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Social terrorism: religious vendetta against Ahmadis

Published Apr 17, 2012 10:29am


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Pakistani Ahmadis today live in constant fear.—Illustration by Faraz Aamer Khan/

Religious persecution of people from Ahmadiyya community is not a new development in Pakistan. Ahmadis have long been marginalised from the time when they were declared non-Muslims in the amendment introduced in 1973’s Constitution. Since then, they have been facing the wrath of many Muslims who have fundamental views and refuse to trade, dine and even sit with them.

Whether it is about banning a certain juice brand, expelling Ahmadi students from universities or failure to recognise the only Pakistani Nobel Laureate, the hatred fuelled by religious clerics knows no boundaries.

Academic institutions remain an arena of conflicting views, hence often turning into another platform for religious fundamentalists to brainwash impressionable minds.

The University of Sargodha, which is in close proximity to Rabwah, is one of a very few universities which houses and educates students from Ahmadiyya community. The university has reportedly been a congenial institute where administration and management support students from different beliefs and schools of thought. However, ubiquity of miscreants, who use religion for their political interests, has contaminated the otherwise pleasant environment.

“I received a text message from my best friend, a week back, which said we should stop being friends because you are an Ahmadi and my allegiance with you is not considered appropriate within the parameters of my religion,” said a student of University of Sargodha.

“A couple of days ago, during a laboratory session, some students disrupted the lecture and started preaching how Ahmadis are non-Muslims and are wajib-ul-qatal (eligible to be killed),” said another student on condition of anonymity.

According to a student, the so-called religious sermon took place in the presence of a teacher, which signified his involvement in the ‘brainwashing’ and ‘hate speech campaign’ against the Ahmadiyya community.

Brochures and booklets, entailing details of how Ahmadis should be prosecuted, are also being circulated amongst the students. So far, Ahmadi students have not been threatened, however, students report that they are constantly being followed and other students have boycotted them completely.

“Nobody sits with us. Nobody is willing to talk to us. Most importantly, people enter the lecture session and use abusive language against our religious clerics which is why we have stopped attending classes,” added another student.

“We miss lectures and when we go back, asking for notes and presentation slides, nobody provides us with the material.”

According to the account of events narrated by various students, the religious repression is only prevalent in the Department of Pharmacy.

The Dean of the department, Prof Dr Muhammad Zahoor-ul-Hassan Dogar said, “I am not aware of any such events, however, I must say that a couple of such incidents took place a year and a half ago in our Medical College. I looked into the matter personally and punished the students responsible for such horrendous propaganda against the students of our university.”

“I understand that it is difficult for students from Ahmadiyya community to trust any of us because of the reasons that we all know, however, unless these students report such incidents, we will not be able to take action against the culprits,” he added.

Most of the students are of the view that since the majority of the other students were treating them as social outcasts, reporting this incident, to appropriate authorities, will further infuriate the perpetrators.

“I do not feel safe living in the dorm anymore so I now travel from Rabwah to Sargodha every day. I tried to inform a couple of officials, however, I was hesitant because the issue is still hot and I do not want to invite more enemies,” said a female student.

Muhammad Akram Tufani, representative of Students Tahaffuz Khatam-e-Nabuwat, on being asked about the primary reason which instigated this campaign against Ahmadi students, said, “Ahmadis call themselves Muslims and that is unacceptable for us.”

“They think they are better off than us religiously and they preach other students about their religion. We will not have them preach their religion to Muslim students,” added Tufani.

However, Dogar said that Tufani has no connection with the students of the university and reassured that he cannot influence them in any way.

Students belonging to Ahmadiyya community said that this campaign was initiated on false accusations. Students and certain faction of teachers have been saying that a religious leader from Ahmadiyya community came to discuss our religion with other students; however, this is completely untrue.

Living by the ideology of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, which emphasised primarily on coexistence, all the citizens of Pakistan are entitled to live according to their own religious beliefs. Spreading hatred and creating religious divergence have never benefited us as a nation and will continue to hamper our growth.

The religious vendetta against different minorities is an open question mark to our psychological growth. Unless we curb our hostilities toward other people and provide them with equal opportunities to live, we will not be able to succeed as a nation or even as an individual.

Students, who are responsible to build the foundation of the country, should not be targeted. Mixing education with religious politics can have disastrous effects, which is why it is best to keep our prejudices aside and exist together without sidelining people who perhaps have much to offer to us as a nation.


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M Apr 17, 2012 05:45pm
Hatred against anyone on any grounds is not acceptable in Islam but I am just wondering, I live in abroad and here Ahmedis present themselves as the real Muslims in media compaigns, despite they know about the amendment. Why is that ? Isn't this wrong and shouldn't we condemn this as well ? When everyone of us is playing its part in abusing others why do we complain then ?
Waheed Apr 18, 2012 07:15pm
Dear ordinary Muslim, As you live in a European country, you must be aware of the growing uneasiness among locals of the increasing Muslim population in their land. This uneasiness sometime turns to so much hatred and anger that a person like Anders Behring Breivik, shot and killed 77 innocent people. Just imagine, if one day in future, pressurized by its population or church, either the country you live in or European Union and any other Christian majority nation, collectively passes a law saying anyone who does not believe in Trinity or does not believe in Jesus as being God or son of God, should either be killed or thrown out of the country. I imagine as you are so much for the law of land, would immediately leave that country and come back to the land of pure or King of Saudi Arabia would grant citizenship to all those who would be effected. Also, I would be right to think that you are raising your voice against Muslim clergy who live in UK and other European countries and who want to introduce sharia law in their land. You can say, this would only apply to the Muslim. Maybe true, but why should a Govt. that is giving refuge to people who are running away from their own country for one reason or the other, amend their constitution? On the same note, you should be siding with French and other of European Country’s Law makers, who are pushing for laws banning Hijab or Burqa and God knows what is next. A well wisher
Irfan Shah Apr 17, 2012 03:42pm
Thanks Ms.Faiza
khalid Apr 17, 2012 10:13pm
I agree hate is wrong, but Quadianis are equally responsible. 50 years ago when i was a student in Karachi our college had students from all the provinces including E Pak.Quadiani students wherever they came from had their own gang & called us muslims 'kafirs', they kept their religious activities very aloof, so was that not explicit hatred? so no wonder if they were declared non muslims by others whom they had labelled kafirs etc
Ghazala Apr 17, 2012 06:10pm
This shows the degeneration of society. Intolerant and misguided people emphasizing on all regressive ideas, mainly due to the collapse of public education system in Pakistan. What a shame !
Nasir Chatha Apr 18, 2012 07:58pm
Dear Friends Congrulation for a good courage and brave act to raise this good concern. majority of pakistanis people do not like this kind of attitudeit but never show any couarge to say that is wrong what extremists try to establish in our native land call Pakistan.They like to dictate their own way and leave wrong impression allover. First of we should learn and upgrade our knowledge about Islam,other Deens and Sects before we will address our concerns to media.Ahmadies must have and should have equal rights to exist in any country on this planet as a human beings. Secondly they can practice any good theaching shared by God Almighty and his Messengers (PBUH). Govt of pakistan and religous extremists did not get any rights from God and his messengers to interfere in their personal religous freedom.They should follow the foot steps of Founding leaders like Mohammad Ali Jinnah and his close associates to protect this country from evil empires.Treat all the human beings like huamns not like part of varous sects or religion. We pray to almighty God for another ATT-TURAK for protection of our country from all eveil empiresand make this country like TURKEY or better. Nasir Chatha
Waheed Apr 17, 2012 04:13pm
May this nation understand, great article, well done..May Allah bless this nation.
Anup Apr 17, 2012 10:27pm
Weren't the Ahmedis in the forefront of the Pakistan movement?
Jalal ul deen (@jala Apr 17, 2012 07:22pm
Nation was silent and even supportive of mullahs when persecution of Ahmadis started. Now this has spread against every sect. Even within sects mosques keep fighting with each other. This is where injustice against one minority leads to. i.e. intollerence in society and everyone suffers and its so difficuilit to get out of this mess as mullah rules
Naveed Lotia Apr 18, 2012 07:08pm
Great article. The repression against Ahmedis by the State & Society in Pakistan is simply outrageous. No other community is treated this badly, not even the 'Kaafirs of Kallash'. The problem starts when people think they can speak and decide on behalf of God. It is for God to decide who is a Muslim and who is not a Muslim. Shame on the bigots and those who commit 'shirk' by cosidering themselves to be some type of spokespersons for God!
S.B Apr 18, 2012 07:05pm
SSP May I suggest to you that Ahmadis are non-Muslim in Pakistan because someone decided to play a colossal political card in the early seventies at the behest of the Saudi government. Please do not take my word for it. PPP stalwart Dr Mubashir Hasan has admitted this. Google it please.
AD Apr 18, 2012 02:12pm
great article..! surely its a shameful act, in this globalized world still these people are in stone age..!! They dont actually understand Islam in its true essence which is surely 'love for all hatred for none'
Rashid Bloch Apr 18, 2012 08:12pm
faiz sahib you have done a awesome job may GOD bless you adn enables you in futer also to keep it up and care about ahmadis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thanks
Krish Patel Apr 18, 2012 12:52am
Pak Govt must take hard step and send guilty persons to the jail
Sumit Mazumdar Apr 18, 2012 12:54am
The word ``University'' has ``Universe'' built into it ! That alone should have given a pause to the misguided students
Jim Khan Apr 17, 2012 11:09pm
Almost every section of the society is sufferring. Ahmadis should not play victim and single themselves out.
S.B Apr 18, 2012 07:14pm
Sunny I am afraid you are wrong. The fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis are those as taught by Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him).
Latif Khan Apr 17, 2012 07:08pm
It is a shameful act of some religious group who wish to dominate minority by force. Islam was never spread by sword. It attracted people of other religions with love. We are from same race and culture and should not spread hatred.Hindus are singing songs and bringing peace for other nations but we the Muslims thinks like Bin Ladden way.Well done Ms Faiza. You are very bold, indeed.
Naveed Ul Islam Apr 17, 2012 11:26pm
How come Ahmadi Muslims are the greatest threat to Islam? Can Islam be under threat? Has it ever been? Can a religion of God Almighty be compromised by anyone, a minority or a Government? Has it ever happened in the past? Those of you who believe Islam is the true religion, let Allah Himself deal with those who perpetrate against His religion. Why Mulla is so worried? Honestly what makes him think that he is the custodian of this religion? Look closely and you will find that he is following some other agenda which has nothing to do with the service of Islam. His agenda is to strengthen this hate platform and gain political power to control the masses at the any cost, which might be but not limited to destabilization of this country, defaming Islam in non-Muslim world and lives of innocent people etc. Oh people, who are following this Mulla with your eyes closed, wake up and realize what are you up to. Who are you supporting and where are you heading. People like you are not innocent, your ignorance in this context and your silence is but a horrendous crime. Wake up before it is too late. Nice article, keep up the good work.
Kailash Dubey Apr 17, 2012 09:35pm
There is lot of difference between original islam of prophet & islam of pakistan.Under the banner of pakistani islam Non-muslim & even some sect.of muslims has no right to exist.
Adam Apr 17, 2012 06:56pm
Equal opportunities! I wish I could see the Pakistan as dreamed by Qaid in my life.... Keep writing for good and thanks
Noor Forum Apr 17, 2012 03:51pm
Very well written and a bravery effort done by Faiza Mirza.
Mubarak Apr 18, 2012 08:28pm
very nice article religion is one's personal matter
Lone Apr 17, 2012 11:30pm
We keep harping on tolerance - but what good is it unless we tell our friends, families, and neighbors to be tolerant, specifically in regards to Ahmadis??
Zeeshan Apr 18, 2012 06:58pm
Hats off to you my dear Muslim brother. you have elaborated the matter very well.
Zafar Malik Apr 18, 2012 07:30pm
To understand the plight of Ahmadis just imagine that sunni minority is declared Non-Mulim by the Parliament of Iraq or Iran, where shias dominate, what would the sunnis do, as they honestly believe that they are mulism? Would they accept the law of the land and stop calling themselves muslims and stop practicing their religion? or ignore the law of the land? this is the dilema Ahmadis are facing today. This issue can never be resolved unless hearts are cleansed of hate and bigotry.
Mohd Amir Apr 17, 2012 11:34pm
If every person would investigate the truth for himself rather than relying on another we would not see so much hatred and animosity in our society. If we feel someone is following a path that is wrong we can guide them through love and kindness and if there is no result then leave them to themselves. Let it be known that Religious fanaticism and hatred are a world-devouring fire, whose violence none can quench.
nasrbhatti Apr 17, 2012 11:36pm
Good effort ,thanks a lot ,and well done Ms Faiza
Khan Irshad Apr 17, 2012 09:00pm
Most of us forget that our present religion is not by our choice; our religion was validated at our birth. One baby born in a Muslim family is a proud Muslim and the other baby born in a Sikh family is a proud Sikh. Killing each other for the sake of religious believes is outrageous, your faith is your personal matter and so is for everyone else. Live and let live, if u can’t do good to anyone don’t do bad.
A.Bajwa Apr 17, 2012 04:31pm
The problem is that Clergy want to have the dominant voice in every matter. That is getting theocracy by the backdoor.
saleem sadiq Apr 17, 2012 05:33pm
I have great great Love for Quran so I learned Arabic to fullfill my Love. Allah knows all & better but these so Called Protacter`s of Great Islam the Clergy have not enough knowledge of Quran. Unfortunatly less educated loving & careing Pakistani`s are fooled by this Clergy & Ruler`s. Saleem Sadiq Cranbrook, British columbia, Canada
Azaz Warraich Apr 17, 2012 08:18pm
Nice Article. Thanks Faiza!
Fareed Khan Apr 17, 2012 05:02pm
Politicians should be asked to give their clear opinion on this matter. But, sadly, they avoid such issues.
Farhan Apr 18, 2012 02:10am
All Ahmadi readers! I am so sorry about what is happening to you guys in Pakistan and being silent, I am an accomplice. I try to raise my voice everywhere against this apartheid. I see this persecution happening everywhere around me. Our country is full of hate literature against you guys alleging funny things which no sane person would believe. Our story writers like Ishfaq Ahmad devote an entire page to Anti Ahmadi propaganda before starting a story and all men of my Generation who has read Inspector Jamshed Series have been influenced by that propaganda. I wish, I could throw these mullahs in Baheera-e-Arab.
Waheed Apr 18, 2012 02:02am
Bravo! Ms. Faiza. As I type this, there are 23 comments and all the comments are in agreement with Ms. Faiza. There is not a single comment, condemning either the author or Ahmadis, which is hard to swallow. I suspect the views of the other side have been received by Dawn but, the language is such that it can not be printed. The other thing that comes to mind is, in Pakistan, we have a very tiny population that can either read or care to follow English press/media. The masses are controlled by Urdu media which is comprised and controlled largely by a Gung-ho Jehadi mindset or conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately, during the past 30 years or so most of the Pakistan population which is under the age of 30 has been thoroughly brain washed in such a way that there is nothing left but HATE for everyone and everything. Anyway, whether people of Pakistan are not reading/paying attention to articles like this or all replies that disagree with Ms. Faiza use an unprintable language, the situation is more depressing and dangerous than one can imagine.
Majid Khan (@BraveMa Apr 18, 2012 07:01pm
tel me plz how do i make comment on such articles,i made two comments but were under the "moderation scrutiny" and then never showed it what do i do now..
Adil Jadoon Apr 17, 2012 09:26pm
Good article and very true. I grew up hating Ahmadis and considering them non-muslims, because they are a minority and a minority is always looked down upon and deemed immoral. I never however thought that they should be killed just for being Ahmadis and this must be recognized. Although a lot of people will discriminate against them, wrongly in my opinion (since I have decided to think for myself now) but it is only the criminal and those with special motives who will go beyond that. The best thing to do is to have a discussion, not an argument I might say. An open discussion can at times be a cathartic and quite good for ones soul. Whether they are muslims or not? well that is not our decision to make although we are entitled to our opinion. A lot of Americans think all muslims are terrorists, they are wrong and in my opinion ignorant. But they are entitled to their views and I can only put forward my point of view which they may not agree with. Live in peace.
antz Apr 17, 2012 04:24pm
come on remove all the barbaric laws and all the mullah with long beard above 40 yrs , and you will have the safe society.
Maroof Apr 17, 2012 06:06pm
Too bad we (Muslims) are in such a disarray. This is what George Bernard Shaw said about Islam,"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." Sadly we are stuck in reverse.
nadra zulfiqar Apr 17, 2012 04:29pm
we should give equal opportunities to all citizens regardless what religion they belong. well written article
babar khan tanoli Apr 17, 2012 06:10pm
every body is free in matter of religion, this is ones private matter, others need not to indulge in this matter. Instead of disturbing them, one must rather behave in a gentle manner in order to impress others.
V Apr 18, 2012 01:43am
whatever, the best solution is to leave Pakistan and thats the end of story.. I will never return to Pakistan nor would like to be called a Pakistani
athar mahmood Apr 17, 2012 06:25pm
this hate campaign is not new.for Ahmadi students its a usual practice.but what frighten me most is that this attitude towards nation fellows would bring a lot of disastrous consequences in Pakistan like brain drain.many students of this community have left the country for this reason and are appreciated to left because they will have to leave it soon or later...
Zahra Apr 17, 2012 08:47pm
I wonder what Nadeem Paracha has to say about this.
Ibrahim Apr 18, 2012 07:20pm
Dear Mr Imran, If you can leave your reply here, you can certainly write against injustices against Hindus, Shias, Sunnis and other common man as you mentioned. Dont blame others.
PARDESI Apr 17, 2012 04:56pm
No wonder that with this attitude we have undermined Islam and the good name of Muslims. No wonder we are so broken and weak in face of the other world religion and get beaten and ridiculed by the nations of the world. No wonder we have a broken country as we are every one first but not Pakistanis. But the minute someone shows us few green dollars or a green card we are prepared to work and eat McDonalds in a foreign country. And Islam goes out of the window.
NSA Apr 17, 2012 05:50pm
Very well said Raika45 - I second your views, completely
mehar ali Apr 18, 2012 02:38am
Well who is parliment to declare who is Muslim or not. Its up to Allah to decide. If someone says the Qalima then he/she is a Muslim. Why don't all sects come forward and start their campaigns for presenting true Islam, they will not do that because deep down they believe in violent jihad and killing in name of Islam. There are very few moderates like Ghamdi and they have to leave the country to save their life from religious fanatics.Its time all Muslims should come forward and present the true picture of Islam.
Rahman Apr 17, 2012 05:55pm
Congratulation Miss. Faiza. May your words carry a message of harmony and open eyes of those who continue to play ignorant and do not treat the fellow human beings as such just becaue they may have different belief. All human beings are created equal by Great Almighty and we must respect it.
Aziz Bhatti Apr 17, 2012 06:41pm
Its been happening with Ahmadi students since 1974 and things got worse in Zia's era. And now every government university and college has been polluted by these so called Islamic groups. Jamiat, TKN, etc. and all of these are religious-political wings of different political parties (Jamat-e-Islami, PMLN, PMLQ, TI). One wonders how private institutions and universities are safe or little better in these terms? I think they know how to protect their students whic are their business life blood.
Majeed Ahmad Apr 18, 2012 08:12pm
A great article and a new voice of courage in the form of Faiza Mirza. Standing up for injustices against Ammaddis in Pakistan is not for chicken hearts.
balalhaider Apr 17, 2012 05:59pm
Such behavior in an educational institute is shameful for every Pakistani. Ahmadis are Pakistanis and as per the constitution of Pakistan they have all the rights of being a Pakistani. Yet another failure of Pakistan Government.
Asiya Apr 18, 2012 07:54pm
overexaggerated article to malign Pakistan as well as Muslims
Gilzai Apr 17, 2012 04:56pm
Thanks you Faiza for raising the awareness about the plight of Ahmedies.
raika45 Apr 17, 2012 04:55pm
What is this with you muslims?Other religions also have sub sects and yet on the whole they live in harmony.The policy of you go your way and I go mine holds true for them.I as a Sikh I feel that Allah is not the prerogative of any one religious sect.Learn to live and let live.As I said, you follow your system and let others follow theirs.The rest leave to Allah in the after life.Who is right or who is wrong , the almighty will resolve.This is a problem too complex for mere mortals to solve.A huge percentage of your nation's problems is based on your religious misunderstanding.
down earthd Apr 18, 2012 07:39pm
i realy extol mis faiza fr illuminating the ppl of pak wid thiz truth cncerning the ahmadiya studentz nd cmmunity. Religious discrimination must end fr justice sake nd ppl shud realy eschew terrorizing ahmadi studentz like tht cz r prophet pbuh nevr preachd us to do so.
Human Apr 18, 2012 03:30am
And pakistanis claim they care for Muslims in India? Why they donot see plight of Ahmediyas, Shias, Hazaras and other Muslim minorities in Pakistani itself. BTW, I didnot mention, Hindus, Christians and Sikhs, as I donot expect anything for non-Muslims from Pakistanis.
raika45 Apr 18, 2012 04:05pm
To Dboy.To correct you,I have never touched or read the Quran.In fact if I am not mistaken it is haram for a non muslim to touch it in my country Malaysia.I have great respect for ALL religions.My comment was what I felt.Hope this clears all misunderstandings.
Maudood A. Bhatti Apr 18, 2012 03:41am
It is such a shame that Ahmadis are being harassed in an educational institution which is meant for all Pakistanis regardless of their religion or faith. Is it the best way for Pakistan to project itself in the world which is a global village?
Murtuza Babrawala Apr 18, 2012 03:41am
Pakistan cannot and will not achieve the visiona of Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah until and unless we remove and eliminate all religious extremist that exist within our borders. Pakistan's salvation lies in its becoming a modern Islamic state with complete religious freedom and equal rights for all Muslims and Non-Muslims. The treatment of Ahmadis, Shia Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians shows that we are far away from the visions of Quaid-e-Azam.
Junaid Apr 18, 2012 03:44am
How many of you believed that LUMS, being one of the most 'liberal' institutes in the Islamic Republic was very unmarred by this issue? If the number is large, I am really sorry to say that things at LUMS have also deteriorated. I persoanlly know students who have secluded themselves or even left - yes, left - LUMS only because of this religious hatred. It is not just LUMS, It is the entire country that is falling to this false propaganda. And unless something is done soon about this, things will continue to grow worse than ever.
Truth Seeker Apr 18, 2012 04:00pm
Than why you differentiate among muslim sects. Why Mazars are destroyed, why hazara people are persecuted, why there is secratarian killing in Pakistan. Please don't forget Ahmadies were the first which contributed a lot in creation of Pakistan and uplifting its image while the so called mullahs are against Pakistan & Quaid-e-Azam
Aimal Apr 18, 2012 04:13am
Every citizen should be free and safe in our Pakistan. I pray we can become tolerant of others in our society. Clergy in every religion tend to be bigoted. My wife happens to be born an ahmadi. After marrying me she has been declared an outcast by her family. Murabis are as bad as Mullahs. Ahmadis are instructed to treat muslims the way christians ,jews etc... Things have to change on both sides.
Russell (Adelaide, A Apr 18, 2012 04:15am
Religious bigotry has no place in our life, our world.
abdulmannan qureshi Apr 18, 2012 04:17am
very well raika45 god bless you
Ghumman Apr 18, 2012 04:30am
That's very well said Faiza. Unfortunately no body listens or bothers to look into deep intolerance we have in our society. I faced same situation in my medical university where one of friend stopped having a cup of tea with me during our tea breaks due to me being ahmedi. Even the literate among us know little about Islam and it's teaching. I have a burning desire to com back and practise in my own country and help my own peoples as that's the country given me education and recognition , but then I get scare when I see example of Shaheed Dr Manan Siddique who was a Hero and servant of local community in MirPurKhas and murdered by these Fuundamentalis. It will take ages before MirPurKhas produces another Legend like Dr Manan Siddique. He did the same mistake after specialising from America and rather than settling there with a comfortable life , He chooses to serve his nation and saves lifes of peoples in the area and in return he lost his Life. May Allah bless him and many others which are uncountable. This all has to change, Ahmadies have same right as everybody else have in the country and by reading this article, there is a light at the end of a tunnel.
Great Khan Apr 18, 2012 05:23am
What Indian Army could not do is now being done through our Mullahs. No wonder all these religious parties were not part of my Great Quaid-e-Azam freedom movement. We need a Kamal Ata-Turk for Pakistan. I say throw the Mullah into Indian Ocean.....
aleem Apr 18, 2012 05:35am
it has become a norm in Pakistan, it does not concern only Ahmadies but Christians as well, in fact ALL minorities. Its just that Ahmadies are crushed more than others. Religious fanatics are at large in Pakistan and its impossible for a member of a minority group stay in such a country
Sarwar Naqvi - Toron Apr 18, 2012 06:38am
The main problem is il-literacy or lack of knowledge. The "poor" muslims are scared that, "these" Ahmadis think they are better! Okay, if you are better, show it or else surrender. You only raise you voice (shout) in a polite discussion when you are lacking in knowledge and information. Please dear muslims, practice the religion by its meanings, ISLAM. We, although a minority, earn the equal respect by our REAL Islamic practice, here in west.
Nadeem Apr 18, 2012 07:12am
Mr. M, why should I call myself a non Muslim because some Mullahs and a very corrupt leader decided to have an amendment. Did Allah include this in his amendment? Let Allah decide if I am a Muslim or not. No human being has that right!!!
Nadeem Apr 18, 2012 07:14am
the problem is that the Mullah brigade wants to keep the rest of the nation ignorant!!!
Haider Masood Bajwa Apr 18, 2012 07:17am
I had a first hand experience of it when i was in Punjab University in early 2000's. It is religious intolerance that has brought us here and until we take concrete steps to bottle the problem I am afraid things would get even worse
An Agonist Pakistani Apr 18, 2012 02:29pm
Just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to write this comment as I learned something from it and understand your point of view. We may respectfully disagree (I think religion is one's personal matter and shouldn't be used to define a nation/county) but I appreciate and respect your opinion. Thanks once again!
attique Apr 23, 2012 11:01am
Why cant we set aside our religious hatred against all sects of Islam and live in peace and harmony like the western societies. We boast of us being the best among all human beings and we will be forgiven in world hereafter; false absolutely false.......We must believe in being pakistanis first and then Muslims.......For God sake, be human and spare humanity........
Ahmad Tahir Apr 18, 2012 08:27am
Thank You very Much Faiza for writing this article.Everybody should be given equal rights.if not at least they should be treated as human beings.
Imran Apr 18, 2012 08:34pm
Our nation is brainwashed, 99% if not 100%.
MAK Apr 18, 2012 04:11pm
Great Article. I remember when I was in a reputed University of Karachi some 19 years back there was such a group who also put posters like that in the campus to boycott Qadianis. But today the situation is very worst. You find posters like these even in primary schools and if the situation is not control than other sects will be targeted.
iqbal khan Apr 18, 2012 02:23pm
Problem is with Pakistani conservatives who have messed this country in the name of religion.For these people Ahmedies are non Muslims but they will not say a word against those who slaughter people like animal.
B. Ally Apr 18, 2012 03:48pm
If we will not get used to diversity and learn to be tolerant,we will remain locked into our dear country as is happening now to us. What to speak of maintaining any meaningful socio/economic relations, no one as is happening now, would even play with us, the way a rowdy kid is being shunned away in a street. Let us think hard over it and work out our way in the Comity of Nations by sending positive messages that we can live in harmony at home. If we keep fighting with people of our own skin then who will trust us for any sort of relationship.
Sunny Apr 18, 2012 03:42pm
"Who is right and who is wrong. Allah will decide alone". True. Allah have already given guidance through His messengers like Adam, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon on all of them). If somebody is unable to find the true path in today's glittering materialistic world then who's fault it is. Sikh religion has directions how to slaughter an animal but see how many sikhs follow, Christians are prohibited to use pork and alcohol, similarly buddish and hindus are not allowed use of meat but see how many of them follow. Are muslims the only ones to strictly follow their religion?
Baigent Rudman Apr 18, 2012 10:28am
There is NOTHING wrong with Muslims but only with those who misuse Islam. Also please note that what you are stating is from the Noble Quran: [Sura109:1-6]Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. [Sura2:256] There is no compulsion in religion. "Who is right and who is wrong, leave it to Allah's Judgment in the After-Life" is also from the Noble Quran. The Noble Quran explicity states these commands. NO other Holy Religious Scripture of any religion...NO other religion except Islam has so explicitly and repeatedly made this fundamental command. Besides many Verses, a whole Sura categorically states these commands of Allah. Please prove me wrong by verifiable reference. Thank you/ Peace be with you.
an ordinary Muslim Apr 18, 2012 10:39am
I live in a small town in a European country. We have a small mosque and about 500 Muslims.There are probably around 20 Ahmadis as well.Near my town is a city of 1 million. Every year Ahmadi's from this large city bring bus load of Ahmadis into my small town.They arrange a seminar on religous tolerance for general public. A Christian priest,a Jewish Rabbi and an an Ahmadi scholar lead the seminar. Muslims of my town are bypassed and the non-Muslims are cleverly given the message that the Ahmadi's are the Muslim representative of this town.Similarly in this adjacent large city, there are 70000 Muslims and probably only couple of thousands Ahmadis at the most. However the biggest place of worship has been allocated to Ahmadi's.It is very obvious that silly Muslims wrongly discriminate Ahmadi's in Pakistan but it is also true when the same Ahmadi's get an opportunity they hurt the main stream Muslims. In my town, my tax dollars from city taxes, go to either Public school or Catholic school. I dont have an option to send my tax dollars to Islamic school. This is the law and I respect it. Similarly an elected Govt in Pakistan has declared the Ahmadi's non-Muslim.The Ahmadi's have to obey the law.If they claim themselves to be Muslim, they are violating the law. They have an option, like me to leave a place if they dont like the law. The Qadiani issue is probably less then 100 years old.The Ahmadi leaders and their followers made this religion, not the Muslims of India and Pakistan.We are always welcoming them to come back to Islam. They are the ones who want to have theor own religion.If a member of a family wants to disregard the rules of his family, and demands that his rules should get equal acceptance, it is this member's fault. One should understand that who is provoking this issue. Finally let me tell you that Hazrat Abu-Baker, the best trained friend of Our Holy Prophet PBUH, sent an army to crush a tribe which refused to pay Zakat, even though all of this tribe members beleived and recited Kalima.This is proof that just reciting a Kalima but at the same time cutting the foundations of Deen,does not give a person a green light. The issues of Christians and Hindus are totally different.They dont cut the fundations of our Deen. The dont call themselves Muslims.
Alan Zoeb Apr 18, 2012 10:41am
Raika is quoting from the Qu'ran.
Ahmed Khan Apr 18, 2012 10:54am
The writer of this article is merely trolling and fomenting emotions based on old case which was denied by person in authority who was familier with the case. Dawn should avoid such provocateurs.
Emmanuel Swartz Apr 18, 2012 11:01am
There is nothing in the Muslim religion or its Scripture called the Qu'ran about what the writer is implying. I have read it. Freedom of religion is given only in Islam. Study comparative religion and you will understand what I am saying.
Dboy Apr 18, 2012 11:08am
Really raika45? Your are simply appropriating what Allah says in the Quran as if it was from Sikh Scriptures. And do you even know what that mandatory 'Kurpan' means? What it symbolizes? And how it was used on Muslim men, women, and children in 1947.
atta Apr 18, 2012 11:09am
These are not Islam's teachings. Why we are not wakening ? look around you and you will notice what a mess we have created by these false teaching we are following. Thanks Faiza for shaking the nation. I believe we need more people like u to make Pakistan a better place to live.
Dharmveer Apr 18, 2012 11:09am
I could not understand the use of "vendetta" in the heading vendetta for what? what Ahmadiyya have done to the Sunnis or Shia?
Abu Aayan Apr 18, 2012 01:51pm
Yes, you claim to have beliefs of being Muslims, what about actions... Look at this country. What a Muslim Country .. Congrats ..
SSP Apr 18, 2012 01:45pm
ahmadis are non muslims because their belief and practices are different from islam. Pakistani liberals need to come back to their senses and realise that the nation they live in was created because of islam meaning if their was no islam Muslims would not have exsisted to demand for a seperate land. This being said, Muslims have NO RIGHTS to kill anyone just because of their differences of belief which has no support in any part of Islam.
Sunny Apr 18, 2012 03:31pm
thanks for writing so simply that Qadianis are different from Main stream muslims as their fundamental beliefs are different from Muslims. why they trumpet that discrimination is being observed against qadianis one can easily understand.
muneeb Apr 18, 2012 12:05pm
a good essay by acitizen of my beloved country
Ali Apr 18, 2012 03:18pm
Social terrorism is very common against Ahmadis for long and now it has jump to great extent. Ahmadis are denied from basic rights of a citizen in Zia era by making injustice laws. people don't know much about Ahmadis but only to hate these peaceful people. Situation is so worse that no one even has the courage to even talk about this matter. this is the sign of a ignorant and cruel society.
Salman Tariq Apr 18, 2012 12:14pm
Sigh. In 2012, we Pakistanis continue to live in the Stone Age. Ya Allah, slap us out of our slumber, before we come up with new ways of hating each other. As a Pakistani I am ashamed at the silence of my compatriots at this atrocity, among several others.
dalda Apr 18, 2012 12:22pm
Rakia, Thank you for your comments. Don't you think you are stereotyping by associating this problem with Muslims. If you visit Pakistan you will learn that 85% Pakistanis believe in "live and let live", it is the other 15% very vocal and strong minority that has kidnapped the entire nation. The 85% too majority is too sheepish and non-violent that it has accepted the 15% minority as sheep herders.
tahirimran Apr 18, 2012 12:24pm
Faiza has eloquently explained the issue which is not just here at Sargodha but everywhere. We as a country are getting deeper into this nonsense and I can see there is no return from this state unless we as a society stand up and act together.
ITouchTheFuture Apr 18, 2012 12:27pm
Thank you, Ms. Faiza Mirza, for writing this article. To the university’s credit, it appears to have cool-headed administrators in charge. But the harassment that is being alleged is serious, and would not be a surprise if confirmed. Pakistan has a ‘rap-sheet’ a mile long when it comes to the maltreatment of minorities and groups that have been given the label ‘minority’ by force (Ahmadis come to mind). I strongly urge the university authority to remove all trouble-makers from their institution. The draconian anti-Ahmadi measure passed by the Pakistan legislature in 1974 was what started the country’s inexorable slide toward the abyss. To those who wish to save the nation from utter destruction, I urge joining together to repeal the cruel measures taken against the Ahmadis by government leaders in 1974 and 1984. Also, do visit to discover the beliefs and practices of Ahmadis worldwide. Too, please consider this question: is not the true picture of an individual or a group obtained from an examination of his/her/its claims and practices in relative freedom? If so, do you not see how Ahmadis present themselves in non-Muslim societies? They UPHOLD Islam! Peace to all truthseekers!
Imran Apr 18, 2012 02:18pm
Ms Faiza, have you ever written about injustices against Hindus, Shias, Sunnis, any other common man? Only ahmadis are not the target in pak. The whole society has become intolerant (not just religiously) and you can observe it from Karachi to gilgit. But ahmadis only want justice for themselves.
Muhammad Yaqub Apr 18, 2012 01:36pm
It is always a sign of Goodness when any voice is raised against any kind of injustice. The very fabric of Pakistan's society is corrupted and Religious Intolerance is at its height. Faiza, May God give you the strength to always side with the downtrodden. Keep it up girl !!
Hamana Apr 18, 2012 01:15pm
Its not about Ahmadis doing it to anyone, but others doing it to them
ssp Apr 18, 2012 03:17pm
Mr Agnostic pakistani, According to your opinion then the purpose of the creation of Pakistan ENDS right their as it was created on the bases of religion not secularism or liberalism. Rule of law is one of the fundamental belief of the religion majority of Pakistanis follow and if they are not following it and declaring it to be irrelevant to the matter of the state then they are only displaying themself to be one of the worst of its kind.
ssp Apr 18, 2012 03:07pm
Dawn news cares more about "minorities" then majorities.
Hasan Mir Apr 18, 2012 02:10pm
I'll echo the sentiments of a previous poster. Religious bigotry has no place in our society, or our world.
nomi Apr 18, 2012 02:00pm
same here, Pakistan is suffering from Brain-Drain as the many Madrassas educate students not in accordance with economical and market labour demands and those who are fortunate enough to gain proper education, they leave the country as there are no job prospects. This lack of foreign investment is due to the insecurity and instability of the country, which again is due to religious extremists who create fear among Pakistan's citizen.
Wigi Apr 18, 2012 02:00pm
here is the vendetta “Ahmadis call themselves Muslims and that is unacceptable for us.” “They think they are better off than us religiously and they preach other students about their religion. We will not have them preach their religion to Muslim students,” added Tufani. The vendetta is in the thought that Sunnis (and Shias) carry against Ahmadis ... got it????
Pakistani Apr 18, 2012 02:06pm
A very nice article about the injustice to minorities.
Shahji Apr 18, 2012 08:50pm
The biggest problem is the Ahmaddiya community is too peaceful, were they like the other terrorist groups, these bigots would dare not touch them, secondly no one has a right to declare anyone non muslim, only Allah can do it. Once you callsomeone a non muslim, it does nto stop there, next they will call shia non Muslim, after that Ismaili will be wajib ul qatal, the only people who are wajob ul qatal are those preaching hatred against minorities and other people, these religious gangsters should not be tolerated or they will one day reach for all our throats.
Shahji Apr 18, 2012 08:52pm
Where is a real Muslim in Pakistan, I bet you are not following true Islam, look at yourself first before judging others, only Allah has right to judge, not man.
Shahji Apr 18, 2012 08:56pm
thank you brother, the mullah and religious bigot is the biggest enemy of Pakistan.
Shahji Apr 18, 2012 08:58pm
shame on you for spreading hate....
Ghulam Apr 18, 2012 09:03pm
Are you aware of the boycotting by Ahmadi's against their own members who do not conform to their every demand?
Ghulam Apr 18, 2012 09:06pm
Who will side will all Ahmadi girls who are followed spied on and ex communicated by dirty old men in the Ahmadi jamaat. Just google stories of ex-ahmadi women and the persecution they suffer at the hands of this so called peaceful organisations leaders.
KRR Apr 18, 2012 09:34pm
Similarly ahmadis can say that they are true muslims and you are not.
Hamid Bashir Apr 18, 2012 09:52pm
I remember when I was in middle school, one of my elder sister' s friend was a qadiyani. She was one of the sweetest persons I have ever known. Once she brought us some home cooked dessert and my sister and her other friends did not eat any of it and told me to do the same. I did not understand. Now when I look back, I feel ignorant, arrogant and somewhat deeply troubled and disappointed. Are we really the flag-carriers of Islam, good faith and peace? In Mohammad' s time, every person had to right to practice his/ her religion and our duty is to safeguard their interests just like we safeguard ours. Many mullahs are too quick to pick the sword and fight, yet have no wisdom to dwell deeper into religion to promote peace and tolerance.
Athar Apr 18, 2012 09:59pm
someone have to initiatives to look after the minorities this could be looked that majority get attention from everywhere. We have to accept and respect who ever lives in Pakistan regardless of their region, culture background. This country is not just for muslims or say so called
Wazir Khan Apr 18, 2012 10:21pm
Good One Ordinary, I think you summed up just everything on the issue and more effectively than the author of this useless article. Bravo!
Mohan Apr 18, 2012 10:26pm
Well said Sardar Sahib. I am really thrilled to read such wide participation from People of Pakistan in response to matter by raised by Ms. Faiza which goes on to show community is concerned about the kind of life they are living. I am sure democracy gradually shall help improve conditions.
muzjee Apr 18, 2012 05:34pm
Some people say that I only care about discrimination against Ahmadies but not against any other group. This is not true, I speak in favor of Ahmadies as I am an Ahmadi and have experienced discrimiation first hand. It does not mean that it does not hurt me when I see other injustice. As they say in Urde "Jiss Tan Lage, Us Tan Janne".
PThind Apr 18, 2012 05:34pm
I think the point Dharamveer is raising is..... that the feud is only one way. Many journalists in India refer to one community slaughtering the other as "Religious Riots" as in 84 Sikh riots, which may imply that it is two groups fighting.
TMB Apr 18, 2012 05:39pm
if the Ahmedi's stop calling themselves Muslims then we won't have any problems. They need to admit that they have different religion just like Sikhism, Parsi's etc. The dont believe in the finalhood of the prophet and hence can not be qualified as muslims. My earlier comment were not published by the editor although it did not have any obectionalable material. Do we have to agree with faiza and write pro-ahmedi comments to haev them published? what about open media, free press and free speech?
muzjee Apr 18, 2012 10:40pm
People should not think that when Ahmadies speak against injustice towards them, they only care about themselves and not any other group. This is not the case. It is just that they experience this discrimination first hand.
AIN Apr 18, 2012 10:42pm
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AIN Apr 18, 2012 10:47pm
Very good article.. I sufferd the same during my whole University time.I just wonderd that what ever r u?who ever r u?? rights of being humane shouldn't be taken from u.....
M.Faheem Akhtar (@Fa Apr 18, 2012 10:49pm
Thanx Faiza for your daring effort!!! Lets hope for the best and pray for our nation, may God purify their hearts!
anonymous observer Apr 18, 2012 05:50pm
Sir, With due respect there is a difference between majority backed hatred and individual instances of intolerance.. The reason why Ahmadis try to raise a voice against such injustices is because no one really joins in condemning such incidents..while the majority of us stand up for other above mentioned groups. The injustices against the Ahmadiyya Muslim community are more than often met with a deaf ear. That is what the fuss is all about...
Zahid Apr 18, 2012 10:57pm
I feel it very wrong to exclude somebody from the society. They are also human and deserve the same kind of treatment like every other pakistani. Why should we feel hurt? Religion is something between Allah and a person. We should stop these pracices, and stop moaning when muslims are profiled in the western world.
Cyrus Howell Apr 18, 2012 11:01pm
I am very interested in all of the replies here.
Nas Apr 18, 2012 11:05pm
Faiza great article, as far as i am concerned leave judgement of who is a muslim and who is not to allah not some mullah or dictator like zia
Sufi Apr 18, 2012 11:42pm
Credit goes to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Question arises; Should PPP apologize to nation for this crime they committed in constitution?
Cyrus Howell Apr 18, 2012 11:44pm
"The Greatest Enemy Of Knowledge Is Not Ignorance... ...It Is The Illusion Of Knowledge" -- Stephen Hawking
Amir Khan Apr 19, 2012 01:24am
If every person would investigate the truth for himself rather than relying on another we would not see so much hatred and animosity in our society. If we feel someone is following a path that is wrong we can guide them through love and kindness and if there is no result then leave them to themselves. Let it be known that Religious fanaticism and hatred are a world-devouring fire, whose violence none can quench.
Cyrus Howell Apr 19, 2012 01:52am
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Godaveri Apr 19, 2012 01:58am
Majority are the ones committing the crimes or being silent spectators. Do you think Dawn needs to glorify their actions.
nadia siddiqua Apr 19, 2012 02:14am
Hats off to you Ms Faiza.very brave attempt to show truth to other Muslims.Persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan is started long time before and by time this is increasing in different ways.sometime by attacking on ahmadi place of worship,or killed ahmadis in the name of religion or putting ahmadis in jails just to say Assalamualiakum or say Kalima or putting restrictions on ahmadi students in colleges or universities or sometime by rejecting ahmadi students admission in any college or university.Which cruel action is left which they didnt do with Ahmadis in Pakistan? I dont know which Islam they are showing with these deeds. because Islam's teachings are very clear that there is no compulsion in religion and whosoever killed a person, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind and for you your religion, and for me my religion. So its clear that nobody has a right to judge anyones faith or religion. Everybody has a freedom to choose any religion what he wants. Everyone is answerable in front of Allah not in front of anyone else. So who gave authority to any muslim to decide for other muslim that he is right or wrong. Leave this matter for Allah because He is the Creator of all human beings and only He knows heart's secrets of anyone. open your eyes before you get any punishment from Allah because of your deeds. May Allah give you guidance to right path and forgive you. Ameen
Sarwar Naqvi - Toron Apr 19, 2012 04:05am
Only question is, "why we Muslims have to decide most of our cases by force and not by knowledge or logic? " Answer, a big majority does not know the essence of DEEN. For all different sects in Islam, (sunni, shia, wahabi, hanafi, etc) every other is non-muslim and to be eliminated. If Allah wanted these all be muslims, it would have been. Thousands of muslims believe in Allah but do not perfom 5 daily prayers. They all know wine, interest, bribing ALL are forbidden. But practice . . . I believe in live and let others live. For the matter of religion we all will meet the creator and answerable to our actions. Let there be peace to all mankind.
Syed Apr 19, 2012 06:28am
Dear ordinary Muslim Thank you for your opinion. Your writing is an eye opener. There is a fashion in Pakistan to blast Mullahs or anything Islamic. It is not a problem of Islam that it's followers are cutting each other's throat. I agree with your point that no Mullah asked the founder of Ahmadi religion to deviate from teachings of Islam and first claim himself a prophet and later Imam Mahdi. He asked for this himself. Let him have his own Deen. I have no problem if they calls themselves anything other then Muslim. If you join US army and later make your own rules and regulations, the US army would punish you, take away your uniform and would not allow you to claim as a US soldier.Would this be a discrimination.Islam is a system . Accept it or leave it. If somebody wants to cut the foundations, he should be prepared for consequences . Thank you for reminding us about the action taken by Hazarat is another common opinion that by saying Kalima is enough. Who would have known this more then the best friend of our Holy Prophet
azhar saleem Apr 19, 2012 09:10am
very well written, Ahmadi should obey the law. at the same time all muslim do not have right to treat ahmadi badly
tariq Apr 19, 2012 09:11am
SSP, I am very surprised by your knowledge about the creation of Pakistan as well as about Ahmedi's. They were declared non muslims by Bhutto who himself was a corrupt. SSP, should study Islam and find out about Ahmedi's belief. No offence but you should study before making a judgement.
Dboy Apr 19, 2012 10:16am
You responded with words from the Qu' if the meaning, if not the verses, came from your heart. Perhaps you absorbed it from the Muslim culture around you. Some times the Qu'ran reaches out to people who think in a noble manner whatever their professed religion. Sometimes it it may not touch those who read it often without heart. Some non-Muslims are taught by their religious leaders not to touch the Qu'ran as they consider that it is the devils book...but if you are afraid to touch it and think it unclean, you can always read an English translation and confirm what I stated in my earlier comment and as Rudman has so graciously quoted. I assure you it will not make you unclean. As it is you already speak its meaning as if from the heart. Your choice. Peace be with you.
Ali Asad Rahman Apr 19, 2012 10:35am
Muslim is one who has faith and believes in the fundamentals of Islam (Oneness of Allah Subhana’ho’ta’alla and Muhammad (s.a.w) being the last prophet of Allah), if anybody denies these basic fundamentals he is not a Muslim. Ahmedies denies that Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) is the last prophet of Allah Subhana’ho’ta’alla and was declared Non-muslims; but they are not minorities because they portray that they are Muslim which is wrong. That’s why we being Muslim condemn them and as they are involved in cutting roots of our religion we continue to condemn them.
El Cid Apr 19, 2012 10:48am
Allah decides who is to be shown mercy and welcomed into Jannet-Paradise. This is irrespective of a persons belief system. This Gift is NOT in the control of Man, but entirely subject to Allah's Will. All are equal before Allah. All are His creation. They differ in acceptance only through their behaviour and belief. The Noble Quran, NOT the amendment, defines who a Muslim is and how a Muslim is to behave. Saying the Qalima is an oath, a signature of a contract with Allah...and all that it signifies. When you say and believe in it you become a Muslim and enter the Umma and accept the responsibilities and obligations inherent in the Oath-Contract with Allah. If you choose to change the words of that contract - the contract that makes you a Muslim - that change of words makes the contract null and void at inception and you cannot then call yourself a Muslim. Some sects and cults have done just that...
maha Apr 19, 2012 10:54am
well written article, though it is very difficult to live in a society, where people consider u Non-Muslim...we faced hardships, but never adopt the same violent behaviour that the so called Muslims do to us...who is right? they or we??
Wazir Khan Apr 19, 2012 11:20am
Just to chip in a food for thought. Theirs is a separate religion and not sect. Through such media adventures they are trying to portray themselves as a muslim sect.
El Cid Apr 19, 2012 11:24am
Was that why his society and culture put a bullet through his head? And wasn't he who brought the world almost to a nuclear end...but for the wisdom, of all places, of the Soviet leader? Just asking...
ibnehussain Apr 19, 2012 11:30am
Ahmadies become a different lot when persecution against them has been legalized since 1984, while none such law exist against any other community not even in Pakistan but such inhumane laws do not exist anywhere in the world. So kindly just have look on the 1984 amendments regarding Ahmadies and you will know that what injustice we are doing to them.
Taimoor Ahmed Siddiq Apr 19, 2012 11:34am
Respected Fouzia,You should go through the history first that how and why was the Ahmadiay community was established.You can read your own book that which sort of language and phrases are used for all non ahmades. The hatred was started from your community and finally and it is all the reaction which you are facing now. I just want to conclude my statement by saying that Pakistanis love Hazrat Muhammad Salullah Ho Alehe E Wasalam more then any thing any relation any existence, and you people are actually playing with our this love and faith and you are paying the cost of it.I hope I made my self clear for you.I hope ALLAH give us courage to demonstrate the truth without hesitation.ALLAH help us all including you.
saleem Apr 19, 2012 12:16pm
slaam, realy you done a great job. But they are closed eyes people how can they see? God bless you and everyone who speak against the injustice of our Govt.and Mulla's,
El Cid Apr 19, 2012 12:20pm
I can not call myself a Christian if I do not belive in the divinity of Jesus Christ and refuse to take him as my savior. Or call myself a Hindu and believe not in the Hindu Trinity and their avatar gods. An apple is not an orange. A girl can not proclaim herself a boy. Or the Sun be called Moon. Or day be called night.This is simple logic that reduces error confusion and deceit - common sense too! Similarly those who challenge the Muslim Oath-Qualma and reword it in their own terms, can not by definition, be called Muslims. Doing so would be meaningless nonsense deceit and lies. For this fundamental reason Ahmadies can not be Muslims. NOT because of some governmental order or law. However when an Islamic Government lawfully by consensus declares a sect non-Muslim...than that sect becomes a minority - Dimmies. Ironically they then come under the direct protection of Muslims and Islamic law by Allah's command...they even become exempt from man made Blasphemy Laws and Muslim taxes or compulsory military service that can be applied only on Muslims.
A. Khan Apr 19, 2012 12:42pm
Ahmadis produce a reaction from Muslims only when they defy the Constitution of Pakistan and insist on being a Muslim sect. But some facts regarding Chanab Nagar. Chanab Nagar is a Ahmadiyya controlled city. Ahmadiyya police patrols it. Regular Punjab police exercises no jurisdiction whatsoever. I personally found this out when an Ahmadi reverted to Islam, and Chanab Nagar police (i.e., Ahmadiyya police) refused to provide him any protection from the threatening Ahmadi relatives. As far as marginalization, that claim is not quite correct. You can find Ahmadis, male as well as females, regularly working as school teachers, bankers, in the Pakistan Military, diplomats. Normally, when Ahmadis leave a job, they request a letter from their employer that may be used for settling somewhere in Europe. Such impunity is not enjoyed by any other non-Muslim minority.
Saad Apr 19, 2012 03:30pm
The problem with certain people commenting on this blog is that they are not condemning an Act of violence but rather a religious philosophy which is not under discussion anyways. You just don't go about killing people if you do not agree with them. This is called Tolerance, Respect all religions, race, creeds and ideologies. This will only make you better human beings, if thats not asking too much from you people.
Ruhan Nasir Apr 19, 2012 03:58pm
Dear A Khan, I am baffled by your reasoning and rationalising of things. First of all Constituent of Pakistan is not above Quran and Hadith. So get your facts right, either have one yard stick for judging people muslims or the other but stick with one!!! I suggest that you read definitions of a Muslim in Hadith and Quran rather than quoting the laws of Pakistan. No Assembly has a right to announce any one muslim or non muslim. Ahmedis also believe in one Allah, Holy Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as seal of prophets, angels, Hajj, pray 5 daily prayers, pay Zakat and doing that no one can announce them non muslims! Yes they believe in Mahdi as well, now you should ask your Mullahs about Mahdi rather than declaring others non muslims. Faiza thanks for another superb article. At least your writings are starting some debates which is vital for any liberal society to have. Many thanks for the effort salam Ruhan
sanam Apr 19, 2012 04:52pm
this is the time to become sacular nation in the world becouse pakistan have every color on earth, everybody have right to perform his or her riligion,cheers
Laeeq,NY Apr 19, 2012 05:21pm
I wish you had gone through this then I will ask you your feeling?
Laeeq,NY Apr 19, 2012 05:30pm
Food for thought? This is the example of a brain washed Pakistani.
Laeeq,NY Apr 19, 2012 05:33pm
Is there doubt?
raika45 Apr 19, 2012 06:17pm
A very small percentage of your people are involved in this religious mayhem.I am sure a large majority have the view of peace and tolerance.The problem is that this trouble this minority cause is shown world wide.That gives your nation a bad name.You need some group to show the more humane side of Pakistan.A few thousand bad people should not be allowed to overwhelm the rest.The question is, do you have the guts and the will power?Or are you just going to sit and whinge.
Concerned Netizen Apr 19, 2012 06:58pm
I can see the amount of friction, tension and division religion can bring. Just reading some of the comments here can give you an idea of what I said in the earlier sentence.
solomon2 Apr 19, 2012 06:59pm
Eliminating the Ahmadis from Pakistan won't eliminate sectarian hatred. Some other group will be burdened with the mantle of hate instead and their populace will be subject to holy murder and robbery in turn. Why can everyone be sure this will happen? Because even with the Ahmadis gone the twisted and murderous values which oppressed them will remain in the Pakistani populace.
Razia Apr 19, 2012 08:14pm
Who the heck are you to react when someone insists they are Muslim or any other religion? No piece of document can tell me which religion I belong to or not. Stay out of the other people's business. You say, "Such impunity is not enjoyed by any other non-Muslim minority." You think having to flee the country of your birth is enjoyable? See if you can live like a Ahmadi, Hindu, or Christian for a few days in Pakistan. Then, you will find fleeing a necessity.
Razia Apr 19, 2012 08:17pm
"Minorities under the protection of Muslims"? Ironic, indeed.
PARDESI Apr 19, 2012 08:36pm
I am not sure if the Ahmadis are cutting the roots I think we ourselves are doing so by being intolerant to any one or every one who just fails to think like me(us/sect) Sunnis killing Shia's, sufi's being bombed dargah's being bombed. Learn to live in peace. God has not delegated the divine power to us so called Muslims to declare people Kafir, Jehanmi and so on. We are not doing anything glorious but ensuring our roots are so weak that we become subjugated by the people/country who wishes to take advantage of this silly attitude.
sridhar Apr 19, 2012 09:07pm
really a touching article and expect such series of article to make Pakistan majority people show least tolrance towards their own minorities. sridhar
sridhar Apr 19, 2012 09:10pm
really a touching arsticle and expect many more to make Pakistan majority community show least tolerance towards their minorities
sf Apr 19, 2012 09:31pm
There are various sects in Islam and to segregate one sect or community and call them nonmuslim because some politician felt like doing it. They are Muslims just like people belonging to other sects who call themselves Muslims.
muzjee Apr 19, 2012 09:31pm
It is great that we are seeing such articles in the mainstream English newspapers of Pakistan. I never thought it will happen in my life time. I hope I will see the same happening in the main stream Urdu newspapers soon. That will be a real sign that Pakistan can become a great country.
wanderer Apr 19, 2012 10:59pm
I think the DAWN has already paid heavy price for it's stance of FREEDOM OF SPEECH but that is what makes it leagues ahead of other english news papers. Now it has become a symbol of awareness and high government officials and multi national institutions executives like to see online news and the paper itself. Already, the minorities cause has been highlighted amply and i being muslim appricate the balance with which it is reported in lines..DAWN keep up good work.
Haseeb Apr 19, 2012 11:04pm
According to the constitution of pakistan fundamental rights of all citizens shall be granted by state,no one above the law,but according to the pakistan penal code any ahmadi,lahoree group can not preech(such as call himself muslim,mosque,azaan same as muslim etc) his religion.if he do so he shall be a punisable.concern authority look into the matter and decide case on person shall not take law in own hand,being a follower of islam we must gave respect them only to change them with our positive attitute.
Aimal Apr 19, 2012 11:23pm
Well said Saad.
Adeel Furqan Apr 22, 2012 08:01pm
It's true. We hope one day we will see a Happy and progressive Pakistan
asad Apr 23, 2012 09:32am
Sad, really sad. I dont understand why people cant leave other peoples beliefs alone. We are an Islamic nation but we must first be kind to each other and living without condition to even qualify to be muslim.
Adeel Furqan Apr 20, 2012 02:33pm
First of all i really would like to appreciate the Dawn news that it allowed Ahmadiees to write by their behalf's. Article was very informative so the innocent Pakistani people and Govt may know that what they are doing with human of Pakistan. So tell me how Pakistan can do progress if such kind of situations are being created in to educational institutes. I pray to God that please make our Pakistan such a Islamic country. Where every human would be having same chance and ground to win and compete for the progress of Pakistan.
commentator Apr 23, 2012 09:26am
What a sad state of affairs
Ahmed MJ Apr 20, 2012 06:21pm
my friend who told you that they change their kalima??? Plus then if you love law so much, then why do you shout and cry when the government of France bans scarves, thier country their right!!!!!!!!! And also who among the 72 sects is muslim???? You call every other a disbleliever yet due to political gain you become hypocrites??? Who gave you the authority to humiliate any ones religious figure when you cry when the same is done elsewhere with you??? Hypocrisy is evident, you cant hide it.
Shurahbeel Apr 20, 2012 08:20pm
They have been declared Non-Muslims by the People of Knowledge not by some politicians after having a deep analysis of their believes. And now they have been declared as Non-Muslims. However, the rights of Minority must not be violated.
Mo Apr 20, 2012 09:09pm
Progressive countries are never built on religion.
Truth Seeker Apr 20, 2012 09:24pm
Do you have idea what you are claiming. Last month the government Police torture one Ahmadi teacher to death. Have you ever visited the place. Please stop reading the cheap newspapers with yellow journalism.
hasan fatyana Apr 23, 2012 11:35am
Interesting to read that "refuse to trade, dine and even sit with them". An excellent example of double standard and dubious face. All the human beings are equal in front of ALLAH.
imran Apr 23, 2012 11:29am
sad and shameful,calling a democratic country and doing such things..............forgotten what quaid e azam said every one is free to worship according to his will and belief,
Allah is our securit Apr 21, 2012 11:59am
Oh lord!Save us from this victimisation
HAMMAD BUTT Apr 23, 2012 10:49am
Thanx Faiza for your daring effort!!! Lets hope for the best and pray for our nation, may Allah purify their hearts!
az Apr 22, 2012 05:52am
A very good article and written very bravely, when we all know how hard it is to speak the truth in Pakistan. This has been going on for years and years now. I wonder when the Pakistani ppl are going to realize this, that all this taking Pakistan towards destruction and not progress. There are so many Ahadiz which show, that when somebody used to declare themselves Muslims, he would be accepted as a Muslim by Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) and his companions, On one occasion, when one of his companion killed a person who claimed to be Muslim, he was very upset and also said how do u know he was saying this to protect himself, did u cut open his chest and found out? whether he was Muslim or not? These Mullas just read what benefits them, and use that to instigate trouble.
Abdulraheem I. O. Apr 22, 2012 09:43am
May Allah softening their heart to accept the truth.
shaheryar khan Apr 23, 2012 05:26pm
this is a reason of failure of pakistan ...
fareed Apr 30, 2012 09:09am
very gud article....God Bless U !
hfz Apr 24, 2012 05:52am
good effort faiza sahiba.
muzzafar Ahmad Apr 24, 2012 06:10am
nice article. we should follow the Quaid-e-Azam principles.
Farrukh Ahmad Apr 24, 2012 06:18am
Implementation of law is the second stage but we have not yet been successful in making the laws which are not biased, which is the first stage.
Asim Apr 24, 2012 06:24am
very well article, jazkaAllah
Ibrahim May 08, 2012 03:00pm
Keep up the good work! Well done.