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It wasn’t the final atrocity

Updated Dec 20, 2014 09:23am


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The author teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.
The author teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

THE gut-wrenching massacre in Peshawar’s Army Public School has left Pakistan aghast and sickened. All political leaders have called for unity against terrorism. But this is no watershed event that can bridge the deep divides within. In another few days this episode of 134 dead children will become one like any other.

All tragedies provoke emotional exhortations. But nothing changed after Lakki Marwat when 105 spectators of a volleyball match were killed by a suicide bomber in a pickup truck. Or, when 96 Hazaras in a snooker club died in a double suicide attack. The 127 dead in the All Saints Church bombing in Peshawar, or the 90 Ahmadis killed while in prayer, are now dry statistics. In 2012, men in military uniforms stopped four buses bound from Rawalpindi to Gilgit, demanding that all 117 persons alight and show their national identification cards. Those with typical Shia names, like Abbas and Jafri, were separated. Minutes later corpses lay on the ground.

If Pakistan had a collective conscience, just one single fact could have woken it up: the murder of nearly 60 polio workers — women and men who work to save children from a crippling disease — at the hands of the fanatics.

Hence the horrible inevitability: from time to time, Pakistan shall continue to witness more such catastrophes. No security measures can ever prevent attacks on soft targets. The only possible solution is to change mindsets. For this we must grapple with three hard facts.

First, let’s openly admit that the killers are not outsiders or infidels. Instead, they are fighting a war for the reason Boko Haram fights in Nigeria, IS in Iraq and Syria, Al Shabab in Kenya, etc. The men who slaughtered our children are fighting for a dream — to destroy Pakistan as a Muslim state and recreate it as an Islamic state. This is why they also attack airports and shoot at PIA planes. They see these as necessary steps towards their utopia.

Let’s openly admit that the killers are not outsiders or infidels.

No one should speculate about the identity of the killers. Taliban spokesman Muhammad Umar Khorasani released pictures of the eight ‘martyrs’, justifying the killing of minors with reference to Hadith (a horrific perversion, of course). Dizzied by religious passions, the men roamed the school searching for children hiding under desks and shouted “Allah-o-Akbar” before opening fire. Shot in both legs, Shahrukh Khan, 16, says he survived by playing dead. Another surviving student, Aamir Ali, says that two clean-shaven gunmen told students to recite the kalima before shooting them multiple times.

Second, Pakistan must scorn and punish those who either support terrorism publicly or lie to us about the identity of terrorists. Television anchors and political personalities have made their fortunes and careers by fabricating wild theories. For example, retired Gen Hamid Gul and his son Abdullah Gul have adamantly insisted multiple times on TV that suicide attackers were not circumcised and hence not Muslim. Though body parts are plentifully available for inspection these days, they have not retracted earlier claims.

Those on the state’s payroll that encourage violence against the state must be dismissed. Maulana Abdul Aziz of Islamabad’s Lal Masjid — a government mosque — led an insurrection in 2007 against the Pakistani state. He flatly refuses to condemn the Peshawar massacre. Other state employees have called upon all to not pray for army soldiers killed in action. At another level is Jamaatud Dawa’s supremo, Hafiz Saeed. He blames India for the Peshawar massacre and, ignoring ironclad evidence, misguides Pakistanis about the identity of the enemy.

Among political leaders, none is more blameworthy than Imran Khan, the icon of millions of immature minds. He has never named the Taliban as terrorists even when they claimed responsibility for various atrocities. That the TTP may be involved in the Peshawar massacre is the first exception, but this is contained only in a tweet. For a man who uses the strongest language against political opponents and has hogged TV channels for months, he has yet to condemn TTP before a national audience. Why the reticence?

It was even worse earlier. In 2009, as the Taliban took over Swat, on Hamid Mir’s Capital Talk he claimed that the Swat Taliban were fighting a war of liberation against the Americans. When I asked why they were fighting in Pakistan and killing our policemen and soldiers, he accused me of being an American agent and then, later, attempted to physically attack me. Readers can google this video.

Third, if Pakistan is to be at peace with itself then it must seek peace with its neighbours and begin disassembling the apparatus of jihad. The bitter truth is that you reap what you sow. Today, massive militant establishments hold the Pakistani state hostage. They run their own training centres, hospitals, and disaster relief programmes. When Sartaj Aziz, adviser to the prime minister on foreign affairs, said that Pakistan was not going to target militant groups which “did not pose a threat to the state”, he accidentally spilled the beans. In fact he was merely restating Pakistan’s well-known zero-sum paradigm — we live to hurt others, not to better ourselves.

While bewailing the murder of our children, let us acknowledge that Pakistan’s soil has been used time and again for inflicting grief and sorrow across the world. Today it is not just India and Afghanistan who accuse us, but also China and Iran.

By launching Zarb-i-Azb, Gen Raheel Sharif has broken with his timid predecessor, Gen Kayani. North Waziristan should never have become the epicentre of terrorism. He has done well to meet President Ashraf Ghani in Kabul and demand the extradition of TTP’s Mullah Fazlullah, now ensconced on the Afghan side. But what of Mullah Omar? The Pakistani Taliban and the Afghan Taliban are two sides of the same coin. I wonder if President Ghani asked General Sharif to help extradite Mullah Omar for facing justice before the Afghan people.

The author teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Published in Dawn December 20th , 2014

The views expressed by this writer and commenters below do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

Comments (238) Closed

salman Dec 20, 2014 01:55am

I have always admire your opinions Sir you are spot on , few of the last remaining sane minds in Pakistan. May Allah guide us towards Enlightenment of tolerance and peace.

Sridhar Dec 20, 2014 02:11am

How can we find a way to create a critical mass of leaders in Pakistan who practice and preach sense a la Prof. Hoodbhoy? Clear logical thinking and action are the only known solutions to the cancer that is eating at the very vitals of this nation.

sudhakar Dec 20, 2014 02:29am

Bravo Mr.Hoodbhoy! Bravo!

Kanwal Dec 20, 2014 02:35am

You are among the very few voices of sanity in this country who consistently tell us the right from wrong and shows us how to do it ourselves too. Bravo sir. Stay safe. Dec 20, 2014 02:50am

Vary True!!

Arun Dec 20, 2014 03:00am

Perfect! One of the best opeds I've read , ever. Need of the hour.

Mohammed Abbasi Dec 20, 2014 03:06am

The violent and power crazed maulvis were given an inch and they took a foot, and they continued and continued - Pakistani governments kept stepping back and back, the maulvis attacked Malala and abused/insulted her and Pakistanis stepped further back and some joined in the abuse... then the violent maulvis attacked a school and murdered over 140 innocent souls... The sense is Pakistanis have woken up to the cancerous tumour and want to unite to deal with it once and for all... but I could be wrong and they may step back again and the bearded barbarians will have unquestionably won and Pakistan will be lost...

javed Iqbal Dec 20, 2014 03:07am

Excellent article with thoughtful analysis. All apologists of Talban in Media, bureaucracy, educational institutions , ‘internet Jahadi ‘ who run a hate- campaign against Malala are equal responsible for this Peshawar massacre . They defend Talban for assault on Malala & make hue & cry over her Nobel Prize winning. Due to this support Talban attack our school. We do not forget one ‘investigation journalist ‘of one leading Media Group, who openly supports Fazalulla & Co in TV Shows & in his columns but neither his editor nor security agencies take notice of his provocative writing.

Anarchist Dec 20, 2014 03:08am

Even though I agree with some of the arguments made by Hoodhboy, I think it is highly unfair to solely put blame on IK, mainly because until May 2013 he did not even have any political power so he was irrelevant as far as Pakistan's decision-makers are concerned, criticism of his approach toward the Taliban notwithstanding.

Also, I watched the talk show that Hoodbhoy refers to and no where did I see IK physically (unless by 'later' Hoodbhoy means off the camera, which at least the readers cannot corroborate) attack Hoodbhoy though he asked him if he was a security advisor to Americans. On this count, I am disappointed as I like Hoodboy's thinking on many issues

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Ram K. Chopra Dec 20, 2014 03:13am

Thank You Mr. Pervez Hoodbhoy. I can not thank you enough for your bravery.

I prey to Allah that he protect you always and every where.

Ram K. Chopra Dec 20, 2014 03:20am

Every nationality, every religious group and denomination, makes wild claims of brave hearts among them.

But real brave are the ones who dare to speak up against the perceived majority among their own group.

I. Ahmed Dec 20, 2014 03:24am

Why single out Abdul Aziz for not condemning the Peshawar massacre. Name me one political party, except MQM and too an extent PPP, who has named Fazlullah or Taliban or TTP or IS in their condemnation? All their statements are "we are against all kinds of terrorism". Abdul Aziz is a known enemy, he says he will not condemn, but all these political parties who are part of the problem and ironically are part of the committee that is going to come up with a solution against "all kinds of terrorism"! It is abundantly clear we have all shades of Abdul Aziz's in political sphere!

Ranganatha Dec 20, 2014 03:24am

This is golden truth. I appreciate your courage saying truth and staying in Pakistan. I watch your TV shows, and read almost all your articles. I observe many times, you are not allowed to express your views in tv. In my opinion, without humanity, no society will flourish. And now a days only few people advocate this noble cause. I condemn all terrorist acts in Pakistan and elsewhere, especially with children. I personally does not want see killing of animals even. I do not have words explain the pain for what is happened. Without humanity why one should we live? There is ideology fight between extremists and liberals, intolerance with other faiths. Let us see, things may change, civil society may gain power and the country will be normal in few years.

India2075 Dec 20, 2014 03:33am

If only Pakistan had a few more such professors... Such people who are vocal and do not mince their words... Professor Hoodbhoy is a honest, well meaning but a stark & lonely figure People of this country will one day ask why they did not pay heed to the wise counsel of this great person. Time is running out but there is still that ray of hope that Pakistanis will take a U turn on how they see themselves and how they view the world. An excellent, honest & introspective article by Prof Hoodbhoy. I know from past articles and write ups that he is a "different" citizen of a hapless state, it's people and its policy apparatus. Keep the flame burning Prof Hoodbhoy so that it becomes a beacon for lost humanity in that part of the world where you reside. RIP the innocent dead of Peshawar.

Jb Dec 20, 2014 03:44am

Hoodbhoy, cutting like hot knife through butter. Thank you for speaking my heart out.

Malik Dec 20, 2014 03:45am

Excellent analysis in every sense of the word. Thanks a million. It should be an eye opener for all of us. This is not the first attack on our schools. Hundreds of schools in the FATA areas were destroyed by these fanatics. The young man in FATA, who stopped a potential suicide bomber, and eventually got himself killed--was a prime example. His life should have been celebrated throughout the country. His family should have been recognized and rewarded. The school should have been named after him. Malala is another example and now a worldwide symbol. Why Moulana of Akora Khattak had not spoken about this mass scale atrocity. and condemned it? He is a media savvy person and I had not seen him lately, Moulana Aziz should be condemned, and why he is allowed the most prominent mosque in the capital to preach. He has been conveying a jaundiced message of Islam for very long time. We should help this Islamabad procession against him. Let these black sheep be exposed from their religious umbrella. They are either murderers or their abettors and collaborators. They should be punished. Let Mumtaz Qadri be the next person on the gallows. The death by hanging is a slow process, may be this should be replaced with firing squads to expedite this long list. Finally, it is no shame to sign an extradition treaty with India and Afghanistan, and let their wanted people be extradited through a judicial process in an expedited way.

BRR Dec 20, 2014 03:52am

A simple and factual indictment of the pakistani society, especially its political and military class, for the promotion of extremism and intolerance, for the use of religion and violence as a means to an end. How can such a society face its true nature? It can only deny it.

khwaab Dec 20, 2014 03:56am

Praying for your safety after you had the guts to write such an excruciating and implicating, truth-revealing article.

Truth will ultimately prevail over all the propaganda and conspiracy theories. ISI, Army, religious and political leaders can only take things so far without any truth backing it. While they all greatly benefit keeping the public in darkness, creating fear of fabricated enemy and deliberately misguided, the general population suffers tremendously and endlessly.

Pakistan's zero-sum game is known to the world for decades. Hope it is not too late by the time the citizens comprehend it fully...

Laeeq, NY Dec 20, 2014 03:57am

Very well said. There are no better words to explain the terrorist and their sympathizers.

PatelD Dec 20, 2014 04:15am

Very plain straight forward easy to grasp opinion. This is no rocket science to understand what created these permanent brutal Islamic terror groups. This is the second Pakistani who has openly gone against popular opinions and has taken politically incorrect bold step. The first one is an ex-pakistani ambassador now in exile who on the day of massacre went on to BBC to say the same thing about Pakistani politics and the culture that are bent backwards on hurting their neighboring countries while ignoring and even sympathizing with the people who are organized to commit Islamic terror against Pakistani people. Every terror event follows with mass movement of protecting Islamic Faith (Like Terror is not Islam, terrorists have no religion etc. etc.)and completely ignoring the sufferings of the victims. In rush of protecting faith, the matter of long term protection plan just does not get attention. I hope Pakistan takes advise from this article to punish and eliminate people who are just intolerant to another human being and that the government do its duty to protect all the citizens.

Raj Patel Dec 20, 2014 04:16am

Sane lone voice but no takers in holy land of Pakistan. When you blinded with faith, no body can enlighten you. RIP kids of Peshavar. Your countrie's elders and leaders are not going to learn anything. Your blood is going to be a tool to score against each other. I am very sorry and pained to see chameleon changes it's color.

Thoughtful Dec 20, 2014 04:26am

As usual a thoughtful and realistic opinion. Unfortunately, opportunist politicians like Imran Khan (if one calls him a politician) is taking advantage from Peshawar attack. To ordinary public and his immature supporters his cancellation of dharna is an admirable thing (and there is some truth into it) but his lack of strong-word condemnation of the terrorists tells us that he still supports the extremists and would like to go along with them. It is also possible that he is so fearful of Talibans that he does not like to outright condemn them rather supports them to keep himself safe and alive.

Bilal Dec 20, 2014 04:31am

This will fall on deaf ears. But thank you for writing anyway. If nothing else, you have furthered my resolve to play a role in bringing change.

zafarov Dec 20, 2014 05:02am

Excellent analysis. What we see now is unprecedented grief and outrage in society at large. This is the first time Taliban and Jihadi supporters and apologists have been placed firmly on the back foot. As rightly pointed out the only possible solution is change mindsets. Right now a window of opportunity exists for the authorities to undertake a number of measures in earnest. Strict control of loudspeakers in mosques, bringing madarasaas under the ambit of education ministries and a revamping of educational syllabuses. The mass media must be directed to establish a code of conduct that will ensure that a platform will not be provided to promote and propagate

SCP Dec 20, 2014 05:35am

I have been mentioning to my PTI Insafiyaans friends about IK and his softened approach and feeling for TTP for long time. I am so distraught that educated and intelligent members of PTI do not raise the question to IK or try to understand his take.

Does any one thought and paid attention that why (God Forbid) IK rallies before, during and after election and Dharna had any untoward incident where as other political parties always have to go through.

I request to Dawn, please do not censor my comments. We need to speak truth and as a reputed Newspaper allow me to express my honest two cents. Thank you.

Ram K. Chopra Dec 20, 2014 06:05am

Every nationality, every religious group and denomination, make wild claims of "brave men" among their flock.

But real brave are the ones who dare to speak up against the perceived majority among their own group.

May Allah give you long healthy life?

Hope and pray, many more join you, speak and demonstrate in peace, and call for unconditional defeat of these monsters.

Syed Dec 20, 2014 06:31am

Alway enjoy your opinons sir, very well written, what nothing will change, like you said in few months, it will be forgotton, like the other attacks, I was surprise the comments made by President Musharff, blaming India for this attack, since Taliban already accepted the responsibily, what a shame.

Salman Ali Dec 20, 2014 07:19am

Fully agree with your sentiment. We sowed the seeds of this the day we supported breaking of law in the name of religion. And it keeps multiplying. I am a Imran Khan supporter but do not agree with all his policies and views. Looking around other parties, is there one who has credible strategy to tackle this with conviction and commitment to implement it. If there is, and can back it up with good Corporate Governance in all other areas, will enthusiastically support it. Last Interior Minister that I had faith in was Lt. General Moin Haider.

ROHIT PANDEY Dec 20, 2014 07:31am

Pakistan has turned into a highly dysfunctional state...and, fixing it is not going to be easy?

At least, that is what this article leads me to believe?

Salma Dec 20, 2014 07:38am

You are a Professor worthy of that designation, a teacher exemplar. People like you are the hope for Pakistan. I hope that these words of wisdom will get that immediate and intense attention which they deserve. Unfortunately, with time I am becoming more and more of a pessimist.

TP Dec 20, 2014 08:09am

May God bless you Mr Hoodbhoy.

Honey Singh Dec 20, 2014 08:26am

At least I appreciate author that he dared to say that Hafiz saeed is misguiding pakistan ...

Sajjad Dec 20, 2014 08:28am

I salute you for the courage you have always shown. I hope I can develop the same courage and zeal.

think_then_speak Dec 20, 2014 08:38am

Those who make conducive ground for Taliban, extremist religious zealots, should be excommunicated and punished. the so called media , the apologists of Taliban, they should be punished as well.

Saqlain Dec 20, 2014 08:40am

Dr. Pervez has been pointing out the insiders on the issue of extremism for a long period of time. His arguments are valid and full of rationale.

raza Dec 20, 2014 08:42am

I thank you that finally some one is naming the issues with out hiding the truth. IK has yet for condemn these terrorists and it is hard to believe that a man that is not running short of any words takes so long. More over this is a positive influence he could have on his youth that would benefit eventually. But on this issue he chooses to silence. Nawaz and his lot need to stop playing with these terror supporters. It is high time that we wake up to the reality and the Perveze expressed it so well so that every one would understand the reality .

Ammy Dec 20, 2014 08:45am

Sir, Paistan needs more people like you in multiples to take it on right direction. Your pain and frustration on the injustice to Pakistan because of wrong policies is clearly visible.

If Pakistan govt. is really serious, they should include you in list of advisors to govt of Pakistan, and not Sartaz Aziz.

ali Dec 20, 2014 08:52am

one of the few sane minds in pakistan. well done to dawn for publishing this.

observer Dec 20, 2014 08:52am

Professor, the problem is that those "immature minds" are being mass produced by the Pakistani culture and educational institutions. So called educated people brag about being religious rather than enlightened. We have oxford educated Maula Jutts roamng the political streets. I will not just say that people who belong to PTI or support it are not just immature but are complete idiots who think of themselves as God' gift to the humanity.

Varntvar Dec 20, 2014 08:53am

Thank you Professor. May you remain safe. And do not lose hope. The truth alone triumphs. All my good wishes are with you. - an Indian.

observer Dec 20, 2014 08:55am

@Salma , people like Hoodbhouy in Pakistani culture are called "jahils" on live TV and the anchor smiles . This country has lost its way completely. Just wait and see how it de-evolves more if for some miracle the current so called leaders are not replaced by people who have some psychological sophistication left in them after living in this disgusting environment.

jari khan Dec 20, 2014 08:56am

well said Pervaiz Hood Bhai. soon this massacre will be white washed from minds of people except those mothers who lost their children and those widowers who lost their husbands and Taliban are probably engaged in masterminding their next plan. this is a nation of shameless and coward people who do not want to get these mullahs who are main perpetuators of the attack. mullah Abdul Aziz who is running a government mosque and saying that he does not accept constitution of Pakistan. This daring mullah should be the fist one to be hanged

Ashraff Dec 20, 2014 08:59am

Great article sir.

TruthiNess Dec 20, 2014 09:01am

Only people like you can save Pakistan now. It may be already too late but try your best to save your mother land. It is now or never. It is now beyond politicians, military, and bigots. Only enlightened people like you can save Pakistan .

Siddhartha Shastri Dec 20, 2014 09:03am

Bravo, Dr. Hoodbhoy. For most of us ordinary people, God is Truth. For scientists like you, Truth is God. Well spoken.

Basil Dec 20, 2014 09:03am

There are hardly anyone who doesn't acknowledge the fact that these crimes are done by taliban of Pak/Afghan or Arab origin, but the question that ppl keep raising is the funding of the talibans.Pak neighbour is involved in destabilization of Pakistan, and they have been funding the talibans and taking active part in creating unrest in Balouchistan, even CIA's official have admitted that.Too bad Pervaiz can't see this.

Hyderabad wala Dec 20, 2014 09:04am

Two slogans come to mind : 'Give peace a chance' the mantra of Nawaz Sharif, PM of Pakistan. He wanted to negotiate with the killers 63,000 men women and children. Second, the Cricketer : who wanted an office for TTP in Islamabad. And his famous slogan 'Hamara Bhai Haey ' [they are our brothers]

Dec 20, 2014 09:06am

Food for thoughts. Thank you,Sir

Venkat D Dec 20, 2014 09:09am

Sir, you have shown a mirror to the Pakistani Establishment.

SAMARESH DATTA Dec 20, 2014 09:13am

"Maulana Abdul Aziz of Islamabad’s Lal Masjid — a government mosque — Flatly refuses to condemn the Peshawar massacre. "

Is this person ( Aziz) is an Human being ? Shame on him! How he is tolerated in a civil society!

bk Dec 20, 2014 09:15am

you always hit the bulls eye hoodhboy, salute you.

SAMARESH DATTA Dec 20, 2014 09:16am

Mr. Pervez Hoodbhoy , i fear for your safety because you exposed the bitter truth is such a simple way . The enemy of mankind will not take it easy!

abp Dec 20, 2014 09:16am

Never read Mr. Hoodbhoy before. Well written and to the point article-glad we have people like him left in Pakistan. God Bless him. He is another rational person I have found on Dawn in addition to Babar Sattar, who I admire a lot.

C S Malhotra Dec 20, 2014 09:22am

Excellent article. Incisive. Precise. Universally valid. Ideal prescription for Pakistan.

Jibran Dec 20, 2014 09:24am

Further, overall the Pakistani society has become much radicalized and one of the key reason is due to the hatred spread daily by Mullahs from Mosques or even through television programs and Molvi Abdul Aziz is one example. To witness this hatred just listen to a Khutba at a Jumma prayer and you would find it speech written by these terror groups.

Political parties including JI have been defending these terrorist groups till today and no one dares to encounter them. Our so called champions of civil society including Atizaz Ahsan, Asma Jahangir who are quick to respond in protecting so called democracy have shown little interest and efforts to challenge the massacre and misdeeds concurring every even and then.

There are possibilities that these terrorists groups might be indirectly used by external forces including India and Iran and Afghanistan but they should learn form the happenings in Pakistan that it can backfire and this fire can engulf them too so better they should make extra efforts in apprehending these evils rather than partnering with them.

For Pakistan it can only overcome this menace is 1) de-radicalization of society, bring mosques under state control and reforming Maddrasas adding them into mainstream educational setup and 2) Justice for all if not at least those who involved in killing and heinous crimes must be punished.

Shahzad Dec 20, 2014 09:26am

This is a great article by Prof Hoodboy but I would beg to disagree with him on blaming Imran Khan.

The business of politics is such that no politician wants to pick up fight with armed and dangerous militant group. They simply can't operate in that environment particularly if they pitch themselves against a group like Taliban who spare no one to bomb. We must not forget a political party has no militant wing to defend itself and we know how our government has been helpless. Their best strategy is to avoid conflict with them if they can. This is particularly true for someone who is building a new party and is already running againt two mega and well digged in parties, his plate is already too full.

If you don't have the means to fight someone (who could possibly kill you), the best principal is to avoid that fight. These lessons can be learned from ANP. I admire them for being strongly against terrorist but they had no strategy and as a result suffered greatly. We can't fight this war like 16 years old with full of jazba but no strategy.

I do understand Imran Khan has been naive about Taliban but I have overlooked this for the above reasons. Further irony is that I feel I can say these reasons but he can't even say this himself.

I admire both Prof Hoodhboy and Imran Khan and it bothers me they are against each other, I would love to seem them together.

P Setra Dec 20, 2014 09:28am

Would any Pakistani listen to Mr. Hoodbhoy? His voice is like "Nagaarkhaane men tooti ki awaaz" There are too many people who have different hidden agenda than betterment of the country, regardless of what actually comes out of their mouths.

Majid Sheikh Dec 20, 2014 09:36am

@Anarchist The worthy professor said Hamid Mir attacked him. Read carefully.

Nitin D Dec 20, 2014 09:36am

@I. Ahmed

wali Dec 20, 2014 09:38am

Great article. Trurth spoken finally.

Tariq Dec 20, 2014 09:39am

Thanks for the truth

Kalyan Dec 20, 2014 09:43am

Hats off to you, Sir. Namaste from an Indian. Please stay safe. We all need you.

Xiang Dec 20, 2014 09:46am

The writ of the state is negligible. The civil society is crushed under the weight of fanaticism. A normal middle class citizen is finding avenues to leave the chaotic country in search of peace and future for their children. Sorry for the pessimism, but the truth is: It's only to get worse.

ashok kumar lal Dec 20, 2014 09:47am

this time those who died are children of army officers.Next in line will be other family members, and army will be weakened.Hence strong reaction from army.It is good beginning which must go to logical end.Or else--- we will not speculate.

abid Dec 20, 2014 09:48am

I salute you undaunted opinions. hats off to your vocal stance!

Moona Dec 20, 2014 09:59am

I think that process has started. The black tide has to ebb one day. That day has come.

Dinesh Singh Dec 20, 2014 10:00am

Pervez Hoodbhoy I know you are brave person. You have been speaking to reform Pakistan but you have failed. It is not your mistake. The country in which you live was created in the name of religion and no country has survived in the name of religion. We in India have survived because of secularism. Please take care of yourself and wish you all the best.

SR Khan, Chitral Dec 20, 2014 10:02am

How can I thank You Professor Hoodboy, you are so right as always.

Rakaposhi Dec 20, 2014 10:06am

The link for argument that Prof Hoodhboy is referring is below. You be the judge but I feel that Professor unnecessarily started the blame game and opened rather hostile in that discussion and Imran Khan never called him agent.

Vijai Murugan Dec 20, 2014 10:11am

We have a saying in our part of the world. Yathaartha vaathi vegujana virodhi. That means he who states the facts is an enemy of masses. Dr. Hoodbhoy, Be safe and careful about your surroundings. You are a right man at the wrong place.

Mf Dec 20, 2014 10:18am

Pakistan needs a deep down soul searching to face the reality and find the courage to solve real challenges facing us. No more conspiracy theories and providing soft support to fundamental ideas. This article is to the point and hits us right in the face. It's refreshing to know that some people (still) have the courage to say as it is. Thank you.

mahadevan Dec 20, 2014 10:19am

beautifully written-Full of common sense-Hate to see a country being swallowed by foolish jihadis-May God protect the innocents and save them

AJ Dec 20, 2014 10:22am

Start by stopping the venom that is injected in young minds.

asad ali Dec 20, 2014 10:35am

Perfect description...this polarization in our society and political leadership on the identity of enemy is a major hurdle in path of defeating terrorism. Thank your for sharing such enlightened and rational ideas with readers.

Janzeb Dec 20, 2014 10:40am

Excellent analysis. It always starts with the minorities. If you don't take action then, the fire will engulf the entire society. We are going through that stage. First Ahamedis, Christians, Hazara and Shia, now the mainstream. Had we stood together at the first innocent being killed by these savages, and punish them and their supporters and wellwisher, we would not have seen this carnage today.

A Pakistani Dec 20, 2014 10:44am

Excellent. Each line is the plain, stark truth.

I fear for your safety, and pray for your safety. W need more people like you in Pakistan.

a Dec 20, 2014 10:49am

Great article...

abdulaziz Dec 20, 2014 10:50am

May God bless Dawn and Prof Hoodboy for such bravery and honesty.....much needed in this godforsaken nation.

alak Dec 20, 2014 10:50am

The root of the problem is that the army is too strong in Pakistan. A strong army is good but it should not be stronger than the civilian government. Yesterday general Pervez Musharraf made a random statement accusing India although Pakistani govt or the army have not done so. It does not seem like that the Pakistani generals work in the interest of Pakistani people. And it is obvious that they will not do so simply because they are not accountable or answerable to the the Pakistani people. I have seen some Pakistanis fall back on the army every time Pakistan faces a political imbroglio. Somehow army is expected to solve all the domestic and foreign issues. This is a wrong attitude. No matter how incompetent your leaders are, at the end of the day they represent you. The army does not. The army should be your servant and should not be dictating your national policies. Back your politicians even if they are incompetent. Choose wisely when you vote but please do not make them insignificant. Every army works in the interest of the corresponding country except that of Pakistan and that is why it is so hard for other countries to find a common ground with Pakistan. Pakistani people want to live and let live like everyone else. But please understand that your desire to live a safety will not be respected by an authority that does not represent you.

Hassan Amin Dec 20, 2014 10:59am

Dear Sir, I wish every pakistani can think and understand in the same way.

Regards Hassan

Parvez Dec 20, 2014 10:59am

Excellent article.........its a big conciliation for people like me that people like you have the courage to speak out.

Adv. kazi muhammad bux Dec 20, 2014 11:13am

''Among political leaders, none is more blameworthy than Imran Khan, the icon of millions of immature minds. He has never named the Taliban as terrorists even when they claimed responsibility for various atrocities. '' the real picture every person should realises the facts about a man who want a new pakistan.......within old pkistan.

Adv. kazi muhammad bux Dec 20, 2014 11:19am

@Shahzad only Benazir Bhutto openly condemned such terrorists in her life time.

Random Passerby Dec 20, 2014 11:19am

Bravo! In a few paragraphs you have said everting that needs to be said.

Chaigram Dec 20, 2014 11:21am

Congratulations. You have the guts to reiterate what everyone knows but too scared to open their mouths. There is saying in English 'Nip it in the bud' if this was done 13 years ago, things would never have reached to this. I have a very firm belief that Allah is just and these sacrafices will not go in vain. Inshallah.

a Dec 20, 2014 11:23am

I am surprised that you did not mention the christian couple who were burnt alive eee by a mob in Radha Krishan. Why the Pakistani nation not cry or carried out rallies against those 500 or so people who committed such a barbaric act during bright day light. Why is the Maulana who incited people to kill the couple still living- why is he not hanged already? Why delay the justice? This government is still not 100% ready to go after the Taliban beasts and by releasing a major LJ mastermind on bail the government has exposed its double game. Shame on this government and the estblisment.

Also shocking to see pictures of Aijaz ul Haq sitting in the anti terrorism forum - why is this guy still around? His father laid the foundation of extremism in Pakistan and he should be forever barred from any public events. Pakistani bhayo, now is the time to cleanse your country of murderers; religious bigots, politicians who support Taliban.

Riaz Dec 20, 2014 11:31am

The Nation needs to stand with the government; we must report all suspicious activities to the authorities immediately.

Sandeep Dec 20, 2014 11:33am

A brilliant piece of article as usual by Dr.Hoodbhoy. I wish sane and right thinking people like Dr.Hoodbhy take over the leadership of Pakistan and take it on the right path. As is said aptly by him unless the mindset of majority of the people is changed there will be more such carnages in the future. I pity people like Hafiz Saeed and Gen.Pervez Musharraf who take this opportunity to blame India when there is an ironclad evidence against TTP.

lkhan Dec 20, 2014 11:41am

Mr. Hoodbhoy, you have eloquently expressed what many Pakistanis feel. Far too many lives have been sacrificed, just horrific statistics its seems. Pakistani politicians can not continue playing these callous double games, destroying the nation in the process. What a poor calibre of leaders we have. Hopefully people like yourself will in our near future play important decisive roles.

kkkhattak Dec 20, 2014 11:47am

Action without vision is just passing time and vision without action is daydreaming but vision with action can change the world.

Roger Dec 20, 2014 11:53am

Bravo !!! Spoken like a Visionary. No comes the bad news. Nothing will change, get your VISA papers ready ASAP, before you are NEXT

Sandeep Dec 20, 2014 11:57am

@kkkhattak Well said Mr.Khattak.

GT Dec 20, 2014 12:10pm

"we live to hurt others, not to better ourselves" - Well said. That one line pretty much sums up the sorry state of affairs in pakistan. Sad.

Tariq Durrani Dec 20, 2014 12:17pm

Professor sahib: May you sustain the sincerity of purpose and realism with which you express your views and facts.

Ayesha Khan Dec 20, 2014 12:20pm

Brilliant and spot on as always !

But where do we begin as a people ... Who is going to take the reins ?alot is said but nothing is done ! How long & how many more carnages are we going to witness before a watershed situation ....

janan Dec 20, 2014 12:20pm

Let’s openly admit that the killers are not outsiders and they are the infidels of its own kind they are monsters.

Nina78 Dec 20, 2014 12:21pm

Thank you Sir. Finally someone who is brutally honest. We reap what we sow.I foolishly hope our people will change their mindset, but fear we will not.

Saravanan Dec 20, 2014 12:25pm

Very truly stated. If Pakistan could indeed follow such a path in future, the subcontinent would be a much better place to live!

Awais Dec 20, 2014 12:33pm

Rightly said.

Tariq Durrani Dec 20, 2014 12:39pm

@Siddhartha Shastri: Whoever said, "Truth is what you truly believe in".

Qamar Aftab Dec 20, 2014 12:40pm

Hoodbhoy, you are one of the very few I admire in Pakistan. Keep up the effort. We are with you.

JUSTICE Dec 20, 2014 01:04pm

Well said sir, Really he nailed the truth that everyone is having in their mind, wonderful article in recent times

The people of Pakistan should be blamed for this atrocities which is happening now and the leaders who has midguided the truth. We always points the finger on India or Afghanistan for every attack and never think that other four fingers are pointing towards us.

fouzia Dec 20, 2014 01:04pm

Excellent analysis. ..

Vimal Dec 20, 2014 01:05pm

Dear Pakistani friends, Dr. Hoodbhoy is an extremely courageous man. But there is only so much he can do as one lone solitary individual. If all of you who are commenting here stand up and spread his message across Pakistan, only then will Dr. Hoodbhoy's brave stand have any meaning. Reminds of the old Bob Marley song -

Get up, stand up, stand up for your right Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight Preacher man don't tell me heaven is under the earth I know you don't know what life is really worth Is not all that glitters in gold and Half the story has never been told So now you see the light, aay Stand up for your right. Come on

This is the time All Pakistani's MUST Stand up for their country. All the Best!

Shakeel Ahmad Dec 20, 2014 01:25pm

You mentioned different incidents of suicide attacks but forgot the attack & killing of innocent kids in Damadola Madrassah, you also forgot to praise children being killed daily in waziristan. Second thing is why you are accusing Mullah Muhammad Umer Mujahid & afghani taliban as they have nothing to do with any insurgency inside or against Pakistan.They are operating on their own land against a foreign usurper, In fact a holy war is being fought there.

Mohammed N Akbar Dec 20, 2014 01:26pm

I think, 911 was a game changer for USA, this massacre will be game changer for Pakistan. This incident has touched a nerve in every Pakistani, they are willing to face/take on these terrorists, public is ready to lynch them, they want to take matters in their own hands after politicians had failed them miserably.

K G Surendran Dec 20, 2014 01:33pm

Since voices of reason are not heard in Pakistan the terrorist menace will continue there and the people will continue to suffer as they are told to soldier on for the larger cause despite the massive tragedy in Peshawar. The ignorant masses are always used as cannon fodder.

aslam minhas Dec 20, 2014 01:50pm

Doctor Sahib: It took our patrons two and half decades to mass-produce these maniacs to do their dirty work outside our borders. Now their direction is inward. It might take more than that time to change the mindset. One Mullah here and there won't matter, it is the production factories of these bombers, seminaries which have to be seized immediately and converted into modern learning centers. Unless a crash program is launched preferably by the khakis for they know them best, we are done.

DR. MAHMOOD HUSAINI Dec 20, 2014 01:51pm

Take pictures of the terrorists who attacked the Peshawar school and publish them in every newspaper and display them over all television channel so that they may be identified.

Suren Singh Sahni Dec 20, 2014 01:53pm

Brilliant and impartial essay PH for clearing the cobwebs.

TAM Dec 20, 2014 01:54pm

Superb article once again. So lucidly explained and easy on the ear and mind.

Let us face it, the Mullahs were never in favor of the creation of Pakistan. But guess what, they believe they are the rightful owners now and rule the roost. And why: because we started giving them a firm platform and unabated importance since 1952, then their shameful elevation in 1974, which was sadly continued by the revered Zia.

Quite rightly, we need to change the mindsets through education. All citizens are equal. Keep religion as a personal relation between man and God.

This episode will soon be forgotten. Let us face it we do tend to have short memories. Killing a few terrorists here and there is not the answer. A wounded tiger gets even more dangerous.

Samad Chaudhry Dec 20, 2014 02:21pm

A great article and perhaps these politicians will learn something from this greatest tragedy in Pakistan instead of these Dharnas and fighting with each other.

SK Dec 20, 2014 02:24pm

Terrorism depends on its widespread publicity. Let us stop providing any coverage to any terrorist group and simply black out any news about the terrorists, their "leadership" and their "achievements" in the mainstream and even social media. Why does the public need to know who the terrorist "leaders" are and keep a scorecard of their "latest achievements". If all political parties and the civil society have indeed become united - let us all agree to give up part of our "freedom of the press". Let us entrust the political leadership and the law enforcers to deal with this one probem for now - while we starve the terrorists of the media attention they so deperately desire. (Of course this will have to be a temporary meaure with a sunset clause - so that it the strategy is reviewed/ rescinded in a couple of years.) Sponsors of terrorist acts pay their agents only upon proof of delivery of terrorism. Let us at least make it difficult for the perpretrators of terrorism to claim payment ofr their services!

Zeeshan Dec 20, 2014 02:37pm

@Shahzad you completely expressed my opinion. Imran is engaged in a practical struggle. If he will jump into politics with the same idealogy as of Mr. Pervez he will never survive. Our real enemy is the incompetent rulers. Due to their lack of credibility there had been military coups and mess all around. I also have full respect for Mr. Pervez. Dec 20, 2014 02:43pm

I am really surprised by the silence of Mr Imran Khan....I never visited Pakistan but I have seen reports on his Cancer Hospital and heard lots of praise about him. I am really sorry that I bear almost the same name.

The whole world is frustrated with Taliban..What are they..the invincible...or scapegoat of the Arms dealers/Superpowers?

Why UN works in Africa not in Afganistan?

Superpowers failed in Afganistan but their business of arms and drugs did not...because they want the issues to be kept alive with Talibans.

No mercy to the killers and the planners.

In the year 2005 when 11 Bangladeshi Soldiers were killed and slaughtered by the militias at Bunia,Congo the Pakistan battellion was assigned the task of cleansing and they really did it well, if I am not wrong about the fact.

Now its your own child slautered merciless and brutally...its your time to show how proffessional you are and I am sure you can.

Amran Khan Bangladesh

Fawad Asghar Dec 20, 2014 02:44pm

Totally spot on. One of the few people in Pakistan who is speaking the truth for so many decades now but most 'jaahil log' of Pakistan cant recognize that and term him as 'yahoodi agent'

saraz Dec 20, 2014 03:15pm

A Typical Taliban is poor youth who is denied decent educational opportunities by the society therefore he lands in a madressa for education. Or is thrown by his parents who just cant feed him and just cant afford to send him to a decent education. In Madressa he gets brain washed but thinks of starting his own family. He tries to find some work and struggles to make ends meet as labor worker because he just cant cash in the degree he gets from religious school. He fights with this and tries but gives up as he falls l into the hands of Taliban who are already looking for him-They are the money. He gets paid for his work with them and has some cause to live his life for-His brainwashing in madressa helps him get out of thoughts of mercy and humanity. So unless you don't address these typical determinants for Taliban recruitment you won't stop terrorism. You just cant change people's minds with what you proposed. Development is the main reply to this mammoth challenge. Schools, universities, play grounds and sports, hospitals and better employment opportunities are the solution.

MS Dec 20, 2014 03:23pm

Very very well written ! But Dr. why do you write such opinion? No one will listen to you, as someone said. You can make deaf listen but not the people who pretend to be deaf. In my humble opinion you should not speak/write but only meekly watch the house crumble from some place else that is safe. There is no place for people like you in the current state of affairs prevailing in your country.

sridhar Dec 20, 2014 03:32pm

At the least a soul searching should happen in Pakistan as to the direction they are heading.They must ask: who are our real enemies? Do we really have to fear India that much with a big nuclear arsenal (getting bigger every day and a strong Army? Is not this dastardly massacre of school children proof enough that our real enemies are within and that is where we have to focus our attention.

Shoaib Dec 20, 2014 03:35pm

A clear vision we need in Pakistan, but still people have their own confusions. I heard my heart's voice in your article and you know listening of these tones are very rare in this society, but we should continue to play our roles regardless all the mess and senseless noise.

Malik from Australia Dec 20, 2014 03:42pm

What a comprehensive analysis about terrorism in Pakistan, and that from a professor of physics to boot! Congratulations Professor Hoodhboy for the time you took out to write the article. Please keep up the good work. It is the contributions from people like yourself which leads one to believe that in spite of all the problems, Pakistan has a future. My best wishes and prayers will always be with you.

Jarrar Dec 20, 2014 03:57pm

Now thats what you call in punjabi: Gal 16 aaney theek keeti hai. Despite being a pti supporter, i strongly agree with the statements about Khan. He has a fanatic romance towards the pakhtuns who are responsible for what we are going through today. Bravo!

Suresh-a humanist Dec 20, 2014 04:16pm

I 100% agree with you. Time has come. All civil society should come together and liberate its homeland.

Indian lady Dec 20, 2014 04:33pm

I have been recently reading Prof. Hoodbhoy's writings and watching his speeches. He reminds me of Vidura - the honest and fearless minister of the blind and obdurate king Dritharashtra in Mahabharata.With his qualifications, he could have chosen - like countless others- to stay back in a nice tenured position in a top university in the US. Yet he not only serves his motherland by teaching the next generation, he also speaks fearlessly and relentlessly on public policy issues. I uses to wonder what the average civil Pakistani citizen thought - I am totally respectful of this fine Doctor. I wish him good luck and good health.

yaseen baloch Dec 20, 2014 04:41pm

very few people have the guts to write something good in pakistan. blackmailing people in the name of religion and pakistani nationalism is just another sort of stupidity. what truly matters is equality and peace which can only come from prosperity and secular values. states are made for people that they can live and thrive there otherwise state is nothing but something meaningless. these religious extremists are all over the country especially they are enjoying a free signal in balochistan to counter the baloch separatist groups. it is a self destructive policy and the sooner it stops, the better. i grieve the massacre of innocent children. as i am not very religious instead of prayers i hope the people in authority come up with a better strategy to avoid such heart-wrenching incidents in future.

Ahmed Dec 20, 2014 04:45pm

Dr. Hoodbhoy deserve kudos for such a clear & frank article.

Will Nawaz Sharif show some remorse & guts and sack Heads of Intelligence agencies , KPK & Federal Interior Ministers & replace with competent & qualified people. These people don't deserve perks & privileges from tax payers money.

Independent Dec 20, 2014 04:46pm

@Shakeel Ahmad : What is holy about fighting a war in Afghanistan against the US ? You call them "usurpers" - what are they going to usurp ? US considered the attack on 9 / 11 being perpetrated from Afghanistan by OBL from Afghanistan that is why they attacked Afghanistan and got entangled in it.

ShahrukhKhan Dec 20, 2014 04:50pm

I don't think that Pakistan takes advise of Pervez Hoodbhoy seriously. I have seen many Pakistanis see sane people like Pervez Hoodbhoy, Hassan Nissar etc. as traitor and India-america agent just because they are practical and talk sense and we Indians like them.

Ashraf Quli Dec 20, 2014 05:04pm

Very beautifully articulated article by Pervez Hoodbhoy, covers a broad spectrum of the religious frenzy and its resulting afflictions prevailing among the majority of the Muslim society in Pakistan and elsewhere.

javed khan Dec 20, 2014 05:19pm

@ShahrukhKhan Please don't compare Sir Hood bhahi with Hassan Nisar.....Hassan Nisar does not deserve this respect.....thanks

Pats Dec 20, 2014 05:44pm

I don't need to say anything more than what fellow commentators have said.

Ghulam Muhammed Dec 20, 2014 05:46pm

They are not fighting for Islam, or Muslims, or Pakistan as a Muslim or Islamic state. They are fighting for power or whatever they have at the moment or what they can hope to achieve. The earliest we take out the religion factor, the earlier we can see all the various contestants in naked colors. The more we see through the fog of esoteric ideologies, that blurs our vision, we cannot focus on the real strengths and weaknesses of the fighters on all sides. Peace will only be achieved when a common denominator of distribution of power is fashioned and offered.

ST Dec 20, 2014 05:47pm

An excellent article.

Zeeshan Dec 20, 2014 05:51pm

@Jarrar you are right brother Imran should forget Pukhtoons, Balochs and Sindhies. He should concentrate on Lahore only as the Sharif family is doing. This will iradicate terrorism completly from our country. I am a pukhtoon and doesn't need any education and mental development. This has to be provided to Punjabies only.

javed khan Dec 20, 2014 06:03pm

Excellent article. this is concise as possible without any obfuscation of the truth.

Hassan Dec 20, 2014 06:17pm

spot on. Nailed it

Stay safe. I worry for your safety.

Zaheer Dec 20, 2014 06:41pm

@observer Those who call Parvez Hoodbhoy jahil are themselves super super jahils

iaj Dec 20, 2014 06:46pm

Let it be clear. The fight against terrorism is going to be long and ugly. It is also going to be painful. But then there is no alternative. The menace will have to be tackled head on and will extract its price. The terrorists have tasted the blood of soft targets and they will be hit again and again to break the resolve. There is no police force in the world that can protect or prevent such attacks. We shall have to grit our teeth and move on with our resolve. Take a look at the neighbour. It had to bear the murder of two PMs- one in their fight against militants in Punjab and the second fight against Tamil militants in Tamilnadu. There is no shortcut and there is no alternative. The delay has already made the problem almost unsurmountable.Along with this the national narrative will have to be cleansed to prevent future recruits to the cause.

Mehboob Ali Lalani Dec 20, 2014 06:51pm

Excellent article. It is an eye opener. We should not run from the truth. Now, time is up to review our policies based on fear. We have to be realistic. There should be zero tolerance for the people preaching hatred, destroy peace and break laws of the land. Without complete compliance with the laws, the country will not progress or be place to live in.

usman ahmad Dec 20, 2014 06:59pm

excellent piece

Mobeen ur Rehman Dec 20, 2014 07:00pm

Well said Mr. Hoodbhoy, but I completely disagree on how we should accept this event as a mere statistic so shortly. I am reading this article while sitting in Rhode Island (very near Boston) in USA and I can tell you that this event has stirred more concern and sympathy here for Pakistan than any event before. Also in my opinion it is the media and the government's responsibility to milk this incident and not let people forget this tragedy. More than a year later Boston Marathon bombing is still an important topic on television here.

Victor V Gill Dec 20, 2014 07:03pm

Bold and right on the dot.

Azad Khial Dec 20, 2014 07:05pm

Dr Hoodbhoy, I am a long standing fan. Amidst the pandemonium yours is one of the few rational voices.

Imran Khan's animosity for and accusations against Dr Hoodbhoy, one of our few real scientists, and rationalists, is well known. I invite PTI friends to reflect upon their leader's objectivity, acumen, and pluralism if he can't even find common ground with someone as patriotic, honest and dedicated as Dr Hoodbhoy.

ash Dec 20, 2014 07:24pm

i agree about imran khan.. it looked very suspicious that he did not issue even a single statement condemning TTP... what's funny is that i feel he is trying to do a ukraine/euromaidan in pakistan-- claiming election fraud against a legitimately elected, even if not 100% popular, leader... what i want to know is what does pakistan have to offer in terms of geopolitical strategy to US/NATO, who might their targets be (apart from the obvious ones like india, china, iran and russia) and what might imran khan be getting in return for turning pakistan into ukraine part II? does anyone have any information on imran khan's fishy contacts in the british/european administration or major international banks??

Pali Dec 20, 2014 07:40pm

I generally disagree with Mr.Hoodhboy but I have to agree with him on this article .He hit the nail on the head.sometimes you have to agree with the obvious.if you want to find the murderors of our children we have to look in the mirror.

Rashid Sultan Dec 20, 2014 07:45pm

Here speaks a man of science candidly without fear. Is anyone listening? Has anyone the courage to sentence Qadri to hang? If not, now is the time for the State to do justice and terminate the murderer. Now is the time to repeal blasphemy law. Now is the time to make Pakistan simply The Republic of Pakistan replacing Zia's Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Now is the time to become inclusive and preach humanity. I suspect, like other mass killings of minorities and murders the Army Public School's tragic episode will soon be behind us and forgotten. And the misinformed religion inflamed terror will continue in spurts and starts. And our people will be too frightened to speak out against it as it done in the name of Islam.

Objectivist Dec 20, 2014 07:50pm

Absolutely on the dot, may i also add that people in afghanistan are also human being, lately when scores of football spectators died in Afghanistan most of them children, around hundred, none of our so called Islamic parties like the JI ever mentioned or even showed any remorse on the tragedy, if we wouldn't have sympathy or empathy for the people living next door how would you expect any in return, but still better late then never, Afghanistan is showing cooperation in hunting down the Taliban (good, bad or ugly what ever they may be). Reason and logic with a soft heart, kind and generous heart, is necessary for religion which our Islamic parties don't seem to have at all. All what they seem to be interested in is to create fear of the unknown, so that known could be forsaken

Ram Diwan Dec 20, 2014 07:56pm

I have always admired the editorial content along with brave and rational point of view of DAWN and its editors as compared to Indian Media houses. Bravo....good, honest and crisp editorial.

Krish Chennai Dec 20, 2014 08:05pm

Brilliant, Professor Sir, but one line in your article jarred - about the men who slaughtered the children had a dream — " to destroy Pakistan as a Muslim state and recreate it as an Islamic state " As far as I know from my interaction with people around, Muslims are those who follow the tenets laid down in Islam as a faith. The tragedy is that a minority have misinterpreted / radicalised / distorted, that faith to mean that others have to swallow it whole, or else. Admittedly this has been done by fringe groups from people who follow other faiths too, but since Muslims, ie, those who follow Islam as a faith, outnumber others in population globally, it is inevitable such "Muslims" would be the cause of such tragic incidents. Devil can quote scripture - any scripture. Introspection is called for.

kumar swami Dec 20, 2014 08:11pm

Long before such articles appeared in Dawn, this reader wrote several comments, making repeated statements in the same vein but Dawn always said that the comments are under moderation but dare not publish them. From the early years of partition of British India this Indian-American has followed the subcontinent politics and feel sad for the deteriorating half brother. The recent killing of children will make the people of Pakistan to force the government to rein in the mullahs and the religious fanatics and make the country safe and prosperous.

Avjed Iban Dec 20, 2014 08:42pm

Dream on

Murthy Dec 20, 2014 08:49pm

When politicians in Pakistan are adept at inventing conspiracy theories, finding scapegoats and making hate speeches, it is good to hear a sane voice stating facts without being muddled with religious bigotry. The author has given a true picture of the state of affairs in Pakistan without fuss, and this is how the world looks at Pakistan, whether the religious fanatics like it or not. As the professor has said, and rightly so, there is the danger of the Peshavar massacre not being enough to wake up Pakistan from fatal slumber.

K.R. Venugopal, India Dec 20, 2014 08:55pm

Integrity is about objectivity. Honesty is about courage. Prof. Hoodbhoy has lived all these values and this is not the first time he has spoken his conviction. The fact of the unanimous agreement that this article has drawn from many Pakistani citizens shows they share these values as well. Therefore, Prof. Hoodbhoy is not alone in his commitment. Many editorials, journalists and opinion columns in the Pakistan press in the past several days and even earlier have reflected these values. The Dawn is one great example People who believe in peace and the fraternity of all, wherever we live, need to support these brave men and women for the good of our region and the larger world. May their tribe increase.

skandan sivaramakrishnan Dec 20, 2014 08:55pm

There was a great freedom fighter of the sub continent called Khan abdul ghaffar khan. When asked about "Jehad" in 19980's, he told that it would be "fisad'. None listened to him. Now, the great man must be turning in his grave!

Raza Dec 20, 2014 09:00pm

Bravo professor! Time has come to take this tragedy and mobilize whole nation to unite and demand one and only thing: political and religious part leaders and including brave army delink themselves from terror groups who propagate religious intolerance.

Slogan: Action Now!

Zainab Dec 20, 2014 09:01pm

As always, you have spoken the truth, Pervez. It is a shame that these true facts will fall on deaf ears. Our leaders have always gotten by blaming these killings on "foreign agents", and more specifically on India, and unfortunately, the masses have swallowed their excuses. Unfortunately, you are correct in your assessment and prediction the after few days of this horrendous crime it will be forgotten just like others have in the past until a similar next carnage occurs and people will hear loud chorus of condemnation. We live in a nearly failed state and I hope that the slide towards anarchy ends some day, but until the mindset of Pakistanis changes, unfortunately, this will remain just a hope.

Madan Mehta Dec 20, 2014 09:24pm

Dear Professor Pervez, You are a real brave man, among several others in Pakistan, though a minute minority in absolute numbers. I fold my hands and bow to you, Sir, for your courage in speaking the ABSOLUTE TRTH. As one who was born from the soil of South Punjab, I feel the unbearable pain that my motherland is going through—perhaps more than any Pakistani. Though unrelated to this message, I also salute the Editor of Dawn for giving space to your piece. God bless.

Masood Haider Dec 20, 2014 09:29pm

Absolutely wonderful op-ed. Prof. Hoodbhoy not only points out the anti-state activities of the likes of Hamid Gul , Hamid Mir and Abdul Aziz but also rightfully brings out the glaring inability of the politician adored by millions to stand up firmly and unequivocally against the most bitter enemies of the state. How can IK lead Pakistan if he is in bed with these savages? Coddling terrorists is a dangerous game. As Hillary Clinton had told Pakistani officials in 2011 “you can’t keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors.” May Pakistani society see the wisdom of this statement.

JAY JOLLY Dec 20, 2014 09:36pm

It is good to hear the voice of sanity . Pakistan is lucky to have people like Prof.Parvez Hoodbhoy. Prof. Hoodbhoy has done much to spread rationality in Pakistan. Will the Army and the politicians listen to him? I doubt it. The parents will carry the pain for rest of lives but the general public will forget it soon. No lessons will be learned. The Army will keep nurturing the 'good' terrorists.

rana1 Dec 20, 2014 09:37pm

Sir,even the hanging of these few criminals is a game to calm the nation which now is baying for blood. Its like an old time story where in the arenas the kings knew how to keep the public happy by giving them what they were asking for at hour of need as long as they could remain secure on their seats.The government is surrounded by wolfs and cornered and the sheep are vulnerable.What it can do now to show that they are in control is hang what it has in its hold and make the dillusioned people happy.Very soon Pakistan will become Somalia,and dismembered.

Ratnesh Dec 20, 2014 09:52pm

Great article.May your tribe increase and may God keep you safe.

shuban khushu Dec 20, 2014 09:54pm

Prof.Pervez Hoodbhoy is a world renowed scientist.His brief about terrorism & Pakistan's dilemma of running with the hare & hunt for the hound is right on spot.The Pakistani society has been systematically radicalized drowning the saner voices of common Pakistani.It is time for every Pakistani to Awake , Arise or be fallen for ever.

Ratnesh Dec 20, 2014 10:01pm

@Anarchist IK may have become politically important only recently, yet he has been a political leader with a following for some time. He is role model for many. Hence what he says or does not say carries weight. In this area he leaves much to be desired

Shams Rehman Dec 20, 2014 10:14pm

Spot on analysis but the question is 'How to Change it?' Reading it in conjunction with Ayesha Siddiqa it seems that first challenge is to build that alternative narrative around which then all political and intellectual forces needs to come together and defeat the Talbani narrative from Afghanistan to Kashmir

Archimedes Dec 20, 2014 10:14pm

I found myself in total agreement with the Prof. Hoodbhoy but he has to tell us solutions. Military operations against a vicious doctrine is absolutely not a remedy, what we need is three pronged strategy, Military engagement, revamping of religious education methodologies and abolition of privately owned Madrassas.

Lara zuberi Dec 20, 2014 10:40pm

Couldn't agree more. More people need to think this way.

GK Natarajan Dec 20, 2014 10:41pm

happy to see the article from the professor telling the truth! hope majority of intelegentia in pakisthan,will agree with his views! if for a period of 5years, pak. and india, put aside kashmir problem[moratorium], and status quo maintained and pakisthaan, stop using thier land for harbouring terrorists who attack india, in the name of islam, there can be useful talks on co-operation between the 2 countries in the field of economics, education,science, arts and culture,and sports;hatred towards each other leaves us poorer ,compared to developed nations! end of the daaay, in this co-operation, pak. will benifit more than india!? since it can open up, to,pak.huge market of 400million middleclass people in india! we hope for the best.

yogi Dec 20, 2014 10:51pm

One of the best article I have came across. Author is futuristic. Knows reality and whats best for pakistan. Appreciate your stand sir, people like you can make wonders. Keep yourself safe. Good luck sir.

yogi Dec 20, 2014 11:06pm

I appreciate author and DAWN for publishing this bold article. Good days ahead if people of pakistan live in reality. Stop riding white tiger. Live, realise and fight reality.

Dr Amin Zamani Dec 20, 2014 11:13pm

So refreshing that there are people who can put forward the truth in a country like Pakistan, where journo's and politicians always have doubel agenda's. As Afghans we salute his honesty. This is exactly we like the Pakistanis to understand what is wrong. Please let it not be another 'Peshawar' to make you understand his points.

MA Dec 20, 2014 11:13pm

Professor, it is not what you say but how you say it!! You did not tell Americans after 9/11 that it was not the last atrocity, neither you told this to India. It is good to be realistic but it is more necessary to be compassionate. The country needs unity and consensus to get out of this and your this writing is not very helpful regarding that.

Rais Dec 20, 2014 11:24pm

Correct analysis by Prof.Hoodbhoy, I am absolutely certain that it's high time we wake up . Clean up his country from this menace with a religious cloak. It would not be out of place to go back and some thought to what Gen. Mussharaf was trying to do, but we went in our lopsided politics in ousting him. Let's be graceful enough to give him some credit for trying to do what we are planning to do now.

Raja Raman Dec 20, 2014 11:54pm

Spot on.It's time to discard militancy (they are NOT assets, they are the biggest liabilities) and focus on "Peace and Development" instead. This region had paid heavy price, due to fanatic fringe elements. Just compare Singapore-Malaysia with India-Pakistan, Overall progress and standard of living there is far ahead than the sub-continent. It's time to wake up...

Uzair Dec 20, 2014 11:55pm

Sir, you have identified pretty valid reasons for the dilemma which the Pakistani State faces today. There is no such concept as"Good" or "Bad" taliban. Both are extremists and are proponents of the same radical ideology. State apparatus must be utilized to indiscriminately target all factions that are not only against the Pakistani state but those who possess threat to neighboring nations such as Afghanistan and India. Let it be Jhangvi or Janduallah or whatever, Pakistan needs to cleanse its territory and get rid of these radicals. However, in the long term, it is quite necessary to change the mindset of the populace through reforming education, improving socio-economic conditions and public awareness campaigns.

shdab Dec 21, 2014 12:05am

@Thoughtful kindly refer to Khan's twitter account where he condemned TTP for Peshawar attacks.

Asad Dec 21, 2014 12:50am

It is pertinent to note--as emphasized by Dr. Hoodbhoy--that we live in a state of denial about the real cause of such incidents i.e. our confused mindsets and sympathy for terrorists; so it wasn't the final atrocity. Once again great article by Dr Hoodbhoy...

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 01:17am

@Mohammed Abbasi Its called 'turning the other cheek'. Remember Neville Chamberlain! The world knows what triggered Hitler and the nuclear age!

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 01:27am

@javed Iqbal Even if we fight this war in the judiciary as America has attempted, experience clearly shows that all state solutions have inevitably proven themselves completely impotent. Nothing less than a 'cultural' war is called for particularly when we don't have time on our side.

Zhk Dec 21, 2014 02:00am

Great piece. Thank you for this. Is a secular Pakistan a solution? a possibilty? the chemotherapy?

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 02:00am

@BRR True. Pioneers (remember: 'nothing ventured, nothing gained') are few in the realm of knowledge as elsewhere.

Poor Richard Dec 21, 2014 02:06am

We do not need infidels to come from outside to murder our children, we have home-grown infidels who openly flaunt their brand of vicious bigotry under the auspices of our lawmakers, the police, the intelligence agencies, the custodians of our holy masajid and the silent public at large, who only want to steer away from harm's way. Well, harm's way has finally made it into our very homes...where are we going to hide now?

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 02:06am

@PatelD Governments are made by humans, not angels.

M.Alam Dec 21, 2014 02:43am

Strongly agree than disagree with Dr. Hoodbhoy. Thank you for this article. It has been almost a week since this tragic event. Where is the response of government? Setting up merely a committee (we have seen outcomes of such committees in the past) and hanging few terrorists is not a solution. It is high time that government takes holistic approach to deal with this national cancer.

Khalid Pathan Dec 21, 2014 03:50am

Sir, you are spot on just as in the past. Double standards of our policy makers rulers and those who matter have brought this country to witness this tragedy in Peshawar. I wish that this will be the last one, though I know that I hope against hope.

Patriot Dec 21, 2014 04:04am

Well said and written. "And then they came for me and no one was left to save me". If you let first bad thing to flourish then more bad things will be born and flourish. Regardless of their origin and religion, this extremist ideology must be eradicated. Now who and how? That will be answered only if civil society will say NO to this ideology.

Saifur Rahman Dec 21, 2014 04:08am

Brilliant as always Mr Hoodbhoy. Your call actually is to build the Pakistan which Jinnah dreamed of. Did he not say after Independence, “You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”

Satyendra Sah Dec 21, 2014 04:26am

This article is one of those articles for which I follow Dawn. I can only hope and pray that more people like him rise up, speak up and be counted in Pakistan while keeping themselves safe too. Sir, may your tribe grow. All hope for Pakistan is not gone as long as people like you are residing there and speaking up against injustices and hypocrisy.

Jfk Dec 21, 2014 05:01am

Very well said. Ram yeh to Rahman tum ho Yeh hai kartar to john tum ho Par yeh kabhi na bhulo Sabse pehlay to insaan tum ho Pyaar bantay challo From a song by kishore kumar

Hakim Dec 21, 2014 05:01am

A sane voice in dark times.

Hope you stay safe and keep serving mankind.

Dovid Dec 21, 2014 05:14am

Pakistan needs a leader like Hoodbhoy !!!

mehreenluna Dec 21, 2014 05:18am

There is still hope for Pakistan if there are a few people like this author who are sane and wise- and can dare to speak the truth in this country of such people who can only be called ignorant at best and evil at worst

افغان ميهن Dec 21, 2014 05:24am

Mr. Hoodhboy you are a voice of reason and your narrative is a clarion call to all those that are in denial.

mehreenluna Dec 21, 2014 05:24am

And now I imagine- the supporters of the icon of the millions of immature minds- which I believe is the best description I have seen yet of Imran Khan- will send millions of curses and arguments to this excellent man

Syed A. Kazmi Dec 21, 2014 05:24am

Thanks for speaking truth. This is the true picture. One thing you did not mention "N" League came into power with Taliban help. They coined "Good Taliban" & "bad taliban" then started 'Negotiations" as delaying tactics. It was the cold blooded salughter of those Army / FC personnel by Taliban, followed by videos of Taliban playing foot ball with their heads and throwing their bodies on the road with video posted on internet that hasterned the Army action other wise Civil Government was not willing to take any action against their "Terror Asset". Salute your courage to speak truth.

Sanjay Dec 21, 2014 05:30am

Sir, As I am also a Physics teacher, i can understand that such a candid views on the problem of terrorism can come from a Physicist. Not an iota of hypocracy. Calling spade a spade. The majority of problems can be solved by merely sending the mindset. But why this is so difficult and easy to kill innocents? Even predators in the wild have killed mother but have safeguarded progenies/ babies. Sir we indians support you in your endeavour.

S.Malik Dec 21, 2014 06:07am

Time for the people of Pakistan to revisit their mindset to treat everybody equally even those who have a faith different than mainstream. Preachers must stop hatred based on religion to create harmony in the society. Prof. Hoodbhoy, nice article as usual.

Kalimullah Dec 21, 2014 06:28am

What about the military experts who come on tv and spout cooked-up conspiracy theories and generally speak in support of these murderous terrorists? Some of them have held the highest rank in the agencies. Shame on them to pretend nothing happened.

Raju Shah Dec 21, 2014 06:36am

Dr. Hoodbhoy truly deserves his Dr and Professor title. Only handful of people like him are left behind. I remember his logical refutation of water car nonsense. Everyone thought he was paid of by foreign forces. Now it is clear the water car is an utter fraud.

Nawaz A Minhas. Dec 21, 2014 06:39am

I am 70 years old. When I was in high school I always used to argue that instead of blaming others for our woes, we should first correct ourselves and make ourselves and our system impregnable by others. My logic was always brushed aside with comments that " you don't know ". These were the comments that I continued to hear from people who matter in politics and establishments, until today even after about 50 years. After reading his articles, a true Pakistani can never say that "Pervez Hoodbhoy does not understand ". Pakistanis like him should be made a part of National Policy making at the highest level, if we wish to see Pakistan as a progressive model Muslim state. Pervez Hoodbhoys views have always been sincere, accurate and worthy of consideration at any national forum.

Muhammad Atique Dec 21, 2014 07:29am

Wonderful analysis. More than enough to open the eyes of the moderate thinker. I wish and pray that they understand and think about those three key facts which you mentioned in this article.

Deepak Pandit Dec 21, 2014 07:58am

Pleasently surprised to see a such a sane view point from Pakistan. Based on what is seen of Pakistan's participants in Indian talkshows this view point is never presented . There is hope yet both for Paksitan and India Pakistan relationship

NT Dec 21, 2014 07:59am

@Zeeshan I agree with both Shehzad and Zaashan and feel bad for Hoodbhoy for missing this vary point and now causing more harm by blaming Imran khan.

Kate Dec 21, 2014 09:37am

Thank you Professor Hoodbhoy for stating things as they are. If a fraction of Pakistani leadership and public thought like you there would be peace between India and Pakistan!

Jishnu Dec 21, 2014 10:49am

Straightforward. People with narrow, short term view will find faults with this view.

Man seeking right to live Dec 21, 2014 10:49am

@salman Salute to Mr. Pervez Hoodbhoy. Soul touching truth and can wake up the conscience of many minds not only in Pak, as well across south Asia (India, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Afgan, Uzbek) and west Asia.

Gulrukh Dec 21, 2014 11:10am

Not to mention the students lost in SBK, Khuzdar Eng. University and Buitems ...

Pervez Dec 21, 2014 11:26am

The likes od Hamid Mir, are present in every organisati and civil society. A sense of holiness and self rightousness pervades sinceZia's time. Actually it is sure sign of collective impotence. A lot of Arabs feel the same becuase wrong history has been taught at schools. Even the likes of AQ khan, a n engineer and rational mind also goes into hyperole.

Atif Dec 21, 2014 11:57am

Gre8 Hoodboy, i m follow u last couple of year U n Altaf Hussain have same instance or on same page. massacre in Peshawar’s Army Public School n before events were shake the entire nation but every time talban apologist leaders again active lobbies they try to creates dialogue environment.

zahida Dec 21, 2014 12:58pm

Thank you sir! I got some relief of my swollen heart after reading it. I wish the whole nation could have the approach to read this article but not..of course. Few of the frustrated people read these articles for the catharsis, but not the majority that is called the nation.

crayoz Dec 21, 2014 01:44pm

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. ~Martin Niemöller~

Just replace them with Ahamedis, Christians, Hazara and Shia etc.

vidyut Dec 21, 2014 01:57pm

Very wise words, i hope your redearship increases. If 26/11 opened the Indian muslims eyes then Peshawar should open the Pakistani muslims eyes.

Abdullah Dec 21, 2014 02:00pm

Sir if you ran for office, I would vote for you.

Imran Dec 21, 2014 02:47pm

Let's agree they are not outsiders or infidels and work to fight the ideology as opposed to the people who embody/represent it. Indeed. Sound policy. But effective in the long term. What are the short terms measures to abate the menace?

'An eye for an eye is not enough' - another article worth reading. Further expands on the solutions presented here.

p r sharma Dec 21, 2014 04:12pm

@Mohammed Abbasi - Had an ordinary school attacked ( God forbid)instead of the Army School would the reaction equivalent and forceful ? reactions in past incidents were mute. No offence please.

p r sharma Dec 21, 2014 04:36pm

@Shakeel Ahmad ---- But TTP is also claiming that they are the purest of Muslims and are fighting the holy war to implement Sharia in toto. By your logic can they be condemned . They too have quoted Hadith which is interpreted by them to justify their action. Civil society call these interpretation as distorted and pervasive. By your logic IS too is fighting a Holy war. . they also say that enslaving the infidel is justified and they too quote the Hadith. Rigidity in values leads to such conclusion while values have undergone many changes since last 1400 years.

Saleem Malik Dec 21, 2014 04:54pm

Brilliant articles. Of course the litmus test for the army to show a policy change is to abandon Taliban and make peace wit India. In that case army will let the civilian government to stay and strengthen itself. But all this is easy saying than doing. it is very unfortunate that no such signs are in view.

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 05:23pm

@ROHIT PANDEY I don't think it is going to be beneficial for anybody to single out the Pakistani state as a black sheep amongst states particularly when the world is thinking along very different lines by making sure we don't hide behind scapegoats and I would advise you to kindly explore the Center for a Stateless Society.

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 05:53pm

Politics is one of the outlets for class warfare. Imran and Nawaz are catering to the votes of the lower echelons of the security establishment. Cultural outlets are called for.

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 06:22pm

Rather than treat the symptom it is more in the nature of prevention to treat the cause of a malady.

Keti Zilgish Dec 21, 2014 07:02pm

@Vimal thanks for the Bob Marley quotation. Respects.

gary Dec 21, 2014 07:36pm

@vidyut Very unlikely.

jawaid Dec 21, 2014 10:27pm

This mess has to cleaned up,bring the army back, if the civilian gov can not do the job. and get rid of these sick organizations, Ban the Mullahs from giving hatred sermons,separate the religion from the state.Its the gov responsibility to provide security and justice for everyone of any faith.

Rais Dec 21, 2014 10:32pm

I fully endorse Dr. Hoodbhouy's analysis. About time we get down to serious business, and wipe outthink menance. These so called militants are nothing but rabble rousers taking the cover of religion.its a shame that they have been allowed to do so.

zahida Dec 21, 2014 11:23pm

Fantastic article sir!

Keti Zilgish Dec 22, 2014 05:36am

As much as I liked Imran (Khan) for his determination and ingenuity in cricket I am against endeavors (business, social, political, whatever) that encourage competition at the expense of mutual aid.

Mohammad Irfan Alam Dec 22, 2014 08:51am

Hoodbhoy is off the mark when he states that there is no outside patronage to things happening in Pakistan. Maybe it never occurred to him that as long as Pakistan continues with the ominous American shadow over its internal affairs, it will bleed. Maybe he didn't hear the words,"Full Spectrum Dominance", which has become a fad with the chicken hawks at Capitol Hill. Under this nefarious program, every Muslim nation, right from Libya to Pakistan, has been savaged by those who have seen the bottom fall out of their almighty dollar hegemony? Can one recall the Pakistani nation ever behaving in such a berserk manner during the 66 years or so, of its existence? That it continues to do now? People like Hoodbhoy would like every Pakistani to carry the albatross of a failed nation, which it certainly isn't! Hope sane Pakistani's see through this game of self-genuflection, which the West would like to instil in them, through people like Hoodbhoy. The international media, as well as some sections of the Pakistani media, never bother to label Pakistan as the,"Epicenter", of terrorism! One wonders whether outstanding alumni of the greatest terrorist madarsa at Langley, learned their ropes? They surely did it at the Langley madarsa! Hope it ever dawned on Hoodbhoy?!!!

Meena Qayyum Dec 22, 2014 09:05am

Very well written article - until your political bias crept in! I confess, I always expect more from people of your calibre. As an analyst, I think personal biases should be left aside. This article raises some excellent points, but by blaming it all on Imran Khan and his party, you have effectively excluded the role of militants in other provinces (reality check - they are everywhere!), and their political alignment with the ruling parties there. Also, this problem has existed and been nurtured for years and years before the PTI ever came into power in KP. A humble request for some fairness please - exclusive blame is not going to work - everyone that is accountable should be if we are going to fix this.

Neil Dec 22, 2014 09:40am

First thing Pakistan should agree is stop breeding terrorists who kill others. Ban those people who nurture terrorists. Accepts multi religion of the world. Else Pakistan is doomed.

Azmeen Dec 22, 2014 12:57pm

An excellent analysis.

rehan Dec 22, 2014 01:29pm

Secularist extremism is no less dangerous that Religious extremism.

Kamran Dec 22, 2014 02:24pm

We have hope till we people like you.

Mahfooz Ahmad Shahid Dec 22, 2014 06:07pm

Assalamo Alekum,

It is admirable to criticize in media to finish terrorism from its roots, thanks and continue

Regards, Mahfooz

Iftikhar Khan Dec 22, 2014 11:56pm

Can anyone post link to the video he has referred.

TZaman Dec 23, 2014 02:16am

Ataturk! Ataturk!. Pakistan needs someone like Ataturk. Who is brave enough and have guts to give us freedom of Radicalized Islam, which is not the religion Islam.

Khan Dec 23, 2014 12:28pm

Bravo, I am glad to view the truth in this article, it gives me hope that there are many other who still think as I do. If the establishment does not avail this opportunity to eradicate Terrorism, I am sure time will come, that no one would believe Army and would consider them nothing but menace in the society.

Ziauddin Dec 24, 2014 03:59am

Well done! Thought provoking ......

UncleSAM Dec 24, 2014 11:34am

Pervez Sahab very well thought article. Some points 1) Lakki Marwat suicide bombing killed 105 who were against Taliban 2) Double suicide attack killed 96 Hazaras, mainly Shia's at a snooker club 3) 127 dead in the All Saints Church bombing, Christians 4) 117 Shia's were selectively killed

So did Pakistani's did nit react the way they are reacting now? I could think of 2 reasons. 1) This time they killed their childrens and yes everyone love lil ones. No doubt about it. But remember all those killed earlier were also someone's childrens, Son, daughter, Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, Friends, near and dear ones.

2) They were all non Sunni's.

You may beat me up for this but thats what it looks like. All my educated Muslim friends feel bad for Palestine but none, yes not a single talks a word against ISIS. I ask WHY?

Munir Kakar Dec 24, 2014 06:38pm

Our establishment have been lending listening ears to ignorant mullahs and the horrible outcome is for everyone to see. Now is the time to listen to a scientist -a sane voice which should be heard.