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Army’s questionable decisions

Updated Sep 02, 2014 05:05am


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Pakistan Army soldiers moving ahead to stop the activists of PAT and PTI from moving ahead, in Islamabad.— Photo by Online
Pakistan Army soldiers moving ahead to stop the activists of PAT and PTI from moving ahead, in Islamabad.— Photo by Online
A supporter (R) of PAT chief Tahirul Qadri, shakes hands with a soldier from the Pakistan Army, during the Revolution March towards the prime minister's house in Islamabad September 1, 2014.— Photo by Reuters
A supporter (R) of PAT chief Tahirul Qadri, shakes hands with a soldier from the Pakistan Army, during the Revolution March towards the prime minister's house in Islamabad September 1, 2014.— Photo by Reuters
Pakistani protesters beat a police officer during a clash in Islamabad, Pakistan, Monday, Sept. 1, 2014. — Photo by AP
Pakistani protesters beat a police officer during a clash in Islamabad, Pakistan, Monday, Sept. 1, 2014. — Photo by AP
Police beat a protester during clashes in Islamabad, Pakistan, Monday, Sept. 1, 2014. — Photo by AP
Police beat a protester during clashes in Islamabad, Pakistan, Monday, Sept. 1, 2014. — Photo by AP

The carefully constructed veneer of neutrality that the army leadership had constructed through much of the national political crisis instigated by Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri has been torn apart.

Also Read: ISPR statement reactions: Balanced, ominous - hedged?

First, came the army’s statement on Sunday, the third in a series of statements in recent days on the political crisis, which quite astonishingly elevated the legitimacy and credibility of the demands of Imran Khan, Tahirul Qadri and their violent protesters above that of the choices and actions of an elected government dealing with a political crisis.

Consider the sequence of events so far. When the army first publicly waded into the political crisis, it counselled restraint on all sides — as though it was the government that fundamentally still had some questions hanging over its legitimacy simply because Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri alleged so.

Next, the army crept towards the Khan/Qadri camp by urging the government to facilitate negotiations — as though it was the government that was being unreasonable, and not Mr Khan and Mr Qadri.

Now, staggeringly, the army has ‘advised’ the government not to use force against violent protesters and essentially told it to make whatever concessions necessary to placate Mr Khan and Mr Qadri.

It is simply extraordinary that it is the PAT and PTI supporters who want to break into and occupy state buildings, but it is the government that has been rebuked.

It’s as if the army is unaware — rather, unwilling — to acknowledge the constitutional scheme of things: it is the government that is supposed to give orders to the army, not the other way around.

The government has already issued its order: invoking Article 245.

On Saturday, as violent thugs attacked parliament, it was surely the army’s duty to repel them.

But the soldiers stationed there did nothing and the army leadership the next day warned the government instead of the protesters — which largely explains why the protesters were able to continue their pitched battles with the police and attacked the PTV headquarters yesterday.

If that were not enough, yesterday also brought another thunderbolt: this time from within the PTI with party president Javed Hashmi indicating that Mr Khan is essentially doing what he has been asked and encouraged to do by the army leadership.

It took the ISPR a few hours to respond with the inevitable denial, but a mere denial is inadequate at this point. The functioning of the state stands paralysed because a few thousand protesters and their leaders have laid siege to state institutions.

Where is the army condemnation of that?

Would the army allow even a handful of peaceful protesters to gather outside GHQ for a few hours?

The army is hardly being ‘neutral’. It is making a choice.

And, it is disappointing that choice is doing little to strengthen the constitutional, democratic and legitimate scheme of things.

Published in Dawn, September 2nd, 2014


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Nazeer Sep 02, 2014 01:24am

A very good analysis and eye opener for Pakistanis.

M. Emad Sep 02, 2014 01:25am

The cat is out of the bag now . . .

Silajit Sep 02, 2014 02:16am

Thank goodness for brave and good editorials like this one.

krishna prasad Sep 02, 2014 02:27am

Excellent analysis. Bold. Clarity. Explains the curtain behind the dangerous plot. Time to stop meddling with democracy, its elected leaders and institutions to nurture its own interests. The lies and super lies by IK and Qadri against Nawaz and its group is out in the open. Time for political leaders to act jointly, firmly and decisively to deal with these anarchists as per law and courts.

Hassan Sep 02, 2014 02:44am

Very good analysis. I do not understand that why Army should be even neutral. They are a state organ and part of the government. Big question is why did they not arrest the attackers when they entered PTV state innstitution.This confirms Javid Hashmi, president of PTI's allegations that something is fishy fishy between the army and these two gangsters, Imran and Qadri.

Omar Zafarullah Sep 02, 2014 02:47am

Very brave. Keep it up.

FA Sep 02, 2014 02:47am

Thanks for being blunt. We now know when Imran was telling the crowd that UMPIRE will raise its finger, who that umpire is. I agree it is disappointing and shameful. Imran Khan & Co should submit themselves to media's questioning.

Amjad Wyne Sep 02, 2014 02:57am

What is missing from this editorial are a number of facts one, that the government asked the military to facilitate a dialog (according to your paper), two, that all NS government had to do was to respond to allegations of rigging six months ago (according to your paper - there was no army involvement then), third, the government should have allowed the registration of FIR against the killing of the political workers (according to your paper), fourth, just yesterday that the NS government has handled this whole thing very poorly (your paper)...a government with that kind of a record is bound to make everyone else look bad - it may be democratic and constitutional in your head but those are not the choices governments make when political challenges arise..

Niaz Betab Sep 02, 2014 03:11am

Brave. Reasonable. Honest. Spot-on.

rashid khan Sep 02, 2014 03:33am

As long as brave editors and professionals are can assure they would surely be 'reluctant' !! Real Good work...we need more of that in a reasonable and careful way to illuminate and aware our masses...

Arif Zarkoon Sep 02, 2014 03:36am

It's vague to grasp the notion of the author before drafting and publishing it, the very question remains the legitimacy of this government to rule the people. By rigging elections and then rewarding those invovled, this is what You call democracy and rule of people ? If they are so rightful and bonafide about their mandate and endorsement of the people, why don't they go for re-elections or at least had opened those four constituencies ? Nawaz was smart enough to remove the clause from constitution, that barred a person to be a Prime Minister for the third time, was that for the people ? It's only about keeping the vested interest endear by these dynasties !

Rana Brabar Sep 02, 2014 03:45am

This has gone too far. Country's future is being held hostage to Musharraf's release.

syed Sep 02, 2014 04:14am

Could not agree more, 100% Spot on.

As much as i hate to say it , Army is Taking Sides by Not Arresting the Mob who attacked PTV HQ?

instead merely instructing them to leave?

Would they do the same if GHQ was attacked?

Is there duty under Article 245 is to instruct the attackers? or defend the premises.

Arif Sep 02, 2014 04:24am

Govt had not only killed 14 people in Lahore but also shot & injured 80 others. Remember ?

Secondly, it evaded it's responsibility of registering FIR. FIR is normally registered same day, when an event happens.

Thirdly, protestors were peaceful until the Police, on orders of Interior Minister (obviously on behest of PM), attacked the protestors at an arbitrary red line that it had set. Before the attack, no buildings were attacked.

Fourthly, army has it's own way of dealing with things. The protestors were made to leave without firing a single bullet and hurting any individual. That's smarter than what the police was tasked to do by Interior Minister. Ideally Police should also be independent enough to act smartly rather than be an agent of political actors who have no worries for human life.

Finally, I didn't expect such toeing of government line from Dawn. It was my preferred paper the day I read inspiring columns by Mr. Ardeshir Cowasjee.

safar shah Sep 02, 2014 04:35am

A very Brave Editorial, I did not expect Dawn to actually do something so true. Amazing, you deserve thanks, finally!

Ali Sep 02, 2014 04:40am

It would be nice to see an editorial headed as 'Government's questionable decisions'. It was the police's duty to secure the parliament from the outside, as four layers of security was heard before. Why did the government remove police? Asking army to mediate? a total farce of a decision. At moments it looked like as if government wanted the public to face army directly.

saad Sep 02, 2014 04:44am

No disrespect but i think u portrayed a wrong pic, with respect to article 245... it doesnt work the way u wrote it... army isnt suppose to do anything unless told by the Commissioner that now things r out of Para military's hand... only then the army can come... with 245 being in place, army just have to remain at standby till the orders from Commissioner

Conflicted Sep 02, 2014 04:49am

About time! Looks as if you guys we're sleeping all this time. Have to say 'Jeevay Geo' for gutsy reporting. All else seem to be cowed by the PTI-PAT hoodlums.

Victor Sep 02, 2014 05:09am

@M. Emad Looks like its a cornered wildcat this time!

adi Sep 02, 2014 05:12am

a precedent was set years ago just after Pakistan was born..the military could topple a elected govt any never a group of 10000 people with sticks and rocks ..bascically a mob..can do the same ..heehaw..

S A Alimi Sep 02, 2014 05:15am

Army's response is, unfortunately, not good. It is the fact that army has to take orders from an elected government but not government from army. Mr Cricketer's rushing towards GHQ is also to be considered. Just think this cricketer was abusing a BS22 grade interior ministry secretary. On the other hand he rushed towards GHQ when he was called by the same BS22_grade army general. Now how can he claim that he is a democratic leader and his party is a democratic party? His own President Javed Hashmi has cleared it that he is working with some "foreign" agendas. Now it is high time that government take sever actions against these "revolutionaries". And stop them to make Pakistan a joke in the international comm.

AbbasToronto Sep 02, 2014 05:16am

The Army as well as law enforcement personnel are not stones. They have eyes, ears, and brains. Most know to tell right from wrong.

The 24/7 coverage of the standoff gives them ample time to make up their mind.

And if the Army has decided to side with the Sit-In as have the 3 IGs of Islamabad then why not.

This Sharif Govt has exceeded Dubya Bush Republicans in milking the people, and transferring the assets of common people into the pockets of the few at the top.

Despite the fewer numbers the Right is with the protestors and they will prevail. Lenin had merely 100 with him, Castro even less.

SKhan Sep 02, 2014 05:16am

Bravo Dawn! You have shown that you deserve the high esteem in which you are held. Bravo!

nazim khattak Sep 02, 2014 05:21am

ok fine ,,,,but why different police personnel are resigning n not doing their duty ,,,,leave army ,,,its a matter of self conscious now,,,,police personnel are also individually making their decisions ,,,,coz they know they are fighting not according to constitution n law,,,,how can one accept rigged election n fake PM orders ,,,they dont have true mandate ,,,so how can they use army as a punjab police,,,armymen dnt fear that they will b kicked out

Asad Sep 02, 2014 05:25am

Hate all you want on army, pti, pat and defend all you want the forces of democracy consisting of murderers in London, thugs in Lahore, blackmailers in sindh, and the diesel run molvis. At the end of the day, what's wrong is wrong, even if it's under the guise of so called democracy.

Faheem Ahmed Sep 02, 2014 05:25am

So you want Tahrir square style massacre that the govt would have resorted to if not for army, you and your analysis!!!

Zainab Sep 02, 2014 05:25am

@Hassan Army IS part of Government but it must stay out of politics.

ARK Sep 02, 2014 05:26am

One question: If the Army, Inc. is biased against the govt. could you point a reason for that too? Hint: "High Treason" trial and a certain former COAS. So now, lets establish if there could be some sort of dealing going on in all those meetings b/w COAS and PM since Aug 12 so the bias could be leveraged. I am sure you agree that the PM and COAS did not just exchange views on Cricket or weather during those meetings. NS must have gotten something in return for throwing out the high treason charges. The sequence of events are not as simple, black or white, as you portrayed here. There is a lot more there than meet the eye.

Nutralist Sep 02, 2014 05:28am

In a Constitutional Democracy Rights and Duties go hand in hand. Given ones due rights, duty automatically follows.

One of your columnist, Late Mr. Ardeshir Cowasjee, in an interview to a foreign reporter had said that, "Nothing works with logic in here (meaning Pakistan), if you have no logic how do you reason,and when you do not reason, what do you do!

Applying logic to reason out situations and circumstances developing needs to be laid emphasis on to let the Constitutional Democracy work with rights and duties going hand in hand.

Zainab Sep 02, 2014 05:30am

@Arif Zarkoon Please read the editorial carefully and then comment.

babar khan Sep 02, 2014 05:30am

Very good analysis. Imagine if this would have been MQM to invade PTV instead of PTI/PAT. Probably all of MQM workers would have been killed by calling them traitors. Army should not side with PTI/PAT. They should be handled the way karachiites are handled. Shoot at sight.

muhammad ali hussain Sep 02, 2014 05:35am

an honest and bold posing as neutrals,army is taking is not to dictate the government,it is to obey orders of the is not to make policy.tommorrow if country is attacked,will army remain neutral? a chokidar should not remain neutral if the house he is guarding is attacked

Josh Sep 02, 2014 05:49am

Excellent Editorial!!

One clarification (just a hunch) that the COAS didnt know the collusion among ISI, IK and TUQ. He was being an honest broker who simply asked all to work it out.

He got suspicious, I believe, after Saturday night riots. It simply didnt make sense for NS to use excessive force at such delicate juncture. So he had NS come by and explain. This is when it must have dawned on him that something was rotten in the State of Affairs. Hence a quick call to the Corp Commanders... the rest is history in making.

How he cleans up his house remains to be seen. For now we should expect an announcement from COAS asking IK and TUQ to leave with their respective mobs (and all to see him in a couple of days so that he could "mediate" among them, or make up something along such lines).

Just my hunch. God knows best...

wali Sep 02, 2014 05:49am

Just release the "peti bhai" - Mr. Musharaf, they will be happy. Good and accurate analysis. Keep it up.

Sufian Sep 02, 2014 05:51am

Why is it so hard for people to digest when army has again and again assured to be with domacracy? Do you really think if army wanted to intervene it would rely on such things? The best chance to intervene was when the whole government including defense ministry defamed army during geo saga, but it didn't. Army has done a perfect job so far. NS' policies actually attract coups all the time, a sham democrat is what he is.

ahmed Sep 02, 2014 05:58am

Stop dragging Army into the politics. Let us review some facts: 1. Imran Khan asked for recount at 4 constituencies. I don't see anything wrong. NS or the government should have no role and has no legitimacy in stopping a challenger. More importantly why did NS not facilitate it instead of stopping it. 2. NS and SS and Sharif family is one of the most corrupt, if you want detail call email me. Will be happy to share some facts from London office and also little details from Saudi Arabia. Summary: Elections were rigged and there has to be a time for challenging the illegitimate rulers. The rulers are corrupt and must be punished.

I Naqvi Sep 02, 2014 05:59am

You may be right. But the government itself is responsible for the state of affairs. It seems the PML-N leadership is devoid of qualities necessary to deal with such situation. They first got killed some 14 supporters of Qadri and then denied him the right for registration of an FIR, thus justifying his protests and to some extent his demands. Likewise, the government should have acceded to IK's demands for opening of four constituencies for probing alleged rigging in the first instance. Your analysis may be right, but only scolding army for allegedly taking sides is not justified. It is the govt which has brought the situation to such point. So the author should have taken all angles in his / her analysis.

Muneer Sep 02, 2014 05:59am

You are talking about gathereing of crowd outside GHQ.The GHQ was attacked by the 'terrorists' with guns to submit them to follow their policy,the same 'terrorists' with whom Nawaz Sharif(NS) wants to talk and not fight.Had the NS government made a choice to side with the 'terrorists'?. And when the Army initiated an operation against the 'terrorists',the NS government created the present situation by initiating Model Town massacre.Khawaja Asif(KA) in his one speech in the NA said that,' Did we raise this army and provided them with guns etc to fire these on our own people and fight with its own 'people'' ?.Now why you want the same Army to repeal own people and KA an NS

Indian Panjabi Wellwisher Sep 02, 2014 06:00am

It is the responsibility of Pak national institutions like the Law and Order, Police, Judiciary to uphold the democratic institutions there. The Pak Army and ISI should only do their duties when required and not interfere in democracy otherwise it will be a coup and Pak public will keep on suffering like they have done innumerable times since their independence. In addition, Pak Central government should ensure the rights and safety of minorities like Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Ahmadiyas and Sindhis to make it an effective democracy, not a false one. Good wishes from an Indian panjabi.

Imran Sep 02, 2014 06:00am

Pak army is doing right,what about killing in Model town, why there is no FIR, why Phaspores gas was used on peaceful protestors??? Our Government is no Angle from Heavens

Ahmed Kashif Saeed Sep 02, 2014 06:03am

Excellent editorial

Nishant Sep 02, 2014 06:04am

@M. Emad cat was never in the bag, we are talking about Pakistan....Pakistani people clearly don't want democracy.

samar Sep 02, 2014 06:13am

Army has power coming to them lying on a plate they will end up being in power and still look good that does not happen everyday ...

Noman Sep 02, 2014 06:14am

@Arif with no disrespect meant to Arif sb, it is indeed regretful that the army is still considered a legitimate arbitrar between squabbling politicians by some individuals. Having lived for over 60 years in an environment where the army narrative is the only narrative spoken it is difficult for some of us to see the khakis as subservient to the constitution. If there was ever a role for them to play in this crisis it was to protect state institutions today and hold to account the vandals. Alas they should not have been to play even this role had our police and civilian admin apparatus been respected and seen as capable. But civilian shortcomings are not any reason to let one dominating entity continue to dominate and keep all else in check. We as a nation will need to learn patience and respect other people's opinions while exercising the right to form own opinions based on open minded and honest unbiased scrutiny and analysis of facts. If we learn this then we will learn to improve as a democratic country where one school of thought waits for the other to finish its term in office before judging whether their way of handling things was better than Wat the other school of thought had planned

Moona Sep 02, 2014 06:15am

Clear-sighted analysis. Our hearts are heavy.

Faisal Aziz Sep 02, 2014 06:17am

Why is everyone calling this a brave move? It's not like media and everyone else not criticizing our institutions enough already including the Armed Forces and Judiciary. And I am sure no one has been sent to prison. Criticizing one institution over a conspiracy theory is bravery? Thank God our Armed Forcsed are strobg as an institution as the way out politicians behave, we are on verge of becoming another Ukraine. Due to the strength of our Armed forces as an institution, we will never be like Syria, Libya or Iraq. We should leave the armed forces alone and instead write editorials on whether the demands of PTI and PAT are fair and reasonable...if they are not, we should explain how, so people stop coming to their ever longed protest entering the 21st day. The way our political system has been for sixty some years, thank God Armed Forces are not acting like Armed Forces of Georgia.

AH Sep 02, 2014 06:18am

A weak editorial. It should have highlighted the fact how this all started. It has failed to mention the root cause of this standout. It has failed to mention the political acumen of the PM and his party who should have tackled this situation months ago by agreeing to the demands of the 3rd largest political party by opening recounting in four constituencies. But because PML-N knew well that by doing that would expose their "fair mandate" in elections, it decided to push it under the rug hoping that it would go away on its own. Well, unfortunate for NS, there are some really stubborn people and IK is one of them and once he sets his eyes on something and believes in it, he does not budge. So, there you have it. Everyone is now clamoring how IK is sabotaging the democracy but what the same people are forgetting is that there is no democracy in the country. A stolen mandate does not bring democracy. I am a big critic of IK when it comes to his support for the Talibans but if his current effort transforms the electoral system and takes corruption out of it then it will be a win for all Pakistanis.

Ashraf Sep 02, 2014 06:19am

Pakistan's democratic edifices have come crashing down all over again. I didn't expect Imran Khan to be anything but a true democrat - even his support for Musharraf notwithstanding. It is highly unlikely that the army will stage a coup because Pakistan's military does not have the backing of the West. Looks like a military stooge will be made the PM this time. This was to be expected when you consider that Imran Khan's principal adviser is Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed who has very dodgy democratic credentials.

farhan Sep 02, 2014 06:19am

Good work. Somebody should wake up the Nation against these Thugs who are in disguise of protestors. These Mureeds of a so called PEER attacked State Channel office and Crushed the wall of Parliament. Amazingly troops did nothing when they trying to hit the wall with truck even after they ransacked PTV troops did nothing. Salute to SSP Junejo who got injured.

Syed Tirmizey Sep 02, 2014 06:21am

A timely editorial. We are distressed to see the turn of events being Pakistanis living abroad. It is strange that few thousand people can hold the government and the running of the country. Wondering who are backing and financing them. The grin on Imran's face when he went to see COAS was very meaningful. Where is the so called Third Umpire. Now we hear about Neutral Umpire. We hope sanity prevails ultimately.

Ashraf Sep 02, 2014 06:21am

I sincerely hope the editorial staff of Dawn are safe after writing a piece like this. I wish them a long, healthy life and hats off to their courage. Lesser people would have chosen safer subjects to write about.

Ali Sep 02, 2014 06:24am

Pls do not involve army on dirty politics they can't fire to public look like edditor wants more bloodshed

Key Points Sep 02, 2014 06:25am

A keen observer of ongoing events would notice that army has been neutral during these political protests. Furthermore, one can not avoid noticing police brutality on peaceful protesters.If constitution allows Pakistani citizens to gather and protest against any wrongdoings of ruling political party, than this right to protests should not be obstructed, as long as it is peaceful. Given the fact that protesters were blocked than attacked by police force, their democratic right to protest was taken away. No body should blame Pak army for mismanagement of affairs by political leaders. Pak army Zindabad, Pakistan Zindabad.

Disgusted_Democrat Sep 02, 2014 06:26am

You can either have the intervene legally or not at all if you wish to retain democracy. The army can only intervene legally if the PM and parliament officially pass a law requesting the army to establish martial law. As yet the Pakistan parliament has passed no such law, or if the President of Pakistan as the Commander in Chief of the armed forces orders the army to leave the barracks and intervene in civil affairs. Has the President of Pakistan issued any such order?

So basically all of you criticizing the army are saying that army should act extra-judicially. How is that different than a coup? Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

The army has done everything legally. It cannot and should not act on its own. I say well done to the Generals! This is a civil matter that must be resolved using civil and democratic means. If you ask the army to intervene, you admit that democracy and civil institutions have failed. Will anyone admit to that? And if you do, then why should the army not take power itself?

krishna prasad Sep 02, 2014 06:29am

When you watch the high drama for the last 17 days, you can easily assert that PM-Nawaz is being targeted and nothing more. Also, you can see the PM's uneasy calm in his demeanor is due to the fact that his hands were tied by some 3rd force. He has been possibly warned/blackmailed to work towards pleasing these 2 thugs in their high drama due to the hidden support from a 3rd empire so far. When the drama didn't yield expected results, the next action is to pull government into defending their stake in government institutions with minimal force against these hoodlums surcharged by these misguided leaders. When all came out in the open, now 3rd force retreated back to barracks. Live bullets were used by hudlooms to blame government though its police never used live bullets except rubber ones and teargas. Dangerous play to serve its own interests at the cost of human lives. Needed to be thoroughly probed and punished without any bias for the overall good of its own people and country.

imtiaz hamid Sep 02, 2014 06:30am

Cogratulation on excellent analysis,I am glad to see somebody has the courage to clearly see through the fog and state the obvious. From day 1 umpire ,finger has been hinted. who is the umpire or is it the Empire who is striking back. Army has stood by watching the ik and tuq,s workers wreak havoc on the capital. Rightly pointed out that army takes order from civilian government , not the other way around. Army has forbidden the use of force. essentially given a carte blanche to tuq and ik for ransacking the Islamabad

Life Sep 02, 2014 06:34am

Thank you Dawn

Rishad Sep 02, 2014 06:35am

Bravo Dabang. Salaam to you and the police force for facing the mob with sticks only, and getting beaten up so badly. By doing that, and not otherwise, you MAY have spoiled the design of those who wanted more bodies to justify their demand. You are my hero. Thank you very much. Hope you recover soon.

Muneer Sep 02, 2014 06:37am

You are talking about allowing a crowd outside GHQ,the fact is that 'terrorists' attacked GHQ to force them to comply with their Policy/Agenda.The same 'terrorists' with whom Nawaz Sharif(NS)wants to talk.Did NS make a choice to side with the 'terrorists' ?.And when Army started an operation against them,the government created a situation of Model Town massacre.It is a different matter that the episode back fired.Khawaja Asif(KA)in his one of the speech in NA said that,'Did we raise the Army and provided them with guns to fire,fight and take action against its own 'people''?,Now NS and KA wants the same army to fire and take action against its own people.Also remember that the notification under which Army has been called in as per Article 245 specifically indicate that it is to thwart terrorism.The Interior Minister told the NA that Army is not there in Islamabad to take action against people in Long March/Dharna.Yet you also wants the Army to repeal them thus forcing the Army to take an unconstitutional step and has termed it as making a choice.NS,KA and PMLN government are reaping what they have sown.

ivehadit Sep 02, 2014 06:41am

really well written. at least someone is seeing through the clouds. no other explanation for the immunity IK and TUQ seem to enjoy.

Zia Khan Sep 02, 2014 06:45am

The article does not take into account the highhandedness of the government. The situation worsened from Model Town Massacre and government is persistently blocking the path of justice and accountability. The government is being reminded again and again by the army to put the house in order and this is what PMLN should do and control its Gullu Butts.The police charge on peaceful protesters is another criminal act of the government and army cannot kill own people to please Nawaz. All criminal acts of the government starting from Model Town are being portrayed as army conspiracy.

Irshad Sep 02, 2014 06:45am

@Muneer the biggest proponent of talks with TTP is IK himself. Of course NS also wants talks.

Ra Sep 02, 2014 06:50am

nobody has come out the winner.

the state gets weakened over egotistic turf wars.

and yes " Everybody knows The poor stay poor, the rich get rich "

but now we all nurture (or for the cynical it gets reinforced) mutual mistrust .state institutions and civil leadership caught in a perverse 'prisoner's dilemma'.

Riaz Sep 02, 2014 06:51am

Where was the Army when Nawaz and group were rigging the elections.

M. Ahmad Sep 02, 2014 06:52am

Whom does one believe, Nawaz, Army or Imran. If Nawaz was a more honest and credible person compared to the other two parties then one would agree with this editorial but that is not the case. If we had strong, ethical, honest and just leaders governing this country then army would not issue such statements or get engaged in political issues.

Umer Ansari Sep 02, 2014 06:53am

The only rational piece so far. The editor has brought to the debate a valid problem. We need to strengthen the army's decision making process. I feel corps commander's need a mandatory training in economics and understand that we loose time and money as a nation with internal bickering. The biggest winner is our national competition ' India' if things slow down further.

IK has a very bright future in next elections if he shows Performance in KPK in this term. I believe patience and restraint in political ambition,would enable him to perform well in KPK.

FR Sep 02, 2014 06:53am

The analysis or wrong or right that's questionable itself but a so-called politician who is groomed by army "Gen Zia" is supposed to follow what army says because he is not a politician to start with.

Amjad Wyne Sep 02, 2014 06:55am

@Hassan No that is not how it happened. The reason why army did not do anything because it was not deployed. Army was asked to come in and restore the situation after the mob had already started to walk out. Read on the BBC for the full account of how it unfolded.

Naveed Khan Sep 02, 2014 06:56am

Resignation Game : we going to set dangerous precedent . How about few thousand PML - or PPP protesters gather outside GHQ and demand DG- ISI or COAS resignation! what next - CJ !

Atta Sep 02, 2014 06:57am

Excellent analysis. Agree 100%. Hope Urdu papers write similar stuff. This editorial should be part of future history books. Might is right. Pakistan has always been good playground for these MIGHTY activities. Puppets are always available misleading people under the name of religion and politics.

Shehryar Mazari Sep 02, 2014 07:02am

I am glad to see Dawn has made such a strong stand on this issue. We have suffered for over thirty years under military dictators under various guises. Ironically most of our Establishment derided politicians were actually created by the generals themselves (Zulfikar Bhutto by Ayub, Nawaz Sharif by Zia, not to mention some of the recent ones by Musharraf). And now we discover that Imran Khan is the latest edition in this series. It's high time these devious underhand games came to an end.

Shahid Sep 02, 2014 07:03am

What about "Questionable Decisions" of the Government. In last one year govt made every effort to sabotage the rigging inquiry. Govt killed 14 people in model town and then failed to provide justice as per the constitution. Today's mess is created due to government's political and administrative blunders.

Syed Ahmed Sep 02, 2014 07:05am

@Arif: I have also been reading dawn since Pakistan's independence. The first time I felt disappointed when the news paper founded by Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah changed its name to "Herald". However the news paper soon reverted to its original name "Dawn" Second time I felt disappointed to read the editor the editorial finding faults in the Army. Kya PPML(N) ko Saat Khoon Maaf hain?

Syed Ahmed Sep 02, 2014 07:05am

@Arif: I have also been reading dawn since Pakistan's independence. The first time I felt disappointed when the news paper founded by Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah changed its name to "Herald". However the news paper soon reverted to its original name "Dawn" Second time I felt disappointed to read the editor the editorial finding faults in the Army. Kya PPML(N) ko Saat Khoon Maaf hain?

Ghulam abbas Sep 02, 2014 07:08am

Extremely courageous and Laudable Editorial, esp given the history of State in state (ISI) dealing harshly and inhumanely with journalist.Very very brave and defiant act by a true patriotic paper and editor. Pakistani nation salutes you.

magi6 Sep 02, 2014 07:09am

I am an Indian and probably should not comment on things internal to Pakistan. However, I like highest standards of journalism practised by Dawn

M Sep 02, 2014 07:11am

" it was the government that fundamentally still had some questions hanging over its legitimacy simply because Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri alleged so.."

you need extra strong glasses! the videos of rigging are all over the place. yesterday, a judge was filmed along with his helpers recounting saad rafique's halaqa (constituency) where the insider informed he was losing by 45htousand votes and counting hadn't been completed! also the informer said there were hurrying up to balance the voting count in favour of saad !

oh did you see the drama played by marive memon in ptv building? the stolen cameras, the broken stores etc. both her and saad rafique deserve an acting award for their performances !

as for the army coming in, is it so bad? was mushraf tenure was so bad? if army comes in to get rid of these corrupt to the core politicians then majority of pakistan will be happy. just small narrow minded, false "democracy" shouting people like yourselves will be gunning for nawas group!

Naveed Khan Sep 02, 2014 07:12am

@wali I don't think - after Pak TV ; any time soon "peti bhai" gonna go - PML - PPP both got burned from 'peti bhais - and not any time soon - the both going stop supporting each other - eventually - this has weakened Qadri - Ik in international press too - GEO still closed - I guess - sooner or later -- DG - ISI and Hamid Mir drama or durnas will play soon - few thousand journalist at the gates of GHQ -- what next !

Amjad Wyne Sep 02, 2014 07:15am

@Naveed Khan What kind of logic are you presenting - ISI or Army Chief are not asking anyone to resign. I have a feeling that the movement against the army was started by the supporters of the Talibans so it will get distracted and leave them alone.

Shahid Sep 02, 2014 07:15am

Quite a self refuting article by Dawn. It is now known why the author is "Editorial" as, for a single person it takes up a lot of courage to speak against Army. The important thing to understand is that this government does not carry any legitimacy as the elections were rigged and if you ever happen to visit the PTI website, they have published a comprehensive analysis which should serve as a proof for rigging.

pathanoo Sep 02, 2014 07:15am

An excellent substantiated article. Any one with an iota of a brain knows that Army has a hand in it. Army does not want a strong Democracy irrespective of who is the ruling party. If the civilian Government is stable; the Army has to go back to the barracks and would eventually be asked to explain all it's involvements in businesses and industry and the Billions of Dollars they have earned and never paid a single cent of taxes. And, lots more i.e. disappearance of innocent Baluchs and other Pakistanis, pay offs to political parties and list goes on. It is quite plausible that Imran Khan is just a puppet of the Army and doing their bidding with his reward being an early election or outright PMship without an election as they dethrone nawaz Sharif. Democracy in Pakistan if not dead; is definitely on oxygen. Definitely COMATOSE.

Ahmer Sep 02, 2014 07:16am

There are still some people left in Pakistan with courage to tell the truth as it is.

Abid Ali Qureshi Sep 02, 2014 07:18am


Rajaram Sep 02, 2014 07:20am

This is a conspiracy against the voters of Punjab and their elected leaders who are being pressurized to give up their elected positions and responsibilities by a mob and its leaders urged on by an army peeved at the present government for taking to court their boss for organizing a coup and destroying the constitution a few years ago. IK and Mr Kadri are mere tools. I think it is time the people of Punjab who elected the present leaders stand up for their rights and against people planning for a return of military dictatorship using quislings in place of independent minded and democratic leader Nawaz Sharif and his team. Dawn Editorial is fair - der say aayaa magar durusth AYA,

Abid Ali Qureshi Sep 02, 2014 07:21am

Eye opener for all Pakistanis. Its Real and Brave editorial. God bless our country.

ariz Sep 02, 2014 07:22am

In any civilized nation, this would have been the responsibility of the local police commissioner or chief to handle with such situation. No one would have dared to interfere in working of police, be it the prime minister or any army chief.

Azeem Ali Sep 02, 2014 07:22am

Whats is worse is that it exposes that our democracy is a facade all along. All political parties running to the army for direction and support-makes it look like a joke. Which country would now like to negotiate with the civilian government when the politicians cannot function without the army-I am sure India is taking notes when the next time our civilian fools want to have talks.I just hope the army takes over and sends these jokers to where they belong-the circus!

Shaukat ali Sep 02, 2014 07:23am

Continue publishing such important articles. A minority of blinded ik supporters won't believe anything negative about pti but the rest agree that ik couldn't lift a finger without behind the scenes backing let alone storm the pm house

Rialto wala Sep 02, 2014 07:24am

The real power belongs to BANDOOK Party namely ---the Army-not Navy nor Air Force: for whom Bangladesh is grateful.

danial Sep 02, 2014 07:26am

Thank god the army isn't neutral. A corrupt politician can rig the elections with this influence in the judiciary and the election commission, does to power and loots the country and gives the government to his family members, yet what you can whine about is why army isn't being neutral? The army is saving this country from enemies outside and within. The army must not remain neutral until our uneducated population can start voting beyond ethnic lines and for people who deserve that democratic position.

Muhammad Mukhtar Sep 02, 2014 07:29am

With all due respect, I have following questions to ask and I am not a PTI worker:

1) Did Army tell Govt. not to respond to IK while he has been requesting for the last 14 months. He went to all possible doors to get justice.

2) Did Army tell NS govt. to massacre in Model Town?

3) Did Army tell NS to back off from his words in the Parliament?

4) Did Army tell NS not to launch FIR?

5) Did Army ask NS govt. to use power on our own people insanely?

6) Did Army ask NS govt. to attack media in such a way as if there is no tomorrow?

These are points to ponder.

ifti Sep 02, 2014 07:30am

@Amjad Wyne ....very nice bro

Afraz Sep 02, 2014 07:30am

One sided analysis is neither complete nor justified. You got to see both sides of the coin please...

Ghulam Abbas Sep 02, 2014 07:36am

14 months of PML (N) rule shows that the rulers are incompetent and dishonest esp NS with 3rd time PM. When literate people talk and write about so called democracy, I wonder and feel sorry for them. Killing dozens of innocent people and injuring more that 500 in their country, is this democracy? Parliament, and constitution are meant to protect our people, not to kill the people ruthlessly just in the name of protecting democracy (read demons cracy). I am of the view that country is meant to protect its citizens under all circumstances and must consider the humane life as precious as those of ministers.

Without deciding right or wrong or who takes whose side. See the miserable conditions of the protesting people and shelling of tear gas, baton charges and see the dead bodies and crippled people lying in the hospitals. Human conscience of ministers/rulers and even some of readers is dead and they are not even willing to say the truth and empathize with protesting people who are also struggling/fighting on their behalf too.

We are sitting in the comfort zone and writing on the basis of our inclination and information we have. Not willing to discuss/write in support of the protester who want to uproot the status quo forces/rulers who gave us nothing in the last 66 years instead plundered and looted every penny of national money to make their business empire higher and higher. Final word: We must listen to our inner and true voice (not just the flood of information) and pen it down to contribute to illuminate the minds of readers.

Farrukh shah Sep 02, 2014 07:38am

My comments might not be included as these might be considered against the editorial. I want to ask the question form honourable editor that how the insurgencies are started? this is how they are, sir. When there is no body to restrain and political and legal government and this lack of justice and humanity leads to armed insurgency which might be the next stage if army does not intervene. Taliban are already preaching the democracy as mother of all evils and in this case if protesters which are mostly from KPK might be attracted to the Taliban propaganda. Gen Raheel Sharif was hand picked by Nawaz Sharif, what happen now? why it is always like that in case of Nawaz Sharif? The dream of Nawaz Sharif of sending a DSP to remove Army Chief is in practicable as ever and stupid if I could say. Unfortunately, we do not keep our national interest once pursuing personal interest.

Kamran Sep 02, 2014 07:39am

All political leaders should understand that it is the Armed Forces that are the real power in Pakistan - whether they like it or not. Of all the people, it is Nawaz Sharif who should know that. This is not the first time that he has clashed with the Army and both the time he has lost. All the time, the Army tried to convince Nawaz not to proceed with the trial of Musharraf but Nawaz did not get of his high horse and thought himself to be powerful enough to ride to glory. Too bad for Pakistan that politicians overestimate their power not realizing that they are there for a few years only whereas institutions are there for as long as Pakistan.

hamza khan Sep 02, 2014 07:45am

@Rana Brabar

this notion is utter nonsense and a eyewash. lest we forget that IK and TUQ have been for some time now crying hoarse about the unjust and unfair way the country has been running. IK was worried and upset about the elections. TUQ was rallying to completely overhaul the corrupt governance system. this has nothing at all to do with musharraf. the army has only gotten increasingly involved because the government asked it. has dawn editorial staff forgotten the reports of NS asking the army to intervene and being told by gen raheel sharif that the army cannot fire on its own civilians. and of course we should also not forget how pathological the N league has been about lying to save itself. a dictator NS thinks he can pressure a war hero like musharraf. musharraf will not bend or bow before anyone. nor does he need IK and TUQ to save him. God is with him. geo musharraf!

zobia khan Sep 02, 2014 07:45am

@AbbasToronto And you know very well what both Lenin and Castro did. Have you visited Cuba recently and seen the Havoc that Castro inflicted upon his people? Lenin and Castro are no heroes. They are thugs.

Hassan Sep 02, 2014 07:47am

@Zainab They are responsible for internal and external security of the country. Then how will they save nuclear assets, if pakistani Taliban (as mullah Fazallulla said that Imran/Qadri showed them the way) come to the capital.Will they say they are apolitical?

A. J. KHAN Sep 02, 2014 07:49am

Great, what a true analysis, Thank GOD some one figured it out. this is an eye opener for the old nation. COAS is suppose to work at the pleasure of the PM. not the other way around. where is the loyalty. The Govt. must take a note of it.

alli Sep 02, 2014 07:49am

bangladesh models this time ...should the army intervene pakistan is a goner.

zobia khan Sep 02, 2014 07:49am

What good is this Army if it cannot even defend its capital from people carrying sticks? They could not prevent the takeover of a state institution. Imagine what will happen when a real army shows up.

An army should never have a mind of its own. They are there to follow orders of the government. It is interesting that this very army openly violated civilian rights during Zia's time, massacred protesters without any feelings, and yet when a civilian government calls on it to defend state institutions they are suddenly incapable.

A Hameed Sep 02, 2014 07:51am

Excellent analysis. The army is the REAL villain here. Everyone else is mere puppets. Javed Hashmi just confirmed the puppet status of the PTI chief. Qadri is already known to be an instrument of some "unseen" forces. I find it both remarkable and unbelievable as to how conveniently and "sincerely" army keeps on issuing statements binding government's hands and forcing them to negotiate with goons and thugs. Let's face it, the government is also made of inept and idiotic thugs. But the tactics used by army to secretly force governments hands to either weaken it or oust it are plain despicable and shameless!!!!

Hassan Sep 02, 2014 07:51am

@Amjad Wyne Please read 245 of the constitution. They have powers to act and to protect assets.

zobia khan Sep 02, 2014 07:52am

@AbbasToronto Name one thing they have done that is in access, illegal and without permit from Parliament? IK levels all types of allegations but he short on specifics.

SNA` Sep 02, 2014 07:53am

Yes it is very painful however I agree whatever has been said in the editorial. The whole objective, it appears, is to clip the civilian government to size, if not make a coup and remove it. GHQ is far off, imagine if they would allow anybody to come near the armed forces recruitment center on the mall road in front of Military Hospital. It is Pakistan's army and we love them however they should not take sides with thugs and carry on their duty to protect Pakistan and assets of Pakistan.

I had been wondering all along that why they are not catching IQ & TUQ despite these two making such provocative statements inciting violence against the state. Their legitimate demands should be met and which the government has already indicated to do so, however, still asking to government for restraint, against thugs and looters who are on the rampage damaging state property, creates confusion and is baffling.

Army role is that of protector of state and by taking sides, with those who have no regard for the rule of law, it has apparently compromised on their duty. It appears that by doing nothing and giving maximum possible to these miscreants and wishfully thinking that probably the fire will erupt in whole country in sympathy of these cowards who are promoting anti Pakistan agenda.

If we play with fire it may get out of control and inflict an irreparable loss to the country. We must not forget what has happened in the recent past, and currently happening, in Libya, Egypt, Tunis and Syria. What is being doing today to cut a government to its size is going to haunt Pakistan and all the players badly. Yesterday, militias in Libya took over many ministries just an advanced version of TUQ model.

Lets pray and try to not to let that happen in our country. It is our country and we should protect it.

saad Sep 02, 2014 07:54am

The writer fails to understand 3 important issues. 1) this is or at least was perceived to be a political issue. The army doesn't want to take the government's side on a "political issue". 2) the army already has its hand full. The last thing it wants is to have a headline saying " soilder shot protestor in cold blood". 3) the army has no training in crowd control. It is not thier job, period. If anything the govt tried to use and drag the army to force a solution on the protestors.

Hassan Sep 02, 2014 07:55am

@Josh Wishful thinking. He knew everything about Musharaf and let him stay in Army Hospital for a month to avoid trials at court.

S. Tanwir Hasan Sep 02, 2014 07:55am

Well done. Kudos to such an Editorial. To a person with average semblance of intelligence level Army is not acting at all subservient or at least to the side of the democratic elected government, where it should legally be standing to, thus continuation of this chaos and turmoil. What is the point of saying use no force when it is the agitators who started show of force and attacked and attacking government properties and government functionaries. It is clear that Army is acting like a foreign army and equating agitators with the legal and democratic government selected by people of Pakistan.

Shaukat Sep 02, 2014 07:56am

@Amjad Wyne ,yeh,they(Govt;) should order the army to shoot any body who wanted to destroy the democracy and all the Govt; sensitive installations and buildings.

Masood Sep 02, 2014 07:59am

I absolutely agree with your analysis. In fact, I myself had broached these questions on my blog--though not so eloquently--just yesterday. Thank you so much for this candid appraisal of Army's actions so far.

If you are interested you can take a look at my blog entry here: (I have redacted the "http:// part.")

bilal Sep 02, 2014 07:59am

Ridiculous one sided article based on assumption. you dont understand that the Pak army is not nawaz's dad servants like police is.. they will not shoot people. how off you are in this article about Army's role. If army wanted to throw nawaz in the indian ocean, it will take them about 24 hrs to do so and they will not need IMRAN for that.. IMRAN is the only hope my country has to get back to where it should have been AFTER Quad e Azam's death.

fk Sep 02, 2014 08:00am

@Muneer How about IK he was and still is very strong supporter of the same TTP attacking GHQ?

at length Sep 02, 2014 08:06am

so according to dawn the only savoir for the nation is the Nawaz Sharif's government and its allies? IK bashing is a boon granted... and now his imagined allies too will be under-fire-????

Being an IK supporter, I see that the army actually helped the government by advising the government to exercise restraint while using the police force only without mentioning the PML-N's thugs' handling of the model town situation. the army could have kept silent and let the government dig its grave by more killings.... which could have been used for government's arms twisting for more leverage than it already has... Hashmi is simply army-phobic and that the hint of IK bragging about the backing of army could be nothing more than the ongoing PML-N's tireless campaign against army from WSJ to DAWN.

BRAVO DAWN you will have to keep this editorial framed to recall one day that dawn went for a narrative based on conspiracy theory to this length..

P.S. army knows how to defend and uphold its outlook, and it will. but the Khan only believes and rightly in God's help and the masses' support.

a disgruntled reader... but a staunch IK supporter....

Ali Sep 02, 2014 08:13am

Krishna i will not support Army or anyone for that mater i just want to ask you that what democracy and elected leadership, do you know this election was rigged and all these people are very corrupt. People of this age (65 or above) will guide their nation, but here in Pakistan everyone is watching, because they don't have any power in their hands. You people are supporting corrupt politician, because you have your own aims? All the Pakistani nation came to know about these things and in future will not support these corrupt tycoons.

Now i will ask from world leaders specially from US, despite they know what has happened during election. Since day first Imran Khan is asking for justice and once he didn't had even he knocked at the doorstep of court, and finally he came on street. The people who wants to protect their government, they had planned all these things against Imran to propagate and get the benefit. We know what is going on inside/outside of our country.

Ali Sep 02, 2014 08:13am

Krishna i will not support Army or anyone for that mater i just want to ask you that what democracy and elected leadership, do you know this election was rigged and all these people are very corrupt. People of this age (65 or above) will guide their nation, but here in Pakistan everyone is watching, because they don't have any power in their hands. You people are supporting corrupt politician, because you have your own aims? All the Pakistani nation came to know about these things and in future will not support these corrupt tycoons.

Now i will ask from world leaders specially from US, despite they know what has happened during election. Since day first Imran Khan is asking for justice and once he didn't had even he knocked at the doorstep of court, and finally he came on street. The people who wants to protect their government, they had planned all these things against Imran to propagate and get the benefit. We know what is going on inside/outside of our country.

Ayaz Sep 02, 2014 08:16am

Army should have removed Nawaz Govt by now.Why they are not doing it, is questionable.

Kala Ingrez Sep 02, 2014 08:21am

Excellent, the army did the right thing for a change. I am not a supporter of Army taking over, but I do not want the army to attack civilian either as suggested by your editorial. I need to ask the all knowing editor to reveal the sources and the hardcore evidences to backup his absurd claim or is he basing his accusations on Javeed Hashmi's flip flop claims?

Taimoor Ameer Mukhtar Sep 02, 2014 08:24am

@Arif Zarkoon I agree with you !

zafar Sep 02, 2014 08:26am

@Hassan Yes absolutely. A big question mark over the army role in this crisis.

Abrar Sep 02, 2014 08:26am

Your assumption is that the government is legitimate, but you ignore the fact that this political elite has rigged the entire electoral process to an extent that nobody but these elites can even dare to run in elections. I am against intervention of military in politics but I am also against continuation of status quo. If continuation/alternation of Sharif and Zardari/Bhutto clans into power corridors is "legitimate democracy" for you where rest of the nation perpetually suffer, I consider it worse than any dictatorship. Army needs to be on the side of the people not just politicians.

Faruq Sep 02, 2014 08:31am

The army wasn't involved much till the government dragged it into the debacle. Also, after incidents such as the Model Town tragedy and the response to it, I see the government as barely legitimate.

Aziz Ihsan Sep 02, 2014 08:32am

@Riaz They were never part of the process

Afzaal Waraich Sep 02, 2014 08:33am

So Mr Hashmi is telling the truth but not the ISPR . seriously?

Nazir Sep 02, 2014 08:34am

Very well written and bold analysis. They were brought to protect the buildings and what they did, was totally opposite. Actions speak louder than words.

Hamza Khalid Sep 02, 2014 08:36am

When there is no one else to blame, blame it on the Army!!!! They impose a Martial Law : They are bad. They don't impose: they are bad. What an absolute shame.

What do you expect the Army to do in the midst of all this? Sit in their homes and remain apolitical while their country burns?

It has recently become a very revered tradition especially among journalists to bash Army just to prove to people that they are not afraid to speak out against anyone, 'not even the army'.

Ali Z Waziri Sep 02, 2014 08:37am

@Amjad Wyne Thank you Amjad Sahib for pointing at the elephant in the room. I was thinking on the same but was astonished at the readers who did not pick this up.

Weirdity Sep 02, 2014 08:39am

Absolutely correct analysis. Pinching the baby and rocking the cradle. A brave effort i might add in these uncertain times.

Saif Sep 02, 2014 08:41am

@Asad Absolutely brilliant, Asad...

Weirdity Sep 02, 2014 08:43am

What would happen if Kaptaan, the canadian and their followers try to rush the GHQ? Would the army hold talks with the Kaptaan? Everything has been staged just as Mr.Hashmi has explained. The puppeteers have been exposed now.

Hassan Sep 02, 2014 08:45am

So you want army to use force to remove all of the protesters in the red zone ..... such a NAIVE and DAFT approach .... army to come in vehicles, army to shoot at civils , army to take them to justice , army to clear the whole of the constitution avenue, army to solve a political crisis, army to clear the mess created by govt. Whats more!! you want army to do your dirty work because you have failed as political force ,,,, grow up please.

And seriously all of the comments made praising the editorial;s piece a brave one need a brain check ... highly biased article really disappointed with your editorial (a bunch of TABLOID FREAKS not journalists).

And btw your petite attempts of gaining hits on your site by making an attractive title and also channel are sorry to say shameless. Weren't you the ones who broadcasted the news "COAS advising PM to resign" only to be embarrassed by the ISPR denial later? now dont say that you didn't because that will be called a lie. Grow up please for heavens sake.

Nisar Ahmad Sep 02, 2014 08:50am

Excellent analysis. If army wishes protestors can not stay in that area even for an hour. Iwas ashamed to see commander embracing protestor rather arresting him outside PTV .

saeedmalik Sep 02, 2014 08:51am

Why we need army. Show and tell. Jaweed Hashmi is right. There is no country in the world where Army will not protect its own capital .Why we are chasing Taliban? You can not protect your own capital from these thugs.

Khurram Sep 02, 2014 08:55am

Thank you dawn .brave have done your part in stopping another military coup in Pakistan. Hats off to you

Naveed Ahmad Sep 02, 2014 08:55am

True & Good editorial.

sb Sep 02, 2014 08:56am

Yes. The Chief of Army can be Court Martialed for allowing a mutiny. And this well written article points in that direction.

Munir Siddiqi Sep 02, 2014 08:59am

The BEST. My thought goes to Altaf Hussain;s Dawan of fifties when he took very courageous stand with that famous Iqbal.s piece Aye tayer e lahooti us rizq se mout achi. Please keep the flag of journalism flying. Log live Dawn.

think_then_speak Sep 02, 2014 08:59am

I wish a safe future for our children who have to bear the consequences of this strange approach of our armed force to side with the unconstitutional forces. Bangladesh model is a euphemism used for this lack of neutrality. All institutions of the state need support of each other. The state weakens in such confrontation and in the weak state none of the institutions would prosper. We are reaping the harvest of institutional weakening in 1980s, and this time the confrontation would have more grave consequences.

kdspirited Sep 02, 2014 09:00am

Fact # ! NS has visited the COAS three times in the last week not the other way around. Fact #2 NS and his brother SS committed blatant murders of innocent civilians in Lahore with impunity Fact # 3 Army is doing what it is supposed to do holding the Govt. responsible to do their jobs. It is the govt responsibility to control the situation Fact # 4 This govt. has proven time and time again that it is incapable of doing its job and running this country.

These are the facts the rest ir reading too much between the lines as always.

A Mangal Sep 02, 2014 09:00am

You say bad things to army, implicate any method you choose, accuse any way you deem fit, then why army have a say when politicians are fighing among themselves like dog and cat? It is sheer rotten attitude and crisis they (politicians) creat, make government, country categorically broke, loot and leave the country bankrupt. Now, Amy doesn't want to rescue when politicians can not resolve, clean their act then even you are joining the band wagon to accuse army for being biased and not intervening in the civilian crisis! Let me bluntly pose you a question why are you pulling army into polical crisis when even PM did not invite army as he asserted? I hate to educate you that army's main function is to protect the country against any foreign threat, police is there to maintain law and order "within" the boundaries of the country. This is my basic simple civic lesson to you which should have been taught in 8th grade. However, it's never late to learn! Be proud of your army who give their life for your bright tomorrow! And never accuse Amy to clean rotten, disgusting civilian short comings!

Mohammad Fareed Sep 02, 2014 09:02am

I'm a physician,a teacher and a naturalized US citizen who reads Dawn every day and is my most important link to my motherland.Lately I've noticed this great newspaper is becoming biased one way or the other. I love democracy and I'm a complete democrat even when I'm teaching medical students and doctors in terms of respecting their opinion. Democracy is when a one time black senator gets the nomination of his party ahead of two time First Lady of the most successful president. When you speak up for the type of democracy and so called democrats who are corrupt to the core and the judiciary serving only the elite and powerful and the entire system so bad that any system would be better,you are indeed insulting the intellect of your readers.Its the PM who is meeting the COAS regularly rather than meeting the opposition parties and their heads.And yet you blame the Army for all the ills and evils of this ruling clique.Please be fair.Its the fairness we Muslims have lost and here we are in this mess.I hope you publish my comment.

Sardar Adam Sep 02, 2014 09:05am

Long live, Dawn.

History shall remember for speaking the truth, even against the mighty boots. Well done.

imran ali Sep 02, 2014 09:10am

instead blaming Army,analysis root cause of present turmoil. People are not getting basic rights,who are being benefited by the present system?there no security to life,even justice is being denied by judiciary getting to much involved in political cases. the raped Women and young girls are not getting justice,they prefer to die by doing suicide,rapist are freely moving.Some cases taken by S.C. as a suo moto,but only for media consumption .This rotten and corrupt system need urgent surgical treatment before it is too late

Junaid Sep 02, 2014 09:10am

Point well taken. Question for you: Who asked the army to be there in the first place? The government. You ask to be lectured and then the lecture is not pleasing, I suppose. There is no justifying the entry into government buildings. The protestors should have stayed away. But you are now dealing with a mob mentality, not one of a disciplined march. The desperation could have been avoided by tact and politicking. The government allowed the ante to be upped when it should have done exactly the opposite. Where was the PM when this was happening? Raiwind. Is that the Federal Capital? Why is he always there, running the country like a monarchy. Perhaps he vies to emulate his benefactors in Riyadh. IK has made a huge error in not allowing an out of this situation... unless I fear he already has guarantees. I hope not. He was supposed to be better than that. I could support a valiant man on the losing side, but I stand away from one that does not stay the course. I have no sympathy for the government. But Pakistanis must learn to change the system. Would it not be phenomenal if even the only hting that comes out of this is true electoral reform for the next election? But, Pakistanis cannot hope for that. When countries are run like personal businesses, the needs of the few always trump those of the masses.

MAhsan Sep 02, 2014 09:15am

Nawaz Shareef should learn from History. Insanity definition - If Nawaz Sharif keep doing what he is doing, he keep getting what he is getting.. One level of insanity , he is keep doing the same thing and expecting different result.

Nauman Sep 02, 2014 09:18am

Bogus and based on immature assumptions. Army had its chance to take over the night police brutalized women n childern and the media, including Dawn's team with bullets and shells. Who is the illiterate and insensitive author of this mockery of journalism.

student sindhi Sep 02, 2014 09:34am

With both the traditional camps of journalists spinning their rhetoric against each other and literally engaged in a propaganda war , a simple laymen like me only finds himself in an ever deepening abyss of confusion . A dependable reality of the current crises , I am guessing , will be known in the next decade or so .

Haroon Sep 02, 2014 09:34am

Superbly honest and courageous and absolutely correct.. When they say political solution basically there is resignation - nothing else. How can they let a bunch of protesters batter the police and the institutions. In civilized countries if someone scales the fences of such buildings, the orders are to shoot on sight. There announcement to use less force emasculated the police and allowed a travesty of law and decency that has shamed the nation in the world.

irshad Sep 02, 2014 09:35am

Very clear. IK and TUQ are working against the State and Army seems to play game with Democracy and the GOvernment. obviously they do not like powerful civil government

JK Sep 02, 2014 09:55am

First of all, its important to understand that Army's role is to defend state from external threats and existential threats. Its role is not to defend government. There is nothing undemocratic if PM resigns. In all democracies this is normal process, if any incompetence is observed. In current situation army is forcefully dragged and now fake conspiracy theories popping up. NS Govt intelligently ruined Qadri and IK struggle of fair elections and fair system of governance by dragging army. Javed Hashmi has nothing substantial, only his illusion and past experience of dealing with our system is giving him these conspiracy ideas...

Tahir Sep 02, 2014 09:59am

Eye opener.

Faisal naveed Sep 02, 2014 10:03am

Very well written.

Zaheer Sep 02, 2014 10:07am

Thank God Army is there to side with protestors. Otherwise we would have seen a Model Town type massacre. Author's analysis shows nothing new or those revelations from Javed Hashmi. We neutral ordinary beings know what is going on and majority of us support the idea of reining in these senseless rulers even at the cost of constitution.

ATIQ Sep 02, 2014 10:08am

Media is unnecessarily dragging Army into political turmoil. The role we expect from Army to play is not viable in current scenario. They are responsible for defend any foreign invasion (God forbid) and doing it quite diligently. Army cannot and indeed should not be expected to use force against their own people. Already wounds imparted to them of dictatorial impositions over the decades are hardly healed-up. So any further scratch to their identity and base wont be affordable. Its been an irony that when army invades, we start blasting and lashing dubbing them dictators and etc etc. Now eventually if they are very wisely abstaining from their interference by letting the plights get resolved politically, even then we are leaving them with no breathing space. Please be patient and let the political intellectualism instigated from now onwards.

Mosawwir Sep 02, 2014 10:10am

We should stop making speculations about army in this way. It is the PM Nawaz who is holding meetings with army Chief on almost daily basis, and then saying on floor that he did not ask the army to intervene despite subsequent categorical statement of ISPR on this issue.

Did army advise the government not to register FIR against the Model Town culprits? Did army advise the ruling party not to probe the rigging allegations that Imran has been asking for last 15 months?

Azfar Kakar Sep 02, 2014 10:13am

@Asad can't agree more

Imran Sep 02, 2014 10:13am

Spot on and blunt...brilliant analysis. Finally the cat is out of the bag. FAKE REVOLUTION exposed.

Khan Sep 02, 2014 10:17am

I believe it is constitutional to do something unconstitutional to remove the unconstitutional govt having the fake mandate...

Khan Sep 02, 2014 10:17am

@Ahmer think so

Anon Sep 02, 2014 10:21am

What everyone seems to be denying is that its not about a few thousand protesters... in terms of votes, PTI is the second largest party in the country! Those few thousand represent many other thousands who are not on the streets in Islamabad...

Imran Shah Sep 02, 2014 10:21am

People who write such kind of articles for provoking general public/nation against pak army can never be successful. With all due respect we being nation must treat such approached people who is doing a job of emitting poison against our army on every chance they get. Sympathies for the writer.

Inam Sep 02, 2014 10:23am

Indeed an impartial and eye opener analysis

Moin Sep 02, 2014 10:25am

Very correct analysis of the things. Now it is essential upon Army to repel these rebellions out of Islamabad and make a pledge to the elected govt. This would certainly increase the honor and dignity of our armed forces.

Mahohar Sep 02, 2014 10:26am

Was army every questioned in Pakistan in its history of 60+ years?

Irfan Al Fatemi Sep 02, 2014 10:26am

For God's sake stop calling it a democracy.....when the votes are stolen & elections are matter on how many constituencies.... on what basis you can cal it a legit democratically elected government.

Uzair Sep 02, 2014 10:27am

This piece resembled something from the "Letters to the Editor" rather than an editorial.

jabran Sep 02, 2014 10:27am

I salute DAWN for speaking the truth. Imran should come through elections and not on military tanks

manal Sep 02, 2014 10:27am

Army was indeed not directly involved until the prime minister requested the army to act as a facilitator and later went as far as to lie to hide the fact that gov't had sought army's help. On top of that, the gov't called back the policemen on duty near the parliament before the riots, so that the army was forced to stand face to face with the protesters? i'm sorry but not acknowledging the shady moves of the political leadership in power makes this editorial kind of bias....

No body Sep 02, 2014 10:30am

And the same editorial will question Army handling of the affairs. If they use force........

Omer Sep 02, 2014 10:31am

Beautiful analysis

Girish Sep 02, 2014 10:32am

Pakistani Army thinks it is above the government. Super Government. This is miserly of Pakistan. Nawaz Sharif is the best prime minister I have seen in the history of Pakistan. Very cool person. Imran Khan and Qadri have been brought in front by the Pakistan Army so that it could reign in from the back channel.

Muscles Sep 02, 2014 10:33am

It is eyes opener editorial for the readers who deny the involvement of army in the current political crises. Army want to score points by pressurize democratic forces to give up what they consider their heir since the independence of Pakistan; having hold on every thing including changing the political landscape of the country when they wish.

Sorry it will no more be in the favor of Pakistan and its existence if meddling of the army in politics continues.

S.Khan Sep 02, 2014 10:35am

Pakistani people were waiting for a clear message from the Army to PTI and PAT to stop this lawlessness and to stop making unconstitutional demands but this article has opened peoples' eyes that has confirmed the doubt that there are some people behind the curtain who are encouraging this lawlessness to fail this government. Imran was not wrong when he was saying that umpire was going to raise his finger. God has mercy on Pakistan.

abdullah Sep 02, 2014 10:36am

a very good analysis. army did not do a thing at ptv headquarters a symbol of state. It was their duty to defend it. they were acting as silent spactators. After the destruction of millions of rupees they asked the protestors to vacate. It looked as if protestors and army were very close friends.

Mohammad Riaz Sep 02, 2014 10:37am

Good editorial. It explains that the government is under military and the military is not under the government.

adil Sep 02, 2014 10:38am

@Shehryar Mazari yes you are right you have suffered at the hands of dictators but did you ever notice how many industries did these dictators set up in their era....can u name them Zia, Ayub and Musharraf..and now compare them with these so called democrats and many have their made up at home and abroad....

Maryam Sep 02, 2014 10:38am

Excellent analysis!

Deea Sep 02, 2014 10:44am

It is the government who is responsible for the Model Town tragedy and affected families are denied their basic right to register FIR. It is the government who urged army to facilitate negotiation and then simply mis-said in front of entire nation. You can see the protesters attacked the buildings but you cannot see the hundreds of injured people helplessly lying outside the building. The matter of the fact is that government is failed to manage and responsible for this whole chaos.

Adnan Umer Sep 02, 2014 10:45am

Thank you Dawn. Very brave editorial

Hammad Sep 02, 2014 10:51am

@Amjad Wyne Get your answer about Rigging from Imran Khan, in response to rigging allegations in KPK he replied others to go to tribunals and courts..... Thats what Nawaz has been saying since last 14 months, Imran just endorsed it when he was asked to dissolve KPK assembly due rigging allegations. When Imran is asked about KPK rigging he asked them to prove in courts. WHY?

Dr SHABBIR JUMANI Sep 02, 2014 11:04am

An excellent and balanced point of view. I humbly request all Pakistanis where ever they are to read it and try to understand the situation

Shoaib Asghar Sep 02, 2014 11:04am

Absolutely right.

Shoaib Asghar Sep 02, 2014 11:05am

Absolutely right.

Khalid Waseem Sep 02, 2014 11:05am

Ohhhh Naive Pakistanio....... Samaj Jaooo

Anwar Sep 02, 2014 11:08am

I feel sorry for the poor masses of Pakistan. Democracy is the only hope but certain quaters do not 'like' democracy. This time the attack on democracy is more servere. Democratic PTI supporter should think and ponder on this whole episode. Democracy should not be weaken to the point that a handful of disgruntal folks can sent back home an elected government.

goldconsumer Sep 02, 2014 11:14am

@Uzair Indeed. No mention of the fact that NS in all his arrogance along with so called "clean" judiciary decided to drag millitary general in 2007 emergency. Why not choose to have case opened against each and every general, politician, civilian, foreign national etc etc involved in the 1999 coup? why not drag the judiciary over issuing the first PCO?

magi6 Sep 02, 2014 11:18am

I am an Indian and probably should not comment on things internal to Pakistan. However, I like highest standards of journalism practised by Dawn

shuaib Sep 02, 2014 11:24am

It is very high time that Army should take Hashmi, IK, TUQ and those 5 retiring Generals in protective custody to investigate and to get to the bottom of this subversion/conspiracy against the State. People have raised fingers on the Army and now it is responsibility of the Army to let this Nation know as to what External and Internal elements are involved in this whole drama.

saad Sep 02, 2014 11:24am

The reality. plz wake up. how IK & TUQ made fool of innocents.

Sanu Sep 02, 2014 11:24am

Govt asked Army for facilitation but as per above piece its Army who jump into mediation, it is rather contradictory as per your paper's report,

Shoaib Sep 02, 2014 11:25am

Very good analysis.... Even you could also consider the army's announcement on loud speakers when protesters were rushing to the state buildings it was" Ap apne leaders ki bat manen, we apko Jane se mana Kare hen, Ap onhe or hame sharminda na Kare" what is this????? Under the article 245 you are duty bound to assist the government

Kala Ingrez Sep 02, 2014 11:29am

Excellent, the army did the right thing for a change. I am not a supporter of Army taking over, but I do not want the army to attack civilians either as I may read in your editorial. I need to ask the all knowing editor to reveal the sources and the hardcore evidences to backup his absurd claim or is he basing his accusations on Javeed Hashmi's flip flop claims?

Umair Sep 02, 2014 11:31am

I hope there is a solution to the problems soon... I am also sure that only in democracy u can write about such things openly...Bravo n good work :)

a chaudry Sep 02, 2014 11:32am

Nawaz Shareef himself dragged the army into this and then very convinently lied the next day on the floor of the parliament. A VERY imp point which the writter has skipped. Also if the army was involved why would they wait for 18 days n do thing. Care to explain..

irrfan Sep 02, 2014 11:34am

Salute to DAWN.........

naveed Sep 02, 2014 11:39am

booooom...... best analysis..... exposing the truth.

Atif Nawaz Khan Sep 02, 2014 11:41am

Brave Stance - I am not supporting either government neither protestors. But using word violent every time with protestors is bit harsh. We have first time in history witnessed most peaceful protest so far. We must appreciate this sense being brought into people by IK and TUQ

A J Khan Sep 02, 2014 11:43am

Army is being dragged in cesspool of dirty politics by "Falling Government". "Mean opposition" "Howling Journalist paid vide release order SS Bill No 03/2014 - 2015 dated 12 Aug 2014". an amount of Rs 2,6 billion. Such Loyal than the King articles are product of misuse of exchequer money.

Abdullah Shahid Sep 02, 2014 11:44am

A good analysis and a bold jolt to Pakistan Army and a message to them to play neutral and stand for protection of the political process in Pakistan. Try to maintain your honorable image in minds of majority of Pakistanis.

thinker Sep 02, 2014 11:45am

going out of hand, and near to democratic, but not exatly

Dr. Malek Towghi /Tauqee Sep 02, 2014 11:48am

God the Almighty bless and protect this editorial writer -- and of course that genuine MARD-i QALANDAR, Javed Hashmi, too.

thinker Sep 02, 2014 11:49am

Democratic system does not come in a day, through evolution and revolution only

Baba De Kamaqlano Sep 02, 2014 11:49am

It is now over a long time that politicians,some,judges and media have repeatedly maligned the army in different incidents and the statement by COAS is on the record that army will retain it,s prestigious position. This should have been enough warning for those who understand and by now should have stopped cornering the institution of national prestige. It must be out of great compulsions that the institution is tolerating these efforts of degradation.

Atif Sep 02, 2014 11:49am

This is very much a civil-political mob. The army doesn't want to take sides and certainly does not want to confront people, because it is rarely good for the armed forces. Admittedly, it does weaken the govt somewhat.

SY Sep 02, 2014 11:50am

Well said. Actually this crisis has restored my faith in Pakistan in the way almost everyone has come together in defending the supremacy of the constitution. I think it is about time we move away from emotions & personalities and try to run our country by a set of principals.

ayesha hamid Sep 02, 2014 11:58am

This article reeks of bias against the army. Uses allegations as the truth to bash the Pak army.

Shareefs Inteliigence bureau's money being put to good use here.

Shoaib Sep 02, 2014 11:58am

Well I can clearly see the biased analysis. The writer is trying his best to do something for NS. No govt is legitimize to use brutal force against its people. PML-N govt killed people in Model Town and they are doing it in Islamabad also. NS has done nothing to resolve the issue. Electoral reforms are very important for Pakistani people. IK stand on the issues will make sure that in the future we will get the govt we vote for.

Awais Sep 02, 2014 11:59am

Very valid points. Same i was thinking. I was amazed when army was telling protesters to get out and saying "You Have Entered In wrong Building". What do you mean by WRONG building? Which is the RIGHT building then?

Abdul Waheed Yousufzai Sep 02, 2014 11:59am

Regarding this statement: "On Saturday, as violent thugs attacked parliament, it was surely the army

Atif Sep 02, 2014 12:04pm

@Arif According to the game, killing in Lahore could also be part of this script. You need a solid reason to implement a script.

Please open your eyes.....

Ahtesham Sep 02, 2014 12:04pm

Army doesn't want to interfere in political issue But Political government failed to resolve a small issue which already resolved by PPP Government hence this government failed and trying to drag Army also! Why????

Napier Mole Sep 02, 2014 12:13pm

Fantastic editorial by Dawn. I dont think any other newspaper has the guts to call the spades as Dawn has done. Dawn has correctly identified the subliminal message being inserted in the national narrative bringing anarchists and legitimacy as equals. Nothing can be more dangerous that.

Nauman Afzal Sep 02, 2014 12:17pm

I think this is a very biased opinion. Army is being dragged in to this whole drama. And I am saddened by the approach Dawn is following. It used to be a unbiased paper, at least. Alas no more. I guess its time to annul my subscription.

Ahmad12 Sep 02, 2014 12:18pm

A very concise ,facts based editorial. You have maintained the golden traditions of "DAWN" by being honest and truthful , the characteristics which unfortunately our media lacks.

Shahan Ali Sep 02, 2014 12:19pm

Yeah right. So if the army tries to come in and take down the govt, people are complaining.... if the army shows restraint, people are complaining...if the army supports the protesters, people are complaining.

Stop it please. just because the civil leadership is incompetent, opposition is ill-mannered and badly organized...does not mean that blame of our own weaknesses should be placed on the army.

Saquib Saeed Sep 02, 2014 12:20pm

Dawn has a way of saying things that make it the conscience of the Nation. A brave Editorial that only Dawn can write. Bravo!! Dawn, you're my hero. I just hope that the Military's stance is simply a pervert kind of Schadenfreud that is as short lived as it is petty. Getting even on Geo's handling, delaying military operation, relations with India etc. And hopefully, nothing more sinister. I also hope that it will soon call out IK/TUQ dangerous games for what they are and would put its full weight behind protection of the constitution and the democratic dispensation. Something it has clearly not done so far.

shahid Sep 02, 2014 12:23pm

I salute Dawn. Democracy cant die in a country where we have Honest,professional & brave journalism.

Khaled. Sep 02, 2014 12:24pm

The rebuttal to Hashmi's allegations at a press conference should have come from Imran instead of ISPR, as it was the former who was being accused and quoted.

Imran Khan Sep 02, 2014 12:27pm

Ch Nisar: they stole cameras from PTV Bldg, lunch, misbehaved with staff, nation must know these are offenders

Shafiq Islam. Sep 02, 2014 12:34pm

We are observing far away from Pakistan the double standard of Pakistani Generals. We also surprised why not Army arrest those unruly supporters of IK & Qadri enter in to PTV HQ and create anarchy. Imran Khan & Qadri both are not politicians they are political Gangsters. Now we believe last night PTI President Javid Hashmi what he said in press conference was correct.

Zeeshan Sep 02, 2014 12:35pm

Thanks god someone finally spoke about the Army's role in this whole crisis!!! I am sure Hashmi is saying it right.

Rao Sep 02, 2014 12:35pm

very trure analysis

Nasir Khan Sep 02, 2014 12:35pm

Is it Dawn? A very biased view indeed.The way this country has been ruled in the name of democracy & cliches like worst democracy is better than dictatorship is responsible for the mayhem facing us today.The author has completely overlooked the fact that those who guard the country day in and day out against all foreign threats have their own eyes and ears.What happened on june 17th did not go unnoticed even to deaf, dumb & blind. A PM owning property in 14 countries, having all top ministerial slots in the family.The adage 'who will guard the guards', needs to be amended by 'wise men of Gotham will guard the Guards'.

hina Sep 02, 2014 12:36pm

I am reading such editorial for first time in Dawn Newspaper. Its not portraying the actual picture and based on vague facts.

Rao Sep 02, 2014 12:37pm

absolutely true

Aamir Mustafa Sep 02, 2014 12:38pm

Mere aziz hum watno

SOHAIL ZAFAR Sep 02, 2014 12:42pm

I feel relaxed that someone in the media has the courage to put the facts before the people of Pakistan.

Wakeel Sep 02, 2014 12:46pm

Very brave of DAWN! Commendable!

wazir Sep 02, 2014 12:47pm

What a wonderful and unbiased analysis!

Asif Sep 02, 2014 12:48pm

So you want to encourage Nawaz to hit hard on protestors with more violence? But the Islamabad police has declined to attack protestors. So according to your "inspiring and eye-popping" analysis SP, SSP and IG are all colluding against the Government as well.

Iqbal Bhai Sep 02, 2014 12:48pm

1) You are reporting only 1 part of Army's statements. The Army said several times categorically that it is political issue and should be solved by political parties. It was a balanced statement. 2) When Army was called in via Article 245, why police is stopping the protesters. 3) NS appointed Raheel Shareef out-of-turn. If there is a conflict between Army and government, then who is to blame. 4) If you give weightage to Javed Hashmi, give some wieghtage to Afzal Khan.

Chaudhary Sep 02, 2014 12:48pm

Great analysis. A very delicate topic and is handled by a great care and with straight and right information.

Thumbs up for you guys. Keep doing the good work.

Taimoor Ashraf Sep 02, 2014 12:55pm

The English language press and the so-called liberal elite have traditionally been against centre-right politics and political parties. It would have done this editorial some good if it had said a few words on the Model Town massacre. And editorials have never stopped the boots before, and it is not going to change now.

Luqman Sep 02, 2014 12:57pm

You should read "kerry lugar bill" which is passed by US parliment in 2009. According to this bill, Pakistan will not get several billion dollar aid to fight terrorism if Army throw out democratically elected Govt. This is a reason army is not interfering directly. They are using IK and quadri to dismantle or weaken Sharif Govt so they can rule passively.

ajmal shah din Sep 02, 2014 01:01pm

I salute to Dawn for such an accurate, comprehensive and brave editorial. The editorial is reflection of nation's views.I thank you Dawn on behalf of the nation.

Hmmm Sep 02, 2014 01:02pm

Series of events shows army's role is biased...

Ashok Saigal Sep 02, 2014 01:04pm

The fact that such an Editorial can be published carrying such clear criticism of the Army gives hope that Pakistan is moving towards a greater degree of freedom for all to express their views. This itself is a positive sign that repression or manipulation - be it by the State, Religious heads, Judiciary, or Army, or whoever else, is no longer acceptable in Pakistan, and is liable to be questioned. The will of the majority of Society, expressed through Democracy will, Inshallah, have its day in Pakistan too.

Faisal Abbas Sep 02, 2014 01:09pm

Still, no body asked the question. Whether the mass election rigging, collusion of CJ, etc. could have been done without Army's support (or at least tolerance) in the first place.

Kazim Sep 02, 2014 01:16pm

Just re-iterating what a sensible person wrote!!
" Amjad Wyne about 10 hours ago What is missing from this editorial are a number of facts one, that the government asked the military to facilitate a dialog (according to your paper), two, that all NS government had to do was to respond to allegations of rigging six months ago (according to your paper - there was no army involvement then), third, the government should have allowed the registration of FIR against the killing of the political workers (according to your paper), fourth, just yesterday that the NS government has handled this whole thing very poorly (your paper)...a government with that kind of a record is bound to make everyone else look bad - it may be democratic and constitutional in your head but those are not the choices governments make when political challenges arise.."

Hmmm Sep 02, 2014 01:20pm

Bravo!! Thanks DAWN for excellent analysis

Sardar Ali Sep 02, 2014 01:23pm

If we call it a democracy then the people have every right to protest in a peaceful manner. Things went wrong when the sitting Govt failed to control the situation and looked towards the army.

Its funny to see people using the statement that there are a few thousand people with him. We should not be forgetting that Imran Khan and his party has a considerable mandate at the national level. Everyone is well aware as to what happened in the last years general elections. If we still call the sitting Government as an elected government then God help us!

Safdar Sep 02, 2014 01:30pm

A very biased/partisan analysis. Who are you anyway, not disclosing your name? People like you do not get the point (or do you?) that IK/TuQ are trying to make, 2013 were rigged and faked; there is no justice rewarded to the poor in the current system and if we did not reduce the rich-poor divide, it will become a threat to national security. And yes, what about the astronimical corruption of current and previous political regimes?? Will they ever be put to accountability by your beloved ones...?

Yaqub Ahmad Sep 02, 2014 01:43pm

I can't believe that dawn has published it?? Am I dreaming? 100% agree.

Kamran Sep 02, 2014 01:45pm

Excellent editorial. Kudos to the critical analysis.

edwardian Sep 02, 2014 01:53pm


Exactly, Army is keeping out of politics. People like you are dragging the Army in and then deny later on the floor of the parliament.

Tariq Amir Sep 02, 2014 01:54pm

@Imran Peaceful. My God, don't you believe even you own eyes! I am sure you must have seen the "peaceful" demonstrators again and again attacking the police for two days.

r Sep 02, 2014 02:00pm

good analysis

edwardian Sep 02, 2014 02:00pm

@zobia khan

You didn't get the point. The historical impact what a leader and the followers made on "world history" which changed the course of the entire world. Good or bad is not in question.

Thats how you understand things.

Idris Sep 02, 2014 02:05pm

Fully agreed.

Chymera Sep 02, 2014 02:06pm

Funny how the Pro-Nawaz readers are praising this biased article.. Forget the murders, the corruption, the rigging, the nepotism but how dare IK question Nawaz. Please open your eyes and see the wood from the trees. This is the same democracy Hosni Mubarak had in Egypt. Please publish.

Jahankhan Sep 02, 2014 02:06pm

@Zainab Army is not part of government. Its part of State. There is difference..

edwardian Sep 02, 2014 02:20pm

@Umer Ansari

All the higher ranks in the Armed Forces are graduates of National Defense College. There are number of civilian students. They understand the economics very well.

Ilkhan Sep 02, 2014 02:22pm

The government has leaned on the army on quiet a few occasions and now by invoking article 245 for the current situation. I ask why? Why did the government ask the Army to protect Islamabad? is the government incapable of protecting its own buildings? They deliberately brought in the army to handle both IK and TQ and be absolved of the responsibility.They did the same with the terrorism challenge. Now that the Army has been brought in, why you as an author are asking questions of the neutrality of the army? Even the army top brass knows that the current government and it civil authority is limited only to build metros! So stop being naive, the current government has created this mess.

fahad Sep 02, 2014 02:23pm

kudos to dawn editorial staff for this brave piece of analysis

baquee malhi Sep 02, 2014 02:28pm

One sided story.On one side is a parliamet devoid of genuine people's representatives and on the other handare the parties bent on changing status quo or the stranglehold of the 12 octopuses over nation's jugular. Rest everything is a farce

NA Sep 02, 2014 02:29pm

It's a sad reflection on the news organisation when one of it's editors gives in to the delusional conspiracy theories of the PML-N. Having gone up, and lost, against the army several times before, Naraz Sharif is understandably paranoid about every threat to his throne. What is Dawn's excuse?

For the last month, the army has kept out of this issue, but it seems this country's intelligentsia cannot move forward without blaming the army for something or the other. Instead of applauding their restraint, you are conjuring 'hidden hand' theories and refusing to acknowledge the very real holes in this system you laughingly call a democracy. When a Chief Minister orders the murder of 14 people in broad daylight with complete immunity, you should expect nothing less than a revolution. All you got were protests, but even that is too much for some people.

Let us not forget that for 17 days, the protests were peaceful, and chaos only descended because the government fired the first shot.

Ahmed Sep 02, 2014 02:29pm

Very good analysis. Government took timely action against elections rigging 14 months ago and all the parties are happy now after the investigation. The Government did not pressurized anyone not to register Model Town FIR. The Government was not involved in ridiculing ISI with the help of GEO. The Prime Minister did not lie at the floor of National Assembly under oath. This is all a conspiracy against Jamhuriat.

Nouman Sep 02, 2014 02:33pm
  1. 'Army advised government not to use force against protesters' ... What else u want them to advise the government??? Is there anybody who is advising them otherwise???
  2. Why Army should permit the people to protest outside GHQ??? Parliament is representative of the people, whereas, GHQ is not.
  3. Imran Khan owns some credibility, unlike Nawaz and Zardari etc ... If he were so lusty for the government, ex-President Musharraf offered him to become the PM of the state.
  4. The matter has been mishandled due to the arrogance of the government, otherwise, it would have been solved at a very premature level.
Masud Sep 02, 2014 02:34pm

@ahmed Can u plz send the details

Zahid Sep 02, 2014 02:49pm

@Amjad Wyne Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that COAS reports to the PM not the other way around. The civilian parliament must assert it's supremacy and take all to task in due course. The seditionists should be dealt as per constitution and law.

IR Sep 02, 2014 03:03pm

@Hassan No one can add a word to your excellent comments. You have said very rightly and boldly and in a very specific manner..

Arslan Ashraf Sep 02, 2014 03:05pm

Sincerely I was not expecting such a blunt editorial from a media group in Pakistan. Appreciate your courage. Impartiality of army in itself is a very na

Riaz Sep 02, 2014 03:08pm

Very nice analysis.There is no doubt that by not stopping rioters from damaging govt property the role of Army has become very dubious.It is not the fault of Jawans on the spot ,fault lies higher up. Statements of ISPR should not be taken at its face value ,like govt's information ministery it will say what it is told to say by the powers to be.

Hmmm Sep 02, 2014 03:10pm

"State within state"

M. Sarfaraz Sep 02, 2014 03:26pm

Factual, Brave attempt, and full of loyalty with Pakistan. Eye Love Dawn.

Mudasir Sep 02, 2014 03:30pm

I am glad that there is some awareness left amongst media and younger generation. This is the way I have been percieving events and the conclusion.

Kudos to the writer that even being stationed in Army driven country, the bravity is timely and much appreciated.

Jawaid Akhtar Sep 02, 2014 03:32pm

What is wrong in the ISPR Statement? Unfortunately the Senate/National or Provincial Assemblies are the Clubs for rich people who are safe guarding their own interest.

This is the time to change the whole constitution otherwise no one can stop the bloodshed in this country.

1973 constitution is made and signed by the same Vadera and Industrialist and still ruling this country i.e 5 years you and 5 years us.

Ashraf Sep 02, 2014 03:43pm

If Pakistan has to survive as a nation, these kinds of dramas by the men with guns has to stop. They belong to the nation. The nation does not belong to them.

Taimoor Khan Sep 02, 2014 03:46pm

"Tahirul Qadri and their violent protesters". People including the person who wrote this article got short memories. Who few nights back instigated this cycle of violence? There is a concept of original sin. The writer needs to educate him/herself. I am sure the write would like to delude him/herself that all the tear gas, batton charge and the worst of all, direct gun fire and all those 12 bore shortgun empty cartridges were indeed are all act of the PTI and PAT protestors!! NOT. Hence the reason why all ounce is on this current regime who created all this mess at first place and who like to call themselves government of Pakistan (without going into the legitimacy of them to be even in parliament).

Alarmed Sep 02, 2014 04:08pm

This is not an editorial it is a plug for Nawaz! Next time please try to be balanced...that is at a minimum?

Kamran Sep 02, 2014 04:09pm

We ( public and army) are stuck with sham democracy. It is obvious that no one can sit in red zone for almost three weeks now without any support. What is the way out from the system we called democracy. There are examples in past, recent past and even in present about breaking status quo lingering on for decades by action like this. Forget about democracy, constitution and rule of law. What we need is cleansing of the system then implementation of true democracy afterwards. Is there anyone reading this disagree with me that there is no rule of law at present. Certain segments of society thinks them above law. No government official addressed the problem of public which is the duty of elected government. Just take the example of electricity. The real problem of power sector is not the shortage of electricity. It is the recovery of cost to produce electricity. Not a single step has been taken by this government in 15 months of power. Circular debt is back where it was 15 months ago. That means 400 billion rupees wasted without addressing the real issue. The lying by PM and his top level ministers on the floor of NA and no point of order or previleged motion by friendly opposition proves they are not for democracy or constitution but self interest. Therefore we do need change of system either you called it Inquilaab, Azaadi or Martial Law.

shahid Sep 02, 2014 04:10pm

Illogical commentry which is biased to b the least. Where have asked the govt the question that why did they ask army to intervene and once it was denounced by all quarters they simply told lies in parliament and media? Have democratic govt ordered an inquiry that who was true and who lied? Did u ask for it

Saima Anis Sep 02, 2014 04:35pm

@Amjad Wyne : That was a good response sir, you wrote everything I wanted to write here. Furthermore had the army resisted the protesters, the very newspapers wud've criticised them for using arms against their own people. For some time now what Ive started to realize is that the Dawn itself is not neutral anymore, its opnion section shows a subtle repulsion towards the army for some reason.

Wali Khan Sep 02, 2014 04:47pm

Its very simple folks. Army is not taking sides. Its is only avoiding directly confronting the public/protestors as much as possible. Pakistan simply cannot afford this. Let army be layman's trusted institution and not like what punjab police has been turned into. Bravo Pak Army. Always there but making wise moves in the wider picture.

Aleena Sep 02, 2014 04:50pm

"it is the government that is supposed to give orders to the army, not the other way around."

This can only be done when government herself is credible and of course "stable" in all respects.

Though I am an avid reader of dawn, with due respects, one of the worst and biased editorial I have ever read. Severly disappointed on one sided story presentation.

Ahmad Rafiq Sep 02, 2014 05:06pm

Very very very well said !

waqar Sep 02, 2014 05:37pm

dawn's editorials are always so impressive..i don't know who runs their news channel...the paper and its news channel are poles apart. its heartening to see some sane voices like Dawn in this sea of insanity.

Salman Ahmed Sep 02, 2014 05:41pm

A truth about Army.. which everybody know but not discussed yet.. hattsoff Dawn... Dawn proved its independence Journalism..

khan Sep 02, 2014 05:58pm

I salute Dawn for writing against men in Khakis! we are living in a fearful envirnement. no one dare to talk about army in private. people of this country feed their army and jawans by paying taxes to Government, and Government at its end transfers lion share of these taxes onward to armed forces for the purpose that they should guard frontiers of Pakistan. and what they give us in return, dictation, advises and conspiracies.

Faroha Sep 02, 2014 06:53pm

This is an epic editorial. Candid, true, condemning, saying exactly what we all feel. Someone needed to say this and the army needs to stop and take note. Dawn, Respect!

K Maliks Sep 02, 2014 07:08pm

If this were any other country, the military would have stood by the government and defended the state institutes...........but then again they even find it difficult to protect GHQ now a days.............they are there to protect their enterprise and don't give a damn about the ordinary people............though i give them 2 thumbs up for being top notch realtors.

Asif Ahmed Sep 02, 2014 07:09pm

There is a right way of doing things and a wrong way of doing things and then the army way of doing things. What lies beneath the entire saga is a rescue operation to save Gen Pervaiz Musharraf from political victimization

Syed Sep 02, 2014 07:21pm

This happens only in Pakistan. In democracy army is subordinate and cannot dictate the government and become a deal maker or dictator. Qadri and IK have lost the mandate and taken to streets and any attention given by army or any other power will legitimize their illegal and un-patriotic actions.

Hira Malik Sep 02, 2014 07:51pm

Dawn today has published exactly what I and millions of Pakistanis had been pondering hard about..and somewhat close to this analysis.I just pray to Allah that Democracy should be prevailed...not Derailed and Constitution should remain intact.

Raza Sep 02, 2014 08:55pm

Very timely ed. Bravo for calling a spade an spade instead of using the usual cliches such as 'hidden hands' and 'anti-democratic forces'.

AJamal Sep 02, 2014 09:16pm

To gain popular support, the democracy must deliver for the masses, instead of ruling class.

Leon Sep 02, 2014 10:48pm

@Arif Zarkoon

mr zarkoon leveling allegatoins is not enough..prove it with evidence in court of Law...

chohan Sep 02, 2014 10:50pm

@Raza Democracy is not merely a word that you twist according to one's liking. What benefits can one name of this sham democracy we having since 2008. The only real observable thing is that one rich elite has been replaced by another rich elite and the country at large and a common man in particular has been left with not even free air to breathe.

Leon Sep 02, 2014 10:55pm

@M If PMLN was that powerful why didnt they rigg in the last election...? why did they let PP win...Intl observers said it was the farest election in the history of Pakistan...Pre Poll analysis also said PML N would sweep...:)_

Surfer Sep 02, 2014 11:09pm

Hats off to you for writing such a brave piece. It represents the voice of educated and sensible community of the country. Armed forces are paid out of public taxes and they should show respect to public opinion. Those who encourage the protesters should take pity on this country. The Muslim world is already in turmoil. I feel ashamed for voting for PTI. Our internal wrangling could, God forbid, break the country.

Shehryar khan Sep 02, 2014 11:28pm

A brave article. Salute!

khan Sep 02, 2014 11:53pm

@Umer Ansari Our "national competition" is Afghanistan now, not India. " The biggest winner is our national competition ' India' if things slow down further."

The Outsider Sep 02, 2014 11:57pm

(The army is hardly being

saad Sep 03, 2014 12:27am

Does anyone realize the disastrous situations if a protestor got shot by a soilder? What this would mean for the image of the army? The army is not trained for mob control. Please Do not drag the army into confronting the protestors.

Nazir Sep 03, 2014 12:36am

@Arif... Nice.

Rehan179 Sep 03, 2014 01:04am

sweet and short bold analysis

M..a. hussain Sep 03, 2014 01:21am

Great satisfaction that I have been reading Dawn for decades even when it was available from a news paper agent 14 Km away. Thank you. Exposure is a national service

M..a. hussain Sep 03, 2014 01:40am

Great satisfaction that I have been readig Dawn for decades

ahmed Sep 03, 2014 02:09am

Dear Sirs, Today I feel so proud that a newspaper that had been started by our Quaid has his courage and depth of concern for our liberty and can write an article that no one would even whisper in some ones ear. Talking about the acts of king makers is a TABOO. See what happened to GEO. I hope and pray that you do not suffer the same fate.

ak18 Sep 03, 2014 02:21am

amazing analysis. . especially considering you've got your facts wrong.. The army did not ask the govt to facilitate anything. . The army was asked by the govt to facilitate dialogue. . Secondly it's all fine and well to bang on about the constitution and it's articles when it relates to ik or tuq or army.. but what about the govt? ? hudaibya paper mills case has been on a stay order since time immemorial.. The pm jhas blatantly lied on the floor of the house and trampled all over article 63/62 not for the first time. . SC is silent. . murder on the streets of lahore and no one is responsible despite being broadcast live on tv.. it's a real shame that we expect a golden standard of compliance with the constitution from those without power and nothing less than a shameful disregard for the constitution from those in power!

Zafar Mahmood Sep 03, 2014 02:22am

@Leon MFR,AtizazAhsan&Ch Nisar made on record speeches in NA about rigging and unverifiable votes. They can't back out if commission summons them

Umer Ejaz Sep 03, 2014 02:40am

Very True. But why is it that in Pakistan it's always the military that gets blamed for the utter stupidity of the politicians. Didn't Nawaz Sharif and his advisers smell what was cooking. If they had the political foresight or capability all of this could have been easily averted. But when an illegitimate Government; which got the power with support of a corrupt judiciary tries to assert it's authority when questions are being asked about it's legitimacy, this was bound to happen. I thought peaceful protest was the right of the citizens in front of the state buildings owned by the same citizens of that state. The real reason why Army is being dragged into all of this is that Nawaz wants to become a political martyr. Army is obligated to safeguard the rights of it's citizen more than protecting a building.

Umer Ejaz Sep 03, 2014 02:57am

@Ashraf Oh yes! The Nation belongs to the corrupt politicians,

Umar Ahmed Sep 03, 2014 04:16am

This sounds like a whole bunch of pro-govt propaganda, in an article that aims to be a scathing criticism someone else's alleged neutrality. The irony...

Shabbir Sep 03, 2014 05:33am

Now Dawn will suffer the same fate as Jang group and Geo.

Sunil Sep 03, 2014 06:01am

Well written without fear or favour. You have done your duty Mr Editor as member of the fourth column of Democracy.

Javed Latef Sep 03, 2014 07:32am

Thank you for laying out the truth and confirming the conclusions a lot of us had reached.

Usman Sep 03, 2014 03:05pm

Dawn I salute for the brave editorial (Y) dear soldiers! the era of your dictation is over, please concentrate on borders.

Jalaluddin S. Hussain Sep 03, 2014 11:33pm

The two Rallies have conveyed the message and the governments - both federal and provincial, must act now.

Mohammed A. Sukhear-USA Sep 03, 2014 11:55pm

Your editorial is irrefutable and a complete truth. Now wait for the military response,you are next in line after GEO.

Wachucha Sep 04, 2014 12:32am

A biased, lob sided and disappointing analyses which not only lacks intelligence but also prefers form over substance instead of other way round.

Omer Nawaz Sep 04, 2014 01:51am

@Asad bravo wisely said......

SMQ Zaman Sep 04, 2014 03:51am

@Ayaz Fmr President Musharraf is on trial under S6., do you want invocation of another S6. case in the near future? There are four method laid down in the Constitution and the one you are recommending is not included therein; and that's a simple and legal answer to your concern.

AVMPolpot Sep 04, 2014 05:59am

The Parliament should pass a resolution decrying the role of the Army let that at least be a gain from this very regrettable incident.

Ahmed Ijaz Sep 04, 2014 08:07am

My words. Excellent piece on the truth about current national situation. Kudos for writing this to bring the Truth out. Army should stay in barracks looking after our borders. It has no role inside a Democratic country's borders. It has to act as per orders of the democratically elected PM. So far IK and the cleric have only alleged but never presented any proofs of rigging. No wonder that cleric does not want SC to wade into the election rigging allegations.

Ali Sep 04, 2014 08:35am

Yes! That is the trillion dollar, No Sir, "LIFE & Death" question of a so called "Democracy" in Pakistan? If it is real Democracy of "Majority Rule" No harm would be done and each and every government Institution have to abide by the law of land. The World is not a Jungle. But, there is big BUT! What the elected Governments have done for the 70 per cent people do not know where their hard earned money is being spent while they are living in the "Absolute Darkness" of Poverty, Housing, Job & Education plus NO trust and NO Security? More then six years of Democracy have passed and basic needs are missing whereas big Projects of Roads, Railways, Metros, Underground Trains etc etc are being planned while keeping the burning fire of hunger and humiliation of the poor in the entire country with continued confusions? Why army, the Police and Rangers are more then enough to take proper action. If they are beaten, they should beat them back. The Police can do it in two to three hours, no more! They are trained to deal with the citizens mob. But a big But. Forget it. Pakistan Armed Forces must be called only if the "Dahshat-Gard" are equipped with lethal combatant arms weapons and not with "Children and Women"! Hosh ke Nakhun lain!

Tahir Kardar Sep 04, 2014 09:12am

Instead of blaming Army, somebody to please do some research that how come Nawaz Shareef always has problem with Army & it's chief. He had differences with Gen Jahangir Karamat so he being a gentleman resigned and went home. Then NS appointed and within months had problems with Gen Asif Nawaz Janjua, who unfortunately or fortunately died before the main trouble started. Then NS had troubles with Gen Waheed Kaker whom he promoted on advise of President Ishaq Khan. NS had problems with both had to leave along with President. Then he himself appointed Gen Musharaf and developed troubles with him so ended with Martial Law. Now he appointed present COAS & now has troubles with Gen Raheel Shareef. What does it show - Incompetence or .......

ilyas-uddin Sep 04, 2014 10:19am

A well balanced analysis. We must understand where are we heading for. Where is the writ of the government? Who stands where?

Emmad Sep 04, 2014 10:23am

SSSuperb analysis. It's now the army to realise their jursdiction of duty.

Rajdeep Sep 04, 2014 11:17am

Why Army in Pakistan is an independent entity like a parallel government, is it not required or mandated by constitution to follow the elected governments' orders??

jamshed khan Sep 04, 2014 06:33pm

Pakistani police and Pakistani Amry, both treat the public very differently. Police is largely an axis of evil. Pak Army is symbol of unity and is always there to help and protect.

Najamuddin Sep 05, 2014 07:27am

Had Nawaz Sharif not abandoned the Parliament for so long a time escaping the questions of Public elected members of the House who also being accountable to their constituents, matter would have not gone out of his grip. In Britain and other democratic Countries the Prime Ministers also as the head of the govt try their best to attend the parliament sessions to answer the questions of the elected Reps. Because they believe themselves accountable to the Nation. Instead of addressing the excruciating sufferings of the people the long absence of the PM from parliament and day to day administrative and policy matters weakened the grip of his team members over the governance. And as such encouraging further the power mad fortune seekers and their supporter, for a short cut ride to the "kingdom" of so called democracy.

amir haider Sep 05, 2014 11:19am

DAWN has obviously resorted to biased reporting as is currently reflected in both media mediums (cable TV & newspaper). Why should the Army be responsible for those activities which come under Police mandate. As far as advice by the Army is concerned, it is correct to say that the Government was and is required to get this situation out of its present quagmire-which has blown out-of-proportion due to obvious reasons........ !

zubair Sep 05, 2014 03:54pm

Indeed a peepsight analysis, however building perception of tarnishing all with one brush, which is unfair with honest/loyal souls in battle.