allu anda ban raha ha ....

I am surprised. I was not expecting the true colors to come so quickly. I thought, first they will seek money and prisoner release and then step in the Shariah logic.

It's actually better that he's not a part of this. The whole thing is becoming a joke now.

The problem is not Quran and Sunnah, the real is how the Talibans and their representative understand and represent Quran and Sunnah. Accepting terrorist as a party for negotiations itself is a defeat for the country which is very weak, even worse are those who govern the country.

This is unfortunate: unrealistic demands mean that the negotiator is not serious about the talks. It is also important that people who demand sharia should explain in detail what they mean by it and what changed they want to see in the current constitution.

People who do not recognize the constitution and yet live in Pakistan should be tried for TREASON. They are the real breakers of the constitution as they don't even recognize it ... rather than politicizing Musharraf case, the government should go after these traitors/terrorists rather than peace talking with them. Shame on the government. Even after they killed our men, and continuously kill them ... government still wants to talk to them rather than punish them.

Are we negotiating with TTP or Mr Abdul Aziz? Who is completely hijacking this peace talks & destroying this one opportunity... I wonder Musharraf did the right thing when he kicked Abdul Aziz out from Lal-Masjid

it is such a suffocating society

Abdulaziz is making job of negotiators so easy.govt knows what they ultimately have to do in near future.

Molan Sahab please suggest a mechanism to implement Qisas first for the murders committed and admitted by the persons who are being represented by you to put the Islamic law in action as the grand norm of the Quran is that life is sacred and it cannot be taken away. Life, however, can be taken for dispensing justice: Within the justice system of Islam, equality is the cardinal rule in cases of murder and hurt. The Quran (2:178) allows qisas in cases of intentional murder:

Great!! all these men do not even recognize the constitution of Pakistan and remain FREE citizens of Pakistan. Whereas, a person named Musharraf is being trialed for treason for accepting the constitution and taking actions as per the powers vested upon him.......... is this justice ......... isn't this a bias policy of the courts and the current Government.

I hope, people may understand, why the negotiations between Mullahs of Laal Masjid and Musharraf's committee had failed. The rigid and senseless behavior of Mr. Aziz lead to the Military action against Laal Masjid and similarly it will be going soon against Talibans. I am worried for Mr.Nawaz Shareef now, who will soon be cursed for his Military actions if taken against Talibans like Mr. Musharraf and the same people will make these Talibans hero again. Feel pity for Mr. Nawaz Shareef. Mukafaat-e-amal.

Who is sabotaging talks? Mr Imran Khan, Mr. Abbasi and Ms. Mazari? Lets start shariah implementation by punishing the brutal killers.

@Abdul Aziz refuses talks under the Constitution of Pakistan while in other news a former COAS & president of Pakistan is being tried for Treason. wonderful Pakistan

Great!! This is real commitment!!!

Shame on government, actually shame on Pakistani people to have this scoundrel preach his sermon of hatred and venom right from our capital city. Was there any doubt where his heart lies and what his intentions are? Taliban must be having a huge laugh at the expense our so called politicians.This is beyond disgusting.

This means Maulana Abdul Aziz does not believe in Pakistan's constitution. Why did the Supreme court set him free then. Why is a man who does not believe in Pakistan's constitution who picked up arms against the government and people of Pakistan was allowed to go free by our courts and an Ex Army Chief and Ex President is being tried for treason. Is this justice or farce.

It is beyond any sane person's understanding why utterances from a criminal like Maulana Aziz are given space in the media. What's even more disturbing is that there are people (in power) who probably think what he says is worth debating.

what about Article 6??

so talks have started!!!!!

Is the govt. so blind to see that they are just playing games? These things should happen 1. TTP should be eliminated! 2. Present govt. should be eliminated. 3. A true islamic govt. and consitutation based on the true teachings of Prophet (Peace be upon him) and his Shabah should be established. Not based on rules made by these shameful terrorist mulas

Pakistan govt. and army has tried its best to talk/negotiate.. Now attack, sooner than later. Pakistan is paying the price for delaying.

To the point that Pakistan Constitution is not Islamic as claimed by the Government, Cleric from TTP is right. In Quraan Allah has commanded " LA IQRA HA FEEDEEN" MEANING There is no completion in DEEN e ISLAM. No body is allowed to set the conditions to ascertain any one's faith and believes. If some body says he is Muslim he is a Muslim, If some body claims that he practices Christian or Hindu or Sikh believes and practices those believes, then no body has the right to force and dictate them what to do. This is the law and sunnah of Prophet Mohammad SAS. Question arises that How many Mullahs and Legislators understand Quran and Sunnah and practice it in the true sense? It is the time to crush the terrorists not to bow to their illegal demands. Majid

Many thanks for blurting out your true intentions. We all remember your antics during the Grand Jihad at the lal masjid when you escaped with your life using Sharia and a burqa. You should be thankful to this constitution that allows you to roam freely and allows Idiotic Pakistanis to still voice support for you. This is not Jinnah's Pakistan nor Allah's Islam.

Who are these guys they kill your people and you negotiate with them they want to set the pace of the dialogue.....Kab tak Pakistan. Take control of your country.

Negotiating with terrorists is a fruitless exercise. There were countless agreements with them in the past and they broke everyone of them. They always talk about Islamic law, however they never understand the foundations of the religion to begin with. They forget that prophet Mohammad once made a pact with an enemy, he always stood by the agreement. These terrorists who killed thousands of innocent women and children, army men, now claim to be the guardians of Islam, never be trusted. They must be defeated and brought to justice. If we don't learn from history, we'll become history soon.

The current laws of Pakistan are based on shariah to many degrees, so for TTP to make excuses about shariah not being in the constitution and in Pakistan legal code, it is all about trying to avoid being serious. I really do not think TTP is serious about seeking peace.

Perfect. The taliban and Mr. Aziz don't believe in the constitution? Fine. They get no benefits of it. Jail, no bail. No access to a lawyer. As long as he tells us whats the punishment for treason "Islamically" and we will punish him accordingly.

@Kashif: Abdul Aziz IS Taliban, he IS representing Talibans. TTP has nominated him. So yes, We the Pakistan, the weaker party, would now find some more excuses intead of trying this person who openly defies the constitution.

Are suicide bombings part of quran and sunnah? This is more of a power struggle

99% of Pakistanis donot want taleban sharia ( killing shias ,killing small school Girls , robbing banks in Karachi etc.) Why this Burqa clerik Thinks that people of Pakistan will accept his demands.

Imran Khan I feel sorry that your excitement was ruined so quickly. Despite your sayings, the fact is that Taliban do not accept the constitution of Pakistan.

I think musharraf was much bettr nd efficient leadr of pak rathr dan dese mulla lobby. He went ahead to settle kashmir issue aftr kargil misadventure. He tried to make relation wid israel. He has a vision for d country. But d probs for both indo pak is due to illetracy ppl r electing inefficient leadrs

what kind of shariah Law is he talking about. Law which protects women and children or the law which put women in the corner of the room and do not send kids to school for education. full of Joke.

It clearly shows that they are not interested in having any peace talks but force their "version of Islam" on us. It is disgraceful that they killed so many of our brave soldiers and civilians and we are having talks with them ? We need to man up and wipe them out completely. LTTE was one of the deadliest terror outfit in south asia (suicide bombing was started by LTTE, they even had navy and airforce), and Sri Lankan government annihilated them through a major combat operation. It

Does Islam also teach you to run from combat leaving behind women and children wearing a burqa? Why does he have men brandishing AK-47's behind him at a press conference in Islamabad?

And obviously only the Maulana and his cohorts should have the right to make our constitution "Islamic"

Hamid Government should never surrender to terrorists. They have killed over 40000 innocent people . Goverment must establish its writ first and force talibans to come to the table otheriwse crush them with the full force . Its not Islam at all what talibans are trying to impose..

It is quite astonishing that M Abdul Aziz is expecting Quran and Sunnah from the government while the constitution does not include a single clause that go against Islam. It should be asked from Maulana if the bloodshed by the TTP is according to Quran and Sunnah.

Nothing but a shortcut to power, Mr Aziz and co. use Sharia to get themselves into a position of power. Even if Sharia is implemented and these guys don't get the ranking they so desperately crave, they will continue to kill because it's not "the right type" of Sharia.

High treason???

The Taliban are the worst form of Khawarij. Pakistan's 1973 Constitution is based on the Islamic system. No law in Pakistan can be enacted which is contrary to Sharia. The fact that these takfiri TTP and their supporters including Maulana Samiul Haq and that mullah from Lal Masjid do not accept this should make people realize that all TTP want is a Taliban rule over Pakistan with their munafiqat and narrow minded policies ruling this godforsaken country of ours. Had the people of Pakistan read up on the Khawarij movement and the fitna, fassad and destruction it brought upon the Muslims in the times of the rightly guided Khalifas, may Allah be pleased with them all, the TTP fitna would have been nipped in the bud. It is a tragedy for Pakistan's Muslims that they have allowed this takfiri fitna to grow and blackmail them in the name of Islam. The Sahaba, including Hazrat Abdullah ibn Abbas RA talked to these munafiqs and gave them daleels directly from what the Prophet of Allah, Muhammad SAW, had taught him and these Takfiri Khawarij persisted in their ways. The same is the case with the TTP. This is a half-literate, tribal mullah lead militant group which will not agree to anything short of complete surrender to them. Wake up you Muslims of Pakistan! Realize that this fitna mongering is not the Islam that our prophet SAW taught us. We are not allowed to kill innocent men, women and children just because they happen to be in the way of us achieving our political goals. We are not allowed to send suicide bombers into places of worship. We are not to call another Muslim a Kaafir and condemn him to death because we (or TTP in this case) disagree with him. The Prophet of Allah (SAW) and his companions never did this and never allowed this to happen in their presence. When confronted by the Khawarij fitna, the leading scholar of Islam and Khalifa, Hazrat Ali RA, confronted these extremists just the same way we must. Our soldiers and officers are believers, those cutting off their heads and rolling them around, or killing our innocent Pakistani compatriots are the most evil fassadis. Lets get clarity in our minds about this takfiri fitna. Let us become united in defeating their self-serving political goals of hegemony by force over us. May Allah keep all of the people of Pakistan safe from the evil and fitna of the TTP Khawarij and their takfiri beliefs.

The cat has actually come out from the bag earlier than expected, what do you expect from a goon like him. It's about time that stupid government and people of Pakistan should realize that there is no other option but operation against the killers of 50000 Pakistanis. These barbarians should be taken care of sooner the better. And send the macula a back where he belongs, but ,ake sure this time without burqa.

The Pak govt who had earlier stated that it is entering into talks without putting any conditions should have necessarily avoided bringing constitution frame work condition to pursue this dialogue. Had the Federal govt stuck to its earlier stand and firstly allowed Taliban to state its impossible conditions like imposition of Sharia, releasing of all prisoners etc and shown its reaction at a later stage could have put the govt on a much stronger footing. The change in stand has certainly given an edge to Taliban to simply walk out blaming the govt squarely for not being serious in continuing talks. Not-withstanding above, the govt should still pursue the dialogue till it reaches a dead end from the other side and only then contemplate further coarse of action.

@Kashif: General Musharf was 100% correct. How did this man got scot free in courts for the death of so many soldiers that he was directly responsible for. The sad thing is that our Government prosecuted General Musharf for the Lal Masjid incident.

@Kashif: Our "Kangaroos Courts" set the idiot free. He and his brother were the "King Pin" and the "Link Pin" in running a parallel administration in Rawalpindi and Islamabad and the undeclared war against state. .

Maulana abdul aziz is the man who ran , in the guise of a woman , to save his life. He is a munafiq

@Riaz: Amen, brother.

Is this the same person who ran out wearing a burqa with other girls. I don't think this man will neither be helpful to the Taliban nor to the on going negotiations.

This man Abdul Aziz is nothing,but a trouble maker.Just check his previous records.

So you want to enforce Quran and Sunnah when you yourself dont understand or misinterpret it by ordering suicide bombings and brainwashing the youth who dont know any better. Yes, there is nothing wrong with enforcing Quran and Sunnah but Taliban cannot be the enforcers.

If anyone still held questions about the true intent of the Taliban, this should lay those questions to rest. The Taliban want to overthrow the Constitution and rule this nation themselves with their own interpretations. Enough with this "negotiation" nonsense. Get rid of them.

He's been given too much attention by the media...clearly he's too excited.

Jinnah's Dream of Secular Pakistan coming to an end ?

Wonder what will Imran say now. With TTP in its present form, Pakistan is doomed.

Negosiations with TTP.There wil be no success for sure and Its about time that PAK ARMY should gear up to battle with these cowards/murderers/rebels and they shoud be tried for all the killings that they have been taking resposibility for,they dont know how to live and let other people live. We back to Pak ARMY.Pakistan Zindabad LOVE PAKISTAN

I believe that, I am a Muslim because I believe that there is only one God, Allah and Mohammad (peace be upon him) is his last messenger. Islamic law is the best law in the whole world because it is not a man-made thing. People can make mistakes but Allah cannot. Man-made laws can have loop holes and errors which can be used by the strong/rich people against weak/poor people, but Allah laws are free from any errors or loop holes. In Pakistan

One wonders who should the government be trying in the court: a helpless retired general for subverting constitution or terrorists of a banned organization who crush the very constitution under their feet every time the govt makes an offer! Not a single day passes by in this country when citizens are not killed. But such is the callousness of this government that instead of taking the terrorists head on, it is busy making desperate offers and engaging the nation in a useless trial of a former general in the name of pseudo justice!

What is he talking about this is not in line with our religion? There are 9 top religious leaders who represent all major factions of the sects of Islam that is practiced in Pakistan. Our constitution in itself was passed by the signature of leaders from all these sects. These Mullah's want their way with our country and that shall not happen. If it comes down to them dictating law to us at the force of gun, there is not any but one way of defending Pakistan for us, for all the peaceful and true muslims of this land of the pure. I only see one way this is going, and likewise I support that way, even if it comes for us to take part in it.

it would be helpful if he defines what the Islamic law is and what so Unislamic about the current constitution.

Excuse me. Is Maulana Sahib asking me the ordinary citizen of Pakistan as to what I want? The only way I speak is via ballot. Why is he putting a gun to my head? I have spoken many times and I chose the Constitution. Does he respect my choice?

So, do they think, all the brutal murders of innocent people they committed, all these years are according to their own 'Islamic law'. My advice to the Pakistani government is not to waste its time in useless negotiation with these traitors. Wipe them off like the Sri Lankan government did with the heartless tigers with the help of Pakistani and Chinese governments. People who believe in only guns, and bombs do their talking only with them. So the Pakistani government has to respond with similar way and I don't see any other ways. Please do not trust the Un-Islamic,.treacherous Talibans! Wipe these illiterate shameful lot! Sooner is better for Pakistan. Long live Pakistan! Down with the heartless murderous Talibans!

@Kashif: Musharraf should have killed him like his brother

One thought that first they will come to the table to start the peace talks and only later on ,will bring the Sharia law issue as part of their overall agenda. However, to demand the imposition of Sharia law as a precondition to talks simply shows that they are not interested in having a serious dialogue with the state of Pakistan. The question to be asked is what is paramount here, the constitution of Pakistan, or the demands of a group of self-styled so called defenders of the faith? We have a constitution which has taken into account the Islamic nature of the country and its people-hence applicable to one and all. This needs to be made clear at the outset by the Government-any appeasement at this stage or later will not work.

These talks will never yield any result. Hope tha Army is continuing with its preparations to act immediately this farce of negotiations ends.

I say we do this. 1. Accept sharia 2. declare taliban guilty of violating sharia by killing innocents 3. kill all taliban

@Kashif: No he didn't... he missed him!

When every member starts talking in his own press conference, the negotiations have already failed. TTP does not have a decipline in their own team. These are bunch criminals who don't even recognize the constitution. End of negotitions. Milliatry may have to be ready much earlier than anticipated. Time for action, nation will stand behind the army.

those who think that munafiqeen can speak truth, should go back and read history of Islam ! this female (Abdul Aziz was caught fleeing from Lal Masjid in burqa) should be prosecuted and hanged as per the constitution and for the same reason Musharaf is served with arrest warrant.

There should be a referendum that what people of Pakistan want, people like Abdul Aziz or Musharaf

Spoiler! Now we understand why Musharraf had to flush out these kind of elements from Lal Masjid. Right from the beginning, I had objection to his inclusion in the committee because of his personal greviance due to Lal Masjid. Such a person cannot rise above personal loss.

Its too funny. Now, there is need of fourth constitution. Because, according to TTP Islamic Republic Pakistan has no Islamic Constitution.:-)

Dawn, very sorry, since long you are not accommodating me.This man is just a complete Fitna. How he is jumping and bouncing.An empty vessel makes much noise.Musharraf had treated these evil very well.

So, the Pakistani Government wants to try Musharraf for breaking Article 6 of the constitution but on the other hand wants to negotiate with people who do not recognize not even one line of the constitution, talk about double standards. Syed

Some one please tell me why Musharraf, and not Maulana Abdul Aziz is being tried for treason? Wasn't it the same maulana who kidnapped people, used them as human shield and fought against the Pakistan military? And is now openly rejecting the constitution? Instead, we didn't just let him go, but are trusting him with a highly sensitive task. We are such a joke of a nation!

Game over !

And I think we should put Gen. Mush on another treason trial for not taking down this guy "Maulana" Abdul Aziz the first chance he got!

The people who are supporting the terrorist and do not accept the Constitution of Pakistan, they are not sincere with the country, they want to isolate the country and destroy our customs, rules and regulations. No doubt these people are frustrated with this system, the correct way to follow the right way, putting aside the guns, convince the people, run the election, go parliament and change the system. There are everything in the constitution but we need the follow and accountable for our deeds. The is not the right way to make changes. Be muslim we wants better way in accordance with Quran but not under the cover of Gun. Islam have not been accepted under the influence of gun through out the world.

So the govt got its answer within 2 days. Can we please start the military action now and wipe them out?

I hope the peace talks go on long enough for us to get the F-16s and a few divisions ready. Fire and brimstone should rain down on them, like it did in Swat. More vicious if it needs to be.

Was Musharaf right ?

Dekho molvi ko zarra si tawwajja do to kaisay parr nikaalta hai

@Kashif: Surely Musharraf did the right thing. This Government is coward, incompetent & corrupt. Nothing will come out of this talk with terrorists.

the gov. should have knocked him off when they had a chance.still not too late

@Kashif: mushraf made a mistake,he should have made a waco texas out of the lal masjid

Is he the same guy who ran away from the mosque with a Burka? Can you imagine this clown leading the country.

Put Aziz on treason trial instead of Musharraf. Our premier is not Sher. This sher can eat his opponents, but can not dare to face TTP. What military is waiting for??????

@mac1960: Taliban and their negiciators can only understand with the voice of bullets, gun, rockets, bombs and and and Nuc. Gen Shareeeeef and PM Shareeeef get on your toes, please.

More Christian than the Pope

Negotiations won't work with the Taliban round these bandits up And put them down.They are terrorizing the citizens of Pakistan slowing the progress of the nation and yet the goverment wants to sit down and discuss politics with them, they have blood on their hands they Won't change it's a whole ideology gone wrong which has served its purpose in the past and no longer in use people who created it have moved on, so bring an end this old spaghetti western movie.

@SYED IMTIAZ AHMED: talks with murderers,who want to hijack islam terrible joke on pakistan

@Aamir: remember. It's not sharia to blame. Or the q'uran or sunnah or Islam. It's the Taliban's own radical ideology. If I go up to you Aamir - and say that "In the name of science, and the laws of physics I intend to kill you and prevent polio drops" that doesn't mean that something is wrong with the logic behind the laws of physics. That means something is wrong with your extremist interpretation.

When he wore a burqa, attempting to escape from the Red Mosque, was he respecting Sharia? Just wondering.

Where we will go from hear, where is Imran Khan and all other supporters TTP, should a case of treason be registered against them. They are supporting an entity who does not recognize the constitution.

@Kashif: he should have been killed.

Taliban's "Jihad" is against innocent civilians and school going girls and their "shariat" is killing, killing and more killing. Don't wast your time on "mazak-raat", bring all of them to justice. Pakistanis are liberal people don't let a group of murderers force their "law" on them. Insult of the constitution and the state through the hands and tongue of these mullas is getting unbearable.

@Kalim: And imagine they would like to impose that suffocation on entire Pakistan!

Just check thumbs UP and thumbs Down on evey comment and it will be clear that what Pakistani nation wants.

Wild Cats of and in our system but who will bell them?

It is end of the talk. If these self made Islamic Sharia law expert know that Quran and Sunnah recognize the law of the land (constitution). Goverment and all political parties should stand farm against these unconstitutional elements and people of Pakistan will back you all the way. We are tired of them for hijacking our freedom and constitution.

They should be termed as enemies of the state.

He is the same molana who in 2007 believed that coming on TV is unislamic and against sharia. now in 2014 under amirul momineen, the sharia has changed. Pakistan need leaders like him to progress and prosper.

@Outraged: Cool reply

How happy Maulana Abdul Aziz looks thinking that since the talks cannot be held under the present constitution, the governemnt is cornered and now if they want to talk, they have no choice but to accept our Sharia even before the talks take place. WOW!

.Sharia laws as modified by the passage of 1500 years are followed by all societies including USA,UK and India. Pakistan Negotiators should explain and emphasise on Taliban's that Pakistan follows Sharia laws. It will require patience and coolness to convince the harsh willed uncouth Taliban's negotiator of it. The government of Pakistan may demonstrate by chopping head of few militant Taliban's for destruction of human lives under Sharia Taliban's be asked to explain their perspective of Sharia laws. The retrospective imposing of Sharia will be a good thing. It will bring the TTP under the umbrella of the Sharia Laws . Mere demand for Sharia Laws without elaborating of it is futile demand. Demand should be clear and explained to be conceded. Sharia laws are a good thing. It will reduce crimes in Pakistan and FATA 7 23

Negotiation should not be under the Constitution of Pakistan. It should be under Common Sense. The government should concede to the demand that it will not be under the constitution immediately to move forward

I look forward to the day this mullah is waiting for his turn to hang at the gallows, (without his burka this time), in the cell next door his friend Musharraf. Imagine the conversation!

@zaffar: I agree. Is he not the same person who was trying to run away from lal masjid wearing a burqa?. Hi is no maulana. What a strange world we live in. This so called maulana was fighting a war with the army and is running around the country saying whatever he likes and Musharraf is going through a trial !!.

Some of us Muslims are so ignorant about own religion that we believe whatever is said by the media because we do not have time or don

Speak softly but carry a long stick. Pakistan needs an Ataturk who can drag its society, screaming and fighting, to 21st century' modern world.

Is he not the same man who ran away from lal masjid wearing a burqa?. He preferred to wear a woman's clothes and ran away from what was considered a "jihad".

@kamljit Singh: yes.... things r pointing to his being right............

@NHM: very right........

Talibans is an old word, invention of General Zia. They should be redefined now in view of their past, present and future.

In 2005 this guy issued a fatwa that no Pakistani Army officer could be given an Islamic burial if he died fighting the Taliban. It is just unbelievable that the government would 'negotiate' with such a creature. He is an insult to the people of Pakistan.

@Ahmad: What a ridiculous comparison! Can you tell me who is best qualified to preach our religion to us and based on what? How is a Mowlana or an Imam better informed than the rest of us. They have read the Holy Quran just like us - maybe their interpretation is different than what ours is - but that doesn't make it right. We all have been given intelligence by Almighty Allah and maybe it will be a good idea to use that intelligence - rather than relying on the teachings of our Mowlana's - who have their selfish motives in everything they say..

Separate religion and state, all will be well. As long as religion is linked to laws and constitution, these so-called religious maulana sahibs will keep on surfacing their heads, filled with self-righteous nonsense ideas, and keep trying to take the country from the dark ages to the stone age.

An Urban terrorist talking on behalf of a rural terrorists that's great !

@Khalid: this is called terrorists raj

As a third person, its very intriguing to see Pak in a dilemna whether to bring happiness through traditional beliefs of hell and heaven or to bring happiness through modernity of earning money through people's God given talents ! Best of luck Pak for being crunched in between two hard surfaces !