Women promote mosques ‘for all’ in Britain

Published Aug 11, 2013 03:20pm
Naima leads prayers in London. - Photo by AFP
Naima leads prayers in London. - Photo by AFP

LONDON: In the damp basement room of a Caribbean restaurant in London, Naima leads prayers for an audience of male and female worshippers.

They face Mecca, directed by an arrow scrawled on a blackboard in pink chalk.

But Naima -- she did not want to give her full name -- had just begun the Al-Fatiha when a young woman got up and hurried out of the room in Camden in the north of the British capital.

As if on cue, “Should I Stay Or Should I Go” by punk band The Clash was playing in the restaurant.

Leila Bakkioui, 25, clad in a headscarf, admitted she was reeling.

“I went downstairs to pray and a sister led the prayer,” she explained breathlessly to her friend Tana Rasekh, who was waiting for her in the restaurant.

Rasekh said: “When she came out, I thought she had seen a ghost.” Bakkioui, a young mathematics teacher, had stumbled into a group of Muslims working towards a more “inclusive” Islam, where men and women pray in the same room, with women sometimes leading the prayers.

Tamsila Tauqir helped to launch the Inclusive Mosque Initiative (IMI) in November last year after she became frustrated by what she saw in mosques in Britain and the wider Muslim world.

She said the practices of Islam are still based on “cultural traditions of patriarchy” based on texts that were compiled “three hundred years after the death of the Prophet”.

“There is nothing in the Quran that says that women and men can't pray together or that women can't lead prayers,” said Tauqir, whose long black shirt with long sleeves matches her Dr. Martens shoes, while a keffiyeh is arranged around her neck.

But Bakkioui strongly disagrees.

“What you saw is not Islam. It's corrupt,” she told AFP.

“Women can't lead if there are men in the room. And they stay behind. When you pray you bend down and you don't want to think 'he is looking at my bottom'! It's the last thing you want to think about.” Her friend Rasekh agrees. “You can't make things up the way you want,” said the 26-year-old mother of two.

A few tables away, a dozen IMI members were congregating after prayers.

“I understand that people are shocked because we have been taught that men and women pray separately, but I have adapted,” said Sophia, a 33-year-old French woman who works in telemarketing. She is attending the prayer group for the first time.

“A lot of people forget to focus on the essential things. They just do what everyone else does without taking the time to read the Quran,” said Sophia, a tall woman who has her dark hair pulled up into a bun.

She admitted she doesn't agree “with everything that goes on around this table”, pointing to the presence of a handful of homosexual men at the session that evening.

One of her friends added: “It is contradictory to be gay and Muslim.” IMI, which says it has 500 people on its mailing list, does not yet have a permanent home -- Tauqir describes it as a “nomadic mosque”.

The group has pointedly not found a mosque willing to host their meetings.

“We meet two or three times a month and we hire rooms,” Tauqir said. “We are looking for donations to have a physical space in London and somewhere else.” Tauqir admits she has received “dismissive” comments about the group, but insists they were not “threatening”.

When contacted by AFP for comment on IMI, two leading Islamic organisations in Britain failed to respond.

Hassan Wanini, a Kenyan man taking part in an IMI session for the first time, predicted that if the group continued to grow, “there will be a backlash”.

“But the Prophet himself suffered a lot to be Muslim. In his time he was seen as a liberal. We are just carrying on what he was doing,” he said.

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Faisal
Aug 11, 2013 03:40pm

Just wondering about the quote:

She said the practices of Islam are still based on “cultural traditions of patriarchy” based on texts that were compiled “three hundred years after the death of the Prophet”.

There is no guidance in Quran how to perform namaz, and yet she is following the same text compiled “three hundred years after the death of the Prophet” to perform namaz (unless she made that up as well).

Oz
Aug 11, 2013 03:49pm

One must remember that while living in the west, we cannot bend or change our fundamental belief and the sharia under which we observe namaz (salat), roza (soum) etc. There are many people who are adding or proposing the same things in order to be "accepted" by the fundamental westerners, who themselves may or may not follow any religion, but have low morality when it comes to contacts between "Mehram" and "Na-Mehram". The rules laid out by Allah and taught by our prophet are very clear that a woman cannot lead a Jama'at prayer of men or men and women. She may lead a prayer amongst women or children, but should not sit ahead. Allah knows well that why this is the case, as a follower, I believe its preserves the woman's dignity and keeps the "na-mehram" eyes away.

Umer
Aug 11, 2013 03:53pm

Shame on the writer to promote such things

Subhan.Soomro
Aug 11, 2013 03:54pm

In Islam its not allowed to women to Lead prayer it is forbidden even if a men is leading prayer and a men is standing behind a women it is also not allowed only women can lead prayer in that condition when there are all women behind it...

Anees
Aug 11, 2013 04:02pm

This is NOT allowed in Sharia'a whatever logic, social and cultural reasons you come up with.

Zameer
Aug 11, 2013 04:44pm

@Oz: In corporate companies throughout the world, women LEAD men and people like yourself and myself do work under a woman's leadership unflinchingly for a salary. Take a cue from that buddy. Times are changing so should your interpretation of the holy books. You are out of touch with reality.

Truth
Aug 11, 2013 04:46pm

Author wants to open up a new debate and confusion, among the already confused nation

Is it necessary to report everything, irrespective of good or bad?

Quran doesn't talk about number of rakaats in salat so shall we pray whatever number we wish

La Ilaha IllAllah Muhammad-Ur-RasulAllah, we have to submit to both parts of kalima

Imran Arif
Aug 11, 2013 05:10pm

quran even doesnt tell us how to pray .. muslims are told to stand side by side and leave no space between them when praying and even their feet should touch each other .. I have no idea what this woman is saying or promoting. She has no logic whatsoever and no understanding of ISLAM. She herself is pointing finger towards the 300 yr old texts and also following them .. n I would urge Dawn not to promote such people ..

gj
Aug 11, 2013 06:04pm

Not sure of Muslim MEN. If they are more interested in seeing the bottom of women leading the prayer and thus women cannot lead the prayer, what the hell on God's name they are doing in the mosque at the first place....

citizen
Aug 11, 2013 06:22pm

@Faisal brilliant!

Syed
Aug 11, 2013 06:26pm

To our media and reports please stop encouraging this and do not allow people to play games with religion. Secular, open mindedness all good but not in Islamic laws, this issues is being raised hear in the west to demoralize our religion.

Rahmat
Aug 11, 2013 06:37pm

Time to do some introspection. Why are women sole custodians of modesty while men are free to do whatever they choose? Is it because those who laid the 'law' were all men.

Muhammad
Aug 11, 2013 06:46pm

@Faisal: Islam used to allow slavery. (As did Judaism and Christianity). Shouldn't we make progress on this issue as well? Women aren't less than men. Any tradition of female subservience should be sticken from our Muslim traditions as a shameful past just as we have rid ourselves of the scourge of slavery which only 80 years ago still took place in Mecca.

ajnabi Khan
Aug 11, 2013 06:58pm

This is beautiful! Maybe, the future is here now! Isn't one supposed to focus on God while praying; rather than noticing someone's bottom (be it a man's or a woman's)? Good to see some open mindedness depicted in this mosque. Thanks for writing this article, well done. Narrow mindedness in the name of religion is only self serving; feeding one's own ego.

ekpakistani
Aug 11, 2013 07:41pm

@Zameer: What a deception and extreme liberalism ....that is called "Liberal Faschism"...Everyone is responsible for his/her own actions and we will see that...These are called the "CULTS", deviated groups and minds lumped in the mud of confusions and materialism....

Umar
Aug 11, 2013 07:44pm

@Zameer: There has never been an issue with a man working for a women, it is a completely different matter. Please do not mix the two.

The Prophet (PBUH) was contracted by Hadija to work for her, there is no prohibition in that. On the other hand there is no precedence of women leading religious affairs. You are free to construct your own new sect but be prepared to answer to Allah (SWT)

Syed Hussain Akbari
Aug 11, 2013 08:33pm

There are reasons that women are not allowed to lead any prayer. Furthermore, in leading prayers where men are also there other reasons exist as well. Whatever is being done is the teaching of Salman Rushdie and so many others who have not understood the Holy Prophet at all. Today the greater enemies of Islam are not the non-Muslims but they are they themselves. And this has already been predicted.

Amie Butt
Aug 11, 2013 09:05pm

This is refreshing to see women leading the prayer. If u are in mosque praying and you are thinking about someone rare than there is something wrong with your prayer. May be u do not need to be there in mosque.

AJ
Aug 11, 2013 09:14pm

It aint healthy to report whats wrong,every muslim knows that.These people and their supporters believe that Islam is based on patriarchic traditions,Islam is based on what the Quran and the Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) said.There are many things that the Quran hasnt explained but the Hadith (saying of the Prophet) explains..As stated earlier follow both the parts of the Shahadah!

Amir
Aug 11, 2013 09:21pm

This is at least better than whatever is happening in the name of Islam in Pakistan and other Muslim countries.

Cool
Aug 11, 2013 10:02pm

@Zameer: There is a difference between physical forms of worship and corporate companies.

Ohsama
Aug 11, 2013 10:23pm

It is amazing to see all these negative commends about how to pray !!. People always mention tradition, culture and practices when it comes to religion, but when it comes to life we go for comfort, money, technology, modern science,medicine so on and so forth. There is nothing wrong with who you pray with or who is in front. If you are that weak minded person one shouldn't even live with your mother or sisters, because they might cause temptations !!!

gangadin
Aug 11, 2013 11:37pm

@Truth: Its all made up. We don't have to submit to the second part of Kalima. Prayer is your personal connection with God. No body has to lead any one, nor do you need a mosque to pray to God

Balwanjee
Aug 12, 2013 12:00am

Islam is now 1445 years old and the traditions were published about three hundred years after the death of the Prophet. Well, do the Muslims see any dispute in those three hundred years and after that, about rakats and times of prayers, in the history? If not, then the traditions reached in the present time, as it was during the time of the prophet. If, Muslims want to change it now, then it is a different issue and a matter of discussions by the experts in this field (Ulemas), before adopting it, to avoid chaos in religion.

Hafeez
Aug 12, 2013 02:04am

Why there is no female is elected as Pope? If sharia says women can not lead the prayers a head of men, there should be no objections as in the case Papal elections no female can lead similarly the Muslim prayers also can not be lead by female

ajnabi Khan
Aug 12, 2013 02:27am

Thanks for sharing this information. Excellent reporting. I can only see some good coming out of this practice. I do not see anything wrong with a woman leading prayers; or, for opening up the mosque to all. It looks like the future is here. Great to see some open mindedness within the scope of a great religion. May God bless you all.

ssf
Aug 12, 2013 04:32am

Allah created men and women equal but men changed all that and by tradition women have become unequal. There is nothing in Quran that makes them inferior. Aisha took part in combat and was very active.

safdar
Aug 12, 2013 06:23am

Prayer cannot be led by a woman. It is disallowed by all sects of Islam so please do not distort the face Islam!!

GPR FIX
Aug 12, 2013 06:57am

In the 7th century there was no internet, no computers, practically nothing, then why not just go back and live in 7th century instead using all modern amenities?

When are you guys gonna grow up?

xulfjan
Aug 12, 2013 08:48am

Things will change...this is 21st century and women are more empowered than they ever were. Men would have to listen to their perspective and not just harp on the patriarchal and tribal interpretation of Quran.

Hussain Naqvi
Aug 12, 2013 08:50am

In the presence of male inmates of prayer congration auf woman cannot lead the prayer.Firstly the woman has to be maintain hijjab even if she offer her prayer in solitery in closer Doors.secondly being a sexual attrection the gathering cannot constrate wholeheartedly to be present before The Almighty God consequently instead gaining reward will be loosing it.However she can lead the prayer class of solely to sect where no male member is present.

Muhammadasura
Aug 12, 2013 08:52am

Well first try putting a Burqa on a man, for starters.

MNK
Aug 12, 2013 09:42am

'There is nothing in the Quran that says that women and men can't pray together or that women can't lead prayers, said Tauqir' ....

There is nothing in the Quran that says we shouldn't pray while standing on one leg, or that we shouldn't pray while balancing an egg on our head, or that we shouldn't pray whilst wearing a clown mask with a big red nose.... but does that mean its ok to do it??

MNK
Aug 12, 2013 09:45am

@Zameer: working under a woman's leadership and praying under a woman's leadership are two different things 'buddy'. Don't confuse your work with your prayers. It seems you haven't yet grasped the concept of deen and duniya.

atif
Aug 12, 2013 10:53am

@MNK: what kind of juvenile logic is that?

atif
Aug 12, 2013 10:55am

@Hafeez: What does this post have to do with Catholicism???

Moni
Aug 12, 2013 11:00am

@ssf: Does it imply that woman can led prayers? Please do not propagate false information about islam.

waqas
Aug 12, 2013 11:01am

The men in this picture are no different then the women leading the prayers.

Moni
Aug 12, 2013 11:08am

@gangadin: No body has to lead any one, nor do you need a mosque to pray to God You my friend are misinformed. What makes you think that way? Where and what have you studied/researched about Islam? Are you even a believer?

Caz
Aug 12, 2013 11:38am

The wonder of western civilization.

Mr.T
Aug 12, 2013 11:50am

NO PROPHET WAS A WOMEN. The greatest women of all in The Quran was Mariyum who give birth to Prophet Jesus. Women's can be inspiration but not to lead mankind...!

Khan
Aug 12, 2013 12:35pm

Religions were there to discipline the illitrate and misguided people. It remained purposely genuine till the Pophets were alive. Lateron It converted to ruling over the subjects and whosoever opposed the leader, has been sidlined or thrown way. Every leader is interested to gain from faith, though faith needs sacrifice and charity to poor and marginalized ones. Islam is best in literary terms but Behaviour and living Muslims did not represent that Islam. They are known as killers and creating self styled world where human race suffers the most.

Khan
Aug 12, 2013 01:13pm

Is it due to scarcity of men that this woman is leading the prayers or is it to set up an example for other women around the world? If it is to set up an example, then as a Muslim, I am saddened! May Allah have mercy on all.

Ijaz
Aug 12, 2013 01:16pm

They are not doing anything wrong,just praying rather than just chatting.If some body is leading the prayers who cares weather its man or women.If both sexes can pray togather in Mecca than whey not in ordinary life.Have a faith.

Balu Iyer
Aug 12, 2013 01:40pm

@Umer: Grow up ! don't see everything by the narrow lens of fanaticism. This is a news item and not a promotion.

Khan
Aug 12, 2013 01:53pm

I dont think women led prayers in times of the Prophet either

mohameduvaiz@gmail.com
Aug 12, 2013 02:00pm

@ssf: Men and Women are not equal. They are unique, Please dont compare they have different characteristics. You cannot compare petrol and diesel, Both burns and with different characteristics. Men and Women have similarities and Dissimilarities. Only if they doesn't have any dissimilarities then only they are said to be equal.

Nadeem Kureshi
Aug 12, 2013 02:28pm

Looking at the pic, I am wondering why there is no woman in the first row?

h.buddy
Aug 12, 2013 03:18pm

@ssf: Do you really think that both men and women are equal in all respects? Well, I disagree. Because there are certain abilities which are better in women than in men. Similarly, there are certain abilities which are better in men than in women. So please accept whatever Allah (SWT) has created us. There is no shame at all in being men or being women! But Yes, we both have different roles in everyday life. So please don't mix those roles! Sorry if someone hurts. I never mean that!

AAA
Aug 12, 2013 03:47pm

@ssf: Took part agaist whom?????

The Truth Teller
Aug 12, 2013 04:34pm

I would like to mention few of those who says men and women are equal. Yes. They are equal in Islam but I would like to tell you that Quran says Men are superior to women (Mardon ko auraton par fazeelat hai). The division of assets for Men is 1 and for woman, its 1/2. I didn't mention above translations from Quran just to prove that they are not equal. Its just that in many cases men are superior. Which is why there was never any female Prophet in the history of Islam/Christianity/Jews as long as its not distorted. And Allahs knows the best.

ms79@outlook.com
Aug 12, 2013 06:32pm

@safdar: Why discriminate between men and women with regards to Prayer. I believe everyone is equal in front of Allah and what matters more is your deeds in the light of Islam rather than your gender.

Salman
Aug 12, 2013 06:36pm

@Amie Butt: well said...that's exactly the logic. If while praying also you got to bother about such things then it's better pray at home rather than going to any Mosque.

ajnabi Khan
Aug 12, 2013 07:05pm

@MNK: so, what is wrong with praying while standing on one leg? Are you not just trying to seek guidance from God rather than following your own ego, or, some one else's egotistical preaching? Why wait till the next prescribed prayer time when you can pray as you need ..... maybe it will open up your mind and understanding for the issue at hand, whatever it may be!

Jamshed Khan
Aug 12, 2013 07:37pm

A joke which is not even funny.

Jamshed Khan
Aug 12, 2013 07:38pm

I am not sure what Dawn is getting out of posting such a minuscule event that took place in a damp basement in another part of the world..

OMG
Aug 12, 2013 08:02pm

Are you all saying men shouldn't be standing behind the women in mosque because that cause temptation, then what about women, you think they are asexual?. They have the same feelings towards men and cause temptations. So it is time for men to put on Burqua!!!

arif
Aug 12, 2013 08:07pm

@MNK:Who said it is not written in Holy Quran. It is clearly mention men are the leader and women are under men, because men are bread earner, and women responsibilities are given in house.

Always bread feeder are the leader. If you don't know then ask any person who has knowledge, You are Sunni, Shia, whatever your school of thought is but Dean (Religion) is one that is ISLAM and Prophet PBUH teaching also said,a nation who put its leader a women will not be succeed here and hereafter.

Please read hadith also., and all Prophet PBUH are men no single women

Farhat
Aug 12, 2013 08:17pm

what is wrong with all of you???? Allah has made a promise to protect this religion and His book (Quran)!! Allah says in Quran that He has given more authority/power to men but women should be treated with respect, loved and dignity at all cost. Women in our Islam's history has never led prayers before then why now??? just because you live in 21st century??? If so, then why are you still following a religion which is 1400 years old??? May Allah protect all of us and guide us to the right path and bless us with right knowledge.

raja hindustani
Aug 12, 2013 09:40pm

Isn't that blasphemous...????

h l
Aug 12, 2013 09:41pm

@Amir: 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Jamshed Khan
Aug 12, 2013 10:31pm

Praying with or behind women? It would be hard to concentrate on prayers for us men (I represent a common male in our society). Ask anyone else of the masculine gender if you don't believe me.

Syed Ahmad
Aug 12, 2013 10:55pm

They have been misguided by the enemies of Islam. Ulema should come forward and guide them. Those who have been misled should be helped with proper guidance while those who wants to spread chaos and fitna should be dealt with an iron hand.

Amjad Wyne
Aug 12, 2013 11:02pm

@MNK: "There is nothing in Quran that says we should not pray while standing on one leg....." MNK, you are confusing two very different issues. Praying behind a man or a woman does not change the ritual or obligation - standing on one leg does unless an individual has only one leg to stand on. That said, I wish Muslims would devote as much energy, resources, time, thought and discussion to worldly knowledge and personal betterment as they do to observe religious teachings and practices. Our lives will not change if we only focus on after life.

Pervez
Aug 13, 2013 12:23am

@MNK. There is nothing in the Quran that tell you how to pray or what to recite during prayers. You need to read and understand a subject before commenting. Now who taught us how to to pray what to say and where is order for five daily prayers? Please go learn.

Regards

Pervez
Aug 13, 2013 12:30am

I love the logic of some people here. Points of note.

Men and women are equal! Aisha took part in combat! Thisis the z21st century! I could go on but lets just take the first point. I believe men and women are equal and all and everyone has a vote etc. so by the same logic of equality try and enter parliament to lead the country? Why are you not allowed? So are we really equal? Or there are degrees of equality? When a woman is leading the prayers and she bends over in raku what will the men be looking at? Yep her bottom. This is one reason why men and women shouldn't pray together. Woman voice? Another reason. Are women better controlled than men.....I personally believe so although there are exceptions.

tigum
Aug 13, 2013 01:21am

@MNK: Umm Waraqah was a contemporary of Prophet Muhammad. She knew the entire Qur'an (jama'at al-Qur'an). Because of this, the prophet appointed her to lead a group in prayer. The group consisted of both men and women. The example of Umm Waraqah is based on a hadith found to be solid, transmitted through Ibn Sa'd..

Adnan Ahmed
Aug 13, 2013 01:53am

@Faisal:

True, but that's not the point though. I persoanlly wouldn't mind standing behind a woman in prayer, we are responsible for our personal actions, while in prayer my attention should be on God, not who or what is in front of me.

ashraf
Aug 13, 2013 04:41am

I hate it when people say that islam is 1400 old religion and things need to be changed in the 21st century. Those who write and say so unfortunately have no in-depth religious knowledge and a source of fitna and misguidance. The western media use these ignorants to spread their false claim that women are inferior to men. All the great scholars in islam have agreed that only men can lead prayer and this by any means does not make women inferior to men. Both genders have different roles to play in the society and one cannot replace another. You cannot become and Alim/scholar by reading one hadith or verse from Holy Quran. I request these ignorants to please not make your own islamic rulings. Please let the respected aalims to make decisions about it.

Nadir
Aug 13, 2013 07:51am

They have evolved just like the westerners who banned slavery. Where in the Quran is slavery banned? Nowhere. So how come we muslims don't have slaves anymore? We evolved didn't we?

Sridhar
Aug 13, 2013 09:00am

@The Truth Teller: Mr. Truth teller, you are not telling the truth. You are just "lost on the dreary desert of dead habit".

Qazi
Aug 13, 2013 09:15am

@Mr.T: This does not make any sense as an argument. All Prophets were given birth to by women.

El Cid
Aug 13, 2013 09:31am

@gangadin: “Its all made up. We don't have to submit to the second part of Kalima. Prayer is your personal connection with God. No body has to lead any one, nor do you need a mosque to pray to God”

No it is NOT all made up. In Arabic the word “Masjid” is any place, clean and unpolluted, a Muslim prays. Mosque is a building, a structure. Same as 'house' is a structure but 'home' is where you live and your heart is.

And the second part of the Kalima is fundamental to Islam. That is the reason why those who 'adjust' or deny it are called heretics, even non-Muslims.

Igloo
Aug 13, 2013 09:36am

@Khan: I don't know about the time of the Prophet (S.A.W) but if I remember correctly, there was at least one female sahabi who used to lead the prayer in her house - and the jamaat included male members. However the jamaat was organised with men in the front row and ladies in back row. The sahabia led whilst standing in the female row. She was the most learned of her household hence her imaamat. God know best.

MNK
Aug 13, 2013 10:57am

@atif: its the same logic by which supporters of this innovations justify this practice. i.e. because Quran does not state otherwise 'it must be ok to do it' ... please read carefully next time before commenting.

Farrukh
Aug 13, 2013 11:01am

@Ohsama: dear bro we need to look at the lives of the Holy Prophet and Umahat ul Momineen and the pious caliphs.... is there any proof or any instance of this kind of thing happening then? If not then that for me is the end of discussion because we re followers of Islam and Sunnah of Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.A.W). Such debates only help creating misconceptions about our faith and one should abstain to the extent possible. Hope you take it in a positive way. Good day!

Fouad
Aug 13, 2013 11:21am

But the Prophet himself suffered a lot to be Muslim. In his time he was seen as a liberal. We are just carrying on what he was doing,” Why dont they follow all thing's the prophet (s.a.a.w.) said if he like's to follow it so much. They portions that suit their needs twist and work to their advantage, just the way they did with the bible and torah !!

Waqar
Aug 13, 2013 12:21pm

Just ask yourself one question, assume if our Holy Prophet PBUH was to come and personally witness that a woman is leading the prayers and mixed men and women are praying behind her (as shown in the picture), what would be his reaction? Would he be pleased or displeased. You ask this question to yourself and you will get the answer. The answer my heart gave me is that he will be displeased as if he ever wanted this to happen, he would have at least once asked Bibi Aisha to lead the prayers in the Masjid to set an example. But this did never happen in his life!!!

Muslim
Aug 13, 2013 12:31pm

No offence, was just wondering: 1) Why didn’t any female lead a prayer or even give azaan during Muhammad's (S.A.W) time. 2) Makkah the birth place of our beloved of prophet and madina where our prophet migrated to and passed away. Why is it that since Muhammad's S.A.W times never has a female lead a prayer there? 3) Why are all prophets male. Why? just wondering And to all those who think this is the future or that we should adapt or who are happy about it, if new things are added to islam it is called bida' or biddat and those who do it will be punished. Islam is the only complete religion. It has everything in it for us and does not need moderinization or improvement.

Muslim
Aug 13, 2013 12:52pm

No offence, was just wondering: 1) Why didn’t any female lead a prayer or even give azaan during Muhammad's (S.A.W) time. 2) Makkah the birth place of our beloved of prophet and madina where our prophet migrated to and passed away. Why is it that since Muhammad's S.A.W times never has a female lead a prayer there? 3) Why all prophets are male. Why? just wondering And to all those who think this is the future or that we should adapt or who are happy about it, if new things are added to islam it is called bida' or biddat and those who do it will be punished. Islam is the only complete religion. It has everything in it for us and does not need moderinization or improvement.

Pak
Aug 13, 2013 01:00pm

@OMG: This is why they pray in seperate room!!!

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 01:31pm

@GPR FIX: So Don't use 7th century product go and find 21st century religion and obey that and leave Islam as it is

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 01:33pm

@ajnabi Khan: Study Islam first then make any comments

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 01:36pm

@Balwanjee: Law was written forever and we can't change it according to our wish and that is the difference between Islam and other religion

Anis Ahmad Fatehpuri
Aug 13, 2013 01:37pm

Biggest question is : how and why others are following her............

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 01:42pm

@Amir: If we are doing some thing wrong it doesn't mean that if someone else doing something wrong is acceptable

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 01:50pm

@Zameer: So mean to say that Allah don't know things very well and we have to do some changes in it?

Doorie
Aug 13, 2013 02:46pm

Liberals making fun of Islam...in their own way !!

Hasan Khan
Aug 13, 2013 03:00pm

Every proper noun is supposed to have a definate meaning. But here I see an exception "Islam". People doing what they "feel like" in a Muslim like fashion is not Islam.

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 04:13pm

@Nadir: Please give me reference where Islam is promoting Slavery?

Kalimullah
Aug 13, 2013 04:15pm

@tigum: He appointed her for the group of woman only and it is written in Sahih Burkhari. Please read Hadidh with complete info.

Nasir Jamal kHAN
Aug 13, 2013 06:55pm

Dividing and polarizing! Can't anyone see what's been done over here?

gopal
Aug 13, 2013 07:09pm

The west is thinking for a passenger vehicle which ca travel 800 miles an hour (daily mail UK) and muslims are worried about fitna, I never understand why muslims are so obsessed with religion. Western prisons have disproportionate number of muslims.

Umer
Aug 13, 2013 09:59pm

A logic is always based on a historical fact or a contextual verdict of recognised law. There is no historical example or any law in Islamic history, which narrates a women leading a prayer in the mosque. Moreover, its preferable for women to pray at home and men to pray at mosque. Do this lady NAIMA wants to change Islam? She wants to make her own version? Do you want to make Islam 2, or Islam Reloaded ( 21st Century fox presents)? You are inviting destruction. Naima bibi please look after your children in your home. You will not be asked by Allah, " All Muslims were suffering as all men were unable to lead the prayer". Shame on you.

Basic Muslim
Aug 13, 2013 11:15pm

In prohets time there was no seperation (curtain or wall) between men and women. Men stood in front and women in the back. If we are following the Prophet why there are curtains or walls between men and women inmosques. (Most in India Pakistan even do not allow women in mosques, inspite of the hadith that do not stop women from coming to mosque.

Basic Muslim
Aug 13, 2013 11:23pm

@Mr.T: There is no proff that no woman was prophet. There were more than 100,000 prophets, send by God. Quran does not tell that they were all me. Only handful of them were mentioned in Quran.

Basic Muslim
Aug 14, 2013 12:13am

@Balwanjee: Yes i do see many differences. Can you please tell me when asr time starts? ( I hope you know there are two distinct versions one by Hanfi and other by all others). Can you please tell me if dua Qunot should be read in witar or not? Do you know that thereis Hadith in Muslim Prophet ordering Muslime not write his Hadith? (that is the reason Abubaker, Umar, Usman and Ali did not compiled the Hadith books in their times. Do you know that their are differences in Kutba for last pilgrimage reported in Authentic Hadith books (which was witnessed and heard by thousands of people?

Agha Ata
Aug 14, 2013 02:40am

Please give me an authentic proof that slavery is condoned and is absolutely forbidden!

Saeed
Aug 14, 2013 05:09am

@Faisal: Agree but than why Muslim say Quran is complete book . Especially Pakistani with no knowledge of Arbaic always tell Quran teachs you everything in unverse . But unable tell you how to pray.

khan
Aug 14, 2013 05:20am

@Kalimullah: I wish Muslims of the world listen to you,and leave other religions alone.And dont try enforce their rotten ideas,which is not at all islam,on others.Tumhare lia tumhari rah,hamare lya hamari rah.And let god decide at the day of judgement,that who is true Muslim

Shahjee
Aug 14, 2013 12:15pm

There is no need to feel threatened by this supposed fitnah or wrongdoing. If no one in this universe can fight Allah, then no one can bring harm upon the true religion from Almighty Allah.