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Pakistan says talks cannot be held after India's preconditions

Updated Aug 22, 2015 10:57pm


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FO spokesperson Qazi Khalilullah. – APP/File
FO spokesperson Qazi Khalilullah. – APP/File

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday night said it had come to the conclusion that the proposed National Security Adviser (NSA) level talks between Pakistan and India would not serve any purpose if conducted on the basis of the two conditions laid down by Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Sawaraj.

The announcement comes hours before NSA Sartaj Aziz was to leave for India on August 23.

The Indian foreign minister had earlier today said that India had made clear on August 18 that the scheduled meeting between national security advisers will only discuss issues related to terrorism.

"No other topic will come under discussion," she said, adding that all outstanding issues including Kashmir are part of the composite dialogue between the two countries which had not yet resumed.

Sawaraj had also said India did not recognise a third party in talks with Pakistan, referring to Pakistan's invitation to Hurriyat leaders for a meeting in Delhi.

Take a look: Willing to visit New Delhi without preconditions, says Aziz.

In a statement released in response to Sawaraj's conference, the Foreign Office says:

“While the Indian Minister accepts that, to ensure durable peace between the two countries, there is a need to discuss all outstanding issues through a sustained dialogue process, started in 1998 as Composite Dialogue and renamed as Resumed Dialogue in 2011, she then unilaterally restricts the agenda to only two items: creating an atmosphere free from terrorism and tranquility on the LoC.”

Considering that many terror “incidents” blamed initially by India on Pakistan eventually turned out to be fake, it is not improbable that India can delay the Resumed Dialogue indefinitely by concocting one or two incidents and keeping the LoC hot, said FO spokesperson Qazi Khalilullah in a statement.

Pakistan said terrorism had always been a part of the eight point composite dialogue and was always discussed simultaneously with other issues between the interior secretaries.

"It is not reasonable for India to now assume the right to decide unilaterally that from now onwards, other issues will be discussed after terrorism has been discussed and eliminated."

The spokerson said the main purpose of dialogue between India and Pakistan was to reduce tensions and restore trust as a first step towards normalisation.

"If the only purpose of NSA level talks is to discuss terrorism, then instead of improving the prospects for peace it will only intensify the blame game and further vitiate the atmosphere," he said.

That is why Pakistan had suggested that apart from discussion on terrorism related issues, the two sides should also discuss modalities and if possible a time schedule, for discussions on all outstanding issues including Kashmir, Siachen and Sir Creek, in keeping with the understanding of the Ufa statement.

"The Indian minister's attempt to draw a distinction between preambular and operative paragraphs in the Ufa statement appears to be an after-thought to justify a position that is counterproductive in terms of the ultimate objective of reducing tensions and improving trust."

As regards the second pre-condition regarding meeting with Hurriyat leaders, the FO spokesperson said it had been pointed out repeatedly that the meeting with Kashmiri leaders was a long-standing practice whenever Pakistani leaders visited India during the past twenty years.

It would be inappropriate for India to now impose the condition of changing this longstanding practice, he said.

"Pakistan, therefore, reiterates that the scheduled NSA level talks cannot be held on the basis of the preconditions set by India."

India had virtually called off talks on Friday (yesterday) after Pakistan rejected its advice to not hold talks with Hurriyat leaders in New Delhi. Pakistan had conveyed to India it would not hold talks on any pre-conditions, adding that Hurriyat leaders were a genuine stakeholder in the Kashmir dispute.

Also read: Indo-Pak security adviser level talks in jeopardy.


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ABA Aug 22, 2015 09:57pm

I totally agree with him.

Sunil Aug 22, 2015 09:58pm

United States has been watching this drama, and has also called off aid as Pakistan was not doing enough against Haqqani Network, and Nawaz Sharif meeting with Obama this coming October.

DMDiL Aug 22, 2015 09:58pm

welcoming decision by Pakistan.

Anjaan Aug 22, 2015 09:59pm

Good ... there is no point wasting time and resources in talks that would not yield any results ... !! ... meanwhile, the game of survival of the fittest will continue ... !!

Zombie Aug 22, 2015 10:02pm

Sushma swaraj gave a very matured and detailed press conference. And I also agree with Pak stance that NSA talks on terrorism alone will only intensify the blame game.

One can only hope that we are not back on square one.

Harisingh Aug 22, 2015 10:03pm

This is how everyone saw events unfolding:

(1) The two prime ministers agreed to an agenda at Ufa (2) Pakistani COAS did not agree with the agenda (3) Pakistani COAS forced the civilian government to change the agenda.

Is this democracy or a military dictatorship?

Realist Aug 22, 2015 10:06pm

Pakistan showing ignorance to Shushma Swarajs stayements and not giving satisfactory response.

Tahir Sohail Aug 22, 2015 10:06pm

India's preconditions sabotaging the dialogue process will become quite difficult to defend for her leadership.

Realist Aug 22, 2015 10:06pm

Pakistan not even ready to meet Hurriyat after the meeting between NSAs.

Vorshal Aug 22, 2015 10:08pm

Well it was expected that the NSA talks will not take place. So, let us now wait for he propitious time before we realize what we missed, if at all!

Jumla Aug 22, 2015 10:08pm

So only discussing Kashmir make sense... Sorry It is NSA level talk not Kashmir centric...

Santosh menon Aug 22, 2015 10:09pm

Mere waste of time!!.

Ameena Begum Aug 22, 2015 10:09pm

Good stance. Do not need talks when they don't yield anything as seen since last several decades.

Inditramp Aug 22, 2015 10:10pm

You took 22 days to fix a date for NSA talks.What does that tell?

Anil Aug 22, 2015 10:15pm

Its really sad... People on both sides, please don't start passing the buck on each other. Time will not forgive us for the lost opportunities.

no_hunky_punky Aug 22, 2015 10:15pm

First the commonwealth meet was moved from Pakistan for it failing to invite J&K speaker and now it's own speaker won't be attending the meet since he cheated in election. Then they get entangled in their own trap and have to call off the NSA meet with India.

Pakistan keeps scoring own goals.

Vik Aug 22, 2015 10:17pm

Aren't NSA (National Security Advisor) talks supposed to be based on security/terrorism? Where does the Kashmir issue come into this? Ajit Doval isn't the person who you're supposed to discuss the Kashmir issue.

nadeem Aug 22, 2015 10:17pm

Good decision.there is no point wasting the time,when you know nothing is going to come out of it.

Faraz Aug 22, 2015 10:17pm

Excellent reply

Inditramp Aug 22, 2015 10:19pm

Nobody denied talking on Kashmir but this was just a starter.NSA meetings could have pave way for composite dialogue for all the outstanding issues. It was decided in UFA that both nations will talk on terrorism. If Kashmir was so important for Pakistan why no mention in UFA.why do you have to manipulate the words to find Kashmir is the Ufa agreement.

aroz Aug 22, 2015 10:20pm

So, At NSA level meeting Pakistan wanted Mr. Sartaj Aziz to discuss KASHMIR with Mr. Ajit Doval ... (??) India's NSA Mr. Doval is best when dealing with issues of terrorism not an expert on Kashmir, why did Pakistanis want Mr Doval to do the job of a Politician?

TP Aug 22, 2015 10:20pm

The proposed meeting is between National Security Advisors. It is therefore appropriate that only security issues are discussed. It is also important to ensure that innocent civilians are not killed. Irrespective of solution to Kashmir issue all should ensure no innocent civilian is killed.

Uddeepta Aug 22, 2015 10:22pm

So, Indirectly Pakistan FO agrees here are at-least one or two cases of terror where Pakistan was involved and thus they don't want to discuss terror neither wants to end it completely: Nice Indeed -A really good neighbor

Good_its_Cancelled Aug 22, 2015 10:25pm

Good. Saves tax payers money on both sides of borders. India will never give Kashmir, and Pakistan will never stop asking for it- so it's a stalemate anyways.

Harmony-1 Aug 22, 2015 10:26pm

Yes, logically there should be no preconditions on holding talks as everything should be discussed during the dialogue. No one can order to "obey" first.

Abhishek Aug 22, 2015 10:27pm

Bangladesh and India too had terrorism problem. But we both worked it out and then only talks were fruitfull and we both signed peace treaty. Same applies here make a joint effort to remove terrorism and then only peace talks will be successful.

Secular Indian Aug 22, 2015 10:29pm

Ufa joint statement states: They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides: 1. A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.

So here it is clearly laid out that the NSAs would discuss terrorism only. There is no ambiguity in the statement. Everyone should make their own conclusion about who is right.

Vasan Aug 22, 2015 10:30pm

People from both side lost an opportunity getting a peaceful line of control. I hope there will be a next schedule soon.

Rahul Aug 22, 2015 10:30pm

So be it. What I fail to understand is, what was your PM doing in Ufa?

Don't you guys accord any importance to the document that he and PM Modi jointly signed there?

SB Aug 22, 2015 10:30pm

Enjoy a nice weekend in Islmabad... No point chasing mirage...

Manjeet Aug 22, 2015 10:34pm

I am very happy with this development. India will now have reasons to fend off pressure from international community to talk to Pakistan. Pakistan has cleverly used this opportunity to highlight Kashmir and Hurriyat. India foreign ministry has task at hand to damage control and work towards minimizing space for Pakistan at International stage.

Last Word Aug 22, 2015 10:35pm

The deep state in Pakistan must be celebrating that their efforts for the past one month had ultimately been rewarded in getting the talks cancelled. Sartaj Aziz must also be greatly relieved for not facing Doval with his dossier containing clinching evidence against Pakistan.

Sam Aug 22, 2015 10:36pm

Alright! Status quo continues... Jobs of politicians on both the sides is secure....they are seen as sticking to their principled people have no reasons to complain. Spending billions on military hardware continues..all the grownup countries will express concern and would want these two backward countries to sit and talk but of course they are happy to offer more arms. Civilians on either side and soldiers in trenches continue to sacrifice ...hey! who cares...principles are more important for those in power as long as it is not their life which is at stake. Sad state of affairs with no end in sight! How I wish that, in both the countries those in power stick to principles and predences in all other matters of public importance!

Sudhir Neyalasinger Aug 22, 2015 10:37pm

The daggers are clearly drawn out now. There can't be any scope for talks. India will defend her borders against non state actors. Pakistan by issuing a statement like this has also given India the consent to go ahead with her covert ops, whatever they are. The common folks on both sides of the border have to brace themselves for another round of skirmishes.

Being Indian Aug 22, 2015 10:37pm

If India want to start dialog to neutralize Terrorism all over then what is the problem. Later on all issues can be discussed said India. First let there be peace then political issues will be discussed said Indian Foreign Minister Sushama Swaraj.

Pakistan should start a dialog with India and henceforth they can discuss issues which includes Kashmir. Now Pakistan Government can choose whether they want to resume dialog and move further.

Sam Aug 22, 2015 10:37pm

India's cheap tricks have blown up in its face. They tried to sweep the kashmir issue under the carpet and the opposite has now happened - Kashmir has once again grabbed headlines and India has been left exposed. Great Going Pakistan. India is doing a great job in messing up its own image under Modi!

zahir Aug 22, 2015 10:37pm

Pakistan is fighting the war on terrorism but refuses to collaborate or have a conversation with India on how we can jointly resolve this scourge from our countries. Is Kashmir the root cause of terrorism in Pakistan as well ? Are all of Pakistan's problem connected with Kashmir ? As long as military interest continue to be more important than people's prosperity, a siege mentality and insecurity would continue in the country.

FREEDOM Aug 22, 2015 10:40pm

Under the Regime of Mr. Modi, i don't believe peace talk can be started.

Vectra Aug 22, 2015 10:41pm

Now happy,atleast India will now sit and relax,at last it was pakistan who called of the talk.Now time to answer international community's some tough questions 1) Why you call off NSA level talk when UFA clearly mentioned Terrorism only where there was no mention of K word and which was there all over in all international medias? 2)Why you blame India when you yourself distorted UFA Joint Statement? 3)Despite host who has the sovereign right to deny foreigner to meet actors in its soil others than the federal govt and advising you a day before the talk and giving you ample time to decide why did you not payed heed to it? 4) Why you did not invited J&K speaker and violated Articles 10(2)(e) and 11(4)(d) of CPA Constitution by not inviting a member of CPA? 5)Why have you not taken enough Haqqanis and Afgan Taliban forcing US to not certify you?. 6)Why you host Afgan Talibal leaders in your soil angering Afganistan?

Alok Ishwar Aug 22, 2015 10:41pm

Finally meeting is being called off anyways it was meaningless. Good decision by pak government but it makes no benefit for Kashmiri brothers.

Rahul Aug 22, 2015 10:42pm

Pakistan has also been a victim of terror recently. For some of these attacks, some portions of Pakistani media is blaming India. On the other hand, India has faced terrorism since a long time and has been a real victim of terrorism. There is credible evidence for terror machinery in Pakistan (refer to recent article in dawn by Tariq Khosa). It is in favour of both the countries to discuss terrorism because for any talk a suitable climate is required. The climate between India and Bangladesh resulted in the solution of a long pending issue. So India could not be doing something else with Bangladesh and something else with Pakistan. We want peace and we want terror to end. Period. Without talks, it seems like, Pakistan is saying, if you don't talk on Kashmir, terror would continue!

Pakistan leaders should show some maturity in this context. They can always meet Hurriyat (which India never stopped), but not during the NSA talks. When there is peace, it is easier to find a solution.

SK Aug 22, 2015 10:43pm

Well, the show must go on..

zabi Aug 22, 2015 10:45pm

If you have paraphrased Sushmaji do remove the quotation marks , else remove the sentence which was added by you from the quote. As for India, the MEA has made it clear that under the agreed dialogue framework Kashmir is not a topic of discussion. Also the reason for that was explained that territorial disputes are matters handled by Foreign Secretary and not NSA.

Not sure how Pakistan accepts Sartaj Azizji as an all in one spokes person , you probably don't need a Foreign Secretary or PM/Finance Secretary if you have Sartaj Aziz in you Govt!

Crickfan USA Aug 22, 2015 10:47pm

My fellow men.. how long will we people of great subcontinent, continue to act like this. I blame both equally for this child ish behavior. How many children die of hunger, disease and malnutrition in both countries each year is more than population of Kashmir. Please learn from other countries, think globally and work together to eradicate the real problem in both countries i.e. supply of basic necessities to common people

Alok Ishwar Aug 22, 2015 10:49pm

This kind of support for Kashmiri is unique. It makes me wonder that so much sacrifice to get nothing You want them to get freedom or you want to rule them . If you want them as a separate nation then start with your side and if you want to rule them then another thousand years won't be enough. You should learn something from history like east Pakistan chapter or sieachin chapter

saje Aug 22, 2015 10:50pm

Pakistan's stand here is more logical and more pragmatic.

Vectra Aug 22, 2015 10:53pm

"Keeping in mind the spirit of the Simla Agreement, don't make Hurriyat a third party to the talks, and keeping the spirit of Ufa, don't expand the subject of talks beyond terrorism," Sushma Swaraj said---MEA India

Now things is clear,historically India has never budged an inch on Shimla accord since 1971 and thinking that it will dilute its stand in this NSA talk is very childish by pakistani establishment and about pakistan deviating from Ufa Joint Statement then either you agree or not but technically world will blame pakistan for all this mess created and in the process of which even Commonwealth cancelled its meet in pakistan.

joe Aug 22, 2015 10:57pm

Discuss terrorism now and in next meeting discuss Kashmir What is the problem

Aj Aug 22, 2015 10:58pm

India is clearly not interested in peace. No use in wasting time with these pointless talks.

Daood Aug 22, 2015 10:59pm

Great decision, inappropriate behavior shouldn't be tolerated when it comes to peace within the region.

abhijit Aug 22, 2015 11:00pm

Why pakistan is running away from facing truth ,

Daood Aug 22, 2015 11:00pm

"If the only purpose of NSA level talks is to discuss terrorism, then instead of improving the prospects for peace it will only intensify the blame game and further vitiate the atmosphere"

Couldn't agree more.

Vectra Aug 22, 2015 11:01pm

Sushma Swaraz ridiculed Sartaz, She said that what Aziz was reading at his press conference from the Ufa talks between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif was the “preamble” of the joint statement signed by both countries.

“He was reading the Ufa preamble — the operative part is below. He did not read the operative part, which said there will be three meetings — between the NSAs to discuss terrorism, talks between the DG BSF and Pakistani Rangers, and between the DGMOs.” So where kashmir came.

manoj Aug 22, 2015 11:01pm

"It is not reasonable for India to now assume the right to decide unilaterally that from now onwards, other issues will be discussed after terrorism has been discussed and eliminated."

Why? The main problem the two countries are facing is terrorism.

anuj Aug 22, 2015 11:04pm

Frankly speaking both countries doesn't want talks they r playing just with domestic politics...Pakistan playing Kashmir issue India playing terrorism issue...but in international level they r getting per ufa statement it was clearly mentioned that nsa levels talks would b on a normal citizen I'm getting frustrated now by seeing this both countries taking hard line wether pak army or sartaj aziz nd pm modi feel sad for nawaz Sharif he really wants gr8 relations wid India but they r not in fully powered

Rational Mind Aug 22, 2015 11:05pm

I think talks will be possible and useful once democracy takes hold in Pakistan and army is subservient to democratically elected Govt. Until then its better each of the countries just focus on domestic issues while not interfering in each others affairs. Talk after a couple of generations later when climate may be more sober.

Virat Aug 22, 2015 11:05pm

As an indian... whew.. This is the best outcome. It is pakistan that needs to talk with india. India has been taking far worse from Pakistan through the 90s and 00s and still came out of it with its economy doing well and on target to be 3rd largest. So india can do this indefinitely. Besides, the blame for calling off the talks is on Pakistan from all logical viewpoints. All in all a satisfactory outcome for India.

Leo Aug 22, 2015 11:06pm

Nothing surprising! Two great nations who don't have food, education and health are doing a great service to each other..

ismail Aug 22, 2015 11:08pm

One sided agenda cannot be accepted of hostile nation, who don't want to look into the root cause.

Kashmiri34 Aug 22, 2015 11:08pm

Pak is not understanding that NSA can talk only for security issue, DG and DGMO can talk only for border issues and FM or PM can talk for the state issue...This is a diplomacy. India can not ruled its entire issue to NSA or its Army...It is a democracy which is run and powered by a well elected people...

Raja Hindustani Aug 22, 2015 11:09pm

Don't talk; status quo on kashmir issue will in India favour only.

Atul Aug 22, 2015 11:10pm

...not a good omen for peace in the subcontinent...not holding talks clearly reflects the lackadaisical attitude of both governments. I think Pakistan government should have gone ahead with the talks...

karma Aug 22, 2015 11:12pm

Good.. Keep going where you are going..

wickramsinghe Aug 22, 2015 11:12pm

Well, it is same old story...we agree to disagree on everything

sid Aug 22, 2015 11:13pm

Its simple logic...NSA level meeting will discuss only on national security n terrorism between two nation... Wat this meeting wit this hurriyat will do who hav less den 1% following in Kashmir

Vectra Aug 22, 2015 11:15pm

"Keeping in mind the spirit of the Simla Agreement, don't make Hurriyat a third party to the talks, and keeping the spirit of Ufa, don't expand the subject of talks beyond terrorism," Sushma Swaraj said---MEA India

Now things is clear,historically India has never budged an inch on Shimla accord since 1971 and thinking that it will dilute its stand in this NSA talk is very childish by pakistani establishment and about pakistan deviating from Ufa Joint Statement then either you agree or not but technically world will blame pakistan for all this mess created and in the process of which even Commonwealth cancelled its meet in pakistan.

zak Aug 22, 2015 11:16pm

India wanted the talks to collapse, so as to blame Pakistan, but Pakistan has brought the Kashmir occupation back on to the international focus.

mani Aug 22, 2015 11:17pm

Diplomacy is a two way deal. India wants to discuss terrorism and Pakistan wants to discuss Kashmir so both sides should respect each other desires and NSA talks should go on. People in both countries expect better than this

Vectra Aug 22, 2015 11:18pm

At the end of day everyone will say pakistan overreacted and messed up the whole thing and got nothing but an empty plate.Now time to answer international community's some tough questions 1) Why you call off NSA level talk when UFA clearly mentioned Terrorism only where there was no mention of K word and which was there all over in all international medias? 2)Why you blame India when you yourself distorted UFA Joint Statement? 3)Despite host who has the sovereign right to deny foreigner to meet actors in its soil others than the federal govt and advising you a day before the talk and giving you ample time to decide why did you not payed heed to it? 4) Why you did not invited J&K speaker and violated Articles 10(2)(e) and 11(4)(d) of CPA Constitution by not inviting a member of CPA? 5)Why have you not taken enough Haqqanis and Afgan Taliban forcing US to not certify you?. 6)Why you host Afgan Talibal leaders in your soil angering Afganistan?

Awais Aug 22, 2015 11:21pm

Good decision by Pakistan, had Kashmir been left out it would never have been on the agenda again.

whatapp Aug 22, 2015 11:22pm

(To the intelligent Pakistanis here, and those who are serious about peace, please read on)- There are NO pre conditions, just a request to stick to the agenda that was agreed to. This seem to escape the Pakistani govt and military unfortunately.

What does the agreed to agenda say... the agenda says that there are 8 different platforms( from terror, CBM's, people to people, trade, kashmir etc etc as agreed to for the longest, plus again at ULFA) .

You may ask - WHY NSA meetings was agreed to be 1st on the agenda, followed by DGO meetings at a second date, followed by the rest of 8 agreed to topics on other dates?

  • Because India has always said terror and ' other' talks can't go hand in hand. India wants a simple path. "Please let us stop terrorism and border crisis, thereafter it open house to discuss everything else". Do you think that is unacceptable?

If pakistan is serious about peace, then the way to it is simple. get the terrorism solved and stopped ...

manoj Aug 22, 2015 11:22pm

We should join hands where it helps both the countries. It is always better to discuss issues that help both the countries.

Realist Aug 22, 2015 11:23pm

Betryal of common mans aspiration once more. The talks should have happened.

Joe Aug 22, 2015 11:25pm

@zak If that is the case why India will invite for talks... UFA meet kasmir issue was not mentioned.. its only on terrorist issues... why Nawaz accepted for that meet at that time... also why changing words every time...

Raja Hindustani Aug 22, 2015 11:25pm

@zak : bro, international community is not going to resolve kashmir issue. Neither any other country can interfere in Kashmir issue as per Shimla agreement. You have already tried raising 'k' issue in all international forum many times in last 68 yrs.

S.R. Aug 22, 2015 11:25pm

Who but only Pakistan gives recognition to Hurriyat. Are they elected by the people? No. Then why should India give any importance to them and be willing to discuss their views. Let Pakistan stick to agreements where Ufa is meant to talk only terrorism between the NSAs and discuss Kashmir in Composite Dialogue. If Pakistan cannot do that then it is just playing along for the show with the intention of never holding serious talks with India.

Ballk Aug 22, 2015 11:27pm

@zak Answer simple Question ---Why not meet than elected CM of kashmir , a legitimate then Hurriyat whom people of Kashmir rejected.

manoj Aug 22, 2015 11:33pm

We have different ministries to deal with different departments. Likewise we can have talks between different secretaries/chiefs of both countries 1. Finance secretaries 2. NSAs 3. Culture secretaries 4. Tourism secretaries 5. Border forces chiefs

If we move forward in one sector, automatically relations move forward in other sectors. Take for example 1. India China relatoins 2. China Taiwan relations 3. China Japan relations

Relations between above countries are more or less peaceful if not warm.

m singh Aug 22, 2015 11:37pm

The show goes on....

Harisingh Aug 22, 2015 11:39pm


My friend India is always willing to talk and settle within a reasonable framework. We just settled our border disputes with Bangladesh.

India has no designs on Pakistani territory and we only want to live in peace.

manoj Aug 22, 2015 11:40pm

"If the only purpose of NSA level talks is to discuss terrorism, then instead of improving the prospects for peace it will only intensify the blame game and further vitiate the atmosphere," he said.

One reason why it doesn't improve peace? Are you sure that it doesn't help even before the actual talks.

Shaukat Ali Khan Aug 22, 2015 11:50pm

After a long time the government has provided a chance to me to feel as a proud Pakistani.

Keenobserver Aug 22, 2015 11:50pm

@zahir you really think that talks with such pre conditions BY INDIA will bear any fruit?

Shaukat Ali Khan Aug 22, 2015 11:51pm


Resolve Kashmir issue and there will be no trouble left.

Keenobserver Aug 22, 2015 11:53pm

@manoj you can't solve the problem, if you don't address the root of it. If you feel India had earned certain rights than you are not having discussion, you are dictating them. Why than meet just do it.

sana-1 Aug 22, 2015 11:55pm

@sid If hurriyat has less them 1% following in kashmir then why indian govt is afraid of them? let them meet our NSA, let them do whatever they want, why putting them behind the bars again and again for no reason?

Gurpreet Singh Sabharwal (USA) Aug 22, 2015 11:56pm

The jobs of the NSAs (National Security Advisers) is to discuss terrorism as that is the biggest internal threat facing both countries. To discuss Kashmir, is the job of the Foreign office. So it does not make any sense for Pakistani govt to expect talks on Kashmir in the NSA meeting when the issue does not even fall under the review of that department. The cancellation of NSA talks may earn the Nawaz Sharif govt some brownie points at home but internationally they come out looking immature & petulant.

Keenobserver Aug 22, 2015 11:57pm

@Atul and India should have not pre conditioned it. Very suspect for a peace talk.

Rehana Aug 22, 2015 11:58pm

Had the Kashmir issue not been there, terrorism in Pakistan would not exist. It assists religious extremists not solving this problem.

Jaago Aug 22, 2015 11:58pm

Same old story, same old song and dance. It's best for both countries to step back, and focus on their own internal issues, which are numerous in both cases. A deferent approach needs to be taken. Since we can't wish away our neighbors, ignoring the other party won't work. My solution is into put Kashmir on back burner for now, focus on trade and ppl2ppl contact by creating special economic zones along the border. As for terrorism, both nations are affected by it. So deal with that unilaterally to best of individual ability.

sri Aug 23, 2015 12:00am

@zak wt international focus..?don't u see how common wealth countries pressurised u to call J&K one buys ur stand..

Ramesh Sharma Aug 23, 2015 12:05am

@ismail In that case your Prime minister should not have agreed at Ufa meeting. He should have read the text carefully before issuing joint statement. If the home work would have been done then the military would not been able to add conditions to torpedo the NSA talks. May be Pak government wants peace with India but military wants otherwise and unfortunately military calls the shots and prevail over the democratically elected government. Until that changes nothing is gonna work between our two countries and violence, allegations and counter allegations will go on.

Abdullah Masood Aug 23, 2015 12:10am

Both India and Pakistan, try to twist Ufa agreement in their favor. Both are egoistic and wrong. Being a Pakistani; I believe at this moment; terrorism should be Pakistan's prime agenda before Kashmir. As far as India is concerned; Hurriyat is not a third party; how can you decide future of Kashmir without consulting people of Kashmir? Also there is no representative other than Hurriyat. Sushma Swaraj should know that shimla agreement is not valid for Kashmir. India and Pakistan are no one to decide future of Kashmir; it should be people Kashmir to decide their fate. Their consultation is very much necessary; when talking about them. Pakistan should and must meet Kashmiri representative, before talking about Kashmir with India.

Vikram Aug 23, 2015 12:17am

It's really sad that the bilateral talks have been called off. But please understand that terror and peace can't go together. There needs to be an atmosphere conducive to peace talks, else it defeats the whole point and questions the authenticity of bilateral discussion itself.

santosh Aug 23, 2015 12:21am

If it is case Pakistan want to talk about Kashmir first rest issue in last, India want first talk about terrorism rest issue in last. As a Dawn reader from last one years, many times I read Pakistan is biggest victim of terrorism. Big victim means big problem still don't want to talk about terrorism.

stranger Aug 23, 2015 12:21am

@joe Problem is the attitude of India. If our Prime Minister does not mention Kashmir in Ufa, India quotes it to mean there is no Kashmir issue.

Sanyukta Aug 23, 2015 12:21am

Max Mueller, German scholar: If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India.

ALI S Aug 23, 2015 12:22am

Just goes to show how some entities in both nations dont want to have a chance at peace.

the common citizens of both countries deserve better, nearly 7 decades of hostilities and mistrust need to end and sooner or later someone will have to take a leap of faith and let go of the excess baggage.

The only way forward is together

Shame on the political leadership of both countries.

stranger Aug 23, 2015 12:24am

@Rational Mind I am pre democracy because it is the only viable option for Pakistan. Without democracy, the country may not survive. But if democracy means end of our 69 year stand on Kashmir, then I hope and pray for no democracy ever again in Pakistan.

Truth Aug 23, 2015 12:26am


If you have time, Kindly do let us know, What was ufa agenda for NSA meeting and what is Shimla agreement?

Atam Vetta Aug 23, 2015 12:26am

There is a danger that financially weak Pakistan will isolate herself. There are 4 key players in the Indo-Pak game. (1) Iran; India is in Iran’s pocket and she will not let India go. (2) China; above everything else Xi wants India to be on his side. Indo-Japan friendship is his problem and he will give Modi every incentive to weaken it. Remember when during his India visit a PLA General created a border problem, he rebuked the General publicly. He has Modi with him in the BRICS bank & AIIB. (3)KSA & Arabs; Indo-UAE joint statement at the Modi visit involved $B, including investment in defence “Make in India” projects shows that they are with Modi. (4) USA: Obama needs Modi badly for his Iran ‘legacy’. He praised India for her support of Iran sanctions. Can anyone really believe that South Asians will not make a buck by devious means? The real reason is that he wants the US Indian lobby to support him in the Congress vote. Who will support Pakistan’s crusade on Kashmir?

sajjad Aug 23, 2015 12:30am

finally pakistan is showing spine and showing international community injustices bigger countries have been doing to serve their own agenda. With USA full heartedly supporting India now it is in pakistan interest to finally move away from USA. Great decision

AW Aug 23, 2015 12:31am

Talks called off is clearly the fault of the Pakistan government. I can say this as a Pakistani with confidence. NSA meeting should have dealt with Security issues alone. By unilaterally adding Kashmir on the Agenda, the Pakistan government wanted to kill the meeting and it accomplished it. Not a good move by any means

Salman Aug 23, 2015 12:32am

Talks without Kashmir and Siachin will be of no use as these are the core issues that ultimately result in hostilities b/w Pak and india.

Robinson Aug 23, 2015 12:34am

Mr. Aziz should not have deviated from the agenda, which Terrorism. Ah.... but does the civilian government have any voice? It has to follow the instruction given by the men in uniform. Until true democracy replaces the current setup, nothing is going to change.

zaheer-usa Aug 23, 2015 12:39am

More time Pakistan wastes, more time it gives India to become stronger. Act now and accept what's being offered or the deal may not be available anymore. They call something like this as "stop-loss" in stock market.

Waheednoor Aug 23, 2015 12:44am

Ah, well. Another opportunity lost. Nothing gained, nothing lost. We have won the war of semantics if nothing else. Bravo!

zafar Iqbal Aug 23, 2015 12:46am

Tension along the line loc will serve the interest of Pakistan as the Americans don't like tension between two nuclear powers. This will force American and Europeans to get involved. India just made a bad decision.

Altaf Hussain, Mumbai Aug 23, 2015 12:46am

What surprises me is the lack of comprehension in Pakistan about the role of NSA. Mr. Doval, the NSA to PM Modi, is only in the loop when it comes to internal security in general and counter-terrorism inparticular. Ms. Swaraj is the person in-charge of Kashmir and Foreign Policy in general. The DG of BSF is in-charge of border control. How on earth does Pakistan expect Mr. Doval to discuss all issues under the sun ?

iztraab Aug 23, 2015 12:47am

God job Pakistan. Talks can not be held with india on one sided agenda.

M. Siddique Aug 23, 2015 12:47am

India needs to grow up and face the reality that Kashmir is a DISPUTED territory. India can beat around the bushes but at the end of the Kashmiris have to decide their own fate. Do it now or keep it hanging over South Asia for sometime to come.

Waheednoor Aug 23, 2015 12:53am

I don't know guys, but I find something extremely strange. The statement issued by India came from their Foreign Minister in person. Our statements so far have come from 86 year old diplomat going under the designation of NSA and a lowly official (spokesperson) from the foreign office. Where is PM/FM? Why is he not issuing statements? If he can not then he should appoint someone of stature as foreign minister. Diplomacy calls for reciprocity. An FM statement from India can not be countered by anyone less than an FM from Pakistan. That is my two cents.

rashidkashmiri Aug 23, 2015 12:53am

the PM OKs the joint statement at UFA and it is discarded by the actual agencies ruling the country. Sham of a democracy.

Bharat Aug 23, 2015 01:01am

@zak what has NSA got to do with Kashmir ?? he has no right to talk about Kashmir other than pep talk.

KM Aug 23, 2015 01:02am

@zak International agenda? is that so? How? Were we not forced to cancel this speakers' conference to be held in Pakistan, since all countries insisted that Pakistan invite speaker of J& K assembly. Bro, we have fallen flat on our face.

Waheednoor Aug 23, 2015 01:20am

@zak How did we do that, Sherlock? By not talking? Tactical brilliance, strategic stupidity.

mazhar Aug 23, 2015 01:21am

Seeing the behaviour of Indians of last sometime it is quite prudent for Pakistan to call of the talks

Kalyan Aug 23, 2015 01:30am

I think both Govts and people are talking past each other. I can only speak for India, not Pakistan, so someone from Pakistan could put their perspective for the below India is a very matured Democracy, with segregated powers across different state and central machinery . NSA has a very specific role, their powers and scope is limited as well. Irrespective of which Govt comes to power in Central, the Policy framework and guidelines under which these machinery operate by and large remain same.

Coming to the point, In Ufa both Prime Ministers signed a understanding for a series of specific meetings, with a rough Agenda. Once a PM signs a paper, it's the onus of the rest of the Govt to make that happen within the framework. The framework involved meetings involving only NSA, DGO and DMOS ,in that order. Now, even with 2/3rd Majority in parliament, it would be a huge political risk for 1 year old Modi Govt to work outside the framework. Defaulting a PM signed document is insulting PMO

El Cid Aug 23, 2015 01:41am

@zahir:"Are all of Pakistan's problem connected with Kashmir ? "

No sir. Kashmir is not a problem. Kashmir is a part of Pakistan, indistinguishable, inseparable. Pakistan and Kashmir are one.

Pakistan's existential problem is India. Indian belligerence and aggression is Pakistan's only problem.

Rajesh Aug 23, 2015 01:41am

India is happy with the status quo. It's Pakistan that wants to negotiate and has handed India the advantage by creating obstacles in its path to any negotiations. Now things won't move forward without Pakistan loosing face by backing down from its rigid stance.

imran ghori Aug 23, 2015 01:47am

Very good decision of pak govt,,, Indian pre conditions,, and dictations not acceptable,,, kashmir must be on front paper of peace talks,, remaing issues automatically solved

Azhar Aug 23, 2015 01:49am

@abhijit , truth!!!

Rudraiah Rajasekhar Aug 23, 2015 01:52am

@mani You are illogical, talk can happen only if there is a common ground and there is no way a talk can proceed if there is a total stand off as it happened between India and Pakistan.

Azhar Aug 23, 2015 01:54am

@manoj , i wrote several years ago, if your neighborhood engulfed in fire, don't expect cold breeze. Kashmir is a vital issue, and it is in the intrest of both countries to have a solution of it.

WiseMan Aug 23, 2015 01:58am

Do we still need a proof who runs pakistan? Anyway all pakistani people you are electing govt for nothing real power lies somewhere else. All the best for your future and your kids future.

Saeed Aug 23, 2015 02:13am

@zak No one cares about Kashmir issue. Don't believe me? Wait and watch....

akram Aug 23, 2015 02:13am


If hurriyat has no support in Kashmir, then why the 700, 000 indian troops in kashmir?

Moreover if india has popular support, then why not end the debate by having a referendum? Why has india spent 68 years trying to stop it?

gr Aug 23, 2015 02:13am

Not having talks, hurts Pakistan more than india. But it is clear that their pride comes before anything for Pakistan. I don't think India should waste their time especially when the pak govt has little influence on the foreign policy.

akram Aug 23, 2015 02:15am

@Raja Hindustani

Status quo means no Indian access to central Asia, and no gas pipelines. So its not as simple as you think.

Rational Aug 23, 2015 02:31am

Way big loss to Pakistan than India.

Ibrahim USA Aug 23, 2015 02:34am

Wondering - How does Kashmir a political issue, fits into talks between National Security Agency? Unless it's part of a larger plan to derail the talks.

Lakhkar Khan Aug 23, 2015 02:35am


A better question, why is India running away from facing the truth about Kashmir since 1947?

Lakhkar Khan Aug 23, 2015 02:38am


You said "The main problem the two countries are facing is terrorism."

You can call it whatever you prefer. Some would call them Kashmiris fighting for freedom. What is wrong with discussing Kashmir?

NY Aug 23, 2015 02:39am

Indian Foreign Minister said"Keeping in mind the spirit of the Simla Agreement, don't make Hurriyat a third party to the talks, and keeping the spirit of Ufa, don't expand the subject of talks beyond terrorism,"

raj Aug 23, 2015 02:44am

First of all including Pakistan in Kashmir issue itself not correct. The reasons are 1. Pakistan doesn't have any role in kashmir, otherwise they would have got the kashmir during the partition itself 2. Secondly, world knows that pakistan is not a democratic country. Though people elects the leaders, they don't have any power. Only army decides. 3. All the muslim countries are only one problem. Multiple power centers co-exist in the name of religion, army and democracy 4. whom to trust in pakistan by kashmiris? They also not eagar to join with pakisan because India is better for them. They also know that if they come out of India, immediately pakistan and china occupy kashmir which is more danger for the future of kashmiris.

Whats in the name Aug 23, 2015 02:44am

in response to Sawaraj's conference, the Foreign Office says:

“While the Indian Minister accepts that, to ensure durable peace between the two countries, there is a need to discuss all outstanding issues through a sustained dialogue process, started in 1998 as Composite Dialogue and renamed as Resumed Dialogue in 2011, she then unilaterally restricts the agenda to only two items: creating an atmosphere free from terrorism and tranquility on the LoC.”

Mr FO has twisted what Sushma Swaraj had said. She said very categorically that not every discussion with pakistan is a composite dialog with its eight limbs. So what the FO said only exposes him sadly.

Chirag Patel Aug 23, 2015 02:45am

@zak Pakistan has not done that.....we all had a chance to sit on the table and work things out.

Outside of India I have a lot of Indians and Pakistanis sitting and talking and its once they are talking, they might just like each other and try to work things out....there is always a solution

Jo Aug 23, 2015 02:48am

@zahir excellent Zahir. Couldn't have summed it better. Thank you.

Barely Pakistani Aug 23, 2015 02:48am

@zahir Negotiating 101; Never give up your trump card to retain maximum negotiating leverage. India knows it, and Pakistan knows it. This leads me to believe that Indians were never really serious about these talks to begin with.

INDIAN LOVE Aug 23, 2015 02:52am

Internationally India shows to the world that it wants talk with every neighboring countries according to mutual PMs agreements ahead of UN visit. Now UN & US can't blame India for not having any type of dialogue to built mutual trust among them. In other words Pakistan can't cry to UN & US over India .Great diplomacy & foreign policy of India . India is stick with shimala agreement & Lahore declaration on Kashmir issues and Pakistan must move forward accordingly. Please respect your PM agreement sign bilaterally whether in UFA or in Lahore & shimala because these agreement sign and discussed without any pressure.

Raza Aug 23, 2015 03:03am

@zahir To built trust and tranquility India should have proposed a later date or parallel meeting to discuss both terror and Kashmir issues. At the moment looks like none of the countries are ready to talk.

Ali (Proud Indian) Aug 23, 2015 03:09am

@Daood Absolutely right - kudos to the Indian Government!!!

ZohaibK Aug 23, 2015 03:11am

Only Jinnah could have solved this issue. Nawaz Zardari doesnt know anything except their personal business and you are expecting him to solve Kashmiri Issue what a joke.

Great giant Aug 23, 2015 03:12am

It's one all for Pak and Ind now on cancellation of talks. Fair game and we start again.

Raj Patel Aug 23, 2015 03:30am

NSA means National Security Agency. By it's name one can say that they can discuss only security related issue and NSA of both countries don't have mandate to discuss all other composite matters. Ajit Doval can't discuss Sir Creek or Water Treaty. Same way Aziz can't discuss Kashmir issue. For that they have to send their Foreign Minister totalk with Susmaji. This is the protocol in the world.

KN Aug 23, 2015 03:45am

Pakistan has far more to gain by having meaningful peace talks. India is very happy with the status quo situation. India also continues to do very well economically. It is Pakistan that suffers more from terrorist violence and also so dependent on donors who are pushing for the peace talks. India will continue to do very well irrespective of whether these talks happen are not.

amit Aug 23, 2015 03:45am

@ismail Pakistan claims they proofs for India's involvement in Balochistan and India has proof that Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism against India. Then why not to meet and work out details that no country interfere in each other's internal matter. The agenda of the meeting had been agreed upon by two PMs then why Pakistan is backtracking ensuring that the talks fails by bringing up issues not part of the agenda?

Manu Sharma USA Aug 23, 2015 03:58am

@zahir You are right. I can't agree more.

pk Aug 23, 2015 04:02am


You are dreaming sir. Pakistan has tried this for last 50 years. And the you know the results. Keep doing and you will go no where.

KN Aug 23, 2015 04:09am

@zak International focus LoL...No one cares

Shaukat Ali Khan Aug 23, 2015 04:39am


It is always recommended to cure disease instead of symptoms for permanent relief. So, it is essential to discuss the core issue, Sir.

Aman Hyder Aug 23, 2015 04:42am

This meeting should include all topics which will improve Pak India relationship. Why just terrorism. Why should Pak officials talk abt things which India brings to the table. Why doesn't India want to talk about kashmir? Kashmir has been the root cause for the wars between us. The world is moving forward and we still stuck in 1947.

Kevin Aug 23, 2015 05:02am

In my opinion, the talks were just concluded between India and Pakistan. Only difference was the venue was not indoor. Congratualtions to both Pakistan and India for talking so loud so that the people now know that they have only the politicians to blame in both nations.

Anand Aug 23, 2015 05:04am

@zahir so nicely put...really you nailed it...

Akhtar Aug 23, 2015 05:43am

@joe Why not discuss all issues. It is like a child saying that he/she will stick to a one point ag DNA, and ignore everything else.

NILADRI Aug 23, 2015 05:45am

Sushma Swaraj, Indian foreign minister cleared that these are not preconditions what Mr. Aziz is saying since as per Simla Agreement the outstanding issued should be discussed between two countries only, there shouldn't be any third party involved.

Secondly as per Ufa Statements signed by two democratically elected Prime Ministers, this NSA level talks should be held on the subject of Terrorism.

Harjinder Singh Aug 23, 2015 05:47am

Whatever both Pakistan and India may say it is most unfortunate for the people of India as well as Pakistan. An opportunity for peace have been missed by the hollow logic of both countries. Really very vey sad ....

Akhtar Aug 23, 2015 05:53am

@mani Well said.

Bilal awan Aug 23, 2015 06:22am

I m speechless on comments; who is suffering more from terrorism... In last 10 years for sure its Pakistan

Then big brother should show some magnanimity & really proof worth of its size & big heart and should welcome unconditional talks.

One of the reasons of Terrorism is unresolved Kashmir dispute & probably as per UN resolution that's to be decided by People of Kashmir and not by Indo Pak Governments

khanm Aug 23, 2015 06:25am

@sid. Not true.

Manni Aug 23, 2015 06:25am

Pak - Please respect your PM. Talk about what he agreed to talk. Other things can surely be discussed once mandated by both PM.

Observer123 India Aug 23, 2015 06:27am

What is being described by Pakistani govt. as "preconditions" is really called "agenda for the meeting" in every other part of the world. The agreed agenda is national security and terrorism, topics that affect both India and Pakistan, and on which national security advisers have the ability and should have the willingness to discuss. Dragging other topics that these officials advisers have no right to reach any agreements on is pure waste of time , and reiterating this is sheer obstinacy.

tanveer ashraf Aug 23, 2015 06:30am

when there is talks then all the hot issues should be discussed.why not Kashmir? Pakistan is not going to conduct war but just talks why india is so afraid to talk on the issue of kashmir it shows that india is weak in her stand on kashmir.

Rahul Aug 23, 2015 06:42am

What is it for people to understand this simple issue. India is saying that Kashmir needs to be discussed and will be discussed, but the NSA talks were never about Kashmir. How where'd it will be if tomorrow India asks Kashmir to be discussed at DGMO level talks, citing the fact that the preamble of UFA mentions all outstanding issues? God bless

Bad shah Khan Aug 23, 2015 06:51am

Kashmir has an elected govt and all global democracies understand what that means, the day hurriya wins an election and can prove their popularity things may be different........till then Pakistan is backing the wrong horse!

Indian Aug 23, 2015 07:02am

@zak , NSA level talks should focus on resolving security issues. Kashmir cannot be part of the agenda

Sanju Aug 23, 2015 07:04am

Kashmir issue will automatically get resolved once there is no military in Kashmir and Military will go out only once there is no terrorism. Let us discuss and resolve terrorism first.

Premsan Aug 23, 2015 07:06am

@zak Dear Zak bhai, the international community is least bothered about Indo Pak talks, leave aside Kashmir which has no takers and never mentioned ever in any multilateral meets or UN. The "on-off-on-of" has become joke and world has no time for this.

prakash Aug 23, 2015 07:08am

Kashmir issue is favourite time pass activity for the establishment of both side.Reality is we should accpet LOC as border it will save lots of money which can be used for the upliftment of citizens on both side who are living in pathetic conditions.May god instill good sense

NS Aug 23, 2015 07:17am

India wants to discuss what is important to her and Pakistsn wants to discuss what is important to her. So let's talk, if you are serious...what's the problem? It's not like they will solve all the problems in one discussion/overnight.

indian muslum Aug 23, 2015 07:20am

@zak it seems your international word means india, pakistan and china.

Premsan Aug 23, 2015 07:23am

India say create conducive environment to discuss more complex issues like Kashmir,saichen etc., by addressing terrorism and peace at LOC.Pakistan says,resolve Kashmir all other issues like terrorism gets sorted out automatically or slowly,alongside they can be addressed.Even a kid can infer from these positions, who is not keen for peace and more interested to grab land.

Chauhan Aug 23, 2015 07:29am

Can we not solve terrorism issue in first stage and leave the kashmir for second stage?

Ashok Saigal Aug 23, 2015 07:31am

@ismail The root cause may not be eliminated at the first stage, but what is wrong in trimming the thorns till that can be done? After the thorns are removed, it may not even be necessary to remove the root! In other words if there is peace and trust then there can be free movement of people and goods, and borders become irrelevant!

Ashok Saigal Aug 23, 2015 07:36am

@zak Yes, Pakistan pulling out of the talks has brought Kashmir into focus pf the world as an issue that Pakistan considers so important to talk about that it is willing to do nothing about terrorism, except perhaps patronize and support it? Sorry, that is a victory not worth the price.

Shahid usa Aug 23, 2015 07:46am

@abhijit Facing truth is not kneel down Pakistan has made a very wise decision To reject India's intimidating attitude and conditions don't ever think again

Waheednoor Aug 23, 2015 07:51am

I am confused. We agreed to something at UFA. Then we said the expression 'other' includes everything under the sun which means something dear to our hearts, Kashmir. But not so fast, the Indians say. We said 'terrorism and other subjects' and by the doctrine of Ejusdem Generis the word 'other' should only refer to terrorism and every facet of it. Semantics? You betcha! Now the talks collapsed. As usual our countries point fingers at each other. Nothing happens.

Waheednoor Aug 23, 2015 07:53am

@zak How so? By not talking? Great! Keep quiet and the Kashmir issue will always be in limelight according to you. Jaw, jaw is always better than war, war, so said a white man.

Sherdil Aug 23, 2015 08:04am

Communication is key to problem solving. We have an obligation to bring peace and prosperity to coming generations. Please encourage talks on all contentious issues. Solve problems today so that we can all live in peace tomorrow.

ashutosh Aug 23, 2015 08:16am

You could have met your beloved ones after the talks.

UKumar Aug 23, 2015 08:34am

Where is precondition from India? The Ulfa agreement suggested discussion on terrorism at different levels. Insisting on the basis of these meetings is not a adding precondition.

atis Aug 23, 2015 08:57am

Kahmir issue may again divide the unfortunate Pakistan like in 1971

The UN resolution Aug 23, 2015 10:50pm

@Abdullah Masood India never stops Pakistani leaders to meet huriyat leaders in Pakistan but on Indian soil it will not give permission. Will you allow Indian NSA to meet baluchi leaders in Pakistan?

Zak Aug 25, 2015 02:18am

@Ballk those puppets elected under a foreign occupation army of 750,000 Indian soldiers,are not elected representatives but selected representatives. Why do you think India runs away from UN plebiscite in kashmir, because it knows, free and fair voting and unbiased UN monitors , will bring a result India cannot handle, the precursor of which was the recent flag waving in Sri Nagar.

Zak Aug 25, 2015 02:21am

@Jumla sorry it is kashmir centric, nothing else to talk about.

NASAH (USA) Aug 25, 2015 07:51am

"Willing to visit New Delhi without preconditions, says Aziz -- except my preconditions