India wants to engage Pakistan in ‘low-intensity war’: Asif
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ISLAMABAD: Defence Minister Khawaja Mohammad Asif has said that India wants to engage Pakistan in a “low-intensity war”, expressing confidence that Pakistan is capable of replying to any aggression.
“It seems that India does not understand the language of love and peace,” the defence minister told reporters outside the Parliament House after conclusion of the National Assembly session on Saturday.
Mr Asif said the premier had expressed the desire for having peace with India and all other neighbouring countries with sincerity, but India had not reciprocated Islamabad’s goodwill gesture.
“India wants to keep us busy in a low-intensity war or low-intensity engagement on our eastern border. They are pursuing the same tactics of keeping our forces busy on all fronts and the anti-Pakistan mentality of the Indian leadership is now fully exposed,” he added.
Commenting on relentless shelling by India troops along the Working Boundary for the past few days, the defence minister said it seemed that India did not want to see Pakistan’s success in its fight against terrorism. In fact, he added, the Indian aggression at this time proved that it was supporting terrorists.
Mr Asif said India had started cross-border shelling to engage Pakistan’s armed forces on the eastern front at a time when it was busy in the fight against terrorists inside the country and on the western border. “It seems that India does not want to see a durable peace in Pakistan, Afghanistan and in the region,” he said.
The defence minister said Islamabad had raised the issue of the killing of two personnel of Chenab Rangers and civilians with India at all appropriate forums.
Published in Dawn, January 4th, 2015
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Jan 04, 2015 07:45am
What took you so long to understand this? Where do you think TTP is getting the arms from?
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Jan 04, 2015 07:48am
Nope. You are wrong. India got into BRICS and G20. Next goal is G8. It is far off but India is on the right track. So, it doesn't have any interest and time to get into meaningless wars.
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Jan 04, 2015 07:49am
Someone in the west rightly said politicians in Pakistan are pathological lairs, They themselves never know when they lying.
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Jan 04, 2015 07:52am
True
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Jan 04, 2015 07:54am
I am not a big fan of Kh. Asif but his comments are spot on here. The Indian government is being led by a PM who has played a big role in Gujrat riots were hundreds of innocent civilians were killed. This Indian government is in fact being run by the RSS and the like minded parties. Expecting anything positive from Modi will be a mistake.
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Jan 04, 2015 07:56am
Looks like the Minister just woke up smelled the coffee.!
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Jan 04, 2015 07:59am
No doubt India is providing funds and arms to state enemies
Pakistan must approach international forum with evidence to expose who is real terrorist
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Jan 04, 2015 08:04am
Oh teri!!.... stupid
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Jan 04, 2015 08:06am
India is trying to save TTP by diverting Pakistani attention and resources to the eastern border
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Jan 04, 2015 08:11am
@vj - Did you forget what Henry Kissinger - a former seceratery of state for US - had said about the Indian politicians?
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Jan 04, 2015 08:22am
@AXH
They are angels and honest form the inner core of their heart and soul!!!
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Jan 04, 2015 08:31am
@AXH talk about current affairs- not ancient history
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Jan 04, 2015 08:31am
@AXH no we did not. That's why he came to meet modi..here are the transcripts http://m.state.gov/md232342.htm
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Jan 04, 2015 08:32am
@vj
It was Richard Clarke, the former U.S. national security advisor, who called Pakistanis "compulsive liars". But others who have made similar statements include former CIA chief in Pakistan, Bruce Riedl, former secretaries of state, Madelaine Albright and Hillary Clinton Rodham. U.S. Congressmen and an entire army of experts have echoed similar views about Pakistan.
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Jan 04, 2015 08:39am
Actually makes sense.
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Jan 04, 2015 08:52am
@GT Thats logical fallacy as well. If India has entered into G20, should we believe that it has become peace loving people all of a sudden? Was just watching protests over PK by Hindu extremists yesterday. The Indian PM is an internationally declared violence promoter and US had banned issuing visa to him. We have not forgot what he did in Gujrat. We do not have ANY hope of peace in this extremist PM.
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Jan 04, 2015 08:53am
India should regain PoK and construct access via rail and road to Central Asia. This will give us access to minerals and market.
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Jan 04, 2015 08:56am
Let alone Afghanistan and I am sure India will let you live in peace else deal with it.
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Jan 04, 2015 08:56am
It's like the beggar in the street saying that the rich guy in the grand house is plotting against him!
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Jan 04, 2015 09:02am
All those guys who are blaming India for your internal troubles. Let me ask you a simple question, unlke Pakistan, India is a democracy where politicians face the wrath of people if they dont do anything for the good of the people. Why should they engage in this meaning less war that is not helping them in their next elections?? Even for a moment if you assume that it is to create a sense of nationalism, then why start it now when BJP has just come to power?? They can do it in their fourth year when elections are nearing.
You might say that the India Army is doing this on its own. Assuming that is the case then why with Pakistan alone when we have 6 other countries that are sharing borders with us. You might say China has a border problem with India. but remember it is not a low intensity war but just a dispute under negotiations. There are hardly any shots fired at that side of the border.
Probably you guys will try the line that China can walk over India, hence the good behavior from India. But think if going nuclear has scared India from attacking Pakistan, why should it be different for China when it has to confront India ??
It is easy to hide your heads like ostriches and hole this will pass away. But it is not going to . Pakistan's biggest problem is not outside its borders. To tell you the truth, Indians generally would not like to do anything with the current Pakistan, even a low intensity war. We look at the current Pakistan as a big infectious boil waiting to burst and spread its infection.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:06am
sorry, we too busy with our truck load of problems..malnutrition,rapes,scams,sanitation,Bodo to name a few.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:08am
For the first time I agree with him.
India has been trying to divert army's attention from operation against terrorists. + it all started getting intense since modi took over. India is helping the terrorists ---- no doubt ATLEAST in my mind.
Modi will cause another war --- and India has to loose a lot more regardless of the outcome.
Defensive / offensive strategy will ultimately lead to a full war.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:10am
"It seems that India does not understand the language of love and peace,” the defence minister told reporters outside the Parliament House after conclusion of the National Assembly session on Saturday.
This not a language of diplomacy. No wonder we are unable to resolve our difference with dialogue.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:15am
Its a border skirmish yaar and its been going on for 68 years. Opposing forces seperated by a fence cannot keep smiling at each other all day. Sooner or later they will let loose a few bullets and occassionally theres a free for all. That is why we have Brigadier level phones yaar. Use it!
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Jan 04, 2015 09:18am
Write a letter to UN
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Jan 04, 2015 09:22am
@vj And he also said they do not even when they are lying!
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Jan 04, 2015 09:23am
Useless words by both side leaders ,hypocrcy on its peak
No humanity on either side
No pain for others
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Jan 04, 2015 09:25am
Why should anyone pay attention to the so called defense minister of Pakistan who reports to COAS?
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Jan 04, 2015 09:28am
India has nothing to do with pakistan and pakistan is blaming India for its own incapability.India has no time to engage pakistan but pakistan has ample time as it is free from any economic or development thinking and is fully engaged in politics and that too domistic politics.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:28am
@AXH
YES....his good friend Richard Nixon also said that Indian leaders were clever while
the Pakistani leaders were stupid !
So what ?
btw.... Have you read Kissinger's current views on PAKISTAN ?
Quite an eye opener on Pakistan's previous "best friend forever" !!
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Jan 04, 2015 09:32am
Why is it that every time military in pakistan starts making the moves to take over governance, the borders become active and tense? Why is it totally quiet and peaceful when a full majority and democratically elect government takes reigns of pakistan? (At least for a year or two anyway, until something else goes wrong and people start feeling the buyer's remorse).
It almost seems like 'India as an existential threat to Pakistan' is unspoken technique used to mix up different colors to hide the dark spots that surface from time to time.
Speaking of which, India is not much different. Vajpayee's term was a direct outcome of indulgence in Kargil.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:34am
I sincerely convey my gratitude to the editorial team of The Dawn for not taking the truth completely under siege as Pakistani government would have wanted you to do. Your reports on this issue have been quite close to be called unbiased, with a slight and obvious tilt towards your own country. As an Indian national and sufferer of cross-border terrorism I can only say that last month when Peshawar was bleeding from one of the deadliest acts of terrorism on the Pakistani soil, Indians bled as well. Our newspapers carried pictures of young schoolchildren mourning for their Pakistani counterparts, with tears rolling down on their cheeks. In Kolkata, the city where I reside, people marched on the roads to condemn the henious attack. Pakistan will perhaps never understand that if you keep the snakes in your own backyard it will not bite your neighbour only. Someday they will bite you as well. And then when you'll cry for help it's your neighbour who will rush to be your saviour. The unprovoked firing from Pakistani army is killing women and children of Kashmir. Why can't people of Pakistan say for once that enough is enough. We have had enough of bloodshed and killing of innocent people. Now stop all this. We just want peace.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:34am
@Nisi go ahead who is stopping you
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Jan 04, 2015 09:35am
@Nisi " Pakistan must approach international forum with evidence to expose who is real terrorist"
go ahead who is stopping you.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:38am
We also want to engage you in a high intensity war.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:41am
Motive is to create a seen before Obama visit.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:51am
@Nisi c
Could you please tell us what evidence.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:53am
@AXH - Same Henry Kissinger, who did not utter a word against rape and murder of millions, or at least hundreds of thousand as Pakistan and her supporters would like to say.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:54am
@AXH : Did you forget what Hillary Clinton said to your politicians about raising snakes in the back yard?
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Jan 04, 2015 09:55am
@khan and the counter is some element in pakistan do not to fight with TTP So they are creating this type of statement.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:58am
Already done before and with a PM like Nawaz who put his hands begging in front of Clinton we will see history repeating itself, but worse this time. That means whatever America says will be done to Pakistan by Nawaz.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:59am
"it seemed that India did not want to see Pakistan’s success in its fight against terrorism", you figured this out now?
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Jan 04, 2015 10:01am
Low intensity war for accomplishing what? India has never attacked any country, does not have expansionist policies. Somebody is misled and misleading.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:03am
@Erik Still the same thought. I am not surprised. You never introspect and find faults in yourself and your system. You will face again and again the similar attacks but you wont stop blaming India. Sometimes I feel you know the truth but you find it hard to digest.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:05am
Last time it was Pakistan that initiated all this
And at that point. One of the Indian ministers commented that ' a long and low intensity war would be too expensive for Pakistan
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Jan 04, 2015 10:05am
Indians are really not interested in Pakistan. We have better things to do.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:12am
@vj .......american lying friends of pakistan liars? ....right?
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Jan 04, 2015 10:16am
100% true.well said KMA.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:16am
Unlike the predecessor, the new Indian government wants to engage the Pak army actively and respond in kind. The Pak security establishment is actually exploiting this new mode of engagement before the US President Obama's visit to India. Pres. Obama is scheduled to attend India's Republic Day celebrations on Jan 26, 2015. India would have liked to showcase the recently concluded elections in J&K, and thus push the J&K matter down the list of items on the agenda. On the other hand, the escalated border tension just a few days before the visit would hopefully force the US hand and pull the issue back to the top of the list--this should be Pak's strategy. Unfortunately, civilians on both the sides suffer. On a longer term, India is aspiring to be a global contender, but with these low to medium intensity border conflicts, Pak hopes to keep it on par with itself --in the league of the "could have been" nations that are busy constantly negotiating and renegotiating loans from international donors, lurching from one crisis to the next.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:20am
@khan Khan shahab whole world knows who is real culprit.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:20am
“It seems that India does not understand the language of love and peace,” give one concrete proof of Pakistan adhering to those principles!
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Jan 04, 2015 10:21am
Mr Defence minister, can you provide ONE example when Pakistan have taken moral responsibility for the terrorist attack in India, Afghanistan or any other part of the world? Americans traced Osama in Pakistan, Drones are used everyday to kill terrorists & Pakistan uses air-force to kill he terrorists. But, when India & Afghanistan give you evidence against terrorists and you are requested to act, you people simply turn blind and instead send so called good terrorists to India. Frankly speaking, there is NO TRUST for Pakistani establishment. Pakistani people in general are not bad,but, establishment there is playing the dirty game all he time.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:24am
India's foreign policy is defensive and not to attack first, they will not start a war and will not cross the border, that is the official policy. But Modi as an aggressive individual does want a war, so he is provoking pakistan to take the first punch and pakistan is repeatedly falling for it. If the war starts now, Modi will have an excuse to escalate and will only claim that he responded to Pakistan's aggression and more folks around the world are likely to take India's word than Pakistan. I think for once pakistan army/leadership should do what NYC cops did to mayor Bill de Blasio, just turn your back and let Indians scream and yell but get *no* response out of you, eventually they will get tired and step down.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:26am
@Harsh - If your leadership had it in them, Modi would have done it by now. We are not Nepal, Bhutan, etc., that your politicians can bully.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:30am
This is how Pakistani leaders cheat their citizens.The Americans ,the Chinese are making intrusions without permission in Pakistan.Did any leader speak against it.Pakistan needs jobs,economy and classless society.Who will talk about these things ?
Anti India verbal vomiting is a political smack the leaders of Pakistan are offering to their citizens.
One question to Pakistan:
Name one leader in Pakistan who is not an elite and whose children are not studying in Christians schools in UK or any other part of the world?
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Jan 04, 2015 10:35am
Being a 41 year old educated Indian, I do not believe that India is entirely innocent. On the other hand, Pak army generals have a more convincing motive to engage india thru shelling so as to keep American aid. In all fairness both sides are equally ruthless but the difference is that Pak is doing it at the behest of China to contain india, while india is doing it at its own behest.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:35am
There politics survive on these sorts of rehotrics. Said
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Jan 04, 2015 10:36am
See... I told you... Osama was not in Pak.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:36am
I think for India, there are other goals to be achieved and they no longer consider Pakistan as a enemy as India has gone far far ahead than most of the countries in the world. India is much focused on relationship with China. The iorniy for Pakistan is if India and China have good relationship, Pakistan would be cornered out Internationally as it's own so called friend is China only.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:38am
@hamid - "Anti India verbal vomiting is a political smack the leaders of Pakistan are offering to their citizens."
So, if India tries to engage Pakistan in a cowardly war and a politician points it out, it is called verbal vomiting? I wonder what you feel about the Indians who are trying their best to provoke Pakistan?
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Jan 04, 2015 10:45am
@AXH remember too what Hillary clinton - a former seceratery of state for US - had said about the pakistan
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Jan 04, 2015 10:49am
I pity pakistani people who believe their politicians. Pakistan is in total disarray and no one has a clue as to what they shoul be doing/saying.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:53am
@hamid - YAWN
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Jan 04, 2015 10:56am
India has nothing to gain from this alleged low intensity war. India has border with many other countries, only with Pakistan the problem persists. Introspection required in Pakistan as to gains from this cross border militants infiltration.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:58am
India is on development path. We are working for society, science and human welfare. We dont have time and money to spend on useless things.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:58am
Why Pakistan have problem with its all PDOSI viz Iran Afghans India..?...where as in India, Yes we have some difference with China but not single rds fired in last 10 years, the relation with Bangladesh is all time high, Indian can visit Nepal Bhutan with out any documents, an Indian can visit nearest market of Myanmar (Tamu) with out document.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:58am
@Nisi It requires credibility. You have to gain credibility first.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:59am
Vulnerabilities are always exploited by the adversary. But the real culprit is the one who creates vulnerability which ultimately is Pakistan in this case. Like a weak body is affected by disease causing germs, vulnerabilities of a nation will be affected by adversaries. There cannot be an exception to the nature's law. Now you know who the real culprit is ...
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Jan 04, 2015 11:08am
Very funny and childish comment by a responsible political figure.
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Jan 04, 2015 11:10am
How by starting a nuclear war where there are no winners that's why it will always be low intensity both countries want to keep their dignified responses to a minimum that's why it's important to keep terrorists at bay because they don't care about provoking a nuclear war
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Jan 04, 2015 11:18am
PAK imposes 100% effort against India instead of there own development.
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Jan 04, 2015 11:22am
Our defence minister is brilliant except that he does not know that fact.
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Jan 04, 2015 11:28am
What is so common about Pakistan and China??? Unsustainable agenda. Think beyond the immediate short term benefit. Long term it is going to bite you real hard. The victims will be common man.
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Jan 04, 2015 11:29am
You can escape for now, never ever be able to run away from us. India will be here for ever.
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Jan 04, 2015 11:48am
Amrika, India, Israel..... Israel , India , Amrika,.......India , Israel , Amrika..... Pakistani foreign policy is quite easy actually...
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Jan 04, 2015 11:50am
@AXH Look out for Kissinger's follow up statement to his initial comments on India. Obviously you wouldn't like it, but worth checking out.
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Jan 04, 2015 11:54am
@hamid Very well said hamid...
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Jan 04, 2015 12:00pm
@AXH are you forgetting what the whole world is saying about paksitanis
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Jan 04, 2015 12:03pm
I am not a big fan of this guy but this time I 100% agree with him.
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Jan 04, 2015 12:04pm
We have been shouting here for years that India wants proxy wars in this region. I know that we will drag into civil war very soon. It is not a good idea to throw stones at others' house while you are sitting in the house built of glass
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Jan 04, 2015 12:06pm
@Afghan Lion ask your buddy India to take millions of Afghani refugees as well who are still in Pakistan.
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Jan 04, 2015 12:07pm
@Ben your comment is plain stupid
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Jan 04, 2015 12:13pm
"In her response, according to the paper, Ms Swaraj said that “at no stage did the Indian side seek any platoon level contact under a white flag as was suggested in the communication”.
Ms. Swaraj has categorically stated in her communique to Pakistan's defence advisory, Mr. Sartaj Aziz, that India did not seek any meeting. If Pakistan has any evidence of such a meeting being sought, please show the evidence. That would make it very clear to readers who is creating an environment for a low-intensity war.
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Jan 04, 2015 12:21pm
@AXH - Can you recall where Kissinger's advice led his President to?
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Jan 04, 2015 12:22pm
I think we should take over entire south asia under our control as they are driven by incapable leadership.. They will never be able to rule peacefully and would endup as the puppets in the hands of western powers.
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Jan 04, 2015 12:25pm
How long can GHQ fight a Low Intensity War? All know how long Pak can fight a Regular Intensity War before it runs out of oil and spare parts.
India's strategy is to make Pak follow the path the USSR followed: Military Budget out of sync with the Economy!
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Jan 04, 2015 12:54pm
@chere Really? Then why most of you flock over to pakistani media website and comment on stories?
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Jan 04, 2015 12:59pm
It is time for Pakistani public to question what their civilian and military leaders say on topic like these, seriously. Otherwise, Pakistan will truly, truly become a failed nation.
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Jan 04, 2015 12:59pm
Mr. Asif, I am sure that everyone is plotting against Pakistan. All border skirmishes are started by India and we are retaliating by firing their troops and innocent villagers, violating Geneva Convention. Additionally, India has so many internal problems that it wants to blame all on Pakistan. Yes the innocent citizens are with your lies.
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Jan 04, 2015 01:00pm
@ghanshyam and how will india "regain" PoK?
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Jan 04, 2015 01:01pm
The people of both countries want to live in peace and want to have social and trade relations with each other. It is clear as the day light that the Indian government does not want any such relations with Pakistan. Indian government wants to intimidate Pakistan into subservience
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Jan 04, 2015 01:31pm
@GT then how do you explain these border skrmishes?
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Jan 04, 2015 01:32pm
Khwaja sahib has coined a new term!!!
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Jan 04, 2015 01:44pm
Pakistani is the only country in the world who see role models in their invaders like Gazani, Ghouri, Temur etc. Fact is these invaders looted,murdered, raped and converted your forefathers and today you follow on their path.
Turks laugh at you when you say you once you ruled Spain, Arabs do not marry their daughter to Pakistani, They do not give your citizenship, but still you talk about Muslim brotherhood. Stop hating your brothers across the border. Truth is you belong to same DNA as them.
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Jan 04, 2015 01:45pm
At Last a politician tells it like it is. Alas, it came years late.
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Jan 04, 2015 01:51pm
Defence minister? What a joke! Even Pakistanis army does not care about what the defense minister says, so why should India?
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Jan 04, 2015 02:01pm
@Kaleem who care what do you think and what not to want. We Love modi so we elected.
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Jan 04, 2015 02:01pm
@Erik from pakistan....
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Jan 04, 2015 02:02pm
we put you there to resolve issue like his, so do it. don't come on media or give speeches on media to to highlight issue so that other help you to solve. if you can handle step down.
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Jan 04, 2015 02:21pm
@priya you seems sensible among your fellas.
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Jan 04, 2015 02:30pm
@Salman Khan China is more focused on US as it will surpass US as the biggest economy in the near future. This is what China thinks of India compared to the U.S "why worry about a fox at the back door when you have a bear at the front door"
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Jan 04, 2015 02:39pm
Ok. Assuming the accusation to be true, why has pakistan not cracked down the terrorists when it's border with India was comparatively quite. Secondly, whenever someone questions Pakistan's intentions on terrorism, there is an automatic escalation on the loc accompanied by publicity stunts by the politicians. It does not take rocket science to understand Pakistan's double speak.
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Jan 04, 2015 02:46pm
Thanks Mr.Minister for sharing a good news for US. Hope this stance of INDIA continues to full fledged war...
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Jan 04, 2015 03:00pm
India has no need to start any war with any one. Pakistan is on track with self-immolation because of flawed policies and religious turmoil.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:01pm
Blaming India for everything is an attempted diversion with patchy success but this time its not going to work.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:05pm
@Erik
Where?
Do you have any proof or do you wish this was a reality?
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Jan 04, 2015 03:09pm
@Amar Akbar Anthony(Dilip Thorat), You may know that Col. Prohit was not in India, neither he bombed the Samjhotha express.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:10pm
Has anyone watched the serial Homeland on US channel. That will give you an idea what west thinks about Pakistan.
Whatever shown in that is absolutely right. Pakistan is in denial mood till it destroys itself. The sooner they learn the better for the region.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:23pm
Pakistani people, when will you stop blaming others and take some responsibility. It looks like you always blame others for everything.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:27pm
We, residents of Mumbai, do understand what Pakistan means by the language of love and peace. Even the US Govt understands that language. They live in fear, so they pretend they don't. But Modi and his Govt understand it best of all. Don't forget that.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:30pm
@Ram aur Rahim Khan
Touche'
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Jan 04, 2015 03:37pm
@GT then why the unprovoked firing and shelling incidents?
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Jan 04, 2015 03:41pm
"Low intensity war, a war of thousand cuts, asymmetric warfare and non-state actors" this has been Pakistan's vocabulary for last three decades.
The DM is now bothered that the neighbour's kids have also started using the same bad language - which he thought was their (Pakistan's) moral right.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:46pm
@anonymous India will not start the war but it is instigating Pakistan to start one.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:55pm
@Sanjay If you really believe Hollywood shows reality then I have a very nice bridge that I can sell you in Delhi.
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Jan 04, 2015 03:57pm
Pakistan is fast becoming a joke!
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Jan 04, 2015 04:05pm
@Nisi "No doubt India is providing funds and arms to state enemies Pakistan must approach international forum with evidence to expose who is real terrorist"
Absolutely no doubt in my mind too.
"Pakistan must approach international forum with evidence to expose who is real terrorist"
Bus yahan phans gayee Billi ki du'm - kaash kahin pu'r evidence hota.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:10pm
@kck “It seems that India does not understand the language of love and peace,”Oh yes. We all Indians are eagerly waiting for the sweet river of 'love' and 'peace' from our savior Pakistan with a 1000 cut in our body.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:10pm
How do you know???
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Jan 04, 2015 04:26pm
@Indian Sam Very well said. The last line captures the real meaning:
To tell you the truth, Indians generally would not like to do anything with the current Pakistan, even a low intensity war. We look at the current Pakistan as a big infectious boil waiting to burst and spread its infection.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:29pm
@AXH tell us all what he had said
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Jan 04, 2015 04:30pm
@AXH Whatever he said about Indian politicians did not matter at all because Indian politicians simply snatched away East Pakistsn from Kissinger's darling friend Pakistan and Kissinger and his boss as well as their dear cold-war friend just stood powerless and stunned in shock and awe!
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Jan 04, 2015 04:30pm
india wants u grow economically........but u better need a social reformer!!
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Jan 04, 2015 04:32pm
We really hope that the educated Pakistanis at least now have better sense than to fall for this rhetoric. Such statements are offered as opium to lull one into a stupor and far away from reality. The U.S. and China regularly violate your sovereignty, question that. Blind hatred of your separated brothers can not be the basis of sustainable nationhood!
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Jan 04, 2015 04:39pm
@sandeep Exactly we do not give Indian a dime in our thoughts, but I see dozens of Indians commenting here like it is most important issue in their lives.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:41pm
@Samrat Mukhopadhyay my good neihbour. i humbly request you please wake up and take a deep 360 degree view
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Jan 04, 2015 04:43pm
Yawn! I have many indian friends and they truly don't care about us, they are targeting education, development, growth and are aiming for the big boys. They see us as a irritant and nothing else.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:48pm
@Erik So where do terrorists attacking india gets their arms from
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Jan 04, 2015 04:51pm
This is called economies of war. Be it any country with conflicts in the world, the real propaganda is protecting the vested economic interests of a few stakeholders at the helm of affairs and such are camouflaged resulting in genesis of conflicts. And just as in mathematics, anything directly associated with negativity is absorbed to create the unwanted of a larger proportion. This coupled with mind control works perfect as depicted herein as seen in responses to this article. One does work for the manager but unaware of the real interest groups under the veil. The whole plot works every time without fail for humans have incapacitated themselves to THINK. How many of us here and around have ever had a motive of creation that is for betterment of self or society. From the greatest inventions to the cult technology developed till date have all evolved from one source, Human Mind. The time has come for commoners to disconnect from the herd mentality and move towards using the most powerful tool ever known to man, Our Mind. Sooner the realisation and faster will be the liberation of captive minds. Be good and do good, no matter how high the tides are, for your actions MATTER!!
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Jan 04, 2015 04:53pm
@Afghan Lion Very true. The current problem is due to pakistan considering afghanistan its backyard. Afghanistan is a great nation with more history than newly formed pak
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Jan 04, 2015 04:55pm
to all indians, no surprise as you are saying what your media is telling you to believe and we will do the same so no point giving us lecture whether you are always right and we are always wrong. I only have one small question, I remember Pakistan once said to have an independent investigation on border firing and india rejected it. why i am asking why since we both will believe what our media/government is telling us and an independent investigation might have given us some true picture but guess what who oppose this??? no point of bashing but to ask your government the question i mention above.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:59pm
@Idea Khan - India doing at behest of US and Israel.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:59pm
Very true.
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Jan 04, 2015 04:59pm
@AXH
Did you read how he corrected himself and set the record strait
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Jan 04, 2015 05:06pm
@GT - oh G8 the reason why modi got into plastic surgery and stem cell purana controversy? Is that why good governance day on Christmas controversy? Is that why ghar Wapsi?
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Jan 04, 2015 05:11pm
War - be it low or high intensity, will never yield anything good. Being an Indian, I am more concerned with getting faster modes of transportation to reach my office, Better wealth management to get higher returns to secure mine and my children's future, Have a better and healthier lifestyle and Travel and meet new people, etc. I am sure the average Pakistani might also share similar thoughts.
Well read and educated individuals in both countries will agree to it that terrorism has affected both countries severely. And mostly, War and terrorism is a part of a propaganda initiated by few selfish individuals to feed their own sinister hunger. We are aware that public forums and social platforms reach a million viewers. Hence I urge my fellow friends from both countries to think before writing anything that my lead to spread of hatred amongst one another. I respect your thoughts, but at times it is essential to refrain, just to contribute towards a peaceful tomorrow.
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Jan 04, 2015 05:18pm
@Indian Observer
Bruce Reidel is on the pay by Indian powerful lobby's aligned to Zionists lobby's in Washington.
Hence why Zionists lobby's use their influence to buy Indians into a sphere of influence in Washington.
Who killed Hernant Karkare chief of antI terror squad on the same day of Mumbai Taj Seige.
Who was Hermant Karkare investigating,?
What report was he to release.
Hindu Secularist must save India from Hindu Fascists Nationalist seeking a Akhand Bharat an empire from India to Afghanistan.
Will never happen but will lead to war which nobody wants.
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Jan 04, 2015 05:18pm
@Kaleem
Totally Agree well written
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Jan 04, 2015 05:21pm
@GT you are still a poor country with 34% of indians living below1.25 dollars a day
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Jan 04, 2015 05:28pm
after Peshawar massacare I thought India and Pakistan people are close now..but I was wrong..:(
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Jan 04, 2015 05:37pm
@Ram which terrorists,
Kashmir is not Indian land but an occupation and the current status quo can change if India does not abide by rule of law.
Regarding the rest it's false flag and thru get their arms from whomever Colonel Prohit was taking orders from
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Jan 04, 2015 05:45pm
@AXH , Let Americans and Saudis control Pakistans lives
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Jan 04, 2015 06:06pm
Where is the evidence.?
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Jan 04, 2015 07:07pm
Taliban is "Raw funded" "Anti Pakistan", only as long as Pakistan people did not want get rid of them. Mullah Aziz and his likes are protested because Pakistan people are fed up with the monsters. Comments show that there are still who profess otherwise but I think there is light at the end of tunnel.
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Jan 04, 2015 07:21pm
@Rashid - It seems Pakistan is not 100% in fight against terrorists. There are people like Aziz and Rashid.
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Jan 04, 2015 07:24pm
@AXH : We don't bully anyone. We cooperate. Regarding Pakistan we will do what needs to be done slowly and deliberately, don't be impatient.
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Jan 04, 2015 07:57pm
@Truth Hurts Not same DNA, Some of the Pakistani DNA is mixed with invaders from Central Asia and West. These invaders were barbaric with no regards to life,
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Jan 04, 2015 08:27pm
@Sanjeev History repeats itself
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Jan 04, 2015 08:45pm
@khan : Do India have resources ????
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Jan 04, 2015 08:55pm
forget about Amen Ki ASHA
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Jan 04, 2015 09:06pm
@A shah
You are the true sane person I see from Pakistan. Really appreciate your knowledge of current situation.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:24pm
Minister is speaking with advise and permission from Sonia and Rahul Gandhi.
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Jan 04, 2015 09:52pm
@GT ...many people including in india and pakistan do not know what BRICS even stands for..
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Jan 04, 2015 10:13pm
@Ben .........and the rich guys owes money to everyone
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Jan 04, 2015 10:18pm
@Indian Sam .........as a muslim Indian Pakistani I agree with you that both countries cannot afford to go to war as both will suffer and the third element will make money at our foolishness.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:25pm
@GT You nailed it.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:28pm
As long Pakistan makes this conclusion it is guaranteed that they will never get rid of terrorists from this land.
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Jan 04, 2015 10:30pm
not true
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Jan 04, 2015 10:40pm
@Samrat Mukhopadhyay well said!!!!
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Jan 05, 2015 12:35am
@Indian Observer;
How is this lie; Indian Union Environment Minister Prakash Javadekar claims that Shivkar Bapuji Talpade was the first man to build and fly an aircraft in 1895.
Another minister has claimed that Indians invented Algebra and the Pythagoras theorem.
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Jan 05, 2015 12:40am
@GT;
" India got into BRICS and G20. Next goal is G8"
Your next goal should be to beat three South Asian countries who are ahead of you in per-capita GDP. You had the fourth highest per-capita GDP in 1947 as you do today. Sounds like progress??
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Jan 05, 2015 12:56am
@Nisi
How are you so confident and have 'no doubt'? Do you have any proof that India is perpetuating terror activities in Pak? If you read the news here in India, it says the exact opposite that Pak is shelling on India and starting unprovoked fire.
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Jan 05, 2015 01:14am
You elaborated the problem very well. Who will provide the solution?
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Jan 05, 2015 01:44am
I doubt that India is trying to engage us in a low intensity war. After the Afghan war, we excel in this type of war and India would not want to test us on this subject. Instead, we should focus on building good ties with India and on cooperating with them to eliminate our common enemy.
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Jan 05, 2015 02:16am
India is looking only for its development. nothing else gets priority.
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Jan 05, 2015 02:30am
@Nisi It is is to accuse, first prove it. India has proved beyond doubt to international bigs still Pakistan is not taking any actinon against JuD & Let. USA HAS BOUNTY ON HAFEEZ.WHAT DO YOU SAY ?
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Jan 05, 2015 02:39am
@GT
and all the indians
truth hurts
and thats why so many indians(hindus) are so harsh in these comments
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Jan 05, 2015 03:21am
Do not dare India, as we Indians know that the same blood flows in your vessels as ours.May be you have not realised this as yet.Killing each other is not the answer to the problems.
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Jan 05, 2015 03:41am
@vj liars or lairs? get your spelling right first instead of gloating over India's feats.
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Jan 05, 2015 03:44am
@Indian Observer go and google what Chak Hegel has said recently about India and it's designs about Pakistan via Afghanistan.
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Jan 05, 2015 03:47am
@Omar Should we also let independant investigation to see if there are enough evidences against master minds of Mumbai bombing, or whether Dawood id sheltered by Pakistan and many more?
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Jan 05, 2015 03:51am
@Lafanga Do you know the difference between the per-capita GDPs of USA and China?
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Jan 05, 2015 04:04am
@Erik and you genius.... can you provide some proof about what you said.It is easy to say things..... But justifying your words ............. is hard
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Jan 05, 2015 04:28am
@Nisi
Why so late mate? Did anyone stopped you? Do it right now, please.
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Jan 05, 2015 04:28am
Now why is India against the destruction of TTP at the hands of Pak army? Hmmmm!
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Jan 05, 2015 04:32am
Pakistan officials are too good in passing the bugs. That's how they survive and hangs on power. There no body to take a concrete action against the culprits. Keep on blaming, forgetting your back yard on fire. They are innocent but not in front of the whole world.
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Jan 05, 2015 04:34am
@AXH You are not the only one. There are many here in India also who are misguided and are vicitms to Cong. propaganda on Modi spread over a period of more than a decade.
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Jan 05, 2015 04:37am
@Indian Sam Very well said.
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Jan 05, 2015 04:43am
I am not sure if you guys have heard about chanakiya,modi is playing the same cheap tactics, he knows that he cant afford full scale war and is going so lower
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Jan 05, 2015 05:13am
@rana1 Probably not. But they still know how to pound bricks up your you know what.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:32am
@GT why are they shooting then? Its very obvious. .india is waging a proxy war against Pakistan and in order to divert Pak army's attention from war on terror, they are trying to engage them on eastern border.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:34am
@GT The next target should be to provide toilets to 626 million Indians who do not have access to the toilets.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:37am
@Indian Observer modi, rajiv gandhi, vajpai and indra ganghi had said indians lie all the time
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Jan 05, 2015 05:40am
@ghanshyam there is no such place called POK. There are two kashmirs i.e azad kashmir and indian occupied kashmir.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:54am
Modi's fundamentalist electoral platform was anti Pakistan. Infact he clearly stated in one of his pre election speeches that he will start a war with Pakistan and despite the blatant belligerent stance nawaz sharif went to his inauguration.
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Jan 05, 2015 06:04am
@Erik
India is not so stupid to arm the TTP who openly declare that India is their eternal enemy
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Jan 05, 2015 06:06am
@AXH
Do you think the Pakistan is the sole savior of Islam and Muslim, . Try to protect the Shia's ( who is also Muslim) within the border!!
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Jan 05, 2015 06:08am
@khan
Pakistan's should come out of this conspiracy theory, Otherwise it will sink to the abyss
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Jan 05, 2015 07:19am
Keeping Pakistan busy on the home front so everyone can leave in peace is the best strategy.
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Jan 05, 2015 07:54am
Khawaja Asif we don't trust you. India certainly is not friendly with Pakistan-- but we don't trust you at all!
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Jan 05, 2015 07:59am
@Resh Kissinger was not an angel either :)
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Jan 05, 2015 08:12am
@Afghan Lion 100% Right
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Jan 05, 2015 08:18am
@kumar;
"Some of the Pakistani DNA is mixed with invaders from Central Asia and West."
Exactly, that is why there are so many Khans in Bollywood.
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Jan 05, 2015 08:20am
Things turned around when Khwaja Asif started a high intensity war against the Pakistan Army in the National Assembly and ended up on the short end of the stick.
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Jan 05, 2015 08:22am
Watch Hindi movies and enjoy your life as we get it only once !!!!
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Jan 05, 2015 09:18am
Well done Asif Sab. Indian guns have already been silenced within a day of his warning.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:30am
Pakistan wants to share love and peace under the guidance of Seed hafees, Daaud and Lakhvi..... What a joke hahahah
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Jan 05, 2015 09:37am
@Indian Observer The biggest liars and hypocrates i.e. US calling other liars, LOL
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Jan 05, 2015 09:41am
@Kaleem: No peace, how about rest and peace.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:50am
@Zalmad
Them whom you trust, if not the Minister Defense.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:56am
@Jawad : Pakistan's political setup is failed to deliver domestically and internationally, now US including India strongly believe that Pakistan's military is a viable solution for them to move forward. International community has prescribed bring military lead government directly or indirectly that will solve problem.
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Jan 05, 2015 10:11am
@vj It was about Pak generals.
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Jan 05, 2015 10:14am
@Kaleem beta kaleem padosiyon ki bhi khabar rakhni chaiye...hai ki nahin...!!!!!!
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Jan 05, 2015 10:16am
@AXH He had later regretted say that it was his greatest mistake.
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Jan 05, 2015 10:19am
@Kaleem Our extremist at most file a case in court and BTW the official statement from government is "If censor board has cleared it, he don't want to intervene". Court has said, "If you don't like it don't watch it".
Since then there is not a word against the film. We don't go on beheading and burning people.
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Jan 05, 2015 10:23am
Look who is talking about peace...irony aint?
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Jan 05, 2015 10:25am
What kind of logic is presented by Pakistan and people accept it. Dont know why people accept such logic.
1. Skirmishes are taking place on border since the birth of Pakistan and pakistan has started fighting against terrorism recently.
2. while India is fighting against the terrorism since long back in history.
3. If india has started firing on border and pakistan has to face war at two front because of it. India is also facing at two front then why unnecessarily india would do that?
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Jan 05, 2015 10:37am
@Barry ........likewise too expensive for india too,both know .
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Jan 05, 2015 10:58am
India must stop all talks, sports, business relations and call back Indian high commissioner and send back pak high commissioner. It's very clear that there is not even 1 percent sincere approach for peace. They talk about "love and peace" in-front and back end what's happening is crystal clear.
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Jan 05, 2015 11:33am
The fact is Pakistani's are having hard time to believe their own leaders, they have heard this kind of language way too many times
On their TV programs they come and say Pakistan is the only country who can stop india to become the power house in South Asia, only country in the world where leaders say we are country with nuclear weapons and will not hesitate to use them so india need to respect us.
After all this talk it is laughable to say that India need Pakistan to be engaged in low intensity war.
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Jan 05, 2015 11:53am
@Kaleem make a movie about molvi's in Pakistan and try to run it in theaters
Aapka sir kalam kar diya jayega Mr kaleem
Movies like PK can only run in a country like India where between the protest movie is the biggest hit of all time
Par yeh tumhe kahan dikhayi dega aap ki aankho par to parda pada hai
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Jan 05, 2015 12:19pm
India Intention's are clear. The absolute discard words used by Prime Minister Modi against Pakistan reveals true India intention and I am sure all the Indian who make statements will agree as the proof is out in all televisions. However, May God protect Pakistan from all the troubles. Pakistan needs to tighten up security on the eastern Border for it's own security purpose.
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Jan 05, 2015 12:31pm
India Intention are clear as mirror. The discard words used by Prime Minister Mr. Modi against Pakistan reveal India true intention in being a friend to Pakistan. Those Indian who present the message that India is showing Good Will. I suggest you ask that same question to your PM, and for the proofs have a look around media of his previous statements against Pakistan. May God protect Pakistan from all the troubles and guide it.
Regards
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Jan 05, 2015 01:11pm
@Raza Bokhari
Keep worrying about neighborhood's intentions BUT never question the internal intentions. More than 50,000 people have died in Pakistan due to terrorism so why did Peshawar incident became so dear to Army that it started attacking the militants?
When US drone were hitting the hideouts - every one in Pakistan was crying about innocent victims dead ( refer to Dawn news records). Since PAF has started hitting the targets only terrorists are dying no innocents? (again refer to Dawn news records). Who is playing the game? and why are the citizens quiet about it?
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Jan 05, 2015 02:32pm
To exist in Pak govt one needs to keep Army/nonstate actors in good humor.Hope this rhetoric will save Asif his job.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:00pm
Concentrate on Mulla Aziz and the likes of him
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Jan 05, 2015 05:04pm
@Mustafa Can you please give us the source of your information?
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Jan 05, 2015 05:23pm
@Raza Bokhari . Your views are as per your perceptions. We too believe that people at large in both the countries are nicely moderate. But two important differences: One Economic Development and other religion induced terror. The world at large are having sympathy to you people at Pakistan. But you too must introspect as to what went wrong. The last nail was Peshawar attack and believe us no eye was without tear here in India. The orthodox philosophy and dictatorship there will ruin you. Before that the civil society must awake. N number of incidents are recorded of Pakistan non state actors KARNAMA in India and prime are 26/11 attack and presence of Dawood in karanchi. So long as Hafeez Saeed like people are sheltered, no positives can be expected. BTW Osama was in you country when he was dead.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:02pm
Indian guns have opened again. Time for Asif Sab to issue another warning.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:14pm
@GT This aggression has nothing to do with G8. India is not industrialized country and will not become G8 member. It is G7 now.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:26pm
Guys, india plans in next few years. 1) Smart cities. 2) Bullet trains. 3) 24 hr power for few villages which still dont have. 4) Space programs. 5) Online governance. 6) Clean India with clean rivers etc. Many more to come. Gov has aready initiated actions we will achive in next few years, sorry dont hav time for war.
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Jan 06, 2015 05:01am
This is ridiculous.There is no logic in the statement made by Defence minister.
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Jan 06, 2015 08:01am
@Ajaya K Dutt ,yes but that is a light of oncoming train.
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Jan 06, 2015 10:59am
we have not yet learned any lesson from our past ,it was india who broke us into two parts and still continue its belligerent policy against Pakistan , why we lament everywhere take serious steps to pay them back ,
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Jan 06, 2015 01:43pm
@AXH do you know what common people from other countries think of henry kissinger? lol
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Jan 06, 2015 01:58pm
Pakistan has all the time in the world to keep creating lies even if everyone knows what it is doing. Eventually, someday, all Pakistanis will understand the ideas and the lies that Pakistan is fighting for. But they will never be able to understand why?
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Jan 06, 2015 02:25pm
@Kaleem Dude, you invoke PK protests @ the drop of the hat.. How many of you are even open to a sensible, albeit different interpretation about the Prophet? The whole world would burn!!
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Jan 06, 2015 02:30pm
I think converted Punjabis have lost it totally...
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Jan 06, 2015 03:59pm
@Nisi And you have no proof to prove what you just said. Do you?
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Jan 06, 2015 04:03pm
@vj Rightly said vj
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Jan 06, 2015 04:43pm
@ghanshyam : For God's sake please understand that an Independent and Stable Pakistan is in India's Interest. Meantime please do some research on the Total Trade and its Destinations in respect of the Central Asian Republics. Possibly over Eighty per Cent of their Trade is with China, Russia and Europe which is carried by Rail and Pipe Lines in respect of Oil and Natural Gas. Pakistan should solve its own problems in its own way. Please don't lumber India with Pakistan's Problems. India has enough problems of its own.
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Jan 06, 2015 05:46pm
@Samrat Mukhopadhyay What an innocent Indian Intelligence.
In hardtalk, Stephen asked the Hongkong protesiting leader why the international community is not with you. Her answer was that Do you think International community can annoy Chine. Brother and sisters, same applies to India as why others would listen to Pakistan what ever the case may be. Its all about ECONOMY!!! Trust me and people in Pak, YOU have to win this. How you do it, up to you.
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