Dossiers of Indian hand in terrorism handed over to UN chief: Aziz
216
NEW YORK: Three dossiers containing proof of Indian involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan have been handed over to the United Nations, Adviser to the Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz told media representatives in New York.
Aziz said that Pakistan's permanent representative to UN, Dr Maliha Lodhi had shared three dossiers containing evidences pertaining to Indian interference in Balochistan, Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) and Karachi with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Mon in a meeting.
The advisor said India has been violating the ceasefire agreement with Pakistan at the Line of Control (LoC) and that foreign ministers of 15 countries have been apprised of the Indian aggression in Pakistan.
Related: India's role in promoting terror in Pakistan no secret: Sartaj Aziz
Aziz rejected Indian allegation of supporting terrorists and said Pakistan is engaged in a massive military operation against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.
He said Pakistan has suffered the most in the fight against terrorism, and our sacrifices for the sake of global peace have also been acknowledged by the entire world.
Exercising Pakistan's right to reply to the Indian allegations, Counselor Permanent Mission of Pakistan to the UN, Bilal Ahmad in a letter to UN too confirmed the development.
The letter sent to Ban Ki-Moon bring to his notice that India’s attempts to deny illegal occupation of Jammu and Kashmir deployment of over seven hundred thousand security forces in the region.
"Only an occupier would oppose the implementation of UN Security Council Resolutions that promised self-determination to the people of the disputed State of Jammu and Kashmir. Over 100,000 Kashmiris have been killed, thousands of women widowed and raped, and children orphaned by this brutal occupation and the most egregious form of state terrorism by India," read the letter.
Also read: PM Nawaz urges Ban Ki-moon for plebiscite in Kashmir
Bilal Ahmed told the UN Secretary General that Independent human rights organisations have confirmed the existence of over 6,000 unnamed mass graves in India-held Kashmir.
The diplomat maintained that India’s insistence on limiting the talks to a one point agenda proves that it is neither interested nor serious in engaging in a genuine dialogue adding that India has not only stalled the bilateral dialogue but also vitiated the overall atmosphere between the two countries using the 'terrorism bogey'.
The diplomat reminded the UN Secretaty Generals' good office that Pakistan’s commitment, and its role and sacrifice in the fight against terrorism, including the success of our ongoing counter-terrorism operations, have been acknowledged and praised by the entire international community.
Earlier on Thursday Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had told reporters at a press conference at Waldorf Astoria hotel after his UNGA speech that if he had a meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi he would have handed the dossier over to him.
Also read: PM says dossier on Indian interference to be given to UN
He said that Pakistan was keen to have peaceful neighbourly relations but India had not reciprocated with the same sentiments. “It is the time that India should act by coming forward and desist from violating the ceasefire on LoC and Working Boundary,” he said.
Premier Nawaz Sharif had announced on Wednesday his proposal of a four-point agenda at the annual United Nations General Assembly, saying the two nuclear-armed countries should formalise a ceasefire in Kashmir and take steps to demilitarise the divided region.
The proposals were rejected by India which said talks among officials of both countries on terrorism that collapsed in August should be revived.
Explore more: Willing to visit New Delhi without preconditions, says Aziz
Read more
On DawnNews
Comments (216) Closed
Oct 02, 2015 12:58pm
Looks like Pakistan went full throttle with the K word at the UN this time.
Interesting strategy.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 12:59pm
Good job. Well done. Diplomatic way and in accordance with international law is the best way to counter Indian aggression and terrorism in Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:00pm
Excellent move - WELL DONE PAKISTAN.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:01pm
Its high time the true face of india is shown to the world.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:01pm
We need to find some way to convince Indian people that their Govt. is lying with them. Otherwise, they will never know the truth.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:01pm
India will never be forgiven for what they have done to the innocent Kashmiris.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:02pm
Good Effort! The state of India should have been exposed much earlier in front of the international community.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:06pm
Good...Indian hand in promoting terrorism in pakistan should be brought infront of the whole world..
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:06pm
Good job. These steps are not as insignificant as the Indians will pretend they are.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:08pm
A dosier which cannot be shown to their own public or their own media person is itself have questionable validity. India shown every detail of Pakistan involvement in Mumbai attack to the media, Pakistan and international body . Does he have any explanation of not showing it to media??
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:09pm
Till Pakistan neutralizes everyone involved with Lashkar E Toiba, Hizbul Mujahideen and Hakkani Network, all initiatives to fight terrorism is null and void. Zarb E Abz is basically handling a law and order problem, involving domestic uprising.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:10pm
Thanks a lot to Pakistan's intelligent diplomats. This is another nail in the coffin of the disputes between the two neighbors.
Modi and India wanted to have peace with Pakistan. Now I think we can forget any talks.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:12pm
Bravo...No use to have any negotiation with india
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:13pm
Good. Let's expose them once and for all.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:14pm
Very timely and meaningful response from Pakistan in context to Indian Foreign Minister speech at UN.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:17pm
When is the dossier made public? of not, why?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:17pm
Good to see that real face of the so called fake democracy of India is exposed to the world by Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:20pm
what will UN do ???
nothing just file it
UN korean secretary cant even bring peace between 2 koreas
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:23pm
@Leo ...like the peace you wanted with all your neighbors for example Nepal where you blocked everything for them unless they change their Constitution per india's wishes.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:25pm
Go and hand over everything and anything
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:26pm
Mahatma Gandhi rightly said
"An eye for an eye make the whole world blind".Today is Mahatma Gandhi birth day (oct 2).
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:27pm
What matters is if UN even consider those documents as evidence or just trash it. Lets see after few months if anybody even cared about the dossier.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:27pm
@Usman first share the document in public before your comment . ..wait and see.. there is no substance in it ...
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:28pm
Well done, we have to fight legally, politically and peacefully like Quaide Azam. well done PM and Sartaj Aziz
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:28pm
Long live Nawaz Sharif and PML-N
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:28pm
@RAJA try your best ...nothing will be there ..its a document with no substance ...
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:32pm
If evidence is so incredible then why not mentioned in Mr Nawaz speech.
Now interesting point is whether those dossiers end up in UNSC , only time will tell.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:33pm
Can media have access to that dossiers? We are not convinced as it can only be a letter to Un chief.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:33pm
What happened to the dossiers given by India to Pakistan regarding involvement of its citizens in the Mumbai attacks...same thing will happen here...Government will save its face...thats all
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:35pm
It is very much true that India is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan by using poor Afghans.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:35pm
@Leo that's a joke of the century Modi wanted peace with Pakistan...it may be possible with other leaders but not withave Modi
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:36pm
We Indian are happy now. Well Done Sir Ji .
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:37pm
Dossier alone is not enough of right effort. There must be forceful and consistent result oriented followup.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:37pm
@Dr. Abdul Rahman How can Indian be be convinced when it's not shown to the public, even Pakistanis have not seen proof of it they believe cause their government said so.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:38pm
Good move by pak.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:51pm
All fabricated documents, just to mislead the world
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:55pm
we pakistanis want to live in peace ,otherwise end is inevitable ,india you choose !
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:56pm
Best of luck Pakistan....
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:58pm
What should we expect from India whose PM also confirming that they were involved in creation of Bangladesh?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 01:59pm
@Indian very true bro...finally a tough Indian govt which knows how to tackle Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:00pm
@suman Maybe because we have actual sensitive intelligence in it, rather than Bollywood Masala dressed up as accusations.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:01pm
Well done Pakistan....
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:07pm
Not a meaning full one.
Nothing is going to happen
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:09pm
Very Good Move by Pakistan!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:11pm
@suman what proof India showed to media against pakistan. Why india not showing.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:12pm
PM should have also mentioned Indian involvement in terrorists activities inside Pakistan in his address to UN General Assembly. Always talk good and wish for dialogue is interpreted as weakness by India which is unfortunately run by extremists.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:13pm
No doubt.....absolutely good move by PAkistan
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:14pm
The so called 'dossier' will be filed and forgotten. Pakistan will have to think of something else now. The world is not interested.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:15pm
@suman We won't show sensitive info in public so that India could tamper with proofs, harass witnesses etc. etc. These evidences are not the same silly self-created evidences the Indian media creates on its own against Pakistan which even the Indian FM do not value.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:15pm
For Pak this is the way forward. Forget about dialogue with India until the latter shows an interest. Well done NS, SA & ML at the recent UN Meetings.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:17pm
@Leo - After NS's conciliatory speech and offer of dialogue, you rejected it with some contempt and you think its Modi and India who "wanted to have peace with Pakistan". Even our General said we want peace with India. The thing to understand is, it starts with dialogue that you rejected with some disdain!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:20pm
@Leo , yeah Modi wanted peace with Pakistan by killing our innocent civilians via terrorism and LOC violations. I agree with you that we should forget any kind of talk between two countries and i don't think Pakistan even needs to talk. PM is just offering India a peace talk option for world to see.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:20pm
Does the dossier contains the name of Ajit Doval and the patron in chief, the esteemed PM of India. India hand in breakup of Pakistan, Modi acceptance in B'desh about it doesn't need a dossier, it open for everyone to see.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:21pm
@SRK Because our policy is not to appease the masses always and become a showman like Modi. We will choose a path which would bear fruitful results and this is the perfect path taken by our policy makers.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:22pm
Can UN do any thing... except for making you wait for another 70 years.
solution lies in talking to India and agreeing for curbing terrorism..
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:22pm
That's the wise approach. Instead of throwing tantrums like India, Pakistan used the right approach, which is presenting undeniable proofs to the world community about Indian involvement is exporting terrorism in Pakistan using Afghanistan as a launching pad for it. Interestingly, India has weakened its stance by using propaganda as a tool to convince international community that Pakistan is, allegedly, exporting terror to it neighbor.
The right approach on appropriate forums is now proving fruitful in the form of widely lauded actions of Pakistan against terrorist of all hue and colors. They way Pakistani PM and Army Chief is treated and greeted by the international community is the testament to that.
It's pretty serious situation for India. Now nobody is ready to pay heed to their flawed narrative about Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:23pm
@suman that's the difference between sensationalizing an event for other objectives and genuine will to resolve all outstanding issues....what you guys did is way below our moral grounds!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:24pm
@Ashish Chaudhary Interestingly, nobody in this world cares about tantrums India keep throwing about Pakistan. Please behave sensibly and act like a -super power of the world.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:24pm
@Leo "Modi and India wanted to have peace with Pakistan"
Really? Can you provide one shred of evidence to backup your statement? On the contrary ever since Modi came to power, it has been downhill. Frequent LoC violations, jingoistic and warmongering statements from BJP ministers, proudly admitting Indian involvement in 1971 East Pakistan, Openly admitting spreading terror in Pakistan etc etc.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:25pm
Expose them to the world, nothing will happen because of India purchasing power, but atleast Pak has had the guts to show the world of their hand in terrorist activities in Pak. They have been using the internal issues of Pak and under that disguise been carrying out attacks in Pak, so when they get caught, they can say, it was your own groups involved.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:29pm
@suman UN is better platform where your face will be exposed. then the rest of the world can see !
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:30pm
Come on let us discuss about terrorism first as indicated by EA minister.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:32pm
Indian commentators here clearly do not understand diplomacy when they keep asking for public disclosure of intelligence documents. First stage is Threat to Expose, second is Expose to UN and other countries, and finally Expose to Public (if a must). Exposing to countries exposes Indian agents in that document and makes their operation difficult in those countries. Do you guys remember Indian FM saying that in public waving of intelligence dossiers is not right - why did she say that? Because she knows such dossiers contain condemning information.
Wikileaks will soon publish these .. In due course.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:32pm
Good move by Pakistan...should have done earlier.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:33pm
Well done Pakistan . Let the fun begin, what do you say, sweet Indians ?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:33pm
In simple words..... Useless!!!.
Pakistan is a temporary member of UNSC and they could have taken it there for Sanctions if they have credible evidence
Also for everybody's information, UN has removed Kashmir from their list of unresolved disputes in 2010.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:33pm
@suman "India shown every detail of Pakistan involvement in Mumbai attack to the media"
All the evidence India has ever shown, publicly or privately, against Pakistan is based on hearsay and hearsay evidence is not admissible in any court of law in the world.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:34pm
@suman So first Indians were like , "go ahead and give it to UN" and now that it has been handed over , it is of "questionable validity"? Pathetic
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:34pm
@Ashish Chaudhary History will record all crimes committed by Indian state in Kashmir and also their support of terror in Pakistan. It will be a black period in Indian history and will achieve nothing for India as Kashmiris will never want to be part of India, and India knows this point and hence their failure to allow a referendum in Kashmir to solve the problem once and for all.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:35pm
@D.Rajendran No, let's discuss it on a global forum.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:37pm
Deal with people with STRENGTH . People do not respect who are timid,
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:38pm
What sort of world order do we have ?Being a common Kashmiri living in the indian occupied territory i have seen so much brutality and oppression at the hands of the indian forces. Thousands of our innocent youth wre killed in front of us and then branded as terrorists. so many rapes and nearly ten thousand people have just dissappeared in custody and yet not even a single person has been made accountable.Despite India Committing such unimaginable attrocities on us we only hear about Islamic Terrorism and Pakistani sponsored terrorism. Indian media has done everything to always block any negative information coming out of Kashmir. It has to be said though that Indian Propaganda machinery has been hugely successful in portraying a totally different scenario with respect to the ground realities in front of there countrymen and the world in general.A Common Indian has a perception that the only problem with kashmir is a few Pakistani Gunmen coming from across the border.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:39pm
India has supported non-state militants in Sri Lanka, Afghanistan& what was once East Pakistan! Has history of importing terrorism in the region.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:40pm
Great. Now if evidence is genuine then UN is bound to take some action against India and if evidence is bogus then it will go into a dustbin
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:42pm
@manoj It may be confidential, yet some of them are too clear for instance your Drone hit by our forces!!!!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:43pm
As an Indian, if there is any substance in dossiers I would be first to ask my got to stop such non value adding activities.
I just don't see what we have to gain by weakening Pakistan...we don't want your land nor resources. Strong Pakistan is in our favor....
Let's open the dossiers to media and public...sans any sensitive intelligence...like Kasab's telephone calls are available for everyone...
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:43pm
@Dr. Abdul Rahman Yes just like your govt convinces your people.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:43pm
Only 3??! But what about those declaration I read one after one on Indian terror links and those RAW people getting caught everyday!?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:43pm
@ishtiaq khan Things have changed vastly since 1940s. Pakistan is still stuck with a diplomacy that the world has largely moved on from. Take a look at Nawaj Sharif's speech at the UN a few days ago, and you should be able to see for yourself how passe his world view is.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:46pm
First convince your own people about so called dossier. If you really think you have solid proof (against India), why to hide with your own media or public.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:48pm
@Dr. Abdul Rahman, I want to believe it sire, but how can you convince me until you don't disclose this to public... Cause we people don't have any access to UN documents !
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:51pm
@Zak Sir India considers Kashmir issue a bilateral issue so doesn't involve 3rd party. But you can show the dossier to any country, any forum of ur choice. Good luck
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:53pm
Real cause of terrorism in Pakistan is due to interference of India
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:56pm
I have troubles in some Basic logic.
Pakistan is currently a Temporary Member of UNSC. If they had credible evidence, they could have presented the so called Dossier there and get all kinds of Sanctions. If you claim that you were waiting to do it in global forum why didn't your PM present the "Dossier" when he addressed the UNGA.
Why present it to UN Secretary General when you hold the power to act in UNSC. You even have your best ally China in UNSC to get your point across.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:56pm
@VIJAY DINANATH, going by your (flawed) logic the Indian government has been lying all along since the UN never took any action on your evidence.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 02:58pm
What should we say about the immaturity of a country whose PM confesses of intrusion into another country's affairs, Modi in Bangladesh. The irony is on one day they take pride in it and on another day they are crying of it.
Get mature enough to stand by what you say. A crying nation where A Muslim is killed for eating Beef and they call themselves Secular.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:01pm
@Prasad a strong Pakistan is not favourable to India. That's an utterly false assumption and not an opinion of your government. And terror allegations are not for media trial. Media trial is something Indians prefer but not Pakistan or other nations who understand the meaning of doing things the right way. And Pakistani public doesn't want media trial of Indian involvement. USA spying on EU heads the evidence was not shown in media either. Indians are living in dream world if media trials.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:01pm
@Raja Hindustani - Brahamdagh Bugti of Baluchistan admits RAW assistance and involvement. Just like Modi admitting in Bangladesh of training Mukti Bahini and in breaking Pakistan. One suspect in money laundry case in London admits in his police interview of getting funds from RAW. This is REAL evidence coming from horses mouths!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:02pm
@Awara Had it been a bilateral issue you wouldn't have gone to UN for a ceasefire and a plebiscite later
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:05pm
@Optimus Prime - Nice logical point - perfect! I like people with logic.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:07pm
@yawar we're with you brother. The entire Pakistan supports Kashmiris' right of self-determination. Indian oppression is going to end soon.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:08pm
seems pakistani government is only interested about kashmir and has no other development agenda for its people.wherever it goes around the globe...They just speak the same topic.India and kashmir.whereas modi spoke on global inclusion and development and did not even
speak on pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:08pm
@Raja Hindustani Why would a sensitive document like that be made public ? Have Indians made anything related to Mumbai attacks public ? Making a lot of noise isn't proof of anything !
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:11pm
@Raja Hindustani passe? That's one practical solution. How many solutions have your 'democratic' governments came up with besides oppression and time-gaining?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:11pm
Pakistan is using fair policy against the atrocities of Indian hypocrite attitude and is justified by doing such moves to show world and UN for such abnormal behavior of India.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:13pm
@Awara India can consider all it wants. Kashmir is part of this world and there are two valid UN resolutions signed by India too. It's not a child's play that India changes stance to bilateral just because.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:13pm
Pakistan need to understand that current world is not being governed by UN.
UN is not a global policemen to whom Pakistan always goes and complain. See the world history; might is always right. If you are strong (economically and politically) everyone will be on your side and no one can even think of doing harm to you.
No country or International body will listen Pakistan till you will become strong. Possessing nuclear weapon will not make you strong but strong economy and very good goodwill across world will going to make you strong. I hope Pakistani leadership understand this and instead of wasting their time & money on UN, they work to develop their own country.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:15pm
When India given Dossiers that was not enough for Pakistan, if same reply you will get from India what would be your reaction?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:19pm
Waste of time.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:19pm
@Yawar - So touching to read your comment. It would be utterly shameful if anyone can dismiss how you describe this brutality and oppression going on in Kashmir.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:27pm
What UN does with dossiers from a culprit- Pakistan ?. UN will issues a statement -" We encourage India and Pakistan to resume dialogues and settle all issues through bilateral discussions".
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:30pm
great move by pakistn
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:30pm
What ever was in those papers it should have been said in the assembly, for all to hear.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:31pm
It seems to be an excellent move by Pakistan to resolve the issues through dialogues. Killing of 100000 Kashmiri people by Indian forces should awaken the conscience of the world community; UN should prove it worth by meeting this challenge in stopping India from further aggression; come to the negotiation table and resolve the issues one by one. Dear India please listen: There is no short cut to giving rights of self-determination to the people of Kashmir.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:32pm
my fellow Pakistani friends should remember that India provided mumbai taj blast evidence with Interpol and FBI and on that base only US banned LeT and their leader Hafiz Saeed...and guys whole world knows UN is quasa US decision making authority..it's simple whatever US wil order UN will follow ...
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:33pm
@yawar, Deepest sympathy to our Kashmiri people's hardest time since so long. Unfortunately you are part of that heavenly land where two greedy nations fighting for. One has got a tight grip since the partition happened and another one doing everything possible to snatch it... as much Pakistan tries as a consequence India will tight the fist and you will get more pain. Looks like no one actually cares about your bleeding. :(
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:34pm
Well, as an Indian, I can't wait to hear what UN thinks of this dossier. It was getting tiresome hearing: we have proof, we have proof, without hearing any specifics. Now let's see what a neutral party thinks of Pakistan's documents of proof and how compelling a case that Pakistan made.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:34pm
@prasant do think that Pakistan should have waited more in the hope of peace dialogue with India? If we try someone whom we have already tried is a reflection on our intelligence.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:38pm
well done Aziz, now step aside and let UN do their job. Sooner, India will be kneeling down for peace talks if not, then inflicting a policy of tit for tat. enough said and enough heard by India's hindus ruling the country with all sorts of trouble they are creating for Muslims in India and for Kashmiris....
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:39pm
This India obsession will get us nowhere. Need to get on with our own development agenda. Going to the UN, US, China and Russia is like beating ourselves on a lost cause.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:39pm
This can be a good show to Pakistani peoples but I don't think international community will do anything. Similal claims India slo doing. Ultimately solution lies in mutual understanding and talks.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:40pm
@yawar So far UN is a failed body, a tool in the hands of rich and powerful countries and their cronies. Don't expect too much from UN or the world community at large as might is right is still the law ruling the world. Having said that, something is better than nothing. It was excellent move by Pakistan to internationally expose India for atrocities committed by its forces in J & K. Hope it will sober India a bit atleast.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:40pm
@aqdas Then please continue negotiations only with Kashmiri separatists.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:48pm
@Raja Hindustani Being Pakistani we don't need any evidence from our Government as we know they are telling truth. Like Indian involvement in creation of Bangladesh as confirmed by Mr. Modi, India wants more pieces from Pakistan i.e., small countries around it.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:48pm
Will someone please remind Pakistan that as per these UNSC resolutions they were supposed to vacate ALL of areas under its occupation first.
The sequence of UNSC resolution of 1948 was clear that Pakistan had to secure withdrawal of invaders from all of Jammu and Kashmir.
"The sequence is very clear --first Pakistan secures withdrawal of invaders. #UNSC Res 47 of 1948.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:49pm
@suman Only Dramas are shown to media, Pakistani people dont want to see evidence because evidence is for those who dont believe you but we Pakistanis know that Indians are promoting terrorism in our country, Indians did it in 1971 through Mukti Bahini (admitted by Modi in recent Bangladesh visit) they did it in 1992 in Karachi, Indian agents like Surabjeet Singh and Kashmir Singh did it in the 90's and now again in Balochistan, Karachi and FATA India is playing its dirty game.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:49pm
Good move by Pakistani diplomats. They need to expose the real face of today's India which is that of an extremist regime that is terrorising its minorities and bullying its smaller neighbours. Much of the international community may look the other way to preserve their economic interests but the fair minded ordinary people around the world will certainly take a note. The war crimes perpetrated by the Indians against the people of the illegally occupied Kashmir and other minorities must not go unnoticed.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:50pm
@Logical .......... we know you hate china more than Pak / as he has until now vetoed all your moves against Pak in combination with Russia. and your UNSC seat is a dream which will never come true.... china and russia will veto it relentlessly. the only choice is try to keep cordial and peaceful relations with us for a long time, take your army out of Kashmir.... then may be in next 40/50 years you may get that seat, but remember Pak will get that before you... may be in 3/5 years time.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:52pm
India is stuck in 2001. They think they'll get away by screaming terrorism and distract the world from the Kashmir issue. Everyone knows that India is being slippery and is trying to dodge the Kashmir issue. It won't last. Especially now since Modi's government is stirring up communal tension in India along with antagonizing Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:53pm
OK. Now lets see what the UN does with this. I do admit as an Indian, we should NOT interfere with Pakistan's internal issues. Nothing good comes of that. That said, we need to see proof, I think it should be made public and the Indian people should see it. I am quite sure 98% of the people will reject an interference from India's side.
And yes, proof like a person(terrorist) was carrying 2Lac Indian rupees in Pakistan will not be sufficient...
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:57pm
decade of numbness and lukewarm policy has given Indian sham sense of success on putting Kashmir on back burner, it's an unresolved agenda and will have to be resolved according to the wishes of Kashmiris.
Pakistan has bled and lost 60000 people with Indian supported terror in Pakistan yet India has cheeks to blame Pakistan for terrorism!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 03:59pm
Good timing.when India was accusing Pakistan of terrorism without proof, the dossier of Indian terrorism in Pakistan was handed over to un and 15 other state ministers with 'proof'. Job well done!
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:04pm
@SAEED PK : Bro, Lets assume that Pakistan have solid evidence against India. So what will UN do? Do you really think UN can help u? Remember, It was UN who passed sanction against hafiz saeed after 26/11 but what happened to him? he is roaming free now.
UN or any third country is not going to resolve these issue, the better you people understand it, the better chance of peace between two country.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:07pm
@Leo we dont need to talk with india unless india stops all thier terrorism across the border.. just have the courage to accept the truth..
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:08pm
I wanna see those
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:17pm
@Optimus Prime For you it was always lying na? So leave it. the question is, Is pakistan lying?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:23pm
Well, so this is tit for tat. Since India had prepared a dossier on Mumbai attack, Pakistan had to do one just to match India.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:27pm
mature diplamcy showsn by mature pak diplomats
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:35pm
@Awara simla agreement stated 'within reasonable timeframe', nearly half a decade past is still reasonable? No! Whereas UN resolutions are still open and valid. UN has never said those resolutions are redundant. Nehru left you guys in a mess, and you'll have to abide by those resolutions ONE day.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:42pm
@Leo . Modi wanted to have peace with Pakistan? Really. Was he using reverse psychology. Attacking our positions in Azad Kashmir. Sending trained terrorists to Karachi and Balochistan. I would never have guessed his intentions.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:45pm
Great job done by Pakostani government to bring the Kashmir issue and State terrorism of India inside of Pakistan to the attention of world forum. Now, this should not be one time and one prong attempt. Pakistan should allocate a considerable fund to apprise the world nations on a consistent basis about the Indian terrorist hand inside Pakistan and India's constant and overt discouragement of any peace dialogue with Pakistan through one, same, constant excuse that Kashmir should be off limits. Go Pakistan go and expose Indian deceit to the world and that shall be the most effective way to serve the oppressed people of Kashmir
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:48pm
@sum. This has been discussed over media several times and proofs also shown. But what's the point in doing only a media trial. Pakistan has done the right thing.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:50pm
Such allegation should have been reported to ICJ. What jurisdiction does Ban Ki Moon have in such matters?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:52pm
@Suleman Sahabuddin Indian atrocities in Lashmir are not fabricated, 700000 Indian army men to oppress Kashmiri people are not fabricated. These are brutal facts and graphic, not any fabrication.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 04:59pm
@8-Pass Charlie How do you the proofs are undeniable? Did they discuss with you before handing over to UN chief?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:09pm
Neither India or Pakistan are morally or ethically interested in truly solving the issue. Essentially they want to cut the cake and have the first piece also. Britain ruled the Sub-continent for nearly 200 years, we the people of the Sub-continent cannot live peacefully and resolve our own differences by ourselves, that indeed is a very sorry set.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:11pm
@Asif
yea best of luck.................
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:13pm
Muslim population is being bullied by extremist Hindus like Modi. And everyone knows India wants to destroy Pakistan in every field be it economic, sports.
India should refrain from bothering Pakistan Coz if God forbid there is a war every single Pakistani will defend Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:15pm
Does anybody if Dr. Lodhi shared the evidence of the wall India has built or is building?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:21pm
@lafanga Was there any progress before Modi became the PM?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:21pm
I suspect this is all for Pakistani public consumption. If the accusations were serious, they would have sent a copy to all the newspapers in the world.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:30pm
Thankyou Nawaz Sharif. Good job PMLn.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:30pm
A secret dossier.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:35pm
A press conference is needed. Invite international and Pakistani media and expose the details. Ban ki moon and UN is not a justice system or postmen. International Court is right Institute to lodge a case against India.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:36pm
@jkumar International media will get parts of those dossiers at some point. One step at a time. Wait and watch. India will no doubt get copies from UN or other friendly countries so India can always make those public ... let's see if Indian government has the guts to do so.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:42pm
Excellent and intelligent. This is the way to have your word supported by evidences. The world stands better educated. Now UN should really play its role for which it came into being. A test of UN itself.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:43pm
@Dr. Abdul Rahman
"We need to find some way to convince Indian people that their Govt. is lying with them. Otherwise, they will never know the truth."
- Have you ever questioned your (Pakistan) government and tried to find out the truth?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:45pm
Was it script of War?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:46pm
Be strong and make Muslim world united. UNO is useless as Israel continue to occupy arab lands despite UN resolutions and even posses nuclear war heads and is friend of enemies of muslims. For Israel ,USA destroyed arab world and their unity.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 05:54pm
@suman Lolz Indian Proofs... u mean like Indian media showed burning boat... u innocents made well fool by your own government and sensational media.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:02pm
When India provided dossier on Mumbai attack on 26/11 which International community also support-Pakistan's then Foreign Secretary called it piece of literature ,then what fate awaits for this dossier ,Can it be different from dozens of dossiers that India has provided to Pakistan.India has live person in its custody to show to the world,what action Pakistan has taken.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:04pm
@Suleman Sahabuddin Justr like the false and fabricated Indian documents.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:11pm
@ehsan I think there is truth in Indian document.about 26/11. The reign nationals including Americans died. The Newyork court also indicted Headly, Lakhvi and Syed. Lakhvi got bail, Syed has a 10M bounty on his head. Headly in US custody. Our documents are not open or we have not registered cases in our court.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:12pm
well played pakistan. this is what the people of pakistan want, real diplomacy. and india, please learn from our mistakes, get rid of the fascists if you really want to be called a true democracy, otherwise you are just fooling yourself :)
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:13pm
@lafanga Now lets see whether this evidence from Pakistan is excepted by any court of law.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:16pm
@Junaid Khan, MLN, Nawaz, PPP, Zardari all long live even at the cost of short lived Pakistan. I am sorry to say this but people like you Mr. Junaid Pakistan is in a mess because of your blind support of PMLAn, PPP and others. Long live this, long live that, instead of "Sab se pehley Pakistan".
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:17pm
Right move at right time Pakistan. It is probabaly only country on world's map whose PM is proven terrorist who admits himeself; how can they point finger at others? Let's start talks with TERRORISM in Kashmir by Indians forces and let the world know what their actual face is.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:17pm
@Saheb Nagori what kind of domestic uprising and by improving law and order you mean killing TTP then yeah this is what zarb e azb is about atleat here angry mob isn't burning ppl alive for eating beef
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:23pm
Wow. Great News. Now UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Mon will order for sending UN peace keeping forces in Kashmir. Pakistan should offer its side of Kashmir to UN forces. It will put pressure on India.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:36pm
Suman
Are you out of your mind? Why would the dossier need to be shown to the media? To ceeate more media frenzy and propaganda.
Blind nationalism wont lead you anywhere.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 06:53pm
No one who matters will take this seriously. India and Pakistan must talk without any preconditions and without point scoring or grandstanding. If India's stand is talk to Hurriyat after talking to us rather than before, how does it matter. What's more important to Pakistan - talking to India or talking to the Hurriyat first.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 07:11pm
Nothing is going to happen. This will be swept under the proverbial carpet like everything else. India is too important for them to take any substantial action.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 07:17pm
Peace
Please read the resolutions carefully.
There is no sequence of retreat. Even India's FM does not use that argument.
Its all drama.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 07:40pm
@manoj .......the dossier is not a bollywood script,it contains evidence so authentic thats why it is going to UN.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 07:51pm
Though well done, I think NS missed out talking about proves of indian involvement in terrorism in Karachi, FATA Balochistan. Keep a good pursuit of it.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 07:53pm
First Nawaz speech and then Dossier after Sushma's speech. Pakistan played its cards well.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 07:59pm
Please release these to the Media. Or someone can leak it. The whole World should know.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 08:06pm
well done. not a PML-N supporter at all but have to nail the indians on their diplomatic connivance of trying to persuade the world they are some superpower. put them back into their place.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 08:07pm
@suman thats an absolute lie. stop lying for once because i know its ingrained in your national fabric. your own intellectuals like arundhati roy have spoken against your policy in kashmir.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 08:21pm
@aamchi mumbai Pakistan has submitted the evidence to the UN. It's upto UN what it does with it. If it goes to UNSC then it's a victory for Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 08:23pm
Make the documents and the proof public so people can see, read, and understand that India is causing trouble in various parts of Pakistan. After all, the Indians are showing
humans who, they say, are infiltrating from Pakistan to cause terror in India. Trust can come only by evidence, not by words coming out of someone's mouth.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 08:32pm
Looks like Maliha lodhi and FO is doing a great job. Keep it up
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 09:26pm
Pakistan itself is embroiled in waging a proxy war of attrition in Afghanistan, and its decades-old interference seeking the subjugation of Afghanistan is an undeniable fact. Afghanistan is bound to pay it in the same coin and also to raise this issue at the UN Security Council.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 09:37pm
Tit for Tat, I guess.. if this is true
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 09:42pm
Being a poor kashmiri, I would like to request brothers whether from Pakistan or India that the real picture of kashmir which we kashmiri witness in day today life is too much miserable.
Women are raped,youth are killed, houses are gutted, our land is occupied,our leaders are corrupt, our resources are looted, our blood is drained, our kids shooter etc etc etc
At last I would say that Kashmir is a separate nation nation neither belongs to India nor Pakistan.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 09:58pm
I can understand that Indians will naturally be inclined to reject the proofs (we will only believe if angels will come and tell us!).
In my personal opinion, the step taken by Pakistan is enough a manifestation of its seriousness and truth in it.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 10:24pm
Willing to visit New Delhi without preconditions, says Aziz.....very doubtful as he insists after all details are finalised on meeting Kashmir terrorists which is unacceptable So the meetings are called of even before they start? Is that the condition?
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 10:28pm
Then is there any response
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 11:41pm
A lot of hot air about this dossier. India has given many such dossiers to Pakistan and there were live terrorists (Kasab and Sajjad Ahmed) captured in India but Pakistanis have chosen to either dismiss the evidence or claim that these individuals are "non-state" actors.
The Pakistani response is eye opening. I have realized that there can be no peace with Pakistan and India has to raise in stature both in technology and economy to convince Pakistan that their current policy is un-winnable.
Recommend
0
Oct 02, 2015 11:43pm
India was always ready to talk about terrorism and same was offered to Pak on UN platform by our foreign minister but Pakistan backed out.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 12:18am
It is interesting to know the details in the dossier. Why we are so much secretive that it is hidden from our people? Will Saudi, China suppport our claims? UN is not a court, UN will ask us to prove.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 12:27am
@ VIJAY DINANATH Its a two-way street, there cannot be double standards, I haven't mentioned what it is from my point of view only highlighted the flaw in your point. It is not always lying for me you were the one to question the genuity of claims not me. Sushma Swaraj who is advocating talks, was the first one to shy way on the K-word and will continue to do so.Your govt's talk of peace is nothing but a Sham thats what my POV is, there should be no ifs or buts.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 12:30am
@Farhan Headley had visited India, was collecting info does that mean US govt is involved in terror, why double standards for Pakistan who held Lakhvi without any solid evidence provided by India, Hafiz Saeed or Lakhvi never visited India so no use making irrelevant comparisons these three cannot be clubbed together.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 01:16am
@Awara thank you, we did show it to supreme international body the UN , which is mandated to carry out a UN kashmir plebiscite. India can consider what it wants, but UN resolution means it's not bilateral anymore. And the kashmiri freedom fighters will not allow india peace. Kashmiris think their freedom struggle against indian foreigners is a bilateral matter, so india can cry terrorism and blame whom ever and where ever. Good luck.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 01:20am
A friendly and prosperous Pakistan which is more focused on its economy and people and tolerant to its own minorities is a dream we all have in India. Why is Pakistan always harboring hate and mistrust ? No one in India cares for taking over any land or resources from Pakistan. Together we can achieve so much for the prosperity of our entire region. How long are we going to fight like this ? There is no end. We all know that nothing can be achieved by all this. Lets stop this accusations and start appreciating each other.. Love to all.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 01:20am
It is very surprising that many in Pakistan believe that this will amount to something substantial. Kashmir issue may be very big in Pakistan, but outside of Pakistan nobody has any time for it - that is the reality, contrary to what you may want to believe. When most countries are so busy with their own pressing issues, does anyone seriously believe that Kashmir is something they would worry about? Be practical, my Pakistani friends, this is not going anywhere. You may not like to hear that, but what is the point in wasting time, and spinning wheels.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 01:52am
but good that they didn't give it to US, otherwise US would have made them realize that it captures real time evidence on all such things and if first party to know who is doing what?
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 01:54am
I do not see any dossier being handed over in the picture. The two are just shaking hands.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 01:58am
He will file it right next to the UN resolution on Kashmir and will get to it when he feels like it. Pakistan has no inclination to prosecute Mumbai attack culprits and India has no intent to have a dialogue without any progress on the prosecution of Mumbai attack perpetrators. These are set positions and nothing will happen to change this until someone blinks. India has no incentives and has nothing to lose by not talking to Pakistan. Pakistan probably feels the sameway. In that case. why not pull back and take a deep breath and not talk about talks until you have figured out a way to break this logjam.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 02:07am
India has grave human right violation records in Kashmir, Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram, Assam, Jharkhand and so many other places. Torture on minorities became routine incidents since Modi came in power. BJP is controlled by fundamentalist organization by the name RSS. Chances of peace between tow countries are far off till Modi the disciple of RSS in power.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 02:56am
After every1 in the UN had a hearty laugh, they threw it the fireplace unread
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 03:31am
@jamil May be so. But why is that not single one of the people belonging to those oppressed states is seeking asylum in other countries?
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 04:52am
Obviously Pakistan media is NOT free! Why isnt ANY Pakistan media asking for a copy of the dossier?
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 05:12am
How big is the dossier? Will anyone in UN have time or patience to read it?
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 05:44am
@Nisar : Please expose to the world. Let Indians see it first what it is.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 05:49am
@rehan Let UN take a note of it.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 06:08am
@Robert so very true
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 06:56am
@A. Ali ,Enjoy your dreams.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 07:00am
@Khan, Canada ,Only Pakistanis are impressed!
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 07:01am
@Asif Kashmiri Yes,keep ranting while India surges ahead...
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 07:17am
@Prasad
Bhai Shiri Prasadji,
If you reverse the question,you will get the answer
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 08:29am
Releasing the allegations and the "solid proofs"to support the allegations will tarnish India,s image worldwide. So why is it kept secret?
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 09:00am
@Mahen
>Releasing the allegations and the "solid proofs"to support the allegations will tarnish India,s image worldwide. So why is it kept secret?
You are right; but there is NO "solid proofs" so what they will release? So it's better to keep it secret and just keep blaming. This is enough to fool Pakistanis.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 09:04am
So much time and energy wasted in 70 years. Tried everything wars insurgents un attacks but no resolution has come. Time to given up and instead target becoming economic superpower. India within next decade become a 5 trillion dollar economy. Wake up
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 09:30am
All these dossiers will not work to free Kashmir. Did British quit Indian sub continent on dossiers?
There should be an uprising among the locals for freedom.There should be a total boycott of the present government. The govt should feel totaly helpless in governing the state,only then there can be some thing positive.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 11:47am
Why pakistani friends are paranoid about Modi? Improve the living conditions in your country while other thisngs will follow
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 02:08pm
Now UN is going to prosecute the Indians!
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 03:13pm
A lot of times the documents cannot be shared with the public due to how they were obtained. It reveals intelligence capability
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 04:18pm
Good job!
expose the indians for what they are.
Recommend
0
Oct 03, 2015 10:56pm
Compiling a dossier is ,at best ,a clerical job.Let us wait for India's response if and when it reaches India's hands.
Recommend
0
Oct 04, 2015 01:49am
who is asian Tiger ? only PAKISTAN.
Pakistanis are only having that big brave heart that can face & fight all the challenges in the region.
Recommend
0
Oct 04, 2015 02:56am
@suman this is a diplomatic issue, one which needs to be shown to higher authorities and not to be publicized to the media.
Once it is reviewed, I am pretty sure the authorities will be the ones deciding whether or not to show it to the media.
Also, if you're really that much for transparency, do you think India shows every single dossier it provides to other nations or the UN for that matter?
Don't scamper and blame without proof. I am sure you'd be very quiet had India done the same, which they can't of course.
Just sit bac and relax and watch how your nation is humiliated after it is exposed.
And while you talk so much about ending terrorism, do tell me what your nation has done to end terrorism and rifts within your national states? Nothing. You can't even handle the Naxal extremists. Pay attention to your own problems before pointing fingers at someone else's problem.
Recommend
0
Oct 04, 2015 02:56am
@Human Just like you believe what your government says.
Let UN handle this.
Recommend
0
Oct 04, 2015 05:57am
@jkumar
Agree. It is a show by Pak PM.
Recommend
0
Oct 04, 2015 06:03am
@MUSAVIR
I do not know whar part of Kashmir you are. Are you sure that this happening in the Indian side Kashmir. If this is happening it will be all over the news media.
Recommend
0
Oct 04, 2015 10:40pm
Where was Osama hiding? who helped him? Global terrorists like Dawood, syed are in.....folks its not good to sleep walk...wake up.
Recommend
0
