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As soon as I woke up after the election night in America, messages from my relatives living in the US began to pour in. The one that struck me most was my aunt’s: “This is like a bad dream — I think I will wake up tomorrow and find out everything is back to normal.”

I contemplated going back to sleep and not facing the fact that the unthinkable has indeed happened: Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

Just when I thought the world couldn’t get any worse, it did. I believe that in voting for this man, America has voted for bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia.

As I watched Trump make his way to the podium to give his victory speech, I could only feel disbelief. It was as though my whole system had turned upside down, refusing to process what was unfolding in front of my eyes.

We are normally under the impression that authoritarian, racist, and corrupt regimes are reserved for the third world only.

Rigged elections and political upheavals are the norm for us in Pakistan. When the state announces an emergency in the country or when there is a strike, our children celebrate. Another day off from school always feels good.

So we reluctantly accept the situation, although we don’t want our system to remain this way.

But we have never thought that this could ever be the case with the United States.

So many Pakistanis look to move to the West to be successful in life, or at least to have a better life for their children. America is seen as the land of opportunity, where many of us spend years investing our time and effort in order to land a decent job and become a citizen of what many of us believe is the most progressive country in the world.

The American Dream has had its appeal for us as well. We see it as a country built by immigrants and in which everyone has a place.

In our perception, there are many things that distinguish the US from Pakistan. Their justice system is flawless and there is immense emphasis on equal rights and opportunities for everyone, irrespective of their race or religion. We feel that the kind of violence we experience in Pakistan on a daily basis is not something that we can witness in the US.

Anything resembling what being an American looks like is admirable in the eyes of many of us. Some are impressed by their accents, attire and other American mannerisms, while some wish their children marry someone who has a blue passport.

So, many of us pack our bags to go to America to make a life there. The struggle to make it in a new country is real but we never lose our motivation despite the challenges.

But today, for the first time, it seems as though the grass isn’t that green on the other side.

Until today, I had never heard my family members who spent their whole lives in the US say they want to come back to Pakistan.

In a country built by immigrants, many who arrived recently are finding out that a significant part of the population isn’t as welcoming.

What could be a bigger confirmation of this tendency than the vote for Trump, whose campaign promise was to build a wall to keep out Mexicans and put a ban on Muslims coming into the country?

As Trump marks his victory, it is only a reminder of how people’s mindset has not changed despite eight years of Obama’s presidency, during which the outgoing President made clear efforts not to stoke Islamophobia by refusing to blame all Muslims or Islam for incidents such as the Orlando shootings or the Boston bombings.

Racism is clearly at play here.

Many of us were counting on Hillary Clinton to be the candidate to defeat Trump. Looking at the opinion polls prior to Election Day, I was confident Trump stood no chance against her.

I thought to myself that America is finally ready to vote for a female in the White House. But my hopes were misplaced.

I couldn’t begin to fathom why or how this happened. Clinton was the obvious better choice amongst the two.

But that’s when I realised that we had all failed to acknowledge that some things wouldn’t have changed under her rule either. And perhaps we overlooked the many issues with Clinton and her campaign when a racist, egocentric, and misogynist was her opponent.

Let’s not forget, Clinton is part of the governing establishment: she is Secretary Clinton. A Wall Street-endorsed candidate, she ran an incompetent campaign and lost states that were seen as ones that always vote blue.

I think if she had won, Americans would have felt proud for voting in a woman after having voted their first ever African-American head of state.

While it would have been a historic moment, and we all know it would have been better to have her in the White House than Trump, let’s not ignore the fact that Clinton had many skeletons in her closet.

And while Trump is a disaster, having too much hope in Clinton would have led to a lot of disappointment as well.

In this election, many covers have been blown.

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Atul Nov 14, 2016 11:02am

Many says so but in reality barely anyone would leave USA.

Love Your Country Nov 14, 2016 11:03am

There is no place like home (regardless of its condition).

SAEED MASOOD Nov 14, 2016 11:22am

Should not take desperate steps to move, wait and see is the best, don't worry Pakistan will be always your home you are welcome.

splash Nov 14, 2016 11:32am

americans have voted to save america.

Hope. Nov 14, 2016 11:32am

@Atul You mean like Indians getting killed in Melbourne,Australia but still thought Australia was a better place?

Shujaat Khan Nov 14, 2016 11:43am

I have called US my home for 40 plus years and am not leaving . US has system in place if an elected representative misbehaves in office including the President will be impeached and could face jail time. Trump will eventually understand that his private citizen days are over. His every move will be scrutinized. US constitution is strong and will stay strong. Presidents come and go.

Khurram Nov 14, 2016 11:45am

Ayesha

I live in Karachi, Pakistan and in my opinion it would be insanity for your family to move back to Pakistan. Tell them to take their chances in a Trump led America.

fika77 Nov 14, 2016 11:50am

I am fail to understand what's the message here. Author neither endorse Clinton or Trump and also doesn't provide any in depth analysis of the situation. May be it is just me.

Introvert Nov 14, 2016 11:50am

He got elected fair and square. We are all making tall claims about what will happen to US in the coming years. We are just letting our preconceived notions regarding Trump kick in. Maybe wait a couple of years and then evaluate Trump's performance?

Ronnie Dsouza Nov 14, 2016 12:03pm

@splash I wouldn't have agreed with you more

Ronnie Dsouza Nov 14, 2016 12:04pm

@Atul Absolutely right, even if things get tough, these guys will stay on.

Desi Dimag Nov 14, 2016 12:05pm

They are educated and skilled people, they will aid in Pakistan's development. Welcome them.

SG Nov 14, 2016 12:35pm

Family members who spent their lives in USA want to go back to Pakistan because Trump was elected President. Please go back. This is a free country. They are not in any exit control list.

Asif Nov 14, 2016 12:53pm

@Atual, I am living in UK and have got a mixed friends from many countries. I have seen people from Pakistan moving permanently back to their roots but haven't come across a single Indian going back. As far as humiliation is concerned we all now what they call us and how they treat us, don't live in denial my mate.

batooni Nov 14, 2016 12:59pm

apparently no one is going to give up on their so called American dream even if they have to bear humiliation, racism hate crimes on daily basis.

Sadaf Nov 14, 2016 01:18pm

There is no place like America.

farad Nov 14, 2016 01:19pm

Problem is not in going to US and make life better, but it starts when people think that they have better moral values and try to teach others moral values, to implement things OR want more rights which are not normal to western societies. Religious rights or things like exemptions from serving alcohol or pork (even if job demands you to).

those things are unfair to employer, why would he give you special treatment. It starts from there, also if someone wants to look different from others by dress or get up, he should also expect to get also different treatment. Integrate with society then there will be no discrimination.

Dasti Nov 14, 2016 01:26pm

Pakistan is and will always be a second home for the Pakistanis living in USA, one thing now they can do is to start caring about their second home, invest here and also take the responsibility of the strrets and children of Pakistan. They are always welcome here.

Erdogan Nov 14, 2016 01:28pm

It was the silent racists that the pollsters didn't pick up on, that was quite obvious. Then the monirities not bothering to vote or voting for independents is another aspect that brought trump to power.

M.Malik Nov 14, 2016 01:41pm

If Muslims leave the US out of fear, than Trump wins in his aim, by default. If they stay put, than they will have to contend with racial bias, abuse, attacks and harassment that could be unbearable. It is a choice that require in-depth pros and cons analysis and one's long-term goals.

I would suggest a temporary absence from the US, until the dust settles may be your best option. I expect within 12 months Trumps policies will be much clearer.

Zulfiqar Syed Nov 14, 2016 01:48pm

I hope people learn, and at least be honest enough to admit only if they would have worked hard in their own country, which God blessed us, but instead of working hard, we chose to run away, it is just a cold call, Home is home, Make Pakistan a better place, for yourself and for generations to come. Or live in Peace, adopt USA as your home country, and let us decide about our self.

Syed Nov 14, 2016 01:54pm

Ayesha, your family needs to take a further reality check. Even in a Trump led America, you are better off in USA vs Pakistan, given the conditions for several reasons 1) They will have a hard time adjusting in Pak, since they have been away for so long, the country has changed 2) Not much will change in the USA, yes there will be an initial reaction by his supporters who would feel they have the right to say bad things and do bad things, but the American justice system is very strong. Already the few cases that have surfaced have resulted in the law taking the right action. 3) lastly, your parents have already been living in a society which has an equal number of people who do not like immigrants. The law protects them, and thats one thing Trump won't be able to change My advice, stay put!

Leo Nov 14, 2016 02:19pm

I am pretty sure that any one who is a legal migrant is ever leaving USA.

AW Nov 14, 2016 02:38pm

US has strong institutions, constitution is held supreme and the legal system works equally for all citizens regardless of their faith, color or origin. Elected Presidents work within the system with appropriate checks and balances. President is not a one man show. Having said all of the above, Donald Trump has not said anything out of ordinary. His promise to deport estimated 3 million undocumented migrants is a promise to implement laws which already exist but have not been implemented properly. As far as scrutiny of immigrants or visitors from Muslim majority countries like Pakistan is concerned, such scrutiny is already in place for the reasons which are rational. So what is new about President-elect Trump is his courage to represent and express real concerns and not hiding them with two-faced diplomatic language. Clinton lost the election because of her past performance and because Obama, a Democrat; failed to deliver on the domestic front as well as on the global leadership

Li-N-Ja Nov 14, 2016 02:51pm

The answer is in your conclusion. What Trump has said is against illegal immigrant and he can not do anything to those who are legitimate citizens. Every country has right to act against illegal immigrants if their presence endanger peace an livelihood of its own citizens. As far as racism is concern that was already there specially against brown skin. I would only say there is no place in this world better than your own motherland. Weak people leave their country for greener future in alien land instead making your own house a better place to live. Its better live with half bread but with respect & pride in your hut than being a slave or second class citizen in a castle.

Ashraf Nov 14, 2016 02:52pm

Pakistan is a nation made for Muslims. This is where they rightfully belong. Welcome home !!

Jalbani Baloch Nov 14, 2016 02:55pm

Who said your relatives to go and settle in a foreign country. They went for their better future and now when the things have changed, your family has got reminded of their loyalty to Pakistan and want to return to their ancestral country. Pakistanis are a people of wide heart, so your family is most welcome to come back to their homeland.

Leo Nov 14, 2016 03:10pm

@Jalbani Baloch : excellent thoughts!

Truth Nov 14, 2016 03:11pm

@AW - I beg to disagree! The US justice system is biased and broken. Just consider that vast majority, over 70% of US prison population (around 2.5 million estimated) is made up of black Americans. Many of them are believed to be innocent, yet are denied bail or due process. Even if 10% of those incarcerated for years (or 250,000) are indeed innocent, and are locked up for years - denied their life and liberty - how is that a just system?

It is no secret that the US justice system is harsh toward minorities and judges routinely give stiffer sentences to people of color and even Muslims.

Saad Nov 14, 2016 03:19pm

Only the façade has been removed. America was always such. Look at slavery and then the continuous oppression of the black community. The American muslims were happy as long as the sound bites were nice, while they were interrogated every time they entered that country. The sound bites have stopped, the interrogations will continue.

fairman Nov 14, 2016 03:20pm

Trump has won because Americans wanted him to won. If he is talking about America and Americans then what is wrong in it. If you feel uncomfortable then you are welcome to leave their land (and that is what they actually want).

ONENATIONAL Nov 14, 2016 03:26pm

Nationality, we should stand for value of the green passport and it can be only possible if people who living in PAK reject dual nationality law......stand for single nationlity (Pak), that will make our future and worthy passport...Good Luck!!

subh Nov 14, 2016 03:25pm

@Asif May be you should compare the reasons why your Pak and Indian friends decided to go back? Is it lack of opportunity, Education levels or salary numbers in US? I know so many of my friends who moved back to india for better career growth and few stayed back for their kids education. It's usually a matter of personal choice

Basit Ali Nov 14, 2016 03:34pm

@farad It is time we started respecting the people's verdict in USA. Trump is against "illeagal immigrant" whihc country is not? there are rules of the land that need to be followed, and as for his ban on Muslims coming into the country, its miscontrued he wants radicalism out of the country, if you can not fit in do not come in. Simple

Mariyam Nov 14, 2016 03:38pm

Please do come and stay in Pakistan. We welcome u with open arms...

nooneabovethelaw Nov 14, 2016 03:38pm

Don't worry sister. US always wants a victim to justify its high moral ground. Before it was communism and now Islam and tomorrow something else. Once they are done with Muslims they will seek some other target. They divide humans as black, brown, slit eyed etc. Islamic thought, treats everyone equally even people who do not believe in it, yet Muslims are treated as terrorists. They are responsible for created a bunch of angry youth in the Islamic world. I hope the world is able to see the true face of this military power which is showing its true colours.

uchak Nov 14, 2016 04:07pm

You were right in saying that people moved to US to escape from the mindless violence and to improve their lives. The problem happened when such immigrants, started forcing the locals to follow the rules of their "original" society. What was hated once and is a sure shot route to failure, is being touted is hte perfect route to happiness. There is a reason the locals hate some of the outsiders, work on that rather than giving condescending talk.

karthik Nov 14, 2016 04:09pm

Every country want to protect itself from violence and loss of jobs to outsiders.. It is ok to say immigrants have built America.. but is also improtant to see which kind of immigrants have built America... I am not sure the browns, blacks and the latinos have added much value to the US as compared to the Whites... So they are upset... It is all a question of perspective..

Timeto stopthis Nov 14, 2016 04:15pm

If you dont think you are American after so many years of living in the US, then its better for you to come back home. You dont belong in America.

Wajih Uddin Qidwai Nov 14, 2016 04:20pm

change is about to come, either positive or negative, so I guess lets face the music

jm Nov 14, 2016 04:46pm

@Leo indeed excellent thought.

Omar Nov 14, 2016 05:03pm

For me regardless of your immigration status people from other countries dont belong to the country they immigrated to. Yes you can work and live there but there always be a difference of whether you belong to that country or you came there to live a good life. Time for all of us to make our country a better place so that people look forward to live here rather than othet way around

NetJOCKEY Nov 14, 2016 05:43pm

@Basit Ali very clearly and bluntly put. absolutely right.

M. Siddique Nov 14, 2016 05:52pm

As Pakistani/Muslim American I felt very disappointed but I am not going anywhere. We have spent most of our productive life in the USA. We are permanent part of this American landscape. Our kids have not know any other country.

We will close our ranks, making alliances with other minority groups and live through what is ahead. Most of the stuff Trump uttered to get elected will never be implemented. Electioneering and reality are two different things.

Honest guy. Nov 14, 2016 05:52pm

Let me tell you that not a single Pakistani would ever return from US on his own.

brar Nov 14, 2016 05:57pm

@Zulfiqar Syed You are right sir, they consider us inferior and always complain about law and order, pollution, driving sense etc etc no one compelled to leave their home land .

PR MAN Nov 14, 2016 06:06pm

If you have lived in the democratic western world long enough, you must be used to live with norms of the democracy -- that your candidate always does not win, and you accept the verdict given by the majority. If not, then your moving out is a better decision.

auginpk Nov 14, 2016 06:07pm

Nobody is going to leave USA and return to their country of origin from USA full of bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia.

This is just a temporary frustration.

And nobody will leave USA even if Trump does whatever he has boosted to do. People are practical.

XyZ-Indian Nov 14, 2016 06:08pm

In Democracy we get all set of people and views, give Trumph time and if he does not deliver , the same people will through him out. Such view coming out of the writer says , that she does not believe in change or Democracy.

This will enrich American democracy further, In Democracy there is a problem, everyone talk about their rights and all forgets about duties.

PR MAN Nov 14, 2016 06:14pm

If you have lived in the democratic western world long enough, you must be used to live with norms of the democracy -- that your candidate always does not win, and you accept the verdict given by the majority. If not, then your moving out is a better decision.

Moona Nov 14, 2016 06:15pm

@Atul They would if they are on the receiving end of all the hatred that has openly started pouring in since Trump was elected.

Kool Nov 14, 2016 06:30pm

@farad well said

Abbastoronto Nov 14, 2016 07:03pm

The more Pakistanis leave the US, the more space they leave for Indians.

desikan Nov 14, 2016 07:44pm

Even with Trump as President, US is a far better place to live than Pakistan as there are plenty of organizations to plead for your rights and put a check on any excesses from Presidency.

Muhammad T Raja Nov 14, 2016 07:55pm

We have lived 35 years in USA and have raised two kids who also are well established bringing up their families. I have seldom felt any bias in work place or society even though my first name is Muhammad. I totally fail to understand the writers paranoia.

Trump won because historically Americans almost always change the party that has been in power for 8 years / two terms. I was sorry to see Hillary lose but she offered nothing exciting , nothing new. Whereas Temp is charismatic.

Trump is likely to rock the boat but in the process he will change the dynamics of wars in the middle east, how we look at immigration, job losses to technology & cheap labor etc. All these changes will result in intense debate on these issues & every now then that is exactly what is needed.

Disruption in status quo is often healthy.

Robin Akbar Nov 14, 2016 07:56pm

I agree with you Farad. My family has assimilated with US culture and we have no problem at all here.

R.Kannan Nov 14, 2016 07:57pm

I am not a fan of Trump but believe that the major reason for the result was that Hillary was more unacceptable. Hillary had the backing of virtually the entire political system with many Republicans also endorsing her in preference to Trump. Barrack Obama put his full weight behind Hillary.However, she has been in political limelight for decades with no real distinction. The common man felt that existing policies were adversely affecting them. Hillary offered more of the same while Trump offered something different. The democrats would have won hands down if either Elizabeth warren or Bernie Sanders had been their candidate. The Democratic party bosses ensured that Hillary would be their candidate. At the end of the day, Trump will be President and we should wait till atleast this time next year before drawing conclusions. If Trump's views against illegal immigrants or terrorism are not acceptable, the counter view is even more terrifying.

Salim Langda Nov 14, 2016 08:15pm

Fear of the opposite party winning and your candidate not coming to power is common in a democracy. Obviously, you are a Hillary supporter who is more dejected with her loosing. On the ground, nothing has changed... and as usual, things will move slowly in democracy.

Agha Ata Nov 14, 2016 08:14pm

A word for the respected aunt of Ayesha. Please note that many people would leave America, and many more will not. And after a little while, things would get normal. This, too will pass (as Shakespeare said) Thats life; that's how things happen. Things always return to their logical end. Things always change, Trump would change, too. I am sorry for your fear and worry. I am also in the USA. I will not loose my hope., neither should you.

Sara Nov 14, 2016 08:20pm

America is still the best place to live compared to other countries that the immigrants left to come to westerners civilization. I don't think that Pakistanies are going to flock back to Pakistan. They have it too good - running hot and cold water 24/7, excellent bathroom facilities everywhere, electricity 24/7 and more over no threat of terror. Let's see how many will move back to their homeland. ha! Ha,

Sara Nov 14, 2016 08:27pm

Respect Trump he is our new President. He is passionate about America and so am I. I love this country and all western civilization because they meet more than just the basic needs of human being.

C M Naim Nov 14, 2016 08:27pm

Prosperous Pakistanis and Indians living in the US have long been supporters of the Republican party. In 2000 a Pakistani in Florida was one of the big fundraisers of George W. Bush. It's only in recent years that they have started taking part in the more progressive politics. The election should have been on issues of income inequality, jobs, big finance, defense industry and such things. By choosing Clinton over Sansders, the Dems gave priority to Identity, ignoring the fact that Americans will never vote for a third term for an Obama insider. A Sanders and Warren ticket would have received the support of more progressives as well as from those cultural conservatives who were aghast at the callousness of Trump's style. No body is going to run to Canada or Pakistan. But every one will have to take politics more seriously beyond the feel good kind of electing the first Black or the first Woman or the first Gay.

Huzaifah Nov 14, 2016 08:37pm

@Shujaat Khan That's correct. The Pre-poll fiery speeches is a part of the election campaign around the world, but post-election presidency is a different ball game.

As long as Muslims of America intact with the practices of Islam and play their positive role particularly within the community and within the American society as a whole, they will be safe and live with dignity.

Alla Bux Nov 14, 2016 08:40pm

@Asif I live in the USA and know at least a dozen Indians who moved back to India. If you do not know the facts please do not comment.

Alla Bux Nov 14, 2016 08:40pm

@Moona I do not see this hatred. Where do I have to look for it?

Obaid Nov 14, 2016 08:43pm

The grass is still tremendously much greener in the USA. Please don't kid yourself.

Mirza A. Baig Nov 14, 2016 09:31pm

American is the best country and best society to live in. I have lived here for last 36 years. I am not going anywhere. I will live here and die here. Its my home period.

Syed Moinuddin, Canada Nov 14, 2016 09:41pm

@Introvert I agree.

USA-- Pak Nov 14, 2016 09:48pm

This is wrong assumption. We are much better in USA.

Lest see the visa applications for next 3 months, you will see no decline

USA is a great country

arif Nov 14, 2016 10:03pm

@farad absolutely right.

Aftab Nov 14, 2016 10:04pm

Not a single person of Pakistani origin who is legally there willcome back to Pakistan. It is not a good idea to call themselves Pakistanis since they are naturalized US citizen. What is strange is many Pakistanis still uphold their original identity and the notion of two nation theory after staying in the multicultural society. In US law is upheld no matter who does what!

Maharaj K Razdan Nov 14, 2016 10:12pm

Whatever Trump said earlier was an election rhetoric . There are so many checks and balances in USA that so many things he said will not be done.This was not an election against the Muslims or Mexicans but for the Jobs which White Americans have lost over the last 3 decades and they want them back.

Abhishek Nov 14, 2016 10:12pm

@farad spot on...

AliPasha(USA) Nov 14, 2016 10:31pm

As An American Pakistani Muslim,I am not moving anywhere.USA is my home and I am protected by the US constitution.

pk Nov 14, 2016 10:59pm

People say but do not do. US is a great country and those who work hard are rewarded. The immigrants from subcontinent have done well and second and third generation are doing better the first generation. Fear that has occurred due to Trump being president is understandable but over time it will be gone because 60 to 70 percent of USA citizens are moderate because they were once immigrants and are tolerant with new immigrants from the subcontinent I urge the friends of this lady to stay in USA.

a Nov 14, 2016 10:59pm

@Hope. ??? What do you even mean ?

ga Nov 14, 2016 11:11pm

people are acting like Hitler just got elected.

Riz USA Nov 14, 2016 11:11pm

I have lived in the US for the last 37 years. There is no place like USA and I will never leave my adopted country. I voted for Clinton and although it is hard to accept that Trump won but we have to move on. Trump did a good job by touching the pain and brought emotions/anger in his supporters. Not all his supporters are Racists, Bigots etc.

Trump has some major work to do and at the end of the day, he will just be another elected president with highs and lows. He must prove that he is for the Americans first . Two things will make him a great president: 1. Make the economy great and 2. safety of the American people.

TO TRUMP: "Be careful what you wish for cause you might get it all" Now prove to the American Public how you will win the divided country

Singh Nov 14, 2016 11:13pm

@farad : Well said.

Shehz Nov 14, 2016 11:35pm

Every event, each incident, won't necessarily go in your favour. Unfortunately, the world does not stop for those living in disbelief. Life too goes on; get over it.

Zia Nov 14, 2016 11:42pm

Pakistanis must not make hasty decision to leave USA. Trump has no experience in politics or government and will make a fool of himself if he continues as he did during his campaign. So a wait and see approach is better then reacting to possible threats which may or may not materialize.

Moosa M Nov 15, 2016 12:35am

It is commonly says that there are lot of thorns in the seat. If someone who takes that and was boasting different before will be straight after occupying that seat. Just wait and watch. USA is not Pakistan. It is a lawful country.

riz Nov 15, 2016 12:38am

I live in Arizona. really don't care who won. I am man and brave. I know my rights

Wasim Farooqi Nov 15, 2016 01:00am

I will stay here and fight against wrong.

Counter Perspective Nov 15, 2016 01:11am

Why should anyone worry, Trump is against only radical islam, and I think everyone else is too.

Azhar Nov 15, 2016 01:21am

I believe Americans have voted for their own downfall. Americans are already a divided people. Look at the demonstrations against the election of Trump. But he is an elected president, so all Americans must accept him as their president. He certainly is bad news not only for America but the whole world. End of times is near indeed!

Rehman Nov 15, 2016 01:39am

@Hope. Trying to score over a point on Indians on this is meaningless. I live in the UK, and can tell you that the local English are unable to tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis. We are often as often discriminated against by the Europeans as Indians, and sometimes even more due to our religion. To say just Indians are getting bashed up is stupidity.

Shahzad Nov 15, 2016 02:04am

@Basit Ali well said

Khan Saab Nov 15, 2016 02:10am

@FIKA77,, She is clearly talking about 'victimization' and I don't think we should ponder too much.

Advocate in making Nov 15, 2016 02:17am

It will not remain United States of America for long. Donald Trump will be the Gorbachov for USA.

al Nov 15, 2016 02:24am

Welcome...You can always go back and do something productive for your country.

Mohammed murad Nov 15, 2016 03:30am

I think we have to take pause. Life under Mr. Trump presidency will be the same. He can say what ever he wants we have laws and rules. Most American are good people and they only voted this way because of fratration. Plus he his false promises. America is already great it accepted all of us. No worries no one is leaving.

Sun Tzu Nov 15, 2016 04:02am

There're never going to come back - take my word. So don't create unnecessary drama!

sialkoti malibu Nov 15, 2016 04:28am

see you later...

azhar Nov 15, 2016 04:34am

Mr. T will be a great and wonderful president. I predicted tow years ago, HRC will be the loser-because what she had done in the ME. Millions displaced and thousands died. I wounder why Muslim world is in love with her? I am in shock that every mosque and every Muslim family are morning in USA on her loss. Muslim will be deported only when they leave their faith and put their faith in America, wealth and west life style-that is what going on.

Sam Nov 15, 2016 05:06am

If you are legal with US passport one dont need to worry.More than Pakistanis in US people inside Pakistan seems more worried about PAK-US policies.

Ash Nov 15, 2016 05:20am

Nice article

shamshad Nov 15, 2016 05:31am

The hate against the muslims has not built over the night. Only Muslims are responsible for this situation for hate. Orlando and Boston incidents are supported by muslims who are doing white collar jobs. One cannot conspire such killings alone. It's unfortunate that good muslims has to suffer because of the sins of other bad muslims.

ahsan Nov 15, 2016 05:44am

You are welcome back

Rajan Nov 15, 2016 05:59am

@Shujaat Khan Indeed ! It's not like Pakistan or India. It has check and balances. Congress will make sure that the president does not overstep his mark.

MK Nov 15, 2016 06:22am

In my opinion, today, people of Japanese origin are most respected in USA. Same Japanese people in USA were treated like enemies during second world war. To their credit, Japanese Americans did not treat USA as their enemies. They even worked to defend USA during second world war. They have earned their respect.

Lesson is : It does not matter if you are Indian/Pakistani or Japanese origin. If you have adopted USA as your country, accept it as your country and work to make it better. Do not leave when your country is in trouble.

jalaluddin s. Hussain Nov 15, 2016 06:28am

I have lived in Quebec, Canada, for more than 3 and half decades and I am not moving back to the subcontinent (Pakistan or India).

During these years I have also visited the USA quite often. Both the countries were built by the immigrants from all over the world.

This is my country and I am not moving in spite of Trump.

Aasiya_jahanzeb Nov 15, 2016 06:30am

I don't think there is anything to worry about. Americans are great people. I give credit to Donald Trump for his success throughout the primaries and against all odds in general election. He is a brave leader. Let us work together and make America great Again!

Shaan Nov 15, 2016 07:04am

Congrtas Trump! he will wipe out terrorism

mathew Nov 15, 2016 07:38am

make pakistan great again

Azurish Nov 15, 2016 07:43am

@Khurram: Honest admission!

fawad Nov 15, 2016 08:33am

@Atul unless the situation change for worse..right??

Ahsan Gul Nov 15, 2016 08:34am

This article has unfounded facts and create uncalled fears among Pakistani living in USA. Pakistani are doing well economically and are making worthwhile contributions in technology and development processes. USA is not a Wild West town and there are laws to protect the innocents.

fawad Nov 15, 2016 08:36am

@Shujaat Khan let us all hope u r right in trusting the system..

fawad Nov 15, 2016 08:39am

@Desi Dimag yeah welcome home..but stay put till the end..come to Pakistan buy properties look at business ventures so that you have a foothold here when and if things go side ways there..

Hasin Ahmed Nov 15, 2016 08:55am

Don't be so sentimental. Easier said than done. I know of one family which returned to Pakistan but within a year came back to America. The American Constitution is the strongest protector and guarantor of the rights of its citizens. The courts are working. No one living in the US legally and earning his living with honesty has to fear any thing. Rest assured nothing is going to change nor any one is going to be allowed to bring about an upheaval in an ordinary, law abiding citizen's life. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is guaranteed by the Constitution.

Fr Nov 15, 2016 08:59am

@fika77 Had nothing to write so chose the easiest is a handful of hearsay mostly from those who are even not related to US

Shailendra Nov 15, 2016 09:00am

Saying that they want to come back is very different from actually coming back. Hardly anyone will come back since the quality of life remains much higher in the U.S.

Amir Nov 15, 2016 09:21am

@farad Totally agree. Could not have said better...

Human first Nov 15, 2016 09:49am

What is the reason and who is responsible for it. Its time to look around and correct the trouble makers for the entire community at large. No one is talking about it which is the root cause for all this.

illawarrior Nov 15, 2016 10:09am

@Sadaf And for that, the rest of the world is thankful!

aussie Nov 15, 2016 10:20am

forget about trump or US. clean Pakistan and worry about it.

dealing with with Zardari and Shareef and worried about trump?? what ignorant people of Pakistan.

Carl Shmel Nov 15, 2016 10:26am

America can learn from big hearted people of Pakistan and put in special protective rules like used in protection of minorities like Ahmadis and Hindus . Muslim identity must be preserved in USA and influential Congressman like Keith Ellison should propose Dhimma contract with Trump Administration to show the sincerity , goodwill and loyalty to host country.

JS Nov 15, 2016 10:34am

Why should Americans (previously immigrants) leave the US? Who would leave the country with change of government?

Wait and see ...

Taquee Nov 15, 2016 10:49am

USA as a society is still 100 years ahead of Pakistan. It will be a big mistake to return.

RHS Nov 15, 2016 11:28am

There is no reason to worry or panic. Trump may be the President soon but America and Americans will not change much. It is time to assimilate!

Sara Nov 15, 2016 11:31am

@Aasiya_jahanzeb I agree. I welcome Trump to make America great again.

fawad malik Nov 15, 2016 11:38am

Hype . Wait to see what plays out.

khanm Nov 15, 2016 11:59am

@Love Your Country ..that is why our leaders have their homes in UK and God knows where...

Ahtasham Nov 15, 2016 12:31pm

Still the situation is not started yet however can be return any time to home country, not like Indian who always give prefer to Australia even after abuse.

liaquat khan Nov 15, 2016 12:33pm

Actually Hillary is worst than Trump. Trump is Businessman. His policies will be profit oriented for America. He will do what is best for America and Americans. Whereas Hillary is a Corrupt Politician. A Corrupt Politician is very dangerous. We have already seen the Political faces of the American Congress all are butchers of Muslims. So it is better to have Trump.

Masoud Nov 15, 2016 01:24pm

No need to fear Trump, he may not be as bad as he himself projected during election campaign, before he was just Donald Trump but now he is the president of America so he will surely devise a working plan much different from what he hastily promised earlier. Trump cannot play so as to destroy the image of America. The world is watching. He may prove to be a blessing in disguise.

Haris Nov 15, 2016 02:43pm

@Hope. What do you mean? That was one isolated incident and as we know, Australia is 2.5 times in size of India(Just think whole country is termed as continent) and its population is less than combined population of Delhi and Mumbai. Its a 1st world country and very safe, 1-2 isolated incident doesn't make it bad.

Mehreen Nov 15, 2016 03:31pm

It is rather humiliating for people still living in Pakistan to hear people who have abandoned their country in the pursuit of financial prosperity,now terming considering moving back to Pak as a most undesirable and last case scenario. The problem with a majority of expats frm our region is that they want to move to developed countries with the aim of personal financial prosperity but dont want to integrate with the local population. They want to enjoy the freedoms of a foreign land, the economic prosperity that comes with it but not the social connections and interactions with the local population.

Trump or no Trump the onus to integrate in foreign lands will always be on the foreigners. Respect the law of the land you are in, interact and form relationships with the local population and maybe they won't be so averse to foreign people occupying their lands and competing for their jobs.

and hey if you really had to come back, Pakistan ain't so bad you know :p

TM Nov 15, 2016 04:02pm

when you migrate to another land, priority should always be assimilation into the society that you have entered. Muslims do not assimilate...they continue to live like they do in their homeland and pretend that everyone will accept their way of life.....unfortunately it I not true, wasn't true before Trump or Bush or Reagan or Eisenhower and will not be true in 2020 0r 2024. The only difference now is Trump nation is vocal and visible. I am a republican, voted for Trump and I have assimilated, my religion is my business and no one else's, my family can walk down the street no one will know the difference....Why, because we do not look different then all the others there. Moral of the story....stop trying to impose your will on a land that is not yours, if you want to live the life you want then stay home or go back to whatever is your home...we do not want your kind here

Haris Nov 15, 2016 04:05pm

@Shujaat Khan I'm impressed by your statement. Good one.

Human first Nov 15, 2016 04:31pm

@TM You nailed it mate . Thats problem area very few have noticed

Saket Nov 15, 2016 05:13pm

Why we expect always that the west should stand for all good things like liberty and equal opportunity. Why don't we try to implement the same thing at home.

mojazze Nov 15, 2016 05:19pm

Trump pushed the limits of his presidential campaign to the extremes, bringing out extreme right wing voters in his favor to vote. Under previous elections, Republican candidates tried to walk a middle ground in their campaign speeches and were ignored by the extreme right wing groups in America. This phenomena is going on in most democracies in the west where a small minority can make or break a candidate. In this case the small minority is the right wing extremist groups. The great majority of Americans are peaceful tolerant people.

mojazze Nov 15, 2016 05:28pm

@TM Your opinion is flawed. America is a country that has always embraced diversity and immigrants and majority of people in US support this fact. Clinton and Obama both received high margins of popularity votes in Elections and had always stood up for diversity in America. There are certain core principles and responsibilities of being an American citizen and are upheld by majority of muslim and other non-muslim immigrants. When it comes to crimes, there are more criminal acts committed by born Americans than those who immigrate to US.

staying here Nov 15, 2016 05:32pm

US is my home. Muslims in US have faced worst situations after 1993 includingthe incidence referred to as 911. Running away is not the solution. There are NOT many utopian places in the world including Pakistan for muslims.

ABDUL MUQTADIR Nov 15, 2016 05:54pm

@Shujaat Khan You made excellent points to clarify those who do not understand Constitution or are used to the breaking / violating it. I live in USA and I feel exactly as you posted. Thank you!

iqbal Nov 15, 2016 06:03pm

@ABDUL MUQTADIR absolutely

SN Nov 15, 2016 06:30pm

@farad you got it right mate

Jk Nov 15, 2016 06:30pm

I think lot of these people have to do some soul searching. They come here but do not want to assimilate into the society.You see people walking in the mall with only eyes showing, then they wonder why they are not being accepted. Other day I walked out of a movie theatre and a couple were praying at the door while people are trying to get out. In sime town they want prayer call on loud speaker early morning when people are trying to sleep. Then they wonder why town people hate them.

Pakistani Nov 15, 2016 06:56pm

America is only a food place to live if you are fairly rich.Otherwise you are one pay check or one car accident from being homeless.

MATERIAL Nov 15, 2016 07:35pm

@farad , WELL SAID.

arif Wajid Nov 15, 2016 08:39pm

do not live in fear. if u want to leave and have valid reason then live where u want America is a country of rules and they have institution and is not governed by a dictator who can do what he wants, so stay calm, trust God and relax. if time changes then u will see God will make it easy and create ways for us.

Zara Nov 15, 2016 09:14pm

How do you know for a fact that Latinos did not vote for Trump? I don't think the pollsters do know anything still. As for leaving, I don't think it's a good idea. Muslims just need to learn to integrate and come out strongly against terrorism and extremism.

MF Nov 15, 2016 09:22pm

Try to face realities..... illegal people whoever they are cannot stay in any country. Good people are deprived of their standing...

There is always hope Nov 15, 2016 09:35pm

Ayesha, Media and social network have a tendency to bring fear among people so I would highly suggest your family stay in the US and be a more productive and be active members in the american society. The main issue I see with Muslims living in the US is not willing to be a part of the mainstream society and blend with other cultures. They prefer living in their own bubble and isolation has brought problems for muslims themselves more than this campaign. The US has a strong legal system and there is separation of power among all 3 branches Congress, Supreme Court, and the President and that's why no one can abuse or be allowed complete power. Ask your family to get involved with American neighbors and share each other cultures so they see you as an important asset contributing to the American society. I have been in the US for 18 years now and have never experienced any bias or discrimination. In fact, most Americans I know sympathize with the Muslim community and are very supportive.

Syed Ahmed Nov 15, 2016 09:51pm

@Shujaat Khan who will impeach him? Senate and Congress is all in Republican hands, and soon the Supreme court will be too. Its all over for the US because of right wing hate media, the FCC has failed Americans.

syed Nov 15, 2016 11:19pm

First of all let give the guy a chance. He won through a democratic process and that's how it is. People who are acting racially and are biased were always that way even during obama's term. But you talk about their justice system being flawless and emphasis on human rights which i would disagree. I live in NYC and even here with all the multi ethnic environment and all i would still say that even here white privilege is very apparent. Black and Latino's people do not get justice or equal rights. Bias and racism runs high .

Imtiaz Nov 15, 2016 11:44pm

@Love Your Country Home is where you live

Mir Zahir Nov 15, 2016 11:48pm

Hillary got 48% and Trump 47 % in popular votes, so more people are against Trump. Hillary lost because she was a flawed candidate with so crooked things on her hand. Who has taken immense advantage of citizens united act, who has taken huge sums from Wall Street & Goldman Sach. Whose husband has used Clinton Foundation to become richs. Whose son in law, a hedge fund manager in wall street, has investments from Goldman Sach. Who has been lying about the email. Even many democrats who voted for Obama in states like IA, MI, OH, WI, PA did not vote for Hillary, because Hillary is crooked. So, this election turned out to be a contest between two flawed candidates, Hillary & Trump, and people voted for the outsider and flawed instead of insider & flawed. Bernie consistently led in polls by double digits and Hillary consistently lost by few points in polls during primaries. Bernie tried is best to make his point to DNC, Hillary cannot defeat Trump, but nobody listened to him.

Mir Zahir Nov 15, 2016 11:56pm

Trump does not want to do away with public funded health care, he wants to make it competitive among different states and wants to reduce the deductible. Public would not removed from the affordable care act abruptly. Trump is bound by constitution & law, so he cannot exercise discrimination against one religion or race. Trump want to take out the bad trade deals to create millions of jobs, Mexico, & India would lose their advantage on American jobs along with China. But, he cannot do it easily, that is just a promise, he has go through a long process, first thing first, the bill in congress should get through. He wants to get rid of the immigrants who are criminals only, incarcerate them, or move them out. And, build some wall & fences and invest more on border security. Trump cannot act like tyrant, or engage in corrupt practices, or discriminate in action, because American constitution and law provides enough protection.

Alla Bux Nov 16, 2016 12:01am

@TM You nailed it, boss. That is the problem I have too. Most Muslims do not assimilate into the society. They insist on making their women folk wear hijab and refuse to eat non-Halal food when they go to others' places. They want separate space for prayers in offices. I voted for Trump too but it mattered little as I live in Blue state.

John cool Nov 16, 2016 12:26am

@Ashraf I concur.

Gp65 Nov 16, 2016 12:42am

@Asif ". I have seen people from Pakistan moving permanently back to their roots but haven't come across a single Indian going back. "

How many Indians do you know? A lot of thriving tech startups or tech-enabled startups in Bangalore have been stared by NRIs.

Mir Zahir Nov 16, 2016 12:43am

Hillary got pushed by Bernie's movement more toward left, and promised few things from Bernie's agenda to please Bernie's followers specially after the primaries.

But, again she acted dishonestly by making those promise, because she knows she cannot fulfil those promises being a huge beneficiary of the Wall Street, Goldman Sac and other billionaires.

It is because the capital needed to fulfil those promises do not grow on tree, they come from continuing bad trade deals, giving tax breaks, and billionaires who have paid her family several millions are not idiots to keep paying with nothing in return. She was weak candidate, not strong like Bernie or Trump, that is why she lost. Crooked Hillary is her title not just from Trump, even those who support her know she is crooked.

Muhammad T Raja Nov 16, 2016 12:50am

@Mehreen You have hit the nail on the head. The only Pakistani's who are frustrated living in USA are who still want to cling to old culture and do not want to assimilate in the general society. I would suggest that if you are not ready to assimilate in a foreign culture you are better off not to go in the first place.

Going to a foreign country is all about change. If, for whatever reason, you are not adaptable ------stay put.

Mir Zahir Nov 16, 2016 12:54am

@Shujaat Khan The fact is we all voted for Bernie Sanders, another independent who ran in primary against Hillary.

Bernie is an honest man, a progressive, who does not want to police the world.

Who wants to fix the bad trade deal, that have moved American jobs out of the country.

He wants to launch single sign on Medicare for all and replace Obama care with it. And, he is not crooked like Hillary. Trump wants to do many things which was part of Bernie's agenda, but Trump insults woman, Muslims and Mexicans.

But, Trump has no choice but get things done within the constraints of constitution and law.

And, he is little softer right now, not talking about putting a ban on Muslims entry into America, changed wall to wall and fence, and want to deport only the criminal and those without legal status.

Trump is bound on foreign policy practice by the feedback from the Generals & middle east. And, would be bound to prioritize security first.

Wants to take on ISIS.

Ghuncha Gul Khan Nov 16, 2016 05:21am

Let us be honest and fair. America, in spite of current toxic environment for Pakistani immigrants, is still much better country to live in than some of our so called brotherly Muslim states, namely KSA, UAE, etc. who treat Pakistanis as slaves with little or no human rights.

Maher HASAN NY,USA Nov 16, 2016 06:00am

I guess she is too young to appreciate what America is all about. 2 terms of President Obama, a Democrat is all she may have seen. this is democracy lady! Focus yourself on American Dream! You cannot have a win win situ all the time. Listen to what Hillary said in her concession speech & what President Obama has been telling people all over the world.

PANAMA Nov 16, 2016 06:47am

Ever pondered, what did the immigrants really give back to the 'land of opportuniy', that they would have been liked there?

PANAMA Nov 16, 2016 06:58am

@Ashraf Ever wondered why people don't improve their homeland and struggle hard to end up in a different society, thousands of miles away? Why can't one make one's homeland equally good? Ever wondered about the difference in a nation and crowed of millions.

Mohamed Shahid Nov 16, 2016 08:45am

I loved the time that I've studied and lived in Karachi from 1980 - 1990. For many years I've been trying to relocate to Pakistan and obtain Pakistani Citizenship which is not possible due to corrupt bureaucrats. I wish there was a possibility even though I do not have any tie connections in Pakistan. If anyone knows, let me know!

Badshah Nov 16, 2016 10:18am

@farad rightly said, it's about people who want to distance themselves from wat is normal and acceptable in a western society .which tries to give u the same rights as everyone , which you want to enjoy but don't want change or accept living in that society , il tell ayesha it's good that you r moving back , at least more who accept the election result, democracy and rights will b left to nurture America.

Sara Nov 16, 2016 10:43am

Well if Pakistanies want to leave and go back to their homeland are welcomed to do so. Question is how many will be willing to leave USA? Zero. They have got it too good in the western civilization. Their basic needs are more than met. Good luck to those who want to move. When and how many will is a big ?

T.M. Reddy Nov 16, 2016 02:19pm

Are you kidding me to leave the country of Immigrants? That must be a dream for any fanatic who wants you to leave.

Farrukh Arshad Nov 16, 2016 03:07pm

Trump is saying he will deport illegal immigrants, I don't see how Trump is seen as bad as deporting illegal immigrant ? Isn't the illegal immigrant bad here ?

Brave Nov 16, 2016 04:37pm

Trump won't wipe out Muslims like Nazis did to Jewish people. I think if you're a legal immigrant, you shouldn't worry about it. Don't make hallucinating picture of Trump. You have fair rights in USA compared to Pakistan. As a journalist don't let your personal feelings dominate your rational thinking. Don't believe in US media which is hell bent against Trump. In my opinion, Europe has much more stringent immigration law and enforcement compared to US. Hope your maturity prevails ultimately!!! Don't possess a herd like brain, think rationally.

M. Iqbal Nov 16, 2016 10:47pm

@Shujaat Khan Well said.

Kamran Nov 16, 2016 11:36pm

This article is nothing but opinion. Remember, Jews, Italians, Irish, Catholics have all gone through periods of time where they have been discriminated against and treated unfairly. What has turned them around is their hard work, education and participation in main stream America. The overall Pakistani American population has flourished in America because they are educated and have a good work ethic. America has been very good place for those that choose to work hard and improve themselves and has always provided a safe environment for people to practice their faith. I challenge anyone to point out a better place in the world that provides all the freedoms we enjoy.

Amar Nov 17, 2016 12:32am

Very unfortunate , but need to think why world is hating to muslims. I am not supporters of trump thoughts.

şehirlerarası kurye Nov 17, 2016 01:12am

If you have lived in the democratic western world long enough, you must be used to live with norms of the democracy -- that your candidate always does not win, and you accept the verdict given by the majority. If not, then your moving out is a better decision.Şehirlerarası Kurye

Myview Nov 17, 2016 02:05am

Please let's not spread fear and hate.Everyone is protected by one law in USA.Except for small incidents of hate crimes here and there,everyone is safe unless someone has nefarious plans.

ks Nov 17, 2016 04:54am

@farad Most appropriate an woderful comments. If everyone follows yuor comments, there won't be discriminattion in the world.

ks Nov 17, 2016 04:58am

Ayesha, you have lived in Middle East. How you know what kind of real life in America without experiencing it? American life is fair and just to everyone. it is only not good for people who wants special treatment based on religion and caste.

UD Nov 17, 2016 05:03am

You had gone there voluntarily, no body invited you. Now if you do not feel comfortable you should return back to your motherland where you might have better future and prospects.

Ahmed Nov 17, 2016 05:45am

I am struggling whether this is real or fictional article. Yes, America voted for a change from status quo. However, don't ignore the root causes of why Islamophobia exist. All carnage that Islamic militants carry around the world is not helping the Islam cause.

ALEX D'SOUZA Nov 17, 2016 09:41am

happy journey!!!

Farooq Nov 17, 2016 09:42am

Trump's presidency will be no issue for people like me as we are fully integrated with the American system. However, for those living in their cocoons , will be. Ours is a democratic system and in this go around more amongst us voted for Trump. ThereforeDonald Trump won fair and square and thats what our American system is regardless of our disappointments and joys. Donald Trump is now the President elect of USA and I respect that. His victory message was positive and he reached out to all americans and nations of the world. I love this country. USA is the greatest nation on the face of this planet. I know going path forward that US will be great and fair to all regardless of who is on the top. At the end of the day, Trump obtained over 270 electoral votes and thats it!