When Muslims in India feel that their co-religionists in Assam and Myanmar were threatened, they held rallies, thrashed policemen, burned vehicles and disfigured Buddha statue in Mumbai and Lucknow, seemingly without any fear of reprisals. Why this dichotomy, I wonder..
Mojo Aug 20, 2012 10:10am
Pakistan had a 22% non-Muslim population in 1947, but this included both eastern and western Pakistan. In 1971 when Pakistan split it lost most of its population along with a majority of its non-Muslim citizens.
M. Salah Aug 20, 2012 09:46am
digusted there is no conversion in Hindu. Muslim can not be converted to Hindu even if he/she wants. There is no pracise in Hindu relegion. Please read first..
Deepak Aug 20, 2012 08:49am
Hats off to the write for her courage. I belive educated society in pakistan is very much mature and they understand religion more than the people who pretend to be a master of religion. I wish a Safe life and career.
pawan Aug 20, 2012 08:48am
such behaviours of muslims only show that they have outraged islam by justifying whatever countries like usa, israel are doing in and against muslim countries. frankly speaking such attitude only refects lumpen mindset at the cost of islam. shame on you come out of tribal mindset. if ever there will be final war against islam it wont be fought in terms of numbers but through atomic bombs and other technology. also such attitude tentamounts to sadism. at the end of the you may succeed in forcing some more to accept islam but never forget in the process the loss of credibility also takes away lives of many more muslis across the world. brother be wise and grow up otherwise your future seem very bleak.
taranveer Singh Aug 20, 2012 09:46am
again with tears in eyes I am confused who is more beautiful faiza herself or her thinking. both are awesome.
knanjund Aug 22, 2012 02:58pm
Why are participants comparing the situation with that in India , India is not a failed state like the other. Comparison is between near equals
Ehsan Aug 21, 2012 02:35pm
You can't compare India with Pakistan anymore sir. An Hindu can never become the PM or President of Pakistan or head of Pakistani Army. An hindu cannot even be the vice captain of the Pakistani Cricket team !
Dr Shankarlal Aug 20, 2012 08:46am
great article Faiza behn. i realy appriciate ur courage to write such a wonderful story. again aap ki himat ko bar bar jhuk kr salam.
Mohammed Ali Aug 22, 2012 09:13am
These are shameless hippo crates who commit crimes in the name of religion, a pregnant Hindu women constable who died was one among many who was molested in the recent Mumbai Riots by Muslims in the month of Ramadan. they killed policeman and injured 50+ while fasting in the holy month.
Karthik Aug 21, 2012 09:17am
Pakistan has a lot of chinks in its armour for someone who keeps questioning India on human rights abuses in Kashmir. A good daring article. But i dont think things will change in Pakistan. The only option for Pakistani nationals is to get a visa to India and not return back. Better to be an illegal in India than to be legal in Pakistan
Omer Aug 21, 2012 02:57pm
If you just read the comments that the worthy readers have to make you ll find the reason why this all is happening. It is jumping into conclusion without even thinking about the broader picture. How many of the readers have actually read the Islamic teachings themselves without being blinded by what the Mullahs have to say. Islam does not preach coercion in any form. Even in the times of the holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) people were never forced to convert. Unfortunately people today never miss a chance at pointing fingers towards Islam for the actions of few individuals or a society. If we Pakistanis as a society have fallen from grace and human values Islam has nothing to do with it. Its only because we have drifted from the actual teachings of Islam that we hear such stories. Even India has problems when it comes to dealing with people belonging to different faiths. If this would not have been a case than Gujrat violence and Babri Mosque incidents should never have occurred. I am in my professional life now and I have had hindu friends in school and college. So much so that i remember a girl in my class who was hindu but she used to get more marks than us in Islamiat :)..and it was not that she was forced to study Islamiat. So every country has its set of probems but singling out a religion to be the root cause of those problems is extremely unfair.
Umer Aug 20, 2012 02:25pm
Think before u write -------- This type of articles might create problems for muslim community in India. ( Not to say that hindus aren't suffering here). This whole issue needs to be dealt with on community level rather than making a fuss on media.
Dingana Aug 20, 2012 02:24pm
Human created axe. Axe falled on his leg. Some cursed the Axe. Some cursed the wood. But non cursed the Human.
SecularIndian Aug 20, 2012 02:21pm
We indians are proud to say that India is the most secular country on earth, even more than the US . If Subramanyams letter is not proof enough, what else is??
Naseer Aug 21, 2012 02:40pm
Muslim forget there basic priciples and teaches of Islam, need to read again in pakistan, hate, hate message spreading, conversion to non muslim, terrorist organisztion spreading from karachi to KP, punjab, sindh, kashmir etc.
memon Aug 22, 2012 10:40am
Instead writing stories the writer should present the evidence to SC so the truth will come our and people would like to know the facts.
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:46pm
Muslim rulers were generally NOT liberal (Akbar and some Nawabs of Awadh were exceptions). The liberal voices like Bahadur Shah Zafar and Dara Shikoh (Shah Jehan's eldest son) were too weak to stand up to the likes of Aurangzeb and Babar.
nationalist Aug 21, 2012 02:46pm
first of all,let me congratulate and salute Ms.Faiza for such a truth and eye opener article and big applause for dawn as well.I am pakistani hindu living in sindh,whatever reflected in article is 100% true .if u want to contra check the plight of all the hindus who converetd theirselves or were coverted.just give them asylum in neautral country and then ask them whether they opted the islam of their own or were coerced/threatened to do so.Many converted Hindu Girls are sold like slaves and used for other purposes.Those pakistani friends who balme this artricle as fiction,need to unerstand this brutality has been havocked on hindus since partition.THat is very clear from the fact that hindus accounted for 20% of population at the time of partition,now it is less than 2%
Jagga Aug 20, 2012 02:15pm
Well Shame on Indians as well for storming into Golden Temple and killing thousand Sikhs and also filling streets of Dehli with Sikh blood.. Shame on Indians for killing and raping 60,000 Kasmiries since 1990. As the famous saying goes "BAGAL MEIN CHOORI MOUN MEIN RAM RAM"....
mohabbat Aug 20, 2012 02:12pm
Jagga Aug 20, 2012 02:10pm
ohh you meant to say when they fought off the Crusaders who butchered all Jews and Muslim when they took over Israel? And btw they were sent by Roman Popes.. So should say Christianity was spread through sword? No i wont say that because i know it is the people who use religion to fullfill their Satanic ambitions.
rohit Aug 21, 2012 08:47am
Dear friends I think those people who are involving in such incidents are not mentally matured.. friends either they are not matured well or they are unemployed substances having nothing to do. I feel equal respect when i see towards a temple or maszid..
Jagga Aug 20, 2012 02:06pm
I am not sure how much truth this story holds but i can certainly say that Islam does not preach this. This act is done by some crazy fanatics who sees Islam different. This reporter should be asked for her findings. And as for all Indians bashing Islam and Pakistan, this happens in every society, dont forget whats happening in Kasmir, Assam, Gujrat and various other Indian cities. The difference here is the Indian media do not report such incidents. So stop posting these hateful messages.
Malik Aug 20, 2012 02:03pm
how about u killing thousands of Kashmiries and killing thousands of girls the day they r born and killing and discriminating thousand of muslims living in your country
Cyrus Howell Aug 20, 2012 02:01pm
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it and to institute a New Government. it is their Right, and it is their Duty, to throw off such a government..." Thomas Jefferson
Guest Aug 20, 2012 01:59pm
Jinnah was more secular than gandhi..when gandhi wanted to bring the Khilafat Movement to india, Jinnah said don't bring religion into politics. Jinnah's dream of what Pakistan should be has been lost
john Aug 20, 2012 01:59pm
pakistan is doomed
Ary Aug 20, 2012 01:56pm
I am a Hindu from Pakistan and Pakistan is more like a Insane society - always comparing with India rather than looking inside. God bless the intorlorance society of Pakistan.. I am not out Pakistan and soon will not be called a Pakistani.
Bohemian Aug 21, 2012 08:52am
What pakistan really needs....and deserves, is plenty of drones flying all over pakistan-not only in the skies of FATA- picking and choosing targets....Do you dare to publish this post?
Rafi Aug 20, 2012 01:54pm
The HIndus in both the countries were thinking the same that Islam is a tolerant and peaceful religion. This is why many HIndus stayed back in Pakistan and Many Muslims were allowed to stay back in India. Now, Hindus In India as well as Pakistan Know better. It is already too late for Pakistani HIndus because they have gone from 20% to <2% of the population, and you now know how Pakistani muslims accomplished this task. Unfortunately, the cancer of fundamentalism has spread to Indian muslims too, and it is just a matter of time when the cancer will kill all non-muslims in India over the next 100 years. There is no cure found for fundamentalism yet just as there is no cure for cancer yet.
ejaz Aug 20, 2012 01:53pm
oh it's fabricated! i thought it was a real memoir!
Shehryar Ahmed, MD. Aug 20, 2012 01:52pm
I am a US-trained, Pakistani doctor and am in no way involved in this Hindu woman's alleged conversion. Yet, the woman, the blogger writing her story and of course, most of the posters, blame 'Pakistan', the entire nation, for her plight. I say to all three: Most Pakistanis are tolerant and good citizens, and I am proud to be one of them. Please, don't generalize or point your finger at Pakistan rather get hold of the turbaned guy who tried to sermonize her. I feel offended and defamed.
Luqman Aug 20, 2012 01:52pm
It's not the write who is creating that bad image of OUR country. It's US who are creating a bad image of our country and religion. We should wake up before it's too late. It's not the Pakistan of our quaid. I want to get rid of these Mullahs who first opposed the creation of this country and now are try their level best to destroy it.
shaoib khan Aug 21, 2012 08:52am
It is all encouraging to read what you have said this is a very thin crust of a veneer but underneath you see the bigotry you have in your country you only have to live there to feel the reality.
raika45 Aug 20, 2012 01:51pm
Why is it when such things happen here, no Hindu community elsewhere objects including your fellow muslim countries.Yet when something happens to you muslims like in Myanmar and Assam, your whole muslim umah gets into an uproar.Where is this respect of others as stated by your Prophet? With your such doings and your belsehmy [spelling] law , no wonder Pakistan has no standing in the ordinary man in the non muslim world.
junaid Aug 20, 2012 01:50pm
I don't know Faiza from where you have extracted this story or it is written by you. I have many Hindu friends but I don't think they have been forced by any Muslim in Pakistan for the conversion.
skylark Aug 21, 2012 08:53am
EITHER you write your own history or have to believe other historians of the world. world has changed , i don't know which world you live in but not long ago ,3 millions of bangladeshi wer killed and it was denied by pakistan in staright face in UNO.auragazeb did kill all the siblings and confined father untildeath. i am not here to teach you history lessons but it's completely wrong that islam came before mughal. islam was discovered in7th century and came to india in 9th century with mughal. hindu caste system had nothing to any conversion. then mayawati and whole of dalits still in india would have converted to islam.
Imran Aug 22, 2012 09:20am
Oh sir jee Indians are angels. You people are Gods chosen people. Even Indian dogs are smarter than Pakistani dogs. Indian ice -cream is smarter than Pakistani ice-cream. India is paradise on earth. India is better than USA to live in. Please please please let me in your country. Happy?
Cyrus Howell Aug 20, 2012 01:47pm
Western civilization is the only civilization that liberated man from his illusions and shackles; it recognized his individuality and provided him with capabilities and opportunities to cultivate himself and realize his aspirations. Ibrahim Al-Buleihi Mob rule is not law and order. They are angry because they can never be any more than they are - without aspirations. These are the people who grow up without hope The mob must be very confused calling itself a religion. There are 200 million leaders and no followers. It is apparent God does not want criminals, or slaves either. The barbarians do not want Man's creations - tall buildings and airplanes looming over their heads. Medicine and science are over their heads. They want paradise without working to achieve it. They deserve it because they want it. Mao Ze-dong cursed his father who used him like a donkey and walked away from the farm to found a nation. Henry Ford was a farm boy who believed every family should have a car, and he built an affordable car like India makes now.
Nishan Antaal Aug 20, 2012 01:46pm
Sai Bulle Shah’s Kaafi (Poem) Naa Kaho Kab Ki Naa Kaho Tab Ki Baat Kaho Main Ab Ki Agar Na Hote Guru Gobind Singh To Sunnat Hoti Sab Ki.
Raj Aug 20, 2012 01:44pm
Pakistanis should realize that their forefathers were once Hindus and were most likely converted by force just as in this article. By insulting and mistreating Hindus in Pakistan, they are only disrespecting their own forefathers. I do not understand how people can give up their native culture and heritage and follow an alien arab culture.
Hindu Aug 20, 2012 01:43pm
To indian and especially hindu brothers we are the losers here.We gave pakistan for muslims and still they are growing in india.We cant talk about it openly due to our secular education and things ingrained into us.India was birth place for political correctness.Pakistanis are enjoying that all hindus there are converting to muslims and so are indian muslims.And there next generation will hate hindus anyway.Hindustan is for hindus we dont have any other country.Muslims in India should be prevented from converting Hindus but we should allow muslims to come back to Sanatana Dharma.The opposite of this is true in Islamic countries.We have to maintain good relations with christian and jewish countries but stop missionaries.We have to get rid of caste system which is already non existent in cities and control population.Only punjabis like pakistan and everyone else dont want any contact with them.Solution is to put pressure on pakistan regarding ill treatment of hindus and come on street and protest.Nice article by the reporter to highlight it but pakistan is a failed state breeding with zealots who are killing muslims and non muslims in the name of their perfect man.
SAB Aug 21, 2012 09:02am
Yes afcourse your secular credentials are ingrained in your bodypolitic and history where the very founder of India the great gandhi has been killed by a fanatic (extremist).
Devi Aug 20, 2012 01:02pm
How do I know what the blogger is writing is true or is it just another fig of her wild imagination? I say, the latter.
Mukesh Aug 20, 2012 01:15pm
After reading the comments from my Muslim friends I see that almost all of them are against forced conversions and say that this is not what Islam preaches. But since these things are still happening I assume that there is a bigger section of Muslims who support these acts. Does this mean that a majority of Pakistani Muslims follow the wrong version of Islam?
Avtar Aug 20, 2012 12:33pm
What evidence do you have that US jails are filled with muslims adbducted... Even if your claim was correct you can corrective action using free legal aid. What corrective action can one take in Pakistan when senior officials are gunned down (e.g. Mr Taseer) and so far none has been convicted. In fact, the killer has been praised.
ankur prakash Aug 20, 2012 12:48pm
the biggest problem in pakistan is they only compare there illness with indians. i have never hear forced converstions in india. trust me as a hindu reading this article , makes me wanna become an extremist. you see pakistan once under british rule only had a great an unique culture but it's long gone. until pakistani's realise they ain't arabs. they are asians . they will always suffer. and plz dnt mind me saying and extremely sorry to say so forgive me but with this kind of society ,pakistani deserve to suffer and yeah even the common who doesnt beleive in forcing islam . they need to suffer coz they dont have stomach for standing for wat they beleive. it's seems like pakistan has a fasination 2 become next palestine,and uniquely so they dnt need any israel next 2 them 4 them 2 achieve that they themselves r enough. even if u dnt publish this , idnt care but let me tell my pakistani brothers and sisters dnt whine on your sufferings coz the society u created , u deserve to suffer.
Rumman Aug 21, 2012 10:10am
No reality in it. It is just a shameless propaganda.
Roger Aug 20, 2012 12:25pm
Reading the article left me with a lump in my throat. Not because I am Indian and a Hindu (which I am), but because of the courage that Faiza Mirza has displayed despite a highly vitiated atmosphere - including, in part, some of the highly unwarranted and uncharitable comments from my own compatriots on her previous article. I admire her for sticking to her belief of goodness in the hearts of the more silent majority. More power to you and Dawn.
syed Aug 20, 2012 12:23pm
Thanks for writing very good article about hindu girl,would you write somthing about shia muslims being killed every day in pakistan.
Zalim Singh Aug 20, 2012 12:23pm
Dear all, this reminded me of an incident which took place in 1817 in Morocco. Pl read the story. Even though the circumstances are same, the outcome was different.
@Sharathsam Aug 20, 2012 12:22pm
As an Indian i believe we have no business in lecturing morals to pakistanis .... lets put our own system and houses in order first
Zimbo Indian Aug 20, 2012 12:23pm
Why are the "Oppressed" Muslims of India not migrating to Pakistan? Why is the percentage of Muslims in India ever rising?
INDRA Aug 20, 2012 12:21pm
Hats off Faiza for such eye opening write up, keep it up
VGP Aug 20, 2012 12:19pm
Makes me wonder as to why they have to convert and marry Hindu girls, aint there no muslim girls left in pakistan?
rk singh Aug 20, 2012 12:18pm
Great article Faiza. It pains to read such a sad story.
Modasar Aug 20, 2012 12:18pm
OMG so many indians are commenting on DAWN, what are they doin here?
Zimbo Indian Aug 20, 2012 12:17pm
I would prefer all staunch Indian Muslims to apply for Pak visa and obtain Pak citizenship.
Devapratim Mohanty Aug 20, 2012 12:17pm
When the last hindu has been converted or chased away you can dig the graves of dead hindus and convert them. Actually they are your Hindu forefathers of whom you are so ashamed of.So one last chance to remedy the mistake.
Gerry D'Cunha Aug 20, 2012 12:16pm
O My God - what an excellent eye opening comments - God bless you.
Zimbo Indian Aug 20, 2012 12:15pm
and don't forget Christian Defence Minister AK Antony.
Devapratim Mohanty Aug 20, 2012 12:15pm
These hardliners are doing no good to their nation. A nation is judged by the way it treats its minorities. Changing religion doesn't faith. It prosecutes people. These medieval practices will put your nation back to stone age.
Zimbo Indian Aug 20, 2012 12:13pm
Can you tell me why Muslims are leaving Muslim Bangladesh and taking refuge in (Hindu) Assam / India and (Budhhist) Burma? But Muslims of India (even Kashmir) are NOT migrating to ISLAMIC Pakistan? Does it mean that Muslims find themselves better off in Hindu India than in Muslim Pakistan? In spite of occasional shameful events like Godhra riots in 2002? Is the situation in Pakistan really so bad?
Roger Aug 20, 2012 12:09pm
In the past I always had misgivings about Pakistanis - because I did not 'know' any. But I have since had the good fortune of meeting many Pakistanis outside of India and feel the same sense of warmth when I am with them that I experience when I am with other Indians. I guess I had my own misconceptions in the past. While we continue to call a spade a spade regardless of what happens on either side of the border, it is important to continue with people-to-people contacts and let our own experiences take over - and share what we have more in common than otherwise. I thank Dawn for making this happen via this Board. Good luck to the Lady with the Golden Heart - as another reader on this board has aptly describer her! And May Allah Bless her.
sourabh verma Aug 20, 2012 12:09pm
shame on Pakistan.Shame on civil society of Pakistan This is a symptom of about to die country. In last on decade Pakistan has become 9 th poorest nation in the world. In next one it will surely vanish.....!
sam Aug 20, 2012 12:05pm
this is called genocide...
INDRA Aug 20, 2012 12:03pm
I SAlute FAiza for such courageous reporting , hats off to you
G.a Aug 20, 2012 12:03pm
Pakistan is a far more complex society than this article. Where there is suppression of women there are women fighter pilots; where minorities are persecuted there are Hindu judges, ministers and a strong business community; Sikh military and police officers ; Christian teachers, soldiers, musicians and fighter pilots. 180 million people cannot be painted with one brush.
Devapratim Mohanty Aug 20, 2012 11:59am
These hardliners are doing no good to their nation. A nation is judged by the way it treats its minorities. Changing religion doesn't faith. It prosecutes people. These medieval practices will put your nation back to stone age.
Kantesh,Kumar. Aug 20, 2012 10:25am
I Feel sorry ,for poor Hindu,girls.Their only crime is,they came in this world,and born in a Hindu,family of Pakistan.
FAIR DINKUM Aug 21, 2012 10:01am
This story seems more fictional than a reality.Come off it.This Faiza bibi likes controversies.This is not a fair journalism.
Ali Aug 21, 2012 10:03am
Dear Surinder, Sufis did not represent the snob Royals of the era. There are many Hindus who go to these darbars even today because they have always distributed the 'langar' of ishq.
Jagdish Aug 20, 2012 11:54am
Why are Pakistani's not coming out in large numbers and condemning this forced conversions and injustice in the name of religion strongly? Are rights of non muslims lesser than Muslims? Do they not have dignity?
Roger Aug 20, 2012 11:47am
Taranveer - very well said, and I had the same reaction - a lump in my throat for her courage of conviction in a highly vitiated environment.
Indian Aug 20, 2012 11:46am
Mr.Disgusted you're one digusting fellow who just believe what Mullahs in Pakistan tell you. How many muslims in India have migrated to Pakistan or seeked asylum? Muslim in India have all the rights and more. They constitute nearly 20 per cent of the population now as compared to 12 per cent after independence. I SUGGEST YOU GO TO DUBAI AND TALK TO MUSLIM PAKISTANI TAXI DRIVERS FROM BALOUCHISTAN AND NORTH WESTERN PAKISTAN. YOU WILL KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON YOUR COUNTRY TO MUSLIMS. YOU WILL FIND WHAT HAPPENDED IN GUJARAT A MINOR INCIDENT.
Dixit Aug 20, 2012 11:40am
You have given a very beautiful statement Dr. Billah but can you recommend through this site, reversal of conversions that have happend. I have not found a single muslim to say that reversal is also possible while so many of them are condemning the act of force conversion. Why?
T Ahmed Aug 20, 2012 11:40am
Well said, bro.
T Ahmed Aug 20, 2012 11:39am
The Pope, or anyone else who claims he has special knowledge of what God wants, is as big a fraud as any "aalim-e-Islam". The only saving grace is that priests of different religions and sects compete with one another for "religious followings" and so speak out like the pope just did (or, in case of muslim molvis, shoot one another while in prayer).
Nasiroski Aug 20, 2012 11:34am
So what are you going to do about those few that are bringing such shame on your and my religion?? I think I am insulted by those few, don't you?? They are insulting my religion my Prophet and humanity don't you think so??. If you do then do something about it, and if you don't then live with the stigma on your religion it's the choice you are making.
Ram Aug 20, 2012 11:31am
Ms. Mirza, I would like to commend you on your excellent writing! You're a good wordsmith!! Keep up the good work! As for the subject, the facts speak for themselves.
Bharat Aug 20, 2012 11:29am
where do you people get your facts and figures from? how easy it is to forget that a large number Pakistani cities had a very sizeable minority and occassionally a small majority of Hindus. If you think about killing then please do not go past the 4 million Bangladeshis that the Pakistani army killed. If you think about intolerance - then think about all the Abrahamic religions ( except the jews who also do not kill en masse. How can you have a democracy when wholesale censorship continues?
ritu Aug 20, 2012 11:27am
you mean zakir niak who on public platform declares that islam is only true religion and majority of his tolerant hindu countrymen are following false religion? he follows most conservative form islam and think religious violence to save islam is permissible! do you realize this kind of extremist attitude make people of other faith make suspicious of zakir naik, he is not person to whom to a liberal and educated muslim living in pluralistic society should look towards to! He twist the Scriptures of both Islam and Hinduism to convert gullible people to Islam and his popularity is bad news for secular India.
Nasiroski Aug 20, 2012 11:26am
Why this never happens to a Muslim girl with Hindu boy?? I guess it involves a minor risk of elimination of whole Hindu family.... as we are so "ghairatmund".
Adil Aug 20, 2012 11:24am
That is very educated thinking i have seen very rarely on internet. Pakistan is moving towards religious tolerance, although it has not made significant progress yet. However, In Lahore, i know several people of faith other than Islam, and they are living peacefully. These terrible stories are localized in certain underdeveloped and conservative areas of Pakistan who have not received proper attention from the government. Moreover, we can not judge a whole country based on incidents occurring in some or few parts of the country.
Religious Manometer Aug 20, 2012 10:31am
A good article return for promotion of the agenda of foreign intelligence agencies No Clue this writer is one of them. A woman who can leave her religion just because of her internal complications who has no faithfulness with his religion, how can she be faithful to this land. She is rightfully thought to be part of non Muslim country which she is now. Ur GOD and Muslim GOD is different if u can listen. Muslim GOD is defined in SURAH IKHLAAS. AND UR GOD has no definition So dont say abt religion if u dont know abt it.
brahmin Aug 20, 2012 11:22am
Explain how muslim population post independence has gone from 11% to 18% today. Explain how come the muslim majority state of Jammu and Kashmir where muslims are still suriviing after driving out all hindus from the valley. I invite all intellectual pakistani and the gracious and beautiful author to watch the intelligence squared youtube debates and also the debates by david woods and richard spencer on the religion of peace
AHA Aug 20, 2012 11:07am
Those who are doing this do not believe in Allah. They believe in a figment of their imagination .
Vikram Aug 20, 2012 11:06am
Himanshu, do you know of one, just one, instance of a Muslim girl being kidnapped and forced to marry a Hindu in India or anywhere in the world for that matter? India is not perfect, and everyone there suffers from some sort of discrimination or other, but what is happening in Pakistan to minorities is at a diff level...lets have courage to call a spade a spade - ur saying "many muslims may also be feeling the same way as I am doing in some other parts of world , may be in my country too." is plain wrong
TheseusIam Aug 20, 2012 01:17pm
Image? You should worry about reality.
Nishan Antaal Aug 20, 2012 01:18pm
Very well written true story. I hope everyone in Pakistan read this article especially those Mullahs & hope it will touch their heart and soul. Keep up good work Fazia because pen has more power than the guns.
Nayyer Aug 22, 2012 11:24am
Babri masjid, Gujtar killings, Golden tempel and many more can be provided on request
S.Subrahmanyam Aug 20, 2012 10:39am
When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India, we witnessed a Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmnin President Mukherjee, with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari, Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an Italian born Catholic Chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi, and a Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar in the audience. Our Chief of the Army is Bikram Singh, a Sikh and our Chief of Air Force is Air Marshal Browne, an Anglo Indian Christian. Do I need to say anything more about our secular credentials!
Jagdish Aug 21, 2012 02:28pm
You are trying to hide your shame. The condition of Indian Muslims is much better than what you would imagine. There is no one queuing up for migration to Pakistan.
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:27pm
You mention Kashmir. Do note that in spite of the "massive" presence of Indian security forces in Kashmir, still Kashmiri Hindus have been forced to leave and become refugees in their own country. BUT THE "OPPRESSED" MUSLIMS HAVE SHOWN NO INCLINATION TO MIGRATE TO PAKSITAN.
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:23pm
Why are the discriminated and threatened Indian Muslims not migrating to Pakistan?
annas Aug 22, 2012 09:31am
I am deeply moved by this incident as I have never heard or witnessed such type of atrocity in my country. Islam is the religion of peace and tranquility and even our Holy Prophet never opted for such a cruel way of conversion. I understand that there are extremist every where but it is due to the lack of knowledge. I wish if our religious scholars bring this issue to the front so that this false trend is identified and controlled at the earliest.
HJ Aug 21, 2012 02:12pm
U live in denial like most Pakistanis. This is a heartbreaking story which happens ALOT in Pakistan and u have the nerve to deny and portray that the poor girl is NOT a victim. I It is true now.. humanity has left Pakistan and what is left is heartless scavangers like you.
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:11pm
Yes, the greatest religious philosophy of the world is indeed "Live and let live".
Imran Aug 22, 2012 09:33am
I dont think that it should come as any surpise that so many non-Hindus have reached higher positions in Indian society. It is a fact that the proportion of these minorities is very high in India. If the same proportion of minorities was present in pakistan then you would have seen similar representations in society. So overall it is simple mathematics, India has a much much larger proportion as well as an overall number of people from minorities. I dont think that the 2 countries can be compared in this aspect. Indian Muslims alone outnumber the total population of pakistan.
Naeem Aug 21, 2012 02:09pm
Affordable cars for whom? for that 5 % Haves?( What about 95 % Haves not? compare the GDPs & per capita incomes & God given resources.
Aadil khan Aug 21, 2012 02:08pm
Dr Ahmad, Have you ever been to india ,Do you have any friend in india..I would request you to visit india ..copying contents of Mr Subhrmanyam ...When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India, we witnessed a Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmnin President Mukherjee, with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari, Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an Italian born Catholic Chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi, and a Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar in the audience. Our Chief of the Army is Bikram Singh, a Sikh and our Chief of Air Force is Air Marshal Browne, an Anglo Indian Christian.
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:08pm
I have seen Zakir Naik's programmes with great curiosity and interest.. I am disgusted with his insistence on establishing the superiority of Islam over other religions. There is nothing liberal or secular about him.
FNA Gondal Aug 21, 2012 02:08pm
The writer has given only one side of mirror..should have mentioned about so called Muslims killing other muslims in the name of Islam.killing themselves by suicide bombs etc . My request is,, ALL THOSE WHO HAVE COMMENTED ABOUT ISLAM SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT ISLAM IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE PORTRAY MOSTLY... It is the BEST RELIGION which let others to live in peace, harmony,respect all religions,minorities .Seethe sufi saints who came to Subcontinent to give true picture of humanity.That is why people from all walks of life visit their shrines/graves even today (Ajmer Shareef etc). Islam do not preach forced Conversions, even forced marriages within MUSLIM families . Please read Islam before commenting on it by taking example from one incident. See what is happening to innocent Muslims in Burma? Islam says killing of one innocent is like killing of entire mankind....Then those, who are suicide bombers killing Muslims in the name of Islam;;;how can be taken as Muslims ?? I request to all those who gave their comments ..please see Pakistan is passing through a time of forced terrorism spread by Foreign hands in the name of Islam and illiterate Muslims are playing in the hands of so called Mullahs .... SO for one incident , entire RELIGION should not be taken on board. Other wise it will be difficult to live as good neighbors....
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:05pm
Gujrat atrocities are a shameful blot on Indian societies. But they are an aberration. What is happening in Assam is not a communal war. It is a fight between between local Bodos (who are tribals/Hindus/Muslims/Christians) and illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who have reduced Bodos to a minority in their own homeland.
ROHIT PANDEY Aug 21, 2012 02:04pm
India has a great,powerful political weapon against fundamentalism..and that is secularism..India MUST DEMAND secularism of Muslim countries Pakistan and Bangladesh being the first!!
Manjeet Aug 21, 2012 02:04pm
Absolutely, agree with you. We have problems and the solution for our problems in not in finding problems with others.
JAVED A. Aug 21, 2012 02:03pm
As a muslim I am shamed by this. The right thinking Pakistani and Muslims elsewhere should speak and act against this injustice. We claim to be part of a peaceful and tolerant religion--it is time we walk the talk.
Manjeet Aug 21, 2012 02:02pm
Do you know that Sikhs(Singh) were created to fight Muslims when they were forcefully converting Hindu's to Islam? Forceful conversion has played major factor in the rift between Hindu's and Muslims. Aurangzeb, who is so admired by Pakistan is only remembered for his brutalities and forceful conversions in India. Our opinions are generally biased as we take input from our surroundings. Homogeneous societies does not provide opportunity for self evaluations.
kiran Aug 21, 2012 02:00pm
will the Pakistan fundamentals allow Faiza to live freely in Pakistan
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 02:00pm
If you start counting Hindus who made it big in Pakistan you will be left fumbling for names. In India it is commonplace to see minorities doing so well. THAT IS WHY INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE NOT MIGRATING TO PAKISTAN. They are smarter than Pakistani Muslims.
observer Aug 21, 2012 01:59pm
Yes, Local Bodos are being attacked by illegal Bangladeshi immigrants.
ramarao Aug 21, 2012 01:58pm
My dear friend don't you read papers?Hindus are migrating in droves to India from Wagha border, but I don't see the reverse happening
Zimbo_Indian Aug 21, 2012 01:57pm
SAB please remember, Gandhi was killed by a Hindu fanatic because he felt that Gandhi was too soft on Muslims and the new born Pakistan. The assasins (Godse and Apte) were Hindus and they were duly hanged by the Hindu Indian society.
kiran Aug 21, 2012 01:56pm
Let us appreciate the bold and revolution approach of Dawn for bringing atrocities on Minorities of Pakistan citizens.
Manjeet Aug 21, 2012 01:52pm
Have you been to India ? I suppose not. This story is from Pakistan and why you have to see it from India Pakistan prism? Even if I agree with you for a second does that justify wrong done in Pakistan? Is it even fair at all if we remove India and Pakistan from equation.
Manish Tomar Aug 21, 2012 01:52pm
Pakistan was created because the Muslims in undivided India felt persecuted as a minority. Now every minority in Pakistan is persecuted be it Hindu, Ahmadis, Sikh, Shia or Christians. A nation going against the very principle it was created on...
mustafa Aug 22, 2012 02:42pm
well i will say it was a good effort to highlight a ill practice in Pakistan, but to all my fellow Hindu or other religion's brothers this article has miss lead you. yes ignorant Muslims may have done this but this is not Islam and Islam was never spread with sword.
Lateef Aug 21, 2012 01:51pm
No name, no date, no word about police report, no word about talking to Hindu MPA, MNA, no word about minority minister or human rights activists. It is a very good story to put more fuel in the fire. Please learn 'investigative journalism' before taking pen and blaming others for no reason.
Nhz Aug 21, 2012 01:51pm
I cannot forget the GUJRAT Riots called secularism......, but on the other hand I condemn all forced conversion from the depth of my heart. Everyone must have a right to practice his/her religion in all parts of the world..... NOW INDIANs will bash me.......
Imran Aug 21, 2012 01:46pm
So why are Indians queing up to leave it?
ali Aug 21, 2012 01:45pm
sounding not too harsh or rude... the atrocities or intolerance faced by hindus is not only extended to them but also to Pakistanis in general.... the impression that is being given by the writer is that exclusively hindus are subjected to pejorative treatment whereas i believe today all citizens of Pakistan minus the elite and politicians have to struggle in all aspects merely because of the fact that they are Pakistani. living in Pakistan is not only become a herculean task for minorities but is an uphill task for the "majority Muslim" population too.. Worldwide sympathies pour in for the minorities but who is going to highlight the plight of the so-called majority population ... I think its high time we should understand that Muslims in Pakistan too are not living in heaven they too have their share of problems...lets be tolerant!!! And most importantly such cases i believe happen in the rural areas and the mind set of hand ful of people cannot reflect the whole of Pakistan . why is that never have i have heard of some high class Hindu/christian being forced to convert .its not as if no one from the "minority" is not a public figure or belong to the riches. ISLAM has no room for forced conversions and i do believe such acts are being done and they should be stopped and condemned and those involved should be given novel punishment. To the writer do express your views but please don't be such extreme in your writings .. i was ok with your whole article but what just irked was your last sentence !!! calling Pakistan as "intolerant society" do you even know the people who constitute your "intolerant" society have to go through every hour .. they are merely trying to live so please give some credit to them ..and be specific in your accusations and not general ... I belong to a middle class family of Pakistan and feel insulted and hurt by your intolerant comment..
Khurram Akber Aug 21, 2012 01:38pm
Faiza Great Job...Thanks for bringing this issue to light...We need to pay more attention to this and safeguard minorities rights, their beliefs and their lives as we do for any other Muslims. While reading some of the comments,it's a typical out cry against Islam, Don't judge this religion by looking at this barbaric act or any other of this kind. If you want to know how is life in Islam and what it teaches to it's followers, just Read the Holy Book and then comment and if you cant do that just look at the life of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and Khalifa E Rashedin. You will see countless example of how Islam was spread and what it's teaching are. Men are flawed, don't judge their Religion by their acts.
Guru Aug 21, 2012 01:31pm
Young man get your facts right. As a Christian, I have no problems living in India. Also, the mosque in Ayodhia was built upon a temple. Please remember 40 years after the advent of Islam in the fourth century, they plundered other countries, converting other religions to Islam, taking over vast territories including, Persia, Spain etc. Also, India wants nothing from Pakistan, except to be left alone.
Imran Aug 21, 2012 01:26pm
The world's most easiest thing is to do critics. Without having the complete facts, it is the norm of the human and today's culture to do utmost critics. While reading the article and the post and praises to Ms. Faiza (the writer), I will ask Ms. Faiza that how many positive articles she wrote about the lifestyle of minorities in Pakistan. Does she write anything about the minorities in India especially Muslim's?. And many of them in the post who claims to have that India is most secular for minorities, please let us know, what would you say about the Danga Fasad happened in India when a PM wants to increase the quota of Muslims from 5%. If India is most secular then why a Muslim is not allowed to slaughter a cow at their Eid festival?. What do you say about the killings of innocent Muslims in Kashmir? What do you say about the killing of Palestinians? What do you say about the killings of Muslims in Afghanistan?
Satyendra Aug 21, 2012 01:19pm
Appeal to my Indian friends.. I love India no question about it.. but we have our own share of problems too.. pointing out Pakistan doesn't help our cause... we have a long way to go too.. yes we have ministers and presidents from all religions and castes but that doesn't mean that our backyard is clean!! Have compassion people.. common man (both in India & Pakistan) is always interested in his family welfare and to live in peace.. its very bad to brush all the people with same color because of few bad apples..
Asif Aug 21, 2012 01:18pm
Truthful story! But the impression about spreading of Islam by force is debatable. Islam is still fastest growing religion in Europe and around the world. If u analyze the facts then it is not by mughals or saudis or jazia or any reasons that some brothers have blamed in their comments. It is the some thing in the teachings that whoever read, think, accepts the message.
Nafis Aug 21, 2012 01:02pm
People who are engaged in these activities are from the generations that may be forcibly converted earlier as in tribal society usually the heads were taken on board and rest follow the bandwagon.
Raj Aug 21, 2012 01:01pm
why should anyone expect others to change? I think this is where the basic problem starts...
anonymous Aug 21, 2012 12:47pm
Religion of peace? In the name of which religion are most people killed? Ask this question to yourself.
Medicopal Aug 21, 2012 12:46pm
Respected Naeem Sahib, Salute for your comment regarding the "wrong being done and the need of correction". Your observations regarding "hate speech against Muslims and Pakistan" is a bit exaggerated, I read the comments carefully and found that the people from both sides of the border share similar views. I am an Indian and have lots of Pakistani friends who are as nice as anybody else. Your menntion of treatment of minorities in India does also not reflect the truth! Or have you ever heard of Muslims (or any other relgion) being converted to another religion? Muslims in India can't be (anymore) looked upon as a minority - their numbers being higher than those in whole of Pakistan! I agree with you that hatred has no place i a healthy dialogue! Stay blessed -
Tanu Priya Gupta Aug 21, 2012 12:45pm
cnt agree more
Observer Aug 21, 2012 12:42pm
I dont understand the term "illiterate Mullahs/Molvi" There is no such term. A mullah or molvi has learned Quran and know the will of the god as per the book and executes it to perfection. It is blasphemy to call a molvi illiterate. A good Muslim should always follow mullahs no matter how wrong it feels as they are truely executing the will of god.
Humayun Aug 21, 2012 12:51pm
In Islam there is no room for that evil. No forced conversions permitted in Islam. These people who indulge in these evil practices are as distant from Islam as the Hindus, what can they contribute to spread Islam except hate and misunderstanding. They deserve strict punishments and necessary Law should be in place to stop these kinds of most evil and disgraceful practices of forced conversions and forced marriages. The ball is in Govt court now and they must act without delay.
Nabarun Dey Aug 21, 2012 12:36pm
Kya Khuda Ka Khouf Nahin ?
Medicopal Aug 21, 2012 12:34pm
Congratulations to the author of this wonderfully written article, though I'm very surprised that a paper from Pakistan has published it! By doing so, "The Dawn" has risen much higher in my opinion, I always thought of this paper as one of very high international standards. Being a sikh myself, I respect all other religions and faiths as they are. Sikhism is by the way one of the very few religions that asks its followers to do so and this is the only religion that forbids missionary (convert others to sikhism) work. The biggest weakness of Islam seems to be the intolerance towards other religions! The joke is that this lack of respect for others is practised in a harsh way by those whose ancestors were converted to Islam by methods other than conviction. Let us hope that the democratic powers in Pakistan shall someday realise what the value of being sovereign in these matters is!
Hassan Aug 21, 2012 12:34pm
many talked typically Pakistani way, " India kr raha ha to humain b karna chahye", come on guys, at least take the courage to be civilized and humanized. Have the heart to say "yes, its wrong, yes we did wrong and we are doing wrong", do not overhaul the reality. If any such thing is happening in India, Denmark or America or where ever, do our Islamic teachings lack the motivation of still being good and doing good for the sake of HUMAN BEING. are we suppose to do it just because the minorities do not share the same religion. what if the world start pulling Muslims out of their countries and disrespecting the people's right of religion, we will definitely fear living in those countries. that's happening in Pakistan, we have to affirm it with a "pure" heart that Pakistan is a country of Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and many other faith bearers. I m with the Hindus of Pakistan. Pakistan is with the Hindus of Pakistan.
Mazhar Aug 22, 2012 02:12pm
True! No body can doubt Indian secularism. There is no other country in the world, which could show credentials. How I wish I could be as proud as Mr Subrahmanyam about my country Pakistan. Mazhar Ali
Devapratim Mohanty Aug 21, 2012 12:33pm
This practice to kidnap,convert,marry( actually rape) people of opposite faith is an invader mentality. It was done in the past to demoralize the invaded population and enslave them and keep them in perpetual fear. No sensible man can understand why should one do it to a population with whom they have coexisted for a century at least. I am sure these men of religion understand the difference between"religion" and "faith". May god bless you my turbaned friend with wisdom and sanity, I am sure the Hindu girls will forgive you with all her heart as you have been a beast to violate their body but little do you know the soul and heart are too sacred to be touched by forced religions.
Jagdish Aug 22, 2012 02:13pm
So Sorry. People are also leaving Pakistan disgusted of sectoran violence and extremism. Pakistan is ranked a failed state
Muhammad Ahmed Aug 21, 2012 12:32pm
This is a fabricated account to highlight what a person might go through in this type of trauma. Author is claiming names and might even get sued if she did not get permission from Rinkal Kumari and used her name. Hmm all the Brahmans took all the Dalits and made them princes and kings. Two wrongs do not make one right but you are talking about politics associated with kingdoms and a better example might be the harmony shown among all the casts, creeds and religions in present day India.
Ismail Abbas Aug 21, 2012 12:26pm
The main reseason of intolerence in Pakistan is that from the very beggining the children are thought that this country is made for Muslims.Now from this teaching the minds gets poluted that the no other community of having deffrent faith is allowed to stay in pakistan. At present Pakistan has become very unsafe for every person of different faith becouse Wahabism is spreading like fire from Madressas and sermons of moulvis who are getting enough financial help from abroad. If Pakistan is to stay, it must opt for seculiarsm and nothing else can save Pakistan from destruction.
Ashok Sharma Aug 21, 2012 12:25pm
I do not know if you get this a lot, but Faiza you are amazingly beautiful, bahut khoobsurat hain aap. Do not know if Dawn shall publish my comment, but yeah thumbs me up who so ever feels so.
True Pakistani Aug 21, 2012 12:23pm
- "islam is the religion of tolerance and equality" not TRUE. are you blind, deaf and mute?
Irshie Aug 21, 2012 12:21pm
yes i do know about Assam. I am form Assam. This was a conflict between two communities in a village-tribal bodo (who are hindus and christians and animist) and muslim settlers, mostly bengali speaking. this is certainly an issue, but its not a hindu-muslim conflict. Its a conflict of land and identity. Look into the reason for the conlfict. Its not state sponsored conflict, nor it was a conflict based on religion.
Akhunzada. ka Aug 21, 2012 12:20pm
Pakistani society is criminalized because the people sitting in seats of power and parliament and political parties are worst criminals of the society.Islam is no consideration in our lives be it of common people or religious people. Islam does not exist in Pakistan for all practicle puirposes then why to blame Islam. atrocities are committed indiscriminately to all poor people be them Muslims , Hindus or others. What we need to do is to change ouselves to become true to our selves and our religious failths and then bring up good people to power so that the justice is implemented in the society. People like faiza worship their selves and they don,t bother for any ideals. Such people can sell their country without a twitch of concious in exchange for green card or pleasing their indian paymasters.
SAB Aug 21, 2012 12:19pm
Aasha, Love stories have not changed, they are same as they were 100s years ago.... Writer's story is based on fiction and devoid of true picture.... majority of Hindus in pakistan are living in Sindh and they are first sindhis and than Hindus or muslims...
Devapratim Mohanty Aug 21, 2012 12:19pm
Dawn has been very brave and forthwith in taking up pressing issues in Pakistan.A very responsible newspaper.I am an Indian and I often think why the timesofindia's online edition can't do the same. I am a faithful reader of your newspaper. Please keep up the good work.
Asghar Aug 21, 2012 12:15pm
The plight of muslims in India is well known so no need to discuss that.I know many non-Muslims people in Pakistan who are working in high-profile companies with no issues at all even in the military esp Sikhs. Whatever the writer has said is story of some illiterate people.Instead of committing rape they are using the religion for getting what they want.i have never heard of such practices in Islam and nobody preaches such acts. For me this is just a one-off incident that happens anywhere in the world with the exception that religion might not be involved.
Sajib Rahman Aug 21, 2012 12:13pm
True Pakistani Aug 21, 2012 12:14pm
- if islam was a TRUE religion non-muslim would convert willingly. there will be no need for FORCED conversion.
wasif Aug 21, 2012 12:14pm
I agree with you jafrees2000, the writer seems biased/ or stands to gain from this purely negative article. Stuff like this happens in india all the time, some muslims in india are athiests... most of them leave and migrate to Western Europe and America. I have friends from hyderabad who swear they will never go back to india, whereas I know two pakistani hindus who say that they love going back and visiting pakistan every now and then. when bjp comes to power the minorities will suffer in india, its just a matter of government... anyhow...
momin Aug 21, 2012 12:10pm
Yes i thought there is no value for minorities in pakistan.But these people are not humen .They doen't know religen is not spred through forcefully conversion.If GOD think it automatically Spread.
Ramzan Aug 21, 2012 12:07pm
Yes sir! would you please mention the Gujrat atrocities and what's going on in Assam.
Siv Ingvild Thirud Aug 21, 2012 12:03pm
Do you realy think that drawing a funny pickture, a cartoon, can be considered a crime? and to be compared to abducting a inocent little girl, and forcing her into something like this? shame on you!
Dr Ahmad Aug 21, 2012 01:36pm
Faiza, Great "Bollywood" story! Have you even been to India? Do you really know how Muslims are treated in India? How many Muslims were killed in Hindu/muslim riots sponsored by state governments in India? Have you ever heard Hindu/Muslim riots in Pakistan? Have you ever seen any hindu temple converted into a Masjid? Did you know Babari mosque in India and what happened to it? Do you know what was the Indian supreme court decision about Babari mosque? Do you know who the first federal law minister of Pakistan and how he disappeared from Pakistan to re-appear in India? My advise to you is read the recent and past history of muslim livings in India and then write something real and meaningful about hindus living in Pakistan. I have visited India twice in last 5 years and have met many muslims there and know quite well their "happy" living in India. Dawn is a Pakistani newspaper and read the comments posted here and guess how many of these comments are from Pakistani muslims. Have you ever read any such article in any Indian newspaper who had also posted comments from Pakistani readers? Dr Ahmad, Melbourne, Australia
Prany Aug 21, 2012 11:43am
I am living in GCC countries including the UAE for last 18 years and have no hesitation to say that Indians are more respected than Pakistanis by educated Arabs. I have many Arab friends who appreciate the contribution of Indians to the development of UAE.
Farhan Aug 21, 2012 11:06am
Dear abcd , I can give u more than thousand arguments with examples regarding the protection given to idolators in our system (ISLAMIC SYSTEM).
Songbird Maths Aug 21, 2012 11:03am
Dear Faiza ..... Please ignore people like Jafrees who are the reason why we are never able to progress in life .... People who are caught up in the past, who revel in keeping hatred alive through keeping this cycle of violence going ..... But I pray that he sees reason, focusses in the beauty of all the good which happens around us ... The Abundance of Good which we fail to see while focussing in all the Bad ..... But most of all I Salute you ... With all my Heart. It is because of people like you Faiza, that the world is such a beautiful and humane place .... Never lose this spirit no matter what you might hear from people who react to your words .... God Bless You !
Voice Aug 21, 2012 11:02am
Well done Faiza for writing the article, as a Christian I have often faced discrimination including being told to keep my cup and plate separate from of the Muslims. This article has shed light on the darkest of stains no Pakistan's image drawn by the radicalism that has engulfed it since 65 years.
jafrees2000 Aug 21, 2012 10:44am
.Faiza, I wish if you could also apprise us on the atrocities of Kashimiri familiies . I wish if you could shed some light on the rapes and abduction taking place with innocent Kashmiri girls by armed Indian forces for decades now. I wish you write sometimes about the demolition of Babri Mosque by a mad and fantatic hindu mob. If you want cheap publicity or an Indian Passport there are other ways too. you can join Veena Malik and then humiliate Pakistan on an Indian soil . Did you ever realize how many Bollywood movies have been made against Islam and Pakistan. Did you ever bother to bring this matter to public in Pakistan. Did you say any thing against Denmark or christians when they tried to insult our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH) through some cheap cartoons. Could you explain why Indians are fuelling the sentiments in Baluchistan and provoking them for so called Independance. Have you forgot the creation of Bangladesh by this enemy. Shame on you . Just for some cheap fame and publicity you are getting so biased as you know its easy to sell the bad name of Paksitan these days and there is an Indian Media dying to cash on it.
aroob Aug 21, 2012 10:42am
Is this the writer's own true story? If yes, then the Hindu community in Pakistan and in fact the entire Hindu community round the world should not sit silent. The Hindu citizens have a right over this country, they should stand up for that, and most Muslims here would be supportive. Involve the media; forced conversions are just not acceptable!!
Jit B Aug 21, 2012 10:42am
Why don't the Pakistani Hindus migrate to India or Iran... Iran, despite being an "Islamic Republic" is very tolerant of minorities.. Pakistanis should learn something from them... shame, shame shame on Pakistan - It's hard to believe that you guys were once a part of India..
kamaljit singh Aug 21, 2012 10:41am
Dear S. Subrahmanyam, Yet you have not added CEC in the list who is also muslim.
FAIR DINKUM Aug 21, 2012 10:37am
oh mr suba,Your sonia gandi is a converted hindu. Your army chief a show piece,in fact a helpless. lets talk about kashmiries and their rights.Gujarat massacre of innocents.Now a days in assam. . . some brutality is always there against minorities.You champion of civil rights.I bet in next tow months something else will be making the head lines. . . Dnt prove to be a better human.
muak15736 Aug 21, 2012 10:00am
Bitter truth in Pakistan and this all due to bad governance and mismanagement. Our religion never forced any non Muslim to be converted to Muslim. Let the people feel what is right and what is wrong. We have to take measures to protect all the citizens not only Muslims. Each citizens have the equal right. We should respect all religion, culture, people and let them feel safe & secure when they are around you.
Ashish Mittal Aug 21, 2012 10:35am
I would like to thank Faiza for writing this article to show the true image behind the scene. It is very easy to say that a Girl converted to Islam by choice but nobody has seen her tears which shows her sacrifice (Forced) for her Father, Mother and all family members. It is really disgusting when a 13 year girl put behind the bar for Blasphemy law.. 'Jaago Pakistanio Jaagooo '.Now it is only in the hand of new generation to make this country a Jannat or hell. choice is entirely yours.
Dee Aug 21, 2012 10:33am
Don't simply say, I can, but just list them down! Especially names of some PMs, some Presidents, Heads of Army, Security Agencies of Pakistan from the minority community of Pakistan! You indeed need to enlighten us, if we have missed noticing it.
Indian Aug 22, 2012 12:48pm
Yea Shamim, why don't you move to your beloved Pakistan?. Soon you will scream that India is a better than Pakistan after looking at the otherside of life.
ProudEuropean Aug 21, 2012 10:32am
What a show of courage in a barbaric country! In my opinion, Pakistan has lost all rights of existence. A society, which cannot protect its weak, does not have the right to exist, was once said by a great man. Since Pakistan was supposed to be the Muslim nation in the Indian Sub-continent, what are the crores of Muslims doing in India. How long should an uncivilised barbaric nation be tolerated and fed by the world. Isn't it true that all terrorism and evil in the world, one way or other originates from Pakistan, a country which survives on aid. Somehow universe has a way of correcting the wrongs. Look at the number of Pakistanis dying by terrorist attacks, by the same terrorists funded and created by Pakistani governmental organisations.
Mohammed Aug 21, 2012 10:31am
Forced conversion is clearly abhorrent and has no place is Islam. However I am dismayed reading the rants from chauvinistic Hindu nationalists from across the border, who always seem to use articles of this nature as a base for peddling hatred and misinformation. Firstly Islam was not spread by the sword, but spread through Sufism and trade in the subcontinent. Secondly you loose any moral high ground in this debate when you make statements regarding the 'Hindu ‘heritage of Muslims, (claiming that this makes them Hindu's). This is nonsensical, as there have been waves of immigration from central Asia and Persia for centuries. Those Muslim's who did convert, did so hundreds/ one thousand years ago and have no relationship with Hinduism.....even Europe was once Pagan and vast swathes of India Buddhist. I would also like remind you that India's secular credentials are not impeccable, violence against Christian's In Orissa, Sikhs in 84, thousands of Muslim's killed and of course the cultural onslaught of Hindutva. Token appointments to the military/Government of India are no real measure of religious tolerance and secularism academically.
Rashid Sultan Aug 21, 2012 10:07am
Why should it be that a non muslim has to convert to Islam in a mixed marraige even if it is with consent? Why not the Muslim Convert to his/her spouse's religion?
Zalim Singh Aug 22, 2012 11:47am
Hope Pakistanis read this and gain some humanity.
PKR Chowdhury Aug 22, 2012 10:52am
Tahira, you are a genious. If USA, UK , Canada and other developed nations follow your advice, the fanaticism in Pakistan will disappear overnight.
Observer Aug 22, 2012 02:33pm
The Babri mosque was built by tearing down the Ram temple (birth place of Hindu god) like several other temples were destroyed to make mosques. Hindus were requesting Muslims to give them back their Ram birth place (like Kaaba ) but they refused and after several years of patience a mob brought down the mosque.
Jagdish Aug 22, 2012 02:26pm
Beta, baade baade desh (mulk) may chooti chooti baat hoti rehti hai.. On a serious note, these are aberations and not regular happenings in India.. India is ranked much higher in social and economic indicators when compared to Pakistan.
nav Aug 22, 2012 10:25am
how can you say that Rinkle kumaris case was of love marriage. when asked by a TV reporter she clearly denied having met the men before you can watch the TV footage second case young 14 yr old girl abducted and married. how can 14 yr old decides to get married and get converted and never see her family
Jagdish Aug 22, 2012 02:23pm
Muslims in India lag behind in education to other communities like Hindu, Sikh, Christians, etc.... Muslims seem rooted in the past and are hardly interested in learning anything other than Islam... Now education in Madarasas is not going to fetch you a lot of jobs son
asma Aug 22, 2012 02:20pm
i almost read all the comments... and many of indians are recommending this imaginary GIRL in this article to leave pakistan and go to india.. HMMMM wel "imaginary girl..."go to india but before going there.. make sure that u tell them that from which sect/cast u belong... because u know they have shuder, and barhaman, and many of them... and each of them have different social LEVEL... and still they call themselves secular state... VERY IMPRESSIVE...
Jagdish Aug 22, 2012 02:19pm
You said it...There is a different mathematics in the Subcontinent. In India the Muslims have multipled, while in Pakistan Hindus have reduced to less than 1 % thanks to official policy encouraging coercion and conversion to Islam.
Munir Zia Aug 22, 2012 02:13pm
To keep the balance, I would request Faiza Mirza about writing another similar story on Australian missionary Graham Staines who was set on fire alongwith his two kids by a Hindu mob in Orissa (India) who were protesting the conversion of hindus to Christianity. Waiting to listen from Faiza, hopefully very soon.....
Sunder Aug 22, 2012 01:51pm
Quick....bury your head back in the sand, its been out too long already !!
Shafiq Rahman Aug 22, 2012 01:47pm
Thanks to Faiza Mirza for writing this article. As a pakistani it is extremely alarming how intolerant the society is becoming specially in last 10 years. However I think its more happening in the rural areas/villages where there is feudal system and feydal lords push minoroties including hindus, ahmadis and even shia muslims to convert to sunni islam. Ihave never seen this happen in cities where there is law and security for all minorities. I had many hindu classmates and infact were good friends and religion was never an issue. However I grew up in karachi and not 'interior sindh' where this story is from. The chief justice of pakistan Mr Iftikhar Chuadhary who has become famous for his 'anti-corruption' stand can perhaps take a suo-moto action on this issue. I am sure majority of pakistanis will support him.
Jawahar Aug 22, 2012 01:35pm
Its a remote area 1000s of km away from new delhi. but its still better than Karachi i think.
Nadeem Akhtar Aug 22, 2012 02:29pm
This is very unfortunate and enough to give a grave damage to Pakistan and Islam by those self proclaimed Islamists. The relation between Allah and a man-woman is entirely between them. Nobody has any right or role to play umpire or referee between ALLAH and Human. I being a Muslim, consider the conversion of a poor girl like this no less than a sin itself and my thinking and knowledge about islam surely assure me that these kind of people will stand in the queue of cruels like Feron to face there fate on the day of judgement. Can't do anything except giving my heartful sympathy and tears to such poor people. Just want to tell these cruel men that ALLAH is watching their sin and cruelity and will teach them a lesson. If not now then later. If not here then surely in the hell. I am proud of my country India. Inspite of being a minority, I am living a life full of dignity, honor, self respect and success. I thank Allah and feel lucky to be part of a wonderful society. May Allah bless such pakistanis with some sense, humanity and peace. Ameen.
fella Aug 22, 2012 01:31pm
I dont know why you are raving about your so called "secular country" when you have incidents like "Babry mosque". How does that make you feel about your fellow hindus in India? What the article says is shameful but one person or a handful people cannot depict an entire nation. We have good hindu, jews, christian friends and we all respect each others religions and identities. Please condemn the act and the sinners but not my beloved country and millions who do not think the way this person thought. Forceful conversions do not have any grounds in Islam. It is a religion of peace. Anyone acting against the fundamentals of Islam is not a muslim and is doing so merely as an individual and a person tarnishing the image of this beautiful religion and country.
ramarao Aug 22, 2012 03:17pm
Who says that there are no conversions in india!. You can see in You tube a crazy fellow called Prof zakir Niak converting a hindu girl in one minute flat , in a large gathering of Muslims.The poor girl wanted to ask a question, but was forced to accept that Muslim religion is superior to all other religions
Lokesh Aug 22, 2012 01:31pm
Dude, you seriously need to apply for a visitor's visa to India and visit Gujarat. Just make sure that you return back :)
Farhad Aug 22, 2012 02:26pm
building up a story and exploiting others emotions is easy give us a proof of forced conversion. and all the Indians please stop trying to be messiahs as if we are not aware of whats happening in Assam. Youtube is full of videos of how even the elite class muslims are speculated as dalits in so called modern India. Though I by no means trying to justify the wrong by another wrong but these atleast these Indians should create a sense of justice before commenting.
shilpa Aug 22, 2012 01:29pm
kudos to the writer for telling it as it is. it's truly scary to be a hindu girl in the present scenerio in pakistan. forced conversions of their daughters on abduction is forcing hindus to flee pakistan.
Lokesh Aug 22, 2012 01:28pm
Suddenly, there comes such a fantasy of argument which is now where near to truth. You aren't even an Indian citizen, eh?
CMA Aug 22, 2012 01:15pm
Ali you are write i feel amazed at these young Pakistani writers who project the Indian viewpoint and speak against their country and enjoy the comments of Hindu writers praising her writings.
Gautam Aug 22, 2012 01:08pm
MANOJ KUMAR PANJWANI Aug 22, 2012 01:07pm
Hats off. The article reflects the real smell of injustices made within. I salute this reporter of Dawn.
ikj Aug 22, 2012 01:09pm
I do not endorse this. I feel sorry for her and for myself too because there is nothing that I can do for her. However, it is wrong to malign Pakistan and Islam here. Forced conversions happen everywhere around the globe; come on you can’t just pick on one country for it...the Pakistan nation is in doldrums since day 1 and Islam is widely misunderstood here. The people here are whimsical they do not fear God at all. In India, the Christians and Muslims fear for their faith and lives, alike. Even the Sikhs are tortured at times because they’re monotheists. Many incidents of forced conversions are reported from the West and Europe. You need to extend your horizon and instead of using media as a war tool use it to end oppression, wherever found. Any religion is better than none.
Tahir Chaudhry Aug 22, 2012 12:57pm
Sharib786 ; You should be ashamed of yourself. What kind of a monster you are?.
Human Aug 22, 2012 12:56pm
Zeeshan, first read the articles about Gujarat riots. Who started it first place? Can you provide a list of demolished mosques in India and a list of Temples demolished in Pakistan?. we can easily compare who is doing more harm. We are not living an isolated world compare to your country. Your comments clearly stats that you guys are not even studying about your own country's history. What a pathetic soul you are. If you guys are this adamant then soon you will be living in an isolated world.
Imran Aug 22, 2012 12:56pm
The moment I read this great Article I knew that this would be one of most debated article for dawn in recent past... Good article. close to reality. and let us accept this fact about Pakistan and try to help minorities. then only we can be true Muslims
taimur Aug 22, 2012 02:47pm
Very sad to read and my all sympathies are with those ladies who were abducted and forcefully converted. I strongly condemned such happenings, but let me clear to my indian brothers and sisters that Islam does not allow at all force conversion and you will find such happening very rare in Pakistan. Now lets come to India, what about Muslims massacre in Gujrat in 2002, in which approximately 1000 muslims burnt alive and more than 200 mosques were burnt. What about christian massacre in 2008 in which hundreds were burnt alive, young women and nuns were gang raped, almost 3000 houses and 400 churches were blazed to ashes. indians for God sake, please dont compare Pakistan with India, Pakistan is much much better than india, people of Pakistan have never done such brutalities which u have done in the past and are still practicing, secondly if islam had been spread with the sword then u would not find any hindu in the subcontinent, only 13.4 % muslims live in india and that too with very poor condition and they are not allowed to elite class of hindu majority societies. Please stop discrimination.
Zalim Singh Aug 22, 2012 12:28pm
Excellent article Faiza. i think conversion of Hindu girls is a real racket in Pakistan. If only conversion is a issue- why do they have to marry off that girl immediately? Some times as small as 12 years. Even though I think 18 years is the marriageable age in Pakistan. They could send her back home as a Muslim- to preach her parents the new religion. I guess husband is to keep her in line and stay in the fold forcibly as a sex slave. Which proves the often thrown accusation at Islam. It allows sex-slavery. Can anybody deny it? I am from Hindu religion. I will not allow Hindus do such things, even if my religion becomes extinct.
knanjund Aug 22, 2012 12:18pm
Yes , Indians are very much moved at seeing the plight of a pakistani
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER Aug 22, 2012 12:02pm
My dear brother forcefully conversion is forbidden in Islam. It is all being done by so called Islamic Fighter (JIHADIES) who misguides the illiterate persons.
Afsar Malik Aug 22, 2012 02:28pm
Good for you Mam. Please enjoy your talibanized society.
Rizwan Razvi Aug 22, 2012 10:04am
Sharib786, Pakistani citizenship is not defined by religion. Our beloved country will never progress as long as the majority continues to oppress its minorities - wether they are religious minorities, or minority sects within Islam, or ethnic minorities.
Ahmed Saleem Aug 23, 2012 12:23pm
Zakir Naik is neither Anti Pakistan and Anti Muslim. This is a strange news that he is so.
shankar Aug 24, 2012 12:25pm
So what? If you are deeply and really in love get converted. Dont post lies. In India so many Hindus get converted into Islam to marry Muslims and vice versa.
Ahmed Saleem Aug 23, 2012 12:15pm
A Muslim worth the name cannot think of doing such a thing as stated in the story. The writer should have thought of the adverse reaction to such a fiction. Islam was never spread through swords. Had it been so Delhi wouldnt have been Muslim minority area. I am a Muslim and I cannot dream of converting anyone against his or her will. There may be some unfortunate incidents here and there, but it cannot be termed wide spread and alarming. It is the responsibility of the State to protect the citizens of every Faith and culture. There must not be any sense of fear among any citizen of any Faith. Every citizen of this State is free to practise the Faith of his or her choice. No preacher has any right to convert anyone to his Faith forcibly. Abductors are criminals and they are out of the fold of Islam.People who support them in any way, whether he is a turbaned man or otherwise, are also criminals and they have nothing to do with the Faith of Islam. I would humbly request the readers of this fiction and the honourable writer not to malign or defame the Faith of Islam in this way. ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW SUCH CONVERTIONS AND THE FAITH DOES NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO DO SUCH SINFUL ACTIVITIES IN THE NAME OF THE FAITH. sTATE MUST TAKE NOTICE OF SUCH ACTIVITIES IF AT ALL THERE BE ANY.
ramesh Aug 23, 2012 12:13pm
islam is the best religion followed by the worst people , burnad shaw
tsreddy Aug 24, 2012 12:23pm
Percentages would not be right. let me state it in a different way. How many Hindus were there in total in Pakistan in 1950 and how many are there now? Also, how many Muslims were in India in 1950 and how many are there now? Answers to these simple questions would settle all the unnecessary debates. Thanks for your reply
deicider Aug 23, 2012 11:44am
Can you name a few? You see there is no forced conversion in Hinduism because our religion tells us very clearly that you have to be born a hindu you cannot be converted into one.
Aditya Sep 02, 2012 03:31am
Hi All, our dear sister Fazia has been featured in Ibnlive program called Nobody's Countrymen
SK Aug 23, 2012 11:23am
Yep, Hindus were safe in Kashmir. That's why 400,000 were thrown out in 1990.
shankar Aug 24, 2012 12:21pm
Good. Funny where do you get such stories. Muslims have attained high positions and achieved so much in India. Think you are already brainwashed and ready to go on a jehadi trip. Be careful dont come back to India or you will be shot or behind bars for lifetime.
Abdul Qayyum Aug 23, 2012 11:21am
The act of forceful coversion as stated in the story has no backing of Islam. A Quranic verse reads in Arabic as: 'la ikraha fid-deen' which means that 'there is no compulsion in religion' i.e., you cannot be forced into believing. Faith has to be accepted through one's own sweet choice. So, this is a story of the strong apes suppressing rights of the weaker ones out of their lust, greed and satanic inclinations. Similar phenomenon is observed in all ignorant sociaties including high high caste hindus vs Dalits in India, Buddhists vs Muslims in Mayanmar, etc. This is a matter to be evenly highlighted in every society without blaming Islam, Hinduism, Budhism, Christianity, etc. Instead as quoted above, we may draw support from religion. I repeat the Quranic verse again: 'la ikraha fid-deen'.
SK Aug 23, 2012 11:20am
India is a secular country, thats why 400,000 kashmiri pandits were thrown out of Kashmir in 1990. India is a secular country that's why Azim Premji runs WIPRO, and is the second richest person in India. India is a secular country, that's why our biggest bollywood stars are non hindus. India is is a secular country, that's why we all look up to APJ Abdul Kalam!
SK Aug 23, 2012 11:13am
FYI they are hindus fleeing Bangalore because of threats from other up the facts before commenting please.
aijaz ahmed Aug 23, 2012 10:02am
Mr Qasim they all got such positions because they would have paid big bucks.... and the good media is the one that represents the true face .... and write the truth about society..... write false and glorifying for nothing will not change is high time that muslims of pakistan start thinking straight...
aijaz ahmed Aug 23, 2012 09:58am
Mr Pakistai wake up......and accept reality.....come out of your religious shell and start using your brain.
Solitar Aug 23, 2012 09:59am
Congratulations! “Memories of a Hindu girl” yielding to the Greek philosophers’ concept “words leave tremendous effects on audience” has brought forth fascinating insights into fears amongst non-Muslims and prevailing chaos and unrest in the form of Islam-phobia in Pakistan. If for some like Wittgenstein it appears to be merely a game of words or a speculation they must concede to the fact that the words speak louder than words. In the near past Governor Taseer’s homicide by his guard and garlanded on his brilliant success (for the same minded), Shahbaz Bhatti’ brutal assassination, a malang on fire (mystic) in the district of Bahawalpur, a 14 year old Hindu girl abducted-forcibly converted and 11 year old Christian girl subject to down’s syndrome accused of blasphemy law have left remarkable stains on the face of Pakistan, questions to the world at large and shame to the responsible personnel in particular. The head of the state of an Islamic Republic Pakistan along with the Chief Justice have failed in ensuring justice and bringing forth peace and harmony in the land of the pure. Why do you let the WEST down your EGO by making your realize your deficiencies?
A1-Pak Aug 23, 2012 12:59pm
Urban Pakistan is different from Rural Pakistan..... Horror stories against women of all faith are heard every day. For Rural Pakistani women... we need a revolution to throw away all the cults and apply the law of the land.... I worked in a call center in Karachi. Young minority girls and guys are thriving... they are making good money... we have dinners together.... Author has a great responsibility to portray Pakistan as a society correctly... Author is no different than other self incriminating, get quick popularity by bashing your own kind to please the west type. Our eyes are open we know there are horrendous crime being committed against women regardless of the faith.... do something about it!!!
Aslam Bhai Aug 23, 2012 01:03pm
Muslims in India are not being forced to convert. Their Girls are not being Abducted to convert. What is happening in Pakistan in not correct.
Munir Zia Aug 24, 2012 12:52pm
Rahul, answer to your query lies in "story on Australian Missionary Graham Staines who was set on fire alongwith his two kids by a Hindu mob in Orissa (India)". Please go through this news and get the answer.
Aslam Bhai Aug 23, 2012 01:06pm
I second that Hari Bhai.... Being a Muslim from Mumbai i complete agree to what you are saying.
shankar Aug 24, 2012 12:15pm
Are you Indian? Doubtful. Muslims are equal citizens in India.
Rohit Shetty Aug 24, 2012 12:15pm
India rulers were Babur, Akbar
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 01:19pm
Oh please. When Muslims are engaged in it, then there is all the backing in the world, else the story does not resound with it. Listen to yourself speaking atleast. You are not a minority so you do not know the emotional distress this thing it alone causes and once on the verge to convert someone a fundamentalist/hyperactive Muslim will actually exhaust him/herself to do so resorting to threats that is true because I myself am a victim of such nonsensical religious fervor. I raised this coversion issue with my muslim friends and at my own insistence It is all nothing but the game of might is right at the end. My good friends have been muslims who have told me to read every scripture and make a choice on your own.
Umer Aug 23, 2012 01:34pm
i know how bad it feels when the urban residents read about such things happening in rural area of Pakistan. But that doesnt change the reality of what is happening to hindu girls there. If muslims are subject to such voilence in india even then it is not an excuse to do such horrible things to Pakistani Hindus. "La ikraha fid deen" - there is no compulsion in religion. Why? why the hell the so called animal mullahs (not all ofcourse but the most) ponder over this lesson of Quran instead of abducting helpless girls. This flaw is to an extent religious but has to to do significantly with Law and Order of our country, the polictical situation, Education and awareness level etc. We can only hate mullahs (not all ofcourse) but cannot change them. Therefore we need to change what we can - Elect a political party that does not discriminate in providing cheap and easy justice, make everyone follow the law regardless of their religion, status, caste. This is the least what we can do for minorities in Pakistan, They are Pakistanis & Humans.
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 01:27pm
Yet, in India, I have not heard of forced conversion to Hinduism after the Arya Samaj, but that was ages ago.
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 01:26pm
Sorry I would humbly disagree with that. There are a series of rituals in Hinduism that can allow conversion or leave from the religion unlike Jewish or Muslim religion respectfully.
Maira Aug 25, 2012 01:35pm
pls go and read "who killed Heman Karkare" and then get enlightened
roy Aug 24, 2012 12:45pm
there should be more people like u in pak, atleast u admit there is a problem with the forced conversions........many hindus from sindh overstay and refuse to go back to pak in india. What is with islam and conversion? who are theses people who do such acts? I wonder, inspite of all communal voilence now and then India is relatively free and democratic in freedom of religion, I participate happily with my muslim frnds in Eid, (plus the food is gr8) and they reciprocate in deewali and other stuff.....most minorities are relativley safe here, especially when muslims make a sizable vote in many regions of india
A1-Pak Aug 23, 2012 01:41pm
Yes.... but they are burned in thousands... worship place demolished.... discriminated against in all walks of life and completely brainwashed by their hindu rulers
Maqboolfida (@Maqboolfida) Aug 27, 2012 09:57am is the law of karma..nothing to do with religion but justice...and no one can escape it!!
Maqboolfida (@Maqboolfida) Aug 27, 2012 10:00am
As always there are dumbos everywhere...religion is for people, people are not for religion...if you want to follow religion fine your perogative...but don't improse it on others and don't go killing or converting people just because your religion says so!! The guy is not against religion, just that religion does not rule him...he can be a devout hindu without worrying about others being like him or not!! Do you get it?
Bhavin Aug 27, 2012 09:56am
Mr. Syed Muslims live peacefully in India, there are no atrocities happening on them, forget conversions. its completely wrong when you say "We should not be justifying any of this just because what happens in India with muslims"
naeem khan Manhattan,Ks Aug 26, 2012 01:19am
It is a heart wrenching article, I wonder why we have come to this stage,where intolerance is so prevalent in our society any more.It all started right from the inception of Pakistan, somehow the leadership could not rule the country without whipping one community or the other. I wonder if Mr. Jinnah is rolling in his grave to see his beloved country tuned into a nightmare.
manish Aug 26, 2012 05:52pm
@ tej: firstly, i beg your pardon for responding so late. but, then tej, what is the fetish with respecting god. why is it that we can't just go about living our life, helping others, and i think that would be sufficient respect to god itself. again, if our riding car, and boarding bus, disrespects god, then we can overcome it by planting more trees, ensuring afforestation. besides, the difficulty that distancing of god from ourselves creates, is at the front. can't you see, the intolerance pervading our daily life. do you really think when everyone, is getting killed for no reason, a real god would stilll have the indifference to sit coolly seeing us suffering here. also, i know the meaning of abhramnic , if you can specifically point out to me, where i have fumbled, i would be glad.
Syed Jafar Aug 26, 2012 01:21am
Honestly - we are all humans. One bad should not lead to another. Very sorry to hear Faiza's story. We should not be justifying any of this just because what happens in India with muslims or in any country. We should be above this and see how we can participate to fix things and do the right thing. This whole pointing fingers and justifying bad actions leads to chaos and nothing gets resolved. Lets all of us become better human beings and live respectfully with harmony and tolerance.
Zimbo_Indian Aug 23, 2012 01:42pm
The events of Gujrat on those three days in 2002 were true. Stories like the one you narrate were also true. But it is also true that huge sections of the Indian middle class (mostly Hindus) spoke out against the atrocities and fought for justice for the victims (and still do) against the Hindu taliban. Fortunately, such atrocities do not have legal sanction unlike the Blasphemy Law of Pakistan and Magisterial approval of conversions which are so obviously forced. Incidently, the Gujrat CM, Narendra Modi, who presided over the 2002 massacre, is considered to be the most honest and upright leader and the best administrator that the country has ever seen. Industries are falling over each other to relocate to Gujrat from other states. (contd ...), ((cnntd)lawoorder is the
Jagdish Aug 25, 2012 07:37am
Pakistani hindu's gratitude to Muslims and Government in general?? For what?? For letting them be alve?? Cant believe people like you exist in today's age !! This is the height of insenstivity.
Khalid Aug 25, 2012 03:13pm
Dear Fazal, It is people like you who make me cringe. I am so ashamed to be a pakistani and even more ashamed to be a muslim from the same country where this happened. Do you not feel this shame at all??. If this would be your sister or daughter would you still have the same stance???.
Truth Aug 25, 2012 08:54pm
My comment is not about Islam or Hinduism or Christianity or even Atheism. "Why the heck does one have to believe/not beleive in God ?". Why dont humans just mind about themselves and dont bother about what others believe in ? After all it is belief system (which means it is not a fact based ! and hence no concept of right or wrong). So, why not TREAT IT SO !. Do you guys fight over what you believe in as far as "aliens" are concerned ? These belief systems dont have to be shoved on people throats and they should be banned from human society !.
Ravi Aug 27, 2012 05:40am
joke of the century ..!!
Obama Aug 25, 2012 01:16pm
What if every Muslim girl abducted in Christian countries, converted and married to a Christian Guy...and kicking out the Muslim males from the countries?
SCB Aug 25, 2012 01:16pm
Please note that whenever people in power want to prove you as wrong, it is not necessary to be Muslim, Hindus are also victims of such act (I know one such case happen nearby my locality in Jammu & Kasmir), but now use of technology can help innocent people to survive in India better.Incidents of forceful conversion by some Kashmiri muslims after forcefully marrying Buddist/Hindu girls from Leh, Kashmir and Jammu area reported by Media time to time. But Hindus are always better because they do not force anything. I live in J&K and better understand Faiza Mirza. But after forceful conversion she can re-convert to Hinduism, if she so desired. Moreover, it is her responsibility that she teaches her kids about good religion and her forceful conversion.
taranveer Singh Aug 25, 2012 12:15pm
PakistanI people like adanan Sami Veena Malik are freely living and earning in India. rahat fateh Ali khan also stay in India maximum. paksitani people can never let Indians stay in pak like that.
BITTOO Aug 26, 2012 04:12pm
Vishnu Aug 25, 2012 08:04pm
Half baked ideas and half of an interest that is weaning in nature always comes from your end Mr. Abdullah. Why do you wage conflicts when you cannot resolve them and when you know you will always be at a loss in their regard... :)
sanjay Aug 26, 2012 04:01pm
Fazia now i realise pen or writing has no boundry.Please keep doing the good thing.God bless you.
SCB Aug 25, 2012 01:25pm
to Zeeshan. In India, Muslims are getting reservation as per their equivalent caste for Hindus as Other Backward Class or Schedule Cast / Schedule Tribe. Reservation is not as per religion (Hindus or Muslims or Sikh or ...). Please check with Govt Officials for further information.
Maira Aug 25, 2012 01:24pm
Isuggest that you read who killed Heman Karkare to get enlightened
AM Aug 26, 2012 08:37am
What about lakhs of kashmiri pandits who have been displaced from their homeland by muslims? I know of some whose relatives were raped and killed. What about the inccessant infiltratation of illegal bangladeshi muslims? What about the innumerable terrorist attacks on the Indian soil in the name of jehad? I wish they truly knew the meaning of "jehad". Saifi, if you feel unsafe in India, you are most welcome to leave and settle either in UAE/Middle East or Pakistan. You will come to know the difference. Fundamentalism has driven muslims to conduct such henious crimes.
Maira Aug 25, 2012 01:32pm
o yeaH... Respect of women is taught in Bollywood only.... That is what u call respect....
Maira Aug 25, 2012 01:28pm
haha ha ha.... what a joke
Syed Jafar Aug 26, 2012 03:49pm
Very well said...
alien brahmin Aug 26, 2012 09:38am
its wrong , at the wrong time at the place !! she should not have used a public forum or site to speak truth of pakistani society . but i am eger to read her article on the killings of shias , ahamedias and minorities in pakistan . inshallah !
Gaurav Aug 26, 2012 07:24am
thousands?? really? You are not a big fan of reading, right? Govt. jobs are reserved for Hindus? Sorry but they are reserved for the historically backwards and downtrodden, irrespective of their religion. Getting a job or education is as tough for a Muslim as an upper caste Hindu. So, please dont post random facts and comments. And Muslims do get to good colleges and jobs. My college is one of the best in the country and I have many Muslim friends studying in my batch. And its not like they are super rich or something. People like you don't or probably can't work hard enough for a good life and so spend your time abusing the majority and the government.
Aly Aug 26, 2012 06:58am
Wonderful we now have our own Pakistani version of "Dairies of Annie Frank", well i can't wait to see it turning into another blockbuster movie, depicting the plight or should i say genocide of the Hindus in Pakistan, or should i use the word "holocaust", Well done Miss mirza, but must watch out for a plagiarist who might rip off your original peace of imagination and turn it into a blockbuster hollywood / bollywood screen play, in that case i guess royalties should go to you as you are the first person to come with that story, well didn't we need that heroic story to break, kudos for championing "rights", at the "right time" at the "right place"
Ankit Aug 26, 2012 06:46am
Hats off to author for her audacious article portraying the true face of Pakistani majority society towards the weaker minority. I am thankful to you - FAIZA MIRZA. it is so painful at heart to know such a situation of HIndu society in Pakistan. I pray to my God to save all the HIndus in Pakistan.
chandra Aug 27, 2012 04:45pm
heart wrenching story. please migrate to any other country as soon as you can. I do not know what is left for any hindu's to be staying there.
mushtaq shopiani Aug 25, 2012 12:29pm
why most of muslims are crimnal dear i will answer u. recently the the sachar committe in its report has said that muslims in india are systamaticlly discrimnated and the condition of muslims is worst than than dalits. they are systamatically being denied the avenues of employment and harassed by majority especilly the police, thus crimnalism is the only option for a muslim which can provide him security as well as ecnomic benfit
raju Aug 26, 2012 12:26pm
abdullah,this hatred is nothing new. We Indians hate all pakis. You are nuisance people,terrorists.
Mridul Aug 27, 2012 01:18am
wow! you have no clue about india, do you? pathetic....
Kaly Aug 25, 2012 04:55pm
After a thought, I came to the conclusion that the root cause of all the problem is invasion of Arabic people to India, before that all India, including Pakistan & BD were full of Hindus only. Then some people got converted for different reason, then Hindu-Muslim conflict, then creation of Pakistan and so on.... Am I right?
Thomas kalappura Aug 25, 2012 05:20pm
One should have freedom to choose his way of life including religion. How can one force another to convert / You can go on praising your religion and god, but have tolerance to others by allowing them to practice what they believe. Who has authority on God and his teachings. The authority should be one's own mind and conscience. But islamists do not agree, as they believe in numbers without realising that the forced ones are not at vall believers but fakes just to escape torchure Thomas kalappura
David M Aug 26, 2012 08:12pm
You are against religion yet call yourself a Hindu. Is that hypocrisy or just plain mumbo-jumbo?
Shujah.A.R Aug 25, 2012 09:40am
Dear Brothers,plz don't abuse each other.Ours is a very short life and try do some thing beneficial to others.Islam never support forced conversion and strictly prevented.If some one does,doesn't mean that Islam support it.All religion says good deeds but practising and following matters the difference.Don't judge amy religion by seing its followers and if you want to know more about Islam read translation of Quran and you will find a conclusion. One last suggestion- don't believe medias coz they are only doing marketing, no other sentiments.Half of their news are fabricated and market oriented.
David M Aug 26, 2012 08:21pm
Speak for yourself, Mr. 'Congeniality'! From: An 'Indian' Christian.
n p singh Aug 25, 2012 09:47am
wah !! N P SINGH
Sameer Aug 25, 2012 08:03am
I bet your are not an Indian muslim. And yes, India is infinite times better. You speak of Gujrat, but conveniently forget that more than 50 hindu pilgrims in Godhra (Gujrat) were burnt to death by frenzied muslim mobs. No muslims came out in protest to condemn it. What then followed was retribution by the majority community, which is again condemnable as two wrongs dont make one right. The Police brands you terrorist, eh? Have you checked why? Most criminals are Muslims why? even when there are more than equal number of derived and destitute hindus. You always live in denial and have persecution complex... you always feel others are out to get you. Please dont be schizoprenic. If the whole world is against you then it is for a reason. Your rant seems like "Duniya kehti mujhko pagal may kehta duniya ko pagal" .
Maira Aug 25, 2012 01:11pm
coz many hindus found that Islam is the only true religion and they converted. If you guyz also read about kalki avatar, then you might also find the light.... Peace brother
Sameer Aug 25, 2012 08:21am
You obviously have no respect for women and humanity.
uzair Aug 26, 2012 01:44pm
and i pray to God to save muslims and christians in India as well.........from being converting to hinduism or from being burn alive or from being rape of girls and women in India situation is much better in Pakistan rather than India...
vivek Aug 25, 2012 05:22am
@Zeeshan: bt still In India there is far more better situation than pakistan.Thats the reason muslims in India is more in no ,because they are safe & protected.They are more educated & growing opportunity is more in india that pakistan.India is democratic but pakistan is relogious country
abdulazeez Aug 25, 2012 05:09am
@shankar , zeeshan is not indian he is a pakistani.
Rj Aug 25, 2012 04:38am
Spot on!
NRC Aug 25, 2012 04:26am
Much as I respect ur thoughts as a noble human being, pl. be careful of airing them or u might meet the same fate as Akbar Bugti!
Human Aug 25, 2012 04:25am
People don't become healthy just by changing cloths. I believe the purpose of a religion is not to convert others (i.e change from one set of clothes, rituals, belief systems etc. to another set of clothes, rituals belief systems) but transform individuals so that they may acquire a healthy body, healthy mind and a healthy spirit. Therefore instead of wasting one's time and energy in converting others (LIKE WHAT IS DONE IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM), one must channelise one's efforts in becoming religious himself or herself first. This is how an ordinary person transformed himself into a Jesus, This is how an ordinary person transformed himself into a Buddha, and this is how an ordinary person transformed himself into a Prophet.
NRC Aug 25, 2012 04:20am
Then why don't Muslims of India convert to Hinduism as Hindu girls in Pakistan do? Don't post articles justifying terrorism, how come India had 3 Muslim presidents if Muslims r being victimized?
NRC Aug 25, 2012 04:15am
It's u who r SILLY, most probably Hindus aren't even 1 percent in Pakistan, hence tareddy is using per thousand instead of percentage which simply means per hundred!
GSNRaju Aug 25, 2012 04:00am
I appreciate your gut feeling bhai. People have to change their attitudes towards religions and human relations.
GSNRaju Aug 25, 2012 03:56am
It is false and rubbish! Infact if there is problem related to religion, Muslims are more united and ruthless in attacking the Hindu neighbours.
GSNRaju Aug 25, 2012 03:50am
Very nice analysis. I like your logic and impariality
farooq Aug 25, 2012 02:40am
Why arent Amnesty International and other human rights watch groups invited to visit Kashmir then?
Chris Aug 25, 2012 02:30am
OK Lets talk about percentage. There were 22 % Hindu population before partition in Pak and Bangladesh. Now there are only 1.7 percent in Pak and 9 % in Bngladesh. Where r rest? Please have some tolerance for Minority. In India there were 10 % before partician and now there are 13 %. I am not saying Hindus are 100 % tolerant for muslims, there are some radicals in Hindus as well. Most of the Hindus in india know what Muslims did for 1000 years in India. We know how many temples destroyed, how many people killed esp. by Gori, Tugluq, aurangajeb etc.....We also know what is the status of Hindus in Kashmir....we know about terrorist attacks in India......We treat Muslims as equal citizens of India......We know Hindus hurt muslims by destroying Babri maszid and Godhra violence, but there are at least 50 times attocities against Hindus in India itself in last 1000 years history.....Wake up and have tolerance Read
atlas Aug 24, 2012 12:32am
nation of such hateful people - in addition to persecution described above, the article on ahmadiyyas and the views of the general public are nothing less than inflammatory
Rahul Aug 24, 2012 12:44am
Forced conversions!!! You can officially and forcefully convert a Hindu to a Muslim, but can you change the way they think? What would make you mentally a Muslim ?
Tony Aug 24, 2012 12:41am
Similar conversions are called 'Love Jihad' in Kerala, India.... sadly our 'secular Congress government' keeps silent on such acts to appease minorities
raju Aug 26, 2012 12:25pm
Indian hindus would be delighted if all the muslims from India migrate to pakistan. I can bet my last dollar,no sane indian muslim will agree to that.
Fazal Aug 25, 2012 01:16am
Faiza mirza. I'm sorry you even have a muslim sounding name. How about writing countless pakistani hindu's citizen's gratitude to the muslims & the government in general? Would you know anything about that? How about writing that as an Islamic state/Govt. the Hindu minority is absolved of "jizya" - in accordance with the Shariat. Would you know anything about that? Posing as a face for supposedly oppressed people doesn't make it better for them because of weird notions such as yours. And your confusion is so much that you confuse muslims as praying to the same god? The same god manifested in colours etc etc etc. Please read up on Islam & find out the concept of God. He is the sustainer and to him who prays in accordance to his described ways through his prophets is known as a believer. The rest are non believers. (doesn't make them anyway less human as you would like to point out) They had a choice and we made the choice. Simple enough. Would you know anything about this?
BajjR Battu Aug 25, 2012 12:59am
BINOD BHAIYA! Check your facts. India has most number of muslims in the world and most of them don't like Pakistan!
Alyzah Aug 24, 2012 06:51am
And your comments show the level of education and intellectualism you possess. Why are you launching a personal attack on the author or DAWN? Just because you
reshma Aug 27, 2012 12:55pm
raju a person who points others is a biggest nuisance no Sane Indian will hate Pakistani they r genuine good people if u ever came across one. i am also born and brought up in India
vinod Aug 23, 2012 10:11pm
Hinduism is not a religion,but a way of life. Islam is a religion with good intentions,but practiced by misguided people.
Human Aug 24, 2012 10:23pm
Above and beyond, this is a sick Society and set of Mentality which does the conversion, celebrate it and think that they are appeasing the god they have made in their mind. Thinking through, I have yet to find god who will accept these forced abductions, rapes, forceful living with someone for all like. This to me is Satanic and not godly. These abductors and whoever believes and supports them, the society, the justice system, politicans and everyone else involved represent that tyranny. But whoever believes and knows god, also knows that god is perfect and smartest of smarts. Whatever goes around will come around.
mir aftab Aug 26, 2012 11:21am
A wondorous article a clear depiction that shows abuse in the name of religion and violation of basic human rights. Our guardians of constitution should realize that not taking action tantamounts to bringing disgrace to the nation of Pakistan which is already touching its lowest ebb. Ours is a country where the main constituent institutions are held hostage by fanatics and unless they are stricken down by constitution and implementors, we will not have enough good precedents to ensure our progress as a society.
ArvaVeer Aug 24, 2012 12:36pm
1. The number of Hindus have dwindled in Pakistan since Independence till today - that is a given fact. They are treated as second class citizens - by the state itself. While in India, Muslims have equal rights, recourse to law and are in fact perceived to be pampered by the secular governments with education and job quotas and other freebies to harness their votes. 2. Most Pakistanis don't know what is happening as it is only in this age and time that their media has gained the guts to stand up and displays such stories of blatant discrimination (especially after the debacle of Hindus migrating to India, upsetting Jinnah's vision). And they have braved the criticism that will come their way like - anti-pak, pro-india, gaddar etc. So a lot of kudos is due to Dawn and other publications for doing the right thing.
raj Aug 24, 2012 10:01am
@Anan: situation of Indian muslims are far better off than even of Pak muslims. Look at pakistan, muslims being killed by muslims only, there is forced conversion going on, minor girls is being prosecuted in the name of blasphemy law, minorities are force to flee pakistan.... please take care of pakistan. minorities in Indian have given enough right & freedom to defend themselves. Pls dont worry abt Indian muslims...they are are proud Indian.
ASHIM CHOUDHURY (@AshimChoudhury) Aug 24, 2012 09:46am
Rehan Saab, India has had two Muslim Presidents, India has currently got a Muslim Vice-President, India has had Muslims as the Chiefs of Army and Air Force, India has had Muslim Chief Justices of the Supreme Courts, India has presently and in the past had senior Central Ministers and State Chief Ministers of the Muslim faith. In India muslims have equal rights with all others including the Hindus. Incidentally, the Indian Government subsidises the expenditure on Haj pilgrimage, something even Pakistan does not do! The muslims in India are happier than even the muslims in Pakistan and that is why there are also muslims crossing over to India but there is no traffic in the opposite direction.
Sana Aug 24, 2012 09:39am
I would like to bring this to the authors notice....I am a muslim Girl, I am in love with a Hindu boy...we both don't follow either of our religions....its just the name we carry...but both our families are wanting us to convert as per their religions...It is surprising that my clans who are Muslims agreed to a hindu ceremony but the boys side are not...they are very rigid! They don't want a Court Marriage..either..if we have to get married we have to do it the Hindu and not any other way.....Here they are even forcing my mom to attend the hindu ceremony....I just fail to understand I am a part of a BIG Television group..and i am not writing anything about the demands and conditions my to be in-laws are keeping in front of me....Its not about the community or the faith that they follow it is about their roots, the way they think and the society they live is unfair to compare Hindus of Pakistan to the Muslims in India...!
Jaffar Baloch Aug 24, 2012 08:56am
I cant understand why we compare Muslims in India with Hindus in Pakistan. What is the justification if India is doing wrong then our wrongs become right. Why we not think that these are Pakistani citizens. they have equal rights and above all we are muslim. why we not think that what our religion says. I think we have no justification. I am not agree with the author that every hindu girls in Sind lives with fear and she is converted forcefully. But I cant denied that these events happen in Pakistan and feel ashame on it.
shilpa Aug 24, 2012 08:45am
i must commend dawn which is a pakistani publication for publishing this story. for many indians like myself it is heartening to see that there are sane voices too in pakistan.i made my daughter read this story and she too was moved to tears.hope good sense prevails and and strict measures are taken to prevent such dastardly acts in the future.
chrissal Aug 24, 2012 04:07am
Hi,Not only a girl will be forcefully converted but even the ash of the death will be taken away...this happened in Malaysia recently.
anan Aug 24, 2012 07:51am
Definitely you should write whats happening to the minorities in India...the author could not write probably because she could not find things that are worrisome...Would Pakistani media be bold enough to honestly report about the lives of Muslims in India? I would want the people of Pakistan to get a clear view of how people of India think and behave socially and proly Dawn could help there...that way Pakistanis would be able to see through their homw grown propoganda and its futility... It needs sense to understand how the government of India (be it Congress or BJP) has steadfastly upheld our constitutional right to live free; freedom of speech, freedom of practicing a failth, equality etc...agreed we have problems but definitely not anti-minority is not a state policy...
Minmon Aug 24, 2012 08:34am
I DO NOT AGREE WITH ZAINAB. You are living in an illusion in Pakistan !!!
Jaffar Baloch Aug 24, 2012 07:29am
The problems exit both side in Pakistan and India. but being a Pakistani I think that if some thing wrong in India it doesnt mean that we should punish to our Pakistani brothers and sisters. I think the minorities in Pakistan are first of all Pakistani. It is not a good thought to do same with hindu if some thing happend in India.
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 07:21am
how can i increase my intellect...???? :-(
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 07:18am
a short tempered
ravi Aug 24, 2012 06:49am
you got wrong info muslims n hindus living happily in india just some evils who dont have any religion creats disturbance. a girl frm muslim as well as hindu religion can walk freely in market without any fear as they knwo that if there are some evils then lot of well wishers with them...
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 06:42am
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 06:38am
100% agreed.........
Maira Aug 24, 2012 06:33am
If you had read about Islam then you would have long accepted it as the only true religion... Go check Kalki Avataar and his signs... Stop seeing pornography of bollywood and disconnect from the mainstream media to do some internal soul searching... peace brother.
Maira Aug 24, 2012 06:29am
She will not listen... she is yet on another mission... To create yet another story to please her handlers...
aamir ali Aug 24, 2012 06:27am
This is ridiculous I've lots of friends in Sindh Especially my friend Parshotum Kumar Khattri with whom I'd business as well we were just great friends! Whenever he comes to Lahore stayed with me. We had lot of fun and business! This "Dhookhee" Story is nothing but a pseudo - intellec-chawal claim cursing religion and country! an easy recipe for success!
Salman Aug 24, 2012 06:22am
I am not trying to say that every Hindu in Pakistan is marginalized and treated differently but many of them have faced discrimination on one account or the other. And that is what I am trying to say wake up and look at the people who are not doing so well. People who are happy are not the only Pakistanis. Don
Maira Aug 24, 2012 06:16am
since when? Come out of your illusion and hypnotism.... stop reading TimesofIndia and see the real people and then comment..
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 06:16am
you should also meet the happy hindus living in Pakistan too write about them ...... i can give u their contacts if u need
Salman Aug 24, 2012 06:02am
The sound of secularism is a lot more appealing than Talibanism and Mullahism if you know what I mean. You seem to be a skeptical who has issues with anything and everything. Wake up and smell the coffee. Travel and see what
Zainab Aug 24, 2012 05:55am
There is nothing like that in PAKISTAN, Many of Hindus have studied & worked with me, and they are treated as normally as others . We care for their holy events, we respect their norms and religion. There is no reservations any where for minorities, neither in education nor in jobs. We are happily living together.
Rajesh Aug 24, 2012 03:42pm
They have done the same to Kashmiri Hindus in India Kashmir. No Indian Govt. is moved by seeing the Kashmiri Hindu refugees living on the streets of New Delhi and elsewhere.
rehan Aug 24, 2012 05:51am
And what ideology should be aligning ourselves with ? Secularism ?
Zainab Aug 24, 2012 05:47am
Strongly agree with Rehan
Raja GSN Aug 24, 2012 05:46am
Your narration seems to be real. But that kind of treatment towards a minority girl is not heard of in india. We feel it like obsurd.
Salman Aug 24, 2012 05:46am
This is a parable. I suggest you google parable for your information and everyone else
Kaly Aug 24, 2012 05:37am
Are you joking? Muslim in India will never speak against this, they even don't care for Indian Hindus, for them supporting illegal Bangladeshis are more important than caring fellow countrymen of different people, and its happening everywhere, Mumbai/Lucknow/Ranchi/Jamshedpur. People are really fedup....
Raja GSN Aug 24, 2012 05:37am
You are mistaken. Muslims india are just like Hindus having equal rights, equal chances, to vote to express their descent and equal responsibilities and opportunities. Even, some sections of muslims have reservations in education and jobs. What about you in Pakisthan?
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 05:10am
this faiza mirza always writes on the same topics........faking stories....defaming pakistan.
Kaalikali Aug 24, 2012 04:57am
bull! There is no conversion because you are ok as you are NOT because you can only be born as a Hindu. You can turn yourself into a Hindu whenever you want. Hinduism is a way of life & philosophy. Rituals are tools to either help you to get into the frame of mind or to provide work/earning for the priests who tell you they are needed. You do NOT have to listen to them. They cannot declare a Fatwah (kill order like muslims clerics do). i.e. person A can meditate using a dot on the wall but B finds it easier to concentrate on a flame (Aryasamaji Hindus), C an image depicting an aspect God (Laxmi for wealth etc.) & D may need nothing. Historically all three of the middle eastern religions have spilled a lot of non believer blood. Crusades were launched to steal Muslim riches, Jews do the same to the Palestinians, the muslim hoardes did the same in India. Timur Lane, Changez Khan, down to Aurangzeb who forcibly taxed all non muslims. Abdul Saleem seems to have forgotten history. Yes today there are so called 'Hindu' radicals - it is so lucrative! The riches & (addictive) power accumulated by Ibrahim Dowd gave rise to the likes of Bal Thakeray. Much easier for criminals to recruit able bodied young men if they disguise their criminal activities under a religious banner.
g. ag Aug 24, 2012 04:52am
muslim in india is safe and no such thing happens to them
Peace Aug 24, 2012 04:50am
Ahhhh.......... i'm heart broken. I heard and saw many poor Hindu girls forced to convert and then marry to some Muslim person (most of the time their kidnappers). Mr. Rehan Khan Minorities in every country facing same issues but it doesn't mean that we stop raising voice for them in Pakistan. Yes in India many Muslims and Christians burnt alive even in Burma we are hearing the news of cruel killings. We should pray and raise voice for the Rights of each and every minor. May God give us courage and wisdom to support Human rights ameen.
Shamim Aug 24, 2012 04:27am
two wrongs doesn't make anything right.
Ali Zain Aug 23, 2012 02:04pm
Amazing article
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 01:57pm
Please... Your Existence Might Be Fictitious...
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 01:57pm
This is out of context of the current predicament presented here.
dsreddy85 Sep 02, 2012 07:42am
Thanks to the Reporter for being so openminded to bring this story.. Thanks to the for posting this... Civilisation is that " Giving reverence to the Life". If someone doesnt care for the life, that to of a human, then its not civilisation at all. This is a horrible story to hear or know about. Prayers for all those hindus in pakistan & Bangladesh who are either forced to convert or victims of love Jihad (loving the hindu girls and marrying them to take their property while converting them).
WAQAR Aug 23, 2012 01:53pm
A journalist should be responsible for authenticity of his/her information or news. Validity of content is judged through comprehensive information with facts and Facts are not judged through emotional intensity of the written material.
raj Aug 23, 2012 01:51pm
Well done.......Faiza Mirza. u did brave job by highlighting the facts which is being ignored by pak establishment. This is type of genocide or mass cleansing. By crushing their minority, pak is doing harm to themselves only. May good sense prevail and Pak govt take some strict action to curb these type of injustice....!!!
Zimbo_Indian Aug 23, 2012 01:46pm
Ironically, excellent law and order is Gujrat's USP. Many Indians believe that Modi is India best choice as PM in 2014 when the nations elects the next govt. In spite of all this, Modi's own party BJP, can not dare to project him as a potential PM because they know that Indian masses will never accept a murderer as PM even if he happens to be a great administrator.
A. Razzak Aug 23, 2012 07:20pm
This the truth, it is universal TRUTH HAS COME TO DEMOLISH THE FALSE. FACT IS FACT.
Razia Aug 23, 2012 07:13pm
just because you say so, it does not become true. Show me sources. People like you make Pakistan unlivable and bring reasonable Muslims a bad name.
Razia Aug 23, 2012 07:12pm
Arya samaj forced conversions? Was that a Muslim outfit?
Pankaj Patel(USA) Aug 23, 2012 06:49pm
Manju you are ignorent and do not know history.British were like Mughals just wanted to rule and loot and not interested in converting and taking risk of an uprising.Christianity was also brutally spread by Spanish,Portuguese inquisition all over America and parts of Africa.
A. Razzak Aug 23, 2012 06:48pm
Could they speak against the massacre of their fellow brothers killed in Gujarat, in Aasam ------?
Sachin Aug 23, 2012 06:41pm
@Aslam - Thank you Mr.Aslam ..this answer was really needed which is the truth.
A. Razzak Aug 23, 2012 06:28pm
Yes ,yes you kill to convert, look at the massacre of Gujarat , of late of Assam & so on, what to talk of few?
A. Razzak Aug 23, 2012 06:18pm
Let 's follow the religion which is the Best religion.
Amit Sharma Aug 23, 2012 06:13pm
No doubt Ahmad, but such things can happen in Pakistaan only.
Khatri Aug 23, 2012 05:55pm
I still recall my childhood memories of how Paksitanis reacted in Pakistan on Babari mosque incident. When there are Hindu / Muslim riots in India both the parties suffer loss, but when it happens in Pakistan its one sided. Yes, so you can't really call it riot.
Khatri Aug 23, 2012 05:48pm
Those how followed up such stories in real time know that even Cheif Justice was talked with, but in wein.
Razia Aug 23, 2012 05:43pm
Islam in practice...
Khatri Aug 23, 2012 05:40pm
Khatri Aug 23, 2012 05:39pm
Why do we care so much about India? Why don't we look into ourself?
Renuka Aug 23, 2012 05:36pm
I say self reflection is extinct and that what i assimilate from the comments received to this article...Faiza a great job done and this i say not being a Hindu woman but as an human being whose basic right to live is being violated and challenged each day. Names, religion and geographical boundaries may differ but reality prevails...yes a reality which many religious minorities in any part of the world may experience....but why do we have the yardstick 'of comparatively better off than India etc'. Why dont we see where the nation is heading too...
Khatri Aug 23, 2012 05:35pm
Ethenic voilence and forced conversion by abduction are two different subjects. Please dont mix. The later destroys honor and dignity of a whole lot of families.
Khatri Aug 23, 2012 05:29pm
Such turbuned men are over-previllaged people of this society and have respresentatives or memberships in the State. Who is going to put pressure on Government to take action against such atrosities. Had Pakistan been a tolerant society, moderate majority would have influenced Government to eliminate this menance long ago.
R Aug 23, 2012 04:37pm
Hatsoff to writer for depicting the feelings off females from minority...for those who think otherwise and think this is fictitious need to look around...we see examples of intolerance all around...
Shivam Aug 24, 2012 07:34pm
@Zeeshan----You are a Pakistani claiming to be an Indian Muslim just to ignite communal fire and save your face. I request you to stop your hypocrisy and approach your District Collector(if you're an Indian) with your grievances which are all just fabricated----"..killings of Muslims in the time of riots by being and equipping Hindu groups with every weapon you could think of.." What weapons? You're Bangladeshis immigrants in Assam have them smuggled through Pakistan not us Hindus,anytime anywhere. You always promote terrorism whether in kashmir or Afghanistan,Balochistan etc. etc. You pakistanis hate your own ppl. Proof?--You claiming to be an indian muslim with your laughable fabricated tales. File a Police Fir in India,it won't go unheard coz' its India.
Jagdish Aug 23, 2012 04:03pm
It is myth to say Islam was never spread through swords. There have been good muslim kings but many tryant muslim kings as well who have spread islam by sword. Islam came to India several centuries ago first in Sindh and then slowly to other parts of Northern India. Emperor Akbar established his empire by marrying into Hindu Rajput Kings to seek their co-operation and spread his rule in India, during his time muslims and hindus were treated fairly. However during his descendants rule especially Aurangzeb
astheredbaronsays Aug 24, 2012 07:35pm
sukkhi Aug 23, 2012 02:15pm
in comparison to pakistan,muslims are living better life in India....
Manu Aug 23, 2012 03:03pm
WHAM !!! OK now wake up from your nice dreamy sleep and see the reality. Ta Da !!
anand Aug 23, 2012 02:58pm
@Faiza Mirza, Thanks for true journalism. Journalists like you made Dawn as a dependable new paper
shankar Aug 24, 2012 12:37pm
Hello! There was a rally which turned ugly last week by Muslims in support of Rohingyas in Myanmar. Were you not in India then? It is all because of feeling of persecution and isolation(Living in ghettos). Join the mainstream. Follow proper family planning. India is already struggling to feed all.
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 02:34pm
I think you are turning a blind eye toward the plight of minorities in general by giving general comments over the entire situation which you are analysing in a rather superficial and light manner. The revolution will always be disguised in form of blood shed and ethnic cleansing. Pakistan is well known for its image which is correct after you have done some soul searching on your part. It has taken years for an author of that sort to come up with an article so openly must you resort to your weak argument of the orient vs occident at this point?
Vishnu Aug 23, 2012 02:28pm
No one is blaming Islam, we are educated enough. The blame is only on those that are assertive beyond reason.
SK Aug 26, 2012 10:17am
First the author of this article surprised me and now you with your comments. I truly see a light and hope that there is still a hope for humanity.
Kumar Aug 26, 2012 09:28am
Abdullah Khan Karachi, Pakistan Mr Naeem Jinnah didnt tel u to run away when ur country is in such kind of crisis...stop enjoying ur life in Manhattan come back to Pakistan and then comment on us.....
Rehan Rizvi Aug 24, 2012 01:07pm
ashwani Aug 24, 2012 11:20am
You are misinformed as the reason behind the riots was burning of 52 nos. of Hindu Karsewaks at Godhra by Muslim fundamentalist. Does anybody have courgae to come out straight and speak the true reason behind the fury of the mob.Further Muslims are quite happy and living in peace in Gujarat.Kindly stop spreading hatred and let people (all religions) live in peace.
Usman Aug 24, 2012 11:17am
please read the basics of Islam...& learn what Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) teachs us. Just because of thinking like u people(@Sharib786) Muslim r being killed by so-called Muslim...& u even didnt think, when someone burn Quran u protest everywhere but what about the Muslim who they burn QURAN themself by destroying Masajids in the name of Allah...while Islam is religion of Peace & patience.
Vivekavardhana Aug 24, 2012 11:15am
Religion is a way of living . If one had taken birth as a human being he/she have freedom to live in any way they want. The religion would make lives better but never worse. Being a Hindu Indian national i do love muslimism. Pure religion followers will never force others to get converted into their religion as they will be in busy in practicing the religion. In this modern world uneducated religion followers can become melancholic to make others just to follow their semi-orthodox, a semi-patriotic and a bit illicit feelings but not their Religion. Because i believe all religions are one. It is the that humans compartmentalize the the GREAT HUMAN religion into different Legio . Follow the Religion but not Legio.
ashwani Aug 24, 2012 11:10am
Please tell who is equipping the hindu groups with weapons,in fact hindus in India are themselves a victim of Muslim intolerance.Take up any news paper you will find maximum news of violence, chain snatching, eve teasing, gathering in groups and defying law etc all being done by muslims. In India muslims are no more victims but today Hindus are victims
sana khan Aug 24, 2012 11:09am
@Zeeshan: if the situation in India so bad why don
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 11:05am
Would you believe Suhail Seth who writes his mindset or the Muslims who have seen their own families being slaughtered, mothers and sisters raped by hindu mobs, children pierced with swords and arrows in thier genitals? Modi is doing whatever for Gujarat and only to gain power as Prime Minister. If being a CM he has outdone Hitler, imagine what a man like him can do when he becomes the PM ! What action has the government done besides only criticizing him to gain Muslim vote? Nothing at all. Speak to the victims of Assam and you will know what the gruesome facts are. Some journalists who adore Modi have been bought and sold many times. Please trust the victims and not the fiction makers.
AW Aug 24, 2012 11:05am
You have to......being a minority.............
saad Aug 24, 2012 11:02am
Zeehsan if the author of this blog is looking for cheap fame then why don
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 11:00am
Indian government services and defense have only 0.1% of Muslims and there is nothing called reservation for Muslims in India. The proposal was used as a vote bank which never came out of the files. Whoever says what you are saying is a bigtime liar.
Ravi Aug 24, 2012 11:00am
He cannot offer proof. That's what he has been told by his mullahs
Shabab Aug 24, 2012 10:59am
Well said
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 10:58am
Nonsense. Gujarat has been the Shame of India with many thousands of women and children made to drink kerosine and burst like bombs. Just because they are strangers to you does not mean to justify your indifference. Assam, thousands of Muslims being slaughtered and another thousands displaced and made refugees. Either you are a Hindu making this comment or you are ruthless as this author.
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 10:56am
yes but why cover one wrong and ignore the other? Muslims in India are being slaughtered and you are cold-blooded and have no feelings about it. Are you a Muslim of a Munafiqeen?
Abdul Wahid Aug 24, 2012 10:56am
I think you must have watched Aamir Khan's TV show "Satyamev Jayate". That truly tells the factual story.
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 10:55am
I think this woman is like Veena Mallik, in fact worse. She is simply trying to get fame, at whatever cost. Such people are a stigma to humanity.
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 10:54am
Have you ever tried to find out the position of Muslims in India? I am an Indian Muslim and it is very common for the law makers and the authorities to support the killings of Muslims in the time of riots by being and equipping Hindu groups with every weapon you could think of. Otherwise, it is easy to catch any ordinary Muslim to make numbers for the police and label him a terrorist and plant some hi tech weapons on him. Have you tried to find the situation in Gujarat, Assam, etc.? It is a pity that Muslims have everything in the world to think of except their own people and their own faith. This is the reason that Muslims in the world are suffering because they are only Muslims by name and never by action or faith. Any place in the world, if a Hindu or a Sikh is victimized, all Sikhs or Hindus in India unite and protest. However, if Muslims are slaughtered in masses in one country, no other Muslims across the world is bothered. What a community we are!!
bk Aug 24, 2012 10:54am
While I agree with you, please always remember there is a huge historical record the other way round. The Ind gov and press have criticised Modi, v often. They even asked the US to not give him a visa. Gujarat Muslim victims have Hindu lawyers and activists helping them for free. Modi himself seems to have done plenty for them as per Suhail Seth's articles. So India is a paradise, with perfect human rights? No, sometimes good, often stumbling, and not perfect even for Hindus but to compare it with Saud or Pak is ridiculous. Also do google Leonard Wise, Jew.
Abdul Wahid Aug 24, 2012 10:50am
By saying that the Mughals had forcefully converted hindus to muslims, you have are just ignored the noble acts of holy saints like Khawaja Moinuddin Ajmeri, Hazrat Ali Hajveri, Nizamuddin Aulia and thousands of such noble persons who devoted their lives to spread the message of peace and love.
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 10:48am
Yours is a silly logic, when you know there is a vast difference between the populations of India and Pakistan, you should have used the word percentage in your deductions rather than per.
bk Aug 24, 2012 10:47am
Are many Indian Muslims begging to go to Pakistan? Any Indian Muslim girls fleeing TO Pak or Saudi?
tsreddy Aug 24, 2012 10:42am
I think a simple factual answer would answer the reality of it all. Per 1000 Hindus in Pakistan in 1950, how many Hindus are there in Pakistan today? Per 1000 Muslims in India, how many Muslims are there in India today. Honest answer to these questions would tell the Truth in simplicity that any man on the street can understand as to what is happening. Since I believe in Jesus Christ, I have no sides to take here - but I do want the truth out.
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 10:40am
I don't know about Pakistan but I a sure you don't know that the man who massacred 10000 Muslims in Gujarat has been made the Chief Minister of that state. Have you come across any country where a mass murderer is adulated and made to feel like God simply because he wipes out one community entirely? Why don't you publish this as well?
Sam Aug 24, 2012 10:39am
Division caused by religion exists everywhere, but more so in underdeveloped/undeveloped nations. Hindus certainly are a more tolerant people, because Hinduism is a way of life and NOT a religion. While strife exists everywhere --- for any reason-- India is definitely a much safer place than Pakistan, to be in, and practising any form of religion, This report is not from India or Pakistan, but from people foreign to both countries
Vasu Aug 24, 2012 05:04pm
Really thousands drank kerosine? Were you there when that happened? Initially I thought fanatic muslims doused kerosine on hindu pilgrims but you are so pathetic. You self advertise here that you are true indian muslim, but I tell you, for muslims, religion comes first and then everything else. Until you change your mindset from universal islamic brotherhood to universal brotherhood, you will never find peace in your religion. Every morning you wake up thinking "Oh my god, my muslim brothers in Burma are slaughters, my muslim sisters in Chechnya are raped, my muslim uncles in Iraq are bombed! Stop thinking of people who are not related to you by blood. If your heart feels for them, then it should feel for every human being. Why only muslims? Isn't it hypocrisy? This only shows how your interpretation of your religion is so shallow.
Saifi Aug 24, 2012 04:50pm
In Gujarat riots thousands of Muslims were killed. Most of them were burnt. A woman who was in advanced stage of pregnancy had her belly open with swords, the child taken out and then both were burnt. I don't need write more. India is not much better than Pakistan. At least Pakistani Hindus can migrate to India. But where do Indian Muslims go? Nowhere. We also live in constant fear and terror. A chill goes down my spine when I see a policeman. They can brand us terrorist and throw in jail to rot. A very laughable argument is made that Modi has never been prosecuted by any court of law. That itself shows what kind of courts of law we have in India. All the resources are owned by Hindus. We have to work doubly hard to achieve something as all govt jobs are reserved for Hindus. By dolling out some insignificant rubber stamp positions to so called Muslims (they're mostly practicing Hindus) India claims to give positions to Muslims.
shankar Aug 24, 2012 12:10pm
Zeeshan duffer. Why do you live in India?. Go and live in your utopian Country You dont want to listen anything bad but keep on nagging about India. Are you truly Indian?
Saifi Aug 24, 2012 04:32pm
That's the point. Hindus own media, police, judiciary, government etc. Only cowards like you Hindus can claim to be a victim even when slaughtering Muslims in the thousands. We muslims In India are not in any better shape either. We also live in constant fear. Even if we happen to be 15-20%, our representation in Govt, Govt jobs etc is miniscule.
rizwan Aug 24, 2012 02:59pm
why suffer in india ZEESHAN? enjoy life in any of the rest 56 islamic countries in world. best would be to migrate to pakistan, where you will find a lot of like-minded people like you.
Abdullah Aug 24, 2012 02:53pm
did u learn hatred at HARVARD...should i get enrolled there?
hisi Aug 24, 2012 02:40pm
Try to read without prejudice and it may make sense
toby Aug 24, 2012 02:38pm
Isnt that Mamata banerjee said that every muslim imam receives like 2000 rs as salary, I mean come on Hindus dont get sops. There are minority colleges only for muslims, reservations everywhere, jobs, educational instituations. There were spasms of violence which is unfortunate, but dont sound like India is pakistan, India is opposite of pakistan. Learn it, love it, appreciate it
Zeeshan Aug 24, 2012 11:31am
Times of India is a pawn of the government and there is no fair press in India because all of them are free but corrupt and hijacked by the government and basically they are Hindutva supporters. How can you expect such newspapers to publish truth about Muslims? Is it not clear? Hindu killer groups are free to do anything they want. But have you ever heard of a group that represents Muslims in India? If such a group is even formed, it is crushed on the pretext of terrorist activities and all its members are subjected to unimaginable atrocities. Wonder why people across the border are so ignorant about all this. It just needs common sense and sight. Would this have happened if Muslims in India had equal rights as Hindus? If a single Muslim even tries to defend himself, he is a terrorist and if a Hindu mob slaughters Muslims, they are nationalist.
tsreddy Aug 24, 2012 03:54pm
I lived in US and am in India. Yes - there are stray incidents of christians being persecuted in India. In the state of Andhra Pradesh that I am in, Christians as a whole are more educated and have better incomes than the comparable Hindu population. I believe that every human being has a god given right to choose their own faith and no human being should be persecuted for his faith. Why is it that the muslim countries donot allow other faiths to survive (I wonder as to how many muslim countries allow christian churches to be built and hindu temples to be built) - yet at the same time Muslims leave their countries and come to our free countries and want to practice their faith. Why cannot the Muslims in India shout to the muslim countries to allow churches and temples be built in muslim countries as the muslims are free to practice their faith in India and USA, and all over Western Europe.
Hitesh Aug 20, 2012 08:43am
Everybody has to pay ! In the eyes of God there is nothing like believer or non-believer ! May its our Karma (un-just and out-dated Caste System) we are paying for ! But don't forget that you are also in the queue ! Just imagine what will be your end ! But I would like to assure you that we Hindus never seek revenge like you beasts are seeking without any fault of these poor girls ! May be it will be like Halal Vs. Jatka ?
rsr Aug 20, 2012 08:43am
i just hope there are enough secular pakistanis like you to resuscitate pakistan
TheseusIam Aug 20, 2012 01:20pm
Your story is real fiction which the authors story sounds to be more real.
Sidewinder Aug 20, 2012 08:40am
where in the whole article she seems to rebuke the religion?and this whole charade of rewarding minorities doesn't go down well with in tandem mass suppression of minorities left and you feel that since govt provides a lower ranked Qadiyani or Hindu an opportunity over a Sunni,it gives all the Sunnis a right to commit brutalities over these hapless people.and look at you post, at no point you seem to be concerned about the horrifying events taking place in your only seem to be worried why British media declared the London Olympics a success?i will tell you the reason-because they were successful.
Ranveer Aug 20, 2012 08:38am
What a moronic statement!
Human-Being Aug 20, 2012 12:37pm
Well Written - Story of Forced Conversion. It brings out the societal & moral boundaries one is confined too. Be it in Pakistan or any other part of the World. Only Fact remains - some are very aggressive & Not Tolerant. Educate people about faith,belief and feelings- it shall soon matter our Fate . Thanks to the writer for her thoughts about minority. Reader, as like me should all think We Must not practice it nor shall stand by One Who preaches & exercises such practices in Society.
chintu Aug 20, 2012 12:50pm
anyother victim of religion on peace.
Paul Aug 20, 2012 01:35pm
Felt very bad reading this. It is bound to happen in a country which is created based on relegion
Pakban Aug 20, 2012 07:29am
thanks for presenting such a good image of our country, dear reporter !
fraz Aug 20, 2012 07:37am
is it a propaganda or a real story? If not a real story then its accusation of the worst kind. If someone did it that yeah they need to be apprehended and it should not happen in a Muslim country. Most of the part of story about alienation, intolerance of religious belief reminds me of the experience I had in England, Canada and at the US/Canada border where we get extreme form of intolerance. Sometime those rogue border officers takes law in their hand and think they are gods. Abduction? I guess US jails are filled with muslims abducted by their system and the children taken away by their social services. Regardless, if these things are happening in Pakistan then it is bad and the authorities should provide equal justice, protection to all citizen arrest and prosecute who do these offenses because we are muslims.
Abhisek Sahay Aug 20, 2012 07:39am
Well done writer..the true story public should read..well Hell Day is coming soon for them who compel Hindus for conversion...
rk singh Aug 20, 2012 07:41am
Dear Ms. Faiza Mirza, thanks for putting the plight of Pakistani Hindus in such stark and honest terms. No doubt Hindus never want to stay back in Pakistan. Touch one Muslim girl and all hell breaks loose.
Naresh Sharma Aug 20, 2012 07:42am
Shame on Pakistanis. You are killing each other and some day you people will end up with no land for humans in Pakistan...
Umair Aug 20, 2012 07:44am
A society is known by how it treats our minorities. This is just one voice that has spoken out against the ills of our society. Do not blame the reporter, blame yourself to remain silent about such evils.
GKR Aug 20, 2012 07:44am
Tip my hat off to the brave writer...
Rahul Aug 20, 2012 07:45am
I am a Indian Hindu and have sympathies towards you and girls at large but at the same time am Proud Indian Muslims are treated and given respect just like any other man.... I call it peoples foolishness to go to pakistan and settle there post 1947 what on earth were Hindus thinking before opting for a Islamic country instead of a Secular nation like India
sachapakistani Aug 20, 2012 07:46am
we should not bury our heads in the sand. If injustice exists in our society it needs to be exposed so that it can be irradicated. No should have to go through what this girl went through...
EidMubarak Aug 20, 2012 07:46am
I hope u realize that reporting is not about presenting a good or bad image but a correct one. We cannot afford continue to ignore the numerous reports about forced conversions and marriage in the country. Closing our eyes or shutting our mouths shall not alter the truth. Let us acknowledge that there is a problem and work towards resolving that in an inclusive manner
Qasim Aug 20, 2012 07:47am
One thing that inspired me the most about Olympics was, the response and responsibility shown by English media towards their country. Unlike our media and respective reporters, they portrayed each and every part of Olympics as the best in terms of organisation, administration and delivery,Just because for few bucks they do not want to sell their loyalty and awarded as bold, blatant, truthful. Let me Quote a minority's story, a Qadyani boy securing 752nd position in CSS exams gets commission in DMG group on contrary to a Muslim ranked 148th in the same exam left empty handed,Just because the Qadyani was a minority. A hindu boy securing in the range of 481 was rewarded similarly. Respected Madam it is not Islam that tells us to do so, rather its us ourselves who do it like this. Kindly do not rebuke the religion Islam(report it like this).
Superraj Aug 20, 2012 07:47am
But this is the fate of all other too. Be it the Shias, the Ahmediays or the Siks or the Christians..... This is the state of Pakistan and it is bound to flounder in the days to come if the State does not step in and curb these fanatics.
Rohit Aug 20, 2012 07:48am
Great article, I hope some day Pakistani Government will listen to pleas of the minorities.
Feroz Aug 20, 2012 07:51am
You should be congratulated for holding a mirror to fellow countrymen. To the believers, please remember you can fool the world but not Allah. He will repay all the good deeds in the country with compound interest.
Himanshu Aug 20, 2012 07:53am
India is a secular country and she has to be , but being a hindu and listening/reading to such plight sof fellow hindus just ignites a spontaneous agony in myself and then I really start to wonder what could be the situations for a normal person to resort to violence or turning to militancy. No wonder many muslims may also be feeling the same way as I am doing in some other parts of world , may be in my country too. I can't help my fellow hindus of pakistan but I can certainly help my fellow muslims of India by pursuing my Hindu brothers to not discrimate our muslims so that this kind of pathetic situations should be remove from my lovely country once and for ever. Just for ending note , the situation in my country is far good as compared to pakistan , but its not perfect yet.
Secular Pakistani Aug 20, 2012 07:55am
Pakistan was renamed and made a islamic republic in 1956. Pakistan when made was named "state of Pakistan" As an Educated and a secular Pakistani,it tears me apart and causes my heart to bleed when i see such cases in Pakistan I hope for the better future of Minorities in Pakistan
rags Aug 20, 2012 07:56am
I can say to all Islamic extremists that beware of God. Not the God who is all merciful but the God who can get merciless in case things go to the extreme.
abcd Aug 20, 2012 07:56am
FAIZA: you have reiterated again and again that there is one god, and we all worship them. be us hindus, muslims, christians, or jews. can i ask you the question, why this fetish for one god, what is the problem with having two god, or say fifteen or none . i detect a sort of abhramanic guilt when you say, that there is one god....well, since abhramanic faiths share the same trait, ok fine, but then why paint us with the same strain. afterall, non-abhramanic religions may have belief in god(vedic religion, tengrism, sikhism, tribal religions) or may not have(buddhism, jainism, taoism, confuscionism ). or of hinduisms understanding of ADVAITVA(nothing except god, that is me, you, the others concerned with this article, and not concerned with this article are all manifestations of god, ie every speck on this earth is god) this necessity of even having a god, has never crossed this side of INDUS. AND having belief in god, or not has been always the concern of scholars, and not the masses.
Against Conversion Aug 20, 2012 07:58am
Hmm...If this is the thing happens in 20th centuruy , then I can't imagine what was the situation during Mughal's era who introduced Islam to Subcontinent . Don't worry sister , you have been forced to accept something wrong and their hatred fire for others belief will burn them someday . This is nature's law.
Ravi Aug 20, 2012 07:58am
Fantastic work by Faiza Most of the people who read and comment on dawn also seem to be moderate Hope we can win over the hardliners
Dixit Aug 20, 2012 07:59am
I salute you faiza. It is not courage but reqruires humanity to write such truthful article.
Jayakumar Aug 20, 2012 08:00am
Thanks for such a good narration & presentation.Rarely do i read an article completely but this time i read it as if its a story before i thought about the agony of such people .
MKB Aug 20, 2012 08:00am
Thanks Faiza for bringing such hell tale of Hindus, especially girls in Pakistan. Where is the end of this kind of inhuman, barbaric treatment to Hindus in Pakistan. Is Pakistanis lack courage to stood-up against the people who are doing this? Is Pakistan's civil society, judiciary, all are like this only? Do they do not feel ashamed when see such horrifying report.
Gerry D'Cunha Aug 20, 2012 08:01am
The Pope was not wrong to say "islam was spread through sword" - look was is happening in Pakistan with the minorities, force conversion.
Ashok Malhotra Aug 20, 2012 08:04am
My compliments to the reporter and the dawn editor. They have shown courage in reporting the truth unlike their interior minister.
Indian Aug 20, 2012 08:09am
Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi!!!What goes up, comes down. What is born, dies. Who are you and what did you bring with yourself that you lost ? So why cry?
A.M.Khan Aug 20, 2012 08:11am
good job must be earning good!...such a good read is this...Before reading this i thought that things like different assets or reputation could be looted or victimization, slavery, sexual assaults or even forced marriages happen. But now you've brought an something very interesting aspect in account. I wonder what is keeping people stick to their forced beliefs...may be good material prospects!
Vineeth Aug 20, 2012 08:16am
Can't say whether this is the true situation in Pakistan. But if a nation is founded on the principles of religious exclusivism with the sanction of law, such an outcome does seem very likely.
Rajesh Aug 20, 2012 08:18am
"When you understand why you don't believe in other people's Gods, you will understand why? I don't believe in yours" - Albert Einstein
ALI Hassan Aug 20, 2012 08:20am
Forced conversions into Islam are forbidden so the act of such perpetuators is unislamic. There are feudal lords, tribal lords and extremists who use name of the Islam to fulfill their vested interests.
Umair Aug 20, 2012 08:22am
A society is known by how it treats its minorities. Islam stands on the foundation of Justice. The same justice that this girl was denied. Islam puts all humans as equals which surely is not the case in Pakistan. It was Hindus and Muslims in the beginning, then Pakistani and Bangali, then Sunni and Shiite, then pathan, sindhi, then syed, gondal, waraich, butt, khan, achakzai if this persists soon we will be differentiating on the basis of what color toilet paper do we use in our washrooms
gaurav Aug 20, 2012 08:26am
pakistani hindu are not in uk or canada they are facing discrimination in their own country not like u
B.Ally Aug 20, 2012 08:27am
. I am the only one who is right. All the rest is wrong. I am not alone . There are too many like me. Having this intolerant and disgusting attitude I am doomed to cave age so is this society. We are frogs in the well.
Prashant Aug 20, 2012 01:35pm
Get real bro, stop living in denials. Living in denials is like supporting the inhuman and cruel acts happening around you. Whether it is the Indian muslims who live in poverty or the Pakistani hindus living in fear, as long as we do not fight such a social menace, there is no chance for a peaceful and prosperous south can humans be so cruel to each other.
Umesh Aug 20, 2012 09:45am
@disgusted- Can you imagine a scenario in Pakistan, where, your national cricket team captain will be a hindu? If Muslims are getting killed anywhere, they themselves are to blame. Just name me a single nation, where Muslims live peacefully.
Rehana Kanji Aug 20, 2012 08:31am
to they won't
Hotchand Aug 20, 2012 09:45am
A true & painful story. Mostly minorities facing such problems. No way to protect when state support radical elements even judges don't play neutral like happened in rinkal case.
A pakstani Aug 20, 2012 08:35am
Job of reporter is to report not make fictional stories.If u want to write fiction write a novel. Hindus are given tough time in Pakistan with extortion and kidnapping but no girl has been converted against her will. All the above mentioned girls were given a choice in Supreme Court to revert back but they didnot. They converted apparently because the boy they ran away was muslim. As I said Hindus are given tough time but no one has been converted forcefully.Where are the christian converted. As to all the comments of Whom majority are from india. The problem is they are ready to jump the gun in demonizing pakistan and they clap when a Pakistani does it. Its the same case which happens in india with khap. where parents do not want their girl to marry the difference is religion. So please stop demonizing each other and get the facts. And miss faiza report one case where girl says later she was converted forcefully. So stop your fantasy and be a reporter.
Caz Aug 20, 2012 08:54am
All religions are man made belief systems. In pakistan, religion is the cage in which peoples minds are imprisoned to ensure the hold of the corrupt military led ruling elites on the resources and wealth of the country. A democratic , secular , undivided and non- aligned Hind is best
Awam. Aug 20, 2012 08:54am
Dear Reporter, thanks for sharing this painful story of innocent girl. I think there should be documentary on this issue. What I suppose it will be again Oscar nominated of real story of woman same as "Saving Face". People say there are political problem in Pakistan, many say there are economical problem in my country and what actually problem is "Failed Society". This is just like a blood cancer.
skyalrk Aug 20, 2012 08:58am
what is the fact in UNO HUMAN RIGHTS ABOUT PAKISTAN then it's america is devil and behind it ! when you killed 3millions muslims in east pakistan what did you say? indian agents when yoou kill baloch > indian agents when you killed your own minister & governor for balsphemy : too bad YOU MUSSALMAN BUT WITHOUT ISALM
disgusted Aug 20, 2012 09:01am
The woman from Gujrat is known for her anti-Pakistan propaganda just to attract Indian readers. Cheap ploy.... without fact........
geekay09 Aug 20, 2012 09:03am
You do not understand anything about Khap. The problem there is that you can not marry with the same surname meaning he/she is your brother/sister rather than spouse. So, Khap wants people to marry outside the family and not like muslims. As for denial about conversion, did it not occur to you that Rinkle Kumari was not given access to her parents even in the court. She was fed the answers via mobile phone attached to her ear. The judge was scared to go against the local MNA. I suggest you read from other sources - look for the blogs of Pakistani themselves. The main media is very compromised. I saw on youtube all the live interview with that MNA who was involved in her case. People were so scared to talk to him including the media persons. So, my advise is don't stay in denial ven if you do not act to change the situation of minorities in Pakistan.After all the minorities are gone, it will be fight between each other because now fight and slaughter is guaranteed until the end. After all there are plenty of divisions within the Muslim faith itself.
geekay09 Aug 20, 2012 09:04am
Is image your concern or addressing the problems Pakistan is facing.
Hina Nawab Aug 20, 2012 09:05am
There is not force conversion in Islam.Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion."[3] Its act of sick minds.I would do anything to protect innocent Hindu girl.I am Muslim and feel ashamed of all such acts.
disgusted Aug 20, 2012 09:07am
Rahul, Pakistan is not a safe place for minorities but India is no heaven either. See thousand of Muslim killed in Aasam since 1998, Kashmir and Gurjat, At least Pakistanis are not killing minorities they are only converting. There is a big difference between converting and killing. Hope you got the point. Peace
simple human being Aug 20, 2012 09:08am
sorry to say islam enforces one God with fierce punishment which is not permissible in modernity and tolerant hindu faith which always stood for universal brotherhood and let and live,India in spite of its problems homes 20 crore Muslim,being law,justice,their is no even single case where girl are married to old,illiterate and ignorant man just being minority,it is shameful and most dehumanising to think to treat girl in such horrible way most tragic is law,govt and feudalistic way of system,,God will destroy pakistan soon,balouchistan is boiling and if they keep on destroying prosperity ,diversity of pakistani indigenous public which is owner of pakisani will curse and pakistan will stop exist soon,because tear,pain,cruetlies of innocent always bring disaster for whole nation.
disgusted Aug 20, 2012 09:11am
Now What happens when Hindus start killing and force coverting muslims? Killing is already happening...conversion will never happen since no one want to trade a newer car for an old one.
pramod Aug 20, 2012 09:13am
Will you allow your sister to marry a Hindu boys if she is willing to marry him.I am sure no and you with whole city who ll find it against Islam will attack the boys house .
tushar joshi Aug 20, 2012 09:18am
All the above mentioned girls were given a choice in Supreme Court to revert back but they didnot. because your brother treated their parents. Which is also mention by the writer. Kindly read the document before giving replay. One thing you speak as true pakstani who lives in denial.
Santosh from India. Aug 20, 2012 09:21am
Dear disgusted, you are absolutely right. Hindus should change their tactics. Do not kill. Convert by raping. Thanks for the Idea.
kumar Aug 20, 2012 09:22am
honey, you are bringing a bad name to Pakistan. now look at the brighter side, your parents are relieved of their responsibility to feed you, clothe you and find a suitable bridegroom for you; every thing has been taken care of now. your son can even become the president of Pakistan! which cannot be if you remain a hindu. see, the converted girls have disowned their hindu families; so where is the case? so stop whining.
GIG Aug 20, 2012 09:23am
Come on Pakistani, those guys first kidnap her, keep her with them for many days(they never allow them to contact parents), threaten to kill the parents, then forcibly convert her, then marry her, then do arranged rapes.......then you gus give her a chance to talk against you, tell me or show me a incident where a girl got converted in presence of their parents, i will challenge you to show a conversion of a person by will. I will tell you leave pakistan, facing Muslim community in India itself is too difficult, once girl gone...gone..i never saw a incident where she came back...when she tries coming back same threatening of killing her parents....the peace loving poor hindu girls..always die, day by die in the hell.
soni Aug 20, 2012 09:26am
How do you explain reduction of Hindu Community in Pakistan from 22% to 1% over 65 years?
rakesh Aug 20, 2012 09:27am
Does your God say to do so. if yes, is he really God ?
PARVEEZ Aug 20, 2012 09:32am
We should stand up to these people, and speak out, if that gives a bad name to Pakistan, then let t be. Why these so called muslimes giving ISLAM a bad name.
virkaul Aug 20, 2012 09:33am
What an argument!
Dilshad Aug 20, 2012 09:34am
Dear Disgusted, If ur sister is converted to other religion its only then that u will be able to know, what is better to be killed as a minority or to be converted (forcefully)!
Mojo Aug 20, 2012 09:37am
The separation of East Pakistan. I disagree with disgusted's comment above.
Kumar Aug 20, 2012 09:37am
See i don't want to comment regarding any religion but forcing anyone to convert the religion in Islam and even in any other religion no buddy is teaching you that kind of things but unfortunately So me Muslims of Pakistan destroying the Image of Islam and Muslims............ Before we were hearing bomb blast, terrorist activities but now new trend force conversion, kidnapping Hindu girls and stealing the shops of Hindus ETC and Migrating from One country to another is not a solution..... From last 15 years i was reading Islamic books and Quranic ayat but i didn't change my religion may be i know Islam much more better then a normal Muslim but i didn't convert because i know my religion also that's we called knowledge Islam is a very good religion but scientific proofs but why u guys are forcing to people to accept..... Muhammad PBUH didn't do this thing they just spread the Islam now its up to you, You want to accept or not.... See in india Dr zakir Nayik in Hindu State he is giving message of ISLAM and most of the people accepting Islam by heart that we called proper conversion........ And always we are saying we have a democracy and always abusing India and our lovely govt what they are saying nothing wrong in this country and we know very well our govt from last 4 years what they did for country.......................
mukthar Aug 20, 2012 01:35pm
I don"t know whether the story is fake or real ....If it is true then it is not Islam .
aroon Aug 20, 2012 09:39am
dude you are right because we didn't do anything wrong just because of few muslims whole muslim community will face insult from every where............
virkaul Aug 20, 2012 09:39am
Pakistani in denial mode as always.
Dr. Billah Aug 20, 2012 09:39am
Those who are doing this injustice have no connection with Islam, these are evil culprits and blacksheep of vibrant Muslim Society flourishing in the world including the west. Islam is a columnation of faiths and upholds human hights, honours and dignities of all human beings irrespective of colours and creeds. There is no compulsion to accept Islam, clearly written in Al Quraan, any body can check it even today. I have sympathy for all who are oppressed all over the world. Evils are destined to perish, no matter who they are. Dr. Billah, UK
M. Salah Aug 20, 2012 09:40am
Hello Disgusted, Has any muslim went to Pakistan for help. We are very happy here, muslim can become predient of India. Muslim proudly celebrate EID here.We have all rights and even more. We fought but still we are one. If you pakistqni do not interfere with us there will less or no killing in India. Converting by force is Haram in Islam and you are doing it. That why from 18% now u have only 2% Hindu in Pakistan
rakesh Aug 20, 2012 09:44am
If we hindus in India think like you what would be the future of muslim's in India.
fahad Aug 21, 2012 08:38am
Has comming out in numbers helped us in any cause ? , there is not much justice here so all of us are suffering even muslims that are rapped and killed , what whould u say to that , its same across for all religions here even muslims.
skylark Aug 21, 2012 09:07am
you should be given a post in pak govt . You must see the uno uman right's commission. you may dismiss it ! good luck with your ignorance ,it will fuel the fire of fundamentalism.
S.Subrahmanyam Aug 20, 2012 03:19pm
When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India, we witnessed a Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmnin President Mukherjee, with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari, Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an Italian born Catholic Chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi, and a Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar in the audience. Our Chief of the Army is Bikram Singh, a Sikh and our Chief of Air Force is Air Marshal Browne, an Anglo Indian Christian.
abcd Aug 20, 2012 03:20pm
do you in 21 st century, wear hats?
The Hindu Aug 20, 2012 03:20pm
Change is only constant in the world. Development is life ...those who can't, sure will perish. I hope who are carrying head on shoulder will understand message between lines....change before its too late.
abcd Aug 20, 2012 03:23pm
almost every sub-continental muslim knows this. but, heck, they would not accept this. rather they like to believe that they aredescendents of persians, arabs, turks....hell, STOCKHOLM SYNDROME was coined too late, it is already a phenomenon in our part of world.
ahmed Aug 21, 2012 09:05am
I am sure I can find enough stories more brutal then this one in Hindu India against 18 million muslims in India.....but to take it as an example and portray Pakistanis as blood sucking vampires only fuels the fire... AS WE ARE NOT.....a christian classmate used to study with me and never had any fact he was my best friend........his dad was in the railways dept..... The only solution lies in educating the masses......both modern and primarily true islamic knowledge.....
abcd Aug 20, 2012 03:33pm
sorry, i disagreed with your comment by reading just first few lines.....should have read the entire write-up, before giving judgement. sorry, next time i would be a better reader.
Mohammad Khan Aug 20, 2012 03:35pm
It is the duty of Islamic scholars to openly emphasize the true teaching of the Holy Quran and that is "there is no compulsion in religion" to all the religious zealots. Failling that, they are doing dis-service to the Religion of Peace, hence a great sin in itself.
Imran A. Aug 20, 2012 03:38pm
All the blame goes to Zia Ul Haq (May Allah have mercy on his soul). I hate to speak ill of the dead. But I can't help but to love this child who out of love made a sacrifice for the safety of her family - I wish I could provide her safety. As for the Pakistanis, please understand that when Hindus converted to Islam, it was done in a loving way by the Sufis. The Muslims in the Middle East were converted by the sword (including the Meccans), except for the Madinites. DON'T ADOPT THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM! THEY ARE BARBARIC BY NATURE, THEY EVEN MARTYRED ALL THE IMAMS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ALLAH'S BELOVED ONES. When the Sufis from ME migrated to India, we were blessed by their presence, we loved them and gladly converted to Islam.
Milind Aug 20, 2012 03:38pm
Very very well said. And very clearly and simply said too. I have noticed that among many Hindus who try explaining their religion to others saying in the end, Hinduism is about one God - implicitly accepting the thought the philosophy of God is somehow automatically better than a philosophy of more than one God, or that of no Gods at all. Who cares? More importantly why should anyone care whether another believes or does not believe in the same imaginary space friend as you? What difference does it really make on a personal level? Religion does poison everything.
Abdullah K Aug 20, 2012 03:42pm
A sad story of a Hindu girl. In the name of religion, we have crossed all the limits. Bias has persisted. In1961 -63, I attended an old well known college in Rawalpindi run by American Presbyterian Church.Student body mostly muslims (95%) was segregated, we had our own dinning hall where Christian students were not welcomed. We hardly mingled with them. Those of us who tried to change the rules were a drop in the bucket. Sadly in the name of religion we have turned our fellow Pakistanis into alien status in their country of birth. Government of AAZ & MQM supposedly secular party have not lifted a finger to remedy this abhorable crime. Wonder what happened to this poor girl ? Was she released from the clutches of these fanatics ?
Jamal Syed Aug 20, 2012 03:43pm
I apologize to all religions, as all of us moderate Muslims stand ashamed with our heads down. If there is any consolation, it is not just for the non-Muslims, it is equally difficult for any level head Muslim from disparate sects to live among these conservative, hypocrite and low life so called Musalmans. Every day brings a new low to our nation, thanks to these animals.
Mobashar Ahmad Aug 20, 2012 03:48pm
@ Qasim...u cannot keep saying Islam does not allow this and do nothing to stop those muslims who are doing such horrendous acts. Dead speaks louder than words.. Your and I have a lot of work to do. Please accept the problem and make efforts to correct it. Get out denial for heaven sake.
Masood A Aug 20, 2012 03:55pm
Every Hindu girl's future is bleak in this' land of pures'. What if Hindus in India start treating muslim girls same way ? We all will hit the ceiling, burn every Hindu house to ashes- all in the name of misguided notion that our one God is ever powering, dominant over multiple gods of polytheistic religion.
Iqbal Aug 20, 2012 03:59pm
Islam and sharia is going to dominate the world ..
Avik Roy Aug 20, 2012 04:03pm
Well, just like Islam Christianity also spread through the sword.
Roger Aug 20, 2012 04:09pm
Well said!
Pankaj Patel (USA) Aug 20, 2012 04:10pm
Faiza, I salute you for this brave article, but this upsets me and makes me angry nothing else.What is use of reading such an article which makes me hate some people? What is difference then between me and such people?Instead I would suggest that you write about some Muslim has done good to a Hindu girl and this will surly spread massage of love.I am very sorry to read that the land where Hinduism originated and flourished for five thousand has become such unbearable to Hindus.I do not want to react and stay on my peaceful way.
Roger Aug 20, 2012 04:14pm
Gerry - There is perhaps historical evidence to suggest that has been the case in certain areas of the world. I currently live in Malaysia, and I don't see current evidence of violence in this regard - though there are government policies which clearly favor the Muslims. . Indonesia is even more tolerant in outlook.
Arshad Aug 21, 2012 10:57am
I wonder what is happening in the minds of these people who force non-Muslims to convert to Islam. After all in Islam there is no validity for forced conversion. However, I have noticed the holier-than-thou attitudes of some Hindus-Indians who make their remarks on Dawn forum. It gives them pretentious to pursue their frustrations out on Pakistani Muslims. If your India is so good stay there and don’t pour out your hatred for Muslims here. Remember the demolition of the 500 year old Muslim Mosque In Ayodha? Remember the cold blooded murder of the Guajarati Muslims? It seems you conveniently forget the despotic and fundamentalist crimes hindus commit in India against Muslims and Christian. Look within yourselves first before you come to the Pakistani forum!!!
Roger Aug 20, 2012 04:17pm
Ritu - Sometimes, you have to focus on the positives.
Prasad Aug 20, 2012 04:21pm
When 180 million people accept such incidents over decades, they must be painted with one brush ... they are as complicit as the few perpetrators ... anyways, the 180 million are now seeing that it is not just sufficient to be a Muslim, but you have to be a Sunni and even then you have to follow Wahabism ... pretty soon, it will be each Mosque for itself in Pakistan ... whichever Mulla can incite more hatred against the next Mosque wins ...
Zimbo Indian Aug 20, 2012 04:26pm
Malik saheb, please read the fourth line from the bottom. This is not the story of a particular girl. It is a representative piece which is meant to convey a situation in a generalised manner. The details of individual cases may be different but the essence would be the same.
abc Aug 20, 2012 04:27pm
awesome agrument. Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahmed Aug 20, 2012 04:28pm
Somehow I just don't see a beeline at the borders to immigate to Pakistan. Do you?
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 04:28pm
well said !
Pankaj Patel (USA) Aug 20, 2012 04:28pm
Well said Ahmed politics in the name of God is worst then known politicians, Zardari, Sharif, Bush or Obama.
Jamal Syed Aug 20, 2012 04:28pm
Ahh.. the problem is that ONLY you people know about the religion. We are just supposed to obey you. You talk to Allah. You find the hidden meanings in Quran. You have the key to Jannah. You are the sheppard and we are the lambs. You can slaughter us as you need to provide for your journey. You will decide who is right and who is wrong. Anyone who does not agree with you is kaafir.Their god is different. They are agents of foregin intelligence and hence 'wajabul qatal'. You will decide who will be part of your society and who will be outcasted. Because you the true Muilsim...MAY ALLAH SAVE US FROM YOU..
john Aug 20, 2012 04:29pm
All hindus and sikhs in pakistan must leave and come to India.
John Aug 20, 2012 04:29pm
Are you kidding me?
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 04:32pm
are you insane here Zimbi=o or did you make a mistake in your writings?
John Jani Janardan Aug 20, 2012 04:33pm
Author is from Dawn. This is a reality. Just as powers in Delhi seem to think that one can sustain life in India on Rs. 28 per day so do most educated muslims think that there is religious freedom and secularism in Pakistan (for that matter even in India). Open up your eyes and see a different world. The real world. Take the red pill my friend.
john Aug 20, 2012 04:33pm
After all this, muslims cry Islam is a religion of peace.
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 04:36pm
similarly Salah, as there is conversion in Islam, these girls CAN and should be allowed to "convert" back, right? Hinduism allows Hindus to revert to Hindusim if they want..... will you support that for these poor girls, who also seem to have been raped....forced marriages lead to that, you know.....
CK12 Aug 20, 2012 04:38pm
Excellent, excellent excellent. Your article put tears in my eyes. I am an ex-muslim and have no regrets.
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 04:39pm
Muslim girls are married off with mehr etc. The Hindus are abducted and forced into marriage with no payment issues and - a license to rape.
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 04:41pm
it's called a parable DEVI... a story with a moral...normally imagined but based on real incidents to get a point across. get it? No you won't. Truth is very difficult to digest.
Raoul Ciao Aug 20, 2012 04:42pm
showing you the mirro Modassar. happy Eid, hope you learnt something.
Badar Aug 20, 2012 04:44pm
Its a brave author. One always wonders why there's a rapid rise in conversion among young Hindu girls of Pakistan. I must ask the religious fanatics to let Pakistan's non-muslim minorties live their lives on their own terms and peacefully. That's the way of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Please follow it.
Uzair Aug 20, 2012 04:44pm
What a piece of fiction, author seems to be creating fear for no apparent reason. It is verly clear that Pakistani courts are stand strong to defend the rights of minorities.
Anand Aug 20, 2012 04:47pm
i thought the same Sir. Hats off to the writer. I think she should be given the indian citizenship.
Ali Aug 20, 2012 04:49pm
Write against Islam and link it the Muslims of Pakistan and get famous quick. May I ask what is the source?
Rem Aug 20, 2012 04:55pm
What a super bad state is this guy in?
patriotic-american Aug 20, 2012 04:55pm
Another false (lie) report to discredit Islam and Pakistan.
Suraj Aug 20, 2012 05:00pm
Who are you trying to fool ? The seniormost judge Bhagwandas couldnt become the Chief Justice of Pakistan. I think there is only one Hindu soldier in the Pakistani army and yes there are Christian teachers and they are there because there are Christian educational institutions. 180 milllion cannot be painted in a brush but the silence of the majority is akin to being of the same color.
Dr. SK Laroiya Aug 20, 2012 05:05pm
those who do in name of islam are really kaafirs. a true muslim does not do so but who cares in Pakistan now. the society has been hijacked by the omnious mullahs and they run the roost and the authorities look the other way. hope saner voices with in pak society shall emerge other wise day is not far when Pakistan will descend into ancient times
Great Thinker Aug 20, 2012 05:08pm
There is a certain fierce arrogance, when some people who follow the Islamic religion call themselves as Muslims and the rest as "non-Muslims". Doesn't the term "Non-Muslim" smack of an arrogance. If the so-called Muslims behave in this manner, forced coversions, abductions, violence, terrorism, lies etc., I guess the "non-Muslims" must confer the title "Sub-Humans" to these less- evolved beings.
shadab Aug 20, 2012 05:19pm
the girls who have embrassed islam tells you people even in front of supereme court that they have embrassed islam according to their wish and choice why you are not beliving them. we condem if there is any force conversion but you should also accept if by your heart if any girl or boy is chosing islam by its choice.
Mohammad Khan Aug 20, 2012 05:22pm
Extremist and misguided crazys are in every religion and country. I for one don't endorse it. However E.Pak.,and Balochi are concerned, your figures are extremely exaggerated to say the least. In the case of E.Pak. subsequently reports proved that India for sure was behind the break up of E.Pak. And American intelligence agencies are now stoking flames of seperation in Balochistan so they can take over whatever energy resources Pakistan has discovered thus far and also bypass Pakistan on their way to Afghanistan. Murder of Minister was a witchhunt. By the way India and USA has killed more people in the name of democracy and freedom and unending wars in Kashmir, Asam, Afghanistan and now in Syria and soon to come in Iran. U don't seemed to complain about that, do u.
Girish Aug 20, 2012 05:25pm
Well, author's children/grand children/great grand children will also force non-Muslims girls to their fath just like her tormentor whose ancestors had been. Eventually all humans will be Muslims. Cycle will stop. We will have peace like in Middle East !!!!!
aaa Aug 20, 2012 05:26pm
Crime is a crime whether its is done in the name of religion or not in the name of religion. I feel nowadays every crime get an extra label and goes off a discussion about the label. Sunnis did this, mulla did this, pathans did this. Coservatives meant this, liberals did that. Educated do this, uneducated mean that. In the end all that is left is to choose one of these identities.
Ixion Aug 20, 2012 05:26pm
Totally fake .. just to stoke anti-Pakistan hate, appease Hindus and shore online hits.
GABBAR SINGH Aug 20, 2012 05:32pm
Truthful article
Siva D Aug 20, 2012 05:41pm
Actually, this needs mentioning - Mr. Antony is an atheist born in a christian family. It does round off the rainbow that is the India we love, nicely.
K RAMANI Aug 21, 2012 11:14am
i see very few comments on this article from Pakistanis. It speaks volumes on the attitude. See the Hindu families fleeing Pakistan. If the reverse were true , hell would have been let loose all over. What can you say? Except when is this going to end
devapratim Aug 20, 2012 05:45pm
I am an Indian and I read dawn for the last 4 years regularly, you have a problem with that, Mr Modasar??
Devapratim Aug 20, 2012 05:47pm
What precisely was happening in Odisha Mr Nak?
abcd Aug 21, 2012 08:01am
sachchar report? tell us about the controversial points..will you please?
Mr. A Aug 20, 2012 05:52pm
What is this article? Is this article to attract Indian or what? I know, as i see many comments i'll also receive dislikes. Shame on you Faiza Mirza. I don't even know if your even qualified. First of all why do you denote this as a fact that this happens in Pakistan as whole rather than saying it happened in tehsil or city of Kandhkot in Sindh, Pakistan. I deeply condemn such acts that the guard did to the Hindu girl, but let us not forget he was just a guard and probably illiterate. Awareness and education should be promoted in such areas and he should be apprehended and convicted for this insane crime. Islam is never imposed on anyone. It simply doesn't allow this. 2nd of all non-muslims cannot be a president or prime minister because because it is an Islamic Republic, but they can be anything other than this. Examples of well known non-muslim Pakistanis: Deepak Parwani (fashion desinger), Danish Kaneria (test cricketer), Anil Dalpat (test cricketer) and Rana Baghwandas (former chief justice of Pakistan). In fact most of the successfull non-Muslims in Pakistan are Hindus. Last but not the least is the fact that in Pakistan there may be some instances of these events but are very very less and at least there are no war crimes committed against them nor their temples are ever demolished compare to India [so called secular country which in actual is Hindustan (land of Hindus)] where in Jammu Kashmir there have been many cases of war crimes against muslims and continue to happen and a masjid has also been martyred. i don't play blame game all i say is based on facts! Due to the act of some people we can never blame a country or a religion. Peace to all!
K.M. Nawaz Aug 20, 2012 05:52pm
Faia Mirza is a brave girl reporting the case in an extremist socierty. She should be praised and cherised for filing just this one report alone.
Benam Aug 21, 2012 11:10am
Jesus, the number of Indians commenting here is incredible!
Prashant Aug 20, 2012 06:15pm
If anybody provide any instance of a muslim girl forced to convert to Hinduism by force in India, I will shoot myself..Thats the level of confidence I have..
Amit Aug 20, 2012 06:16pm
Faiza, u depicted a true story of a poor segment of this barbaric society. This is a story of every hindu girl of Pakistan. No ray of hope at any corner.
kausik Aug 20, 2012 06:19pm
I compliment the writer Faiza mirza and editor of Dawn for publishing the true story of agonising ordeals one goes through conversion from one form slavery to another.The only non materialistic element is Thought which is powerfull and nobody can stop hence people resort to brain washing.even if whole world becomes muslim still syria's,egypt,libia's going to happen and shias and sunnis will never find peace.
Anshu Aug 20, 2012 06:22pm
While they may be forbidden - it happens all the time. Read history of our people my friend. See what Aurangzeb did in India - which belonged to you too at least during that time. Islam spread in India mainly because of coercive methods - like the sword or taxes for being non-muslim.
Ali Bhaakri Aug 20, 2012 06:23pm
hats off to the reporter???????? lols hats off for spicing up the story of a poor girl into a hate speech against the country and religion by associating actions of some heartless barbarians to Islam and Pakistan. No Religion in world either it is Islam, Hinduism, Christianity or Judaism supports any kind of violence against any form of life. things like that and much worse than this happen in other parts of world including India too but our media is too fond of promoting ONLY such things just to gain mere attention and make a little bit of money at the cost of their Nations pride, in spite of doing this we should take practical actions in order overcome this barbarian thinking which is injected in minds of innocent people of our country . and if some non- muslim people think that there fellows are the only sufferers of these so called Muslims than let me tell u the shias( a minority muslim sect) are treated far worse than this and killing them assures heaven after death to some sect of muslims but i still love my Country and my religion because it is not owned by those heartless butchers but Islam is the teachings of Auliya and Pakistan is the land of Their followers.
abcd Aug 20, 2012 06:24pm
get used to of indians on pakistani sites......just remember no. of indians having internet is going to reach 600 million by 2020 from 120 million today. whereas pakistanis are going to reach only 85 million from 35 million today.
Kalyan Aug 20, 2012 06:25pm
Why should people leave where they and their family have lived for centuries? Due to the politics of faith? The solution is to not leave but to organize, unite, create awareness, resist and fight the sword with the pen. If you start running you will find soon there is nowhere to go.
Sana Haq Aug 20, 2012 06:26pm
a very stirring depiction of the harsh truth..
layman Aug 20, 2012 06:28pm
In the 21 st Century this is happening in a nation. Then Imagine how the barbaric invaders carried out conversion. All of the pakistani people are converted .. converted means forcefully. Once Pakistanis accept that they will have the courage to prevent these atrocities and they will preserve their roots. Paki's leave your arab tents and embrace who you are and value your forefathers civilization
Kalyan Aug 20, 2012 06:30pm
Such moderate thoughts are welcome but the reason for generalization is that some of these conversions happened on National Television and there was not a single voice calling in to protest. Many of the country's leaders are also afraid to take a secular view looking at what happened to Salman Taseer. The radicalization of society is deeper than what the elites in the country may want to believe.
fiaz Aug 20, 2012 06:32pm
Islam was not spread through sword but what muslims of today specially what is happing in pakistan is tottaly againest teaching of islam, no one during the time of prophet Muhammad was forced to convert to islam..
Dee Aug 20, 2012 06:33pm
Have you even bothered to read what triggered the riots and killings of Muslims? Your statement reeks of the fact that if a Muslim kills a non believer, it's never something to get furious about, but if a Muslim is killed in retaliation by the aggrieved party, then they're being "victimsed"! Please do not present Muslims as harmless people who're targetted for no reason. In fact, if you will bother to observe, you will realise, not others but only Muslims have time and again expressed hatred and intolerance for people of all possible faiths. Show tolerance and respect to fellow human beings, to gain tolerance and respect from them.
fiaz Aug 20, 2012 06:33pm
i agree
Sam Aug 21, 2012 11:40am
sure it is Imran..
@politicalrot Aug 21, 2012 11:39am
Founder of India? India was not founded by Gandhi, my friend, India existed from the time of prehistory.
Divya Aug 20, 2012 06:37pm
Such people are everywhere, the problem is why isn't anybody tackling them? For how long, can a country ignore the persecution of a community by tyrant forces in the name of "vested" interest?
fiaz Aug 20, 2012 06:41pm
Bravo FAIZA, i wish every one of us who love pakistan could think and care like you, after all we are all Human, let ones choose, no one has right to force his blieve into others throat.
Dee Aug 20, 2012 06:46pm
Did you read or didn't you read - threat to the family, perhaps similar fate for "young" vulnerable sisters, killing of brothers? Good Material prospects?!?! In Pakistan?!?! Are you serious?
Siddiqui Aug 20, 2012 06:49pm
IT would be good if such issues can be analyzed based on facts rather than emotionalism that is evident in both this article and the comments below it. As far as mina and rinkle kumari case is concerned, the entire civil society and judiciary investigated again and again and couldn't find any proof of forced conversion. It was simply a case of conversion for love marriage. It seems to be that even if those ladies had yelled at the top of their voices right under India gate that they were converting out of their freewill, ultra-liberals still wouldn't believe it. To my indian friends: I or any right-minded liberal Pakistani would not for a single moment condone any forced conversion or abuse of human right of any person. We are fully with you when you argue against abuse fo human rights in PAkistan or anywhere. But for heaven's sake don't start believing all that you read... unfortunately facts are really getting clouded in this liberal vs. conservative tussle in South Asia. Not everything that is published is accurate depiction of facts... blogs are especially susceptible to personal biases and opinions of the writers.
NARVEER JADHAV Aug 21, 2012 11:38am
Dear Fiaza Mirza, First of all i would like thanks you for this article contribution and also appreciate your courage to publish this article which will help to understand the problems Hindu people are facing in Pakistan. I would like tell the people of Pakistan is that this kind of thing god will accept i thing no religion will teach do this kind of things. God expect from us humanity, love( Not forcebly). Please understand and try to change your attitudes and one fine god will teach lesson......
fiaz Aug 20, 2012 06:52pm
Sir i think you are living in dream world, right at this moment down syndrom infant girl is locked up in rawalpindi jail accused of burning Quran, over 100 people were demanding the police to hand overthe girl to them. did you not read what they did to mentally ill person few weeks ago, they draged him out of police station, killed him, then burned his body, wake up sir, we living in mentally disturbed society.
shiva Aug 20, 2012 07:00pm
This courageous writer means well on your point; in keeping with Mahatma Gandhi's favorite "Eashwar Allah Tero Naam, Sabko Sanmathi Dhe Bhagwan" [Eashwar or Allah Your name, please give good/peaceful mind to one and all].
khan Aug 20, 2012 07:02pm
And don't forget your main opposition party blabbering on about "minority appeasement" and restricting conversions in Gujarat and Rajasthan...
farhanahmed1993 Aug 20, 2012 07:03pm
religion doesn't matter. humanity matters. you can't force anyone to force your religion. be good enough that people get inspire from you and want to adapt your life style.
Khan Aug 20, 2012 07:05pm
Incredibly simplistic. Yes, there were forced conversions in some parts of the Muslim world, but in the non-Arab world, it was primarily through merchants and Sufis. What Sheikh forced the people of Malaysia or Indonesia to convert? Or Uzbekistan? or Somalia? Or Zanzibar? or Maldives? Or the Moors of the Philippines? No, this "Islam was spread by the sword" argument is simplistic and misleading. Realize that in a region as vast as the Muslim world that you cannot use the same brush to paint everyone's history the same color.
Fahad Aug 21, 2012 08:35am
My friend you have very little knowledge then , there have been multiple incidednts where this has been questioned and the culprits have been taked to trial and punished. all that is required is the justice which sadly is missing for every thing here.. hope we can get some justice
sri1ram Aug 20, 2012 07:06pm
Mojo, so Bdesh has the remaining 21% of Hindus (rather 42% even assuming even population split between east and west Pakistan)? Sadly, today a nation facts-check shows B'desh to have 9.6% Hindus as of 2004! Whereas Muslim population of India increased from 12% in 1947 to nearly 16% today, in spite of all propaganda about RSS, General Purohits, riots, subjugation of muslims etc. Please do a fact check from non-Indian sources!
sri1ram Aug 20, 2012 07:11pm
Muslim population of India increased from 12% in 1947 to nearly 16% today, in spite of all propaganda about genocides. RSS, reconversions, General Purohits, riots, subjugation of muslims etc. Please do a fact check from non-Indian sources!
ghazanfar Aug 21, 2012 11:36am
Please for gods sake Dawn, tell us if this is a real story or a work a fiction by Firza. We need serious change in the legal system, policing and in the mentality of the uneducated masses. If this is true, its an absolute disgrace that this can happen in this day and age in Pakistan, It does not matter what happens across the border to Indian Muslims, Pakistani Hindus are in no way to blame. If some one has wronged you, you do not take it out on a innocent party, it simply cannot be justified. If its true, we need to find the culprits, find them guilty, then hang them ( or stone them ) and put the bodies on display for all to see. If this is true, we need a government / Army sponsored investigation into how this can happen, then to go after anybody who has ever been involved in anything like this, and bring them to justice. Whats the point of us being Muslims if we allow this kind of injustice to happen? Do you think God will be pleased by this? Forced conversions in Islam? You cant be serious can you? Please tell me this is not true.... If its true, I fear we are doomed, God will make sure justice is served eventually to the Hindu Girls and the People who did this and to us for allowing this to happen.
sri1ram Aug 20, 2012 07:17pm
Staunch Indian muslims need not apply for Pak visa/citizenship, after all they are staunch Indians. Only the doubting, suspicious Thomases who thrive on conspiracy theories and mullah-logic like Zakir Nayak should be pushed off outside India.
p kumar Aug 20, 2012 07:22pm
indus valley people must be paying for an unknown monumental sin fr what else will bring them to a situation where their own descendants although living in one country that is pakistan will be so split they would do this to their own sisters,if you believe that pakistanis are descendants of indus valley people.arabs finally conquered that country
H L Aug 20, 2012 07:24pm
Author: Job well done and message went straight to the heart. All others please don't try to ignite the problems between india and pakistan. We all have problems. point is 2 wrongs don't make a right. We as Pakistan later, muslims first need to understand and discourage such atrocities and condemn them fully. Islam does not preach "forcing in religion", and so are other religions as far as I have understood other religions. Its we (the people) who try to force our judgements and our beliefs on others. We not stop it.
Janjuah Aug 21, 2012 11:35am
Sometimes I feel ashamed of being Pakistani when I read or hear about such stuff. Then I feel proud to see such brave people who raise their voices against such issues. I ,as a muslim do not believe that any religion can gain rspect or be spread this.... one must practice the religion one is born with as long as he/she decide as an adult to convert... what has gone wrong with our country in the last 10 years ..... so sad..........humans came first ..followed by religions and not the other way round...................We must understand the sentiments of all who get angry on such issues...
Whodunit Aug 20, 2012 07:37pm
An amazingly captivating article. I don't doubt that such forced conversions have happened in Pakistan. However, many posters here are missing the point. The issue is not solely about Islam or Pakistan. The issue is about abject ignorance. The issue is about how intolerance has caused such unfortunate and immoral acts to go unchecked. There are equally horrible acts happening in Pakistan to Pakistani girls such as Karo Kari. At the same time I have read about acts of taking young girls as Jogni's by pudits in India. What we need to take away from this article is that for the sake of religion we must not forsake our humanity.
Nikki Aug 20, 2012 07:38pm
Man you are living in your own world not knowing ground realities first find out the facts and come back. Apparently you are not naive just accepting the fact is difficult and calling fiction is easy.
S Kuma Aug 20, 2012 07:39pm
I am a Hindu from interior Sindh Pakistan , not far from writer's place . I salute you for your courage and want to share what I have experienced myself in Pakistan and I definateley would have loved if they had immigrated to india long ago . It is norm in sindh when if two people are fighting and want to challenge each other for blows and fists they say that " mujhe baniya samjha hai kiya" literally meaning that I will fight you and will kill you not unlike hindus who get slapped in the face and cant say a word. If I go on I can write hundreds of pages on how minorities are living in pakistan and being treated . We are not even treated as second class citizens but may be not humans at all as long as we are non muslims. I think there God must be very pleased with what they have achieved by ruining millions of peoples lives.
EmMoosa Aug 20, 2012 07:39pm
There are thousands of Faiza in our country but there are also handful of people who are doing illegal and immoral acts of forced conversions too. This is not actually the teaching of Islam. These ugly people are ulcers in the body of Pakistan and should be operated cleaned out for ever. Me and so many my countrymen hate them but we are helpless due to the present feudal and mullah infected society of Pakistan.
Guest Aug 20, 2012 07:43pm
I don't think u hav read enough of how Islam was spread ..Please do more research...
Vishal Aug 20, 2012 07:49pm
A very touching story but i appreciate the honesty and courage of the writer.people like you will definitely glorify your country by by bringing brightness and eliminate the darkness and ignorance.
faisal Aug 20, 2012 07:49pm
i agree with your comments about pakistan and im a pakistani. however, india is not that much better. pakistan has taken a turn for worse but it only makes india feel better because by comparison it looks like india is doing great. Once terrorism is eliminated pakistan will be a better place again - inshallah.
Shubs Aug 20, 2012 08:01pm
Completely agree abcd. What's the 'one god' deal anyway? It's a conept that binds the three abrahamic faiths. Why in the world do people following eastern religious philosophies fall over each other to accept this fairy tale? Are they trying to be 'legitimate' religions in the eyes of Christians, Muslims and Jews? The entire concept of god is unfathomable anyway - And somehow believing in 'one' of these guys is more legitimate than believing in 'many' of them? And to think that people actually went and created a country based on this?
proud Indian Aug 20, 2012 08:09pm
yeah, in our country (Great India), we don't force our women to convert. we just don't let them be born! by killing them in their moms' wombs.
David M Aug 20, 2012 08:12pm
Sooner the better .. must be Hindu-specific though; Sikhs are sane .. I would force or coax convert beautiful, Brahman Hindu women and herd the rest across the border .. they can take Faiza too.
Shubs Aug 20, 2012 08:15pm
Simple answer to you is that you do not represent the Pakistani nation. While you were in the US, claiming to be the face of Pakistan, your nation's military was waging covert wars in my country, training extremists to execute terrorist attacks on my country, your countrymen were lynching innocent citizens just because they were from a different faith, terrorist groups trained and armed by your country were attacking my country's diplomatic mission in Afghanistan. So, sir, feel free to feel offended and defamed. You have that luxury. My country, your own helpless non-Muslim citizens, and most of the civilized world are busy strategizing how to resist and contain the demon that the nation of Pakistan has become.
Shubs Aug 20, 2012 08:17pm
And what is happening in Indian cities, Jagga? As far as the well informed among us know, our citizens are being threatened with dire consequences by goons. But of course, that's not what your moulovi told you.
Akhtar Aug 21, 2012 08:35am
i njustice done to anyone irrespective of cast,creed and faith is injustice. it cannot be given any other appelation.i salute you faiza. you have done a wonderful job while living in sind, the land of took a great risk particularly.the story gave me ineffable pain and i feel it has been done to my daughters.Rachna Kumari,Rinkle kumari and others you are my daughters. i am willing to own you as hindu daughters of mine.remember it didnot happen to you for being hindu, it frequently happens to your fellow muslim girls in sind is rather happening in the entire subcontinent. it is the result of myopic thinking. i wonder when wouldwe rise above this barbarism in south asia.i appeal to right thinking peoples to contribute in the abolishment of this curse from south Asia.
G.a Aug 20, 2012 08:27pm
I am not trying to fool anybody. I acknowledge the problem exists. I had Christian teachers in a Non-Christian school. But the fact that you admit there are Christian institutions proves my point. These institutions have predominantly MUSLIM students whom, I suppose, you could subtract from the 180 million that you decided to paint with the same brush.
kista Aug 21, 2012 11:49am
you are doing great work faiza by highlighting such incident but my sister the main issues still remains there.............State is not safeguading the rights of majority over here then where should minority goes for their protection...........All three organs od State are failed in providing security and justice to the people of Pakistan..........I m also hindu living in Pakistan and since my chlidhood have met many muslims brothers and sisters,some of whom were very intolerant(They dont even would like to drink water with me and used to treat me with hateness),but few of them were secular(they were so good by behaviiour that i never felt that i belong from minority class, its the mindset which needs to be changed......... So far you are doing aunthentc work faiza but stil there is lot to do for minorites,give them a paltform where they can easily brief there issues and make them stakeholders iin the deveolpment of Pakistan.
NAD Aug 20, 2012 08:32pm
Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Did the Holy Prophet SAW ever took revenge? Did he not forgive all who wanted to kill him? The Mullas are the cancer of Islam. No wonder in other part of the world people think Islam to be a backward religion.
Mohammed Aug 20, 2012 08:33pm
Fotget the illiterate people of India and Pakistan. The difference is that the 95% educated Moslem people will never come out in public and say clearly state that the Muslim people are like this, rather than just blaming on illiterate people or misinterpretation of Quran and Islam. While the educated Hindu or other religious people have always come out blaming it on the own religion when there was a need for it. But the point is that they do not really find any reason. So, you educated Muslim people, make public stands about wrongs in your religion and then you will be considered educated.
G.a Aug 20, 2012 08:39pm
Don't you find your comment awkward that you are commenting on an article by a Pakistani in a mainstream Pakistani paper that has so many Pakistanis condemning these forced conversions including myself. By the way. How are things in Assam these days?
ALI Hassan Aug 20, 2012 08:39pm
I do agree with u nontheless act of any individual or group should not be attributed to any religion wether its Islam, hinduism or what ever as atmost religions of the world lay emphasis on humanity and respect for humen even animals but these are humen who persecute humen in the name of religion, creed, colour or race.
XplorUrSelf Aug 20, 2012 08:40pm
Congratulations for writing this article. Keep on writing! Any voice raised against bad things is good. Voice against injustice and torture to women and weak members of society must be louder enough to be heard all around the globe. Congrats Ms Faiza!
ALI Hassan Aug 20, 2012 08:47pm
I think main problem is litracy rate as far as Pakistan is considered in particular.More the educated masses,more the respect for humanity will be.
MNG Aug 20, 2012 09:02pm
Faiza Great job! Bold story and to my worst hunch quite true especially within sindh's villages but to a small extent. Anyway does not matter if a hundred girls are converted in this manner or only one. What matters is what did the state do. I think I will have to agree with President Zardari's call to enact a law against forced conversions and then enforce it Because it shames us all. I think I as a Pakistani feel ashamed today. I hope and wish we will be able to correct our acts soon
XplorUrSelf Aug 20, 2012 09:03pm
Extra-ordinary response. I have never read like this before. It is an amazing thought- reversal of conversion. Yes Dr Billah reply to this question. I totally agree with that. This question should be asked to all those who claim to be moderate/liberal/educated Muslims.
Fahad Javaid Aug 20, 2012 09:05pm
Firstly, I will commend the writer who has bravely expressed the sad state of present Pakistan. I am shocked to core after reading this story and wondering where exactly are we heading to? The problem is that we have been held hostage by sham religious fanatics who are preaching altered divine laws. The thing that appalled me is that current federal government PPP is leftist party and this is happening in their tenure? Should I conclude from this story that they have failed to protect their minority segment of the society? Being a Pakistani muslim, I feel disgusted that we can not protect our fellow hindu sisters. Basically, the problem lies within us that we have already surrendered to their will and taken off their critical thinking hats. This is an era of darkness deprived of enlightenment, where trust is eroded and fear is peddled in the name of religion.
Mohammad Khan Aug 20, 2012 09:06pm
@ritu "you mean zakir niak who on public platform declares that islam is only true religion and majority of his tolerant hindu countrymen are following false religion?" Honestly, isn't this what most people really believe? That when it comes to faith, they have THE answer. Jews believe the same thing, as do the Catholics. As long as someone does not restore to violence or intimidation they can yell from the rooftops that they have the answer And that includes muslims and hindus.