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ISLAMABAD: Nine civilians were killed and at least 25 wounded on Monday in fighting along a stretch of the disputed border between India and Pakistan in the Kashmir region.

An Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement issued on Monday said that Indian Border Security Forces (BSF) personnel resorted to “unprovoked firing” along the working boundary in Sialkot as a result of which four people were killed whereas five others sustained injuries.

Details of those killed at the working boundary:

  • Salima Bibi w/o Abdul Ghani — Village Dhamala
  • Adeel Ahmed (age 10 yrs) s/o Mohd Jamil — Village Dhamala
  • Hamad Ahmed (age 4 yrs) s/o Mohd Jamil — Village Dhamala
  • Abdul Razak (age 65 yrs) s/o Lal Din — Village Tulsipur

Three of the injured five were identified as:

  • Mohammad Ishaq (age 70 yrs) s/o Shukar Din — Village Tulsipur
  • Mohammadd Rashim (age 72 yrs) s/o Mola Bush — Village Dhamala
  • Kashif (age 10 yrs) s/o Mohd Butta — Village Harpal

Explore — Indian troops resort to unprovoked firing at LoC: ISPR

Four civilians, including two children and a woman, were killed on the first day of Eidul Azha, the statement said, adding that “Pakistan Rangers have effectively responded to BSF fire.” Indian forces also resorted to unprovoked firing on LoC in Nikial, Karela, Kot Kettera, Hot Spring and Jandrot sectors, the statement added.

The ISPR said Pakistani troops are effectively responding to Indian firing; however no loss of life has been reported as yet.

Earlier on Sunday, Indian troops violated the Line of Control (loC) ceasefire and resorted to unprovoked firing in Jandroot Sector near Kotli.


India reports five casualties


Inspector general of the Indian BSF, Rakesh Kumar, alleged however that Pakistani forces shelled the village of Arnia about three km (two miles) from the border in the early hours of Monday, killing five and wounding at least two dozen civilians.

Another Indian officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Brijesh Panday, said the army later shot dead three alleged militants trying to cross into India further along the heavily militarised LoC. Two alleged militants escaped to Pakistan, he said.

Indian authorities say Muslim separatists have been fighting BSF in Indian-administered Kashmir since 1989. Pakistan rejects Indian accusations that it trains and arms rebels in Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

The defense and military authorities of both Pakistan and India have vowed to give a “befitting” response to border skirmishes. The Himalayan region of Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since independence in 1947. The countries have fought three wars and came close to a fourth in 2001 and there have been regular clashes along the de facto border, known as the Line of Control (LoC), in the area.


Kashmiris flee as violence escalates


Tens of thousands of villagers fled their homes in Kashmir on Monday, as Indian and Pakistani troops bombarded each other with gunfire and mortar.

“First we heard gunshots,” said Akshit Kumar, a resident of Arnia, a town in Indian-administered Kashmir.

“But as the shelling started, that's when we decided to flee.”

On the Indian side, officials were evacuating tens of thousands of people from Arnia and nearby villages to underground bunkers and government shelters.

A man said he was sleeping on the lawn outside his home on the outskirts of Arnia when a mortar shell landed and exploded on a nearby house, killing his neighbour and wounding five other people.

“There is panic,” said Jammu's top administrator, Shantmanu, who goes by one name.

“We're trying to give them a sense of security and temporary shelters.

“Many saw the chaos as part of what's become a predictable cycle of violence in a region riven by decades-old animosities.

A similar outburst of cross-border violence in August led about 15,000 villagers to flee temporarily.


Background


In December last year, Pakistan and India had pledged to uphold the 2003 LoC ceasefire accord which had been left in tatters by repeated violations that year. The truce breaches had put the nascent bilateral peace dialogue on hold.

The directors general of military operations (DGMOs) of the two countries had agreed to a number of steps to keep the ceasefire accord intact.

The meeting had taken place on the initiative of the political leadership of the two countries for ending tensions along the LoC.

The Himalayan territory of Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan by the UN-monitored de facto border of LoC but is claimed in full by both the countries.

Ceasefire violations along the LoC and working boundary between Pakistan and India continue intermittently, with casualties reported on both sides.

Official sources say unprovoked firing by Indian troops on the working boundary has been continuing for the past many weeks.


Comments (163) Closed



One Nation Oct 06, 2014 11:02am

This stupidity must end. Why can't the two countries follow some basic rules on the LOC? There should be a jointly developed protocol to de-escalate any misunderstandings.

Q Oct 06, 2014 11:17am

Hatred will never end. There is strong elements who can be silent only when both merge or federation is formed.

Sukhi Sukh Oct 06, 2014 11:26am

But Indians are saying this:

NEW DELHI: At least 5 people have been killed and 26 have been injured in a major ceasefire violation by Pak Rangers in Jammu & Kashmir's Arnia sector.

According to reports, Pak troops fired at BSF posts and also targeted civilian areas in Arnia sector.

Reports say the firing started at midnight and is still on.

Umesh Oct 06, 2014 11:29am

It is really hurting to read this sort of news whether in Indian media or Pakistan, especially on the festive day of Eid Ul Azha, where the community scarifies for a good cause. Indian media says and claim that the ceasefire violation was from Pak side, while here Pak media says and claim that the violation was from Indian side. Unfortunately, it is the personnel from both the sides, whether from defense or civilians are being sacrificed for the egoism of both sides of the governments. Humanity should prevail and not the community based egoisms, of course from both sides of the boarder.

sreenislg@yahoo.com Oct 06, 2014 11:44am

@Q You(pakistan) cant develop, you can only violate LoC rules and provoke other side.

ahmed Oct 06, 2014 11:45am

@One Nation You are putting question on the existence of dirty politics of both the nation

Tejaswi Oct 06, 2014 11:46am

5 People killed at Indian side too.. They are also saying the same thing..

One Nation Oct 06, 2014 11:53am

@sreenislg@yahoo.com It is precisely this mentality that needs to change. How are you assuming that Pakistan has violated the LOC? We should not provoke and not get provoked either.

radon Oct 06, 2014 11:55am

This is called mind and media control , effective way to keep people of Pakistan quiet and distract them from all the issues facing Pakistan today ,by making an non-issue the biggest issue and this helps Pakistan to maintain their control over the populace which otherwise will lose control and lead to disintegration of the country.

komatose Oct 06, 2014 11:55am

Pakistan is under a demonic possession and if anybody thinks that Pakistan can exorcise itself out of this are foolish and doing grave mistake , if China , US and other Powers do not take this situation seriously and act now, it will do more damage to world peace and will lead us to nuclear Armageddon.

charon Oct 06, 2014 11:56am

Pakistan is gravely ill and cannot treat itself , need of the hour is competent team of doctors who can diagnose this unknown disease with lot of symptoms and no known cure.

One Nation Oct 06, 2014 12:05pm

@radon Something seems to have your mind in control. It is called "hatred". You had a great leader in Mahatama Gandhi. Why don't you educate yourself through this great man's teachings.

Raj Oct 06, 2014 12:11pm

@One Nation - "How are you assuming that Pakistan has violated the LOC?" Because with this sudden Kashmir fever being seen in Pakistani politics Pakistan is trying to push its Jihadi sock-puppets into India by resorting to this firing. However, rest assured, this time these shenanigans will not go unpunished. The cost to Pakistan will be high. Unlike the previous impotent government, the current government has openly stated that they've given full freedom to the army to respond to Pakistan however they deem fit.

So it's clear that this firing will prolong, but with three times as many forces on the border with Pakistan, India is soon going to dominate these "games". It is for Pakistan to decide if they want to back out of these misadventures and live in peace or continue on their current self-destructive path and live in pieces.

V.M.S.Khati Oct 06, 2014 12:14pm

Happy Eid.

Hello Oct 06, 2014 12:15pm

I guess this is India's answer to pakistan's proxy way aka terrorism. Come out and fight with us, your army will be bankrupt soon

Namaste.

kashmiri Oct 06, 2014 12:30pm

India is serious about peace and development of the nation but does Pakistan need development and peace No. Pakistan army needs to keep country under its control and best way to do this is create an external strong enemy so that the minds of common people are diverted from their internal issues and focused on the enemy.

andes Oct 06, 2014 12:37pm

Pakistan army should give a chance to Pakistan to go ahead on the path of peace and development and come out of its insecurity that it will no longer be relevant if Pakistan focus changes from internal and external security to development , it should realize that if Pakistan is prosperous army will indeed get more funds and can operate with better weapons and more social and economic security for the army personnel and common people.

rony Oct 06, 2014 12:55pm

@Q

no way

rockheart Oct 06, 2014 12:56pm

Everybody knows there is violence , bloodshed and hatred across Pakistan and why would anybody think Pakistan army is any better .

rony Oct 06, 2014 01:00pm

@kashmiri

fully agree with you but its sad that people in pakistan dont understand that

Moiz Omar Oct 06, 2014 01:12pm

These things need to stop. Innocent people are losing their lives.

indian realist Oct 06, 2014 01:42pm

@One Nation did u guys listen to Gandhi at times of partition?stop being pious we know u r not

Sunil Oct 06, 2014 04:12pm

In such situations the casualties are truth and innocent people.

Why the border was queit in Musharrf's time and not now?

Anup Oct 06, 2014 04:30pm

Clearly an attention diversion tactics by Pakistani side. Especially when dharna is not ending and a lot is happening internally then best is to start border skirmishes to make the public insecure.

sri Oct 06, 2014 04:33pm

In indian newspapers, it says pakistan resorted to unprovoked firing and it is exactly the opposite here. Do not really know whose news to believe. Ordinary people only want peace and development. This nonsense has to stop. Pata nahi kab khatam hoga yeh ! very sad human.

Harmony Oct 06, 2014 04:58pm

@Umesh - Well said! Some sane minds do exist.

Taimoor Khan Oct 06, 2014 05:02pm

These Indian always try to spoil the peace during our festivities. From now on, our armed forces should keep the dewali in their calender.

Woah Oct 06, 2014 05:09pm

@Q Are you kidding us? Merger or federation?

Think King Oct 06, 2014 05:10pm

One "small" question. What is Pakistan's role in Kashmir? They just want to free the Kashmir from India and make it "Azad Kashmir" right? Not as a part of Pakistan.

Why would anyone do that at the cost of their manpower, at the cost of the money from their citizens, at the cost of heavy army deployment in the area, cost of peace and tranquillity along the border.

Atul Oct 06, 2014 05:10pm

See the realities on this website along with images and people who have suffered.

muhammad farooq Oct 06, 2014 05:10pm

In this era of advanced communication even if there is misunderstanding between two sides they can be resolved in minutes. Where there is a will there is a way. It the will leaders of both countries are lacking. Let there be a joint control of borders or some other mechanism should be evolved to preempt such unfortunate happenings in future.

inam101 Oct 06, 2014 05:11pm

Pakistan blame India and India blame Pakistan for LOC skirmishes. Similarly both sides of people blame each other. There should be third-party observers to keep looking at the situation and try to find out the exact events. UNO does that, but some elements on both sides want it to leave. http://www.dawn.com/news/1121890

Sil Oct 06, 2014 05:28pm

True face of India exposed again.

sidhu Oct 06, 2014 05:31pm

meanwhile 3 terrorists trying to infiltrate into kashmir are killed by indian army. no wonder these ceasefire violations are coinciding with elections in kashmir.

Md Imran Oct 06, 2014 05:34pm

Pak fauj zindabad ! We will give a fitting reply ! India thinks they will be saved by outsiders just the way they did in 65,71 or 99. It will be different this time.

ammad Oct 06, 2014 05:37pm

India is just trying to make things worst for Pakistan as it is under a transition state .why would army try to attack when there are so many internal issues ...on the other hand, BJP knows nothing of peace ...

Indian Oct 06, 2014 05:46pm

@ammad Of course... Pakistan army is doing ceasefire violations just to divert the public attention from the political chaos in Pakistan.

Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Oct 06, 2014 05:54pm

These so-called battles and skirmishes are going on the line of control between the two rival nations of South Asia since last 67 years resulting in the tragic loss of hundreds of civilian lives including women and children because of only one tangible reason.

In fact thousands if not millions of people have been killed on both sides of the border since August 14, 1947 because the so-called biggest democracy in the world has refused to accept the right of self-determination of the brave but hapless and helpless people of Jammu and Kashmir as promised by its own founding father and its first Prime Minister in front of the whole world at the United Nations.

On top of that, India is very keen since last two decades or so to become a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council of whose resolutions it is openly and shamelessly flouting, ignoring and violating for over six decades now. What a height of shamelessness?

Manoj Kumar Oct 06, 2014 06:28pm

No wonder British rule was here for 150 years , how stupid , how grave and how nonsense stance : Who cares who starts it !

concerned Oct 06, 2014 06:33pm

Thank you Pakistan army for your sacrifices and for keeping us safe from the enemies aggression.

concerned Oct 06, 2014 06:35pm

@sreenislg@yahoo.com take your hate mongering back to India and get some basic education while you're at it.

Raja Farhat abbasabbas_fathat Oct 06, 2014 06:38pm

@sreenislg@yahoo.com You (Indians) are peace loving Angels who never do any wrong.

Ahmed Oct 06, 2014 06:42pm

@Umesh I don't get what both sides achieve by escalating tension on LOC. Useless issues because of which a common villager suffers, and both side knows that this alone cannot conquer other country.

Rajendra Tiwari Oct 06, 2014 06:43pm

India blames Pakistan and vice versa for violation of cease fire at the line of control mandated by the United Nation (UN). UN has its own observation team to find out who is at fault. Why does not UN determine who is at fault and take action against the defaulter, from public reprimand and various sanctions to expulsion form UN.

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 06:44pm

Answer the following question and one can see who violated the ceasefire. "Who benefits the most from escalation at the LoC?"

Human Oct 06, 2014 06:46pm

Both countries should publish the date & time of casualties reported.So the common men from both countries will come to know the truth.

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 06:50pm

@Hello More people in India have been killed by Maoists than any other group internal or external yet Indians shout the loudest when it comes to Pakistan. You guys need some therapy.

pak_wellwisher Oct 06, 2014 06:52pm

@ammad they don't have food to feed its people but they don't back away from kashmir either.

Ramesh Oct 06, 2014 06:54pm

@Md Imran yes it will different this time, wait n watch

Sunil Oct 06, 2014 07:06pm

Pakistan has border problems with Iran, Afghanistan and India.

One Nation Oct 06, 2014 07:07pm

@Manoj Kumar Thank you for adding something of value. I am disappointed at so many educated people behaving like war mongers.

Worried One Oct 06, 2014 07:18pm

War will only push India & Pakistan back by 20 years. That is what the West & China want. But it is not what the people of both nation need . I pray that better sense prevails on both sides. Economic growth & freedom from outside interference can only take us to a brighter future.

Gohar Oct 06, 2014 07:30pm

Hence the reason why the United Nations need to be on the border as observers. It sure puts some doubt on india's refusal of allowing the United Nations along the defacto line of control. India is far from a peaceful country and has border disputes with each and everyone of its neighbours. I think Pakistan should go ahead and get the UN observers posted at least on its side of the border.

raja Oct 06, 2014 07:31pm

We do not like to read of civilians death. Pakistani army should respond in a more brave manner for what it is known. Indians should not worry as their army is prepared to fight both china and Pakistan sametime??? There have been regular incursion by chinese army in india, what happened to the above claims. Pakistan can not fight a conventional war with india, Modi said. Indians forget that kargil was coventional when indian army left the post and indian leader rushed to UN, US and other countries to request Pakistan to please stop.Pakistan Army Zindabad, Pakistan Paindabad.

kashmiri Oct 06, 2014 07:33pm

Kashmir wants independence from India.A separate state and self governance. That is the only just and sustainable solution. Hold a referendum and let the people decide.

Sufi Muslim Oct 06, 2014 07:36pm

The biggest root of conflicts between India and Pakistan is the Kashmir issue.

But, in order to achieve deep heeling, the leaders and, to some extent, the people, must free themselves of the past, rise in consciousness and recognize that acquisition of land is not the purpose for which humankind was created.

Kashmir is a stalemate and both countries need to work towards peace and acceptance of each other and rendering the international border and the LoC virtual by allowing free movements of people and trade.

Here's a quote to reflect upon:

"To attain a heart that is clear and free, we must neutralize the past by cutting off and cleansing all the effects it had upon us. Then the future will be as good as we want to make it provided we have complete tawakkul (dependence, reliance). If we have complete dependence on Allah, Allah will guide us. Allah's laws are perfect. They govern this existence as we witness and experience it. Confusion arises if half of us is in the past and half is worried about the future."

—— "Songs of Iman On the Roads of Pakistan" by Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri

ConcerenedPakistani Oct 06, 2014 07:39pm

@Raj . Stop talking strong. we know how strong you are. Check your history for thousands of years, you will know what i am talking about. And stop Hue and cry about proxy war in Kashmir because it was you who started this in East Pakistan by arming and training "Mukti Bahni". Actually we want your government to come out of this shell where they proclaim to be the most peaceful country in the world and they are the one under attack. Because in reality you are not. Indian army knows, they are up against a formidable defense, a professional and well disciplined army that is 10 times better trained then their counterparts. If it wasn't for that, Pakistan wouldn't have survived till now. So instead of talking aggressive, lets resolve the issues which are creating this issues.

rajeev Oct 06, 2014 07:54pm

If you are unable to keep Balochistan intact with you. Why you are intervening in Kashmir. You try to interfere in all global affairs but unable to keep your own people happy. Think over!

azad Oct 06, 2014 07:55pm

Pakistan should understand that people killed on both side are our muslims brothers only.

Ajaya K Dutt Oct 06, 2014 08:10pm

@One Nation - Inaction and turning the other cheek is the root cause of this problem. If there were severe punitive strikes, then this would not have happened.

Black Sabbath Oct 06, 2014 08:11pm

Why does these senseless acts of violence periodically happen on the India-Pakistan border? I've never heard of such things happen so often on any other borders. Both sides claim that the other started it so nobody knows the truth. Its time to set up a neutral committee to investigate such incidents. Please give respect to human lives.

Talat Haque Oct 06, 2014 08:14pm

Sad, so sad

Saad Oct 06, 2014 08:17pm

@Sunil India has border problems with Pakistan, China and Bangladesh.

anon Oct 06, 2014 08:17pm

The hatred here in the comments is strong. Especially in the comments coming from India.

VM Oct 06, 2014 08:19pm

Remember Pakistan - The country that can put a space craft in Mar's orbit can easily obliterate a small country like yours. Just be careful. If Indians have not done anything yet, it is because they have rules to abide by. they have life. They have things other than Pakistan in their minds. They education, science, and business in their minds. Why doesn't an average Pakistani demands these basic progressive things from their government?

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 08:25pm

@Sunil India has border dispute with all of it's neighbours. Fact.

Meethi Meethayee Oct 06, 2014 08:26pm

@Raj : Why would Pakistan be so crazy to create another problem for itself - the Pakistani Army is fighting a war internally. The last thing they would want is to create more problems for themselves.

From Indian point of view, it makes sense to create more problems and miseries to their enemy.

We need to have people like Umesh (a commentator in the thread) on both sides, it serves no purpose to either India or Pakistan to have such hatred. Hope, good sense prevails to both sides.

Javed Oct 06, 2014 08:26pm

To All Remember one thing Pakistan will exist forever - In Sha Allah. No one in the Word can harm Pakistan. Pakistan Is Allah' gift to all Muslims

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 08:28pm

@rajeev India should stop meddling with Baluchistan and all will fine there and before you say India does not meddle in Baluchistan, Manmohan Singh has already spilled the beans in Egypt.

samar Oct 06, 2014 08:29pm

Peace is bigger then any ego and sarcasm and political scoring and nationalistic or religious provocations .....think big

Black Sabbath Oct 06, 2014 08:32pm

@Javed : Yes Pakistan will exist forever & so will Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo etc etc. Is existence your only goal or does quality of life matter at all?

Zubair Oct 06, 2014 08:36pm

What a sad scenario it is.Muslim families living accross the LoC want to see and meet each other on the occasion of Eid when they met bullets .

Javed Oct 06, 2014 08:43pm

It is better for Indians to understand that Pakistan will exist until the day of Judgement. Lord of every thing has special blessings on this country. In Sha Allah, we will get over the problems we facing right now. In all situation we all Pakistani get together for peace and happiness fir every humane being regardless of religion We are peace and loving nation but don't think we are weak

INDOARYAN Oct 06, 2014 08:51pm

@Taimoor Khan Yes Sir we do appreciate fire works on Diwali and other festivals, your help will be appreciated.

Uzair Oct 06, 2014 08:53pm

Illegal bharati occupation of Kashmir will soon end and we will be able to decide our fate weather it is Pakistan or a third option. You can keep bombing us bharat but you will never be able subdue and eliminate our will of freedom.

Sonny Afridi Oct 06, 2014 08:55pm

@Raj we aren't scared or can be bullied by Indian cowards. Your army violates ceasefire - we will fire back disproportionately harder. Your leader can yap whatever he likes

Ashok R.Prabhu Oct 06, 2014 09:01pm

PAKISTANI Army is giving covering fire to infiltrators and terrorists trying to cross the border.This should not have taken place in the first place.Pakistan should desist from trying to snatch KASHMIR from India by force.They cannot succeed in this game as things are not in their favour.Ideally they should look for a negotiated settlement with INDIA and live in Peace and Khush Hali for generations to come.

ritesh Oct 06, 2014 09:13pm

@Taimoor Khan the amount of fire cracker the Indians burst during diwali is sufficient enough to wipeout.........

Shyam Kokku Oct 06, 2014 09:14pm

Indian TV channels are showing live coverage of villagers explaining how firing started from midnight from Pakistani side. There are 5 deaths and more than 25 injuries besides walls of the dwellings taking shells and bullets - well 6 Km inside the Indian border. People are shattered due to what seems to be a routine unprovoked firing from Pakistani side. Does Pakistan expect Indian army not to retaliate?

ashi_hyd@yahoo.com Oct 06, 2014 09:20pm

Grow up guys and apply this simple technique -- - hand over the bodies from both the sides to one of the independent countries in Asia (Like HK or SG). - Get the Autopsy report And based upon this report it will become evident who fired first and violated the LOC Ceasefire.

Amit Oct 06, 2014 09:31pm

Life of Soldiers and civilians of both India and Pakistan is too cheap, as compared to hate mongers and politicians.. Instead of development of their poor, these countries keep fighting and wasting money on the arms...

Vinod Oct 06, 2014 09:31pm

Just think, why not a single bullet fired between India & China since 1962.how both countries restrain. Find out where first casualties occurred, date & time.

Sreenath Oct 06, 2014 09:32pm

It is a fact the causalities are happening in both sides of the border, do not respect ceasefire agreements, do not respect festivals but please do respect the lives of children, elder and women.

Dr. Baig Oct 06, 2014 09:33pm

By staying out of mainstream politics, pak army should be more focused in dealing with India. I'm not worried about these border clashes, they have been going on since 1947. Indians are not as courageous as their rhetoric, unless Pakistan opens the door for Indian aggression this ping will go on.

Patel Oct 06, 2014 09:36pm

According to one of my friend who lives near Sialkot border, Indian forces started shelling in middle of the night and then it continued for several hours. It seems like what is going on in Kashmir was pretext. Some officer wanted to give this gift to Kashmiris on Eid day.

Sudhakar Oct 06, 2014 09:37pm

Pakistan claims it has UN observers on its side of the fence. Why are they silent on these border skirmishes? Why are there no reports, studies, observations from them? Let them (as fair observers...) state who initiates these?

sidhu Oct 06, 2014 09:37pm

@kashmiri okk! so, there is no need of army, let every state decide it's future and there will be many more countries in asia like kashmir, khalistan, bloachistan, and also many from china and srilanka.

sidhu Oct 06, 2014 09:48pm

@Javed i think bangladesh was also a part of pakistan.

Vinod Oct 06, 2014 09:54pm

@ashi_hyd@yahoo.com I agree

Hindustani Oct 06, 2014 10:04pm

yar Pakistan kyo hame pareshaan kar rhe ho..jiyo n jeene do..aaram se apne festival manao...doosre ko maarke hi tum logo ki shanti milti hai...chahe wo insaan ho ya fir bakra..:(

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 10:13pm

@Black Sabbath How is quality of life better for an average Indian than an average Pakistani? Please explain. And while doing that, don't forget more than half of India's 1.3 billion people live on less than $1.00 a day and without any access to toilets or running water.

Ahmer Oct 06, 2014 10:14pm

It is sad that four innocent villagers died at the hands of cruel Indians. We need to be ready for continuation of this 1,000 years war that Bhutto had warned the UNGA about in December 1971.

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 10:15pm

@Sudhakar Here is a clue. They are silent because they do not see Pakistan first violating the ceasefire or do you now want to blame the UN observers as well LOL

Laddoo Oct 06, 2014 10:18pm

@sidhu So India covertly helped the Bangladeshis in 1971 and is now doing the same thing in Baluchistan. How can any of India's neighbours trust India?

Black Sabbath Oct 06, 2014 10:20pm

@Saad : Yes India has border issues with Pakistan, China & Bangladesh. But such incidents of violence only happen along the border with Pakistan. India recently resolved its border issue with Bangladesh peacefully where it actually gave back a big chunk of water rights back to Bangladesh.

sidhu Oct 06, 2014 10:24pm

@Laddoo not covertly, openly mr. laddoo, even america was on your side.

jeykey Oct 06, 2014 10:27pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad OK , you forgot to also mention that Pakistan was to withdraw complete force from POK as per the resolution but..

Agrippa - The Skeptic Oct 06, 2014 10:52pm

Both Pakistan and Indian have used the bogey of ‘external threat’ to unite the unassuming aam aadmi. Let us look at the state of these two countries: Pakistan - beleaguered Government - stretched Army - Finance, power generation, dehshat gardi rampant … . India - Freshly elected Modi - SAARC neighbours, Japan, China and US visits and meets - Modi busy with State elections These are just a few highlights.

Kamal Oct 06, 2014 11:02pm

@Q Pakistan has to drop idea of taking kashmir... that is the fundamental issue. Till now that is the mindset of pakistan armed forces and jihadist.

Ak09 Oct 06, 2014 11:08pm

India reports death of 5 while Pakistan reports 4.

Had India violated the cease-fire to begin with then it probably wouldn't have even given an opportunity to Pakistan to attack civilians on the Indian side.

Amir Bangash Oct 06, 2014 11:20pm

@VM. I think you have some wrong concepts or may be you are taught this way.because it is not India abiding by rules but Pakistan which does not want a war otherwise if the sate allows our tribes we can liberate Kashmir in few days as our elders did in 1948 when they liberated half of Kashmir with out proper support and administrative back up.

indian Oct 06, 2014 11:42pm

@Md Imran whenever pak will fight to india....we r able to defeat pak

Raj Oct 06, 2014 11:53pm

@raja ,it's must be limit of conspiracy theory which is running in Pakistan only . India has never go anywhere at time of kargil war but Pakistani prime minister had gone to meet to mrs. Bill quilton that may pressuring india to stop fighting . Prime minister Atal bihari refuse the suggestion of American president and tell to him that india fight war till time whenever all indian post wouldn't be under Indian authority.

Narendra Oct 06, 2014 11:55pm

Why Bharat will do it , For what ? Use commonsense who will benefited by this war if start.

Mohsin Shakil Oct 06, 2014 11:59pm

Please Sign the Petition to end tension at LoC https://www.change.org/p/honorable-prime-minister-please-end-tension-and-violations-of-cease-fire-at-line-of-control-in-jammu-kashmir

Sunny Oct 07, 2014 12:02am

@Md Imran - I pity your knowledge of history.Chalo khushfahmi hi sahi:)

omer khan shaheen Oct 07, 2014 12:04am

@Sunil "India has border issues with China, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Bhutan, Nepal and . . . . etc".

humanbeing Oct 07, 2014 12:11am

My Pakistani brothers, I am you brother, younger or older, or I might look similar to your son. Before we differentiate ourselves as indians or pakistanis or any other nationals, we are humans who are probably born in the same era. Forget border, forget politics, forget trade, forget ranks, you and I are same species, we all have the same blood, we all enjoy the beautiful hills and flowers and tiny babies. What if we remove entities called nation or religion or colour or language. Inside the veils of these entities, we are all the same. I wish I could just hug you all and say good days are going to come. I day, I will. Or our sons oŕ daughters will. across non existential borders they will pull cheeks n hug.. I wish those days will come soon. So long brothers. My prayers for you. Remember, we are the men of the same world. We are brothers.

Love, A Common Man.

Iqbal Hadi Zaidi Oct 07, 2014 12:15am

What are we waiting for? Very often I read that Indians fired and killed both khakis and civilians and we feel proud in saying that our forces retaliated and silenced Indian guns or at the most Indian embassy official (not Ambassador) is summoned to our Foreign Ministry. Shabash, keep it up. Iqbal Hadi Zaidi

humanbeing Oct 07, 2014 12:25am

My Pakistani brothers, I am you brother, younger or older, or I might look similar to your son. Before we differentiate ourselves as indians or pakistanis or any other nationals, we are humans who are probably born in the same era. Forget border, forget politics, forget trade, forget ranks, you and I are same species, we all have the same blood, we all enjoy the beautiful hills and flowers and tiny babies. What if we remove entities called nation or religion or colour or language. Inside the veils of these entities, we are all the same. I wish I could just hug you all and say good days are going to come. I day, I will. Or our sons oŕ daughters will. across non existential borders they will pull cheeks n hug.. I wish those days will come soon. So long brothers. My prayers for you. Remember, we are the men of the same world. We are brothers.

Love, A Common Man.

anony Oct 07, 2014 01:04am

Shame on india. Even on the day of eid, they cannot stop their thirst for blood.

Caz Oct 07, 2014 01:18am

Pakistan will not succeed in internationalizing the Kashmir issue through these LOC/ IB violations. India has no reason to violate the LOC / IB. Also attempts to infiltrate terrorists into Jammu and Kashmir by pakistan in view of the impending elections there will also fail. Pakistan must connect with its true identity and realize its best option is to be a fully autonomous state in a Confederation with India. This will bring prosperity to pakistan, its people and the region.

sajid Oct 07, 2014 01:30am

If peace cannot be acheived with peacful means then a war is always a sure shot way to bring long ladting peace. History tells us that.

sajid Oct 07, 2014 01:33am

@Worried One - war will push back india by 1 year but pakistan by 100 years.

Zain Oct 07, 2014 01:45am

Just by reading the comments I can tell how Indians don't want peace and they want bloodshed. While majority of Muslims here are saying th bloodshed should end. Shows who really is inhumane to kill muslims on Eid. Indians should be ashamed

Speedy Gonzales Oct 07, 2014 01:48am

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad

So, if (according to you) it's about the people of J&K, why is Pakistan poking it's nose into this business?

Let India handle it's own issues.

Speedy Gonzales Oct 07, 2014 01:50am

@Md Imran

Heheh... Is that why Lieutenant General A. A. K. Niazi signed the Instrument of Surrender while surrendering to Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Arora of the Indian Army?

Read up.

Sowmik Oct 07, 2014 01:51am

I am an Indian working in the US. I am trying to analyze the issue objectively. I am seeing in both Indian and Pakistan news channels reporting about unprovoked firing from the other side. One thing that both agree on however, is that the innocent villagers are getting killed from both sides.

How long should this continue? I don't know about politicians but we shouldn't keep malice at our heart against one another. Shame on the politicians!

A shah Oct 07, 2014 01:58am

Why do we fire mortars at the so called people we aim to set free? Are we trying to save Kashmiris or kill them? India wins as it is muslims who die.

A shah Oct 07, 2014 02:02am

@Md Imran India has nothing to win by firing, pakistan has nothing to lose. Why would India want to bring Kashmir into the limelight?

Black Sabbath Oct 07, 2014 02:03am

@Amir Bangash : My friend, your elders have been trying to liberate kashmir with full support of your army for 67 years & nothing to show for it. Do u really think they can do it now in a few days??

paatchu Oct 07, 2014 02:52am

@Sufi Muslim What is the business for Pakistan in Kashmir??...You people already got land of your own from India on basis of religion..right?

keval Oct 07, 2014 03:10am

It is so stupid, both coutnries claiming that the other provoked. Why not are there devices on the border which can tell, which country shelled first. IT is not rocket science, if armies are willing. They would not cost more than a couple of thousand rupees. If both the countries think that the other is despicable and treacherous, there is all the more incentive to prove it. But I guess, it does not matter, innocent lives do not matter.

Baz Oct 07, 2014 03:43am

Pity that Pakistani media is not honest about things. This dishonesty increases inflammation.

suresh Oct 07, 2014 04:15am

@Taimoor Khan Bring in on bro! We are eagerly waiting for you.

Reddy Oct 07, 2014 04:19am

Innocent civilians died, does it really matter who is at fault ? Why can't these people have some sort of cameras or something to determine who did it first. This clearly murder, I am an Indian and I request Pakistanis to lodge a protest with Pakistani army while we Indians do the same. Stop killing people .

Sanjeev Oct 07, 2014 06:42am

India should remove article 370 from constitution and settle 50 million Indians in Kashmir. that will stop this problem permanently. If any one wants to go to Pakistan, they should be allowed to go in peace.

laxaman Ahmed Oct 07, 2014 06:47am

don't these two countries have brains to resolve the issue peacefully?

Amar Singh Oct 07, 2014 09:10am

Please stop the nonsense, I ask both countries.

Harish Kiran G S Oct 07, 2014 09:26am

@Javed Ha ha ha.

Rohan Oct 07, 2014 09:39am

@Md Imran lol saved by outsiders? Who saved us, I pray do tell.

suresh Oct 07, 2014 09:49am

Does this location falls on NO LAND AREA.

AA Oct 07, 2014 10:04am

These nations will never change. They are worst characters on earth. Depriving their own people from getting rights, mainly corrupt and ill minded, but on borders, they are fighting with each other with a pride as they are safeguarding their people's interest. Unless they believe on absolute justice, things will never change and I am afraid it will never happen.

Mustafa Oct 07, 2014 10:28am

@humanbeing;

"My prayers for you. Remember, we are the men of the same world. We are brothers.

Love, A Common Man."

Your type must be very uncommon in India for a callous murderer like Modi to be elected PM, I understand he received only 32% of the popular vote, but if only 2% of the Indian populace concurred with your sentiments, it is difficult to see Modi getting 32% vote. How could there be so much dichotomy within a society. You don't live on Mars do you?

Namaste Oct 07, 2014 10:29am

@Iqbal Hadi Zaidi No sir, you are mistaken. Pakistan government agencies (& possibly, Media too) are fooling the people of Pakistan. Don't fall prey to their hidden political agenda of diverting people's mind from internal issues. They are as corrupt as their Indian counterparts. Fortunately, we Indians now got Mr. Modi..... I wish Pakistan also gets its own Modi who believes in making "development & economic growth" rather than "militant attitude" a people's movement.

Azaad Oct 07, 2014 10:46am

Everyone is aware of Pakistani Fitrat........

Anil Tiwari Oct 07, 2014 10:50am

The Modi government must allow the Indian Army to crush the Pakistani terror machine once for all.

Anjan Oct 07, 2014 10:59am

@azad - it's not Muslim or Hindu here. They r Indians. Stop communalising.

Kuzzu Oct 07, 2014 11:07am

@Umesh We can never blame both Pak and Ind for violating cease-fire. Honstly i mainly blame India because on the day of Eid when Pakistani Soldiers want to enjoy celebrations and dont make sense for them to start firing. Indian soldiers are famously known for killing innocent Kashmiries which want freedom and Independence from India.

vidyadhara Oct 07, 2014 11:11am

@One Nation What is happening is not a "misunderstanding". Terror in Kashmir is not a misunderstanding.

franklyspeaking Oct 07, 2014 11:27am

@pak_wellwisher dont behave like an ostrich,as if the world doesnt knw abt a Pak's poverty and malice....u cant survive on on ur own, fear drones, economy in shambles and political unrest, still u want kashmir, Heights...

franklyspeaking Oct 07, 2014 11:30am

@Zain true Zain, look arounf the world, u will get an idea what muslims (not all muslims, but since u brought it)want and what they are trying at...u want me to name a few??? ur hypocrisy is just too evident...sorry to say...

BlueEarth Oct 07, 2014 11:34am

@ConcerenedPakistani :How many wars did your "well trained,ten times better" army win? I understand the plight of the likes of you,who have been institutionally brainwashed right from text book onwards-but please do try to form an objective view through independent sources.

anand Oct 07, 2014 01:36pm

@Javed if you really believe in what you say, then please work for the betterment of your brothers and sisters lives. Initiate a general awareness for strengthening democracy. History teaches us that there can be no peace and prosperity where the armed forces have an upper hand on the democratically elected government. Sadly that has been the curse on innocent Pakistanis from the beginning.

anand Oct 07, 2014 01:41pm

People who are worried about Pakistan should ideally be dedicating their efforts towards the betterment of their countrymen's lives. Initiate a general awareness for the need of a strong democracy. History teaches us that no land has known peace when their armed forces had the upper hand over their government. Sadly this has been the curse on innocent pakistanees from the begining.

asif Oct 07, 2014 03:13pm

@rajeev Do not make false issue of Balochistan. We, except India, are all one, by the way i belong to BALOCHISTAN but hate to claim. I am Pakistani and that is all

joe Oct 08, 2014 12:01am

Indo-Pak should be like European union. One team one fight. Gandhi-Jinnah should be on Currency, People move freely between india-pak work for Janta. live for people by the people. Politicians are public servants. Pakistan Need MODI Jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Modi please advice to our incompetent politician in Pakistan. jai Hind Jai Pakistan Indo-Pak bhai bhai jai ho jai ho Modi ji ki jai ho

Rajesh Chauhan Oct 08, 2014 12:37am

Sadly we Indians never want to look inside to see how rotten to the core we really are!

peace Oct 08, 2014 07:00am

Whatever is happening is due to misunderstanding and no communication due to which civilians are suffering on both sides... Pakistan says India started unprovoked during while India says Pakistan started it... A proper mechanism must be put forth to solve it before a disaster takes place!!

KKN Oct 08, 2014 11:58am

@Q Merger may not be possible as the divide is too deep perhaps. The least both sides can do is to respect each others territory and not throw stones (bullets) across the border..

vinod Oct 08, 2014 03:00pm

Soultion is simple, 1) Allow the civilian govt some power. 2) Make Army and ISI accountable 3) Do not trigger a gun barriage 4) Improve economy and start behaving like responsible citizens

asif Oct 08, 2014 03:07pm

@Speedy Gonzales Meaningless reply. Kashmir is a dispute. Recognize the reality then you will understand the phenomenon

ganesh Oct 08, 2014 04:49pm

@One Nation ------- u just think in last 67 years of independence, your army has ruled your country for more than 30 years by overthrowing a democratic govt. To take control of the country they create artificial situation like unprovoked firing ,support to terrorism and blame India for all the ills. India neglected these things and prospered. Your country still languishing far behind.because of military rule for more than 30 years. It is the time you strengthen your democracy and improve economic condition of Pakisan which good for you and other neighbour

sunrise Oct 08, 2014 04:50pm

@Md Imran actually Pakistan saved by the outsiders when your high command approached America and UN. Your army is not in your own leaders hand. You get the false news.

Manoj Oct 08, 2014 05:32pm

Bangladesh war for independence, members of the Pakistani military and supporting militias killed between 300,000[1]–3,000,000[2] people and raped between 200,000–400,000 Bangladeshi women in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape...so this his what is PAK army mentality .

sana Oct 08, 2014 06:08pm

@One Nation Mahatma Gandhi was mocked by Direct action, please re-read history again. This genocide killed many innocent hindu people.

mak Oct 08, 2014 06:19pm

You guys are blaming Modi, dont forget he was the one who invited Nawaz Sharif for the swearing in ceremony and extended the hands of friendship...even in the UN speech he mentioned very clearly that talks must go on, but the terror from pakistan must stop, why would your foreign secretary meet the hurriyat just before the foreign secretary talks, isnt that something that they should refrain from. If you want to resolve the kashmir issue, talk peacefully and if you want to involve 3rd party, its your wish but Indians dont believe in getting a 3rd party involved in this matter! Pakistan needs to improve the internal security and work on development, by chanting kashmir as the politicians do for vote bank, nothing will ever happen , just the hatred will increase...think about it!

Sher Jatt Oct 08, 2014 07:45pm

If Indians believe that they are right and great, then please allow a plebicite in Kashmir and let the people decide. But India will never allow this as they know that they will lose as all Kashmiris hate India.

Fareed (usa) Oct 08, 2014 08:39pm

Time for Indian intelligentsia to speak up. Leave aside that rhetoric , "Kashmir is part of India" a slogan used by politicians. So goes for Pakistan. Let Kashmir be an independent state. After all Nepal, Bhutan are existing as independent states, why not Kashmir ?

John Oct 09, 2014 01:10am

@Fareed (usa) This had nothing to do with Kashmir. This is due to recent diplomatic losses in UN and USA.

Hemant Oct 09, 2014 05:11am

@ConcerenedPakistani, name selected by you really fits well, state of your mind and also mind of your state... Better be concerned about your 1000 years, because that time you were also in the same state!!!! I assumes that because you have time to read news paper and comment in that, you have nothing better to do like me:-) Even after 1000 years we are doing same thing fighting and creating war just show of machoism...

Hemant Oct 09, 2014 05:14am

@Fareed (usa) dreamzzzzzzzz....why you think that you are right??? Man grow up if this was so simple it would have been done long long long back....

Abdul kader Oct 11, 2014 05:50am

Wise thinking and restraint only will lead to peaceful coexistance