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China says willing to discuss 'possibilities' with India on nuclear group

Updated Oct 10, 2016 11:36am

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BEIJING: China is willing to discuss "possibilities" with India on its bid to become a fully fledged member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a senior Chinese diplomat said on Monday, holding out an olive branch ahead of a summit in India.

India last month said it had held "substantive" talks with China on its attempt to join the NSG, a 48-member grouping of countries that trades in civil nuclear technology.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is campaigning to join the NSG to back a multi-billion-dollar drive to build nuclear power plants in partnership with Russia, the United States and France, and reduce India's reliance on polluting fossil fuels.

Yet his bid to win accession to the group, founded in response to India's first atomic weapons test in 1974, has failed to win over strategic rival China, which enjoys a de facto veto because it operates by consensus.

Speaking to reporters ahead of a visit to India this week by Chinese President Xi Jinping for a summit of the BRICS group of emerging nations, Vice Foreign Minister Li Baodong said new NSG members needed to be agreed upon by all existing members.

"These rules were not set by China", Li said.

"On the issue of joining the NSG, China and India have all along had very good communications, and (China) is willing to have further communications with the Indian side, to increase consensus," he said.

"On this, China is willing to jointly explore all kinds of possibilities with India, but this must accord with the charter of the NSG, and certain rules need to be respected by all sides," Li said, without elaborating.

The nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) recognises the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council — the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France — as nuclear weapons powers but not others.

India has ruled out signing the NPT but says its track record of non-proliferation should entitle it to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group. India was granted an NSG waiver in 2008 that allows it to engage in nuclear commerce, but deprives it of a vote in the organisation's decision making.

Backers of India's NSG bid, who include the United States, hope a deal can be reached despite a setback at the group's annual meeting in Seoul in June.

Xi will also visit Bangladesh and Cambodia on his Asian trip.

The BRICS group of emerging nations include Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

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Comments (186) Closed



vin27 Oct 10, 2016 10:53am

crux is the Indian economy which is doing well. China knows it's importance. Dawn kudos. nice article.

nurul huda Oct 10, 2016 11:01am

India 's dream for joining elite group NSG is turning into reality day by day...

Awrang abdula Oct 10, 2016 11:00am

trust on india

SB Oct 10, 2016 11:05am

A very matured and logical approach .. Keeping emotion aside ..Thanks China

DSK Oct 10, 2016 11:02am

China is misusing it powers, It fears India would become more powerful economically and will loose its dominance in Asia.

SHIRISH SAWANT Oct 10, 2016 11:08am

china know in today worlds trade more important than friendship .

surya kant Oct 10, 2016 11:11am

India does not care for China sponsorship for NSG

Good Morning Oct 10, 2016 11:10am

Two powerful countries settling their matters, extremists watching helplessly..

Aditya Oct 10, 2016 11:14am

Both India and China are big players and small countries should avoid playing in between.

cannot ignore India Oct 10, 2016 11:16am

China too cannot ignore India for a long time. India is a raising power.

Dheeraj Oct 10, 2016 11:19am

Both the countries need each other gloably and economically.India thinks for today and China is thinking of tomarrow...

when Oct 10, 2016 11:18am

When will Pakistan get NSG membership?

A Shah Oct 10, 2016 11:19am

Two superpowers discussing as they should.

Dheeraj Oct 10, 2016 11:19am

Both buisnessman countries understand the need of each other....

Next Oct 10, 2016 11:21am

Next, India's goal is to be United Nations permanent member.

NaveedKhan Oct 10, 2016 11:22am

Safe use of nuclear technology is right of all law abiding countries.

unstoppable India Oct 10, 2016 11:25am

India is 'unstoppable' and its aims are high and it will reach its goals. India is 'On a roll'.

Tathagata Oct 10, 2016 11:34am

NSG membership is a lollypop that doesn't benefit any country. Nuclear Tech so far power production is concerned should be explored only when we don't have any better choice. That's because of accumulation of radiocative wastage. Whether we close our eyes by dumping them at some death, earth doesn't close her eyes.

Feroz Oct 10, 2016 11:32am

China and India both of whom have larger interests are not interested in being a part of any bloc. Neither China or India would like that to happen so they will keep making some adjustments that do not push either into becoming dependent on others.

Nasir Hameed Oct 10, 2016 11:32am

Can any of the over excited Indian care to figure out what China is asking in return? Perhaps Pakistan's simultaneous membership in NSG too? Remember this is negotiation.....give n take :)

Swetha Oct 10, 2016 11:38am

Offcourse who would not like to be part of billion dollar contracts? Russia and US are eager to build nuclear power plants if all goes well in NSG.Now Chinese business men eyeing the golden goose India.Japan signing civil nuclear deal and building bullet train.Singapore building Amravati capital in AP.More projects to come in future.

Faisal Oct 10, 2016 11:48am

Time to wake up Mr.nawaz sharif... need to focus on foreign policy... perhaps learn from the neighbors

Rajesh Oct 10, 2016 11:48am

China can't be trusted. They are wishy washy.

BK Oct 10, 2016 11:49am

China can't ignore Indian market. Moreover, the Tibetian issues, South China Sea issues etc. will makes lot of impact.

Mirror Oct 10, 2016 11:51am

India going in the elite club. Deal with it.

nick Oct 10, 2016 11:54am

India has to be part of NSG for any international (such as Paris) agreement on climate change mitigation to work. It is in global interest.

shami Oct 10, 2016 12:00pm

@when do we really need it ? Or we just want to have it coz india will get it

Farrukh Oct 10, 2016 11:58am

Still possibilities...!

naqeeb Oct 10, 2016 12:19pm

Good to know. Hope to see more and more cooperation. Lets make this world a peaceful world.

But USA will not be happy to see China close relations with India.

Ahmed bin Babar Oct 10, 2016 12:23pm

Don't get emotional, wait & see the whole bargain, Chine is a discreet power not hyped one like india...

Fauji Ghee Oct 10, 2016 12:27pm

China will not do anything to harm Pakistan

optimistic Oct 10, 2016 12:35pm

What will be the moral ground if India become NSG member without signing NPT?

suraj kumar Oct 10, 2016 12:42pm

@Fauji Ghee its happening bro

raka Oct 10, 2016 12:50pm

Nice article by Dawn

WiseAdvice Oct 10, 2016 01:00pm

Progress is the only mantra for all countries who wants to have better future.. And Progress is achieved only through better sense of purpose, trade and well being of their people.

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 01:11pm

On this, China is willing to jointly explore all kinds of possibilities with India, but this must accord with the charter of the NSG, and certain rules need to be respected by all sides," Li said, without elaborating. Am i the only one who thinks that this sentence means that China is clearly saying India to sign NPT if you want to become NSG member. At least I am not able to see any breakthrough or any substance as most of my Indian friends

Salim Khan Oct 10, 2016 02:03pm

With India growing fastest than any other country in the world including China and also India is going to be the future of the world along with USA and China, it has to Ultimately admit India into all the world groups. NSG or UNSC.

Salim Khan Oct 10, 2016 02:02pm

@Nasir Hameed Only China accepting Pakistan does not do anything. There are 47 other countries that need to accept and they don't. So chances of Pakistan getting into NSG is almost nil.

Raj kumar Oct 10, 2016 02:24pm

@Nomi Goraya we are also not seeing anything,but will wait for some time as we expect a positive result.

D.K. PAMNANI Oct 10, 2016 02:29pm

China is exporting its manufacturing to India. Business in Billions. China is thinking for his own interests. If india stop china's material to India, what will happen.

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 02:33pm

@Salim Khan Well you have right to think the way you like but reality and history is like this that from their creation to this point both Pakistan and India have exactly same status in all defense treaties and all International forums like UN, and all regional forums so this is very clear for me at least that either both Indian and Pakistan will member of NSG or none of them. This is at least what history is

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 02:38pm

@Raj kumar Sir why we as a region always try to get some waivers and helps to attain something like this NSG membership why India is not ready to fulfill the criterion for NSG by signing NPT so that India need not to ask help from countries like USA and China? What is harm in signing NPT when even bitter rival of India Pakistan is ready to sign it?

Suman Oct 10, 2016 03:05pm

@Nomi Goraya - Sir India has not signed the NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty), 1970 because: 1. ... Any other nation who wished to sign the NPT, had to do so as a Non-Nuclear Weapons State. India exploded its first nuclear device in 1974 - this implies that the only option by which India could sign the NPT is being a Non-Nuclear Weapons State and same is the case with Pakistan.

Khwarezmi Oct 10, 2016 03:05pm

This will be a test of Pakistan-China strategic alliance and PML-N government. It is against Pakistan's national interests to have India part of NSG with veto power (which will be used against Pakistani membership - guaranteed 200%).

WakeUpBeforeItsTooLate Oct 10, 2016 03:09pm

@Nomi Goraya You really have no clue of NPT.. do you? Go google it my friend.

One of the discriminatory things about NPT is it officially only recognizes the big 5 as Nuclear powers - even though both India and Pakistan as the world knows are Nuclear powers.

M. Ali, Pakistan Oct 10, 2016 03:14pm

Pakistan should and by all means must complete CPEC projects on time.

Farhan Oct 10, 2016 03:16pm

@Nomi, India is a part of BRICS! And Pakistan is not! So your history ain't correct bro!

Alok kumar Oct 10, 2016 03:17pm

@Nasir Hameed china is asking for indian market to boost its slowing economy and not for pakistan's NSG membership.

Muhammad Oct 10, 2016 03:24pm

@DSK "China is misusing it powers, It fears India would become more powerful economically and will loose its dominance in Asia" with the regressive cast system and obsolete customs and rituals India will never ever become a powerful country

Zik Oct 10, 2016 03:34pm

Kudos to the greatest democracy on getting closer to membership.

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 03:40pm

@Suman Well goal of NPT is for WORLD and its objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament. So by signing it any country will endorse that it will not use its nuclear technology to develop nuclear weapons and will work with the world to reduce the number of nuclear weapons. With the current number of nuclear war heads both India and Pakistan have it is high time to endorse NPT and focus all the attention to human development as both the countries have state of the art nuclear weapons and their delivery system but are lagging in human development. We are the two nuclear powers on the face of world with no electric power available to all the consumers.

ozzy Oct 10, 2016 03:41pm

@suraj kumar have u not learnt of not getting hyped over little things. Same sed befire nsg vote.

ozzy Oct 10, 2016 03:44pm

@Alok kumar are u sure

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 03:44pm

@Farhan well pointed when I was typing my comment this BRIC was in my mind and I was expecting that someone is going to point it. First of all BRIC is for B R I C and it is very nascent forum and after the plight of Brazil and Russia and slowing China I can wish all the best. Sir my point is still valid I did not say that we gained all things simultaneously like Nuclear explosions India did first but Pakistan managed to become Nuclear Power triggered by India latter so few years may pass but fate of Pakistan and India is coupled like their independence as both are twins

Biswajit Oct 10, 2016 03:48pm

@Nasir Hameed , nope... China will rather ask for India's support for their membership bid in the MTCR regime...

Achal Oct 10, 2016 03:49pm

China knew it very well that inclusion of India in Nsg just merely formality.. Because India already enjoying all the benefit since 2008 and so on and so forth...

Zulfiqar Oct 10, 2016 03:50pm

Advice to China, be careful from Modi led government. They will stab at you back.

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 03:51pm

@Zik Sir little correction India is called BIGGEST DEMOCRACY not the GREATEST DEMOCRACY there is quite a bit difference in two. India is biggest by sheer size and its population and since it is democracy so it becomes biggest democracy. The way minorities are dealt the way the cast system and the insurgencies across different states of India it will take a bit time to become REAL DEMOCRACY and then will start the journey of some GREATNESS. I wish for India but still it will take lot of time

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 03:52pm

@Achal Sir if it is just formality then why NSG is always echoed on all international forums with China sir reality is that it is USA which gave wavier to India and is supporting India bid for NSG but USA is not all the WORLD and India knows it

SNB Oct 10, 2016 03:55pm

@Nomi Goraya Agreed. We should not read too much into it. In all probability, hina is trying to create a congenial environment prior to BRICS summit

Harmony-1© Oct 10, 2016 03:55pm

@Nurul Huda - "India 's dream for joining elite group NSG is turning into reality day by day..."

A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world - Oscar Wilde

Harmony-1© Oct 10, 2016 03:59pm

@Zik – The 'greatest' deception men suffer is from their own opinions - Leonardo da Vinci

Essen Oct 10, 2016 03:59pm

Must stop the jingoistic nonsense on both sides. Why should people's wellbeing be a competition? Infantile. Should aspire for a day when people can travel freely between India Pakistan Afghanistan Nepal Bangladesh etc.

BRIS Oct 10, 2016 04:13pm

If China is opposed to India's entry to NSG then India has to come out of BRICS and start BRIS Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa.

Harmony-1© Oct 10, 2016 04:13pm

@Essen - Nice one...well said! jingoistic nonsense seems God given 'gift' when it comes to South Asians!

govind Oct 10, 2016 04:14pm

Its important China and India become friends for the whole of Asia. India should give whole hearted support to CPEC , a strong and political stable pakistan is needed in case peace if required between India and Pakistan . Further Pakistan should also permit India to use its land routes for trade with Central Asia. India, Pakistan and China make 50% of human population . Kashmir cant hold half of the world for ransom.

Rana Oct 10, 2016 04:22pm

@Faisal : The main reason for China's interest in discussion for India's entry into NSG is it recently has shown interest in building nuclear power plant in India.India may not allow Chinese nuclear plant in India due to safety reason but talks are happening in this regard.

Proud Indian Oct 10, 2016 04:26pm

@Nomi Goraya Well you should be doing some homework here I believe, for you know India is an Elite member of G-20 and BRICS for that matter ! India enjoys Civil Nuclear Deal with US, France and other members of NSG. When it comes to international forums India certainly receives a lot more limelight than Pakistan does.

M. Siddique Oct 10, 2016 04:35pm

It is good China and India are talking. Good sign for Pakistan because China will take Pakistan along and will ask India to make a trio in this campaign. And India will also campaign for Pakistan to join NSG. It will be great to see such a cooperation between three of most populated Asian countries.

Ajaya K Dutt Oct 10, 2016 04:36pm

@naqeeb "But USA will not be happy to see China close relations with India." USA was when Pakistan had closes relations with China.

ABC Oct 10, 2016 04:38pm

@Nomi Goraya India is Member of MTCR and G20 which Pak is not.

Harmony-1© Oct 10, 2016 04:39pm

@Proud Indian - “The infinitely little have a pride infinitely great” - Voltaire

pradjosh Oct 10, 2016 04:40pm

doors of india will open for chinese companies in a big big way..indo-chinese trade to surpass from $65 billion to $100 billion in next 5 years

Ranjith Oct 10, 2016 04:44pm

India does enjoy full benefits of Nsg membership so it doesn't matter if India gets full membership or it. Sooner or later the world need to accept Indias membership. I wish both India and Pakistan will sign Nuclear non proliferation treaty and will be submitted into Nsg simultaneously.

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 04:44pm

@Ajaya K Dutt Sir why suddenly you have stated thinking that China has offered something out of Box to India which will make anyone to be worried. China reiterated her stance on NSG and there is nothing new in it and China needed this diplomatically as she will be in India for BRIC and China is mature nation so want to keep media and people around little docile as Indian media is notorious in propaganda

vivek Oct 10, 2016 04:47pm

@ABC you forgot BRICS which has all weather friend China and newly found "Alliance Super power" Russia as members.

number 1 trading partner Oct 10, 2016 04:50pm

China is no1. trading partner of India you can visit the link for confirmation. India can use Chinese number1 trading partnership as a leverage with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofthelargesttradingpartnersof_India

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 04:52pm

@Ranjith Sir I agree if both countries sign NPT both will be inducted simultaneously and automatically but India will never sign NPT despite offer from Pakistan that it will sign NPT if India agrees so ball in in Indian court

Math Oct 10, 2016 04:49pm

China will ask for contracts to build a few reactors in exchange.

Nomi Goraya Oct 10, 2016 04:51pm

@number 1 trading partner I know that trade volume between India and China is very high but still it is far below the potential and that is due to strained ties and territorial disputes between china and India. Sir with all due respect this Wikipedia is not a good reference to quote

Joe Oct 10, 2016 04:55pm

@Nasir Hameed I do hope you keep yourself abreast with news., India has long back conveyed that she has no objection to Pakistan joining the group on her own merits.

Arun Oct 10, 2016 05:12pm

UNSC should expel China for using security council for its political end.

Jack Oct 10, 2016 05:23pm

I heard the news that in India the Chinese product import/sales has gone down by 20%. So this news makes sense.

s kumar Oct 10, 2016 05:27pm

whatever china does , good or bad , it is only in china's interest it does. Nothing else matters.

Vectra Oct 10, 2016 05:32pm

Relax,let China 1st support India and we will see,these statements are nothing if walk the talk are not done as China has the habit of such kind of lip service and later back off.So don't be surprised if China backs of after BRICS summit.

Shahid Oct 10, 2016 05:56pm

What a dichotomy. These two neighbors, one day they are at each other's throats shouting tough, the moment their bad mouthing gets world's attention, slogan momentarlity changes to poverty of their people, yet next day they start counting who is with us and who we can win to down or isolate the other. Something has to be seriously wrong with mental states of these leaders. Isn't it your own neighborhood? No outsiders will help you until and unless you are willing to help yourselves. Just look around state of social entropy for some lesson.

lafanga Oct 10, 2016 05:54pm

@BRIS The only country with liquid cash in the bank is China so you may call it BRIS or whatever but it won't fly off the ground without China. So good luck.

vivek Oct 10, 2016 06:05pm

@ NOMI the wiki articles are based on official information and for which further reference is given in footnotes. The figures for largest trading partner is based on official data from Ministry of Commerce. So why it is not a good source? Have a look on articles related to GDP, HDI etc of any country which are accurately based on official IMF and WB data.

shanthi Oct 10, 2016 06:09pm

@Nasir Hameed . of course India would allow pakistan to enter NSG. but other countries wont!

jagajilly Oct 10, 2016 06:13pm

@Nomi Goraya If that is the case why should India needs China's support? India would have automatically got in if it signed NPT...You are biased in your thinking..thats the issue

PakCanuck Oct 10, 2016 06:13pm

Mature actions from both India and China.

Vish Oct 10, 2016 06:29pm

@Nomi Goraya , Yes you are the only one.

Vorshal Oct 10, 2016 06:33pm

@Nomi Goraya -- If it s signed, then what is there to discuss?!

Masoud Oct 10, 2016 06:35pm

Now India should show maturity and to avail this opportunity. Surely relationship with Pakistan, solution of Kashmir issue & water matters will need solution to proceed, India should keep this in mind.

Pak-Kiwi Oct 10, 2016 06:44pm

This is total failure of Pakistan Foreign Policy which is sole responsibility of Nawaz Shrif and his Govt.

Sameer Oct 10, 2016 06:44pm

And only yesterday there was a radioactive spill at an Indian airport! If India can sign the NPT and truly curb on its failure on nuclear safety mishaps...I dont see reason why India needs to be held back....right now though this seems a bit to hurried.

Azhar - Indian Oct 10, 2016 06:48pm

@vin27 First we should look after poor, which are increasing at staggering rate.

Srini Oct 10, 2016 06:56pm

@Nasir Hameed India is not opposed to entry of Pakistan on its own merit. This would be decided by the member countries of NSG. So if China wants India to canvass for Pakistan, it would be because of India and China efforts that Pakistan would be in NSG.

Yuvaraj Oct 10, 2016 07:14pm

@Nomi Goraya. then why not respecting international court of justice order.

Vijay Oct 10, 2016 07:18pm

Chinese are businessman and excellent negotiators and so are Indians especiallu Gujrathis. Both want something from each other.

Indian 1 Oct 10, 2016 07:19pm

The crux is China going to loose 30 thousand crore Ind RS in this festival season as Indian boycotted Chines goods ....

Np Oct 10, 2016 07:20pm

@Nomi Goraya India is a member of G20 and BRICS which Pakistan isn't so you are factually incorrect.

Mustafa R. Oct 10, 2016 07:21pm

@nurul huda;

'India 's dream for joining elite group NSG is turning into reality day by day...'

It is not the reality that is changing, it is India's acceptance of the reality that China would ensure that Pakistan and India are treated on par.

Marri Oct 10, 2016 07:31pm

@Nasir Hameed why do you think that whatever China will do for Pakistan , it will do because it is pakistans friend. No country does anything for the other without its interest. It's give and take.

Bieng Human Oct 10, 2016 07:40pm

All the international bodies are controlled by the US and for a long time they can not resist what US wants.US wants India and that too is not charity ,it is because of Nuclear deal Westinghouse and GE wants to sell the Nuclear reactors to India each Billion dollar spent by India will create 2700 jobs in the US.Pakistan will not be blocked by India but can not say same for the US

obivankanobi Oct 10, 2016 07:56pm

@naqeeb nobody is close to anybody permanently. Political bedfellows change at any time depending on the needs of each party.

Donald Oct 10, 2016 07:56pm

China shouldn't talk about rules and regulations as hurdles when it itself is a violator. As a party of UNCLOS, it has to bind to the judgement. As a party of wto, a fair and transparent trade has to be practiced. It should simply stop giving statements about 'Double Standards', 'Rule abiding', 'Gaining politics in strategic space'. In crux, China isn't a savior for Pakistan nor will it practically challenge the rise of India and limit its sphere of influence to subcontinent

The end is near Oct 10, 2016 07:58pm

PM Modi is a Great and very intelligent PM for India. Good luck my Indian Friends.

Sudhakar USA Oct 10, 2016 08:00pm

@Nasir Hameed : Perhaps, you should go back and read about the Indian stance on Pakistan's NSG membership. India has categorically stated that it has no problems with Pakistan's application. It is up to Pakistan to convince rest of the 40 odd countries who have a veto in the NSG :-)

Goodall Oct 10, 2016 08:02pm

Chinese cannot be trusted.

Prakash Oct 10, 2016 08:13pm

Dawan has said several times that India and Pakistan should work together like one nation and it is more beneficial for Pakistan than india as Pakistan get benefits of india's raise .

George Oct 10, 2016 08:20pm

@Good Morning Yeah the extremist government in India!

Sudhakar USA Oct 10, 2016 08:19pm

@Harmony-1© : It is one thing to copy+paste quotes by famous personalities on a public news comments section and another to do active result oriented international diplomacy. India knows the maestro in the art of international diplomacy.

Sudhakar USA Oct 10, 2016 08:23pm

@Shahid : Perhaps something is wrong about the mental states of leaders of in the region, who act on emotion rather than realpolitik?

Hannan Oct 10, 2016 08:27pm

For each positive step for India or negative step for Pakistan is always hailed by Indians, by saying "this meant to happen as India is the fastest growing economy and powerful country etc etc" I am amazed that poor country like India having the highest poverty rate in the world, how media has brain-washed its citizen. Indian Media is amazingly talented in spreading fake image.

Bharat Kumar Jaiswal Oct 10, 2016 08:31pm

@Jack Yes... we Indian are trying to replicate Gandhiji's satyagrah against English Clothes.... Leave Chinese Items....

Ayub Oct 10, 2016 08:41pm

If China and India can resolve their differences diplomatically, then why can not India and Pakistan do so? It is time, they should urgently come to the negotiable table and settle their issues for the sake of peace, progress and love in the region.

PrasadDeccani Oct 10, 2016 08:51pm

@Mustafa R.

As far as NSG goes, we (India) ourselves stated explicitly that we are not against Pakistan joining the group. Not sure what this 'mysterious reality' you are talking about is.

hnr Oct 10, 2016 09:00pm

Chinese are pragmatic and ultimately business savvy.

Tejaswi Sharma Oct 10, 2016 09:00pm

@Nasir Hameed : I guess this is foolish to think that China will negotiate about Pakistan inclusion with India. India is not yet a full member. Also India has publicly said that she has no objection in Pakistan getting in. I guess China is negotiating for the supply of nuclear reactors

SAM Oct 10, 2016 09:02pm

@Nasir Hameed Dont let us fool ourselves. Chinese are not in it for free. Any benefits they want, will be to their benefit ONLY

Prateik Oct 10, 2016 09:04pm

China sees a possibility of exporting nuclear reactors to India to boost its sagging economy.

Umar Khitab Oct 10, 2016 09:09pm

I doubt it will let India become civilized towards CPEC and letting Afghanistan and Iran benefit from CPEC..China is probably trying to lure India so as when the economy slows down both for India and China...there would be no winners

Ranjith Oct 10, 2016 09:20pm

@Nomi Goraya A nuclear weapons free South Asia is in our best interests. I want my govt to sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty and to disband the nuclear weapons and follow the example of South Africa. But i do believe it cannot happen without durable peace with our immediate neighbors.

Mustafa R. Oct 10, 2016 09:23pm

@Indian 1;

'The crux is China going to loose 30 thousand crore Ind RS in this festival season as Indian boycotted Chines goods ....'

You are judging China by what you know about yourselves. Cessation or curtailment of trade would hurt India too. This trade is far more important for India than China. Trade with India is a small part of China's world trade.

PAATCHU Oct 10, 2016 09:28pm

CHiNA and INDiA will NOT be like pawns in someone else's games !...

Zhang Oct 10, 2016 09:32pm

China will never allow India unless Pakistan joins the group too.

jay Oct 10, 2016 09:42pm

Chinese love money. They see the billions of dollars involved in possible business with India. Pakistan is only a minor strategic interest for China.

Mustafa R. Oct 10, 2016 09:52pm

@vin27;

China exports to India are $60 Billion yearly 0r about 2.6% of China's global exports. India's exports to China are $12 Billion, also about 2.6% of India's global exports. A single commodity counts for most of India's export to China, iron ore. India would find it very difficult to sell this ore anywhere else.

Yash Oct 10, 2016 10:00pm

@Muhammad . Every thing and every one is changing in this changing world. India is also changing with time and will continue to do so in future also but our culture of being civil to every one will remain.Wish our friends from across the western boarder will also.

M.Jamal Oct 10, 2016 10:06pm

We wish all countries to have wonderful relation but they must treat people in their country in accordance to the wishes of the people, norms followed by free world and international law.If Scotland can go for referendum then why not Kashmir.

Peace Believer Oct 10, 2016 10:15pm

China is waiting patiently and for now, is supporting Pakistan but if they do not see the change in Pakistans attitude they then can justify being neutral if not overtly supporting India. China will eventually realize, if not already beginning to, the futility of supporting Pakistan when the majority of the world is supporting India. Finally, economics will make China see the unprofitability of supporting Pakistan.

ASH Oct 10, 2016 10:25pm

@Nomi Goraya Because NPT foundation is created on wrong principles. How come 5 countries get to keep their nuclear weapons and other countries don't. Nobody would like these 5 countries to play like would cop.

Pakistani tujhe salam Oct 10, 2016 10:33pm

A few days ago all the Indians were planning to boycott China. It's strange why India are comparing to China. There is no comparison at all between the countries. India is a booming economy but the difference is enormous. China is massive and self sufficient in technology right from toys to tanks but that's not the case with India which is heavily dependent on imports. The world over you see any item turn the back it says made in China but not even rarely you would find anything made in India except garments. Obviously you would not like to compare with Pakistan but stop comparing with China also. If China is doing a favour then accept as a friend rather than being delusional as always

Lootra Oct 10, 2016 10:35pm

Chinese are good business people. They know they will ultimately have to agree to Indian membership to NSG but they will try to extract maximum leverage and benefits for their yes vote. It could be a quid pro quo for India not opposing China's membership for MTCR.

Trust your Guts Oct 10, 2016 10:58pm

Sooner or later, this is bound to happen. China Cannot ignore 1.5 billion market.

Kuladeep Patil Oct 10, 2016 11:02pm

India does not care whether in /out of NSG , still they are doing nuclear Business right from 2008, already Rus ,USA already building nuclear reactors and many other countries have shown interest ... China already knows without India's permission it can not get MTCR seat

Man@Dawn Oct 10, 2016 11:35pm

I Love U Dawn. I Being an Indian... and a pro Hindu ... U r projections are so true and so gentle that i can't ever think against U. U talk for all... it may india or pakistan .. u r neutral..
I hope some day our indian media too follow same.

Chow Oct 10, 2016 11:40pm

The common man in India is taking steps to reduce India's trade deficit with China. A village in Bihar has done a first by completely banning sale and entry of Chinese Products. Patanjali products are becoming a rage throughout India giving the western multinationals a run for their money. China is no novice to ignore these trends in India. It is truely threatened by a diminishing Indian market for its goods, one of the worlds largest economies. Hence the friendly posture.

Sarwar, USA. Oct 11, 2016 12:08am

Good move by china to dissolve US interests in India. India can never come close to China's economy. China's figures are staggering...

Sarwar, USA. Oct 11, 2016 12:12am

Modi has to rise above TV propoganda if he wants make good relations with neighbors. Solve Kashmir issue most of things will fall in line.

vish Oct 11, 2016 12:18am

Chinese are intelligent people. They are not ready to lose India's friendship.
a win-win policy should be always good. Everyone has to remember no single bullet fired between these neighbors since 62 .

Karan-Mumbai Oct 11, 2016 12:18am

Can someone tell me why India is not willing to sign NPT?.. What's the harm in signing it?

Tariq, Lahore Oct 11, 2016 12:32am

@when - when Pakistan got some real 'industrial mussel' then perhaps, at the moment we don't have!

Ravi Oct 11, 2016 12:43am

And Kudos to Indian public and the social media - This is the resuilt of 20% decrease in Chinese goods import. The Chinese goods wholesalers started to feel the burnt after social networks started campaining against Chinese goods, the results are showing up now! China knows how important India is for their economy and business

Zia Oct 11, 2016 01:22am

Funny that Russia and China are termed as ' emerging' nations while they control a lot of world economy. Everyone looks to China for trade

GREAT Oct 11, 2016 01:58am

No one can stop INDIA.

Subodh Jain Oct 11, 2016 02:07am

At the end of the day, national interests override any other concerns. Increasing trade also improves relations elsewhere. Constant bickering doesn't achieve anything, except where special interests block progress.

Starr Oct 11, 2016 02:32am

India's dark days are ahead- three new countries are emerging soon out of too big India to manage its own diverse population.

Sunny Sydney Oct 11, 2016 02:32am

@ Nasir compare apples with apples. Regards

nayak Oct 11, 2016 02:48am

our pak brothers shd learn from it.nothing is pernanent nor dosti or dushmani when money speaks

Alba Oct 11, 2016 03:24am

China and India will not fire nuclear missiles unless fired upon first. They have an understanding. Save your money and save the planet.

Alba Oct 11, 2016 03:25am

@DSK ........... China has no interest in dominating Asia.

Satyameva Jayate Oct 11, 2016 03:29am

@Hannan - " I am amazed ... India having the highest poverty rate in the world" - Dear Friend, you should stop getting your general knowledge from what your hear via Loudspeakers. If interested in poverty you should get that information from IMF or the World Bank. As per the World Bank, India is 78th in the world in terms of % of Population living below national poverty line, and 60th in terms of Percent of population living under $1.90 a day 2011 dollars (Purchasing power parity). Also, India is the 3rd Largest Economy in terms of GDP (PPP). Also, India has been the Fastest Growing Large Economy for the last two tears.

Alba Oct 11, 2016 03:27am

@cannot ignore India ........ Don't you mean India should not ignore China? PM Modi is one step ahead of you.

Alba Oct 11, 2016 03:34am

@Tathagata ... There is a better choice in nuclear power 12 to 15 years away.

kya Oct 11, 2016 04:10am

It's all business, china is trying to get the best out of this nsg india bid by pressuring India to give something in return. At the end, India is going to be a part of NSG, it's just a matter of time and a back channel deal for china.

Alba Oct 11, 2016 04:10am

@Hannan ... . Time to grow up. India does not have the highest rate of poverty in the world. Per capita there are many countries with higher poverty rates. Although there is extreme poverty in India the countries poor and lowe class are only about 25% of the people. The middle class has expanded greatly in the past 25 years. That means 325 million have not reached the middle class. What number constitutes the poverty level I can't say, but in Nigeria the middle class or higher is 25% and the lower classes and poor are 75% of the population. So India for example is doing better than Nigeria at eliminating poverty.

Alba Oct 11, 2016 04:14am

@Sudhakar USA ... Real Politik is the threat of the use of force in a region to get a political advantage. That is exactly what Pakistan and India are doing. This is about who's the boss, not about Kashmir.

Sachin Oct 11, 2016 04:29am

Chinese are practical and mature. Chinese dont give anything away in friendship. Not to Pakistan and not to India. maybe China themselves reached out to India that give us contract to setup atleast one powerplant and in return get NSG. Its a win win deal.

watsgoingon Oct 11, 2016 04:56am

@Nasir Hameed. Yes it is definitely a possibility. But what is China to gain by it? China will rather try to get something from India that benefits themselves directly. Do not always piggyback on others. Pak should stand up and take care of its own interests too.

vin27 Oct 11, 2016 05:47am

@Mustafa R. Precisely. You are proving my point. Annual export of China to India is 1.5times more than it's entire gamut of CPEC. Do you realize that difference?

subhash Oct 11, 2016 06:18am

@Mustafa R. We don't care, we would be happy to keep our natural resources that is iron ore instead of selling to China but Chi na can't keep their goods in their county as its nt natural resource but manufactured good (man made) and meant for sell at any price. I hope u understand the differnece ☺☺

RN Oct 11, 2016 06:32am

@Pakistani tujhe salam Healthy competition is ok, but agree that one should be logical in comparison. India's top 10 exports in 2015 are http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/ - this shows the consumer goods you mention is not where India compete with China.

Gems, precious metals: US$38.8 billion (14.7% of total exports) Oil: $30.9 billion (11.7%) Vehicles: $14.1 billion (5.3%) Machines, engines, pumps: $13.2 billion (5%) Pharmaceuticals: $12.5 billion (4.7%) Organic chemicals: $11.2 billion (4.3%) Clothing (not knit or crochet): $9.4 billion (3.5%) Electronic equipment: $7.9 billion (3%) Knit or crochet clothing: $7.8 billion (2.9%) Cotton: $7.5 billion (2.8%)

Feroz Australia Oct 11, 2016 07:51am

China should link NSG membership with a solution to Kashmir.

South Asia is very unstable with nuclear weapons.

With NSG membership, India will get all the fuel for her nuclear reactors from abroad. India will be free to use all the domestic nuclear fuel to make more bombs.

That is not good for the arms race.

Indian Oct 11, 2016 08:28am

China will fall in line

krishna R Oct 11, 2016 08:37am

@Nasir Hameed why would china do that? for what do they stand to gain?

krishna R Oct 11, 2016 08:46am

@Nomi Goraya becuase NPT is discriminatory. you may want to read the histroy of how China hurried to complete it nuclear explosions with the knowledge of the 1967 cutoff to being labelled a nuclear power. India is Right, more than any country to standup against discriminatory practices

s.khan Oct 11, 2016 09:18am

Much ado about nothing. China will not agree unless India signs NPT. This is what Chinese official referring to the rules. There can't be any exception. China also want Pakistan to join NSG. There is a difficult road ahead for India.

Indian 1 Oct 11, 2016 09:19am

@Pakistani tujhe salam Sir Indians are still planing to boycott imported goods just promote made in India product ...

North East Indian Oct 11, 2016 10:01am

@Muhammad, we have overcome those berrier long, India is a fast growing economy and in next 15 years India will be quite different and days are not far when China accepts this.

Feedo Oct 11, 2016 10:26am

India / Indians boycotted chinese products & china is now feeling the repercussions. They cannot afford to lose billions in trade with India. India china trade is worth more than 100 billion, mostly imports from china. Even if 30 - 40% people boycot chinese products, it will be 30 - 40 billion, more than their gwadar port investment. china would not like that to happen.

point of view Oct 11, 2016 10:28am

There is a social level campaign in India to boycott Chinese goods to make realize China that how important to support India's national interest in international negotiations. Already 20% sell of Chinese goods have been declined during recent months.

Sree Oct 11, 2016 10:54am

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Honest Oct 11, 2016 12:36pm

Eventually India will get there! They can only delay not STOP.

Drs Sears Appalsamy Oct 11, 2016 05:43pm

I already wrote a few months ago that China would agree to India becoming a member of the NSG. President Xi said: "The US sets the rules and we follow." China should also be allowed to build a nuclear plant in India and also given contracts to build high speed railway lines and also contract to build the new capital of Andhra Pradesh. China in turn can buy more goods from India to lessen the trade deficit in its favour.

Mustafa R. Oct 11, 2016 09:27pm

@ASH;

'How come 5 countries get to keep their nuclear weapons and other countries don't.'

These same five countries also have veto in the UN Security council while other countries don't and India would very much like to join them.

Mustafa R. Oct 11, 2016 09:28pm

@subhash;

Somehow your logic seems to defy the simple truth that trade is a two-way street, you cannot hurt China without hurting yourselves, especially when China's economy is five times your size.

Mustafa R. Oct 11, 2016 09:31pm

@PAATCHU;

'CHiNA and INDiA will NOT be like pawns in someone else's games !...'

This is not about being a pawn in someone else's game, it is about a pawn who is pretending to be a king.

Truth Oct 11, 2016 09:58pm

@Mustafa R. Since India's trade with China has a negative impact on India we dont mind to seal our markets for Chinese. We are ready to close our way to China does China would like to close its way to India?

pashakaka Oct 11, 2016 10:01pm

very untrustworthy china ,... another gimmick by chunga ... just boycott chinese product .......... period ...

pashakaka Oct 11, 2016 10:00pm

trust not china .

pashakaka Oct 11, 2016 10:09pm

Modi knows more of this very unreliable china. TOTAL UNTRUSTWORTHY MEANS CHINA<

AC1 Oct 12, 2016 12:03am

two very large countries with very large populations have strategically locked horns...India v. China is a mirror race of US v. Russia...in the the end the US won because of democracy that fueled capitalism and communism ultimately lost.

Bangash Oct 12, 2016 12:49pm

@Aditya agree ---- small countries with bigger hearts and big countries with smaller hearts both should refrain

Siddharth Mishra Oct 13, 2016 02:09am

@M. Siddique Sorry sir, But China has not mentioned Pakistan's name this time. These are the fresh negotiations. What China wants in return are - 1) Greater access to Indian markets 2) Permission from India so that it joins Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR)

While China and India are discussing territorial disputes in a parallel dialogue.