Madressah leaders condemn Peshawar carnage with a ‘but’
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ISLAMABAD: Leaders of the union of 15,000 religious schools in the country on Thursday joined the nation in condemning the massacre of schoolchildren in Peshawar - but with a warning.
“We condemn the Peshawar incident and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. But we will not allow anyone to target our students or madaris in the garb of a crackdown,” deputy secretary general of Wafaqul Madaris al Arabia, Qazi Abdul Rasheed, told a press conference here.
He was flanked by Maulana Abdul Ghaffar, administrator of Jamia Fareedia, and Maulana Zahoor Alvi, the administrators of Jamia Mohammadia where the press conference was held.
Maulana Abdul Aziz of the redoubtable Lal Masjid was conspicuous by his absence, the journalists covering the event noted.
“We never stood for terrorism, or do today,” declared Qazi Rasheed and openly invited the authorities to bring to the Wafaqul Madaris “any complaint they may have against any madrasa affiliated with us.”
Asked for comments on the lifting of moratorium on death penalty, he said, “There is no role for the government in this matter in Islam.”
“Only the kins of the victims can pardon the killer with or without blood money,” he added.
Published in Dawn, December 19th, 2014
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Dec 19, 2014 11:16am
Two face or what ! They should be arrested and thrown in prison.
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Dec 19, 2014 11:22am
If any BUT, then these are terrorists.
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Dec 19, 2014 11:22am
The apologists and friends of Taliban are terrorists and child killers too. These monsters are complicit!
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Dec 19, 2014 11:23am
Where is the "but" in the news? Or did your reporter smelled a "Gullo But" in the news item?
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Dec 19, 2014 11:43am
@Amanullah Khan If you read the fourth line of the news item, you will find the "but"
“We condemn the Peshawar incident and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. BUT we will not allow anyone to target our students or madaris in the garb of a crackdown,”
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Dec 19, 2014 11:43am
@Amanullah Khan "We condemn the Peshawar incident and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. BUT we will not allow anyone to target our students or madaris in the garb of a crackdown,”
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Dec 19, 2014 11:45am
Sensible reply.
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Dec 19, 2014 11:48am
Its time to declare war against Taliban and anyone supporting them in any way should be declared traitor and dealt like an enemy.
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Dec 19, 2014 11:55am
Islam is a peaceful
Religion and mullah use it to control people
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Dec 19, 2014 11:58am
Even if they condemn without any BUT I still don't trust them. See their stance warning people, not to mess with them..
Time has come that nation should get together and get rid of these madrassas and use these places for proper education with proper teachers not these extremist. They are getting money from some where if it is for good purpose it will continue if it is to promote extremism it.is.better to close them for ever.
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Dec 19, 2014 11:59am
While a terrorist must be persecuted without any sympathy, no innocent person be harmed. Killing an innocent to avenge murder of an innocent is not justice. Let us not be mislead by vested interests of the enemies of Pakistan or Islam.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:01pm
There is not BUT in condemning the attacks, they condemned it. Please read the complete news first before declaring anyone terrorist.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:02pm
Can we make Wafaq ul Madaris a part of Ministry of Education?
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Dec 19, 2014 12:02pm
Terrorist sympathisers are terrorists themselves.........no ifs and no buts.e
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Dec 19, 2014 12:05pm
@Amanullah Khan I just cut and paste for you "We condemn the Peshawar incident and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. But we will not allow anyone to target our students or madaris in the garb of a crackdown,”. In simple words who ever shady person is hiding in our madaris, is not for grab. Can you see the BUT now?
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Dec 19, 2014 12:11pm
We condemn the Peshawar incident and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. But we will not allow anyone to target our students or madaris in the garb of a crackdown,”
poor journalism... there is nothing unusual in the statement. just rephrase the statement and it becomes what we as Pakistanis say to the rest of the World everyday.
"We condemn the Terrorism and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. But we will not allow anyone to target our citizens or cities of our country in the garb of a crackdown,”
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Dec 19, 2014 12:12pm
I ask all my friends who are coming up in defense of maulavis and madarssahs. Are these institutions made for good of common man or they have been made to defend the indefensible. Those putting 'ifs' and 'buts' in narrative may defend their rights and rights of their own but before doing so, they should remember those mothers and father who have lost their children. Lives gone are gone forever therefore to prevent such things happening in future restraining a few may become necessary. My heart still bleeds for those little souls. There should not be any if and but now.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:18pm
We condemn the terrorists BUT you cannot take away the breeding grounds!
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Dec 19, 2014 12:21pm
Good sign that they are worried of attacks by govt. Things starting to change.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:22pm
So no condemnation of the TTP by name Arabic speaking Who but the Madrassas teach and speak Arabic they hid and give support to Terrorists so making sure no raid
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Dec 19, 2014 12:24pm
No ifs or buts all madaris must have Govt. approved curriculum ... Any madaris preaching hate, or violence, must be shut down and the owners should be prosecuted under terrorist act.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:29pm
@Amanullah Khan "We condemn the Peshawar incident and will pray for the departed souls on Friday. BUT we will not allow anyone to target our students or madaris in the garb of a crackdown,”
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Dec 19, 2014 12:38pm
15000 madaris that loot people in the name of false fatwas and coercion. Where their funding comes from? These are the places where enemy of Islam and Pakistan sit together and plan the death of innocent people.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:44pm
Don't throw baby out with the bath water. Catch the "real" culprits with or without beards. Don't just go after anyone who looks like them. There is anger and lots of it but don't lose the sense of justice because of this anger. Don't we preach same to Western countries .... Don't blame all muslims for the action of few!
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Dec 19, 2014 12:47pm
Please read carefully. There is no real "but" in the condemnation. Their fear is natural that they will be victimized. Let them speak for themselves. The state should objectively check their madressahs. If they are involved, they be penalized. If not, should not be harassed unnecesarily.
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Dec 19, 2014 12:59pm
Weapons must not be allowed in madrissas
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Dec 19, 2014 01:19pm
Isnt Imran Khan who always said the Shia killing by these terrorist was due to war on terror...isnt he the guy who always used multiple ifs and buts while condemning the act...He still has not openly come out and said all u talibans Lashkar-e-Jhangvi i will drag you on streets and put you in Jail...he said this for the Police officials who arrested PTI workers but not for the Talibans...why?
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Dec 19, 2014 01:48pm
He is right we should not generelize that all maddaris are breeding ground for terrorists there are some goods ones also
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Dec 19, 2014 01:54pm
There will be no crackdown. These madaris have become too powerful a group to be bothered by the death of a few dozen children. What should happen is either the realignment of these hubs of fanaticism and total submission to the rule of law, or the complete shutdown of all unregulated religious seminaries. There should be a complete overhaul of the syllabus and put in place a strong audit oversight of these radicalized institutes. If allowed to continue to function these maulvis should be out on a very very short leash. One slight misstep should lead to these maulvis indefinite solitary confinement.
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Dec 19, 2014 02:25pm
These hate mongers must be stopped!
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Dec 19, 2014 02:27pm
@Shahzad Ahmed Yeah.... there r some good muslims also!!!
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Dec 19, 2014 02:28pm
Madrassas must be regularized. Their curriculum must be controlled. There is no other option if we want to live in peace.
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Dec 19, 2014 02:28pm
@Riaz very good suggestion.
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Dec 19, 2014 02:30pm
Indians are condemning terrorist attacks in Pakistan, while Pakistani themselves are not sure whether to condemn or not.
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Dec 19, 2014 02:31pm
There should NOT be ANY 'weapons' or 'weapon training' imparted at these madaris. The people of the locality on whose DONATIONS these madaris are run MUST stop their funding if they find any militarist activity.
We in our simplicity think that these so called guardian of Islam are doing a good service but they are what they are - - .
We have seen Lal Masjid about seven years back, were they lovers of Islam, what all that arms and ammunition was doing in Lal Masjid and we still call them good Muslims - shame on us all
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Dec 19, 2014 02:46pm
Shut them down completely. They're poisioning the mind of the next generation.
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Dec 19, 2014 02:50pm
These Maulanas will be the death of Pakistan
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Dec 19, 2014 03:00pm
We need to rid our country from Zia and his terrorist
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Dec 19, 2014 03:49pm
@Riaz
No the Madressas were separated from the state as part of Separation of Religion and State or simply Secularism.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:50pm
time to purge
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Dec 19, 2014 03:51pm
The Madrases have a lot to answer for. They are the main architects of the terrorist ethos in the country.
If they are honest they should declare the source of their income.
All Saudi money is destroying the decent values of the society. If they are going to heaven then I for one would not want to go there.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:33pm
@Queen
The But in that paragraph is not connected with condemnation, it is simply saying dont use this as a pretext to target innocent students studying in the madaris.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:42pm
too little too late.... Unless policy maker makes Pakistant a secular nation... till then a long tough time ahead for Pakistan...
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Dec 19, 2014 04:56pm
any person i met who belongs to madressah or mullah in any way (other than ppl who go to mosque to offer prayer), believe me they have distorted the image and soul of Islam in all the meanings they possibly could. all of them interpret Islam as they wish. they applied the only those point to themselves whoever pleases their objective. shame i wish their childrens should be among those who lost their lives only then they would tell us what is right and what is wrong.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:58pm
and my appeal to all indians who jump here every time tragedy hits pakistan: let the mumbai attack talk leave for some other time. pain we are feeling here is beyond comprehension and m sure you guys there are also in the state of shock but please dont take this event as an opportunity to make us contemplate that had pakistan army addressed your concerns then this tragedy would'nt have taken place. while we appreciate you guys standing with us at this time but we dont appreciate you standing with us with the placard that reads your mumbai concerns.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:09pm
@rohit950723
price being paid because policymakers were being late as they have plethora of 'buts'
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Dec 19, 2014 05:34pm
We should close ALL Madaris. They serve absolutely no useful purpose in society and deprive children of a proper and useful education. No more madaris of any sect has to be the only solution for a prosperous pakistan.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:36pm
@Riaz I really like this idea and requests the authorities to do it asap in the supervision of REAL ullemas of Pakistan and other countries. We should mot let the administrators of the maddressahs to teach whatever they want. Please do it now.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:38pm
@Sudhanshu Swami Indians should condemn Indian state terror in Kashmir, that is what we expect from them, otherwise do not disturb us here.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:41pm
@SK this is how they reported, purposely. If you read full news you can feel it that the reporter tried to mislead the reader by combining the two different statement. They didn't say BUT this was the reason.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:46pm
@Sudhanshu Swami My nation was very grateful when Indians condemn the Peshawar terrorist incident. By commenting like this, you are reversing those good feelings about Indians. I am sure you are not innocent you know it very well that most of these Taliban are financed by who.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:51pm
Maulivis and Maddrassahs are not the religion ISLAM. By removing Maulvis and Maddrasaahs nothing will happen to ISLAM. We had enough of this disjointed, dysfunctional, inhuman version of the ISLAM which is not the truth actually. ISLAM means peace and security. Is this PEACE?
PM Nawaz must annouce the closure of all Maddarassahs, and then open them under Provincial Education ministry. All Maulivis should be licensed to practice religious rituals, only after graduating of universities or colleges under the existing undersities.
Ban all religious polictical parties. Either preach or do politics. Not both.
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Dec 19, 2014 05:53pm
SHUT down these Madrasas all around the country.
Who knows what is happening behind close doors of Madrasas
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Dec 19, 2014 05:54pm
Shut down all Madrasas
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Dec 19, 2014 05:58pm
Let's call them Indians now as they are against us.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:17pm
If Pakistan does not stand against these guys they will be coming with their but and butts . They will give you sell you conspiracy theory. Its for you to decide what to do with them.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:20pm
these mullahs are the ones who breed extremism in our society
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Dec 19, 2014 06:25pm
Who died and made you king? The state has absolute authority.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:26pm
The Govt has two choices regarding madhrasas. Either eliminate them altogether or properly regulate them. As is they are fanatic producing factories. Only qualified scholars should be allowed to teach the state approved syllabus.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:37pm
@AA well comment
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Dec 19, 2014 06:52pm
What is a civil society? They are civilians!
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Dec 19, 2014 06:56pm
Appeal to Pakistani media, please stop differentiating between social classes by using terms like 'civil society'. If they are poor uneducated types, they are called people or 'awaam' but if they are educated upper middle class then they are members of civil society?
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Dec 19, 2014 06:58pm
If religious talim is a must in Islam incorporate that in a school.Ban all medrassahs .If Muslim students want to learn their religious teachings let it be in a better environment .The teacher should be under strict supervision.Should not indoctrinate kids according to his version.If there is a difference in faith,that should be taught by parents what they believe in.Do away with jehad factories.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:59pm
All Madaris should be reformed to bring them in line with the rest of the educational institutions and no one should be allowed to operate one without the approval of Ministry of Education. The operator of these Madaris should face stiff punishment if they violate teaching guidelines. This should be done right away before the evils start raising their voices again.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:59pm
The civil society needs to play its role and condemn any glorification of these terrorists on all forums, be it in mosques, on TV, in private conversations, etc. If a mullah starts to glorify a terrorist in a mosque, people should stand up and challenge him. The media needs to do its job responsibly as well and should not allow bigots like Amir Liaqat air time even if it means loss of revenue. There is no silver bullet to tackle this issue, it needs to be attacked from different directions.
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Dec 19, 2014 06:59pm
Government is responsible to provide justice. All those guilty must be punished but keep in mind not all of them are guilty!
Thats what he is trying to say. While we don't have any place for religious extremists in our country, there should be no place for liberal extremists either.
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Dec 19, 2014 07:37pm
Madrassas should be under the government, so that prompt complete inspections can take place. No one has the right to take away our children and brainwash them against the state or any other religion.
The child belong to Pakistan
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Dec 19, 2014 07:51pm
@Shahzad Ahmed . It will be hard to differentiate between good and bad madressahs. Shut them all. Religious education should be carried out by government schools and the curriculum approved by government.
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Dec 19, 2014 07:51pm
Friends of Talibans can NOT be friends of Pakistan and Pakistanis. Anyone claiming to be friends of the Talibans in Pakistan needs to be taken to courts and his involvement in these murders established. I am sure with today's technologies, we can establish their connections to Talibans in less than an hour. Let us clean our Pakistan and get rid of these terrorists. We have had enough. Just enough. No ifs no buts, just get rid of them and do it NOW.
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Dec 19, 2014 07:55pm
Ministry of education should take over these Madaris immediatly . Let the Mullahs find jobs for their living like other Pakistanies.
If Saudi Arabia or other so called well wishers want to help they should send money to the Ministry of Education and not to these. IT IS NOW OR NEVER.
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Dec 19, 2014 07:58pm
@TZaman brother you stole my words. Completely agree with you.
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Dec 19, 2014 08:41pm
WOW 15,000 Maderassah in Pakistan that is scary. Establish regular schools for the children. Poor people send their kids to these schools because Govt. is not providing education facilities to these students.
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Dec 19, 2014 09:33pm
These 15,000 madarassas leaders should be under house arrest or put behind bars till such time a thorough background check is conducted aginst each one of them.
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Dec 20, 2014 12:12am
Seems a lot of you people were too busy to actually read the story.
It says the attack has been condemned but madaris should not be targetted. The condemnation itself was quite unequivocal.
At least read the story before "Maulvi this, Maulvi that"
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Dec 20, 2014 05:57am
We have become "adha teetar adha bater". We all call ourselves Muslims and look like Muslims but have NOTHING that will convince anyone that we are followers of our prophet.
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Dec 20, 2014 06:46am
@Sammy Why? Where do you live? This doesn't happen in the civilized world, There are rules and procedures to prosecute any one.
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