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‘We have killed all the children... What do we do now?’

Updated Dec 18, 2014 12:33pm


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Pakistani security forces take up positions on a road leading to the Army Public School that is under attack. — Reuters/File
Pakistani security forces take up positions on a road leading to the Army Public School that is under attack. — Reuters/File

PESHAWAR: “We have killed all the children in the auditorium,” one of the attackers told his handler. “What do we do now?” he asked. “Wait for the army people, kill them before blowing yourself,” his handler ordered.

This, according to a security official, was one of the last conversations the attackers and their handler had shortly before two remaining suicide bombers charged towards the special operations soldiers positioned just outside the side entrance of the Army Public School’s administration block here on Tuesday.

This and other conversations between the attackers and their handlers during the entire siege of seven and a half hours of the school on Warsak Road form part of an intelligence dossier Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif shared with Afghan authorities on Wednesday.

“Vital elements of intelligence were shared with the authorities concerned with regard to the Peshawar incident,” an Inter-Services Public Relations statement on Gen Sharif’s visit to Afghanistan said.

Pakistan has the names of the attackers and the transcripts of the conversation between one of them, identified as Abuzar, and his handler, ‘commander’ Umar.

Umar Adizai, also known as Umar Naray and Umar Khalifa, is a senior militant from the Frontier Region Peshawar.

Security officials believe he made the calls from Nazian district of Afghanistan’s Nangrahar province and now want the Afghan authorities to take action.

The officials believe that a group of seven militants attacked the school. Five of them blew themselves up inside the administration block and two others outside it.

The attackers entered the building by climbing its rear wall, using a ladder and cutting barbed wire. They all headed for the main auditorium where an instructor was giving a first-aid lesson to students of the school’s senior section.

“Did the attackers have prior knowledge of the congregation in the main hall? We don’t know this yet. This is one of the questions we are trying to find an answer to,” a security official said.

A watchman standing at the rear of the auditorium appears to be the first victim because of a pool of congealed blood splashed in one corner of several steps in the open courtyard.

Finding the rear door closed, the militants charged towards the two main entry and exit doors and this is where the main carnage appears to have taken place, according to a military officer who took part in the counter-assault. Pools of blood at the entrance on both sides bore testimony to the horrific, indiscriminate shooting.

“There were piles of bodies, most dead, some alive. Blood everywhere. I wish I had not seen this,” the officer said.

The students in the hall appear to have rushed to leave the place after hearing the first round of shooting, and this was where they barged into the waiting militants who were blocking the two doors.

Inside the main hall, there was blood everywhere, almost on every inch of it. Shoes of students and women teachers lay asunder. Those who had hid behind rows of seats were shot -- one by one, in the head.

More than 100 bodies and injured were evacuated from the entrances and the hall.

Every row of seats was bloodied. On one seat, there were blood-stained English notebooks of two eighth-grade students, Muhammad Asim and Muhammad Zahid.

A corner to the right of the stage in the auditorium, where an instructor was giving the lesson, was where a woman teacher, who had beseeched the militants to have mercy and let the children go, was shot and later burnt.

By that time, the Special Services Group (SSG) men had arrived and fighting had ensued and the militants were forced to make a run for the administration block, just a few metres away.

Security officials believe the death toll could have been far higher had the militants reached the junior section before the arrival of the SSG personnel.

It is from inside the administration block that the militants fired at the SSG men. Four of the militants blew themselves up inside the lobby of the block when they were cornered.

The impact was huge and devastating. There were pockmarks from the flying ball bearings and human flesh and hair were plastered to the ceiling and the walls.

One of the bombers blew himself up in the office of the Headmistress, Tahira Qazi. Her office stands gutted. Her body was recognised later. A leg of the bomber was lying around.

Two students and three staff members were killed in the administration block along with the headmistress.

The last two bombers charged towards the SSG men who had taken positions on either side of the flank entrance to the block.

One of them exploded himself and after a while, the second one did. Shrapnel and ball bearings hit the rear wall, some pierced through the trees opposite the entrance.

This is where the seven SSG men were injured. One of the personnel who had taken position behind one of the trees was hit in the face, but is reported to be in stable condition.

The assault came to an end but left several questions.

Could the tragedy have been avoided? Yes, given prior specific intelligence tips of August and repeated conveyance of concerns by some teachers regarding the school’s vulnerability vis-a-vis its western and northern boundary walls.

Could the casualties have been avoided or minimised? Probably not, given the short response time. By the time the SSG men arrived and began the operation within 10 to 15 minutes of the assault, the militants had carried out much of the carnage.

There was no clarity on the number of militants and their location. The SSG team arrived through the front gate covered by two armoured personnel carriers. As they moved from block to block, the first major priority was to secure the junior section.

Published in Dawn, December 18th, 2014


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Owais Mangal Dec 18, 2014 08:05am

Dawn: Please keep neighbors' comments out of sight.

musa Dec 18, 2014 08:05am

if the attackers blew themselves up, how come the bodies of the terrorists that they showed were all intact? :/

samar Dec 18, 2014 08:07am

My question is didn't the authorities know schools were targets let alone an army school.....not long ago when a suicide bomber entered a kpk school and a student sacrificed his life to stop him.

Atif Dec 18, 2014 08:09am

Don't have words.

Kashif Jilani Dec 18, 2014 08:12am

Tears, taers, taers ... nothing else.

anush Dec 18, 2014 08:24am

Please show proof and let all the accused be tried in an Afgan court.

Yogesh Dec 18, 2014 08:30am

And this stupid Hafeez Saeed is Blaming India and Modi for this cowardly attack. Waah! This is what we are getting for being united with Pakistan on this sad day!

pakpatriotic Dec 18, 2014 08:33am

please close the afghan-pak border

Pc Dec 18, 2014 08:33am

What an irony of fate. After the Mumbai attack when India begged and requested Pakistan with the transcription of the terrorist talks ; Pakistan did nothing and now they expect Afghanistan to do something which Pakistan refused to do. unless Pakistan accepts pain of neighbours and acts to eradicate it; terrorism will not be defeated.

Paggri sanbhaal Dec 18, 2014 08:34am

We want tangible action against Mullah Fazal and ilks.The committee formed by the spineless government is perhaps the 150th in the row.

BALASUBRAMANIAN Dec 18, 2014 08:34am

It scares me to visualise the future of PAKISTAN.Will it be able to erase the fundamentalist terror maniacs from the face of the earth or succumb to it and end up under Taliban rule. Is it time for those who can afford it to quit Pakistan and settle in foreign soil now., as nazi germany some resourceful Jews left

Hammad Dec 18, 2014 08:40am

Despicable barbarians!!!

Pakfan23 Dec 18, 2014 08:44am

I believe SSG folks did a superb job. They should be saluted for preventing further carnage.

Abdul Dec 18, 2014 08:48am

I think good response time and job by SSG. We want these militants from Afghanistan even if we have to put boots on the ground. We will never forget and never forgive them.

jshehri37 Dec 18, 2014 08:52am

It is very easy for terrorists to assume Muslim names, grow a beard, do henious acts of crime, and then take responsibility for it just to give an impression that all was fueled by religious extremism. Then media all over the world says that muslim extremists used religion to justify their acts. I request readers to please refrain from jumping onto making conclusions. Uncircumcised bodies of suicide bombers have been found in the past. The rest you can understand. My point is that Pakistan has been caught in a messy web of nasty politics and Pakistanis continue to pay a price for this. Sadly, Pakistan's leadership itself is a key player of this dirty mess. The separation of East Pakistan is a live example of this. May God bless the people of this country who continue to suffer and may they get enough courage to not only raise their voice against injustices but also to snatch justice from corrupt rulers!

Faisal Bajwa Dec 18, 2014 08:53am

Anti-terror operations by police should begin all over the country as the counter-terror operations are being carried out be the military.

Indian Dec 18, 2014 08:54am

We also have Mumbai attack telephone conversation transcripts, satellite phone coordinates of origin and path, conversation but Pak govt doesn't approve those as proof.

Not sure why they are trusting such proofs now.

Amit Dec 18, 2014 09:00am

For once I thought you are highlighting the lines Kasab said from TajMahal Hotel, Mumbai. I sincerely hope Pakistan is able to get both the attacker & 'commander' from Afghanistan & don't see the same guy doing rallies on the streets of Kabul.

saju Dec 18, 2014 09:01am

May the souls rest in piece. In kerala there is a saying " smaller the coffin the heavier it becomes to carry". Pakistan we are with u at this difficult moment

Culture Vulture Dec 18, 2014 09:02am

Now it is very important to learn the lesson from this carnage and beefing up security in other military or non-military schools. It is important to train school staff, teachers and even children to evacuate school in an orderly fashion given the construction and other design related features of school building. In fact, in our schools there is no room for evacuation of hundreds of children in case of fire or earthquakes.

And last but not the least, the difference between this attack and the next attack in effective intelligence network. Had intelligence agencies penetrated in TTP, this kind of attacks would have been averted. Anyhow, it is now high time to reevaluated the strategies to fight the menace of terrorism and be proactive to eliminate them effectively.

Neeraj Dec 18, 2014 09:02am

How could you beasts? How could you hurt those little angels? My heart aches, and it will keep doing so I do not know for how long.

Bivin Dec 18, 2014 09:05am

I dont about how to react to this but defintely the people who had witnessed this carnage, would be weeping every hour be it an Army Man, i must say people who did this carnivour cant be call'd as human or of any life form, because any life form does have heart and even animals dont do these kind of things. These laid little flowers or angels were dreams of their parents and do we know how many of them may be was lone flowers of their loved parents and for some parents little flowers were exceptionally loved since they might have got the opportunity to become parents after much of medical struggle, People of pakistan we as Indian stand along with you on this crisis, lets change our mind set and eradicate this virus once and for all. India-stands-with you.

ROBIN- New Delhi Dec 18, 2014 09:07am

no words to say......just pure anger and hatred towards the handlers and the terrorists who did this act......curse be on them and may they rot forever

Humanity Dec 18, 2014 09:11am

The response from Quick Response Force should be much quicker. In every major city, there should be a quick response force ready with the helicopter to reach any location within 5 to 7 minutes. Had they reached earlier, many precious lives could have been saved.

Faiza Dec 18, 2014 09:13am

reading this makes me so angry!!

Malik Achakzai Dec 18, 2014 09:20am

Sad our intelligence agencies were sleeping when the plans of attack were taking place, or probably they were doing something else important than securing children.

Jainy Dec 18, 2014 09:22am

Crush them all along with their informers. Quick action is required and hang them in Public Places.

Think Tank Dec 18, 2014 09:26am

I think as a failing nation Pakistan should consider bringing some observers from US , UK, Germany and France to sit on top of their Political system and oversee everydayt Government operations... If not soon PAKISTAN is going to be a FAILED STATE.. Citizens are going to die everyday

ghanshyam Dec 18, 2014 09:31am

I have no words to condemn this babaric act. Hope the army too don't target the kids of Taliban.

Raju Dec 18, 2014 09:36am

This is so painful to read

manzoor choudhry Dec 18, 2014 09:38am

Pakistan Judiciary and police are highly corrupt.These two agencies are corrupted by corrupt leadership.Till judicial system and police system is not corrected,such tregetic incident will keep happening.Nawaz Sharif Govt. or Zardari family will care for their safety only.Jamat-e-islami has played dirtiest role in the present national crisis.Imran khan must now pay attention only on Khyber Pakhtoon affairs and set the role model,if he can?

Achakzai Qublai Dec 18, 2014 09:41am

Heart wrenching details...

IBN E ASHFAQUE Dec 18, 2014 09:41am

Sadly the non-registered SIMs are still being used in the country. Can the Government (NS) ensure that only registered SIMs are used in Pakistan. I know that a lot of money is made via unregistered SIMs. However, the life of our children are more valuable than currency notes. Please democratic government have a heart ban the unregistered SIms as they are a source of death and terror for the very ordinary citizens of Pakistan. Can the political as well as democratic as well as heavy mandate government of Pakistan please......please....ban the unregistered SIMs or is this too much to ask?

Shahid Anwar Dec 18, 2014 09:55am

How it is possible to remember this incidence for ever? As nation should not forget this incidence. My suggestion is to prepare a wall in APS-Peshawar & mentioned all names who died. We want to solute these kids for ever or any other suggestion do u have? Shahid Anwar - Lahore

dr vimal Dec 18, 2014 10:19am

The irony in this tragedy is that the innocent kids praying inside, the barbarians shooting them and the anguish of the nation: all in name of Allah.

Jasim Khan Dec 18, 2014 10:25am

My Lord how do we reconcile with this savagery? Can we have a new idiom in the English language to describe our pain and suffering after witnessing this?

PakPower Dec 18, 2014 10:30am

Utter atrocity. It pains me read these horrific details but at the same time I am forced more than ever to beseech Allah Almighty to punish these cowards shaming humanity and Islam.

Krishna Dec 18, 2014 10:32am

The TTP members should be arrested, deradicalized and allowed to join the mainstream to live a productive life.

M. Omar Dec 18, 2014 10:36am

How does the army know the exact conversation? Does that mean they had been monitoring the terrorists before hand and knowledge of their cell phone numbers. Just kind of curious. If they did know them before hand why were they not stopped before they carried out this attack. I am baffled. Or is this all made up, this whole conversation.

Tejas godiwala Dec 18, 2014 10:36am

When your enemy kills your children, do you acknowledge that he is your enemy.

Your brothers in the east are still your brothers!

We may disagree with you, but we still are your Bhai jaans.


Ali Abbasi Dec 18, 2014 10:36am

So all six of them blew themselves up before they could be killed by the SSG?

adnan rao Dec 18, 2014 10:40am


Bye Bye Dec 18, 2014 10:47am

Why no preemptive action is ever undertaken by our so called smart intelligence services while claims are always made that we had prior information and intelligence reports of a possible attack.

If everything that is wrong in the country is to be corrected by army who in reality can not even safeguard their own installations including headquarters, why do not we do away with such huge incapable good for nothing legislative and administrative bodies.

Secondly, I fail to understand why armed forces are held so high and enjoy the image of piety and limitless expectations are dreamed of, whereas they have failed miserably several times over in their (mis)adventures.

Mr. K Dec 18, 2014 10:59am

A tragedy and I am ashamed to be a Pakistani this day...

Bye Bye Dec 18, 2014 11:00am

"By the time the SSG men arrived and began the operation within 10 to 15 minutes of the assault, the militants had carried out much of the carnage."

"This and other conversations between the attackers and their handlers during the entire siege of seven and a half hours of the school"

10 to 15 minutes in total carnage, then what were they doing for seven long hours. SO CONTRADICTORY.

Why does the report not name the (un)security official who is making these statements?.

Naveed Dec 18, 2014 11:06am

I request every Pakistani, sitting in every corner of the world should unit and show your strength by raising your voice, where ever you can and however you can. Am still in shook and tears come out literally but am angry too as why am not seeing or hearing big gathering of Pakistanis around the globe to raise the voice against this violence act. We have to help ourselves and please do not look for anybody else, stand up now and seek Allah's help only. Allah may give the strength to everybody and especially the victim families to bear this pain full time.

Sonny Afridi Dec 18, 2014 11:09am

@musa 4 of the terrorists were shot dead by SSG Special Forces before they could explode themselves

Sonny Afridi Dec 18, 2014 11:10am

@anush So they can be released? TTP is being given sanctuary in Afghanistan, courtesy of RAW and its local assets in Afghanistan. This we already know.

Tamza Dec 18, 2014 11:13am

@Indian So, is this INDIAN retaliation?

"There have been many bombings in Mumbai since the 13 coordinated bomb explosions that killed 257 people and injured 700 on 12 March 1993.The 1993 attacks are believed to have been in retaliation for the Babri Mosque demolition."

Naveed Dec 18, 2014 11:13am

I request every Pakistani, sitting in every corner of the world should unit and show your strength by raising your voice, where ever you can and however you can. Am still in shook and tears come out literally but am angry too as why am not seeing or hearing big gathering of Pakistanis around the globe to raise the voice against this violence act. We have to help ourselves and please do not look for anybody else, stand up now and seek Allah's help only. Allah may give the strength to everybody and especially the victim families to bear this pain full time

javed Dec 18, 2014 11:17am

Even if there were 10 security guards at the school in Peshawar, they would not have stopped the attack since it was pre-planned. It seems human intelligence has played a key role in this deadly attack.

bingo Dec 18, 2014 11:18am

need census and let anybody out who is not belongs to this country. also make citizens vigilant and put private watches on the streets and schools. in war times what we do? put volunteers on watch, this is not responsibility only military, government or else this is all hands responsibility.

bingo Dec 18, 2014 11:20am

@Yogesh because they are supporting from our backyard in afghanistan. india have bing hand in it.

kulwant singh Dec 18, 2014 11:21am

@Owais Mangal Pity on people like u please keep this hatred for some other time.

Ali Dec 18, 2014 11:21am

@Pc -why Pakistan team was not allowed to meet kasab? If u want our courts to try the person then be brave and should have allowed our team to meet kasab. You talk about sympathies, this is how u show your real sympathy which we don't need and we will take care of it. You go fix your logic

Musafir Dec 18, 2014 11:29am

@saju Thank you for your thoughtfulness. This is much appreciated in the face of this tragedy.

nasser Dec 18, 2014 11:35am

I am an incurable Pashtun nationalist, but please fence, fence and fence the Durand Line or you will not have peace in both Pakistan and Afghanistan in another one thousand years!

Sabir Dec 18, 2014 11:36am

@Yogesh even we give our heart and soul to these people we Indians would still be labelled as conspirators.

Proud Shiite Muslim from Mumbai , india.

Vikas Gaur Dec 18, 2014 11:38am

RIP little brave hearts...Complete India is crying for you...May god give strength to bereaved families....

akkk Dec 18, 2014 11:40am

@Indian well first thing is if there is any bird killed in India your media and everyone immediately blames it on Pakistan without any proof. And now when people are saying there are proofs India is involved so why can't you swallow it? Your modi is convicted murderer of more than 2000 Muslims what else?

khalid Dec 18, 2014 11:40am

Sir, I know it is the paper's job to keep on updating any new news that turns up after an incident but do you even realize what kind of pain the fine detailing that you are trying to publish must cause to the parents.

Syed Wajid Abdi Dec 18, 2014 11:48am

Afghanistan should be dealt with sternly! Secondly, no mercy for any criminals, third, capital punishment should be restored. All terrorists captured so far should be stoned to death forthwith! Its time to hold all those who, in one way or the supporting terrorism, accountable! Let justice prevail in the country!

Syed Wajid Abdi Dec 18, 2014 11:50am

Very good question by Mr. Musa! Yeah how come? The nation would like to know the truth!

Syed Wajid Abdi Dec 18, 2014 11:52am

@saju thank you Mr. Saju

Naveed Dec 18, 2014 11:52am

I request every Pakistani, sitting in every corner of the world should unit and show your strength by raising your voice, where ever you can and however you can. Am still in shook and tears come out literally but am angry too as why am not seeing or hearing big gathering of Pakistanis around the globe to raise the voice against this violence act. We have to help ourselves and please do not look for anybody else, stand up now and seek Allah's help only. Allah may give the strength to everybody and especially the victim families to bear this pain full time

GT Dec 18, 2014 12:07pm

What a tragedy! This was a very cowardly and desperate act. Hope pakistan govt. atleast now open their eyes and act against all terrorists irrespective of the cause they are fighting for.

rana1 Dec 18, 2014 12:10pm

@Pc .....Mr.Geelani provided all the prove to president Singh and it was a dossier, wherein Baramdagh Bugti was named and also pictures taken of him meeting Indian officials.

rana1 Dec 18, 2014 12:17pm

@Pakfan23 ...if Pak intelligence had a lead and no one apprehended, then it means security lapse by Pakistan police and forces. These people came in a van and nowhere its stopped.

Javed Dec 18, 2014 12:19pm

Similar conversation recordings and details were provided after Mumbai attacks? How many have been brought to justice?

Pro PTI Dec 18, 2014 12:22pm

When KPK govt is going to resign?

rahul1 Dec 18, 2014 12:27pm

@Yogesh Don't worry Hafeez will soon run out of business. People in Pak can understand his rants are untrue nd merely for his own survival & relevance

graphicalmanx Dec 18, 2014 12:28pm

@Indian If you have them, then why did you not stop them ?

rahul1 Dec 18, 2014 12:29pm

Saddest event! Gruesome memories of 2008 Mumbai attacks revived - difficult to book 'stateless' actors

Niaz H. Jafri Dec 18, 2014 12:29pm

@Yogesh This is Hafiz Saeed's individual act. Have you heard it from any of the stakeholders?

Niaz H. Jafri Dec 18, 2014 12:30pm

@Sabir Disgusted:(

Umer Khalil Dec 18, 2014 12:33pm

If US can send the drones from Afghanistan to kill there suspects in our territory, why cant we send our drones/jets to Afghanistan to target those who has butchered our children?

Muhammad Bajwa Dec 18, 2014 12:41pm

Last night Pakistan should have lifted Kharasani and Fazlullah from Afghan territory for bringing to justice.

Dollars and our security could not go side by side.

Swet more to live but don't bleed.

United we stand.

NS Dec 18, 2014 12:43pm

Change the face of the "enemy" in your minds, Pakistan. It s not outside but within your borders. If there was a time for war, it s NOW......war against terror. Kill these cockroaches, all of them, before they kill all your children. They blow themselves up after the operation anyway. Wipe them from your land before they turn your land into a wasteland. Hello Pak army! Your job is to protect your nation from enemy. Why aren't you doing your job? I'm angry, angry, angry!

saz Dec 18, 2014 12:52pm

@Tejas godiwala thank you Bhai jaan. I think you need to recognize that every Pakistani did not support Ajmal Kassab or hafiz Saeed..In fact majority dud not support any one of them. Ajmal as far as I know belong to very poor family misused by fanatic group. I felt pain for those who were killed in Mumbai as well as for his poor parents. The terrorists have ruined a bright future if young man and made him terrorists. Pakistan is poor country and her inhabitants are providing Hence international conspirators exploiting poor people to do insane and barbaric activities. Its easy to exploit people in the name of religion or money. But still as PK nation we don't support to harm neighbours. Corruption and injustice has ruined many youngsters. Main responsibility of corruption, injustice and class differences goes to PK political leadership. I am not sure if India has same problems.

ahmed Dec 18, 2014 12:53pm

@Malik Achakzai they are securing your children instead of securing their own.

omer khan shaheen Dec 18, 2014 01:01pm

@anush "Rest assured!," Pakistan will locate and take out all those who are involved in slaughtering babies. Irrespective where they are from, based, trained and by whom they are trained, directly and indirectly, locally and internationally. This is how justice will be served ,and yes! people will get their chance of seeing proofs before action is taken.

zaheer Dec 18, 2014 01:02pm

@jshehri37: Just accept it, don't be in denial. Things won't change if people like you remain in this mind set.

Sumit Chaudhary Dec 18, 2014 01:03pm

What to do now..? Lets blame our eastern neighbor like many are doing for this also, and hope to see anger in people subdue. RIP little souls. I wish people at the helm care for your sacrifice someday or the other, and have guts to stand upto mentality of the likes of hafiz saeed.

Raza Dec 18, 2014 01:04pm

What about Mr. Musharraf and Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed's statement : India is responsible for Peshawar attack. Are they serious or just a blame game?

tauseef Dec 18, 2014 01:07pm

This is a collective failure of the leadership and the nation to stop this barbaric incident. The nation is witnessing the terrorism since last ten years and have yet to decide a concrete long term policy to root out the extremism and terrorism. The nation and its leaders are confused and as the present scenario needs a leadership who can tackle the clear and present danger which has jolted the foundation on which this country is standing. Any delay or negligence will speed up the process of collapse of the country foundation.

Waqas Dec 18, 2014 01:18pm

@Yogesh, Pakistan truly values the condolences from the Indian 'people', however it is the Indian 'government' Pakistan holds responsible who has been using TTP and other proxy groups as killing machines inside Pakistan, through Afghanistan. A little research will speak for itself.

SImilarly, the Mumbai Shootings were done by the same groups that are trained and handled by the Indian Authorities, as a false flag operation. Again a little research is required.

This attack was not only on the Pakistanis but humanity as a whole, which sent a wave of shock throughout the whole world.

Waqas Dec 18, 2014 01:19pm

@musa, only 4-5 of the 7 blew themselves up.

Samad Chaudhry Dec 18, 2014 01:19pm

The saddest black day in the history of Pakistan Let us not blame each other and outside hands Let us clean our own house first and have unity instead of playing games of politicians. A TV channel criticized Imran Khan for stopping Dharnas while he has acted wisely. Let us all unite and fight to eradicate this evil. Media has a big responsibility. Support these efforts of united front.

Waqas Dec 18, 2014 01:22pm

@Pc, Pakistan responded with similar evidences indicating that these groups are being trained and handled by the Indian Raw. Pakistan cannot fight these Proxy Groups on their own and will need a combined effort by the Indian and Afghan Intelligence Agencies.

Muhammad Omer Khan Dec 18, 2014 01:22pm

@Yogesh why not, it was Modi who said he'll give pain to Pakistan. When you became a nuclear power and threatened to nuke Pakistan, did you not know that children will die too? When Modi oversaw the Gujrat massacre, were children not killed? Modi is a known crminal, so are the members of RAW. Known criminals should be accused, and if guilty, should be punished.

azhar Dec 18, 2014 01:42pm

I am so sad with entire nation on this incident. I do pray from Allah that we should learn from this. We should save our nation. One day from us have to answerable what we did for our kids. Its time to be together, forgetting our past, stop blaming to each other. Work for the betterment of our country by sincerely, otherwise we have no option left.

I pray for all those who left forever. All are shaheed. I do pray for all their parents who are suffering from it. Allah give them sabir to bear all this unforgettable tragic incidence. ameen

Salma Dec 18, 2014 01:48pm

If they had no remorse when they persecuted the so called "others", and if our hearts did not grieve when the so called "others" were maimed and tortured and killed, could we have expected any better? The frog that brought the snake to the pond was not safer than the frogs which it wished to get rid off. Frogs in deep ponds? Is that what Pakistani citizens are? Time to ask these hard questions and take concrete steps. This is not the time to look for scapegoats, but to call the bluff of the selfish Mullah, of the selfish politician, of the indifferent me and my neighbor, of the glib articulator who will rationalize and deny.Our enemies are our own creation.

RETHEEV Dec 18, 2014 01:49pm

@Owais Mangal Neighbours are saying bitter truth.

Tariq Gulzar Dec 18, 2014 01:56pm

I swear upon God Almighty that we will take revenge of this and will take hasab of ever drop of blood in this world and hereafter.

Raju Dec 18, 2014 02:00pm

This act of killing is much more than terrorism. Inhuman.

Fawad Dec 18, 2014 02:06pm

@Owais Mangal no they won't do. You know the reason bro

A Concerned Global Citizen Dec 18, 2014 02:15pm

Welcome to the growing influence of Salafism and Salafi money in Pakistan. This form of Islam leads to dehumanizing everybody who is different, as opposed to the sufi form of Islam that seems to formerly have been dominant in Pakistan. Now it seems Salafi sentiments about Islam are everywhere. Please correct me if I am wrong, because it certainly seems that way to someone on the outside looking in...

Meanwhile, my prayers go out to the families of the slain, and for the souls of the murdered.

Indian Dec 18, 2014 02:15pm

@Vikas Gaur No one is crying.

Khattak Dec 18, 2014 02:16pm

There is something very odd with reporting of this tragedy, it took more than 6 hours for the terrorist to kill or injure close to 300. Account narrated by students to the main stream media shows that they started killing with knives when they have no more bullets. There need to be thorough evaluation of the conduct of this rescue operation. We need to have a take away from this. Could there be a possibility to save more lives? It is hard to stop such committed suicide bombers but we are talking about many more these sort of tragedies in line in the foreseeable future. Unrealistic approach or false bravado is not going to help these very unfortunate circumstances.

Muhammad Shuaib Dec 18, 2014 02:17pm

"Pakistani security forces takes up a positions on a road leading to the Army Public School that is under attack. — Reuters/File" I believe the correct sentence would be

"Pakistani security forces take up positions on a road leading to the Army Public School that is under attack. — Reuters/File"

Grammatical mistakes like these(on daily basis) are not expected in DAWN, the oldest English-language newspaper of Pakistan.

Sudarshan Dec 18, 2014 02:20pm

Heart wrentching..... Can't even read complete details of the news.......

Mazin Dec 18, 2014 02:21pm

@Owais Mangal And why should that be? Should your neighbors not know of the evil happening in your backyard?

Abruddin Salam Dec 18, 2014 02:23pm

@Owais Mangal - if you don't learn this time, you will meet the same fate every week. Better you change and let Pakistan live peacefully.

Feroz Dec 18, 2014 02:26pm

This is a tragedy beyond belief and comprehension. I condemn this attack unequivocally, my words unable to do justice to my feelings. The masterminds of this and other attacks will never ever be able to evade Divine Justice. I can offer nothing but heart felt condolences to the affected families. May the Almighty give them strength, solace and succour !

joe Dec 18, 2014 02:26pm

This and other conversations between the attackers and their handlers during the entire siege of seven and a half hours of the school on Warsak Road form part of an intelligence dossier Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif shared with Afghan authorities on Wednesday.

India also handed over complete conversation of Mumbai handlers who were operating from Karachi..To nail them in court of law voice samples of Hafee were requested..Has Pakistan provided that till today.??? How can you ask for help when you refuse to give it...I am sure this great human carnage will open the eyes of support of terrorism..

dilip Dec 18, 2014 02:28pm

@akkk Who told you that Modi ever convicted. He was not even chargesheeted. But SUPREME COURT monitored inquiry found not guilty.People like you are sinking Pakistan.

irfan Dec 18, 2014 02:38pm

Why do you publish fake comments by some fake Indian readers, I know India more than you, and no one there gives a dime to Pakistani newspapers.

logic Dec 18, 2014 02:52pm

@jshehri37 Still in denial? Good!

Shafiq khan Dec 18, 2014 03:05pm

@Pc Pointing fingures do not help. If you are honest there are many shortcomings on many sides. We felt the pain of Mumbai tragedy, we have suffered a lot and have given refuge to millions of Afgan citizens for years. We know the price of terriorists presence in the society. Please do not get into a partisan groove, unless it gives you some satisfaction of being superior in some self delusionary way. We mst greave together for all those suffered unjustly.

Shafiq khan Dec 18, 2014 03:16pm

@Indian you Sir are right and we are always wrong. Does that ease the pain ? Your information and my information all comes from the newspapers. Do you think it is the gospel truth ? If so we well never agree. Indian lose or Pakistani lose hurts all the same.

FATIMA Dec 18, 2014 03:16pm

speechless.......heart 1998 i was studying in 6th grade in Pakistan Airforce school Peshawar,just near to Army public school, went for a debate competition there,won.........still remember it.........on the day of massacre i was having my night shift as a doctor in a UK hospital, when one of the nurses told me that there is a sad news about your country on BBC....n when i saw the news...i was just crying...could not believe my eyes and ears.........the questions now are who is funding them?( surely they dont grow gold in waziristan to fund all this), how can our intelligence service be strenghthened to have the inside report from before anything like this can happen? how to be prepared around EVERY vulnerable place? HOW TO PUT AN END TO THIS VICIOUS CYCLE( army n gov attacking them to end terrorism and the attack back) ?????? ....this is a clear case of internal enemy being funded by the external ones!!!!...they just pay, sit and watch!!!!,,,n fools like us kill our own ppl in the name of islam!!!

Shafiq khan Dec 18, 2014 03:21pm

@Culture Vulture In all British schools the enterance iscalways controlled, even the parents need specific permission to entre. It has been the sace for a number of years. PAKISTAN needs greater diligence around schools. A tired old man earning a few bits after retirement is not the answer.

FATIMA Dec 18, 2014 03:21pm

@Pc MUMBAI attacks were planned by india itself to blame Pak wrongly!!!....why do you think there were NO casualties.....!!!...indian retired army general confessed himself that it was planned to put a false blame on Pakland to defame......and plz dont interfare when the alk is between afganistan n Pak.....not india....or you think it is true what is said that india is allying with afghanistan to damage so then you can comment

pakistani Dec 18, 2014 03:22pm

@Pakfan23 exactly.They could have double and triple damage if SSG guys did not perform such sacrifice to save the rest.Though it was a failure and big failure of intelligence.

Navpreet Khangura Dec 18, 2014 03:23pm

So much anger and sympathy all over the world for this incidence is understandable. My deep sympathy and condolences to the families of the victims. But few months back when Israel was massacring hundreds of innocent people, there was no such reaction. Why? Terrorism has no nationality, religion or organisation. When will the world learn this?

Siraj Ahmed Dec 18, 2014 03:34pm

Believe me, we will never change. These incidents will be repeated as we go back to our old ways.

FATIMA Dec 18, 2014 03:37pm

this is exactly what the WAAR movie showed and this is exactly what is happeneing.......external enemy posing as internal ppl,hiring internal (ghaddar) ppl to kill us from inside.........the question is how to stop this and counteract at the external enemy as well!!!......may God be with us all in fininshinh these in human enemies and traitors,amen!!!

Sangraiz Dec 18, 2014 03:53pm

@anush I believe you are yet to study international law and bilateral treaties. You have the right to ask a foreign country to extradite the person who is your citizen, has committed a crime in his home country and hiding in the host country. You cannot ask a country to hand over their citizen to you!. I hope you can understand this concept written in basic English.

baljit S Dec 18, 2014 03:57pm

But why are Pakistan's common people blaming India for this attack? All proofs point towards Afghanistan.

yogi Dec 18, 2014 04:20pm

The tragedy is effect of euphoric Pakistan who thought they could do business in name of terror. Children reborn in peaceful Pakistan, when time prevails.

Gfellow Dec 18, 2014 04:26pm

@omer khan shaheen That will be great. What stops Pakistan from doing the same for all the Hazaras murders.

butseriouslyok Dec 18, 2014 04:59pm

Meanwhile in Dawn - ATC approves bail of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi in Mumbai attacks case

joe Dec 18, 2014 05:14pm

@Owais Mangal

joe Dec 18, 2014 05:18pm

Nawaz, Gen Raheel, please close SHUT down Afghan border.

joe Dec 18, 2014 05:18pm

Close Afghan Border

RS Dec 18, 2014 05:19pm

Please release the doctor who helped USA to catch Osama Bin Laden. Otherwise these all are crocodile tears and these kind of terrorist attacks will continue. We are capable of eliminating terrorism. We just need to change our attitude. Terrorist is a terrorist, let's be clear that there's no such thing called Jihad.

joe Dec 18, 2014 05:20pm

many Thanks to India and Indian people for standing with us in this sad times. jai Hind

Puru Dec 18, 2014 05:23pm

@Owais Mangal Your neighbors stand with you in this moment of tragedy. Do not worry.

Gawal Mandi ya in Texas Dec 18, 2014 05:32pm

@Pc, I couldn't agree more.Double standards of the government will continue to cost the people of Pakistan,this is the time to get out on the streets,this is the time to raise your voice.

Atif Khan Dec 18, 2014 05:51pm

@Yogesh Why are listing to Hafeez? Who is he? Is it not obvious who will he blamed

Nadeem Chaudhry Dec 18, 2014 06:03pm

A crime secene open to press and public within 24 hours of the crime?! Only in Pakistan!

M.M.Sherazi Dec 18, 2014 06:17pm

Awful and painful to the core of heart and mind, this tragic and barbaric incident should not pass without wiping out every single terrorist in the country.

hamida Dec 18, 2014 06:46pm

@anush could the accused ones be tried in a pk court as well, starting from 1996 cases?

Akhter Husain Dec 18, 2014 06:59pm

It is really disgusting to read and listen to print and e-media,who take no time to declare,after every such incident, that our institutions are lacking in efficiency and competence,without realizing that we are in a state of war since about a decade and that the enemy is well rooted in our society,specially in the religious one.Our intellectuals of media should not under rate the enemy,who has all the modern equipment to carry out their operations Our institutions have thwarted hundreds of such occurrences by apprehending perpetrators before they could do any harm.For God's sake be a real intellectual,reporter anchor and journalist.Do not create mistrust in our intelligence agencies.

Josh Dec 18, 2014 07:09pm

@Think Tank Even though your comment sounds like “goray ki ghulami” I agree with you: we need foreign help in running an unbiased and efficient administration in Pakistan.

For example, we need some foreigner Police Offices to be recruited at all levels: investigators, SHOs, DSPs, SPs, etc. (We cannot put a figurehead at the top and expect all to fall in line.) Certain judiciary members need to be foreigners as well.

It is highly important that we find experts from neutral nations such as Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, etc. Nations such as US, UK, Canada, have tainted reputation in Pakistan; we should avoid them.

Lastly, it is critical that we invest in our educational system and – using modern technology – find ways to provide education to every child and many adults. This is a longer but the most solid way to build a nation.

JAVED AKHTAR Dec 18, 2014 07:28pm

Very sad incident in the history of Pakistan ever. Pakistan should learn a lesson from Sri Lanka who uprooted LTTE from Sri Lanka for ever. Then why not Pakistani Military do so to eradict taliban from its land. Our sympathy with Pakistani People who lost their child. Very brutal incident we condemn it whether it happens in any part of the world. I think both India and Pakistan should make a collective effort to fight with Taliban or its equivalent groups. AN INDIAN

JABBAR Dec 18, 2014 07:32pm

As terrorist already dead. Pakistani authorities can close the case. No evidence. Even if they arrest anyone the court can say no eye witness and let them free wireless conversation is no evidence for Pak Court. A sad Indian Muslim

tango Dec 18, 2014 07:39pm

A message to all Indians commenting on this site. We are not accusing all Indians. You must understand your agency is supporting the Taliban cause and helping them with weapons and other technology that enables them to carry out these attacks, I agree that RAW has not asked them for this type of attack on innocent children because they are not savages, but the people they are equipping and training are and will not hesitate to do this again and again until they are eliminated. My thanks to all simple and sincere humanity loving Indians who are also grieving like us and showing their support, please understand that we do not hate you, we hate the support of Taliban that your agencies provide. Both countries must stop supporting terrorists in any form or fashion.

pragmaticpakistani Dec 18, 2014 07:43pm

Security agencies are too busy proping up dharnas and playing godfather of pakistani politics.If they paid half as much attention to the security issues that they do to twist the arms of political parties ,Pakistan would be free of the menace of terrorism.

Mohyal Dec 18, 2014 07:51pm

Sad to say this, but seeing these transcripts of terrorists talking to their handlers getting handed over to the neighbour... seems like deja vu. Hope at least Pakistan is able to get justice for its victims. India didnt have the guts, but would suggest Pakistan goes after the taliban leaders in Afghanistan. At least there is no nuclear deterrent. Go get them

Asif Dec 18, 2014 07:54pm

@saju How true. Tears in my eyes as I write this.

Huda Dec 18, 2014 08:09pm

@Indian Pakistan has been subjected to a great deal of Political turmoils, that the government has ignored the state itself, let alone the tragedy at Mumbai. The hearts of the community have bled after the Peshawar Massacre, the government is itself traumatized, and I truly pray that this puts enough pressure on authorities to address the issue of terrorism -be it in Palistan itself, or any related incidents elsewhere.

Dr. Sadaf Dec 18, 2014 09:51pm

@baljit S , are u really so innocent. What are your consulates doing on Pak-Afghan border.

irfan Dec 18, 2014 10:00pm

'' began the operation within 10 to 15 minutes of the assault '' . 10 to 15 Minutes is too much time . If we had given any thought to train Police , causalities number could have been reduced .

The precious time was wasted for the arrival of Army and SSG . Police have resist a little bit , if they have been trained.

Naeem Syed Dec 18, 2014 11:42pm

@saju Thank you.

isarivelan Dec 19, 2014 08:28am

@Syed Wajid Abdi

Don't be emotional and ignorant? Look at the facts, Afghanistan suffered because of terrorist coming from Pakistan. Where is Mullah Omar? Is he not in Pakistan? Don't be selective in targeting militants? If you are selective, terrorist attacks like these will keep happening.

Saif Dec 19, 2014 08:43am

When will we have accountability on the intell failure?

Whistle Dec 19, 2014 08:51am

Let us free Lakhvi for his actions. And let him do more to protect Pakistan from the evil. You guys never learn from your past or present.

Varntvar Dec 19, 2014 09:18am

Untill you convict Hafiz Saeed and Lakhvi, nothing will change. No strategic reason for it.... Just Karma.

Muhammad Dec 19, 2014 09:56am

@Pc Stop dragging Mumbai attacks into this. More than 100 kids have been brutally murdered. Sorry to say but all the terrorism activities happening in Pakistan, India is involved directly or indirectly.

Karim Dec 19, 2014 10:00am

@Bye Bye excellent observation and important question you ask.

Asadali Dec 19, 2014 11:27am

@Yogesh you prove its not india job!

Nitin Gulhane Dec 19, 2014 12:55pm

It is surprising that some Pakistanis think that India would want to do such a thing. Can a Sunni religious extremist Taliban will really work for India? In exchange of money??? Do you really think so?

As far as I know, all Jihadist hate non-Muslims the most. I think every single Taliban would want to bomb India at the slightest opportunity.

However, if a Sunni Arabic hardcore Muslim who believes in Jihad for the resurruction of 'true' Islam can work in exchange of money, I will agree that I don't understand anything in this world at all.

UncleSAM Dec 19, 2014 01:56pm

Wait for more until you realize!!

zarshan ahmed tariq Dec 19, 2014 02:38pm

I think all are mistaken that a fire in his neighbor's backyard would have no effect on him. It is not long time from now that it engulfs all of us. Stop making a fool of yourself by blaming others for that. We should resolve it our self and we can do it. These miscreants have no religion, nationality but they have one thing in common to create a divide. We all here are commenting what we feel is true but we are not looking at the big picture. It has just started.....

sajjad khattak Dec 19, 2014 02:41pm

@Think Tank that has been the plan of the likes of you for decades with failure. Dream on

jp singh Dec 19, 2014 05:06pm

They have our Children and still Govt is inactive to arrest all those and Hanged them in Public Place, but I think , they will do it or could not do it, though they shows their paper Power to the World. . Whe should arrest and bring to Justice--ISI or Civil Judiciary????????

Roger Dec 19, 2014 05:33pm

@Muhammad Omer Khan - Sir, according to Christine Fair, 4000 Shiite Muslims have been killed in Pakistan in the last 10 years. The year 2013, also saw Christians being killed in Lahore - i.e. yet again. 70 of them lost their lives in 2013. Can I assume that the Pakistani government has been 'overseeing' these killings?

Incidentally, we do not have anything like the Hudood law in India, to justify killings. Rioters are taken to court and indicted. If you do not already know, legislators from Modi's Gujarat Government and Cabinet are in jail. Is it time you also spoke about the burning of non-Muslims in Godhra that led to the Gujarat riots, in the same breath so that you don't come across as being 'communally' motivated in your statements?

Reality is that all victims in Gujarat were Indians - and we have a pretty good justice system in the country. You must also know that there has been no communal riots in Gujarat since then.

km khan Dec 19, 2014 05:42pm

Q)we have killed all the children now what do we do now? Ans) make sure you are left with bullets, so that you don't end up with hand to hand combat in the wake some wounded kid get hold of you as it will be very hard for you to fight him then because you sound terrified even when you are fighting with the gun in your hand.better safe then sorry.

N Dec 19, 2014 09:26pm

@Muhammad ...Denials at best!!!

abbas hamadani Dec 19, 2014 10:18pm

A national monument in Islamabad should be erected in memory of the Army public school martyrs with their names etched on the monument. CDA should provide a befitting location for this national monument. This should serve as a reminder for our future generations and an everlasting tribute to the innocent souls.

ahmed Dec 19, 2014 11:43pm

sad words to explain sorrow.

HINDUSTANI Dec 20, 2014 01:27am

@saz really feel sorry for the little children and their parents..May the children RIP god give strength to their parents to bear this unmeasurable loss. . I think some soul searching is necessary and think who ur real enemy is. .What difference it makes whether it is your father or my father ,ur children or my children .It is a loss for all civilized society. Killings in Pakistan or India by these terrorists need to be condemned by all

Zafar Iqbal Dec 20, 2014 03:57am

I went to a candlelight vigil on Wednesday, 17th December evening at DuPont Circle in Washington arranged by the Montgomery County Muslim Council. About 500+ people stood there in silence with burning candles braving very chilly and strong winds. Frankly, I was surprised to see so many people there expressing their grief. Usually, only a small number of people come to such events, but this tragedy affected Washingtonians deeply. The crowd included children, women, and men from diverse nationalities and race. A significant number of media people and officials from Pakistan Embassy were also in attendance. I hope this will send a strong message to supporters/sympathizers of these terrorist organizations that enough is enough and that they should stop killing of innocent civilian and children (using mercenaries). The civilized world and its citizens are waking up.

hayaa Khurshid Dec 20, 2014 05:37am

@Krishna barbarians cannot be rehabilitated as they are not human. They are subterranean beasts. Maybe a circus tamer can train them and keep them in cages to do tricks. that's a better solution.

Ashok Dec 20, 2014 06:02am

Does the Government of PKP not have any responsibility to ensure safety of schools in Peshawar? I think instead of Nawaz Sharif having parleys with Imran Khan should have asked him about it?

Iffat Dec 20, 2014 07:50am

The hall had more children Are they not speaking the truth even now How come bodies of bombers shown if they blew themselves up How come conversations of attackers taped only during attack

just one Dec 20, 2014 09:38am

@anush First and foremost proof is not required...this aint not public trial....second of all if proof is required I want to start with USA 911.....

Gulzar Dec 20, 2014 11:14am

Every solder or police taking part in the running operation shold be given this to read. INDIANS there has been terror from both sides over the years but can u show me one example of such crulity in world history. No one killed the childern in such a planned way. Please stop being adocats of the terrorists. Wrong is wrong done against any one

Punjab,India Dec 20, 2014 01:18pm

Its so painful to see all this,I am feeling like some body killed my children with so cruelty,Feel like crying.May be we all practice different religions but we all are same,same Humans.Now India and Pakistan should stand together to fight against terrorism

SAD Dec 20, 2014 07:58pm

How could you, the heart aches every time something like this happens. But this time you have exceeded all bounds, innocent children suffered. Until each one of you weirdos are terminated from our beloved homeland we will not rest, No mercy this time.

J.B Dec 20, 2014 10:12pm

message to Pakistan government: 'What you sow so you reap'

Krishna Dec 20, 2014 10:21pm

@omer khan shaheen Go protest against Lal Masid moulana. That is a start

confused Dec 21, 2014 05:36am

@pakpatriotic It should not be closed, for humanitarian reasons. For all the terrorists getting shelter in Afghanistan, using this route, many needy persons also use this route to escape the brutalities of terrorists and also to do their routine business. But your thought is commendable for thinking about a solution to stop this kind of attacks. A better solution is needed.

Pravin Dec 21, 2014 03:10pm

@Ali ;Kasab had committed a crime in India and Pak had no business counselling or tutoring him. He acted in India and got punished in India. Period

hanna daneen hayat Dec 21, 2014 07:17pm

@saju thanks brother.

Kalimullah Dec 22, 2014 05:51am

The terrorists specifically mentioned the 'auditorium' in their talk. That shows that they had prior information about the congregation.

Imran Dec 22, 2014 05:53am

Please stop fighting with Indians on this site, entire world is sympathetic to what happened in Peshawar including India. We will loose even that sympathy if our attitude is like that of on this blog. Mumbai attack was planned and executed by and from Pakistan (by so called non state actors), acting as if we have nothing to do with it will only exacerbate things.