Pakistan will grant consular access to Indian spy Jadhav: FO
The Foreign Office (FO) on Thursday announced that Pakistan will grant consular access to Indian spy Kulbushan Jadhav.
"As a responsible state, Pakistan will grant consular access to Commander Kulbushan Jadhav according to Pakistani laws, for which modalities are being worked out," a press release issued by the FO read.
Timeline: How the Kulbhushan Jadhav saga unfolded
According to the statement, the decision was made in pursuant to the verdict of the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
"Commander Kulbushan Jadhav has been informed of his rights under Article 36, paragraph 1(b) of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations," the FO added.
In its verdict, the ICJ had ruled that Jadhav be allowed consular access immediately and asked Pakistan to ensure “effective review and reconsideration of his conviction and sentences”.
The ICJ, however, had rejected all other remedies sought by India, which included the annulment of the military court decision convicting Jadhav, restricting Pakistan from executing the sentence, securing Jadhav's release and ordering his return to India.
In a post shared on Twitter earlier in the day, Prime Minister Imran Khan had said: "Appreciate ICJ’s decision not to acquit, release & return Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav to India."
"He is guilty of crimes against the people of Pakistan. Pakistan shall proceed further as per law," the premier had added.
Case background
Jadhav — a serving commander of the Indian Navy associated with Indian spy agency Research and Analysis Wing — was arrested on March 3, 2016, from Balochistan on allegations of espionage and terrorism.
In his subsequent trial at a military court, Jadhav had confessed to his involvement in terrorist plots.
The spy was subsequently sentenced to death in 2017. However, India insisted that Jadhav was not a spy and said he was kidnapped from Iran.
On April 10, 2017, Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa had endorsed the death penalty for Jadhav. In June 2017, the Indian spy had filed a mercy petition against the death penalty, in which he again confessed to his involvement in terrorist activities.
However, before Pakistani authorities could make a final decision, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), after being approached by India, had ordered a stay in his execution through an interim order.
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Pakistan must grant the counsellor to access to Kulbhushan with foolproof arrangements..
But you won !! Why ??
Yes , please give him consular access and an open trail. Let the world see how Indian agencies support terrorism through BLA and other groups inside Pakistan. Then proceed with the punishment if he is found guilty ( which he most likely is). Pakistan should be ready to play the long game.
Do Pakistanis get dizzy from the amount of spin in their media everyday?
Out of self proclaimed large heartedness I guess !!
This practically means India won.
This is all India has been asking for a long time. Pakistan could have saved its face at ICJ
That's all they'll get. He will be resentenced to death in a military court in accordance with the Vienna convention. I wonder when the sentence comes, how will India spin it as a victory?
Responsible step or ICJ order
Pakistan must understand, punishing yadav ji is not solution, they have to release sooner or after
The main verdict is in 42 pages, if there is no patience to go through 42 pages, they should go through 7-pages press release, where every point is in India’s favour,
Granting consular access will further open the case and activities of Indian terrorist to the world.it's a good move and would prove a blessing in disguise as now whole world would witness Indian involvement in regional terrorism.
in exchange for what?
His sentence should be turned into life. Remember, if he's executed, Pakistani spies on the Indian side may see the same fate.
Spying is now a fact of international affairs / relations and even the closest of allies, like US & Israel, US & UK, etc spy on each other. When spies are caught, they are quietly exchanged / returned without creating so much fuss and noise. Watch the movie 'A Bridge of Spies' starring Tom Hanks. It is the countries who indulge in spying and are at fault and not the poor individuals who are just following orders and a sense of patriotism drilled into them.
So India and Pakistan should simply follow suit and quuietly return / exchange each others' spies when caught instead of indulging in international tamashaa. Unless, that spy is wanted for crimes other than espionage, like robbery, murder, rape, etc.
Prosecuting and punishing one spy from any country for spying, will not prevent that country from sending spies in the future.
Plead Pakistan to conduct the trial in public and expose the terrorism by India.
Providing counselor access, means that the world will get to know how India supports state terrorism. First it was only Jadhav being convicted, now it is the whole of India being convicted. This is getting more interesting everyday.
@Combaticus, pakistan has no proof against kulbhushan..Long back accepted by pakistan minister.
@Aftab khan, It it is good move then why you were not allowing consular access first instance.
Mr jadhav is innocent.
@theRealSalaria, also 40 crore pakistani rupees which they paid to their lawyer.
@Imran A., then why did you guys not think to grant access earlier
@TrueFacts, do u have any military court ad of now?
This is all India demand... He will be realese soon.
Love how Indians would buy anything from their media! Is he going to be released? no. Has he been proven innocent? NO, is he going to escape the punishment? NO. So to all Indian, celebrate your so called “victory” while he gets punished in Pakistan for his crime. What a joke you guys are
@Aftab khan, so why u dint do before itself?
Big win by India..
@GK, but please dont hire arshad malik as ur judge
@GK, There will never be a public trial there is no proof against him
@TrueFacts, firstly India has long been asking for counselor access. Pakistan's stand was since KJ is spy and hence counsellor access won't be given. Now, ICJ ruled in favour of counselor access, that means Pakistan cannot deny the basic rights and ICJ is not fully presented evidence to prove KJ is a spy. Secondly, death sentence was not accepted and Pakistan was asked to review the trial. If death sentence is valid on evidence, ICJ would have only asked for mercy to convert the verdict to life sentence.
Had India not taken it to ICJ, Kubushan might have been given jail term rather than execution but India spoiled its own case.
'On April 10, 2017, Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa had endorsed the death penalty for Jadhav. In June 2017, the Indian spy had filed a mercy petition against the death penalty, in which he again confessed to his involvement in terrorist activities.'
Finally after being commanded by ICJ
Have 100 cameras and audios in a very small room when Indian embassy guy comes to meet. And have two way mirrors all round.
Stop living this lie let him go
@Combaticus,
Pakistan had a great chance to use ICJ as a platform and present evidence. Yet all it produced was a passport.
@The Joker, Spying may be a norm but this is a state sponsored terrorist. His activities have cost hundreds of innocent lives.
Time to have a transparent retrial
@Syv, why you are twisting the facts, there is nothing change except he is given access to a counselor. Please tell me what else is changed? The fact is he is still captured by the PAK army, Pakistani law will decide his fate. Look if he has done bad deeds he must be punished! It is time to grow up!
@Dr. Rafiq Khan, “in exchange for what?”
No exchange. ICJ has ordered this.
@M.Saeed What do you mean by foolproof arrangements? He will be allowed to meet the consulate in privacy as per requirements of Vienna convention.
Doesn’t have a choice now as India won the ruling
@The Joker, understand but the situation is different here, he is responsible of killing many Pakistani. According to Pakistani law he should received death penalty, nothing less!
if they had done that before lot of money could have been saved in icj
remove the confessional video made under duress and poof alll proof vanishes
@Shubs, Not as much as Indians do from their media.
Time to carry out sentence in accordance with Pakistani law.
@TrueFacts, "That's all they'll get. He will be resentenced to death in a military court in accordance with the Vienna convention. I wonder when the sentence comes, how will India spin it as a victory?"
It looks that you predetermine everything even without looking at all the facts. That's why you will now have to pay almost $6 billion to the mining company as compensation and PCB had to pay legal fees of BCCI lawyers when you dragged them to court. Hanging Jadhav is easier said than done. It was the case before and it is case now.
@Syv, Some need to grow up
@Shubs, No, but we do get to celebrate our media for brining us the truth, unlike the Indian media
@Shubs, I think you should pose this question internally i.e. to Indians. Its better suited there!
Pakistan will grant consular access to Indian spy Jadhav as mandated by the court.
Had Pakistan any tangible evidence against Jadhav, it would have for sure tried him in a civilian court under glare of media but instead it chose a military court with no transparency. The moment they released confessional videos in public, it was clear to everyone that it is an exercise to please domestic audience. No where in the world such videos are released by Govt handling sensitive cases which are in courts. I don't even understand why no one in Pakistan dared to challenge the immaturity of using confessions while in custody while convicting him and sentence him to death. No one also questioned that if he is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan happening all over, why no accomplice has been caught ? No one asked a question why terror attacks still continued even after his arrest? Now this trial will be watched closely and Pakistan's judicial environment and system will also be visible.
Probably his death sentence will be converted to life in prinson. He will serve about 5 to 10 years and then released just like other spies were released.
The court has ruled 15 to 1 against Pakistan, on most points.
The Court finds that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, in the matter of the detention and trial of an Indian national, Mr. Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav, has acted in breach of the obligations incumbent on it under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
@Aftab khan, : Did you have to spend lot o $$ and time to go to ICJ? You could've given consular access in the first place if you believe what you wrote.
Well. Does it matter?. Indians heard the news of his death sentence on news. Now, their "counselor" will hear it live
@GK, “Plead Pakistan to conduct the trial in public and expose the terrorism by India.” Why do you think consular access and legal representation was denied to Jadhav fir 3 years? Why do you think an open trial was not conducted earlier the way India did with Kasab? Why is India demanding consular access and right to defend Jadhav?
@Shubs, I think you have better spinners in your media I guess, who instead of spinning, a lot of times completely change the story so enjoy.
According to Vienna convention spies don't get consular access. The court allowed the access that mean court didn't accepted the spy claim. Court wants review about his conviction means he being not a spy he should be tried in our legal court. ICJ suspended his death sentence. Our people misread ICJ.
It is ok to grant access to the consular but keep an eye on him.
@M. Saeed, while the Indian staff intimidate his family. Reveal his crimes and burn the Indian story to the ground.
@The Joker, Kulbhushan I don’t know whether he’s a spy or not was arrested and presented on media to score political points. If Pakistan did not dig a hole, it would have been possible to quietly release him. After all any Pakistani spy caught or made to defect by India will meet the same fate.
In the US, if the police arrest you without reading the Miranda Rights, then the courts will have to release you immediately. The Vienna Convention is something similar and Pakistan did not advise Jhadav of his rights during his arrest in 2016 and for all technical purposes and by law need to release Jhadav immediately.
@Syv,
India wants Jadhav free. But didn't happen. Therefore Pakistan won.
@Shubs, We are from it and not act like you, not take any thing hands down from our politicians or the government like RSS hate Pakistan propaganda which is in full throttle. Read comment in Indian media and if you have any sense it should make anybody dizzy?
Final awakening. But whey so late. Could have avoided ICJ long back instead of getting orders to do so. Having problem reading Vienna Convention rules.
Could it not been granted earlier?
@Imran A., Where were so wiseness earlier?
why u agree only after international court verdict?
Well done Pakistan consular access will further expose the Indian barbarism. ICJ rejected Indian demand of release return acquittal of Jadhav. Indians probably haven’t read the report. Suspension of the sentence is not stopping it. They have asked Pakistan to review and reconsider the decision according to the law of Pakistan not ICJ. Your media is making star plus drama news
@eyes ears open, unfortunately, they don't know to read. Government takes advantage of this and does propaganda. Same thing happens in North Korea.
for those who are confused court did not say the punishment is unfair. Court said he was treated poorly but the judgement is still standing. He will get counsellor access but doesnt mean his judgement will change. India only won based on human rights. India did not prove that he is innocent and must be released.
ICJ verdict be followed in letter & spirit. Recently Pak opened the sky for Indian flights, the trade is OK, the TAPI is progress, the Afghan transit trade with India is going to open soon. Others irritants be tackled one by one. Let’s be optimistic and positive.
Had Pakistan accepted India's request and granted consular access Pakistan would have saved Millions of Dollars it spent on contesting the case at the ICJ.
@Shubs, Yes but not like Indian media not there yet
India will demand a CIvilian trial. Folks the case has been decided, India doesnt take years to decide yhey just hang them at Dehli Fort
@Syv, But he will be remain in Pakistan.s custody
Wasn't this the ONLY thing India had been demanding ever since Kulbhushan was arrested?
@Respected Indian, So he come to watch cricket match in Pakistan without visa?
@Syv, has he landed?
@M. Saeed, absolutely no keep crying
@Dr. Rafiq Khan, Nothing.
@Combaticus, "Yes , please give him consular access and an open trail. Let the world see how Indian agencies support terrorism... " But first apologise for not respecting the Geneva Convention decisions. Conduct the trial transparently and see what happens.
@Imran A., In fact the world will now know the truth about his arrest and conviction which is likley to be far from what has been claimed so far.
nothing will happen to him. planted evidences are not going to work this time.
If Pakistan was doing everything right, why ICJ forced to do this. If the access was granted in the first place, there was no need for ICJ intervention. Now on the top pakistan has to review his sentencing in an "effective manner", which essentially means the original trial was not as per the law and just short of annuling original trial.
India will prove he is a retired Navy officer then consular will tell the real story about him to the world.
Why does the government need to say “As a responsible state” when acting as per law? If you are, act! True responsible states dont have to say.World knows it.
@TrueFacts, Why conclude so fast! Dont believe in independance of your justice system?
@The Joker,rightly said ....but wrongly named you are not the joker....;)
Big diplomatic win for India
What do you mean by "Pakistan will grant.."? It should be "Pakistan will have (forced) to grant...by order of ICJ"
@Combaticus, if you can't play a long game... and still ask for it is like self conviction......
@Imran A., "Providing counselor access, means that the world will get to know how India supports state terrorism. "
Or it will tell the world that there is no actionable evidence.
@Respected Indian, That is not correct. There is a trail of his activities inside Pakistan and recording of his telephone conversations which lead to his arrest. What was a serving Indian officer doing in Baluchistan ? The spin by Indian media is dramatic - he was kidnapped from Iran? Please give me a break ! Any country will try to shift the blame when caught red handed. ICJ turned down the demand by India to release him and annul his execution verdict ( they only gave him a stay and asked for a review). His case will be re-access as per Pakistani law and in a military court. Even civilian Pakistanis have been punished in military courts - there is a constitutional amendment. So why India thinks Jadhav case will be sent to a civilian court given the extreme nature of charges against him? To summarize - don't start planning Jadhav welcome party, he is going to stay in Pakistan for a long time. The best you can hope for is we won't hang him for killing Pakistani nationals.
One mans life can do enormously damage a countries life(wel being, water treaty....etc)......
Follow icj verdict.
This just to show to Trump.
@Respected Indian, Do you have proof of his innocence ?
"As a responsible state, Pakistan will grant consular access to Commander Kulbushan Jadhav according to Pakistani laws, for which modalities are being worked out," India has been asking for it since many years, was Pakistan not a responsible state then?
Do you have proof of innocence ?
The decisions of ICJ have wrongly stated by Pakistani media and PM to their people just to hide from shame...but it is also a content of ICJ.
@Aftab khan, He was captured from Iran and passport which pak is showing forged by pak millitary thats the thing which india will show
@Imran A., not a single proof of terrorism produced in court
@The Joker, hope you agree that every case has its own considerations. A spy collecting some information cannot be treated like one instigating violence that leads to murder of countless innocent people.
Unconditional release of Kulbhushan Jadhav by Pakistan without any precondition will only add to its credibility internationally.
Pakistan has been hailing ICJ verdict as a victory for Pakistan. It is interesting to note that one ICJ judge who was a Pakistani dissented. If the verdict was in favour of Pakistan, why did he dissent? Also, the actions required by the verdict were all to be done by Pakistan as to stay on the death sentence, a proper retrial, proper Consular access to Jadhav etc. Only request by India that was denied was to free Jadhav, which was in reality not expected to be granted anyway. So, it is not a victory for Pakistan by any stretch of imagination.
Do'nt call Mr. Jadhav yet a spy. Let all hear him speak without coercion and give a fair trial under civilian court with consular access. Apart from confession under duress if any evidence, proof exist, which seems to be non existent should be shared. Or alternatively Pakistan may offer a deal with India to trade with Col. Habib.
@Vivek Sharma, “Pakistan must understand, punishing yadav ji is not solution, they have to release sooner or after”
Until unless he is a Fisherman, or some one who walks the cattle close to the border, he is not going back home. He is the high profile terrorist with blood on his hands. I have seen dead bodies of kids on the streets of Karachi and highways of Balochistan. He is not going anywhere brother. He is a Yadav, not a Raymond Davis that we cant keep him.
@The Joker, “Spying is now a fact of international affairs / relations and even the closest of allies, like US & Israel, US & UK, etc spy on each other. When spies are caught, they are quietly exchanged / returned without creating so much fuss and noise. Watch the movie 'A Bridge of Spies' starring Tom Hanks. It is the countries who indulge in spying and are at fault and not the poor individuals who are just following orders and a sense of patriotism drilled into them“
Spies of the cold war wont spread terrorism. Yadav did that exactly. He is not going any where. He's a Yadav not a Raymond Davis that we cant keep.
@Imran A., Then why didn't you give it earlier? That is all what our government asking before going to ICJ.
Let’s see if Iran will provide any evidence or will take anyone’s side during re-trial. It that happens that will be quite interesting.
@The Joker, Correct!
If India has owned him as spy from the beginning, there would not have been so fuss.
@Imran A., If that is your opinion that by providing access, the world will know of India's this and that, why did you not grant it earlier when India asked it in the first place ?
Or you had to pay the expenses ? As your government can not take a decision without wasting public money.
@Aftab khan, it could be other way round. Till now only we know what government of Pakistan and their agencies say which may not be whole truth. Any statement given by accuse in the captivity is not admissible in the court of law in any country including Pakistan unless it is supported by proof gathered by investigating agencies. Let Kulbhushan Jadhav put his points in court which may also be truth. If Pakistan have courage initiate Jadhav's case in the civilian court with full legal support to him arranged by the Indian consulate. The unfolding of real story is begin now.
@M.Azad, /Spying may be a norm but this is a state sponsored terrorist. His activities have cost hundreds of innocent lives/ that's your version of story. Let the world listen to him. If Pakistan have courage let his trial be done in the open civilian court with full legal support arranged by Indian consulate.
Does it mean that Pakistan was unaware of its law forgiving consular access so far, and now they will be finding out the laws for that?
Indian victory in ICJ is now visible!!!
The 'responsible state' had to be told by the ICJ. Stop giving a spin to the verdict. Many of India's demands might have been rejected. But court has clearly spelled that Pakistan failed to follow due process as per the laws.
@M&m, pl. see BBC report
Pakistan could have saved 20crore of lawyer fee if they hv done it earlier
This is what India was asking since the beginning. By refusing fair trial and counsular access, unnecessarily Pakistan invited international attention. Wasted huge money and time.
Thankyou so much .Pl also think of sending him back. India will definitely reciprocate with high profile equivalent exchange. Let this be the beginning of good will steps between these two warring nations.
So it took a good 3 years and an ICJ verdict for Pak Fo to realise what Article 36, paragraph 1(b) of the Vienna Convention.. and then they passed on the info to Kulbhusan...good lord..
@Aftab khan, I am afraid it will open you to charges of kidnapping and that is the reason the trial was conducted in a secret and non transparent manner. We will now see the fun.
Why the "responsible state" didn't do it before?
However, before Pakistani authorities could make a final decision, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), after being approached by India, had ordered a stay
What is final decision when execution has already been ordered
@M.Azad, Proofs are ot there as acknowledge by your minister aldo. Only speaking on tv channel won t work.
Another great win for India !!
@Karachi King, No, he has been arreseted by ISI and terrorist nexus from Iran.
@TrueFacts,
This case has to be tried in civil courts. That is why ICJ specifically mentioned Peshawar high court in the judgement as a precedent for setting aside military judgements based on malice.
Responsible state?
@M&m,
He is on the way to be released dear man. Pakistan has no other option.
@Lahori Kid,
If you want to know the truth listen to the judgement being read out. Then you will understand what hit Pakistan.
In the end Sri khulbhusan ji will be exchanged for col Habib!!!
Pakistan claims it is a victory for them. But ehe world media says its a setback for Pakistan. Whom to beleive
@TrueFacts,
There will be consequences. India still believes he is innocent.
@Syv, - then India shall ask for his release soon and court expenses as well
If he were really a spy-cum-terrorist, would India have gone to ICJ and allowed Pakistan to produce evidence of his activities to the world?
@M.Mian, providing proof of guilt lies with Pakistan. Per natural international laws, each is innocent TILL proven guilty.
The verdict went against Pakistan 15-1. Please read page no. 7 of the total 42 page judgement for better understanding about who won and who lost.
@Aftab khan, Why were u reluctant earlier if that is going to happen ?
@Nasir, Pls read Page no 7 of the verdict. You will be clear. What India asked and what we got is very clear.
WHY? Again u turn.
@Shubs, Do you?
Kulbhushan from hariyana india and now election in hariyana hence it's good move by india thereafter ???
Now You cant hang an innocent man, nor you can release him, another catch-22 for pakistani govt.
caught the tiger's tail. No escape.
How handsome he looks
@Changez Khan, "It is ok to grant access to the consular but keep an eye on him."
Pakistan is not doing any favor. It has been instructed by ICJ to do so. If the verdict says, you can keep an eye on him, you can .If it doesn't, then you can't.
Hope this time the kidnapped civilian will be freed soon if the judgment is fair unlike the PMLN case in pressure.
@TrueFacts, you already declared death penalty and said no access to Jadhav. Now you put on hold death penalty and giving access to Jadhav! If you had won, why this?
@Karachi King, He was kidnapped from Iran.
@Imran A., Then why were u not giving counsellor access before?.
@TrueFacts, It won't , all the forged proofs will be shattered in case which will be ultimately go to ICJ again since your retrial will be again questioned. You simply do not have any proofs to prove him what you want to.That's reason you went ahead to hang him.We know it's long drawn battle and with little hopes , but keep it in mind you will have pay it in big way as you will be economically drowned and completely isolated from the world.
But why now?
@point of view, They wont do it. and we all know why
@M.Mian, he has done nothing .So there is no chance to provide evidence..
@M.Mian, where was he abducted from?
So , whose victory is it ??
Of course you will what choice does pakistan have
Never forget over 2000 innocent Pakistani civilians lost their lives due to kubushan yadev state sponsored terrorism.
'"He is guilty of crimes against the people of Pakistan. Pakistan shall proceed further as per law," the premier had added.
@Syv, Because according to ICJ, after review Pakistan can still hang him, as per original decision.
@Aftab khan, How come your opinion suddenly changed after ICJ verdict?
@Balochis, OK, After Grant access, brief review and then carry on with execution. So what changed. Nothing.
@M&m, why Pakistan granted consular access "now" why not "2 years before" under Pakistan law as per this article ?
As usual an u turn, but so soon. The chest thumping proclamation of victory vanished in a day. If only, we, the Pakistan citizens had read even the 7 point / 7 pages of the order, would have understood the actual verdict. Now besides counsular accessible we have give him a lawyer of his choise and the case has to go for retrial.
@fairplay, if you could, you would have done so already. The case was in a non transparent trial for a reason. Cooked up pakistanis stories don't work in the real world
@Imran A., then why pakistan didn't provide from the start, sherlock? Are you guys for real this thick?
I believe India would take away him safely from the Pakistan during the next 2-3 years.
@M&m, i think the joke is on you.please have patience and see who gets exposed.
indians are dreaming again!!
@theRealSalaria, Exactly, you nailed it in the center brother.
@Nasir, If there is ANY evidence
Pakistan has to comply all instructions given by ICJ otherwise India will go to court again.
@M.Mian, Any proof of guilt?
@Adnan 3, Yes! 15 Judges supported Pakistan and 1 against! You won! 15-1
Pakistan becomes a responsible nation when it is cornered.
@M.Azad, where is the proof? Evidence please!
@munsaf, htey have reason to dream and to celebrate too!
Without question the merit of the case, why Pakistan was so ignorant that consular access has to be given in any case... and why did they deny it in first case.... Now with ICJ decision, case will be retried and so start over all again. Pakistan in international forums just becomes a laughing stock by their acts like these... cases or arbitration.
so it needed ICJ's intervention to make Pakistan realize that is a responsible state. What can I say!
@Zak, can you guys afford for 100 cams with the current state of economy
Confessing the crime in captivity of hostile country is not an achievement and can't be taken as evidence. Anybody you take and record statement the way you want, because everybody knows how captives are treated in hostile countries.
If pakistan ready for it earlier then it will save a lots of money spent on costly lawyer and this cases. By this millions of money forex can be increased.
Can't blame Pakistan. After all the ICJ ruling was in English and not Urdu.
Not will but have to.
It is not pakistan that is giving the access. It is the ICJ that has ordered pakistan to do so after denying it in the first place.
Welcome to the club and club-house of responsible failed-states.
@Zak if there is overwhelming evidence against why did court ask the sentence to be reviewed and ordered a retrial? Where are his accomplices ? where is the network which was used to harm civilians and cause large numbers of casualties? Are you saying that KJ is a superman and this everything on his own?
Indian Victory.....
Right decision. Demonstrates compliance to the International Court of Justice verdict; wise strategy. Will pay off in future international dealings.
@Shubs, No, they are used ot it.
The Consular Access should mean no presence of Pakistani officials when Indian officers are in conversation with Kulbhushan.
@M.Mian, The onus is always on the prosecution to prove the accused guilty. This is the law in 165 countries.
Millions of Pakistanis tax payers money was used for not to let India get consular access to Yadav. All went in drain.
Why cant Pakistan just ignore the ICJ verdict? Happens all the time.
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Pakistan must grant the counsellor to access to Kulbhushan with foolproof arrangements..
But you won !! Why ??
Yes , please give him consular access and an open trail. Let the world see how Indian agencies support terrorism through BLA and other groups inside Pakistan. Then proceed with the punishment if he is found guilty ( which he most likely is). Pakistan should be ready to play the long game.
Do Pakistanis get dizzy from the amount of spin in their media everyday?
Out of self proclaimed large heartedness I guess !!
This practically means India won.
This is all India has been asking for a long time. Pakistan could have saved its face at ICJ
That's all they'll get. He will be resentenced to death in a military court in accordance with the Vienna convention. I wonder when the sentence comes, how will India spin it as a victory?
Responsible step or ICJ order
Pakistan must understand, punishing yadav ji is not solution, they have to release sooner or after
The main verdict is in 42 pages, if there is no patience to go through 42 pages, they should go through 7-pages press release, where every point is in India’s favour,
Granting consular access will further open the case and activities of Indian terrorist to the world.it's a good move and would prove a blessing in disguise as now whole world would witness Indian involvement in regional terrorism.
in exchange for what?
His sentence should be turned into life. Remember, if he's executed, Pakistani spies on the Indian side may see the same fate.
Spying is now a fact of international affairs / relations and even the closest of allies, like US & Israel, US & UK, etc spy on each other. When spies are caught, they are quietly exchanged / returned without creating so much fuss and noise. Watch the movie 'A Bridge of Spies' starring Tom Hanks. It is the countries who indulge in spying and are at fault and not the poor individuals who are just following orders and a sense of patriotism drilled into them.
So India and Pakistan should simply follow suit and quuietly return / exchange each others' spies when caught instead of indulging in international tamashaa. Unless, that spy is wanted for crimes other than espionage, like robbery, murder, rape, etc.
Prosecuting and punishing one spy from any country for spying, will not prevent that country from sending spies in the future.
Plead Pakistan to conduct the trial in public and expose the terrorism by India.
Providing counselor access, means that the world will get to know how India supports state terrorism. First it was only Jadhav being convicted, now it is the whole of India being convicted. This is getting more interesting everyday.
@Combaticus, pakistan has no proof against kulbhushan..Long back accepted by pakistan minister.
@Aftab khan, It it is good move then why you were not allowing consular access first instance.
Mr jadhav is innocent.
@theRealSalaria, also 40 crore pakistani rupees which they paid to their lawyer.
@Imran A., then why did you guys not think to grant access earlier
@TrueFacts, do u have any military court ad of now?
This is all India demand... He will be realese soon.
Love how Indians would buy anything from their media! Is he going to be released? no. Has he been proven innocent? NO, is he going to escape the punishment? NO. So to all Indian, celebrate your so called “victory” while he gets punished in Pakistan for his crime. What a joke you guys are
@Aftab khan, so why u dint do before itself?
Big win by India..
@GK, but please dont hire arshad malik as ur judge
@GK, There will never be a public trial there is no proof against him
@TrueFacts, firstly India has long been asking for counselor access. Pakistan's stand was since KJ is spy and hence counsellor access won't be given. Now, ICJ ruled in favour of counselor access, that means Pakistan cannot deny the basic rights and ICJ is not fully presented evidence to prove KJ is a spy. Secondly, death sentence was not accepted and Pakistan was asked to review the trial. If death sentence is valid on evidence, ICJ would have only asked for mercy to convert the verdict to life sentence.
Had India not taken it to ICJ, Kubushan might have been given jail term rather than execution but India spoiled its own case.
'On April 10, 2017, Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa had endorsed the death penalty for Jadhav. In June 2017, the Indian spy had filed a mercy petition against the death penalty, in which he again confessed to his involvement in terrorist activities.'
Finally after being commanded by ICJ
Have 100 cameras and audios in a very small room when Indian embassy guy comes to meet. And have two way mirrors all round.
Stop living this lie let him go
@Combaticus,
Pakistan had a great chance to use ICJ as a platform and present evidence. Yet all it produced was a passport.
@The Joker, Spying may be a norm but this is a state sponsored terrorist. His activities have cost hundreds of innocent lives.
Time to have a transparent retrial
@Syv, why you are twisting the facts, there is nothing change except he is given access to a counselor. Please tell me what else is changed? The fact is he is still captured by the PAK army, Pakistani law will decide his fate. Look if he has done bad deeds he must be punished! It is time to grow up!
@Dr. Rafiq Khan, “in exchange for what?”
No exchange. ICJ has ordered this.
@M.Saeed What do you mean by foolproof arrangements? He will be allowed to meet the consulate in privacy as per requirements of Vienna convention.
Doesn’t have a choice now as India won the ruling
@The Joker, understand but the situation is different here, he is responsible of killing many Pakistani. According to Pakistani law he should received death penalty, nothing less!
if they had done that before lot of money could have been saved in icj
remove the confessional video made under duress and poof alll proof vanishes
@Shubs, Not as much as Indians do from their media.
Time to carry out sentence in accordance with Pakistani law.
@TrueFacts, "That's all they'll get. He will be resentenced to death in a military court in accordance with the Vienna convention. I wonder when the sentence comes, how will India spin it as a victory?"
It looks that you predetermine everything even without looking at all the facts. That's why you will now have to pay almost $6 billion to the mining company as compensation and PCB had to pay legal fees of BCCI lawyers when you dragged them to court. Hanging Jadhav is easier said than done. It was the case before and it is case now.
@Syv, Some need to grow up
@Shubs, No, but we do get to celebrate our media for brining us the truth, unlike the Indian media
@Shubs, I think you should pose this question internally i.e. to Indians. Its better suited there!
Pakistan will grant consular access to Indian spy Jadhav as mandated by the court.
Had Pakistan any tangible evidence against Jadhav, it would have for sure tried him in a civilian court under glare of media but instead it chose a military court with no transparency. The moment they released confessional videos in public, it was clear to everyone that it is an exercise to please domestic audience. No where in the world such videos are released by Govt handling sensitive cases which are in courts. I don't even understand why no one in Pakistan dared to challenge the immaturity of using confessions while in custody while convicting him and sentence him to death. No one also questioned that if he is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan happening all over, why no accomplice has been caught ? No one asked a question why terror attacks still continued even after his arrest? Now this trial will be watched closely and Pakistan's judicial environment and system will also be visible.
Probably his death sentence will be converted to life in prinson. He will serve about 5 to 10 years and then released just like other spies were released.
The court has ruled 15 to 1 against Pakistan, on most points.
The Court finds that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, in the matter of the detention and trial of an Indian national, Mr. Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav, has acted in breach of the obligations incumbent on it under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
@Aftab khan, : Did you have to spend lot o $$ and time to go to ICJ? You could've given consular access in the first place if you believe what you wrote.
Well. Does it matter?. Indians heard the news of his death sentence on news. Now, their "counselor" will hear it live
@GK, “Plead Pakistan to conduct the trial in public and expose the terrorism by India.” Why do you think consular access and legal representation was denied to Jadhav fir 3 years? Why do you think an open trial was not conducted earlier the way India did with Kasab? Why is India demanding consular access and right to defend Jadhav?
@Shubs, I think you have better spinners in your media I guess, who instead of spinning, a lot of times completely change the story so enjoy.
According to Vienna convention spies don't get consular access. The court allowed the access that mean court didn't accepted the spy claim. Court wants review about his conviction means he being not a spy he should be tried in our legal court. ICJ suspended his death sentence. Our people misread ICJ.
It is ok to grant access to the consular but keep an eye on him.
@M. Saeed, while the Indian staff intimidate his family. Reveal his crimes and burn the Indian story to the ground.
@The Joker, Kulbhushan I don’t know whether he’s a spy or not was arrested and presented on media to score political points. If Pakistan did not dig a hole, it would have been possible to quietly release him. After all any Pakistani spy caught or made to defect by India will meet the same fate.
In the US, if the police arrest you without reading the Miranda Rights, then the courts will have to release you immediately. The Vienna Convention is something similar and Pakistan did not advise Jhadav of his rights during his arrest in 2016 and for all technical purposes and by law need to release Jhadav immediately.
@Syv,
India wants Jadhav free. But didn't happen. Therefore Pakistan won.
@Shubs, We are from it and not act like you, not take any thing hands down from our politicians or the government like RSS hate Pakistan propaganda which is in full throttle. Read comment in Indian media and if you have any sense it should make anybody dizzy?
Final awakening. But whey so late. Could have avoided ICJ long back instead of getting orders to do so. Having problem reading Vienna Convention rules.
Could it not been granted earlier?
@Imran A., Where were so wiseness earlier?
why u agree only after international court verdict?
Well done Pakistan consular access will further expose the Indian barbarism. ICJ rejected Indian demand of release return acquittal of Jadhav. Indians probably haven’t read the report. Suspension of the sentence is not stopping it. They have asked Pakistan to review and reconsider the decision according to the law of Pakistan not ICJ. Your media is making star plus drama news
@eyes ears open, unfortunately, they don't know to read. Government takes advantage of this and does propaganda. Same thing happens in North Korea.
for those who are confused court did not say the punishment is unfair. Court said he was treated poorly but the judgement is still standing. He will get counsellor access but doesnt mean his judgement will change. India only won based on human rights. India did not prove that he is innocent and must be released.
ICJ verdict be followed in letter & spirit. Recently Pak opened the sky for Indian flights, the trade is OK, the TAPI is progress, the Afghan transit trade with India is going to open soon. Others irritants be tackled one by one. Let’s be optimistic and positive.
Had Pakistan accepted India's request and granted consular access Pakistan would have saved Millions of Dollars it spent on contesting the case at the ICJ.
@Shubs, Yes but not like Indian media not there yet
India will demand a CIvilian trial. Folks the case has been decided, India doesnt take years to decide yhey just hang them at Dehli Fort
@Syv, But he will be remain in Pakistan.s custody
Wasn't this the ONLY thing India had been demanding ever since Kulbhushan was arrested?
@Respected Indian, So he come to watch cricket match in Pakistan without visa?
@Syv, has he landed?
@M. Saeed, absolutely no keep crying
@Dr. Rafiq Khan, Nothing.
@Combaticus, "Yes , please give him consular access and an open trail. Let the world see how Indian agencies support terrorism... " But first apologise for not respecting the Geneva Convention decisions. Conduct the trial transparently and see what happens.
@Imran A., In fact the world will now know the truth about his arrest and conviction which is likley to be far from what has been claimed so far.
nothing will happen to him. planted evidences are not going to work this time.
If Pakistan was doing everything right, why ICJ forced to do this. If the access was granted in the first place, there was no need for ICJ intervention. Now on the top pakistan has to review his sentencing in an "effective manner", which essentially means the original trial was not as per the law and just short of annuling original trial.
India will prove he is a retired Navy officer then consular will tell the real story about him to the world.
Why does the government need to say “As a responsible state” when acting as per law? If you are, act! True responsible states dont have to say.World knows it.
@TrueFacts, Why conclude so fast! Dont believe in independance of your justice system?
@The Joker,rightly said ....but wrongly named you are not the joker....;)
Big diplomatic win for India
What do you mean by "Pakistan will grant.."? It should be "Pakistan will have (forced) to grant...by order of ICJ"
@Combaticus, if you can't play a long game... and still ask for it is like self conviction......
@Imran A., "Providing counselor access, means that the world will get to know how India supports state terrorism. "
Or it will tell the world that there is no actionable evidence.
@Respected Indian, That is not correct. There is a trail of his activities inside Pakistan and recording of his telephone conversations which lead to his arrest. What was a serving Indian officer doing in Baluchistan ? The spin by Indian media is dramatic - he was kidnapped from Iran? Please give me a break ! Any country will try to shift the blame when caught red handed. ICJ turned down the demand by India to release him and annul his execution verdict ( they only gave him a stay and asked for a review). His case will be re-access as per Pakistani law and in a military court. Even civilian Pakistanis have been punished in military courts - there is a constitutional amendment. So why India thinks Jadhav case will be sent to a civilian court given the extreme nature of charges against him? To summarize - don't start planning Jadhav welcome party, he is going to stay in Pakistan for a long time. The best you can hope for is we won't hang him for killing Pakistani nationals.
One mans life can do enormously damage a countries life(wel being, water treaty....etc)......
Follow icj verdict.
This just to show to Trump.
@Respected Indian, Do you have proof of his innocence ?
"As a responsible state, Pakistan will grant consular access to Commander Kulbushan Jadhav according to Pakistani laws, for which modalities are being worked out," India has been asking for it since many years, was Pakistan not a responsible state then?
Do you have proof of innocence ?
The decisions of ICJ have wrongly stated by Pakistani media and PM to their people just to hide from shame...but it is also a content of ICJ.
@Aftab khan, He was captured from Iran and passport which pak is showing forged by pak millitary thats the thing which india will show
@Imran A., not a single proof of terrorism produced in court
@The Joker, hope you agree that every case has its own considerations. A spy collecting some information cannot be treated like one instigating violence that leads to murder of countless innocent people.
Unconditional release of Kulbhushan Jadhav by Pakistan without any precondition will only add to its credibility internationally.
Pakistan has been hailing ICJ verdict as a victory for Pakistan. It is interesting to note that one ICJ judge who was a Pakistani dissented. If the verdict was in favour of Pakistan, why did he dissent? Also, the actions required by the verdict were all to be done by Pakistan as to stay on the death sentence, a proper retrial, proper Consular access to Jadhav etc. Only request by India that was denied was to free Jadhav, which was in reality not expected to be granted anyway. So, it is not a victory for Pakistan by any stretch of imagination.
Do'nt call Mr. Jadhav yet a spy. Let all hear him speak without coercion and give a fair trial under civilian court with consular access. Apart from confession under duress if any evidence, proof exist, which seems to be non existent should be shared. Or alternatively Pakistan may offer a deal with India to trade with Col. Habib.
@Vivek Sharma, “Pakistan must understand, punishing yadav ji is not solution, they have to release sooner or after”
Until unless he is a Fisherman, or some one who walks the cattle close to the border, he is not going back home. He is the high profile terrorist with blood on his hands. I have seen dead bodies of kids on the streets of Karachi and highways of Balochistan. He is not going anywhere brother. He is a Yadav, not a Raymond Davis that we cant keep him.
@The Joker, “Spying is now a fact of international affairs / relations and even the closest of allies, like US & Israel, US & UK, etc spy on each other. When spies are caught, they are quietly exchanged / returned without creating so much fuss and noise. Watch the movie 'A Bridge of Spies' starring Tom Hanks. It is the countries who indulge in spying and are at fault and not the poor individuals who are just following orders and a sense of patriotism drilled into them“
Spies of the cold war wont spread terrorism. Yadav did that exactly. He is not going any where. He's a Yadav not a Raymond Davis that we cant keep.
@Imran A., Then why didn't you give it earlier? That is all what our government asking before going to ICJ.
Let’s see if Iran will provide any evidence or will take anyone’s side during re-trial. It that happens that will be quite interesting.
@The Joker, Correct!
If India has owned him as spy from the beginning, there would not have been so fuss.
@Imran A., If that is your opinion that by providing access, the world will know of India's this and that, why did you not grant it earlier when India asked it in the first place ?
Or you had to pay the expenses ? As your government can not take a decision without wasting public money.
@Aftab khan, it could be other way round. Till now only we know what government of Pakistan and their agencies say which may not be whole truth. Any statement given by accuse in the captivity is not admissible in the court of law in any country including Pakistan unless it is supported by proof gathered by investigating agencies. Let Kulbhushan Jadhav put his points in court which may also be truth. If Pakistan have courage initiate Jadhav's case in the civilian court with full legal support to him arranged by the Indian consulate. The unfolding of real story is begin now.
@M.Azad, /Spying may be a norm but this is a state sponsored terrorist. His activities have cost hundreds of innocent lives/ that's your version of story. Let the world listen to him. If Pakistan have courage let his trial be done in the open civilian court with full legal support arranged by Indian consulate.
Does it mean that Pakistan was unaware of its law forgiving consular access so far, and now they will be finding out the laws for that?
Indian victory in ICJ is now visible!!!
The 'responsible state' had to be told by the ICJ. Stop giving a spin to the verdict. Many of India's demands might have been rejected. But court has clearly spelled that Pakistan failed to follow due process as per the laws.
@M&m, pl. see BBC report
Pakistan could have saved 20crore of lawyer fee if they hv done it earlier
This is what India was asking since the beginning. By refusing fair trial and counsular access, unnecessarily Pakistan invited international attention. Wasted huge money and time.
Thankyou so much .Pl also think of sending him back. India will definitely reciprocate with high profile equivalent exchange. Let this be the beginning of good will steps between these two warring nations.
So it took a good 3 years and an ICJ verdict for Pak Fo to realise what Article 36, paragraph 1(b) of the Vienna Convention.. and then they passed on the info to Kulbhusan...good lord..
@Aftab khan, I am afraid it will open you to charges of kidnapping and that is the reason the trial was conducted in a secret and non transparent manner. We will now see the fun.
Why the "responsible state" didn't do it before?
However, before Pakistani authorities could make a final decision, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), after being approached by India, had ordered a stay
What is final decision when execution has already been ordered
@M.Azad, Proofs are ot there as acknowledge by your minister aldo. Only speaking on tv channel won t work.
Another great win for India !!
@Karachi King, No, he has been arreseted by ISI and terrorist nexus from Iran.
@TrueFacts,
This case has to be tried in civil courts. That is why ICJ specifically mentioned Peshawar high court in the judgement as a precedent for setting aside military judgements based on malice.
Responsible state?
@M&m,
He is on the way to be released dear man. Pakistan has no other option.
@Lahori Kid,
If you want to know the truth listen to the judgement being read out. Then you will understand what hit Pakistan.
In the end Sri khulbhusan ji will be exchanged for col Habib!!!
Pakistan claims it is a victory for them. But ehe world media says its a setback for Pakistan. Whom to beleive
@TrueFacts,
There will be consequences. India still believes he is innocent.
@Syv, - then India shall ask for his release soon and court expenses as well
If he were really a spy-cum-terrorist, would India have gone to ICJ and allowed Pakistan to produce evidence of his activities to the world?
@M.Mian, providing proof of guilt lies with Pakistan. Per natural international laws, each is innocent TILL proven guilty.
The verdict went against Pakistan 15-1. Please read page no. 7 of the total 42 page judgement for better understanding about who won and who lost.
@Aftab khan, Why were u reluctant earlier if that is going to happen ?
@Nasir, Pls read Page no 7 of the verdict. You will be clear. What India asked and what we got is very clear.
WHY? Again u turn.
@Shubs, Do you?
Kulbhushan from hariyana india and now election in hariyana hence it's good move by india thereafter ???
Now You cant hang an innocent man, nor you can release him, another catch-22 for pakistani govt.
caught the tiger's tail. No escape.
How handsome he looks
@Changez Khan, "It is ok to grant access to the consular but keep an eye on him."
Pakistan is not doing any favor. It has been instructed by ICJ to do so. If the verdict says, you can keep an eye on him, you can .If it doesn't, then you can't.
Hope this time the kidnapped civilian will be freed soon if the judgment is fair unlike the PMLN case in pressure.
@TrueFacts, you already declared death penalty and said no access to Jadhav. Now you put on hold death penalty and giving access to Jadhav! If you had won, why this?
@Karachi King, He was kidnapped from Iran.
@Imran A., Then why were u not giving counsellor access before?.
@TrueFacts, It won't , all the forged proofs will be shattered in case which will be ultimately go to ICJ again since your retrial will be again questioned. You simply do not have any proofs to prove him what you want to.That's reason you went ahead to hang him.We know it's long drawn battle and with little hopes , but keep it in mind you will have pay it in big way as you will be economically drowned and completely isolated from the world.
But why now?
@point of view, They wont do it. and we all know why
@M.Mian, he has done nothing .So there is no chance to provide evidence..
@M.Mian, where was he abducted from?
So , whose victory is it ??
Of course you will what choice does pakistan have
Never forget over 2000 innocent Pakistani civilians lost their lives due to kubushan yadev state sponsored terrorism.
'"He is guilty of crimes against the people of Pakistan. Pakistan shall proceed further as per law," the premier had added.
@Syv, Because according to ICJ, after review Pakistan can still hang him, as per original decision.
@Aftab khan, How come your opinion suddenly changed after ICJ verdict?
@Balochis, OK, After Grant access, brief review and then carry on with execution. So what changed. Nothing.
@M&m, why Pakistan granted consular access "now" why not "2 years before" under Pakistan law as per this article ?
As usual an u turn, but so soon. The chest thumping proclamation of victory vanished in a day. If only, we, the Pakistan citizens had read even the 7 point / 7 pages of the order, would have understood the actual verdict. Now besides counsular accessible we have give him a lawyer of his choise and the case has to go for retrial.
@fairplay, if you could, you would have done so already. The case was in a non transparent trial for a reason. Cooked up pakistanis stories don't work in the real world
@Imran A., then why pakistan didn't provide from the start, sherlock? Are you guys for real this thick?
I believe India would take away him safely from the Pakistan during the next 2-3 years.
@M&m, i think the joke is on you.please have patience and see who gets exposed.
indians are dreaming again!!
@theRealSalaria, Exactly, you nailed it in the center brother.
@Nasir, If there is ANY evidence
Pakistan has to comply all instructions given by ICJ otherwise India will go to court again.
@M.Mian, Any proof of guilt?
@Adnan 3, Yes! 15 Judges supported Pakistan and 1 against! You won! 15-1
Pakistan becomes a responsible nation when it is cornered.
@M.Azad, where is the proof? Evidence please!
@munsaf, htey have reason to dream and to celebrate too!
Without question the merit of the case, why Pakistan was so ignorant that consular access has to be given in any case... and why did they deny it in first case.... Now with ICJ decision, case will be retried and so start over all again. Pakistan in international forums just becomes a laughing stock by their acts like these... cases or arbitration.
so it needed ICJ's intervention to make Pakistan realize that is a responsible state. What can I say!
@Zak, can you guys afford for 100 cams with the current state of economy
Confessing the crime in captivity of hostile country is not an achievement and can't be taken as evidence. Anybody you take and record statement the way you want, because everybody knows how captives are treated in hostile countries.
If pakistan ready for it earlier then it will save a lots of money spent on costly lawyer and this cases. By this millions of money forex can be increased.
Can't blame Pakistan. After all the ICJ ruling was in English and not Urdu.
Not will but have to.
It is not pakistan that is giving the access. It is the ICJ that has ordered pakistan to do so after denying it in the first place.
Welcome to the club and club-house of responsible failed-states.
@Zak if there is overwhelming evidence against why did court ask the sentence to be reviewed and ordered a retrial? Where are his accomplices ? where is the network which was used to harm civilians and cause large numbers of casualties? Are you saying that KJ is a superman and this everything on his own?
Indian Victory.....
Right decision. Demonstrates compliance to the International Court of Justice verdict; wise strategy. Will pay off in future international dealings.
@Shubs, No, they are used ot it.
The Consular Access should mean no presence of Pakistani officials when Indian officers are in conversation with Kulbhushan.
@M.Mian, The onus is always on the prosecution to prove the accused guilty. This is the law in 165 countries.
Millions of Pakistanis tax payers money was used for not to let India get consular access to Yadav. All went in drain.
Why cant Pakistan just ignore the ICJ verdict? Happens all the time.