The victims were only identified by their first names, Shama and Shehzad, and were a married couple - AFP/File
The victims were only identified by their first names, Shama and Shehzad, and were a married couple - AFP/File

LAHORE: An enraged mob beat a Christian couple to death and burnt their bodies in the brick kiln where they worked on Tuesday for allegedly desecrating a copy of the Holy Quran, police said.

The incident took place at the town of Kot Radha Kishan, some 60 kilometres southwest of Lahore, and is the latest example of mob violence against minorities accused of blasphemy.

“A mob attacked a Christian couple after accusing them of desecration of the Holy Quran and later burnt their bodies at a brick kiln where they worked,” local police station official Bin-Yameen told AFP.

“Yesterday an incident of desecration of the Holy Quran took place in the area and today the mob first beat the couple and later set their bodies on fire at a brick kiln,” he added.

Another police official confirmed the incident.

Read: Timeline of accused under blasphemy law

The victims were only identified by their first names, Shama and Shehzad, and were a married couple.

Pakistan's brick kiln workers are often subject to harsh practices, with a study by the Bonded Labour Liberation Front Pakistan estimating that 4.5 million are indentured labourers.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has constituted a three-member committee to fast track the investigation of the killings and ordered police to beef up security at Christian neighbourhoods in the province, an official from his media office told AFP.

Blasphemy is a hugely sensitive issue in the country, with even unproven allegations often prompting mob violence. Anyone convicted, or even just accused, of insulting Islam, risks a violent and bloody death at the hands of vigilantes.

A Christian woman, Aasia Bibi, has been on death row since November 2010 after she was found guilty of making derogatory remarks about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) during an argument with a Muslim woman.

An elderly British man with severe mental illness, sentenced to death for blasphemy in January, was shot by a prison guard last month.


Editorial: Death for blasphemy


This editorial was published in Dawn on March 29, 2014

The reality of Pakistan today is that mere accusation of this crime, howsoever unsubstantiated, instantly imperils the life of the individual concerned, and that threat persists not only throughout his incarceration, but even after acquittal.

Minorities are particularly impacted by the blasphemy law. Firstly, they are disproportionately targeted as compared to their actual representation in the population.

Secondly, when one of them is accused, the entire community is made to suffer, as illustrated by the mob violence in Joseph Colony, Gojra, etc or in lesser known cases where communities have been intimidated into moving en masse out of the locality. In fact, the desire to grab land or settle personal scores often underlies blasphemy allegations. That is all the more reason the law needs to be revisited.

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rahul
Nov 04, 2014 04:53pm

This is real face of pakistan and .....

Khan
Nov 04, 2014 04:53pm

We need to fight for a free, tolerant and progressive Pakistan.

Mount
Nov 04, 2014 04:54pm

waah pakistan waah...kyaa log hai..

U.A.
Nov 04, 2014 04:56pm

This is us. [Food for thought]

Anarchist
Nov 04, 2014 04:56pm

I am speechless.

What a shameful and brutal episode. These self-appointed guardians of the faith have no understanding of Islam and their actions do more harm to Islam than all the 'infidels' combined.

No condemnation or denunciation by our political leaders? Who is going to stand for rights of our fellow citizens who happen to be of another faith?

Badshah
Nov 04, 2014 04:57pm

These people who work as vigilantes are not Muslims, but devil dressed as Muslims they do not have an inkling what ISLAM is. Really feel sorry for the couple and their families.

Aryan
Nov 04, 2014 04:58pm

Naya Pakistan

Farrukh Munir
Nov 04, 2014 04:59pm

Mob rule has no place in Islam. I can't see any example of such injustice during the time of prophet SAW or during the rule of four caliphs.

These monsters have done no service to Islam nor have they protected Quran. They had no right to do what they have done. If the couple did what they were blamed to have done then the justice should have been provided by the legal system of the country. What a shame!!!

Rashid
Nov 04, 2014 05:01pm

O my God,,,come on government educate people. Muhammad (PBUH) didn't even lay a finger on people who hurt him (PBUH) whole of his life.

Tolerance people, don't be Judge yourself..Treat other people with good character and they might enter in to your religion in peace.

Sudhakar
Nov 04, 2014 05:02pm

What else can they do? (quoting a famous doctor saheb here)

Khan
Nov 04, 2014 05:02pm

What a shame, I can't believe this is 2015 and we are dealing with this !

Whiskey Khan
Nov 04, 2014 05:02pm

I am ashamed to call myself a Muslim in these morden times leave alone where I am from originally.

Ghazanfar
Nov 04, 2014 05:03pm

Both incidents are so sad.

I don't understand, why do people get involved in burning sacred Books? Why do people take this issue in their hands rather let government handle the issue?

salman
Nov 04, 2014 05:04pm

here we go. its been too late for more than a decade to control all this.

gifts of al-jahiliya the most illiterate muslim country on face of earth. and these current rulers are dreaming that they can sweep things under the rug, dust the top , straighten their shirts and walk away to a 'high level meeting'

what is stopping punjab govt. from taking lead and passing a bill to only have govt consituted panel approved addresses at mosques? go ahead give more room to PTI.

Mohsina
Nov 04, 2014 05:05pm

This is hugely disturbing. Intolerance needs to be annihilated. Such people do not represent Islam, a religion which above all propagated tolerance and gaining education. This is not islam. This is ignorance, this brutality is the jahaliyat, a depiction of practoces Holy Prophet came to destro. Astaghfirullah. May allah guide us to the actual message of islam.

Sher
Nov 04, 2014 05:06pm

Very unfortunate, I don't know where Pakistan is heading?

Akil Akhtar
Nov 04, 2014 05:06pm

This is an excuse to hide the real crime which in many cases can be disputes on property or something else. The murderer just claims the victim has desecrated the Quran and the mob does the job for him.

Disgusted
Nov 04, 2014 05:06pm

Will they be a march for justice now ? Land of pure... No doubt pure toxic

Ali
Nov 04, 2014 05:07pm

What a shameful day, once again Pakistani government, law enforcement and society exhibited complete failure to protect those who are the weakest. Even after loosing hundreds of thousands of lives, we still haven't learned our lesson, it seems most in Pakistan have no understanding of islam and it's teaching, yet always ready to defend it's integrity. Great work Pakistan, now no body should hate on ISIS after all it seems they and us are alike. Shame.

Ajamal
Nov 04, 2014 05:08pm

Sorry folks. Our government and judiciary (read "the state") are unable to deal with these shameful crimes. Even sitting Governor was vulnerable and his killer became a "hero".

NORI
Nov 04, 2014 05:08pm

Very sad. If this is the face of the Pakistani society, then no wonder it produces only terrorists.

abc
Nov 04, 2014 05:09pm

" An enraged mob beat a Christian couple to death and burnt their bodies in the brick kiln where they worked on Tuesday for allegedly desecrating a copy of the Holy Quran, police said ".

This must include at least 5+ people in the village. Another problem is no one stopped them and they all were backing them by heart and I can guarantee that even few internet reader will support this by heart. So there is nothing wrong if the world is going towards Islamophobia. Stop it please. The world is beautiful with verity of culture, religion and people. Otherwise you will definitely make it BLACK & WHITE.

Harmony
Nov 04, 2014 05:09pm

You can't take law in your own hands, no matter what. The perpetrators of such horrendous killing should be put in the brick kiln as well to set an example. Only then such nonsense in the name of religion will stop.

John Doe
Nov 04, 2014 05:10pm

I've said this before, I'll say this again: minorities of Pakistan, flee while you still can. You'll be uprooted but at least your children and grandchildren will stand a chance to live.

Ajamal
Nov 04, 2014 05:11pm

Be assured, none of the killers was able to read or understand even a single verse of the Holy Quran. Entire population is kept illiterate on "purpose".

Ashamed
Nov 04, 2014 05:11pm

Ashamed of being Pakistani.....

Awais
Nov 04, 2014 05:11pm

What a messed up world we are living in.

Raman
Nov 04, 2014 05:12pm

Pakistan is sliding fast into anarchy. What is going on here? Religious nuts are now in total control. Neighboring countries must take note of this plague.

kalman
Nov 04, 2014 05:12pm

Shame on these people who burnt these persons. Even if they did burn holly Quaran, there were ways to tackle this problem. It appears that there bad elements in the name of religion are doing so. Sad to say.

Hassan
Nov 04, 2014 05:12pm

What happened to enquiry committee of the Joseph Colony incident. Over the last 6 years Shahbaz Sharif have formed numerous committees, but not a single committee come up with a report. Let alone follow up on committee recomendation

saleem
Nov 04, 2014 05:13pm

shameful and condemnable. can these perpetrators in the name of religion will ever be brought to justice? change mindsets, keep religion out of matters of state

JML
Nov 04, 2014 05:13pm

The most malicious society on planet earth and the most malicious people. Accusing your own countrymen (just because they are from another religious group) and then beating them to death is a daily event in Pak,, the scale of which may be visible only in IS controlled areas,other than Pak. God Almighty is judging your people and your country. God is just.

BK
Nov 04, 2014 05:14pm

It is the easiest way to take revenge against anybody. Who dares to do any such act, where such a strict law available. A layman can understand the reason behind such act of crime. Time is not far where the minority will be eliminated completely, because nobody will dare to take any step to prevent such crimes.

msh
Nov 04, 2014 05:16pm

Very unfortunate. For Overseas Pakistanis like us there is hardly any good news coming from back home. This kind of thing is against humanity and government has to play its role to do something to stop these incidents. I have no words to express the sorrow and regret for the poor couple who fell prey to street justice. Big shame for us....

Khalid
Nov 04, 2014 05:17pm

I am ashamed to be a Pakistani. To be honest, I am ashamed to be a human being as well. No one in the world does this.

aliasali
Nov 04, 2014 05:17pm

if you kill any innocent is equal to kill all humanity and if you save a life is equal to save the whole humanity , this is what Quran says, better you judge yourselves and area leaders , should I claim I’m son of short temper nation

Harmony
Nov 04, 2014 05:19pm

@Sudhakar - "You are 100% right".

Saad
Nov 04, 2014 05:20pm

@NORI Pakistani society also produced the likes of Dr. Abdussalam, Malala Yousafzai, Abdussattar Edhi, Wasim Akram, Asima Jahangir, Sharmeen-Chinoy, Ayesha Farooq to name a few. Don't make such ignorant comments in future.

Ather Shehab
Nov 04, 2014 05:20pm

Who is safe in Pakistan???

ashfaq ahmad
Nov 04, 2014 05:20pm

Going thrugh coments , and i did not see one serious comment. actually this is the failure of government, why did not the police acted before the people to stop this. and again that man ordered inquiry, and will be forgotten as it was before.

khanm
Nov 04, 2014 05:22pm

we are the judge, we are the jury and we are the executioner ... i know there is something wrong exactly what i have no idea..may we are so frustrated, so psychopathic, so sociopaths that any one who is weak we let it out...we will not even hesitate to take a human life.. folks if you want to gauge any society. gauge it by the criminal the society produces..Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.

FDI
Nov 04, 2014 05:23pm

Great excuse to kill minorities and take their properties. This is why you are in the state of self destruction today. And, then Pakistanis say, our minorities are our brothers. What a joke? And they keep quite when more than 1 lack hindu minorities migrated from or thrown out of Pakistan and now living in India. To show world its weird and fake so called democratic face, Pakistan announced a first time leave for Diwali, but unfortunately the forgot that diwali was a day before they announced leave. No doubt, you will be nowhere in this world in next 7 to 10 years. Now, get ready for a complete destruction.

Bakhtawer Bilal
Nov 04, 2014 05:24pm

When ever there used to be a suicide explosion, newspaper used to write, explosion "supposedly" done by Taliban. For this happening, Police and newspapers already know that the couple was burnt, because the desecrated Quran. Was there any investigation? Those who committed the crime said so? We are a bunch of prejudice people.

Nomez
Nov 04, 2014 05:25pm

Somebody ask this mob how many of them have actually read Quran and how many of them understands it.

mosawwir
Nov 04, 2014 05:26pm

This is clear demonstration of extremist mindset in our society. What message these bloodcurdling acts of violence by us give to the world. By doing this we are really portraying a false picture of Islam to the world. Is this what Islam teaches us?

Most of the perpetrators would be those who would not even know how to read the Holy Quran, let alone reciting the Holy Quran daily. Love for Quran and Islam is best demonstrated by following what Quran and Islam teaches us, not by taking anyone’s life in this extremely cruel way. If we ask these so called custodians of Islam that how much they follow the teachings of Quran & Islam, the answer would be really disappointing and astonishing. Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) always taught us love, forgiveness and peace. By committing these barbaric acts, in fact these people are committing the blasphemy, for which they should be punished.

Who gave these people right to kill people of other sects in the name of religions?

Sunil
Nov 04, 2014 05:26pm

Why would the Christian couple take holy Quran to brick klin? A serious question, did they really burn or a made up story? Why do the people take the law in their hands and justify by doing the crime by killing and burning them.

Masoud
Nov 04, 2014 05:27pm

There should be a transparent investigation to know the facts. The law should not be taken in own hand, the court of law is empowered to punish, killing without any trial is not just.

Jenai dau
Nov 04, 2014 05:28pm

All the people involved in this heinous crime should be brought to justice and in a short time frame. May they couple RIP.

Ravi Dallas TX
Nov 04, 2014 05:29pm

Why we never see any protests for this in Pakistan. Even if there are, they are carried out by victim families and friends, not from political parties or general public.

Sorry for my words, other than few sane people , most of the public is heartless and spineless. What moral right will you have to complain about human rights in Palestine and in Kashmir? Shame, Shame.

Tahir
Nov 04, 2014 05:29pm

The mob who did this most probably would not even know how to read Quran and definitely not understand its msg... but yeah!! they become the custodian of the Holy book, the Book which they never even try to understand, when it comes to punishing sm1 for disrespecting it, just to claim that they are true muslims, how ironic...

Aman Jan
Nov 04, 2014 05:29pm

@salman Its not the time for the publicity of your party but a time to condemn such acts of brutality.

Najmussaqib
Nov 04, 2014 05:30pm

Extremely shocking act. So much ashamed and shocked to read all this.

Hassan
Nov 04, 2014 05:31pm

Pakistan is in a downward spiral and in a state where dogma governs over sense. Empathy, humanity and compassion have been slaughtered.

azad
Nov 04, 2014 05:34pm

This is not just a law and order issue. It is also an issue of mindset. The more touchy we become of such issues, more anarchy it will produce. Public education is badly needed or else more terrorists will be produced.

faisal
Nov 04, 2014 05:35pm

@Ghazanfar..shame on you. ..did they deserve to die...??

A Sheikh
Nov 04, 2014 05:35pm

@Mount Stereo typical comment. Paint the entire country with the same brush - pls think before you comment. People who do this type of things are less than 1% of country's population.

Jenai dau
Nov 04, 2014 05:37pm

There should be a nation wide protest against this incident, a strike or a day of mourning.But nothing will happen

saqib
Nov 04, 2014 05:42pm

Shameful act of violence.The Quran says "Killing one human being without a cause is killing the whole Humanity".The word Islam means :" Salamity.Are we really Muslims any more?

ali
Nov 04, 2014 05:44pm

Where there is no rules of law, it's bound to happen time and again; Pakistan is such a classic example of that

JackDomm
Nov 04, 2014 05:44pm

Even if the victims committed that heinous act, People should not take Law into their Hands instead Hand over the matter to court for the Good of Pakistan.

Ziyan
Nov 04, 2014 05:45pm

Another attempt to degrade Pakistan in world community......another ugly attempt to highlight Asia Bibi case.......on the other hand, its an irony that those who killed these people on the name of protecting Islam never follow Islam in their own lives......Religion and nationalities never teaches violence, its the corrupt system run by corrupt leaders who tainted religion and nationality.

Adeel
Nov 04, 2014 05:46pm

@rahul first of all condemn this brutality by all means and really want all the culprits to be behind bar and face murder charges , anyone who involved , this is a crime by some criminal not state sponsored unlike in India Gujrat where chief minister ordered to kill Muslims have you forgotten that ? hav eyou forgotten what hindus have done to sikh's after the murder of Indra Gandhi ? have you forgotten that ?

Parvez
Nov 04, 2014 05:46pm

We will all, as a nation, pay for this atrocity.

Parvez
Nov 04, 2014 05:47pm

......and I suppose the CM and PM have taken notice while our religious scholars look the other way and the judiciary sleep

Khurram
Nov 04, 2014 05:47pm

Despicable... who gave them the authority to carry out murder which to them is justice (if this is what they think they did) ... I wish if they can be punish in this life....

Well Said
Nov 04, 2014 05:50pm

Somebody should print a Quran translated in simplest possible manner. I am saying with fair bit of conviction that out of all religions Islam is highly prone to misinterpretation by these illiterate hoodlums and the consequences are too diabolic. Imagine if a small minority can do this what will happen when more and more people get infected with this radical version of Islam.A revolution has to come from within the followers otherwise the glory of Islam will be hard to restore.

Farrukh
Nov 04, 2014 05:54pm

All those who act barbarically, they should think for a moment...had Prophet Muhammad (SAW) liked this act had it been happened in his life time.

Shahram
Nov 04, 2014 05:55pm

An investigation followed by an arrest of every single participant should follow and a trial. Give out real punishments and this will stop.

Khalid
Nov 04, 2014 05:56pm

One gruesome story ends with beginning of another in our country. We never learn

Sami
Nov 04, 2014 05:57pm

Will the chief minister of Punjab be courageous to condemned this attack rather than ask for the report and investigate?

Kaam
Nov 04, 2014 05:58pm

Shining Pakistan.

Harmony
Nov 04, 2014 05:58pm

@Sudhakar - And "you are 100% right"

Ajamal
Nov 04, 2014 06:00pm

NOTICE TAKEN.

Signed CM Punjab PM Pakistan

(Matter closed)

Asif
Nov 04, 2014 06:04pm

@Rahul. Yes it is terrible crime against humanity, just like the killings of minorities in Gujrat in India.

Rao
Nov 04, 2014 06:05pm

@Khan How do you start with? Suggest the readers few steps please!

Javeed
Nov 04, 2014 06:05pm

Being a Muslim, I strongly condemn this. Those involved in the killing must be brought to justice. Islam doesn't teach us to kill

salman
Nov 04, 2014 06:05pm

Indeed its a very sad story. Our minorities deserve much better behavior from us. This attitude has nothing to do with Islam or Quran. Justice must be served without a delay, give them examplary punishment.

Shrikant Nagnath Kumbhar
Nov 04, 2014 06:06pm

watch out the difference between what you do and what you want ....

ramsha baluch
Nov 04, 2014 06:08pm

Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Pc
Nov 04, 2014 06:09pm

And Pakistanis comment about killings in Kashmir. What pakistanis do to minorities?

david
Nov 04, 2014 06:10pm

And they talk of human rights violation in kashmir srilanka shamelessly

daada
Nov 04, 2014 06:13pm

Incidents like this are targeted in the media to incite violence against minorities and show "the real" face of Pakistan. When the reality is that Law Enforcement / Judiciary is non existent for minorities and majority alike.

Please wake up, work for a stronger law enforcement/judiciary system. When the rights of minorities are protected in a country you know that the rights of the majority are also safe.

This is not a religious issue. This is not a lack of education issue. This is not a "OMG those barbaric people" issue. This is an issue of a failed legal system.

If there were resources and laws in place against blasphemy, these victims would be tried in a just way requiring evidence. On the other hand if there was a just legal system, this mob would be tried for murder for killing this accused couple, in a court of law.

Just
Nov 04, 2014 06:13pm

we are beast..... proven...

Fayyaz
Nov 04, 2014 06:13pm

This is another example of barbarism in the society and sheer impotence of the political elite. Any reasonable person will know that poor workers at a kiln can hardly read Urdu let alone recognise the the holy book. If our people are that cruel and intolerant then this is a clear warning to the silent majority who is not willing to do anything about these bigots.l

VR
Nov 04, 2014 06:14pm

@Awais

No, a messed up Pakistan.

Naveed
Nov 04, 2014 06:14pm

Our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) never harmed a women who used to throw garbage over him, This is what Islam teaches us, Now tell me, is this really what our prophet taught us? is this what Islam taught us? No. Never.!

Truth Seeker
Nov 04, 2014 06:19pm

From a legal standpoint, the perpetrators of the crime, i.e. the mob, should be apprehended, tried and brought to justice for taking the reigns of law into their own hands. These self-appointed enforcers of the law should be made an example of.

That being said, let this unlawful yet effective public execution serve as a deterrent for those who toy with the sentiments of religious believers, test their patience and antagonize them by desecrating what they cherish above all else

Hassan
Nov 04, 2014 06:19pm

Should be ashamed of ourselves.

N. Sid
Nov 04, 2014 06:21pm

Indians commenting here, this is a sad accident, not peculiar to Pakistan though. In India about 500 Christians were killed in Orissa a couple of years back. The government should persecute the killers without any pressure from militant groups.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/At-least-500-Christians-killed-in-Orissa,-government-sources-say-13658.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-violence-india-christianity-hinduism

nandkishore
Nov 04, 2014 06:22pm

@Mount pakistan me sare log anpadh gavar hai kya .

SRahman
Nov 04, 2014 06:22pm

Even if the incidence is true, is the mob violence is Islamic? Is it allowed to kill people without any investigation? Is it Islamic to burn the dead bodies? Oh people of Pakistan, look what you are doing on the name of Islam! You have made it a cruel religion (Naozobillah). You, who follow Mullah and fanatics blindly are insulting Allah and Rahmatul Aalameen (SAW). It is time to go back to the real and passionate teachings of Islam otherwise Allah’s wrath will not let you play with His and His beloved Prophet (SAW) for very long. Do not test Him. Shame on all the silent and apologetic Muslims of Pakistan.

Bagha
Nov 04, 2014 06:24pm

@John Doe Only Pakistan? Which are the other Islamic countries where non Muslims can live as equals?

Muhammad
Nov 04, 2014 06:26pm

I am ashamed. Look how ignorance of glorious Quran has turned some of us into mindless savages.

Debadutta
Nov 04, 2014 06:26pm

I see no future for pakistan and muslims.

Bagha
Nov 04, 2014 06:27pm

@JML Where is the patriotism of Pakistanis? Two Pakistanis were brutally murdered, the constitution was thrown into the kiln, where were the brave patriotic Pakistanis? Clearly patriotism comes a distant second after faith.

Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali
Nov 04, 2014 06:27pm

We have witnessed the humiliation of Jinnah's Pakistan today.by killing of minorities and poor people of the republic of Pakistan, and killing of Pakistanis in Wagha while do Aing their daily thing. This is not my father's Pakistan either, who sacrificed a lot along with his friends and relatives for this land..A land for Muslims to co-exist with others with respect and freedom of religions. The killing and burning the body by a lynch mob today is the reflection of the society of Pakistan, which is not acceptable by any means. .Where are the mullas and muftis who have been running this country

UH
Nov 04, 2014 06:28pm

Only if these mobs could read a single word of Quran....shame on Pakistan...shame on tabdeeli....its a curse to live in Pakistan.

Moona
Nov 04, 2014 06:29pm

Oh God! How horrible!

Javeed
Nov 04, 2014 06:29pm

@Pc So your logic seems justify killing by killing na! Humanity comes first, even if a single innocent person is killed either in your own nation or anywhere in the world, it should be equally condemned

Punjabi
Nov 04, 2014 06:30pm

Those Muslims who are peace lovers and have any kind of tolerance is because of the education they received in colleges. Otherwise these Madrassa student can't do any better than that. There should be open debates about issues based on the religions. If it (any religion) have nothing to worry about.

JK-Indias
Nov 04, 2014 06:30pm

@Asif : yeah first put your house in order then talk about rest of the countries. But you guys have a habit of ignoring your problems and running after other countries issues. Aur kashmir Gujarat k to aap log brand ambassador hi ban gye ho. First see your face in the mirror before worrying about others which nobody has asked you to do. Just poking your noses and nothing.

Mechatron
Nov 04, 2014 06:30pm

What kind of animals (more exactly beasts) are these - I am Pakistani and Muslim - I love the Prophet, Quran and my religion. But this barbaric act - I am sure almost all of these beasts would be able to narrate the translation of Al-Fatiha!

QUESTION TO ALL - We can comment a lot here, what can we really do to stop it? seriously - I request sincere thought, not just writing for the sake of commenting - Please!

My apologies, sympathies and prayer to the grieved ones - I know my words are nothing to the loss!

Dr. Rahman
Nov 04, 2014 06:31pm

@rahul No! This is not the real face of Pakistan. Few illiterate misfits taking the law into their hands and committing such an cowardly act. They must be punished and there should be no repeat in the future. I wish strength to their families and may they rest in peace.

Moona
Nov 04, 2014 06:31pm

@rahul No it's not and you know it. What was your face doing when your brothers burnt Muslims in Gujarat?

Tanka
Nov 04, 2014 06:32pm

Read the story in TOI also,it is a cooked story by Kiln owner just not to pay their wages.They have 4 small children.God can only save them now.Just hang the guilty and arrange adequate safety,shelter and money for their children.

Aryan
Nov 04, 2014 06:32pm

@N. Sid why we benchmark India all the time?? lets focus on paksitan

Shehz
Nov 04, 2014 06:33pm

@Badshah Yeah immediately absolve yourself of the act, very easy to say that they are not Muslims. Reality is that they are very much Pakistanis and born Muslims. All this is the result of the indoctrination that began in the 80s. Such intolerance did not even exist in Pakistan until religion and Shariah was brought into our society.

Bagha
Nov 04, 2014 06:34pm

@Tahir that is assuming that someone actually did disrespect it. But then even then it is sooooooooooo stupid! What kind of animals would murder a poor man AND his wife for what they did to a book??!!

To apologists who argue that it is more than just a book, I would like to say it is precisely this justification of bloodletting which is the reason why the whole world looks at you as rabid mad animals. Only in some parallel universe does the burning of an copy of a book warrant murder.

Ammy
Nov 04, 2014 06:34pm

A unique way of settling personal vendetta has become a trend, in name of desecrating of Quran. And some so called saviour of Islam start punishing people without going into the facts, and fanning Mob violence. This is not in anyway saving Islam, but giving a bad name. At least an accused has right to be tried and punished after being found guilty as per Islam. This incident is an example of mob acting against Islam. Further it is bringing bad name to Pakistan. Where are law agencies ?

Najam Saeed
Nov 04, 2014 06:35pm

Minorities are paying with their lives for these thoughtless and fanatic amendments in the constitution that were made during General Zia Ul Haq's era. Where are you Mr. Prime Minister and Mr. Chief Minister of Punjab? No doubt, you will be held accountable and responsible for these needless deaths because these are happening under your watch. Leaders lead and stand up to deliver when needed. I often wonder how killing these members of minorities serve the cause of Islam. Our prophet showed tremendous patience, mercy, and tolarence in the face of adversity. Why can't we? May Allah guide us to the straight path and put mercy and tolerance in our hearts. Ameen.

indian
Nov 04, 2014 06:35pm

@Whiskey Khan so why not convert to some other religion????

Moiz Omar
Nov 04, 2014 06:36pm

What kind of barbaric people are we Pakistanis? R.I.P.

Uday Jainagarker
Nov 04, 2014 06:36pm

Bunch of brainwashed hoodlums.

Well Wisher
Nov 04, 2014 06:38pm

Blame it on Mullahs who is poisoning the minds of people and filling their brain with hatred...

Girish
Nov 04, 2014 06:38pm

@N. Sid Riots do happen in india when missionaries work hard to convert tribals and support maoists to kill a hindu swami. Pakistan is at higher level than this normal riots where bombing and killing minorities is xonsidered a past time.

sms
Nov 04, 2014 06:39pm

2 Christians burnt at Kot Radha Krishan.

Does one need to say anything?

Dr Khwaja Ajmal Waheed
Nov 04, 2014 06:39pm

Law should take its course. Those convicted by courts should be punished otherwise common men will lose confidence in the system and take law in their hand.

Pc
Nov 04, 2014 06:39pm

@N. Sid Can you put your hand on your chest and tell honestly how Hindus reduced from almost 15% to 1.5%? No one believes you people. Accept the facts.

Aamir
Nov 04, 2014 06:39pm

3 member committes, 4 member committes .......... they are all the same useless.

Nazir Ahmed
Nov 04, 2014 06:39pm

Barbaric, condemnable act. Should be condemn by all and sundry. Countrymen killing their fellow countrymen. And there is no report of arrest of culprits.

rizwan shah
Nov 04, 2014 06:40pm

all desi liberals are here trying to be the God Father, if they have tried to do so, they shud be punished Simple

Anwar Amjad
Nov 04, 2014 06:40pm

This is very unfortunate. The government should take severe action.

gary
Nov 04, 2014 06:41pm

@Farrukh Munir u guys r the biggest bunch of hypocrites. come out in millions to speak against this.that u will never do.

S. Ahmed
Nov 04, 2014 06:41pm

A horrible and despicable act. Killing one innocent person is like killing the whole humanity. How can they kill a person in the name of Islam. The very word Islam means peace. The whole Nation wants justice to those innocent Christians killed. An individual act doesn't defines the whole Nation. In the Peshawar church bombing Muslims donated blood and helped in cash and Kind to the Christian brothers. This is the real spirit of the Nation and cannot be defined and stereotyped by a few bigots.

Jass
Nov 04, 2014 06:41pm

@Moona it did not start with killing Muslims in Gujarat but it was started when Muslim mob set a train full of Hindus on fire. Get your facts right . pbuh

Safdar
Nov 04, 2014 06:43pm

@rahul We also know the real face of India so please.....

Kamran khan
Nov 04, 2014 06:44pm

Where did you get your 1%?

K.Ali
Nov 04, 2014 06:44pm

These people doesn't know anything about humanity, religion and tolerance. A very sad incident, a condemnable act... Peace to all humans.

Saifur Rahman
Nov 04, 2014 06:46pm

This is not Jinnah's Pakistan. In a society deeply affected by bigotry it is difficult to spread the message of peace, compassion and forgiveness which are the essence of Islam.

Rahim
Nov 04, 2014 06:46pm

Prophet (PBUH) used to forgive all kinds of misbehavior, and these people do not have an inch of tolerance. They are Muslims by name but do not follow Islam. Government and Law should take an action against everyone in the mob and they should create a new rule in the constitution to stop these mishandles.

Jk
Nov 04, 2014 06:46pm

Pakistan bow your head in shame.

SKD
Nov 04, 2014 06:48pm

It is a clear cut case of slavery. When couple tried to free from slavery of brick Kline owner, he framed them

BK
Nov 04, 2014 06:48pm

@Pc In Pakistan, if kills an animal or bird somebody may ask, but if kill a member of minority community nobody dares to ask, killing of Mr. Salman Taseer is an example. Now minorities left with either of two options, convert to Islam or flee the country.

Kamran khan
Nov 04, 2014 06:50pm

I beleive there is flaw in this law. It is misused to settle personal grudges. Majority in Pakistan are illiterate and don't know Islam. Maybe it's time to amend or abolish this law.

Ayaz
Nov 04, 2014 06:51pm

What us the use of law when mob have to take a decisions. This because if lawlessness if the law n justice system implemented Properly no one can think to behave this brutally.

Khan-Haqiqi
Nov 04, 2014 06:52pm

Always negative news comes out of Punjab

Laiq Ur Rehman
Nov 04, 2014 06:55pm

@rahul Have you forgotten what happens in India? What is happening in Kashmir? What happened in Gujarat and more recently what happened in Bengal

Gaurav Arya
Nov 04, 2014 06:55pm

More than the incident, I am shocked by many Pakistani comments. I think the real problem in Pakistan is the overwhelming obsession with religion. Every one is either "Islam says this" or "Quran says that". Forget about those things, guys. Focus on law and order. Get your basics in place.

K.Al
Nov 04, 2014 06:57pm

@Pc To get the facts right you need to shun your prejudice for a while and open up your brain. Do some Google search by independent sources and not facts given by the Indian government. ) Hindus makes up about 9 percent of population of Sindh province. 2) The largest concentration of Hindus were in east Pakistan(now Bangladesh), when the nation got separated, Bangladesh got the highest number of Hindus and the percentage in Pakistan naturally decreased. 3) There is widespread migration of Hindus from Pakistan to India, for the simple reason that Hindus felt that the two nation, India and Pakistan meant for the very reason. There are no reports of migrating Hindus killed as in the case of many hundred thousand Muslims killed while migrating to Pakistan.

Rohan
Nov 04, 2014 06:57pm

So what was the police doing while the mob justice was happening? Waiting it to end?

sufi
Nov 04, 2014 06:57pm

Shame on these people.Islam is a greatest religion, and doesn't need protection from so called protectors of religion. We need to understand that, diversity is the law of universe. imagine whole world clad in burqas and all people having long beards and all speaking only one language. "live and let others live".PEACE.

An Indian Muslim.

Heigh-Ho
Nov 04, 2014 06:57pm

@Ghazanfar Guilty until proven innocent?

Salim
Nov 04, 2014 06:58pm

What a shameful act and brutality. Now it is the time for the country to wake up and fight for only one cause. To make sure the people who killed the couple should be sentenced to death, and country should come on street, otherwise though I live Pakistan the most but I would say Pakistan cannot survive if our Christian, Hindus and any other religion cannot survive. Religion is Belief (theory), so please don't kill humanity because of religion. Wake up people wake up.

Irfan Baloch
Nov 04, 2014 06:59pm

mob like this deserves ISIS and TTP that routinely kills people on sham Blasphemy charges without any chance to clarify or defend themselves

RIP to the dead

treat
Nov 04, 2014 07:01pm

not much can be expected from a country whose foundations are based on dividing people

Reality Bites
Nov 04, 2014 07:04pm

How come Punjab is the epicenter of anti minority fervor? This kind of anti Christian violence is repeated in Lahore, while not a single culprit from the past incidents has been given an exemplary punishment.

This extremist mindset is the norm not an anomaly when it comes to Punjab and KPK. We need public hangings of the extremist and their promoters fast.

None
Nov 04, 2014 07:04pm

@Rashid Reread history.

Yousuf47
Nov 04, 2014 07:04pm

The Police should obtain video evidence if readily available to establish as to who was responsible for the brutal killings of a couple or police to complete its enquiries and bring to justice all those responsible for the murder of Shama and Shazad. Let the murders not go to waste, Christians all over the country should consider carrying out peaceful protest to express their view that no one is above the law and people responsible for the savage killings be brought to justice to face death sentence or life imprisonment.

Khan
Nov 04, 2014 07:05pm

I think majority of Pakistani's are good ,they are against this kind killing.It's only small Minority who is doing these kind of inhuman acts.

Asif Iqbal
Nov 04, 2014 07:05pm

Is there any Law in Pakistan ?? Lets see if the govt punishes the accused or this case will be vanished like earlier one !!

Shahid Khan
Nov 04, 2014 07:06pm

This reminds me of a Muslim man killed by rioting people in Maharashtra India who were protesting against sacrilege of a Hindu god.

kdp
Nov 04, 2014 07:07pm

@Moona I am Gujarati Hindu and agree with you 100%. I ask the same question where were you when buildings were set on fire and Muslims were killed? Even police did not showed up.

Jamal
Nov 04, 2014 07:09pm

The saddest thing is that, the majority of Pakistanis will come out on streets and protest, they protest abroad in Western countries in big numbers, they become very active on social media and protest when few hundred Palestinians are killed by Israel, BUT when a poor Pakistani Christian, Hindu, or from other minority group is killed, murdered by Islamists no one protests.

JAVED RAHMAN
Nov 04, 2014 07:09pm

Is this justice?For this Pakistan was created.

salman
Nov 04, 2014 07:10pm

This is not expected from peace loving pakistani people...

UH
Nov 04, 2014 07:11pm

Qadri Syndrome...no one in Pak will raise a finger towards fixing this issue, because they are afraid of the mobs and people like Qadri who murder and become an Icon in the societies eyes. Majority will justify the act as a service to religion. Shabash meray azeem hum watnu.

SHAIKH IMRAN
Nov 04, 2014 07:12pm

@rahul

Junaid
Nov 04, 2014 07:12pm

Islam is the best religion and Muslims are the worst follower. The way Muslims have exploited Islam, even a non Muslim has not done that. They talk about Quran and Sunnah but have never took time out to read or understand it, One of the big reason what caused the Islam to spread, was the justice system and the protections of rights for individuals. Even on Fateh Makkah, Hazrat Muhammad PBUH forgave every one including his big nemesis, his own uncle. Islam does not preach, one person being Judge, jury and executioner but unfortunately, our illiterate Muslims (should not even call them Muslims) fail to realize this.

Khurram
Nov 04, 2014 07:13pm

Question: Why these desecrated the Qur'an in the first place? I do not condone the killing of the people without a trial but why aren't condemning the act of desecrating Qur'an in the process of condemning the people killing them?

rafaqatwan
Nov 04, 2014 07:13pm

Shameful episode in the history of pakistan.

Kamran khan
Nov 04, 2014 07:14pm

@JAVED RAHMAN . Nothing new, this happens all the time, just doesn't get reported.

Irshad Khan Canada
Nov 04, 2014 07:14pm

To stop this insanity every one responsible of killing Christian couple must be brought to justice , any one found guilty must face the appropriate punishment. The Justice has to be quick and candid.

Khizr
Nov 04, 2014 07:15pm

Government is the reflection of its people. People are being intoxicated with hatred and misguided religious preaching by ill-educated mullahs whom we have given too much freedom and money. Judiciary and the law makers MUST fix the law to protect the lives of the innocent people of Pakistan, specially the minorities. Also, Pakistan should drop the title of 'Islamic Republic of' from its name.

Najam
Nov 04, 2014 07:18pm

Uncivilised and barbaric nation. No politician will speak up for the Christians as they are devoid of courage, humanity and sense of fairness. Imran where are your big words. Like others you will make a bland statement ("we condemn this action etc.) and move on. Can some stand up and protect the Christians. Most of the leaders have been educated by the Christians but in their hour of need no will extend them a helping hand. The killing and suffering goes on,

Khalid
Nov 04, 2014 07:22pm

@Saad What a silly argument. Does having all these people in Pakistan justify what happened?.

Muhammad Jaffar
Nov 04, 2014 07:22pm

Pakistan absolutely going a regression of darkness.

dipak
Nov 04, 2014 07:23pm

because of govt. policy not to take action, allowing so called internationaly decalared terririst for delivering hate speech towards nonmuslims, this is the result. inpact of such kind of horror activity is giving more damage.. now wait and watch poor pakistani people will have to face action reactions internationaly.

Nazir
Nov 04, 2014 07:24pm

This is a really sad incident. May they rest in peace.

zia
Nov 04, 2014 07:25pm

The biggest culprit is Punjab govt and their leader

Saood
Nov 04, 2014 07:25pm

Education and common sense are missing from this country this is not a secular vs. religious issue, this is an ignorance issue and barbaric mob mentality issue.

Uzair
Nov 04, 2014 07:26pm

@John Doe not just minorities but the majorities as well who are not connected.

Khan
Nov 04, 2014 07:28pm

Let us see the great Captain IK and the great Scholar TQ, if they have the courage, openly condemn this as an ugly event

Ammy
Nov 04, 2014 07:28pm

Islam is considered the youngest of the religions across the world ! Is that the reason some people having faith in Islam are more intolerant than people having faith in religions which are older? ( it's not a generalising statement, not all of them are intolerant, but Muslims have become a cause of unrest in most part of the world ) Or is it that the message of Islam is being interpreted wrongly by scrupulous forces ?

I'd like to have healthy and sincere comments , not demeaning or belittling any religion, because it's for sure that no religion preaches violence. Moderators,request you to please publish this.

danish
Nov 04, 2014 07:29pm

this is absolutely sad event. how can they capture someone unarmed, kill and then burn their bodies.islam never teaches such things.our religion and prophet never taught such things. islam never approves such act.the govt should bring all them to justice without any delay

Nafisa
Nov 04, 2014 07:30pm

I wish that this story was a piece of fiction, but its not!

Salim A
Nov 04, 2014 07:30pm

And now you know why the world has begun to hate Islam and Muslims. Muslims are now identified through these barbarians. Until the cowardly leaders of this nation stand up to this mob mentality, someday, these same people will be at your door. If they can take Salman Taseer, they can take you too.

Khalid Toronto
Nov 04, 2014 07:32pm

Good thing Cowasjee is not alive to read this..

ajeet
Nov 04, 2014 07:32pm

But kuch likhne ka Mann h...par kuch likhte nhi banta...insaan itne bhi jalim ho Sakta h.. Where are we going...shame on us...pakistanio..aap logo ka zameer kab jagega...ab to kuch Karo.

MALIK
Nov 04, 2014 07:33pm

@rahul This is one of the incident, really bad but saying that real face of Pakistan. Did you forget the these type of incident in India against Christian, where the village were burnt in MP. And in the other state the villagers were left their home and flew away in the jungle due to fear of Hindu fundamentalist. So, do not see these things in this manner every where who is doing these these type of work, it is wrong and evil is every where

jsm
Nov 04, 2014 07:35pm

and you(pakistan)want kashmir to be with pakistan.

Saad
Nov 04, 2014 07:36pm

@Khalid No It doesn't. Nothing justifies it. Take a look a what i replied to. The other poster said that Pakistan only produced terrorists. It sure does but it's wrong to say it ONLY produced terrorists.

Dr.Hunain
Nov 04, 2014 07:36pm

Unfortunately, our nation is full of people who are willing and on the verge of beheading the person in front of him or her just on the basis of difference of opinion. It really is shocking, and will lead us to a bottom less pit called oblivion

Salim A
Nov 04, 2014 07:38pm

@Whiskey Khan These extremists are doing their best to destroy Islam. The growth of Atheists and non practicing Muslims is on a fast rise.

Gandullah
Nov 04, 2014 07:39pm

This is very sad.

Aysha
Nov 04, 2014 07:39pm

Please US, give asylum to AAALLLL minorities of Pakistan.

SAROJ
Nov 04, 2014 07:39pm

@Junaid Can you digest? The biggest reason to spread Islam was SWORD . It was spread by SWORD... Force conversions.. What do you think how your ancestors had accepted Islam? the second reason is the huge numbers of births , most of the muslim families would not have less than 4 .. I have seen even with 10 children , 2 wives. How is islam spreading in Iraq and Syria now ? Killing all non muslims. How come 30% minority has become less than 3 % in pakistan?

Atheist Pakistani
Nov 04, 2014 07:52pm

I'll just say one thing that there is no religion above humanity. Try to look beyond religion, human life would become more precious.

Mustafa J.
Nov 04, 2014 07:53pm

Every single person who was in the mob leading to murder of two people are accessories to murder and deserve death penalty. If government of Pakistan and justice system of Pakistan do not perform their duties, it will send wrong message to the entire world as to where Pakistan stands. It will be easier for Pakistan to hang a thousand Pakistanis who took law in their own hand than to face the consequences of "Government protected lawlessness" in Pakistan.

Ash
Nov 04, 2014 07:55pm

Pakistani settled overseas sound rational, reasonable and progressive.

Amir Khan
Nov 04, 2014 07:55pm

@rahul did you forgot what happened to Christans in India few years ago, please refresh your mind .

These kind of fanatics live in every country not only in Pakistan . We should condem them and not try to blame the country.

Thanks. Amir Kha

Ash
Nov 04, 2014 07:56pm

@Akil Akhtar I agree that the real reason may be some other dispute.

Taimur
Nov 04, 2014 07:58pm

How many times desecration is done daily in my country when corruption is done by those who claim to be real Muslims, when women are raped, when innocent people are killed by terrorists - and then nobody raise voice or even protest. Shameful for Muslims who on one side are mourning the killing of grandson and family members of Prophet Muhammad saw and on other side killing people

Syed Zaheer Ali
Nov 04, 2014 07:58pm

In the early days of Islam non muslim use to convert into muslims by the good manners of the fellow muslims. Now things have changed by the handful, so called muslims, who hate the humanity. If this is continued, it will badly harm the religion of Islam and muslims. Some people in the position of power and preachings must wake up and do something to stop it.

Marina
Nov 04, 2014 07:58pm

How shameful, that's why we need to rid Pakistan of fanatics. Please start introducing the real teachings of our beloved prophet (PBUH) in our schools so ppl know how tolerant he was to ppl from other religions. Who are we to punish anyone, Allah is watching everything Only He has the right to punish

Bharat
Nov 04, 2014 07:58pm

While coming to office today on Muharram,I saw small Muslims children's carrying jugs and offering water to all passerby which was so compassionate to watch. I believe and trust that this TRUE ISLAM which has been recently high jacked by few peoples or groups. Killing someone just because he or she didn't believe in what your believe is absolutely pathetic and absurd.People over centuries have converted to ISLAM because it preaches love,peace and respect for everyone even with your enemy.Also I believe any sacred books whether it is Quran or Gita or bible cant be "desecrated" by few individuals or groups. I believe intellectual class of Pakistan should and must stand against it.

Mmb
Nov 04, 2014 07:58pm

This mentality is rampant in punjab and rural sindh. Please educate yourself to become better human beings.

shahid sadik
Nov 04, 2014 07:58pm

As expected almost all Dawn readers condemn killing of innocent people. My question is how about the majority ? Do they discuss this kind of events in Friday prayer gatherings ?

Observer
Nov 04, 2014 07:59pm

@rahul This is a heinous crime but before you label it as “Face of Pakistan”, you may want to check the rate of hate crime in India.

ibiubu11
Nov 04, 2014 07:59pm

@Sunil I'm a Pakistani, let me tell you this was 100% made up story. If you want to take anyone property or life no matter what religion, all you have to do is accuse them of blasphemy and the mob would do the rest. This is the Pakistan I live in. Sunil pray for our country, on second thought maybe not lest someone accuse YOU of blasphemy. Peace

Kanwarch
Nov 04, 2014 08:02pm

@Khalid agree totally. This is brutality which people are doing in the name of religion. God help us

dr. malik
Nov 04, 2014 08:03pm

@Awais

harvinder
Nov 04, 2014 08:03pm

Pakistan is in shambles. I feel sorry for them, their politicians and media is so obsessed with India bashing that they forget to set their backyard right. There is no place or security for minorities in Pakistan. After 1947, number of minorities have drastically fallen there while in India the same figures saw drasticase. May better sense prevail

The Kingdom of Khazaria
Nov 04, 2014 08:05pm

This is what happens when you do a RACIST false flag defamatory operation on 1.7 Billion Muslims in New York on Sep 11, 2001 and then initiate a bunch of wars.

Thee Norman and Viking USA and the Khazar Neocons have won the war for which they did 9-11 false-flag. In Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya they have succeeded in making muslim fight muslim and destroyed their economy and infrastructure, and Sudan and Indonesia they have partitioned, and removed the attention from Palestine and Kashmir.

Farhan Saeed
Nov 04, 2014 08:06pm

Are we ever going to understand that our Holy Prophet never asked Allah to destroy them but he asked God to bless them. Every one is accountable for his or her own deeds. If anyone has committed such crime, are we permitted to kill them??

rahul puri
Nov 04, 2014 08:06pm

What’s the worrying factor is how the majority feels threatened. And the answer perhaps lies in the majority being a minority, be it Pakistan or India, in the whole participative process. They just have no say in what lies in fate for them, and the anger is triggered and spills out over issues where the collective feels it has a say — however absolutely misplaced it may be.

Ash
Nov 04, 2014 08:12pm

@A Sheikh It's not important that only 1% people do it. Most of the people are encouraged to so because nobody get punished after doing so. And they go unpunished because such act has larger support in the society and that supporting is not limited to 1% but much higher proportion (quite large to represent almost whole Pakistani society). People who did this crimes are treated as hero in Jail, is common knowledge.

komal s
Nov 04, 2014 08:14pm

@Nomez sorry, a better question would be where collectively Pakistani society failed for things like this to happen in regular interval.

Ameen
Nov 04, 2014 08:14pm

I just have to say that who ever is responsible for killing these people has no idea what Islam is all about. They are just bunch of useless failed in their lives people who are a complete failure in life and try to hide behind Islam, by showing how faithful they are to Islam.

These people make lives difficult of other Muslims who want to live in peace and harmony. Simply put, these people are a disgrace for Islam and Pakistan. I encourage every one to leave no room in Pakistan for these animals. I also want to request to Muslim Muftis to give their opinion on this matter in open, it is their responsibility.

Thanks -

sarfraz
Nov 04, 2014 08:14pm

Just feeling so bad about being pakistani , I don't know how it will take for this society to be civilized and I am sure not during my time.

Pulak Mukherjee
Nov 04, 2014 08:15pm

All those Pakistanis who compare this act with the treatment to Muslims in India (Gujarat & Kashmir) should remember that the non-Muslim population (particularly the Hindus) have dwindled to insignificance in Pakistan while the Muslim/Christian percentage of population in India always shows an upward trend. Face facts, India is way ahead of Pakistan by any index of civilization. Any comparison with India is meaningless.

komal s
Nov 04, 2014 08:16pm

@Salim A it is your establishment that encouraged these fringe elements. You have to introspect what you guys as a country want.

rolland
Nov 04, 2014 08:17pm

Sir: Were the accusations against the couple fairly and impartially investigated? Did they have the opportunity to tell their side of the story? Where is law and order and justice in Pakistan? Who metes out punishment? the judiciary or the mob? This is terrible shame and disgrace on the Pakistani state.

Naseerhyder
Nov 04, 2014 08:18pm

@rahul This incident is horrible, but what Indians are doing to Muslims in India is also real face of Indians, don't forget the massacre of Muslims in Gugrat, where thousands of of Muslims were brutally murdered by Hindus extremists, the recent incident at Wagah border where 60 plus innocent Pakistanis died because of Indians. Again I'm not defending those who did this heinous crime in Lahore.

Hassan Parvez
Nov 04, 2014 08:19pm

Shame, Shame, Shame. I don't expect any condemnation from Nawaz and Zardari but can't understand why Imran is mum on this tragedy. I urge Pakistani Canadians, Pakistani Americans, Pakistani Europeans to raise this issue with their respective members of Parliament. I urge all human rights organisations of the world to condemn the Pakistani government for its failure to protect the Ahmedis, Hindus and Christians and Shias. Where are the religious parties in Pakistan, why they are not saying any thing, they are always doing the propaganda that Islam is a religion of peace In the end I challenge Dawn to show its courage in printing my comment.

Khalid Toronto
Nov 04, 2014 08:21pm

@Atheist Pakistani well said.

Sandip Bhattacharya
Nov 04, 2014 08:21pm

NO, they were BURNT alive!

Sandip Bhattacharya
Nov 04, 2014 08:22pm

@Sudhakar Great comment!

Ali
Nov 04, 2014 08:22pm

Such actions are committed by illiterate people, who are driven more by cultural emotions, especially when it comes to sub Continent. Wise people do not commit such acts.

Lajwar
Nov 04, 2014 08:23pm

Logical response is super quick and impartial inquiry and speedy justice to the criminals. Once justice is served and the kins of the victims compensated, then apply measures to stop such brutal crimes. This will show writ of Pakistani state and resolve to keep the society a sane and civilized one.

hindustani
Nov 04, 2014 08:24pm

its good to see that most of the pakistanis are ashamed of this. Atleast some humans are still there. First it has to be confirmed that blasphemy is really the cause or something else. Sometimes there are some easy ways to escape.

Naveed
Nov 04, 2014 08:28pm

And that too in the "most Educated and developed" part of Pakistan i.e Punjab. Jaag mere Punjab, kay Pakistan chala!

Asim
Nov 04, 2014 08:28pm

Is there any proof that they have done this or it just another cover up for something else?

Dr. Sadaf
Nov 04, 2014 08:30pm

I am amazed at the speed at which comments start pouring in from our neighbors, it seems they are always logged in and waiting for some negative news to pounce on, so much of hatred cannot believe myself. As for the news it is sad and brutal behavior on show, but have we ever heard that muslims burnt or desecrated any holy books. In such incidents one never knows what really happened and what has been reported.

concerned_kashmiri
Nov 04, 2014 08:31pm

Since there are so many such cases happening, I believe some of them are real blasphemers. Just common sense. Why do such a thing when u know consequences will be such. I am in no way advocating or promotional ng such practice.

concerned_kashmiri
Nov 04, 2014 08:31pm

@rahul Indians take no time in jumping the gun. Shame on you.

ejaz
Nov 04, 2014 08:32pm

@rahul Rahul; where are you from? it is real face of Southeast Asian countries. where the tolerance for others is being diminish.

SAD-MAN
Nov 04, 2014 08:33pm

It is sad situation - intolerance - lack of education- none law and order situation - anarchy . illiterate - extreme actions . Islam preaches tolerance - forgiveness - Prophet (P.B.U.H) visited the women and inquire about her health - while the women used to throw 'garbage' on him . Do we ever learn any lessons and practice . " do we practice what we preach"

james kellogs
Nov 04, 2014 08:34pm

Blasphemy is a hugely sensitive issue in the country as the writer says. Its NOT. The problem in Pakistan is "total Illiteracy ". I have said it a million times, that we HAVE EVERYTHING in Pakistan but literacy !!! NOTHING; politics, degraded culture, livelihood, etiquette, courtesy, life, quality of living, sense of belonging, goodwill, neighborhood sense, civility, etc. etc., will change, unless we bring in QUALITY EDUCATION that applies to the human race in these times. Not ONLY religious education.

Ajay vikram Singh
Nov 04, 2014 08:34pm

After going through comments, you can clearly see what the problem really is. What a bunch of Hypocrites. Why dont you say it loud and clear that - Blasphemy laws themselves are blasphemous and fundamentally anti-religious. Also anti-human.

Just say it clearly that a religion does not get insulted or promoted by these mundane and ordinary deeds. A religion is essentially beyond human actions and corruption. Say that, you welcome criticism of religions, because that acceptance itself is a religious act. Say it and abolish blasphemy laws. Hypocrites!

hanif Smile
Nov 04, 2014 08:36pm

This is what happens when you don't sepend money on Education. I can go worse. So Sad, We are back to the barbaric period.

Khalid
Nov 04, 2014 08:36pm

@Dr. Rahman I would beg to disagree. Sadly, THIS is the real face of Pakistan and reflects exactly how most Pakistanis behave. If this was not the real face of Pakistan, I would have expected an uproar in the country until the murderers are found and given the maximum punishment under the law. Pakistan has become a lawless country where people are allowed to do anything they want under the disguise of Islam. I am ashamed to be a Muslim and I am ashamed to be a Pakistani.

wiserneighbour
Nov 04, 2014 08:37pm

according to hafeez syed's India mobilised this crowd to defame Pakistan ! Pity you guys!

Afzal A. Neseem
Nov 04, 2014 08:37pm

The criminals who perpetuate such atrocities do so in the name of Islam and the Holy Prophet. A dominant part of the clergy of the country either support or look away from this barbarity. There seems to be no possibility of rectifying the situation till the cover of Islam used by the criminals is removed once and for all and crime of all kind is treated and punished as crime. The only way this can be done is by separating religion from the state. Pakistan was created as Pakistan not as the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan. The prefix Islamic Republic only is a part of the cover for extremists and militants.

Kartik
Nov 04, 2014 08:40pm

Seems like neither government nor majority of Pakistani people want minorities and thus day after day we see such incidents. This is their silent approval. Respect for life is stated paramount in any religion, which is easily forgotten!

K
Nov 04, 2014 08:41pm

I wonder when our govt will have the courage to give shut up call to these monsters

Nadman-Texas
Nov 04, 2014 08:43pm

Goes to Show how WE Pakistanis are inhuman. What a shame. GOD Almighty will protect The Quran, so who are these low life's to punish someone. Everyone knows that any minority will never even attempt to desecrate the Holy Book knowing the repercussion in this Land of Illiterates. Personal Vendettas and hatred has rendered this Country useless and we wonder why the Country is going to the Dogs. Even GOD would not care about these animals anymore. The Only Hope is to have a Ottoman Empire Revolution and wipe all these religious freaks out.

Zeeshan Ahmed
Nov 04, 2014 08:47pm

@rahul If mob violence is your definition of the public face, then the random ethnic cleansing flare ups that happen ever so often in India should serve as a wake up call.

khan
Nov 04, 2014 08:50pm

And we dare accuse other countries of not treating their minorities well.

SAROJ
Nov 04, 2014 08:51pm

@Amir Khan May be such incident happened YEARSSSS ago in India but it's definitely very old story so we Indians have difficulty to remember but in Pakistan this is daily routine so it's easy to remember.

shoukat sheikh
Nov 04, 2014 08:52pm

Yes it is bad and wrong (very wrong). But it is due to govt foreign and local policies.

People see their govt giving up so much to be close to the West and this is not setting right with people .

Pulak Mukherjee
Nov 04, 2014 08:52pm

Please do not compare Pakistan with any other country in the world particularly secular, liberal and progressive India. Pakistanis are quick to point a finger at Kashmir, Gujarat etc. as Indian atrocities against Muslim minorities. But the percentage of Hindus in Pakistan has dwindled to less than 2 % from more than 20% at the time of partition. The Muslim population in India on the contrary has shown a steady increase since then. Even if you take Kashmir, the Muslims have not migrated to Pakistan to escape so-called Indian atrocities like the Afghans did to escape the Russians. In short, a Pakistan where Qari is publicly garlanded for a religious murder can never be compared with India. Pakistan is a country with barbaric value system where non-believers are easy targets.

syed baqar ahsan
Nov 04, 2014 08:53pm

Founding father of street justice is Punjab Police and the CM-just go back look into last 10 year history of Punjab.

Tango
Nov 04, 2014 08:53pm

@ all Indians on this site what is your interest in surfing this news paper.

Please do not defame Pakistan, this is a case of uneducated people verses uneducated people. Most of these cases are results of arguments between these people, both parties have no clue about the tolerance in ISLAM and also not to make insulting statement against the book and the prophet (SAW) to enrage their uneducated opponent. In both countries the uneducated people react with violence when their sentiments are heart.

Do not forget Hindu-Muslim facads that still happen in India on petty things.

What happened in Gujrat India is still the most shameful act and was incited and supported by your PM Mr. Modi. So Shut up. I condemn all such acts. Dawn should also be careful in labeling these news carefully.

khan
Nov 04, 2014 08:55pm

@salman

Like PTI is going to stop these things. We want to negotiate with the Taliban.

Nabila Bhatti
Nov 04, 2014 08:57pm

No words...........

Ali
Nov 04, 2014 08:58pm

@Ghazanfar you cannot compare the two incidents. The Quran condemns murder. You are part of the problem.

Sam
Nov 04, 2014 08:58pm

@JackDomm It does not matter, even if they are not killed by the mob, court would have given them death penalty, Best to change this law itself, should give a lesser punishment like couple years of jail.

Kabeer Das
Nov 04, 2014 08:58pm

There are a couple of things worth noting: 1. The couple's name was 'Shama and Shehzad' --- Do these names sound Christian. Have Pakistanis ever thought why non-
muslims adopt Muslim sounding names? 2. I am surprised that many Pakistanis express anguish and surprise when such cold blooded murders take place. Don't they know that their society has decentralized violence. Any Muslim can decide that the other person is enemy of Islam or has committed blasphemy and take unilateral action, without any procedure for ascertaining the veracity of the alleged guilt. What action has the Satate of Pakistan taken against such killers in the last 60-65 years?

Lyallpuri
Nov 04, 2014 08:58pm

God is looking at everything

Naeem
Nov 04, 2014 08:59pm

The blasphemy law has to be repealed. It does not bother anybody that we daily blasphemy the Prophet by not following his teachings of compassion, fairness, telling the truth and helping the less fortunate.

How sad that we are now ruled by ignorant mobs. As usual Shabaz Sharif has constituted a committee to what end. The policy has to change with emphasis on education instead of useless Metro bus projects. In 1638 the foundation of Harvard University was laid in Boston. In 1638 Shah Jehan started the construction of the Taj Mahal. See what Harvard did for America and what we got from the Taj Mahal.

Laddoo
Nov 04, 2014 08:59pm

Few illiterate and perhaps unemployed people do this crime (yes it is a crime unless proven beyond reasonable doubt and even if proven still not warranted to be put to death) and commenters (specially Indian) think that this is the face of entire Pakistan and Islam blah blah blah.

This is very rare. Even one is too many but to say that the entire Pakistan is like this is like saying entire India is accused of gang rapes. Get real people. Yes this is a problem and needs sorting out forcefully. Minorities must be protected under Islamic law. This is what Islam orders and teaches. Anything else is just going against Islam like this mob did.

Aiman
Nov 04, 2014 09:00pm

This should be condemned by all parties and people should be educated that you cannot take law into your own hands. Killing someone is simply wrong.

Zafar Abbas
Nov 04, 2014 09:00pm

The responsible must be punished. Pakistan has to get out of this anarchy? Those responsible MUST be dealt so no one dares again. Its a shame to belong to this nation and these kind of Muslims.

Kashif
Nov 04, 2014 09:00pm

@Saad well here we go Dr. Abdul Salaam was kicked out of Pakistan.........Malala is outcast.......Eidhi was robbed in broad daylight..Sharmeen lives outside Pakistan.......need I go more?

syed baqar ahsan
Nov 04, 2014 09:03pm

@Ghazanfar ,a net work is very active and its a coordinated move and it has not happened just like this and police is kept away till mission completed-used innocent people from both side-its live drama horror-everything should have been filmed to be shown wide to continuously project negative Pakistan.

Sam
Nov 04, 2014 09:03pm

@Adeel Bro (1) Gujarat incident was a reaction for many karsevaks burnt live for their activity, do you know that..it was not just killing because they are of opposite religion. (2) When a PM of a country is killed by a particular religion people because of her acts earlier had caused some pain to their religion - people reacting to that is very different story compared to the one in discussion..right?

Vonpaulus
Nov 04, 2014 09:06pm

And you Pakistanis complain about human rights in India?!!!!

Sunil
Nov 04, 2014 09:08pm

@ibiubu11 I wish Pakistan a very stable country, where every one lives in harmony, with peace and tranquility, a good neighbor of India, Afghanistan, Iran and China.

syed
Nov 04, 2014 09:08pm

Very very sad incident, This is all because no rule of law. No one is safe regardless......... Robbery, Dacoits, snatching, ransom, car snatching, you name it. Our leaders are part of this corruption. But we have selected them so we have to pay the price.

Isarivelan
Nov 04, 2014 09:17pm

@Well Said

Well Said

SA
Nov 04, 2014 09:17pm

This is very shameful. Where was police when mob was doing all this? There is no law for an ordinary Pakistani - they are not considered human at all. All previlages and law is only for the influencials and corrupt politicians. I am sure there are many incidences other than religion when mob if given free hand will do same for majority of current politicians but they don't - why - you all know the answer. In this case, the person responsible to instigate the mob should be hanged in front of all so that in future any one whether a maulvi or a so called religious leader think before declaring any fatwa.

It's time for all to stand up against these injustices.

Aleem
Nov 04, 2014 09:18pm

A shameful act indeed. We talk about Islam, an Islamic state, a constitution based on Islam. All these are just on paper and not actually implemented. This country needs a better educational system.

Arsalan
Nov 04, 2014 09:22pm

Please name one nation that has to primarily bank on its people to become prosperous (not counting oil based countries), and is not diverse.

Saeed
Nov 04, 2014 09:22pm

Only exemplary punishment to the culprit can stop this menace. But our judiciary and our leaders are too scared by real criminals.

Riaz
Nov 04, 2014 09:25pm

All fault of parties like JUI, JI,and other like these who support blasphemy laws and indoctrinate the public with false doctrines (the doctrines which have nothing to do with real Islam).There is no detail what actually was allegedly done to the copy of Quran.But if the copy of Quran was not being looked after and was just found in the rubbish then surely the Muslim owner or owners are guilty of blasphemy & not the unfortunate couple.Being a Muslim I can't understand how a nonbeliever can be accused of blasphemy when he or she does not believe in Islam ,I think they can only be accused of disturbing the peace if they publically injure the feelings of Muslims or others. Moreover mobrule should not be allowed and all culprits including the owner of the brick kiln be charged with first degree murder ,there may even be a mobile phone video of the shameful incident as people are very keen to film every incident . As well as there may have been a TV reporter present.The incident is really a very Barbarous and tragic and as Muslims we all must be ashamed of ourselves and of what is being done in our name and in the name of Islam.

Khurshid Anwar
Nov 04, 2014 09:28pm

Seriously we call us Muslims I cannot comprehend this. We have no idea what Quran is? We have moved away from the preaching of Quran and the teaching of Prophet Muhammand PBUH.

Mohit sharma
Nov 04, 2014 09:31pm

@Dr. Rahman doc those who did it are not a big problem however those who let it happen are the even more culprit. If 1% have been radicalised what about rest 99% who supported it passively or otherwise.

Concern
Nov 04, 2014 09:32pm

Pakistan; Instead of going forward. We are going Backwards. I still remember in 70's 80's and even early 90's, things were very nice. Since we have Shuria Law imposed in our Country and Uneducated Mullahs putting wrong things in our public head. Things are gone bad to worse. Plus these Madarsas have created a lot of Militants in our Country. And most important, lack of education in our Country. That's the one Killing everyone in our Country.

Rvel
Nov 04, 2014 09:36pm

Lets protest at liberty chowk Lahore, this Friday 5pm. The liberal and secular voices need to come out, not just register there protest on social media.

RSK
Nov 04, 2014 09:36pm

As an Muslim,I strongly condemn this brutal act of violence. Being an Indian muslim,I think I am much safer as a minority in my country.Had muslims cared to understand what is in their Holy Quran,things would have been different.Its a shame for not only Pakistan but for the Muslims all over the world.

Suren
Nov 04, 2014 09:40pm

@Safdar You will not understand secular India unless you spend some time in India.

Akram
Nov 04, 2014 09:44pm

This is indeed a terrible incident, as most can see Pakistanis are condemning it. the perpetrators should be punished. But some indians are quick to jump on the bandwagon of blaming Pakistani itself rather than the mob. After Gujerat and after Ayodhya, should we also blame india? the fact is we know not every indian is bad, we know Gandhi is not to blame personalyl for this but still some indians like to point fingers.

Unlike india we are not about to elect this mob to be PM. Something for indian readers to ponder.

Ali-Indian
Nov 04, 2014 09:48pm

@Sher check Syria

FAITH
Nov 04, 2014 09:53pm

This immoral & cruel act, I would blame Punjab Governor, government failed to provide protection to its citizens, people have taken law in their own hand, because current corrupt Government and they don't have any power to enforce the law, these people who committed this crime also know no action against will be taken against them.

faisal
Nov 04, 2014 09:53pm

Real face of Pakistan??? No, this is a real face of a MOB as the article says. This doesnt represent Pakistan. Crimes of a bunch of mischiefs a murderers dont represent our society. These people need to be brought to justice.

Its like saying the gang rapers in India present the real face of Indians. Its wrong to say that.

Pakisrani
Nov 04, 2014 09:54pm

I bet majority of the people involved in this brutal murder won't even be able to reciete Quran, let alone understand its message in letter and spirit....

sunny
Nov 04, 2014 09:55pm

every society has sick deviants. It's really something else though when a society has more of these on a per capita basis.

RRS
Nov 04, 2014 09:56pm

Shame on us

True Fact
Nov 04, 2014 09:57pm

Please reelect this govt gain n again so this country burns itself..

Karachi Karachi
Nov 04, 2014 09:59pm

Shameful and pathetic. I am not proud to be called a citizen of this country. The biggest sin is to kill someone and these animals will do this without impunity. Where is the tolerance my fellow Pakistanis? Also, it is our job to bring awareness and education to this country. Without education, we will always be living in stone age.

rony
Nov 04, 2014 09:59pm

@Ghazanfar

did you see them doing that ??

rony
Nov 04, 2014 10:02pm

@Saad

so ??

ExaltedMan
Nov 04, 2014 10:03pm

This is the benefit of Zia-Ul Haq's "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan. Now only neanderthals with hyper dose of drug live here !!!

Human
Nov 04, 2014 10:03pm

We are facing what we sow in Cold war and make our policy as snowballing position in Pakistan. So this is even victim of Muslims and minorities.

hassan
Nov 04, 2014 10:07pm

Such are acts that invoke the wrath of God. May Allah punish those who are responsible for doing wrong. No hope at all, from our judiciary or police to deliver justice.

Rahim Borah
Nov 04, 2014 10:10pm

Nobody should grab the land belonging to these two peasants.

Saifuddin Takhtawala
Nov 04, 2014 10:10pm

Enough is enough. It seems that writ of the law of land exists no where in our country. Stop these extra judicial killings and save the country before it is too late.

Vaibhav Bhatt
Nov 04, 2014 10:11pm

I am sure an educated Pakistani doesn't support this. Let's propagate the message of tolerance and peace. I know "as said by many muslims" Islam is a religion of peace, but let's accept unless these people really understand what spirituality and what actually God expect out of them, they will never understand the real meaning of any religion. Hence let's not blame it on any religion, but let's blame it on people.

rony
Nov 04, 2014 10:11pm

@Tango

supreme court did not find modiji guilty then who are you to find him guilty

FYI yesterday durign muharam procession hindus marched ahead only to assure safety of procession

will anyone in paksitan do that for minority community ??

Sayyar Khan
Nov 04, 2014 10:14pm

Country of animals. Barbaric. Cowards.

Muhammad Shafqat-ur-Rehman
Nov 04, 2014 10:15pm

It's nice I have been updated by this mean. The TV channels are not reporting completely. Thanks to Dawan. Nothing could be speculated till unveiling the reality. It's whom failure?

Pakhtun
Nov 04, 2014 10:17pm

Damned and doomed.

Zahid
Nov 04, 2014 10:18pm

Completely unislamic. The culprits should be punished. This is nothing but vigilantism.

shami
Nov 04, 2014 10:19pm

This is really regretful.

UD
Nov 04, 2014 10:19pm

I see some very good and neutral comments from very good and neutral Pakistanis. But how many Pakistanis have opposed and demonstrated on the streets ever after such events? If these satans are also burnt alive for killing innocent people then next time somebody would think twice before committing such heinous crime.

R. Kalita
Nov 04, 2014 10:20pm

This is Pakistan. This is how Pakistanis are saving their country. Shameful.

Jamal
Nov 04, 2014 10:27pm

@John Doe not only minorities. This should be said to all decent Pakistanis!

WK
Nov 04, 2014 10:28pm

As a Pakistani and a Muslim, I strongly condemn this incident. It is very sad moment for Pakistan. May Allah bless their souls.

Political leaders, mullahs, and police along with the mob should be held responsible for this incident. They are all busy creating divisions between religions and within Islam. Mullahs say that under Sharia, rights and welfare of minorities will be safeguarded and protected. This incident proves the otherwise. It proves that why rest of the world think Sharia is wrong and dangerous for non-Muslims. The uneducated mullahs and people who follow them are misinterpreting every Islamic principle. So rest of the world, stop believing that these are representatives of Islam.

Hassan
Nov 04, 2014 10:28pm

No hope for Pakistan. Thanks Zia ul Haq.

Deed
Nov 04, 2014 10:30pm

A shameful society ........with no moral grounds..... I am ashamed of being Pakistani and Muslim!!!

Rev. Eldrick Lal
Nov 04, 2014 10:32pm

These executioners are scourges of the society.

ray
Nov 04, 2014 10:35pm

I cannot imagine the anguish and pain the deceased's family members must be in. Losing your loved ones to such a brutal murder.... Please Pakistani Muslims, support minorities and stand up for them. Saying things like "Pakistan is not all bad" or that "only tragedies are highlighted in news" will only hamper progress because it implies you care more about appearances instead of bringing to light the issues the oppressed face. We must work on building a tolerant society and improve conditions of minorities.

waseem
Nov 04, 2014 10:35pm

Its the failure of leadership. The leadership should come forwards and denounce these acts and punish the culprits. I am sorry that the CM of punjab instead of ordering the arrest of the culprits, forms a three member commettee for investigating the issues. It is shameful cowardness of SS,that he not only failed in protecting his citizens, but also afraid to lead the community. This is the dilemma, that 80 people are killed in twim church attack in Peshawar and IK the champion of new Pakistan fails to denounce the act, and does not go to see even the victims and the families.We need real leadership. All the current leaders are dailywagers.

Akhtar
Nov 04, 2014 10:44pm

This is a tragedy. Killing people is against Islam. The people who committed the crime should face jail. If they had sinned God will punish them. Man has no right to make a judgement on them.

siddharth
Nov 04, 2014 10:51pm

@Saad Note that they are all muslims.. it isn't a country where other faiths can flourish.

kranti
Nov 04, 2014 10:54pm

@Sudhakar His name is some Dr. Salaria. Understood

siddharth
Nov 04, 2014 10:54pm

Indian muslims are altogether a different race than Pakistani muslims....there is no similarity whatsoever.

muzjee
Nov 04, 2014 10:55pm

Dawn is reporting this as a main story saying that this was done for "allegedly desecrating a copy of the Holy Quran". News and Jang show it as a small story describing cause as several allegations including money. Wonder which one to believe.

Pakistani
Nov 04, 2014 10:55pm

Well after this episode we should not think more about why Pakistan is facing such challenges. This is because we are not human beings but living animals.. most animals don't kill their own bread.. Alot of work needs to be done yet!

SYED HASSAN HASEEB
Nov 04, 2014 10:56pm

very sad and sorry , what kind of attitude is this . it is strange that local police and administration is in effective in this kind of matters , they take side of attackers always . the ch minister is only good for taking official notice . later the police register fir what big job. nothing the case is closed , real shameful. unless the killers are punished this will continue .

Ajit
Nov 04, 2014 10:57pm

@Saad, For your information Dr. Abdussalam and Malala Yousafzai are living in exile. Abdussattar Edhi was kidnapped and looted not long before. Wasim Akram spends most of his time in India. Asima Jahangir gets threatening calls day and night. Never heard the names of Sharmeen-Chinoy and Ayesha Farooq and what is their name to fame. So the comments made are proper and not ignorant.

voice
Nov 04, 2014 10:57pm

This incident is not because of Quran. It is because of what student are being taught in schools. This is the result when you teach hatered to young students. This type of event will continue to occur till the government decide to change the syllabus.

Ajit
Nov 04, 2014 10:57pm

@Ather Shehab, terrorists and who else.

Tahera
Nov 04, 2014 11:04pm

Criminal vigilantes!!! Shame on the silent majority!!!

Ajit
Nov 04, 2014 11:08pm

@Khan-Haqiqi, Always negative news from whole of Pakistan.

kalman
Nov 04, 2014 11:08pm

@Khalid

Do not be ashamed of yourself and get emotional. As a citizen you can complain to your law makers about such atrocity and law enforcers should arrest these bad elements from the society and punish them if they are guilty.

Reader
Nov 04, 2014 11:13pm

Why do pakistanis especially muslims need any excuse to create havoc around the world. We muslims are supposed to be tolerant rather than killing everyone for no reason whatsoever. Shame!

glassyman
Nov 04, 2014 11:16pm

back to stone age

kalman
Nov 04, 2014 11:19pm

@Dr. Rahman

I agree. Well commented.

Confused
Nov 04, 2014 11:20pm

Unless an until the perpetrators are punished, this will not stop. So far, none of the people in any mob are punished in Pakistan - Is it any surprise that this keeps happening over and over.

JOHN
Nov 04, 2014 11:20pm

This is one of the most in human act towards a human being. I am a Pakistani Christian who loved my city karachi but I moved from that country years ago. I used to live side to a mosque, and hear every Friday the Mullah preach hatred against Minorities calling all Minorities as KAFAR (PAGANS). that was scary.

beautifulfall@yahoo.com
Nov 04, 2014 11:21pm

These so called muslims who have killed these two human beings for blasmphemy, should be tried for blasphemy themself. I am amazed at what our country is coming to. Shameful!

kalman
Nov 04, 2014 11:22pm

@Junaid

Few followers which is also in other religions. It is sad state in which we all are in.

Talat
Nov 04, 2014 11:27pm

uneducated animals born into Islam but do not practice the true teachings of a great religion.

Ali
Nov 04, 2014 11:29pm

@rahul I see comments from you on literally every article, do you not have a job? Or is this your day job ?

Anam Mushtaq
Nov 04, 2014 11:35pm

This will continue to happen. Why? Because no one has balls on the federal level to end this nonsense for once and for all. When Salman Taseer was shot down in the broad daylight, the killer should have been killed and hanged for the rest of idiotic individuals to see. This episode will only see the daylight for few coming days, after that all will be forgotten and voices will be shunned. The problem is we only speak when something happens, remain silent for the rest of the year. That animal who is in jail for Salman Taseer's muder ... first kindly hang him and send a message. Till then continue being a mere crowd who cant do anything just ' discuss '.

majid
Nov 04, 2014 11:39pm

Humanity first!!!!!!

love for all hatred for none.

Neltajohn
Nov 04, 2014 11:42pm

Imran Khan who wants to usher a new Pakistan is not condemning such acts. He said that he will stand for the minorities. Imran Khan is adamant for electoral reform will he be demanding reforms for the blasphemy laws. That is all about the new Pakistan.

ExaltedMan
Nov 04, 2014 11:50pm

@Hassan Correct !!!

ExaltedMan
Nov 04, 2014 11:52pm

At the moment, Pakistan has been hijacked. Policy failure to blame on !!!

Dr. Sehar Khan
Nov 04, 2014 11:53pm

Dawn News is the best ...Thanks for covering the suffering of Christians in Pakistan...Fair and Balance.

Qasim
Nov 04, 2014 11:55pm

These are man eater animals and not humans .. we need to educate the whole country and develop them so they act like human beings and not animals.

zafar supari
Nov 04, 2014 11:57pm

@N. Sid this is really sad. Just to defend ur deeds u r extracting very old news and adding links to ur comments. So you mean as Indians killed 500 it is justified that we can atleast kill two Christians.

glassyman
Nov 04, 2014 11:59pm

@N. Sid so u r competing with india on this matter rather than economics...... shows ur priorities

Indus
Nov 05, 2014 12:01am

@The Kingdom of Khazaria blame others

Indus
Nov 05, 2014 12:05am

@Moona one wrong can't justfi another wrong l do not support Gujarat riots but Hindus were also burnt before the riots. Yes government failed to protect citizens.

JackDomm
Nov 05, 2014 12:09am

@Sam I didnt suggest any discount on punishment, it should be death penalty but through proper procedure and not like that.

Irshad Memon
Nov 05, 2014 12:12am

Is this the society capable of living in?

Gr
Nov 05, 2014 12:19am

@Ghazanfar what is the proof that first incidence did happen?

brmurr
Nov 05, 2014 12:20am

There are plenty of uneducated Christians in this world too, but I don't hear about them attacking Muslims or accusing them of blasphemy, and burning them alive because of their religion. For those of you who keep saying that only the uneducated Muslims commit these crimes, please explain to me why you are defending them by saying that they are uneducated.

Abdul
Nov 05, 2014 12:23am

This is truly disgusting!

Nadeem
Nov 05, 2014 12:28am

Welcome to Jinnahs secular Pakistan ! Intolerance and inhumanity remains always supreme !

These actions are the betrayl of the founders of Pakistan.

Ragu
Nov 05, 2014 12:29am

Not one mullah utters one protest and not even a single FATWA! But if there is even a minor allegation of insult to them, there will be blood bath. This says it all ! The rest of the civilized nations better watch out! This is what Pakistani mobs are capable of.

Tariq Khan
Nov 05, 2014 12:31am

@Hassan Parvez , He has condemned it through twitter.

Hamid
Nov 05, 2014 12:33am

I am 100% positive not a single one of this mob actually saw the couple desecrating Quran. It is "He said, She said" mentality while police probably showed up on their convenience. Truly sad that few such people turning to violence have taken over the image of our country rather than a vast majority of peace loving, kind citizens.

Asad
Nov 05, 2014 12:33am

These words of Bertrand Russell have a cool effect on the burning heart: "Love is wise – Hatred is foolish." In this world, which is getting more and more closely interconnected, we have to learn to tolerate each other. We have to learn to put up with the fact, that some people say things we don't like. We can only live together in that way. But if we are to live together, and not die together, we must learn a kind of charity and a kind of tolerance which is absolutely vital, to the continuation of human life on this planet."

Merchant
Nov 05, 2014 12:35am

@rahul majority of Pakistan is condemning this cowardly act. So although you have managed a punchy remark, it is not truly representative of wider Pakistani attitude, just like you cannot take any Hindu extremist thinking as truly representative of Indian population in general. I as a Pakistani wholeheartedly condemn this most evil act of murder. Hope you and your countrymen will agree with this.

brmurr
Nov 05, 2014 12:36am

Christianity is strong enough to withstand the burning or desecration of a bible without resorting to violence, or even any form of punishment by man - even the most uneducated Christian, because the words in the bible are also in our hearts, and we believe that punishment is up to god. Why is this not true of Islam concerning the koran?

NASR
Nov 05, 2014 12:37am

The act of desecration of Quran or of blasphemy if committed by the Christian Couple or any other person is highly deplorable , condemnable and punishable but the horrific reaction and rage by the Mob towards the Christian Couple is inhumane and extremely worrisome. THIS INCIDENT IS NOTHNG BUT EVIDENCE OF IGNORANCE AND ILLETRACY ON THE PART OF THE VICTIMS PLUS THE KILLERS and clearly depicts the huge holes in our social and cultural structure.

DMDiL
Nov 05, 2014 12:39am

Every Single person in that village should be punish. I hope no Muslim from those beaten couple to death goes to Heaven... This is not the teaching of Islam... Shame on people of Kot Radha Kishan....

Mona
Nov 05, 2014 12:40am

Why can't these people leave Pakistan. In Muslim countries you can not say anything bad about the Prophet.

AYZA
Nov 05, 2014 12:43am

Ignorance is never bliss, and in this case - if this repulsive crime really took place then it's a sad reflection upon uneducated, barbaric villagers. Pakistan should promote rule of law, and if blasphemy did occur, then it should be dealt with in a just manner while also punishing those who killed the couple.

The government needs to add a clause in the blasphemy law whereby if anyone engages in activities offensive to the faith, then he or she should enter a program to educate them about blasphemy laws. This type of "re education" for non Muslims and others would be far more effective then letting illiterates take the law into their own hands and attack or kill using blasphemy laws as a shield from justice. These laws apparently give license to anyone to do as they please w/o the law requiring any hard evidence or facts from the perpetrators.

Mike
Nov 05, 2014 12:44am

@Whiskey Khan Thank you for your nice comments but what can we do to fix this problem. Those who took part in this horrible crime are also our brothers. Can we individual make any difference by taking to our friends our neighbors, our leaders on an ongoing basis and see if we can jointly teach them what is right in a civil society? We as citizens of Pakistan need to start having a debate among ourselves. Need to work with our friends, neighbors, family members, leaders and do something about changing the mindset against killings. Need to organize meeting with law enforcement and political organizer and let them know what do we as a citizens of Pakistan demand of them. We should not sit and complain but participate to move this country in the right direction.

Bob
Nov 05, 2014 12:45am

Anyone witnessed this incident since everyone has thrown their 10 cents in and off you go approach? Barbaric and deplorable act if it is what the reporter has claimed it to be. But it still doesn't warrant anyone to desecrate Holy Quran or any other Holy books or scripture. Religion is a serious matter and people should know how far they can go commiting blasphemy with being oblivious about sentiments and consequences, consequence being the key word here. So tolerance , education, open mind and understanding can only help all co exist in this ever changing small world where moral fabric has eroded and even human values are becoming endangered. wish all peace within.

Ikram
Nov 05, 2014 12:46am

Our Prophet went to the house of a lady who threw garbage on him every day, he wanted to see if she was ok. Which Islam are these people following? Our prophet taught tolerance and respect for all religions. Shame on these Muslims, they are not Muslims.

Toordada
Nov 05, 2014 12:48am

@Sher I know, towards the finish line.

Khalid
Nov 05, 2014 12:58am

@Anam Mushtaq Couldn't agree more.

Vns
Nov 05, 2014 01:03am

What kind of society is thus when a normal human beings convert to murderers on a normal day just because a printed book was alledgely desecrated ? What a great nation.

kumar swami
Nov 05, 2014 01:04am

Pakistan! A great country or what?

Sujit Singh
Nov 05, 2014 01:24am

@Talat 'great religion' - in shambles worldwide

brmurr
Nov 05, 2014 01:29am

This story is front page news all around the world. The world is waiting to see what Pakistan does to stop this behavior. We fear it will be business as usual in Pakistan. The world is watching.

Ahmad Jawad
Nov 05, 2014 01:31am

so now we are judge Jury and the executioner. This is so dark, I feel sorry for the minority communities living in "THE" Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the poor souls who died this gruesome death.

BILAL
Nov 05, 2014 01:40am

This is really sad and punishments should be given to all of those involved in this. Punishment for Desecrating Quran is not Death, not mentioned anywhere in Islam and its laws. So as muslims we stromgly oppose this cruel act and those who did this DO NOT represent Islam and Pakistan.

Syed Ahmed
Nov 05, 2014 01:48am

Those Muslims who beat a Christian couple to death and burnt their bodies in the brick kiln may not be knowing how to pray and some may not even be knowing to recite the first Kilma.

mrmela
Nov 05, 2014 01:48am

This has absolutely nothing to do with Religion but Un-education of severest form. If you know what I mean Mr Respectable PM! And all the N-Leaguers, especially the so called educated class.

Sajid
Nov 05, 2014 01:51am

The 'I" is the greatest problem, especially the 'I" backed by religion. If my religion, my prophet, my book is the best then naturally you are somewhat lesser and I have to move heaven and earth to reform you. But the feeling of a divine sanction behind the "I" can spawn lunatics out of regular people.

However, there is light at the end of the tunnel because more and more are recognizing that religion is a label. Labels can produce a Muslim, Sikh, Christian or Hindu but they cannot unite them--only the inherent humanity in our consciousness can make us do that.

Humaira
Nov 05, 2014 01:58am

No words to express my grief for this brutal act. Being Pakistani and being a Muslim I strongly condemn this act. Nobody should go beyond law. Pity that we have lost the worth of a human being.

Kamran khan
Nov 05, 2014 02:05am

@Dr. Rahman, these weren't some misfits, this was an entire village. This is the micro chasm of an entire nation. This happens on a regular basis in rural Pakistan. The media avoids covering these types of incidents. Instead of absolving yourself by minimizing this incident, I think we should take some substantive measures to change the direction of this country. Let's start by taking an objective look at the law itself. May be by revising it or abolishing it altogether might help improve the safety of minorities and image of Pakistan.

Khan
Nov 05, 2014 02:08am

@Mona They don't have to say anything against Prophet(PBUH).People use it to settle personal grudges.

Ash Kumar
Nov 05, 2014 02:18am

@Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali, it's not the republic of Pakistan. It's the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan. And therein lies your problem.

Vic
Nov 05, 2014 02:25am

@A Sheikh and the other 99% stand around and watch.

Vic
Nov 05, 2014 02:26am

@A Sheikh and the other 99% stand around and watch.

Vic
Nov 05, 2014 02:28am

@Ajamal not unable but unwilling.

Dr. Sehar Khan
Nov 05, 2014 02:46am

God's wrath is on Pakistan...Believe it or not...Pakistan is under the curse of God.

Hunzai
Nov 05, 2014 02:52am

This is one example of extremism. We should be very sorry to the Cristian minorities. Burning the dead bodies without an investigation is like the ultimate level of jahaalat. Shame on us.

Imran
Nov 05, 2014 03:05am

Why no action aganist Nato forces in Gutonama base for insulting/Burning on Quran? Why only Minorities?

Laddoo
Nov 05, 2014 03:08am

@Sujit Singh Muslims may be in shambles NOT Islam. Big difference.

Pakhtun
Nov 05, 2014 03:11am

@AYZA -----and also add exemplary punishment for wrongfully accusing someone of wrongdoing.

msm
Nov 05, 2014 03:27am

@rahul Is this any standard of passing judgements?

Fatama
Nov 05, 2014 03:30am

@Ghazanfar nobody burned any books. Don't you get it? Just an excuse to burn someone. Blessed, peaceful Paki muslims.

Sam
Nov 05, 2014 03:33am

State can not protect anyone, people are acting as a mob whenever they like. Its time to swing the royal danda and teach all criminals and terrorists a lesson once and for all...

Asad Khan
Nov 05, 2014 03:33am

@Ajamal You are right. PM & CM always ask for a report as if these are isolated incidents. It happens all the time without any action. It is called 'good governance' or 'rule of law'.

Whiskey Khan
Nov 05, 2014 03:42am

@Mike Thanks Mike, your point is well taken, My initial reaction to the news was emotional but heartfelt. This action is beyond rational human behaviour which is lately becoming a common occurrence among Muslims. I am sure God and Prophet never intend their followers to be this way. Since I am not a Pakistani or indian, I can only express my regrets on the subject

Regards

sajid
Nov 05, 2014 04:03am

All muslims should move to Mars where nobody will mess with them and we can all live in peace.

Peace Lover
Nov 05, 2014 04:11am

Ask.. what would Prophet (PBUH) do in this case.These so called custodians of religion are barbaric brutes. I hope the common man in Pakistan would come out on the street to protest against these incidents.

gigikumar
Nov 05, 2014 04:11am

Thanks Jinnah for liberating Pakistan from Indian Main land. If there is God he may be weeping by seeing this.

Shivaji
Nov 05, 2014 04:14am

He must be suffering from desert blindness. How come your article does not demand the arrest of the people to have committed this and other murders.

Omar
Nov 05, 2014 04:16am

This is terrible. The Punjab is rapidly spinning out of control. When will we punish the people who do these kinds of things?

iqbal
Nov 05, 2014 04:24am

And now you see why Pakistanis look stupid when they raise Kashmir issue in UN. This country is taking a very wrong path. Shame on politicians and mullahs.

independentthinker
Nov 05, 2014 04:28am

To ensure this type of behavior is not repeated again, I hope our government will make sure the culprits are brought to justice. It does not matter how many are found guilty, they all should get severe punishment and if not death, then life in prison. That is the only way we can ensure our minorities can enjoy the same rights like the rest of us.

Akil Akhtar
Nov 05, 2014 04:31am

I find our neighbors hilarious when they cannot let go of any opportunity to demonise Pakistan. The land of tolerance has burned hundred of churches and a priest and his children in their car and killed thousands of minorities over the last 67 years. LOL

Pramod
Nov 05, 2014 04:33am

They are not true Muslims it is against the teaching. PBUH never did behave like this.

list of such reason is endless but at the same time list of such acts is even bigger.

pervaiz
Nov 05, 2014 04:35am

is there any law in Pakistan ??? it is a country of lawlessness, law is only for poor and helpless

Sam
Nov 05, 2014 04:37am

Such a shameful action Mob should be punished. You can kill anyone like this We need to change this other wise we are spoiling our image. All the people who are involved should be sent to jail so no one can do this coward things again. I am so sad to know this bad news.

Kamran khan
Nov 05, 2014 04:40am

@Khan, but the majority is afraid of the minority (or they are passive participants). If the majority of people in Pakistan are true Muslims, then why don't I see these Muslims stand up and stop these 1% which are giving the 99% bad name.

Das
Nov 05, 2014 04:44am

Tragic news for those who died and more so for those who killed. This is the very nation where people are imprisoned and can even be executed for blasphemy! Sadly large number of people in this dysfunction theocratic state of by the zealots, of the zealots and for the zealots are too obsessed with their religion, far more than people of any other faith. Their brains have shrunk with excessive religiosity to the extent that are incapable of accepting notion that their religion, like other faiths, is simply a human construct. Sadly in process they have lost power of reasoning, logic and above all else compassion and humanity.

Pramod
Nov 05, 2014 04:52am

@A Sheikh this is not the first incident of this type. Place and people who were killed and who killed were different but reaction was same.

Pramod
Nov 05, 2014 04:57am

@N. Sid More than 300000 people were killed by Idi Amin, more than 100K by Saddam , close to 3 million bangaldeshi were killed by Pakistan Army. All very peacefully with the consent of people who were killed.

Sunil
Nov 05, 2014 05:06am

Accuse the weak and vulnerable persons from minority community and kill them!!!

A reflection of the unjustifiable blasphemy Law, the rule of law, the police machinery and the justice system.

Welcome to the medivial era in Naya Pakistan.

The people who want to live in that era should atleast abandon all modern things, ride horses and weild swords

Islam
Nov 05, 2014 05:10am

Not Good Respect of QURAN is a muslim obligation. Do they respect other faith people books?

We do not.

These type of people given bad name to Islam and muslim. I think they may have personal difference and they make ISLAM as a shield.

Bob
Nov 05, 2014 05:10am

@Adeel are you trying to justify incidence in Pakistan based in some incidence that may have happened in India?How can you justify life long atrocities on your own people! Or are you saying that people with South Asian origin has nothing better to do other than burning and killing people? Go and cleans your hart rather than just protecting book read them, it will get protected much better.

zaheer
Nov 05, 2014 05:17am

@Aryan . This is purana pakistan. Just look urself how pathetic u r when u address this topic

Nooruddin Ali Patel
Nov 05, 2014 05:22am

Dear editor, please let me know how i can be of help to the rest of the family, the children and the parents of the poor couple. I would be grateful knowing the situation there and the risk you would be taking

Rob
Nov 05, 2014 05:28am

@Badshah-

I am sick of Muslims redefining others as Muslims or "not Muslims". You are all obviously Muslim- except that murdered couple.

Mr Know All
Nov 05, 2014 05:31am

The only thing that separates progressive country from backward countries is.......the separation of state and religion. The moment these two things mix....the problem occurs.

Akhlesh
Nov 05, 2014 05:31am

@Badshah I feel sorry for those who are trampled by these "vigilantes".

Akhlesh
Nov 05, 2014 05:34am

@msh "street justice"?

illawarrior
Nov 05, 2014 05:37am

These people were killed for an "alleged" act. It was not even proven!

ahsan
Nov 05, 2014 05:47am

Ummat did not spare Prophet's family, Christians and other non-muslims are low on luck. Problem is not Islam... problem are people and their distorted beliefs and those who use religion for power and personal gains..... We speak, we discuss but when it is time to standup and act, we are zero. No shortages of yazeed and but no Hussain (RA) among us!!!!

Khizer Hayyat
Nov 05, 2014 05:47am

You guys are really condemning this attack.Have you forgot how many times Pastor Terry Jones burned the Holy Quran?

Vikram
Nov 05, 2014 05:50am

@sajid Like establish an Islamic caliphate on Mars. What about Shia Muslims and Ahmadi Muslims?

Joe FL
Nov 05, 2014 05:50am

@Khurram (quoting you):

... "Question: Why these desecrated the Qur'an in the first place? I do not condone the killing of the people without a trial but why aren't condemning the act of desecrating Qur'an in the process of condemning the people killing them?

... Answer. Because the victims don't have a chance to protest their innocence. They don't have a chance to say, "I didn't do it!" They don't have a voice. They don't have a court of law. They are dead.

... And can you be sure that, for the rest of their saddened lives, their children will never be in danger?

(quote): "condemning the act of desecrating Qur'an" (your words). Nonsense. That is for a court of law to judge. Not a mob.

If you can't see the difference between civil justice and a mob killing, yours is the mind of the mob. Get your rose petals ready for the killers.

That is your answer.

Syed(Australia)
Nov 05, 2014 06:00am

Shame on these killers if they get a chance they will go and live peacefully in the Christian world like Europe and America. They are not Muslims they must belong to Yazeed who was a Muslim used to recite Kalma Taiyiaba but was actually a terrorist of the time and his action showed that he was an enemy of Islam.

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:05am

@Ajamal Shame on the Government of Pakistan for promoting such prejudicial and bigoted laws in a country where more than 70% of the people are illiterate and brainwashed by "Jahil" Mullahs. All these so called law makers who approved such tyrannical and totally nonsensical laws which allows legal discrimination against fellow citizens!!!! Is Imran and Tahir ul Qadri going to lead mass marches and "dharna"? Does anyone in this country has the guts to proclaim such mobs as criminals and non Muslims? Will they ever be punished? Are Muslims really secure and comfortable in their believes or are they insecure and therefore always act with violence. The world has stopped tolerating such barbarians and therefore Muslims are being bombed and killed through out the world from China to the Middle East as the world is frightened of this cult!!! I am a Muslim too but do not follow the Pakistani type of Jahil Mullah Islam!!!!

Kapt Malik
Nov 05, 2014 06:05am

is a human life has no value in-front of quran ???what allah will forgive them killing peoples.... i feel sheme on such act if you are muslim think before you act in such a way ..

shame shame shame

Samina
Nov 05, 2014 06:07am

And the prophet (pbuh) in tears looks down at us with sorrow at the sight of gruesome cruelty that has been brought upon fellow humans in the name of religion.

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:09am

@Khan Get rid of blasphemy laws and laws that declare "kalma reciting " sects as non Muslims. Get rid of the fact that only a Muslim can become a Prime Minister. Any citizen even a Hindu ,if he is competent should be considered.

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:11am

@Sher It is heading towards anarcy!!! Thanks to man made laws in the constitution!!!!

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:11am

@Whiskey Khan There are many of us who feel the same. Welcome to the club!!!

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:15am

@abc I am a Muslim and I am going towards Islamophobia. No civilized religion can act in this manner!!!

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:18am

@Nomez Zero!!!! and this goes for our present Government and opposition also. Even Imran Khan is either prejudiced against other religions or does not have the guts to say this is wrong!!!!

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:20am

@Jenai dau Are you serious? Has it ever happened before in the history of Pakistan!!!

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:23am

@A Sheikh Maybe so but it is happening so often that the world keeps hearing it every other day!!! Why did the other 99% did not stop them? So either you are wrong or the 99% agreed with the mob. Silence or neutrality in such matters makes you an accomplice. Stop defending Islam as it has degenerated!!! It is now a cult!!!! We need a Reformer to lead us out of this mass!!! The message of the Prophet has been lost.

Shahid
Nov 05, 2014 06:25am

Minorities in Pakistan need to stand up and fight for their rights. There is no prominent body or person which represents minorities, I think if minorities unite on a single platform or form a political party they could negotiate better with state.

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:30am

@rolland Totally agree with you!!! It is the State that has created such laws in the constitution that allows bigots to take advantage and discriminate the minorities and other religion. Hazara Shias, Ahmadies, Christians and Hindus have all been murdered while the State has just looked on!!! And individuals like Salman Taseer who stood up for human rights were gunned down and even then the State did nothing!!!!

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:33am

@shahid sadik No they do not because the messag eof the Iman is "protect Islam from infidel"!!!!

Khan Baba
Nov 05, 2014 06:34am

@rahul .. agree

PV
Nov 05, 2014 06:39am

Poor couple no of fence was proven they were killed because they were Christians .where were they get t holy book and why they will destroy it. Any one would do that and blame on this poor couple.

Nadeem Ahmed Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:39am

@Mike Unless the Government and the State withdraws laws which allow individuals and mischief mongers to dichromate, this will continue to go on. It has to start with changing the laws in the man made constitution of Pakistan. The constitution must create equal citizens with the same rights and justice.!!

Sajan
Nov 05, 2014 06:44am

@Pramod This excuse is old and not acceptable any more. A religion or society has to own up to its shortcomings and correct it.

BTW, 'they' claim that they are the only true Muslims and all others are kafirs.

PV
Nov 05, 2014 06:48am

@A Sheikh That is 1.5 million people that is 50 times number of Isis fighters 30thousand Isis caused horror in 3 country 50 times of that would cause the havoc no one willbe able to control. That's story of Pakistan

Khan
Nov 05, 2014 06:55am

We should, we could, but nobody does anything

Saurabh Bhardwaj
Nov 05, 2014 07:09am

This is the real face of a Pakistani congregation except a few who are commenting here otherwise.

kumar
Nov 05, 2014 07:10am

good article. All Talk. When will some one in Pakistan stand up to this injustice?

Urooj Saifi
Nov 05, 2014 07:16am

@Rahul - no this is not the real face of Pakistan - overall Pakistan is a tolerant society where people do live in peace. This is the real face of illiterate, intolerant people (who exist in all societies including India - remember the Hindu mob who burnt a Christian family alive in their car and of course the thousands of Muslims killed in the train in Gujrat). The fault with Pakistan is to continue to have laws like the one on Blasphemy - majority of Pakistanis do not agree with the law and speak out against it at forums - like I am doing now.

sal s
Nov 05, 2014 07:21am

how in the world does this go on all the time in the land of the pure?!

Indian
Nov 05, 2014 07:23am

This country rightfully deserves every bad thing that is happening to it. In Pakistan if you want to steal the property of Christians or settle scores all you need to do is accuse them of committing Blasphemy and kill them. Pakistanis are thriving in Christian Majority nations taking advantage of the constitutions there but do these sort of savage things where they are Majority.

Ammy
Nov 05, 2014 07:23am

The two victims, Shahzad Masih and Shama Masih, who had four children and were believed to be in their mid-20s, both worked as laborers at a local brick kiln. The accusations against them began after burned pages of the Quran were said to have been found in their trash.

On Tuesday, as word spread, the couple was locked up in a room adjacent to the brick kiln by their employer, Yousaf Gujjar, who also had a running dispute with the couple over money. Some accounts in local news media suggested that Gujjar accused them of blasphemy after they refused to repay money he had lent them.

Meanwhile, local clerics made incendiary announcements and urged people to gather. Hundreds of people gathered, and witnesses said some in the crowd broke down the door and dragged the couple out. The police said they were tortured and then burned in the kiln.

"By the time police arrived, the couple was already dead," Jawad Qamar, the local police chief told local news media outlets. "Their bodies were totally burned."

It's a crime over money, which was given blasphemy colour.

Freeman
Nov 05, 2014 07:31am

Feeling extremely sad and ashamed on yet another black page in Pakistan's history. How many of the Muslims who are condemning this incident dare to participate in burial ceremony of this unfortunate couple? This is the the least that we should and must do to show some solidarity with christian brothers.

Irshad Mahmood
Nov 05, 2014 07:40am

http://global-right-path.net16.net/Muslim-Ummah-Reformer/MRPunishmentofBlasphemyinQuraan.htm http://global-right-path.net16.net/Muslim-Ummah-Reformer/MRPunishmentofBlasphemyinQuraan.pdf

No Muslim is a Muslim if he/she doesn’t feel pain/hurt due to Blasphemy of any of the Prophets/Messengers of Allah including Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), Dawood (David) and Muhammad (Peace-Be-Upon-Them). Laws of Makka al Mukarrama and Al Madina Al Monawara where disbelievers are not allowed to visit or live cannot be applied to rest of the Islaamic Countries. Similarly Laws of Islaamic Countries cannot be applied to rest of the world. People are not allowed to take laws into their own hand. Violence is hurting Islaam very badly. It is becoming extremely difficult to do Dawah in Non-Muslim countries after any single violence by a single Muslim. A wise approach could be to reply in the media, to participate in peaceful demonstrations, or take legal actions seeking punishment or compensation and even boycott goods or apply political pressure since it’s a matter of personal choice.

http://global-right-path.net16.net

Ismail
Nov 05, 2014 07:51am

All these seem to be done to settle personal disputes and acts of jealousy, personal vendetta. Even if there is proof of a person uttering against Islam, has it been probed whether anybody provoked or insulted the persons' own religion? What does Pakistanis expect - that they can bad mouth other religions as infidels, kafirs, etc but cannot hear back the truth that their religion is depicting so openly in day to day life?

mohammadali
Nov 05, 2014 08:00am

If the government cannot protect the minorities then they should be given incentives to migrate to Christian countries.

Krishan
Nov 05, 2014 08:01am

@sajid I like that idea ,bro..:)

Muneer
Nov 05, 2014 08:07am

No .... Blasphmy is not the reason...cannot be the reason.... Rape or attempted rape is involved... Mr. Shehbaz sharief should monitor this investigations very closely.... Blaphemy is simply a cover up.... Surly rape is involved.......

Truth wil win finally(wait and see)
Nov 05, 2014 08:09am

Infact they didn't burn the Quran because they know the Pakistani people are crazy and they have many other jobs to-do "Yousaf Gujjar, who also had a running dispute with the couple over money. Some accounts in local news media suggested that Gujjar accused them of blasphemy after they refused to repay money he had lent them. "

Ghazanfar
Nov 05, 2014 08:22am

@Ghazanfar Dear readers, thanks for the correction and your comments. I apology for my comment which looks harsh and doesn't comply with the reality. I hope justice will be done with this brutal act.

monpassant
Nov 05, 2014 08:25am

It is simply shameful. There are no words enough to condemn this senseless brutality.

Abdul Rauf
Nov 05, 2014 08:25am

Saddened and shocked. Definite not according to Islam's teaching but ignorance in masses ..

Hassan
Nov 05, 2014 08:26am

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/7.year.old.indian.boy.tortured.and.killed.for.being.a.christian/34848.htm We should condemn this sort of acts no matter where it happens, @ rahul (happens in India too)

Mehar Azad
Nov 05, 2014 08:34am

Jahil log.

indian nationalist
Nov 05, 2014 08:37am

third world war must be in between muslims vs rest ...that will be the only solution to find a peaceful and colourful world..these people are destroying the nature n humanity ...

Masoud
Nov 05, 2014 08:38am

@rahul India showed it's real face several years ago when achristian priest, his wife & a son were burnt alive in Orissa, do you remember it or not.

kalman
Nov 05, 2014 08:41am

This waht is Indian News Media: On Tuesday, as word spread, the couple was locked up in a room adjacent to the brick kiln by their employer, Yousaf Gujjar, who also had a running dispute with the couple over money. Some accounts in local news media suggested that Gujjar accused them of blasphemy after they refused to repay money he had lent them.

Meanwhile, local clerics made incendiary announcements and urged people to gather. Hundreds of people gathered, and witnesses said some in the crowd broke down the door and dragged the couple out. The police said they were tortured and then burned in the kiln.

Hope DAWN would verify if it is correct.

Faysal
Nov 05, 2014 08:41am

Trial of war criminals in Bangladesh - who raped and massacred not only hindus but muslims as well - is criticized by a minister. While when his own people are being killed for just being born to other religion he stays quit. Thank god and our forefathers that we fought for our independence from this animalistic country in 1971. Don't get me wrong I don't believe for a second that all Pakistanis are like this ,but every nation gets the leader it deserves not the leader it wants. And currently Pakistan deserves what its getting.Pakistan is now majority of religiously brainwashed sheeps being led by wolves under the cloak of misrepresented Islam.

Shazad
Nov 05, 2014 08:44am

My condolences to the family and friends who lost love once.May God bless their souls. What a shameful and barbaric act of so called protector of Islam who are totally unaware of teaching of Islam. Where this nation is going to. Sadly their is no comments from political leaders who can talk hours and sit-in for political gains but no comment to this inhumane act.

Mike
Nov 05, 2014 08:45am

@Nadeem Ahmed Khan We as citizen can demand those changes in the law from those law makers. We have power in elections and otherwise. How many protests been organized by different political parties to oppose the other parties? How many protest we had to protest against US, India, Afghanistan, Drone attacks etc. etc. And How many against change in law and against killings in the name of religion?

Praful R Shah
Nov 05, 2014 08:46am

Where is civility? Accuse anyone insulting Quran and you have license to kill anyone. Is Pakistan in civilized world? Does it expect others to treat its citizen with courtesy? Where is Pakistan’s law enforcement? Why one should not cheer killing of 55 at Waugh border as killing of any minority in Pakistan? Pakistan claims that Muslims are not treated fairly even though their growth is 50% and expect to be treated minority, number two most populated group.

zak the supreme
Nov 05, 2014 08:48am

and so what

zak the supreme
Nov 05, 2014 08:49am

@Mohsina as is this is the first time, ostrich anyone or the whole country.

Pankaj
Nov 05, 2014 08:58am

Very shame u pakistani people r u living in 21th century ? Any civilised society can not tolerate this kind of act againt the people who are in less no. Don,t have equal right And unable to live with freedom & respect. Shame u again

Syed Ali Shamshad
Nov 05, 2014 09:01am

Pathetic.....

Jahangir
Nov 05, 2014 09:01am

@John Doe -- Do not suggest such things that is what these terrorists want, one need to fight with them and teach them a lesson that minorities can stand up and make things happen for the future generations

indian nationalist
Nov 05, 2014 09:03am

pakistani leaders raise the issues of kashmir ,,but they forget about their own minority people those are living very harsh and tough conditions ,, they are forced to convert into Islam by using inhumane methods ,,the population of minorities is also shrinking towards zero...I pray to God ..punish these people severely for their bad act..i think that will come soon..

Mohammad Ali khan
Nov 05, 2014 09:06am

Society suffers from major malfunction.

Paul
Nov 05, 2014 09:09am

@Sher Actually , rest of the world knows exactly where PAK is actually heading....wake up.

AH
Nov 05, 2014 09:12am

@John Doe Why should they flee? This is as much their country as any other Pakistani's. Today Christians, tomorrow Hindus, then Shias and on and on it goes.. Moving is not a solution and if anyone to move, then those who feel offended

AH
Nov 05, 2014 09:13am

Pure animals

the eddy
Nov 05, 2014 09:16am

@Saad But these people have only spoken against sufferings of Muslims , right??

hasan
Nov 05, 2014 09:17am

brutal attitutde!!

Akram
Nov 05, 2014 09:18am

@Saad leave those reverred names.u r not one of them.and what u gave back to Malala??? The tag of Umreeki Agent.Shame on u.nd what u done to Edhi?? Looted him.Dnt pretend to everything is ok.see the realiry.Nori has said rytful thinhs.accept what we are actually. May b this can help to spare bad elements if society.closing eyes from truth is not solution

Diger Paji
Nov 05, 2014 09:20am

Shameful...and we wonder why everyone hates us muslims...these fools should be hanged for this crime againsts humanity

Syed A
Nov 05, 2014 09:21am

Totally incompetent administration. For the Indian friend. You burn people in thousands.

Akram
Nov 05, 2014 09:25am

@ashfaq ahmad salute to ur penny valued intellect.mr this is the failure of ourselves our society.we failed nd r failing as human beings.we r living with the devils.dnt put everything on govt.

Vish
Nov 05, 2014 09:30am

@Asif which instigated by burning down 48 piligrims people in the train by the same cult mob which invited killing in retaliation.... bro

hadiqa
Nov 05, 2014 09:32am

this is pakistan?[pak sarzameen]

Rabia Ahmed Sikandar
Nov 05, 2014 09:32am

There is a drastic need to make some law for those contemptuous of blasphemy and there is also a need to define what comes under blasphemy so such cases be dealt with...

Shakil Ahmad
Nov 05, 2014 09:37am

This is a real alarming state of affairs. Government has to address the issue earnestly, because beating and ultimate killing of people on just accusations of blasphemy is not fair. People are using this just to clear of their old scores. Rights of minorities have been given due importance by our beloved prophet, therefore, who we are not to respect the rights of minorities. Fact of the matter is our government is not serious to take up the issue, only a strong government and a real government can take measure to resolve this issue, once for all. Whereas this government is fake and has come to power with the stolen mandate, therefore we should not expect anything substantial from this government.

Roger
Nov 05, 2014 09:41am

I wonder what will happen to their 4 children, and who will take care of them. My heart goes out to them.

Ali Rathore
Nov 05, 2014 09:41am

@rahul you cannot paint the whole picture with one drop of paint. we have identified the problem and working to resolve it. this is how nations move ahead.

Alam
Nov 05, 2014 09:42am

As a Pakistani muslim, all I can say to the Christians reading this....I am sorry. We are sorry. This doesn't represent us. And I don't even believe that, that's how sick the situation is.

Sriram
Nov 05, 2014 09:44am

Come on Pakistan, this is the time to stand up for human rights and rule of law! For your own sake!

Sriram
Nov 05, 2014 09:44am

Come on Pakistan, this is the time to stand up for human rights and rule of law! For your own sake!

Sriram
Nov 05, 2014 09:44am

Come on Pakistan, this is the time to stand up for human rights and rule of law! For your own sake!

Indian
Nov 05, 2014 09:48am

@Shahid "Minorities in Pakistan need to stand up and fight for their rights. "

How 3% minorities can fight against 97%??

Pakistan need a secular leader which looks nearly immpossible to get :-(

Mohyal
Nov 05, 2014 09:48am

Unbelievable. I am sure that if some pf these folks actually read the Quran, it would not advocate any such actions.

Hassan
Nov 05, 2014 09:53am

I wana see Imran khan and Qadri to condemn this act if they are true Pakistani. And I am sure they will not.

sameer
Nov 05, 2014 09:53am

@Urooj Saifi How many Minorities people are left in Pakistan? Do you have any Idea? When you people will start analyzing things and get some true knowledge. Its your school, Madarasas which taught you that, Islam is great, Islam means peace and tolerance, and since Pakistan is Islamic country, it is a tolerant country. Hinduism is cruel, and so Indians are cruel and kills their minorities. And irony is that, even after getting edu,. degrees you people are still illiterate. never opens your eyes. everything is good in Pakistan. its just the few cases. if so then why you commenting on this case. just ignore it. its just a small incident.

Vacar Kureshi
Nov 05, 2014 09:56am

We cannot, of course, censure the entire country for this barbaric act. That said, I wonder if parts of rural Pakistan will ever be able to enter the domain of "normal, decent societies". Its hard to see a parallel to this mindset (and I am including the cannibals living deep in the Amazon forest).

akash
Nov 05, 2014 10:00am

Pakistan is the same country which get separated from india for the religious freedom & safety of their minority(Muslim)... But in contrary to it they never realize the religious freedom & pain of other Minority.... "It is Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law"... same as ISIS,al-Qaeda "stone age laws"....

Irfan
Nov 05, 2014 10:02am

Shame on all of us...as a society as whole.

masa
Nov 05, 2014 10:08am

Pakistanis are NO MORE HUMANS... ! In the name of civilization they have become most uncivilized..

No mi
Nov 05, 2014 10:08am

@Anwar Amjad hahaha Gov is take action that will never happen. They are all same.

kashif
Nov 05, 2014 10:10am

Remember! whenever there is a Committee formed for any investigation. It means the issue is buried forever, and there will never a report of any use..This no Islam, nor it was ever like, the we act n behave and this is how we also keep our Pakistan Zindabad.

irshad
Nov 05, 2014 10:11am

Where was the Law when all this happened a day earlier

kashif
Nov 05, 2014 10:11am

@rahul It still better than India. India also kills Muslims India esp. in Kashmir.

ayesha
Nov 05, 2014 10:20am

Its really shameful..... such incidents are further tarnishing the name of Pakistan......

Javaid
Nov 05, 2014 10:20am

Shocking, a despicable act by an ignorant mob. Who knows what really happened, no one even pauses to determine facts. I don’t believe any sane non-muslim would intentionally desecrate Muslim holy book in a country like Pakistan. God bless the departed and protect their little loved ones left orphans.

Jordan
Nov 05, 2014 10:22am

This is what Muslims stand for in Pakistan Other countries they want everything and call them racist When it comes to them in their own country they beat up the minority just for burning a book

I don't see Pakistan surviving past 2025

sarah tj
Nov 05, 2014 10:29am

@Pc kashmirie s are killed by indian government and this is an act of some individuals .thats the difference

Shame
Nov 05, 2014 10:30am

Two persons are killed for insulting a Quran? When did life become cheapee than religion?

rehan
Nov 05, 2014 10:32am

Does anyone ever investigate these ALLEGED blasphemies ? It seems that Dawn publishes such incidents as soon as they occur and no follow up reports come to light about whether the "blasphemy" occurred or not . If it did not occur then obviously , the people who were involved in the beating up need to be severely punished ; however , if the "Blasphemy" did occur then the people responsible for it need to be punished equally severely . Almost all the readers ASSUME that the allegation of blasphemy was false and the victims were treated unfairly. I seriously doubt that ALL the Blasphemy allegations are baseless

Imrana khan
Nov 05, 2014 10:34am

I am not going to argue about the alleged sin/crime but I only want the people in the mob to be burnt the same way. I don't care how right they were.

Ash
Nov 05, 2014 10:36am

@Masoud yes sir. we do remember that shamefully. However we were able to put the culprits behind the jail. We rallied against the right wing parties and voted congress.

Even right wing party has to talk in terms of development during the election. we stopped voting based on the religion.

If you also vote accordingly, you can make changes. But will you?

Amin Ansari
Nov 05, 2014 10:36am

@rahul My head drops in shame reading about it. We are sorry our Christian brothers and sisters. We will make sure we vote for the party that protects minorities.

Indy
Nov 05, 2014 10:38am

Considering the almost daily routine of such genocide,It is not even little bit wrong to say that almost all Pakistani hands are drenched in blood of Hindus and Christians

Johaan
Nov 05, 2014 10:44am

Pakistan is #4 on immigration list to Canada. I request Canadian Government to limit immigration from Pakistan and if possible completely stop it.

sarah tj
Nov 05, 2014 10:53am

@SAROJ ignorant comment. if it would have been because of SOWRD muslims wouldn't be in minority in india after Muslims ruled there for almost 800 years in spain they ruled for hundreds of years but there were much lesser than Christians and jews same is the case in all the world so please try to read some books about Muslim history by unbiased writers even some non Muslim authors have acknowledged that.

vip
Nov 05, 2014 11:03am

Shame ... Shame..... Shame On judiciary, political personnel, education system. The entire political establishment in the subcontinent is geared towards divisive and hate politics. The basic educational system has been deliberately kept disfunctional to keep the masses unenlightened.

Marxist
Nov 05, 2014 11:09am

Even our founder of Pakistan was a secular minded why not Pakistan??

Ahtesham
Nov 05, 2014 11:10am

I don't understand why people take revenge to burn Quran in Pakistan and to burn Chruch in India?

jitendra yadav
Nov 05, 2014 11:17am

Very simple to kill whom you hate in Pakistan... just raise the issue of Islamic Blasphemy, gather some crowed and attack...

saz
Nov 05, 2014 11:27am

@rahul this is indeed shameful act and brutality. This is not PK. This only indicates emotionally charged, intolerant and illiterate community. You will find such communities in India as well. Such people do not represent Pakistan they only represent their animal instincts.

Tina
Nov 05, 2014 11:31am

@sarah tj : Please stop lecturing people on the greatness of past islamic empires of spain and elsewhere. Look at the muslim countries of today and comment for their betterment. Eulogizing history of Islam is not going to help to solve the current problems of your country.

ali
Nov 05, 2014 11:31am

@Shehz Exactly. Up to 1970, Pakistan was a moderate Muslim (not militant Islamic) country. There was an 'unity in diversity.' All Bangalis, Punjaibs, Sindhis, Pastuns, Beluchis, Mohajirs and other so many Communities including religious Minorities could live in peaceful coexistence. Because, the country itself was ruled by the'universal civil laws, not by the 'partially made Sharia or Blasphemy Laws'. Now the paradigm has been changed; everything is running in the name of the 'medieval Mullah Tantra, Fatuaaws, Islamic Militarism, Regionalism, Lawlessness etc.,etc. I have never seen such a religious division among the Sunnis, Shias or Ahmadhis; all are being treated as Muslims. But what a shame is prevailing right now in a parted 'Pakistan'. You people have now forgotten to put an unity and humanity before religion( again divided structure). If it's continue, then where will you go?

M J Syed
Nov 05, 2014 11:31am

We never own up to our fellow countrymen who commit such heinous crimes. They are from us and we created them and our selfishness is perpetuating them. Dip your hands in your pocket and be willing to pay for the education and well being of masses. Offer them share of your better life or their numbers and hideous acts will keep on increasing to make YOU ashamed of yourself.

saz
Nov 05, 2014 11:32am

Extremely brutal act of insane people. Can our clergy emerge to modify unjust laws and teach people tolerance and kindness.

Tejpal
Nov 05, 2014 11:34am

Isn't this the exact reason why Pakistan was created. You couldn't live with Hindus, so you created an other country and massacred the rest or made them flee. Now you cannt live with Christians and Shias. Pretty soon you will turn in each other. All in the name of a specific brand of religion. Bill Maher calls it Mafiosi. U decide !

SadiMalik
Nov 05, 2014 11:36am

I feel ashamed to be a Pakistan after reading this!

jitendra yadav
Nov 05, 2014 11:38am

Respect and follow Quran and not the papers bind in the form of book.....People are fighing and kiling for papers no matter they shed the ideologies and values written on those religios papers/books.

Abu Umair
Nov 05, 2014 11:38am

This indeed is a shameful act. The majority of the country is to be blamed as they are not able to root out the Mullahs who are full of hate filled agendas and the amended constitution and scared judiciary and the government who are doing nothing to stop this violence. The religious extremism was initiated by the so called liberal prime minister Bhutto when he interfered in the religion and declared Ahmadis non Muslims at the behest of blood thirsty Mullahs. This was further nurtured by the Mullahs and many politicians backed dictator Ziaul Haq. It is about time the Pakistanis open their eyes and stand up to this non sense. Injustice to one is injustice to all.

jitendra yadav
Nov 05, 2014 11:42am

@Akram @Asif Why no one in the world talk about those 85 innocent lives burnt by Mulla and his team after Friday prayer in Godhra (Muslim majority town in Gujrat) are they not humans?....Many women and girls still missing from the same train.

ricky
Nov 05, 2014 11:51am

why are we so appologetic, every one of us would do the same thing if it happened in front of us.. only issue is why cry foul when similar methods are adopted by allien forces !

Jay
Nov 05, 2014 11:57am

While reading most of the post, I am glad that the majority of the readers are totally against this barbaric act. The common people of Pakistan are just as horrified as any one else of this dastardly act. Politics, religious fundamentalism is the key culprit must be kept away as far as possible and its ugly doctrines which are being exploited must be banned. Most of the people here on Dawn are educated and hence this wave of sympathy and aversion to this horrific act. The only way forward for the country is having a good educational system in place from your childhood, so that such kinds of thoughts also never enter your mind.

ashish
Nov 05, 2014 12:01pm

only one solution ... make education better and modern ...no madarssa business anymore , make apostasy legal ...sane people can make their own choice of religion ....

David Emmanuel
Nov 05, 2014 12:01pm

I am a minority who was born and brought up in India and never in my life did I ever face persecution by virtue of my name or religion in a hindu majority country, yes there are horror stories in my country too but there were always overwhelming number of people who fought for due justice and ensure that such things dont ever happen as a result of which I have full faith in the system, why couldn't you instill that confidence in your minorities. Why cant you for once overlook religion for humanity, for my country I am ready to leave my faith. Wouldn't it be nice if you could instill such confidence in your minorities too?

zahra.khn14@gmail.com
Nov 05, 2014 12:05pm

@rahul No Doubt its a shamefull act by these pplz.. But before you say any thing about Muslims or Pakistanis look out for ppl muslims who are killed in SO CALLED PEACEFULL "INDIA"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/03/dozens-muslims-killed-ethnic-violence-north-east-india-assam

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/muslim-techie-beaten-to-death-in-pune-7-men-of-hindu-outfit-held/

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/117297/hindus-attack-muslims-in-india-15-killed

THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF INDIA?? THINK THEN SPEAK !

Masud
Nov 05, 2014 12:05pm

@rahul No This is the real face of Ignorance, Bigotry and and intolerance. These faces appear in India as well. Your Comment that this act is true face of Pakistan,indicate Hate and Bigotry for Pakistan and does not seek to highlight the real issues due to which these appalling acts of savagery take place in Pakistan and India. I dont have to mention such acts of bigotry and communal hatred which took place in India because i dont believe these events represents true face of India. By the same token, this barbarism in Kot Radha Kishan do not represent true face of Pakistan.

Peace
Nov 05, 2014 12:07pm

I am at a loss to understand that why in an Islamic country there is no Muslim in authority, to challenge the Blasphemy law- the law which is defaming Islam and its teachings. Holy Prophet (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) ruled Arabia incorporating Quranic principles of governance, but can anyone cite such an incident that this punishment was imparted. No verse of the Quran supports such heinous and barbarous act. This practice of the so called Muslims is incurring criticism and hatred for Islamic way of life. These extreme reactions can in no way be termed as Islamic. At one hand they are doing it out of love for the Holy prophet and at the other hand neglecting the sunnah of the Holy Prophet.

Prabhakar
Nov 05, 2014 12:13pm

My condolences to their family, What am pleased to see that many Pakistanis voiced in support with victims side and I hope justice will be provided to victims family and the minorities

Vincent
Nov 05, 2014 12:13pm

To all Muslims, How can anyone today want to convert to Islam? look around yourselves , Islam and Muslims are today paired with Violence , Beheading , force conversion (Nigeria girls) , Chaos , Stoning ( Iraq / Yemen) , sectarian violence ( Shia -Sunni), attack on minorities , burning of churches , temples , desecration of Buddha ( Afghanistan) .. does Islam teach this? Which God / Allah gives commands like this ? Its not about Pakistan or Iraq .. The religion has been hijacked by people who have their own interpretations of the Quran and have given a good religion a bad name. Peace!

Feroz
Nov 05, 2014 12:17pm

The end seems to be very near is obvious to all. Hate, bigotry and jealousy have consumed the nation. For years the world has been pleading with Pakistan to correct its course, unfortunately the nation got carried away by its own propaganda, even bad mouthing the very countries helping it financially and keeping it afloat. While the nation burns efforts are on by legislators to further poison the people by further radicalizing the education curriculum. Very shameful behavior with no one ever prosecuted and convicted for atrocities on minorities. Brothers, please fool yourself, Allah cannot be fooled.

sharma
Nov 05, 2014 12:22pm

@Adeel The incidents quoted by you were highly condemned not only by all sections of society including politicians of India and the perpeterators were punished severly. But what is happening in Pakistan ?. All politicians are silent and public by and large is supporting them. ...At the time of formation of Pakistan the minorities 29% of total population have now been reduced to hardly 2%. Where they have all vanished.?....You have no answer...

sharma
Nov 05, 2014 12:27pm

@jitendra yadav ....sorry they do not have any reply except to say that this was done by hindus to malign muslims..

Askeri
Nov 05, 2014 12:28pm

@rehan - If the Blasphemy did really happen, who has give a mob to right to kill in this manner or to be 'severely punished'. Is there not a law to handle these issues. This is unbelievable and you seem to be justifying this in a subtle manner.

diwakar
Nov 05, 2014 12:37pm

@Ajamal, What difference does make to victims????????

tipu
Nov 05, 2014 12:38pm

@rahul WE havent forgotton ODISSA sir........

Noor
Nov 05, 2014 12:43pm

People will blame Islam for it, despite of knowing that it was carried out in the name of religion by ignorant fools who were incited to violence by an individual for his personal (economic) gain.

amit
Nov 05, 2014 12:49pm

Request all the developed countries in the world to adopt all the religious minorities of Pakistan that way they can be saved from these savages and then let these blood thirsty crowds slit each others throat before they destroy themselves and their country into oblivion

Murali
Nov 05, 2014 12:50pm

@Akil Akhtar: The man who burnt the priest was sentenced to death in India. In Pakistan they are heroes. Have some shame please, before lying through your teeth.

N. Sid
Nov 05, 2014 12:52pm

@jitendra yadav

the Godhra train Burning was a result of accidental fire in the stoves meant for cooking. Do some independent research. As a result of that incident more than 2000 hapless and innocent people were killed in Gujarat. The communal riots history is as shameful in India as it gets. Pakistan is noway near.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/17godhra.htm http://www.truthofgujarat.com/topics/godhra-train-burning/ http://www.truthofgujarat.com/topics/godhra-train-burning/

Saleem
Nov 05, 2014 12:59pm

Rest in peace Shama and Shahzad. I am totally speechless. How can these people decide their self what will be the punishment, where is law and justice in Pakistan. they all bring to the justice. this shows our anger to the minority people. we do not have any right to kill anyone just to blame blasphemy.

"YA ALLAH HAMAY SEEDAY RASTAY KI TARAF HIDAYAT KARTA RAHAT" AMMENN

iqbal
Nov 05, 2014 01:03pm

As Pakistani born, feel ashamed to hear this story. These idiots who killed these two people should be charged with murder and procecuted. No where in Quran or in any Islamic books it says to kill for desecrating Quran. Pakistan Government needs to take action now and not just talk.

Tina
Nov 05, 2014 01:13pm

@rehan Even if the 'blasphemy' (whatever is it that you call blasphemy) did occur, is it justified to take a human life for it? To kill someone because they don't hold sacred what you hold sacred? It's barbarianism and nothing else. Burning of any text is a sad act of ignorance (if deliberate) but tell me, is it worth taking a life for it?

Anil
Nov 05, 2014 01:21pm

Now, shouldn't the people who killed the couple be accused of blasphemy?! Because, they clearly violated the teachings of Quran by killing people.

franklyspeaking
Nov 05, 2014 01:26pm

@Asif you shud take a break, you guys keep shouting all the time gujarat and now when ur mistakes are pointed, u still do the same...

white noise
Nov 05, 2014 01:35pm

We do this in the country and than ask, why everything bad is happening to Pakistan?

Do you need to ask again?

Query
Nov 05, 2014 02:55pm

To all those pakistanis, who are condemning this particular incident... could you please answer what will you do if someone criticizes the Mohamed or things written in Quran? Are you ready to tolerate it ?what would you do? These Mobs are not from arabia...they are pakistani. Ask yourself...what would you do?

INdian
Nov 05, 2014 03:05pm

What is so wrong in the incident? Blasphemy Law would have done the same to them or they would have been killed in the prison itself. Mob actually saved the time of courts. Food for Thought....

adhunikram
Nov 05, 2014 03:10pm

I feel, very shortly ISIS will rule Pakistan.

Shane
Nov 05, 2014 03:34pm

My condolences to the family. No human being anywhere should be treated like this, whether they were guilty of blasphemy or not. God, if it exists, should be big enough to take care of itself. But to be accused and sentenced to death like this is beyond any comprehension. But where are the political leaders?? No comments from NS?? This guy is just worried about his own survival. Com'on the country is burning, what are you doing??

Realist
Nov 05, 2014 04:11pm

@Aryan

Dude, try to keep up. This is old Pakistan. We are still trying to make a Naya Pakistan.

saeed
Nov 05, 2014 05:16pm

@Khurram. Very right. We must not justify the killing but there should not be any objectionable content on any religion from any side.

Akbaruddin
Nov 05, 2014 05:24pm

This is an isolated incident. We should not paint whole Pakistan with one brush. 99% of Pakistanis are giving bad name to 1% of peaceful Pakistanis. Please stop blaming whole country.

zaman
Nov 05, 2014 05:25pm

@Ghazanfar NO one burnt any book fool

arslan
Nov 05, 2014 07:48pm

this is very disappointed news, if they desecrated should be produced before Police. But we can also see a christian phobia are spreading in Muslims living Europe and America.If we want world as peaceful place, we should cooperate with each other.

dev
Nov 05, 2014 09:17pm

@Khan you guys are already late, I don't expect the trend getting reversed now, in fact I believe the worse is still to come.

Sanjay
Nov 05, 2014 10:42pm

@A Sheikh : That is why the minority is less than 1% in Pakistan.

zaman
Nov 05, 2014 11:22pm

@Akbaruddin You just do not get it, off course the whole country is to blame for this heinous crime, from the top up to the bottom down,the mostly absent president.PM to CMs,the so called establishment,the Ruling Elites, all the Dysfunctional Institutions, Judiciary and and the extremist Religionists down to the mostly illiterate downtrodden masses.

When only preference is given only to the selected few in a society then all of the dominoes will fall (Pakistan).

Patter
Nov 05, 2014 11:44pm

Good write-up by Dawn. Let good sense prevail in Pakistan. We cannot move ahead by killing minorities. If we need progress, we would have to treat minorities with special respect.

Anum
Nov 06, 2014 12:04am

We strongly condemn the brutal murder of innocent Christian couple .We apologize to the whole Christian community on behalf of Pakistan

Khwaab
Nov 06, 2014 02:12am

Average Pakistani citizens lost. Yet again. RIP Humanity!

MD
Nov 06, 2014 06:19am

I can understand the argument that people who killed the couple may be unislamic extremists and among the misguided few. But where are the mainstream muslims and mullahs? Are they going to issue fatwa against the people who killed this couple? If not, you are condoning such acts and stop saying that these don't represent muslims. Cause by doing nothing about it you're a part of it.

Humayun Khan
Nov 06, 2014 08:00am

This happens when the society and its social systems degenerates then the mob becomes the judge, the jury and the executioner. Sickening indeed

LH
Nov 06, 2014 08:47am

What a sick country!

Burjor Rustomji
Nov 06, 2014 10:16am

Pakistan is perhaps the most barbaric nation in the world. Our history is proof, the events above is another proof. There really are no words to express one's anguish, one's pain, one's sorrow, one's utter disgust, one's remorse, we are such a disgusting nation. We do the most horrible things. Why was this country made in the first place? Pakistan is a failed state, only in failed state's do acts like the above happen, and let happen, only in failed states does the state sponsor terrorism under the garb of non-state actors, only in failed state's do insiders from the armed forces act against their own institutions, only in failed states do bodyguards attack and kill those who they are expected to protect. Only in failed states do the other body guards on duty just stand and do nothing while the shooting is going on. 200,000 to 300,000 lost their lives in East Pakistan, many more thousands were injured. Some 55,000 have lost their lives in the war on terror in Pakistan. Thousands have lost their lives in sectarian killings. This list is so long, and makes terrible reading. Why are we the way we are??? can some reader answer.

Burjor Rustomji
Nov 06, 2014 10:56am

Why are Pakistani's afraid of I.S.I.S. they in fact should be afraid of us.

syed
Nov 06, 2014 10:57am

@Farrukh Munir You really think the legal system in Pakistan would've provided justice? Evil laws result in evil people and so is the case with blasphemy law. Once someone is blamed of blasphemy in a society where the punishment is death, there is no way out for the accused.

rushhour
Nov 06, 2014 03:23pm

Barbaric act. Blasphemy Act is a blasphemy against the human race. Please become human beings first.

Jatinder
Nov 06, 2014 04:13pm

@Query Everyone has to answer for himself on Roz e Qiayamat So leave all the sinners for the God to take care of.

Apoorva
Nov 06, 2014 04:37pm

These Crazy Mullah towners have killed 3 people ....read that the lady was pregnant.

RIP Guys ......All the HIndus from Pakistan should Migrate to India...

Hope Indian Government takes a humane view for granting them asylum

kalman
Nov 06, 2014 11:18pm

@masa

Please do not blame all Pakistani. There are few bad apples with help of uneducated clerics are doing this.

Rule of Law
Nov 07, 2014 12:16am

Lack of enforcement of law is the culprit here. People are frustrated. They take matters into their own hands precisely because they feel that the concerned authorities will not investigate or implement the blasphemy law because of pressure from foreign and liberal lobbies. This is ofcourse true just take the example of death row delays in Pakistan.

Ofcourse this applies both ways, the mob will never be punished because the authorities will not implement the law of murder because of pressure from Conservative and Islamist lobbies who will label it as giving " punishment to defenders of the sacred".

If Pakistan can make its law-enforcement and judiciary impartial all our problems from economics to terrorism will be solved.

Hamid Music4Cause
Nov 07, 2014 12:45am

They just killed humanity. Thrice.

Desert Cactus
Nov 07, 2014 05:45am

A day will come when this failed state will implode and that will be the end of it.Brutal Shameless people.

Rizwan Hamid
Nov 07, 2014 06:59am

I see 573 comments , mostly if not all condemning the killing. BUT.... To all the people of Pakistan. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING. You are a nation that takes out a procession if we fail at cricket. Thousands marching to the capitol like sheep because some bunch of selfish politicians like Imran and Qadri want to overthrow an elected government by illegal means. Yet the only protests on these and all similar killings are done by the Christian community and never by the Muslim community. You all want a progressive and moderate Pakistan, yet you don't have the courage to stand up to a small minority of mullahs. Gen Hamid Gul once said in an interview, " A nation's army can defeat another army, it can never defeat it's own people. " SHAME ON ALL OF YOU, that you prefer to comment on blogs from the comfort of your sofas, but are not outraged enough to come out on the streets by the millions until these insane blasphemy laws are not changed, and minorities are given equal rights and peace of mind that Quaid e Azam Jinnah intended . If he was alive today, he would not consider you worthy of a free nation. So reflect on this, and until you take some action, please don't feel "holier than thou" by believing you have done your good deed by posting comments on Dawn as to how horrified you are. The whole world is not buying your lip service.

yada yada
Nov 07, 2014 11:23am

@Ghazanfar, there is no evidence to say that the poor couple even desecrated the Holy book, unlikely that anyone even gets a thrill doing something like that, the problem as their family suggested must have been a wage issue,

dont want to pay wages, just accuse them of blasphemy, well you can say only you saw it happen and voila all the evidence you need for the mob

these people who accuse others of blasphemy must first be investigated cos maybe they have something to hide

yada yada
Nov 07, 2014 11:23am

@Ghazanfar, there is no evidence to say that the poor couple even desecrated the Holy book, unlikely that anyone even gets a thrill doing something like that, the problem as their family suggested must have been a wage issue,

dont want to pay wages, just accuse them of blasphemy, well you can say only you saw it happen and voila all the evidence you need for the mob

these people who accuse others of blasphemy must first be investigated cos maybe they have something to hide

Atif
Nov 07, 2014 05:55pm

the entire mob, including those who witnessed such a horrific act, need to be brought to justice. and if they escape here, God will surely punish them in the hereafter. it disgusts me to hear/see such news. Pakistanis need to come together and get rid of such ignorance.

pandit porus
Nov 07, 2014 08:24pm

these people have killed their own people for what ? but this is not pakistani Culture pakistan society was much more advanced and more tolerant during Mohanjo Daro and indus valley civilsation than it is now

Mushtaq Dean
Nov 08, 2014 02:31pm

Murder of Christian couple in Pakistan

The report of murder of Christian couple, labor at brick kiln, by unruly crowd has been circulated worldwide through national and international print and electronic media. The incident is said to be a result of blasphemous act that the couple had committed.

It is grumbled that the blasphemous act, in many cases, is misused by powerful and influential persons when they want to settle their account with their foes who happen to be weak and feebly settled in society.

The affected rather ruined family is grateful to those who shared with them their irreparable loss through words of sympathy. The message becomes more comforting, solicitous and consoling when we see it coming from a distinguished people including Ex-president Zardari, MQM chief Altaf Hussain, Chief of Islamic Counsil Moulana Tahir Ashrafi, MNAS, MPAS and many other renowned Islamic scholars.

Thankfully, in such a disastrous situation, we have a sensitive and responsible government. Chief Minister, Shahbaz Shrif, reputed for his alertness towards the administration, went into spontaneous action. He has established a high powered inquiring squad, has granted prodigious amount of money for the distressed folks.

Such timely, caring and generous attitude will not sooth the wounds of wounded only but also win applause and admiration from all quarters, in particular from the minorities.

Prime Minister, Mr Nawaz Shrif, is equally watchful of the incident taking keen interest. Many anxiously waiting for the outcome of the inquiry wishing the result to be full of retribution for the criminals.

Mushtaq Dean

ish
Nov 10, 2014 09:02am

@Dr. Sadaf Bamiyan buddha, holy non muslim sites in afganistan to indonesia!