Kashmir's chief minister calls waving of Pakistani flag 'unacceptable'
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SRINAGAR: The chief minister of Indian-held Kashmir (IHK), Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, termed the waving of Pakistani flag at a Hurriyat rally as 'unacceptable', saying "it was illegal and could not be tolerated", according to reports by Indian media.
Masarat Alam, a likely successor to Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani, organised a rally in the restive summer capital of Indian-held Kashmir. The rally, which was attended by thousands, was held as a show of strength to welcome Geelani on his return from New Delhi.
However, hours after the rally, the chief minister received a call from Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh who demanded 'immediate and strict action' against the Hurriyat leader's demonstration. He also said that there could be no compromise on national security, as politics could not impinge on national security.
Read more: Kashmiri leader waves Pakistani flag at rally in Srinagar
A first information report had been filed against those involved in the incident, but there have been no arrests made as yet.
Wahid Rehman Parra, youth president and spokesperson of Mufti Sayeed's People's Democratic Party has said that 'separatists' cannot be denied in the political space any longer.
"Separatism and Pakistan constituency in Kashmir is a reality and we have to deal with it. We can't deny democratic space to these people. It is an ideological battle now. We have to make them mainstream by giving them democratic space,"
India reacted furiously following the show of support for Pakistan at the Srinagar rally.
National Spokesperson Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) GVL Narasimha Rao said the act was completely unacceptable. “We expect the state government of Jammu and Kashmir, headed by Mufti Sayeed, to take cognisance of the matter,” Rao added.
Masarat Alam was released from prison after four years on March 7 this year. The move drew a negative response from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi who said “I am angered and condemn the release, just like other lawmakers."
Modi's Hindu nationalist BJP wants to bring the contested region into the Indian mainstream, while its regional partner, the PDP, supports self rule.
Read more: Release of Kashmiri separatist leader creates hurdles for Modi
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Apr 16, 2015 07:58pm
kashmir is , was and will remain integral part of india...it's better u people look after ur own country as dere are more issues inside den outside.....
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Apr 16, 2015 08:06pm
Kashmirs proved that they are unhappy with India. Pakistan has supported and will support them forever.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:10pm
Kashmiris have spoken. They have been denied their right of self determination by Britain Mount Batain and now by Indian politicians.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:27pm
Has anyone noticed, the Pakistan flag the Kashmiris were waving had the moon and the star the other way. One was waving the flag with white on the top, and the bottom green.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:29pm
@Irfan Umrani Only few of them are unhappy, does not mean all Kashmiris are unhappy with India, otherwise why would 72% Kashmiris vote in election.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:29pm
Glad to see that Kashmiri brothers showing strength of power.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:31pm
It is acceptable because Kashmiris love Pakistan and support us in all spheres of life. They've stood by us and we'll always stand by them. Nothing indians can do about it other than complain on comments sections.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:32pm
Indian occupied chief minister Jee... why you are against the freedom of expression. They are just waving flags. If you want you can wave one too.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:33pm
To be a separatist you have to be a part of something. Kashmir has never been a part of india, never was a part of india and never will be a part of india. They are simply freedom fighters ardently opposed to indian occupation and genocide, which has cost the lives of 92,000 Kashmiris since 1989 alone.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:34pm
Though Pakistan will always remain sympathetic and give support to Kashmir cause but our Kashmiri brethren should come to terms that their future lies with India.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:40pm
Actually, Even Pakistan was integral part of India till British Left. Basically kashmiris want to be pak, which is muslim majority, which is fair. Totally understandable. But they cant take kashmir with them.
Kashmir original people are Pundits. Moghuls came and acquired half of northen india including pakistan.
Let them wave the green flag after they reach pak :)
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Apr 16, 2015 08:52pm
Truth is out there.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:52pm
@Irfan Umrani You are right, but, few Kashmiris waved Pakistani Flag, while about 80% Kashmiris participated in elections held under Indian Constitutions.
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Apr 16, 2015 08:56pm
Why cant freedom of expression be seen in a democratic world why waving flag is bad in indian democracy.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:02pm
@Irfan.....you said it right! You will have to support them forever coz it's a part of India and we never part with our land and people!
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Apr 16, 2015 09:08pm
Given an opportunity. most pakistanis (not only the minorities or the shias or the ahmadias), would want to come back to India and will wave Indian flags.The key factor is permitting them.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:10pm
@sudhanshu bro u are right but why not to give them oppertunity under a neutral umpire to vote.if 80%of them will vote for india the matter will be solved once for all.who maney lakhs more will we kill.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:13pm
Gandhi said" you can disagree with me so long as you are not disagreeable'. If Alam genuinely desires separation for Kashmir and supports a larger Kashmir within Pakistan, he must be allowed to feel and say so. After all, Gandhi showed how powerful dissent can be. If India is sure of its cause, such dissent will not dilute this cause
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Apr 16, 2015 09:15pm
@Irfan UmraniProvide an agenda,provide political and financial support,you will find afew supporters.These people come to the streets on account of inept administration.Let this Pakistani support be tried in Uigher province in China and these people would have been mowed down without anybody knowing it.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:18pm
@Sudhanshu Swami Remove Indian military harassment and then see how many more Pakistani flags would fly. In fact that thousand of people marched in presence of Pakistani flags is clear enough message.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:25pm
This is the real sentiment.Election and selection is an administrative issue.It can't be substitute to plebiscite.Once Kashmiris are given a choice they will opt for natural alliance with Pakistan as all natural routes and cultural ties are with that side.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:26pm
This is not only Indian held Kashmir where Pakistani flag is raised, there is also a small town in Kerala which is called little Pakistan. The town is almost 100pc Muslim population and every Muslim family is bound to sell their property to Muslims only.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:26pm
@Irfan Umrani pakistan can't interfere in india's internal issues...!! even they have many problems including saudi's , iran's , power shortage, balochistan problem...!!!
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Apr 16, 2015 09:30pm
Yesterday most of Pakistani friends came with argument for Kashmir but latest is that now Musrat ali deny he wave Pakistani flag what is your take friends
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Apr 16, 2015 09:30pm
@Sudhanshu Swami
Well then there shouldnt be a problem holding a plebiscite in Kashmir (both sides) and have them decide their own fate.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:34pm
The more you force people and commit crimes against Kashmiris the more you lose their support. India physically has Kashmir but its people are not with it.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:34pm
Swami g. . . ... Kashmir is a disputed region and is a part of pakistan
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Apr 16, 2015 09:39pm
Nobody cares for these hoodlums....they are just a bunch of thugs trying to seek power backed by a handful of misguided individuals. If you are placing your bets on these miscreants, you are betting on the wrong horse.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:43pm
I say we compromised our foreign policy for these jigs for 50 yrs, time to cut the chord, lets see how far they get without waving the Pakistani Flag!
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Apr 16, 2015 09:43pm
@Irfan Umrani You are welcome to support them for ever.
Meanwhile India can continue focusing on expanding its economy :)
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Apr 16, 2015 09:45pm
Height of ignorance. Pakistan is ready to accept this flagging but not ready to accept the elections.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:45pm
Kashmir is an internationally recognised **disputed area**. How hard is it to understand? Kashmiris may express their sentiments as they wish.
Freedom for Kashmir!
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Apr 16, 2015 09:48pm
@Sudhanshu Swami And they voted in order to keep the BJP out of majority. The PDP is in power instead and they shun indian hegemony, opting for self-rule!
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Apr 16, 2015 09:53pm
@Sudhanshu Swami They repeated said that participating in these local elections is not acceptance of Indian rule. Do some research.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:56pm
Can you expect such rallies in Balochistan or Pakistan occupied Kashmir? A million dollar question to my Pakistani friends?
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Apr 16, 2015 09:59pm
@Sudhanshu Swami Do not burst their bubble. Let them have fun.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:01pm
Mufti Saeed calls the act of waving a Pakistani flag in the Srinagar rally illegal. Nothing could be funnier and more outrageous than this statement of the CM. BJP did actually find a pawn from among the Muslim Kashmiris to head the state government. There is in fact no dearth of Mir Jaffers and Qasims, who would be willing to sell their conscience for the sake of personal aggrandizement.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:02pm
@ALEEZAY
Similar to how Pakistan has given the right of self-determination to Balochistan?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:02pm
Dear dawn here in jammu people burnt pakistan flag. Y don't u shown it ? And there are bunch of peoples who raise pakistan flags. Kashmir have a population of millions if they want freedom denbthey would get it. Is there any news about ladakh which is also a part of j nd k . So stop dreaming pakistani brothers
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Apr 16, 2015 10:03pm
Fact is that Kashmiri's don't want Pakistan or India. They also realize that they are better off with India rather than joining with Pakistan which day by day is becoming a violent and intolerant country.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:03pm
By the way i'm frm jammu
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Apr 16, 2015 10:05pm
@Irfan Umrani
Kashmiri Muslims you mean and not all Kashmiris. There is a big difference you know.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:07pm
One flag was raised by one person ,I don't think he speaks for the entire state
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Apr 16, 2015 10:08pm
Why india is so frightened of Pakistani flag?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:08pm
I am not at all surprised!! There are seperatists in Kashmir valley who support either self rule or merger with pak but there are also kashmiris who supports India.Its much like Balochistan,there are some balochis who prefer independance from pak and there are also others who prefer to stay in pak.Its basic human nature!! PLEASE PUBLISH THIS DAWN!
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Apr 16, 2015 10:09pm
So this is how champion of democracy respects freedom of speach and action. Dual standards.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:09pm
If the same thing happens in Pakistan, will that be allowed?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:10pm
@umar
Well said
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Apr 16, 2015 10:10pm
Bah! This is humbug. Just by waving a flag they can't do anything under the veil of democracy. Kashmir is an Indian dominion and will forever be. Just let the things the way they are.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:15pm
Wow..A few hundred kashmiris showing pakistani flag means the whole kashmir supports you.
Kashmir belongs to India and will always be.All the deceits and wars brught u nothing.Keep dreaming.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:19pm
@Sudhanshu Swami participation in election doesn't mean they will accept the Indian hegemony and the presence of 7 lacs army men. It is for the immediate relief to them. Two are different things, election and freedom.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:22pm
@Sudhanshu Swami
Sir have u seen the film Haider by your veteran director Vishal Bhardawaj which won 5 National Awards..It is clearly visible Kashmiries are run under orders of Indian Army.They just need a siren and Kashmiries are forced to be in line.These lines can also be made in Elections also.Modi gave 2 visits in Kashmir and lost Mission 44 badly...Leader they chose spoke in favour of Pakistan and separatists in first speech.Can u give the detailed record of Ladakh,Jammu and Kashmir....Kashmir will be lowest....Ladakh and Jammu will have record votes.Problem is Kashmir
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Apr 16, 2015 10:23pm
All the Hurriet leaders have been put under house arrests and shall be put behind bars after the tomorrows rally. Pakistan is supporting these leaders who were rejected by the Kashmiris as 70% voted despite ban put by separatists and Hurriyet.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:25pm
There's a lot of hue and cry here in indian media about this incident but I think India Pak both need to come a conclusion of win-win situation. Like 5000 sq km valley be given to Pak and option for banihal and doda distt to migrate valley. Jammu and laddakh remain with India along with siachin and some Shia majority parts of skardu and baltistan. Both India Pak must win.it shouldn't be projected like disintegration.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:31pm
@Sudhanshu Swami if 80% are happy with indian constitution and want to live with india then why india shy's away from plebiscite as per UN resolution
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Apr 16, 2015 10:33pm
He is chief minister of Kashmir and is true Indian . such people take advantage to Indian democracy.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:34pm
@Irfan Umrani Just waving the flag by few misguided does not reflect the will of of everyone. Open your closed eyes and ears and listen to others as well. I am Kashmiri and I believe present Indian rule is much better than Pakistani rule of corrupt and military followers. If you are happy in Pakistan stay that way but do not tell us what to do. Very soon Hurriyat will be banned as terrorist organization. They have been playing with progress.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:35pm
@Sudhanshu Swami: In democratic process india's supporter should also organize rally in support of Indian rule, i am sure there is zero support in favor of India in kashmir, people comes out to vote because they dont have any other option for survival, if India is sure of his 80% support why they are not going to give them of right of self determination as per UN plebiscite, i know india is afraid of reality
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Apr 16, 2015 10:38pm
@iftikhar
Not sure why Pakistanis still talk about the plebiscite. A has changed since the 1940's . There have been many wars, different mutual agreemetns, and Pakistan has split into two nations. Why should India deal with West Pakistan and not with East Pakistan (Bangladesh) when it comes to Kashmir dispute and plebiscite demands? Pakistan has also given away Aksai Chin which is a part of Kashmir to China. Was this part of the UN mandate too?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:39pm
What kind of a liberal and secular country arrests people for waving a flag?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:42pm
@iftikhar India can occupy Sri Lankan, Bangladesh, Pakistan in a matter on few hours..Does it mean we should occupy them?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:43pm
@iftikhar Why no plebiscite? Because we don't need to hold one. Plebiscite is not going to happen. Shimla accord takes precedence over UN, and as part of surrender Pakistan had to concede to bilateral resolution.
Anyway, plebiscite - under original UN recommendation - can only happen when 2 conditions are met:
1. Pak fully withdraws from occupied Kashmir
2. Iron brother fully withdraws from Shaksgam valley
Since those conditions won't be met in our lifetimes, forget about plebiscite.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:45pm
@Irfan Umrani .. Kashmiri Sunnis are unhappy with India. Pakistan has supported and will support them forever.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:45pm
not having a plebiscite is because we want to remind Pakistan there surrender and how it was nullified after that.
if it was still valid world would have foced India to do that. meanwhile u continue to feed lies to your people
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Apr 16, 2015 10:49pm
@Fawad Get back territory given to China.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:51pm
We know about his position. As a representative of federation he can,t go against it in verbal mood. But in depth we know he is the man who released musarat Alam and thanks Pakistan as well after winning election.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:53pm
Unacceptable but democratic.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:55pm
@Irfan Umrani
Forever is a long, long time. Hope you support them better than your Palestinian friends.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:57pm
@Aleezay In election who is spoken.Pakistan first care itself.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:02pm
So whats the big deal. Many Indian Muslims will support Pakistan over India, be it cricket, hockey, any other match. Their hearts beat with Pakistan.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:04pm
@Iqbal
An American reporter asked boys at a madrassah on the Pakistani side if they were worried about an Indian atomic bomb hitting them. They did not know what an A-bomb was.
An Indian grandmother (on the Indian side of the valley) told the reporter, "Oh. Well. We had one of those land near the village last week." She thought an A -bomb was a mortar shell.
The people in Kashmir do not seem to have a grasp of reality. How do they negotiate the problem? They apparently have other issues. The information gap must be huge.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:06pm
@Kashif Jilani
Old Forage, Pennsylvania used to be the same way. They did not sell residential property to non Italians by city ordinance.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:07pm
@Irfan Umrani Balooch proved that they are unhappy with Pakistan. India has supported and will support them forever like what India did in East Pakistan to liberate Bangladesh.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:11pm
@Sudhanshu Swami
Every body knows, including those contesting elections, that Kashmiri's participated in election to deal with everyday life issues, not a solution of Kahmir issue.
If you point is true, than why half a million Indian forces are siting their with draconian powers, worse than British army in pre 1947 India.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:12pm
@nation lover
Kashmir is and was never Indian's internal issue.
you donot go to UNO for internal issues, and mke 20 or more promises on national and international forums to solves this.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:16pm
These things should not be taken seriously we have better things to do.
Our Modi ji is in Canada & they have agreed to supply uranium for next 5 yrs......
Modi is rocking every where......
Kashmir is part of India & wil remain so.....
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Apr 16, 2015 11:18pm
@Fawad
Is there any other way? Other than the two nations involved, people who live outside Kashmir owning property there would rather have Kashmir under army control.
Jean Rousseau defined the issue of freedom versus private property in France during the Age of Reason. Universally laws everywhere favor property rights over individual rights.
Even in the Peoples Republic of China.
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Apr 16, 2015 11:29pm
@umesh g , I am a shia and have fear of extremist here but I love my Sunni brothers and would never wave an Indian flag!!! stop creating division like the Brits...
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Apr 16, 2015 11:32pm
@GS@Y 5000 like to you bro!!
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Apr 16, 2015 11:33pm
@umesh g Only in you dreams
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Apr 16, 2015 11:37pm
@Kashif Jilani plz tell me details about that place
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Apr 16, 2015 11:46pm
@Sudhanshu Swami 80% is over rated. But that doesn't matter. It's like not eating the last dirty piece of bread when you have no food. Of course you will have no choice for to fill your stomach to survive. That's the same way Kashmiris had to vote to keep the most evil out of power. Let KASHMIRIS vote for Independent as this will make India a real Democracy instead of Hypocrisy!
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Apr 16, 2015 11:50pm
Let's resettle Kashmir pandits and Buddhist in Kashmir first then hold plebiscite..
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Apr 17, 2015 12:02am
Everybody knows who supports and funds elements like Masrat Alam and Geelani...They haven't even won a local body election yet...How can they claim that they represent the entire population..? Slogans with rhymes and dare may attract some youth but it isn't the voice of the entire state...Jammu and Kashmir in its entirety is and will be an integral part of India...
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Apr 17, 2015 12:04am
@iqbal It goes both ways. Free and just elections can be held only when there be
1) No terrorist killing innocent citizens.
2) No attacks on Police or soldiers who are doing their job.
3) No pressure or harassment of political workers or parties.
4) All Kashmiri pundits are allowed to live in their houses from were they were made to move out in 1980 's
5) The kashmiris from the other side of the border be allowed to participate in the elections.
6) Pakistani Army should move out of Pakistani held Kashmir and will and should not be allowed to participate in voting system.
7) Elections should be binding on all parties.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:23am
@Tanveer if the Indian military had harassed them then there will never be the opportunity for the people to march and wave Pak flags.If Kashmir is separated from India because of Muslim majority , then dont you think all muslims in India should move to Pakistan ? Since it was created for them ?
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Apr 17, 2015 12:29am
@Fawad the plebiscite needed to be held back in 1951. At that time Nehru proposed that the rule of kashmir will be decided by the inhabitants. That means since 565 princely states were opting democracy and ending kingdom rule, there will be democratic elections held in kashmir. This is called theright of self determination.but Pak did not vacate its troops from its side. Fearing people will demand a free kashmir. Now after starting cross border militancy in kashmir in 1989 and countermilitant activities by Indian army how can you think about fishing in troubled waters ?
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Apr 17, 2015 12:35am
@iftikhar the UN resolutions were passed under chapter 6 of UN charer and so only recommendatory role. Only chapter 7 resolutions are mandatorily enforceable. And Kashmir assembly headed by sheikh abdullah with naional conference party opted to join India in 1954. So that is full stop.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:37am
They are waving our flag because they are essentially Pakistanis under foreign occupation. We need to bring peace and stabity to the region and that will only happen once the Kashmir issue is resolved.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:39am
Everybody knows who supports and funds elements like Masrat Alam and Geelani...They haven't even won a local body election yet...How can they claim that they represent the entire population..? Slogans with rhymes and dare may attract some youth but it isn't the voice of the entire state...Jammu and Kashmir in its entirety is and will be an integral part of India...
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Apr 17, 2015 01:01am
@Tarun I guess, flag waving is by the people of Kashmir, while election is by Indian government. Only one way to find the truth.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:02am
@nation lover kashmir is not indian internal issue, it is international issue under UN resolution. We have to accept it.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:10am
@padmakar accepted, let's do it, the end result will be the same.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:11am
@San why that was and is Chinese territory, just like South Tibet now under illegal Indian occupation. Tsayul, Loyul and Monyul all belong to China.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:24am
Freedom of speach.Government of the people, by the people, for the people,shall not perish from the earth my Indian friends
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Apr 17, 2015 01:24am
@waseem The elections are held under Indian constitution. Participation means you accept India's jurisdiction. Your arguments is like 'I am going to school but not for education'. Nothing was contentious about these elections.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:28am
@iftikhar First read the resolutions and understand they are non-binding cannot be enforced. Secondly, Pakistan never fulfilled the pre condition of total withdrawal of all its forces from Kashmir.
Anyway, those resolutions are lock, stock and barrel. Having proxies in Kashmir doesn't mean it belongs to you.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:30am
@Sudhanshu Swami - 80% ghost voting.
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Apr 17, 2015 02:18am
@padmakar sure. re-settle the kashmiri pandits (not sure which budhists have fled) and we can hold the plebiscite asap!
btw 70% of jammu was muslim pre-partition. shall we return jammu to its original demographics and then we can hold a plebiscite in jammu as well!
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Apr 17, 2015 02:18am
@CHANDAN SINGH it is indian occupied kashmir and azad kashmir aak pakistani administered kashmir!
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Apr 17, 2015 02:31am
@padmakar
And before the peblicide can happen, Pakistan should vacate Pakistani occupied Kashmir and get the gifted Kashmir back from China. Pakistani had signed the agreement in the UN, why is Pakistan not honouring it's commitments?
BTW, UN resolutions are not relevant anymore. Also, after Shimla and Lahore agreements, this is pretty much bilateral issue and will have to be settled between India and Pakistan through negotiations.
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Apr 17, 2015 02:55am
@Sudhanshu Swami congress and muslim league also participated in elections during British rule. That doesn't means they were fully backing their perpetual rule.
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Apr 17, 2015 04:05am
@iqbal I agree with you, India government should hold binding plebiscite on Muslim presence on India land. Majority indians have felt cheated for over many generations . They have been consistently fighting for many centuries for this.
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Apr 17, 2015 04:54am
@Shah
that is absolutely incorrect and a malicious lie; if that were the case then why is anti-indian sentiment so strong and prevalent on both sids of the LoC? Why is August 15 declared a black day in history every year -especially in the restive Valley?
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Apr 17, 2015 04:54am
@padmakar Agreed. Do it what's stopping you!
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Apr 17, 2015 04:56am
@Sunny Sarvagya Never has, never will
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Apr 17, 2015 04:56am
@Irfan Umrani Few hundred people are not Kashmir. Everyone now for whom hurriyat works. it shows how much freedom they have in India. Unlike where a Kashmiri Baba Jan has been sent 20 year imprisonment just for raising his voice supporting the people displaced because of some dam in Gilgit baltistan.
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Apr 17, 2015 04:56am
@Indiann not according to your IP address
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Apr 17, 2015 05:00am
@Tanveer there was no army in Kashmir before 1989 and there was no Pakistani flag as well. it is some group who never had guts to participate in elections. because they know how much support they have.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:04am
@waseem you guys do whatever you want Kashmir is ours and will always stays ours.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:21am
Never has an Indian flag been unfurled in Pakistan's Kashmir. In fact, our Kashmir looks a lot less occupied than India's.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:24am
@Sudhanshu Swami
The turn out was not much higher than in 2009, and remember in 2010 the whole of the Valley rose up in protest against India (hundreds of thousands of marchers according to BBC). Meanwhile, Modi magi could only grab 2.5% of the entire Valley's vote, and that was almost entirely the vote of Pandits. Kashmiris participate in the Indian elections for local governance, and in the case of 2014, to keep out certain politicians (modi). Just as the catholics in northern ireland voted in british elections and demanded independence from Britain, so too can Kashmiris vote in Indian elections and still desire independence. After all, Kashmiris knew if they did not vote against Modi, that BJP would sweep Kashmir and ruin it all.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:25am
@Milind Dave Of course he will deny waving the flag if he is threatened with jail time! its called Pragmatism.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:26am
@Sunny Sarvagya
India only controls about 50% of Kashmir. And it can only maintain rule in the Valley by a massive security blanket. So clearly, India's hold is not quite so strong.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:29am
@Last Word
No seperatists organized a ban. Secondly, the high percentage of voters also takes the entire region of Jammu and Ladakh into account, who we know are not anti-India. Thirdly, the percent of voters in the Kashmir valley was not much higher than 2009, and the increase was part of the anti-Modi spirit. After 2009 elections, the Kashmiri took to the street in hundreds of thousands (according to BBC) to demand freedom. In a valley of 3 million people, a few hundred thousand people converging in Srinagar for a massive and illegal rally says much more than voting numbers.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:32am
@padmakar
Please do. At most, Pandits never amounted to 5% of the population anyway. The people of Kashmir would gladly accept your proposal - resettle Pandits who left, and then hold plebiscite. The reality is, most pandits themselves don't really care to move back to Kashmir. Only old Pandits still want to. Children born after 1990 have no memories of Kashmir, and think of Jammu and Delhi as home.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:43am
In a state with huge population, some 500-600 people attended this rally. If you are giving this much importance to this, then you should give more importance to 68% of electorate participation in State elections last year and to the fact that 30000 Kashmiri youth thronged to Indian Army Recruitment drive 2 months back.
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Apr 17, 2015 06:11am
@Sudhanshu Swami;
"about 80% Kashmiris participated in elections held under Indian Constitutions."
80% of what? turnout is a percentage of the those who register to vote, few Muslims register and fewer vote. In the latest Indian sham, the Muslim turnout was the usual 2% to 4%, essentially government servants and their families.
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Apr 17, 2015 06:16am
@Shwetal;
"Meanwhile India can continue focusing on expanding its economy"
Your "economy" is also a fraud like your elections. India is number three among the seven South Asian nations economically and Pakistan is number 4. In general Zia's last days Pakistan was number 3 and India was number 4.
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Apr 17, 2015 06:38am
Waving a Pakistani flag is illegal under democratic India. Freedom of speech according to Indians...
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Apr 17, 2015 06:39am
@Sudhanshu Swami voting is not an acceptance of in f2f ia. Your deluded and ignorant. Kashmir wants Indians out...
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Apr 17, 2015 06:45am
@Someone Balochistan is not a disputed territory, unlike Indian occupied Kashmir.
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Apr 17, 2015 08:14am
To my Pakistani friends, around 30% of all Kashmiris support independence. The number supporting Pakistan are 5% and these are all in the valley. In short these people are in minority. The supporters are Syed Geelani are in few thousands only.
In Jammu consisting of 10 districts, Hindus as well as Muslims are staunchly against the valley Muslims.
In Ladhakh, Budhists as well as Muslims are staunchly against the valley Muslims.
In the valley which consists of 10 districts, most of the people talking of separatism or Pakistan are in Srinagar. No one outside Srinagar buys their argument.
In spite of all the hohum, this is the reality in Kashmir. It is the local Muslims who help Indian army find out the intruders and finish them.
Now, going one step further, 70% of Muslims in Pakistani side of Baltistan are with India. Try holding a plebiscite there and we will see.
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Apr 17, 2015 08:17am
@Safwan : That comment was from Separatists who lost face when the majority ignored their boycott call. You do some research.
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Apr 17, 2015 08:21am
@wang wao : There's a lot of hue and cry here in indian media about this incident but I think India Pak both need to come a conclusion of win-win situation. Like 5000 sq km valley be given to Pak and option for banihal and doda distt to migrate valley. Jammu and laddakh remain with India along with siachin and some Shia majority parts of skardu and baltistan. Both India Pak must win.it shouldn't be projected like disintegration.
So basically you say that only the Muslims in the valley are for separation. Let me inform you that even in the valley the people who want to separate are in Minority. Secondly even those who want to separate are not for joining Pakistan. In fact once they realize that only the valley will go to Pakistan, they will change their position and will want to remain in India.
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Apr 17, 2015 09:01am
@Tanveer They force Kashmiri pandit to vacate valley and that's why army came .earlir army was not there . They chose army now why they r complaining?
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Apr 17, 2015 10:09am
@iqbal We don't need a neutral umpire in our own country. We aren't playing a cricket match with Pakistan
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Apr 17, 2015 10:11am
Looking at the comments below ...it is evident that people(our neighbors) are miss informed. Dividing India based on religion is unjust. First attack diversity and then call for division. No one in right mind will justify this. Would like to look froward to Peace and Prosperity all around neighboring countries. Please get the perspective for your own good.
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Apr 17, 2015 10:13am
@Sonny Afridi PDP just got two seats more than BJP. This is only the beginning. BJP will wrest power in the next election
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Apr 17, 2015 10:22am
@Last Word That has already started. They have arrested their leader and the rest will be in too.
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Apr 17, 2015 10:35am
all those who are saying why Kashmiri particapted in election is becoz they are politically mature. they know when to boycott and when to vote.. In order to avoid the govt. of bjp they voted in election. Now dont say There is BJP-PDP alliance govt. Yes it is there. bUt bjp has been selected from jammu only dominated by Hindus. They (BJP) didnt get even a single seat from kashmir. SO they are politically mature.
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Apr 17, 2015 10:37am
@aamed
Keep dreaming about Kashmir
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Apr 17, 2015 10:43am
@waseem India has never gone to the UN and has always maintained Kashmir is a bilateral issue. UN and the global community recognises that too.
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Apr 17, 2015 11:36am
country can not separate on one religion, two nation theory is collapsed after bangldesh was born. it is difficult to find one religious ( culture, language) people in only one country. every country has separatists movement, from china to spain including pakistan and india . some people want separate country by culture, region, language, religion.
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Apr 17, 2015 11:40am
@Anil and while dreaming they will lose Balauchistan just like Bangladesh.
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Apr 17, 2015 11:48am
@kashmir 70 % of Lahore , Sialkot etc were alo Hindu and Sikh. Will hou agree to move them in again anf remove all muslims from those pakistani cities and hold plebiscite there to join India ? Then we will see how much territory wkll be left for Pakistan.
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Apr 17, 2015 11:58am
@Safwan
what nonsense! the elections were held under the constitution of india. if the kashmiris participated in the election, then it clearly means that they have accepted indian rule.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:22pm
@waseem
that is because your country has this habit of poking its nose in the affairs of the indian kashmir. we have to secure our side, don't you think. pakistan has been, since 1947 pushing militants and terrorists in to our side to snatch our side of kashmir. pakistan wants plebiscite without fulfilling their side of the conditions. they want plebiscite in indian kashmir but do not want it pakistan occupied kashmir .
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Apr 17, 2015 12:24pm
@aamed
will you permit anyone to wave indian flag in balochistan or in your side of kashmir? make some sense while commenting.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:55pm
@Irfan Umrani 70-80% of the Kashmiris are satisfied with the Indian rule and the development taking place in Kashmir. We all know where these separatists get their fund for their anti national activities . What do you think why these people are meeting with you diplomats at Pakistan embassy every month. There are instance that they were caught red handed with huge sum of money while coming out of your embassy in Newdelhi.
And if you start talking about Indian Kashmir, Talk about Gilgit Baldistan also, Are they happy with Pakistan?
When your House's foundation is shaking, you are supposed to repair it, Not supposed to fight with your neighbour to claim his sunshade.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:00pm
@Mustafa : Nonsense statistics. 100% Kashmiris are registered to vote.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:00pm
@Hassan : Who said we want people?
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Apr 17, 2015 01:17pm
@iqbal Exactly.. lets have a resolution.. and before that settle all the people who were rooted apart from Kashmir.. settle in the native people and lets have them vote..
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Apr 17, 2015 02:34pm
@Haider Rehman: both India Kashmir and Pakistan Kashmir are disputed territories. The UN resolution calls for a referendum after Pakistan vacates their part of Kashmir too.
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Apr 17, 2015 03:17pm
@umar waiving one Pakistani flag resulting burning of one thousand Pakistani flags in Jammu and other parts of country. Flag is a proud of a country and we don't want to demoralize the proud of any nation.
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Apr 17, 2015 07:39pm
@Harsh have you ever gone to valley. I am saying this on my personal experience.
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Apr 18, 2015 11:55am
@aamed Kashmir was dropped from the UN list of international disputed territories in 2010. Case closed. A few hundreds of unemployed youth who are paid to pelt stones do not represent entire J& K.
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Apr 18, 2015 07:35pm
@Tanveer Not ALL Kashmiris speak this language, this cross section is very small in numbers. Remember, Jammu and Ladakh regions are altogether different.
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Apr 18, 2015 07:46pm
@Suri Singh ...Sher e punjab A lot of Muslims migrated to Pakistan in 1947, those Kashmiris can do the same, peacefully, if they wish.
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Apr 18, 2015 07:50pm
@srk fan Yes especially power generation. Pakistan generated just 3% of total power India presently is generation.
Power consumption per capita in Pakistan is 50% of what Indians consume. That speaks a lot about difference in levels of development.
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Apr 19, 2015 12:17pm
@aamed It will be if we make one.
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Apr 19, 2015 12:21pm
@Kashif Jilani So you love such a fact?
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