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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has turned down India's request seeking consular access to detained Indian spy Kulbushan Jadhav, who was arrested by Pakistani forces earlier this year, it has been learnt.

"After due consideration, it has been decided not to grant consular access to Jadhav," a top security source told DawnNews.

The source said the decision was taken due to the arrested Indian Navy officer's involvement in "subversive activities" in Pakistan.

The security forces had arrested Jadhav from Balochistan in March and announced that he was 'a serving officer in the Indian Navy and deputed to the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).'

The Indian External Affairs Ministry had accepted that the arrested man formerly worked for Indian Navy and said its high commission in Islamabad was seeking consular access to him.

“The said individual has no link with Government since his premature retirement from Indian Navy. We have sought consular access to him,” Indian ministry’s spokesman Vikas Swarup said.

The Pakistan army, however, maintains that Jadhav was directly handled by the RAW chief, the Indian National Security Adviser and the RAW joint secretary.


What we know so far about Kulbushan Jadhav:

  • He is the contact man for Anil Kumar Gupta, the joint secretary of RAW, and his other operatives in Pakistan

  • His was tasked to disrupt development of CPEC, with Gwadar port as a special target

  • Jadhav is still a serving officer in the Indian Navy and will be due for retirement in 2022

  • He started carrying out intelligence based operations in 2002 and in 2003 established a small business in Chabahar, Iran

  • Jadhav directed various activities in Karachi and Balochistan at the behest of RAW

  • He was involved in activities of 'anti-national or terrorist nature'


The source added that Pakistan has collected documentary evidence against Jadhav which it will present before the UN.

The Foreign Office has already taken ambassadors of foreign countries into confidence on the matter, the source added.

On March 3 this year, security forces in Balochistan said they arrested a man who they said was a serving officer in the Indian Navy and deputed to the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

The Pakistan government also announced the recovery of travel documents and multiple fake identities from the arrested man, establishing him as an Indian spy who entered into Balochistan through Iran with a valid Iranian visa.

Confession video

The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) aired before the media a video of the arrested Indian Navy officer in which he confessed to involvement in terror activities in Balochistan and Karachi.

In the video, Jadhav, who hails from Mumbai, said he had joined India's National Defence Academy in 1987 before going on to join the Indian Navy in 1991.

"I am still a serving officer in the Indian Navy and will be due for retirement in 2022," he said.

"By 2002, I commenced intelligence operations. In 2003, I established a small business in Chabahar in Iran. As I was able to achieve undetected existence and visits to Karachi in 2003 and 2004 and, having done some basic assignments within India for RAW, I was picked up by RAW in 2013 end," Jadhav said.

Since then, he said he has been directing various activities in Karachi and Balochistan "at the behest of RAW", adding that he had played a role in the deteriorating law and order situation in Karachi.

"I am basically the man for Mr Anil Kumar Gupta who is the joint secretary of RAW and his contacts in Pakistan," he said, "especially in the Baloch student organisation". His purpose was to meet Baloch insurgents and carry out "activities with their collaboration", he explained.

"These activities have been of anti-national or terrorist nature," he said, as they resulted in the "killing or maiming of Pakistani citizens".


Comments (202) Closed

BD
Jun 04, 2016 06:43pm

Not a correct strategy by Pakistan to not give access to India. It spells doubt over pak claims

ajay
Jun 04, 2016 06:48pm

give access so truth comes out whether he is really a spy or kidnapped from iran border

M.S.
Jun 04, 2016 06:50pm

Ultimately, according to the constitution of Pakistan, if proven guilty of the crime as charged, he will be awarded harsh punishment

RAM
Jun 04, 2016 06:51pm

LETS TRUTH CAME OUT .

Sudhakar USA
Jun 04, 2016 06:52pm

Nothing can be ascertained without a consular access. Hence all claims are proven false.

Matin
Jun 04, 2016 06:52pm

It is all false allegations by Pakistan as there is no substantial evidence to back its claim.

Ahmed bin Babar
Jun 04, 2016 06:54pm

This RAW agent is behind the killings of so many innocent people, he should be put on trial and punished

lafanga
Jun 04, 2016 06:54pm

Kulbushan Jhadav wasn't caught shoplifting. He is a spy and has admitted to carrying out anti-Pakistan activities. So I say keep him isolated and question him every day until he reveals all his contacts.

SM
Jun 04, 2016 06:55pm

India & US provided tons if evidence to Pak for Mumbai & Pathankot attacks , still Pak says there is no case against Pak based militants

Azhar
Jun 04, 2016 06:56pm

By not allowing Indian consulate an access to Indian citizen, we are looking our case against global level as India and the world will believe that we have things to hide and that's why we are not allowing indian consulate to meet their citizen.

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 06:59pm

Why Pakistan is not giving access?

Jasjeet Pannu
Jun 04, 2016 07:00pm

No one will believe Pakistan, nor will The UN take anything they say seriously!

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 07:01pm

@Ahmed bin Babar Pakistan has no hard evidence to prove he has done anything. All it has is his video statements

Rehman
Jun 04, 2016 07:03pm

Pakistan will progress from the day we stop thinking of India.

Feroz
Jun 04, 2016 07:07pm

It is against diplomatic norms to deny diplomatic access to any foreign national arrested, irrespective of the charges faced. By refusing to provide diplomatic access the version of the Pakistani government of his being arrested on Pakistani soil will stand exposed.

Sandhu
Jun 04, 2016 07:08pm

India want consular access so that they can know and ask him how Pakistani agencies managed to trace him?

PRN
Jun 04, 2016 07:09pm

I am not supporter of any such activities nor the activists. Look at how miserable the life becomes if there is enmity.

Life is too short to get into all these mess, Spying, When will we stop doubting, stop feeling insecure and when will we trust?

Look how simple if we be truthful to ourselves we will just get rid of all these things. Why is it difficult for people to understand simple things? Respect each other is the mantra, I don't want to say my kids that IND-PAK are enemies. Never will do such a mistake.

Sudhanshu Swami
Jun 04, 2016 07:10pm

A spy carrying valid travel Visa and documents, Interesting.

SACHIN
Jun 04, 2016 07:12pm

Job of a spy is to involve in subversive activities. Denying consular access as per international norms only strengthens doubts on Pakistan 's claims.

Sri
Jun 04, 2016 07:14pm

@lafanga you mean torture..imagine what he is going through and just being made scapegoat for something he hasn't done..if Pakistan was honest in its allegation why not provide counsellor access..

rehan khawar
Jun 04, 2016 07:14pm

UN should investigate why India destabilizing neighbor country

Sri
Jun 04, 2016 07:16pm

If Pakistan is honest and confident about its allegation how will providing counsellor access hurt their cause..on the other hand not doing so makes it a sure case of cooked up story..

Baba Bandook
Jun 04, 2016 07:17pm

No access to Jadav as Pakistan wasnt given any access to Kasab.

SACHIN
Jun 04, 2016 07:18pm

You yourself are spoiling your image globally.

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 07:18pm

By going overboard in claiming his guilty Pakistan has got itself into a trap. If access not given then Pakistan will lose credibility of the claims. This was obviously done to make it even after pathankot attack in which JeM was found and proved guilty.

Asad k
Jun 04, 2016 07:21pm

He admitted and did wrong. Indians didnt give any proof yet ..even indian chief admitted that pathankot incident wasnt from pak. Why indian are always aggressive on Pakistan's stance and defensive/ negate on their stance and becomes pious on every issue. Hypocry at thr peak.

Ghaznavi
Jun 04, 2016 07:22pm

@ajay Did India give access to Ajmal Kasab?

Zen
Jun 04, 2016 07:23pm

UN’s response to Pakistan: Security Council resolution 1373 (2001): • Criminalize the financing of terrorism • Freeze without delay any funds related to persons involved in acts of terrorism • Deny all forms of financial support for terrorist groups • Suppress the provision of safe haven, sustenance or support for terrorists • Share information with other governments on any groups practicing or planning terrorist acts • Cooperate with other governments in the investigation, detection, arrest, extradition and prosecution of those involved in such acts; and • Criminalize active and passive assistance for terrorism in domestic law and bring violators to justice.

Hitesh
Jun 04, 2016 07:23pm

So India's stand is correct. Pakistan does not have solid proof and thats why consular access has been denied!!

Ghaznavi
Jun 04, 2016 07:24pm

@Rehman academic comment! With India's cold start doctorine and Pakistan focused military posture it is simply not possible for Pakistan to ignore Indian intentions

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 07:24pm

@Asad k India chief said pathankot attack was not from Pakistan state but it was from JeM which is based in Pakistan.

Abraham Haque
Jun 04, 2016 07:27pm

@Ghaznavi yes they did

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 07:28pm

@Asad k you can read Indiam chief statements and then decide what he told

PK
Jun 04, 2016 07:28pm

Pak is late to raise voice in UN and intnernational community. If a man of such type was captured in india she had created hue and cry in the world.

atis
Jun 04, 2016 07:28pm

@BD I fully agree with this BD.

joe
Jun 04, 2016 07:29pm

Remember Kasab ? Remember where and how he was caught? Remember till he was wounded and caught what he had accomplished? Was he given counsellor access ? Did Pakistan high commission meet him.? Now you may like to comment.

Milind
Jun 04, 2016 07:29pm

@Asad k Get facts correct. NIA chief said "he did not see any evidence so far of Pakistan Govts Involvement", did not say "Pakistan is not Involved".

You guys have already lodged FIR against Jaish, a Pakistan based terrorist group.

Milind
Jun 04, 2016 07:31pm

@Ghaznavi He had a layer who was accessible. Also, Kasab was seen live by the entire world, no comparison there.

Prakash Puthalath
Jun 04, 2016 07:33pm

Pakistan govt. should have given consular access to the arrested person. This is not the end of the issue, more tit for tat arrests will follow.

Messanger
Jun 04, 2016 07:35pm

@Asad k Make your facts right! India has never said that. Pakistan govt may not be involved but JEM has been involved. Where is JEM?

M.Saeed
Jun 04, 2016 07:40pm

"I am basically the man for Mr Anil Kumar Gupta who is the joint secretary of RAW and his contacts in Pakistan," This is a type of statement even a worst spy would never think of making. Obviously he is saying what he has been directed to say. And, we should not be carried away so easily with such ploys. Already we have seen an abrupt U-turn taken by India within hours about Pathankot.

M.Saeed
Jun 04, 2016 07:42pm

@ajay : So that, he claims all statement having been made under duress. We shall have to conduct polygraph tests on him, before any further action.

Ahmed bin Babar
Jun 04, 2016 07:48pm

@Sr We have RAW agent at hand what to talk about the hard evidence.?!

Rameez
Jun 04, 2016 07:49pm

Whether he is a spy or not..Pakistan's position internationally is too weak at present to achieve anything.

lafanga
Jun 04, 2016 07:50pm

No one gives consular access to spies. First of all when spies are caught they are on their own without any identity so asking for consular access is admitting to spying BUT this case is unique. Kulbushan was caught with all his paperwork connecting him directly to Indian naval forces. There was no room for India to deny anything. It is all out in the open. Now the only card India had left to play was ask for consular access, which they knew will be denied so they will end up saying ... see no consular access means Pakistanis are lying.

Read all the Indian comments and you will get the picture.

Sachin
Jun 04, 2016 07:52pm

@Ghaznavi Pakistan refused to acknowledge Kasab as Pakistani citizen right from start. Still has not acknowledged today

Auone
Jun 04, 2016 07:55pm

@Sudhanshu Swami A spy carring valid IRANIAN visa and caught in Pakistan. Please read the complete story and state complete facts.

Sachin
Jun 04, 2016 07:56pm

To those who are comparing this with Ajmal Kasab- Pakistan never admitted Kasab is Pakistani citizen. All the time Pakistan said he is an RSS local Indian guy. Pakistan did not request consular access but requested investigative access to Kasab.

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 07:57pm

@Ahmed bin Babar he ua just a spy. They get caught all over world. There is actually no big deal. Compare that with Kasab who was caught with his gun killing people. Denying consular access will weaken Pakistan position

Harmony-1©
Jun 04, 2016 07:58pm

@PRN - Wonderful comment...I wish there were more people like you...proxy wars are a menace to people of both nations...everyone wishes to live in peace and harmony.

lafanga
Jun 04, 2016 08:06pm

@Milind This is what Indian defense minister Manohar Parrikar said about Pathankot.

"Pathankot attack not possible minus Pak state backing"

Will Indian DM now take his words back and apologize to Pakistan govt for making up false allegations?

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 08:06pm

@lafanga but why Pakistan is afraid of truth getting by giving him consular access.

rs
Jun 04, 2016 08:10pm

Credibility of the investigation will be put into question. Under arrest you can get any type of video.

Harmony-1©
Jun 04, 2016 08:10pm

@SR: "Pakistan has no hard evidence". There is nothing more "hard" that what comes out of the horse's mouth himself - the spy. Did you expect a video of getting him in the act of his destructive activities?

Yummy
Jun 04, 2016 08:12pm

The plan is to present documented evidence to the UN and than prove what or achieve what? It is as per UN accord that Pakistan is mandated to provide consular access and a right to defend any accused in a court of law. Well let's see how all this pans out.

KJ
Jun 04, 2016 08:13pm

@lafanga : AFAIK, India never accused "Pakistani Government/Establishment" of being involved in Pathankot incident. It certainly accused Pakistani involvement, but never said that about the Establishment, so there is no question of apologizing.

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 08:13pm

@lafanga JeM is based in Punjab and Pakistan state is not doing anything against them. Why should India apologize? Is it not for Pakistan to take action against the group?

KJ
Jun 04, 2016 08:15pm

@Harmony-1© : That kind of unilateral statement is hardly an evidence. People can be made to say anything under duress, so where is the proof that such tactics were not used. No proper courts would allow such statements as irrefutable proof.

z
Jun 04, 2016 08:17pm

Good decision.

Tahir
Jun 04, 2016 08:18pm

Indian spies must never be given any counsellor access... Pakistan must use intelligence from indian spies must be carry used to break up all hostile indian spy teams.

Kudos to Pakistans security agencies for this capture. Keep up the good work.. We Pakistanis have faith in you.

Tahir
Jun 04, 2016 08:22pm

@SM guess you must have been sleeping for the last few days??!!.. You own head of intelligence has made it clear via a statement that no evidence of Pakistan involvement in Pathankot attacks.

Clearly it points at internal terror groups

Human Being
Jun 04, 2016 08:22pm

something is suspicious.u can give dossier to press.but cant justify the non consular access to alleged person.

Sr
Jun 04, 2016 08:25pm

@Tahir they are not internal groups but JeM which is involved and which is based in Punjab.

Raj
Jun 04, 2016 08:26pm

Who in international community believe Pakistan unless consular access,

Tahir
Jun 04, 2016 08:27pm

@SACHIN wait til Pakistans report to the UN is presented on Indian terrorism

KSS
Jun 04, 2016 08:31pm

@Ghaznavi

Did Pakistan asked for access to Ajmal Kasab?

In fact, as in other cases, Pakistan refused to accept that Ajmal is a Pakistani.

Tahir
Jun 04, 2016 08:32pm

What was an ex Indian naval officer doing in Balouchistan?

Surely you cant expect Pakistanis to believe he was a tourist with no valid visa.

We have seen the youtube video of the head of Indian intel Avit Doval, describe in good detail the terrorist ops in Pakistan.

No doubt Kulbushan Jhadav was a principal RAW asset. He must be questioned to reveal all Indian ops in Pakistan.

Kudos to Pak agencies.

Tahir
Jun 04, 2016 08:34pm

Indians want consellor access so they can determine how best to protect to RAW assets currently engaged in terror ops in Pak.

Do the Indians think Pakistan agencies are stupid?

Arslan
Jun 04, 2016 08:38pm

Would Indians commented here be happy if Pak give Indian consular access that's video recorded and then published fully? I doubt the Indian gov would agree to such access. So I don't know what facts you guys want out of this access!

Tahir
Jun 04, 2016 08:38pm

@Prakash Puthalath how many Pakistanis are killed inside India and their bodies returned with torture marks?

What about Pakistani victims of Samjuta express which was carried out of RAW agents as reported in Indian media?

Please enlighten us.

bryan
Jun 04, 2016 08:41pm

@lafanga How do you have so much details that only officers will have.

Harmony-1©
Jun 04, 2016 08:41pm

It is just Indian propaganda ‘why no consular access’? As Yadav is a spy then his rights for consular access are automatically forfeited. Consular access is given to normal citizens not spies. What needs to be done is UNSC should refer the case to the International Criminal Court(ICC) for Indian state hand in subversive activities.

Harmony-1©
Jun 04, 2016 08:47pm

@KJ - Remain in denial if you wish, but admittance of own guilt is most certainly "irrefutable proof". We are talking about subversion, there is not going to be video of subversive activities. Check with any lawyer.

rich
Jun 04, 2016 08:51pm

all spys are given consular access, to prove they are citzen of that country

something is wrong, y deny india acces they will not run away with him,

Pakistan has made a mistake, now no case against india,

Zee
Jun 04, 2016 08:51pm

Why is Pakistan afraid of giving Consular access if Yadav has really committed all those acts.

Ramal Khan
Jun 04, 2016 08:57pm

@Jasjeet Pannu sir he was arrested in Balochistan. Its enough to prove his "innocence"

Rohit
Jun 04, 2016 08:58pm

@lafanga which spy in this world will carry his ID's with him? Giving consular access cannot change any evidence against him, if you have any. He will still be in your custody. What are you afraid of?

Rohit
Jun 04, 2016 09:01pm

@Tahir India had blamed JeM for attacks, not Govt of Pakistan. NIA chief didn't say anything new.

JAi
Jun 04, 2016 09:06pm

After he arrested how many places / people's / sleeper cell raided / bursted or arrested, none in the media just one video. Not even anyone knows from which place, house or anything about his operations.

Indian
Jun 04, 2016 09:07pm

Counsler access is denied because the case will not stand in any court of law. India should protect her citizen and should fight for giving him legal help which any accused get in any part of civilized world. Just being an Indian should not be the reason to prosecute anyone. Indias stand is he was kidnapped from Iran by Pakistani forces.

Karani
Jun 04, 2016 09:07pm

Please provide him with consular access. Not doing so will hurt Pakistan more.

Salil Chowdhury
Jun 04, 2016 09:09pm

No serving officer will be deputed to conduct spy activities. He says he was doing business right from 2002 in Iran.

Indian
Jun 04, 2016 09:11pm

@Ghaznavi yes they did Pakistan didn't officially accept him as Pakistani hence no lawyers from Pakistan came to defend him. But Indian lawyers defended him..You accept him as Pakistani but your government didn't interesting.

Tarik
Jun 04, 2016 09:13pm

Never, Never & Never. India should stop sending terrorists in to Pakistan.

Lost cause
Jun 04, 2016 09:18pm

If he is Indian citizen then denying counsellor access means Pakistan has something to hide. You also did not allow visa to Indian investigators probing Pathankot attack. Well the world is watching.

Indian
Jun 04, 2016 09:19pm

@rehan khawar, did UN investigate what was Laden doing in Pakistan?

Raja Farhat Abbas Jhelumi
Jun 04, 2016 09:22pm

@lafanga Great comment nicely explained.

Sri
Jun 04, 2016 09:23pm

@Tahir indeed we do think so

ali
Jun 04, 2016 09:28pm

@Milind He wasn't seen live of TV in fact those where recorded videos which goes on air.same is the case of kalbhushan.you can see his video as well.so may I ask again did India give access to kasab?

The End is Near
Jun 04, 2016 09:32pm

Why its taking so long? If this spy was a Pakistani, India would have punished him by now.

Buzzkill
Jun 04, 2016 09:55pm

Of course Pakistan won't allow consular access to this so called spy as it would expose their bluff.

R S Chakravarti
Jun 04, 2016 09:57pm

@joe Kasab was (physically) caught by a police inspector who didn't let him go even after Kasab shot him in the abdomen. Earlier he shot at the crowd in VT station. He was captured by the CCTV there. About Jadhav, we only have your Boys' word that he was caught in Pakistan.

R S Chakravarti
Jun 04, 2016 10:08pm

@Mateen Haider: How do you "know" all this? From the video? If so, you merely choose to believe it.

k k tiwari
Jun 04, 2016 10:11pm

@Azhar Well said sir, it won't affect any thing against Pakistan if it is true

Rohit Singh
Jun 04, 2016 10:23pm

Pakistan will never present it to UN as world has already seen that doctored video and know the truth, I only feel for the poor man as he is caught in the crosshair

Kashmiri Nationalist
Jun 04, 2016 10:24pm

The next days of his life will be less than ideal. Quite laughable the Indians even tried knowing what the answer would be. A strong message to those who dare to conspire against the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

adit
Jun 04, 2016 10:25pm

@Ahmed bin Babar when a Pakistani talks the whole world stops listening..instantly

Np
Jun 04, 2016 10:33pm

@Baba Bandook False consular access was offered to Kasab. At the time Pakistan refused to recognize him as their own citizen and hence consular access was denied by Pakistan NOT india.

Np
Jun 04, 2016 10:36pm

@joe Yes he was offered consular access by India. It is Pakistan government who had at the time been claiming these were local Indian boys who refused to avail consular access.

Lafanga
Jun 04, 2016 10:36pm

@KJ Manohar Parrikar is Indian Defense Minister so when he makes a statement means it is coming from GOI. He said it openly that Pathankot was not possible minus Pak govt help.

Please tell me which part of his statement and title is not clear?

Lafanga
Jun 04, 2016 10:36pm

@bryan Try Google sometime. Its all public knowledge.

Np
Jun 04, 2016 10:45pm

@Auone Valid Iranian visa on his original Indian passport. You are the one that needs to read the story.

Last Word
Jun 04, 2016 10:49pm

Pakistan can prepare yet another dossier and hand it over to UN which will gather dust as in the past two cases. This is poor diplomacy by Pakistan to deny access and trying to internationalise the issue which will only backfire and worsen relations with two neighbours simultaneously.

jam shed
Jun 04, 2016 10:55pm

@Zen What is your point? Does it apply to India? It never did in 1971. What is good for the goose must be good for the gander !!

aditi sharma
Jun 04, 2016 10:56pm

Why would they provide....coz they know the truth will be out that kulbhushan is not a spy

Vorshal
Jun 04, 2016 10:58pm

@Tahir -- Why wait? Please do it today.

hitesh
Jun 04, 2016 11:05pm

@ali probably you are not aware og Pakistan's stance om Kasab. Pakistam govt has nor accepted that Kasab was a Pakistani. and hence they never asked for a consular access. But it is strange that so many common Pakistanis on this forum are accepting Kasab as Pakistani.

Hadi Jinnah
Jun 04, 2016 11:05pm

@Feroz it is a pretty standard international norm not to give consular access in spy cases.

hitesh
Jun 04, 2016 11:06pm

@The End is Near exactly. It is taking time because he ia innocent

Naveed Khan
Jun 04, 2016 11:07pm

This Indian RAW Agent has confessed to supporting sectarian violence. Pakistan should take the case to International Criminal Court and have India held liable Crimes Against Humanity.

Np
Jun 04, 2016 11:08pm

@Harmony-1© Please provide reference to any international law which say that spies automatically forfeit consular access. Making stuff up as we go is it?

And if confessional videos in custody count as valid evidence (let alone strong evidence as you delusionally claim), how come Pak army has not got MQM banned as apolitical party based on Saulat Mirza's confessional statement?

NORI
Jun 04, 2016 11:11pm

Kulbhushan Yadav's episode is a big flop show. Despite the high decibel propaganda, it never attracted any attention outside Pakistan. To cover up its failure, Pakistani establishment is creating further episodes such as denial of consular access.

AW
Jun 04, 2016 11:14pm

It would be wise for the Pakistan Government to address this issue head-on directly with the Indian Government. Running to the UN would be waste of resources and time because the UN has proven to be a useless organization.

NORI
Jun 04, 2016 11:18pm

@Ghaznavi "@ajay Did India give access to Ajmal Kasab?"

I am not sure if you know this. Kasab wrote a letter to Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi requesting consular access and legal support. Pakistan denied him access and rejected his request for legal support and that prompted India to provide him a lawyer.

jam shed
Jun 04, 2016 11:21pm

@Sudhanshu Swami It is not interesting, it was plain stupid of him because he got too careless and overconfident and comfortable working undetected for too long. Open and porous border was another thing traveling with passport ( several identities) was a cover-up a chance he took. He thought he could operate in this haze and just get way with his story. But most likely he was trailed in Iran, checked of his several identities fake business credentials his reasons for crossing from a hot border? Who would do that? Would you? No ordinary and educated "citizen" !! Why spies are caught even the best from the best agencies have been busted? Every spy is vulnerable and has its day !!

jam shed
Jun 04, 2016 11:24pm

@Sudhakar USA It will only help India to give this thing new twist. To deny him consular access is a right step.

Neptune Srimal
Jun 04, 2016 11:25pm

@Baba Bandook , you are not stating the truth. Check Dawn of Dec 25, 2008. It was pakistan who rejected Kasab's plea for consular access. http://www.dawn.com/news/850645/pakistan-will-ignore-kasab-s-consular-plea

LOL
Jun 04, 2016 11:26pm

Pakistan will fail in this mis-adventure. They just captured an Indian national visiting for tourism and showcase him as spy. Guess what... lies fail and don't sell.

Neptune Srimal
Jun 04, 2016 11:27pm

@ali , Pakistan ignored Kasab's plea for consular access -- India did not!

AJ
Jun 04, 2016 11:30pm

@Ghaznavi . No, because Pakistan denied Kasab was a Pakistani.

Desi Indian
Jun 04, 2016 11:33pm

@Tahir Samjhauta express blasts were carried out by LeT. US intelligence and Indian NIA has stated this in the court proceedings.

Zak
Jun 04, 2016 11:33pm

So the law and order situation should now improve in Karachi now that the key disrupter has been captured.

Sudhakar USA
Jun 04, 2016 11:34pm

@Ghaznavi : In Mumbai case, India didn't have to give any access since one of his co-conspirator/intelligence gatherer Headley has been apprehended and sang like a parrot in the custody.

Navin
Jun 04, 2016 11:35pm

@ali pak all throughout denied that he was pak...did pak asked for access? He was caught red handed during crime....while this guy is picked up. Now u know d diff.

Desi Indian
Jun 04, 2016 11:37pm

@Harmony-1© Admittance of guilt when in police custody is not "irrefutable proof" because such statements could be made under duress. What is so difficult for you understand in this simple fact?

joe
Jun 04, 2016 11:39pm

@Baba Bandook Please check, Did you or do you today acknowledge he was Pakistani???

jam shed
Jun 04, 2016 11:40pm

@Feroz He is fully exposed in spite of all his covers. Is he a diplomat? Even Indian diplomat in US was put in jail, humiliated for much lighter violation of US law; not paying minimum wages to an Indian nanny. Pakistan's case is rock solid and we can only see gallows for him down the road years from now. Pakistan is taking care of the very Taliban (you recently said in your post) (you) want them to rule Pakistan through bombs and this is the man in the link...

venkat
Jun 04, 2016 11:42pm

Article 36 of the Vienna Convention requires the local authorities to promptly inform arrested foreigners of their right to consular assistance. At the request of the detainee, the authorities must notify the consulate of the arrest and permit consular access to the detained national.

Article 36 ensures that all arrested foreigners have the means at their disposal to prepare an adequate defence and to receive the same treatment before the law as domestic citizens. Consuls are uniquely placed to provide a wide range of essential services to their nationals, including legal advice and assistance, translation, notification of family members, the transferring of documentation from the native country and observing court hearings.

The right to consular notification and visits is also reiterated under international human rights standards, including Principle 16(2) of the UN Body of Principles for the Protection.

Kamal Pasha.
Jun 04, 2016 11:44pm

@The End is Near, The spy lied a lot when attested. Let him take rest. Government will take this case at its own time. Don't worry.

Pakistani
Jun 04, 2016 11:44pm

To all Indians here: Pakistan was denied access to that boy the Indians caught after crossing the border and later trained and framed for Mumbai attacks. Stop whining and move on. You have no moral ground asking for a terrorist- this one has blood of thousands on his hands.

Pakistani
Jun 04, 2016 11:46pm

Moment you give Indians access to the terrorist they'll ask him to deny everything or his family back home gets it. Thanks, but no thanks.

unknown
Jun 04, 2016 11:48pm

@Ghaznavi yes, even you folks refused to take his body after execution. Get the facts before commenting.

Mian
Jun 04, 2016 11:48pm

@Rohit Kasab type who travel with all tell tale signs.

Priya
Jun 04, 2016 11:54pm

If you have heart then go to UN and let see how you present your fake documents

Khalid
Jun 04, 2016 11:56pm

Now wait till India captures few from Pakistan, the access will be given automatically then . And if he is harmed, and few more will be harmed from this side .

krishna
Jun 04, 2016 11:56pm

@Ghaznavi

LOL yes we did offer, but Pak refused claiming that he was not from PAK at all.

krishna
Jun 04, 2016 11:57pm

@ali

Yes India offered access to Kasab, but Pak refused.

Desi Indian
Jun 05, 2016 12:00am

A spy knowingly getting involved in "criminal, anti-national and terrorist activities to kill many innocent lives" in a foreign country decided to come clean to clear up the mess he landed in! He is smiling, he is joking, and feeling fortunate to be caught by Pakistani authorities and feels respect for Pakistani authorities for treating him with respect, so he has a change of heart and decides to talk on his own. It is a poor try - next time make sure the story is little more believable and the person should not be too comfortable with Pakistani authorities.

NPS
Jun 05, 2016 12:00am

@Ghaznavi India has a functining law and order. Kasab was traped blood handed and he got his judgement. Their is no paralellity between these two.

Akram
Jun 05, 2016 12:03am

@Sudhanshu Swami "A spy carrying valid travel Visa and documents, Interesting" So you think a spy should carry expired and false visa or travel documents?

Amit
Jun 05, 2016 12:03am

Another innocent sarabjeet in making

Akram
Jun 05, 2016 12:04am

@Jasjeet Pannu "No one will believe Pakistan, nor will The UN take anything they say seriously!" Chill bro, we are used to that.

Priya
Jun 05, 2016 12:13am

@Rehman correct your government want to show themselves as a hero in front of people but this mistakes they are doing way back don't want to show the real source of problem lies in pakistan only

Vandan
Jun 05, 2016 12:13am

Looks like he was reading the statment from the teleprompter.

Imran Khan
Jun 05, 2016 12:25am

A spy was let loose after 35 years in jail, he denied being a spy and once he was released the first thing he did after reaching India was that he confessed that he was a spy. NO CONSULAR EXCESS TO TERRORISTS THTAS THE WAY IT WORKS...........FORGET ABOUT JHADAV NOW......Had it been some other country it would have branded India as a State Sponsoring Terrorism.

Kashmiri Nationalist
Jun 05, 2016 12:27am

@Sudhanshu Swami a spy hiding behind a Muslim name who was in a sensitive area at the time of his abduction and capture by Pakistans agencies. Was he on a fishing expedition?

Nadeem Shakir
Jun 05, 2016 12:27am

All Indians national people must refrain from posting any further comments in to our Pakistani Dawn News Papers.

Kashmiri Nationalist
Jun 05, 2016 12:31am

@Harmony-1© You nailed it

Paul Anderson
Jun 05, 2016 12:32am

Pakistan is hiding something by denying consular access. Being a citizen of India, the suspect has the right for the consular access and it's gross violation of human rights!

Babloo
Jun 05, 2016 12:58am

India has granted consular access to Pakistan for every Pakistani India has captured , even Kasav. Because India has nothing to hide and its claims are truthful.

muhammad farooq
Jun 05, 2016 01:13am

@PRN noble sentiments dont mean anything in the dark and dirty politics both countries are playing against each other since '47.

Uzair
Jun 05, 2016 01:14am

Hordes of people blabbing senseless comments from across the border, a spy is caught doing terrorism and sabotage, he has to be investigated, prosecuted and punished. This is to avenge all of those who died his hands.

Satyameva Jayate
Jun 05, 2016 01:20am

It has been verified that there is, and there has never been, any joint secretary of RAW with the name Anil Kumar Gupta.

Muzahid
Jun 05, 2016 01:21am

@SM Ha ha ha!!! Pathankot Attack........ Do u know what ur NIA Chief said about the Pathankot Attack?????

Satyameva Jayate
Jun 05, 2016 01:22am

Now Indian diplomats will use this denial to further malign Pakistan's image in the world.

Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad
Jun 05, 2016 01:38am

Good decision.

hamza khan
Jun 05, 2016 01:51am

excellent, take to UN. makes india's case for UNSC very difficult.

Ashutosh Mishra
Jun 05, 2016 01:55am

Be bold. Give India access accompanied with other nations' representatives!!!

Sam
Jun 05, 2016 01:55am

Give access so that truth will come out. Even India offered consular access to Pakistan in Kasab's case but Pakistan maintained that Kasab is not a Pakistan citizen at that point of time. Not giving access means Pakistan wants to hide something. The Indians are clearly saying he was kidnapped in Iran Pakistan border, as no spy will hold a passport of his own country, he could have made a Pakistani passport.

Ahmed
Jun 05, 2016 02:00am

@Ahmed bin Babar Norhing has been proven..fake claims by Pak as usual.

Ahmed
Jun 05, 2016 02:03am

@Ghaznavi Ajmak Kasab was caugh red handed in all cctv cameras carrying AK47 shooting innocent people at train station, market and hotels. U still think he deserved consular access.

Rehman
Jun 05, 2016 02:03am

I am really puzzled by the contrast between the Indian approach and our approach. When the Indians caught so-called Pakistanis (including Ajmal in the Mumbai hotel attack and the more recent Pathankot attacks), they provided full Pakistani consular access to the suspects on the basis they were Pakistani citizens. But our own consulate refused to acknowledge they were Pakistanis, and so refused to meet them. But now the exact opposite is happening. We have caught a presumably Indian spy, but are refusing to provide Indian consular access to him. This makes it look strange and contrary to international norms, and the rest of the world will start questioning our credentials. If he is an Indian spy, of course the severest punishment should be given to him as per law, but equally the legal norms require that Indian consular access be provided to him.

Azi
Jun 05, 2016 02:12am

I think it's rather funny that on one side Indians maintain that he isn't their spy and on other hand they are crying about access. Tell you what, your raw and his family can attest to the truth which they have been trying very hard to hide.

Raj Patel
Jun 05, 2016 02:12am

This episode Pakistan is playing will turn against them on world platform. Nobody is believing that this guy is having anything to do with spying looking to the video Pakistani present. Expert on spying will make out and might be made out what Pakistan is up to. So it will blow hard on Pakistan face as much they try to explore this.

Kabir
Jun 05, 2016 02:15am

What will UN do. Laugh at Pakistan. UN is not an agency with any special powers. Pakistan just wants to get publicity for nothing.

ozzy
Jun 05, 2016 02:16am

@lafanga exactly he has been caught red handed Why inds crying.

Shuja
Jun 05, 2016 02:17am

@BD oh really,, why didn't you then give access to the Pakistani investigators to probe the Pathankot drama? - besides, since Nawaz Sharif is an Indian agent therefore Pakistani Security agencies are reluctant in allowing any involvement of Nawaz Sharif's foreign ministry, which will get involved if India is given Consellar access.

Malik
Jun 05, 2016 02:32am

We should give consular access even if he is a spy. Spies need to be treated respectfully and under Geneva convention. Also to Indians on this forum: this is a naval officer and if you point your fingers at even a sheep herder as spy then we have a case here. Further. For months India causes Pakistan on pathankot but now trust came out by your NIA that we were not responsible.

If we were not responsible then why were accusations hurled at us by your govt and media and why were we proven guilty without any investigation. Please stop accusing Pakistan on every small thing and start confidence building measures so that we can better the relationship. Hawks in Indian govt and media has largely played a poor role in terms of bilateral relationship. Let's work together for progress and economic development and move past allegations and covert activities. On same token Pakistan govt should also rethink its policies towards India. Our policy towards India has resulted in instability at home.

Zak
Jun 05, 2016 02:58am

@Jasjeet Pannu everytime Indias name is rubbished in the UN, a forum of 150+ countries, it is seen as a trouble maker. It's shine is worn off.

Zak
Jun 05, 2016 03:00am

@PRN then support UN kashmir plebiscite. Why ignore the death of kashmiris as if nothing happened.

Riaz Murtaza
Jun 05, 2016 03:01am

I am confident when it is the right time he will be given consular access. This is the time to collect all information about his activities in Pakistan.

WISDOM
Jun 05, 2016 03:20am

@Baba Bandook Pak-pak never asked for the same, as they were afraid to declare Kasab as their citizen....find the truth !

Joy
Jun 05, 2016 03:43am

@Baba Bandook Pakistan deny Kasab being his citizen. Do you now admit that he is your citizen?

Robert
Jun 05, 2016 04:16am

Not giving consular access is more about Pakistan's unwillingness to cooperate in resolving the issues with India. It is also about propaganda against India.

pk
Jun 05, 2016 04:18am

Give access to consulate people so that the truth comes out. Why is taking so long for evidence to give to UN.

Ramdar
Jun 05, 2016 04:19am

@Harmony-1© " Out of the horse' mouth himself" You missed to add "under duress"

Ramdar
Jun 05, 2016 04:22am

@lafanga What Parrikker said was his opinion which does not contradict with NIA chief's statement that NIA does not have proof.

Sai
Jun 05, 2016 04:30am

Was Kasab given counsellor access?

From the time Mumbai attacks happened (and even in case of Kargil), Pakistan steadfastly refused to acknowledge that any Pakistanis we were involved. They even refused to accept the bodies of the dead.

Pathankot was a small step forward where Pakistan sent in an investigation team. We all should hotpe that this forward looking move should reach its logical end.

ibs
Jun 05, 2016 04:56am

How will giving the Indians access to him bring the truth out ? If anything they'll give him covert messages to cover his tracks.

ibs
Jun 05, 2016 04:58am

@Sudhanshu Swami He has multiple identifies. The consulate can't do a DNA test to give him a visa.

MO
Jun 05, 2016 05:08am

@Asad k it wasnt from pak gov. but was done by and from Pakistan soil

joe
Jun 05, 2016 05:33am

@Tahir How long he has been in your custody ? Three months now. Have you been able to catch even one of his Pakistan agent or has he told you any specific act committed by him.? I am so and so s man,my mission was bla bla ..Only this in three months. Come on..

Observer
Jun 05, 2016 05:37am

@Tahir Lol hahahahahah this is really Funny hahahahaha

K.K.
Jun 05, 2016 05:49am

@Baba Bandook When Kasab was in custody, Pakistan did not ask for consular access, it fact Pakistan was busy denying that Kasab was a Pakistani citizen. Recall that reporters were even barred from visiting Kasab's town after his father in Pakistan claimed to have identified him from TV images. So the question of consular access to Kasab does not arise.

Fried Chillies
Jun 05, 2016 06:18am

@Ghaznavi you guys denied he was your citizen!!

Decide on a narrative and stick to it. Flip flops on international platform raises doubts and erodes credibility

Fried Chillies
Jun 05, 2016 06:23am

@Sudhanshu Swami Even more interesting is after performing "basic tasks" in 2003 he is directly handled by the chief himself and in 2013 tasked with the most sensitive international assignment.

It's like recruiting a peon and because he is good at the job of a peon the CEO starts personally interacting with him and awards him a CTO role in 10 years!!!

Rama
Jun 05, 2016 06:41am

@lafanga

If I arrest you and put in isolation you will also tell same story, without proper legal access, you can extra any type of confession statement from anybody !!!

Indian-dilse
Jun 05, 2016 06:41am

If Pakistan has strong case then they must case go to UN but at the same time they must allow consular access. By not allowing consular access Pakistan it seems that afraid .

satya7077
Jun 05, 2016 09:17am

@lafanga watch sarabjit the movie how someone is made to accept things which he hasn't done

Kamal Pasha.
Jun 05, 2016 11:40am

@The End is Near, What is the rush. Let Pakistan complete the introgations and give you full proof. You Indians always ask for proofs and it takes long.

Confidant
Jun 05, 2016 12:40pm

Good job B2, capturing him. Counsellor access may be denied, but United Nations involvement should be ensured, to weed out any perceptions of wrong doing by the Pakistani officials. India gave you access to JIT on Pathankot bombing or not ? And how did Pakistan feel ? Well this probe should be fair and seen to be fair as well pus transparent, for every one to see.

Mahen
Jun 05, 2016 12:54pm

How many people who were dealing with this so called spy have been arrested? NONE? How come?

S Chatterjee
Jun 05, 2016 01:01pm

I doubt in this case. A person with valid document and frequently talking to his wife in his mother tongue etc ., casts doubt about the claim of Pakistani government. In fact we have more distrust than trust. Such attitude not good for development for both the nations.

lafanga
Jun 05, 2016 04:06pm

@satya7077 " watch sarabjit the movie how someone is made to accept things which he hasn't done"

So you want me to watch a Bollywood movie to find some truth hahaha. Good joke.

If you want to accept Ajmal Kasab testimony then you you will have to accept Kulbushan Jhadev testimony as well. You can't accept one and reject the other just because it doesn't suit you. To resolve this both countries need to cut this nonsense and seriously sit down and talk about all the issues and move towards peace and prosperity for both countries. Anything less then that and we will be embroiled in this drama for many years to come.

Zak
Jun 06, 2016 12:53am

Only Pakistan knows how to put India in its place. Proud of Pakistan. Good decision.

Zak
Jun 06, 2016 12:57am

@ajay one word 'Pathankot'. Entire Government, media and spy spooks RAW blamed Pakistan, but the Indian investigation agency clearly stated, pakistan had no links. Indians need to look inwards and see the rot within their establishment which is misleading them.

pk
Jun 06, 2016 01:23am

@Asad k It was from Pakistani side but Pakistan Govt. was not involved. The good terrorists of Pakistan send the misguided poor Pakistanis to do this terrorists act.

pk
Jun 06, 2016 01:33am

@Baba Bandook Kesab was a terrorist caught red handed and was all over the televation where as Jadav is an alleged spy (yet not convincing proven by Pakistani Govt authority). As far as international norms spy has some rights where as the terrorist have no rights whatso ever. Since Jadav is Indian the Indian Govt. has right to have access to him and Pakistani Govt has to provide this access to Jadav. Otherwise their claim of spying is doubtful. Why is Pakistan so afraid to giving access.

Faraz
Jun 06, 2016 07:25am

@Jasjeet Pannu you are right. UN can't and will do nothing but we will destroy the RAW network in pakistan

Faraz
Jun 06, 2016 07:26am

I am sure some one in India is already thinking of making a pathetic movie on this guy.

jam shed
Jun 06, 2016 10:19am

@Jasjeet Pannu No one believed in Vietnam, Algeria's freedom. The occupiers were too powerful and too vicious.No one could imagine Soviet Union rapid breakup, imploding like a giant star into pieces or US defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan, economic melt down. It is just a matter of time. Bad policies can never bring good results. It is law of cause and effect. Nature may have a self correcting mechanism (feed back control systems kinda) to fix societies, countries even people.

PAKISTAN FIRST
Jun 06, 2016 05:38pm

I find it amusing how naïve my neighbors are....they are demanding access to a man who has been caught behind enemy lines no other country does that he was found on Pakistani soil over the assumption of espionage......my advice if guilty MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUTTA HIM

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