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The pain of partition

Published Aug 15, 2012 06:35am


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Refugees cross borders during the August 1947 partition. – File photo courtesy Citizens Archive of Pakistan
Refugees cross borders during the August 1947 partition. – File photo courtesy Citizens Archive of Pakistan

“I wasn’t informed of my mother’s demise because all forms of communication between India and Pakistan had been cut”, she* said. “It was the year 1971 and I was in Karachi. I received a telegram from a relative in London three days after she had passed away. There was nothing I could do.”

[audio] [Click play to listen to podcast, featuring tales of families divided by the partition. Reporting Zuha Siddiqui, Edited/Produced by Sara Faruqi/]

The year 1947 holds tremendous importance in the lives of the people of the subcontinent. It marked a shift in ideologies of. The repercussions of the partition spread far and wide across this massive region, with reactions of the populace ranging from indignation and fury to joy and happiness.

This monumental event has been marked in history with bloodstains of a million men, women and children who lost their lives in the partition of India.

Sixty-five years later, families on both sides of the border are still suffering; though not because of persecution or lack of representation or due to the status of a minority, but primarily due to the volatile nature of relations between the governments of India and Pakistan.

Whilst economists and businessmen argue that recent years have seen an increase in trade between the two nations, the superficial cordiality established between the two countries, which have gone to war thrice  since these 65 years, has not lessened the worries of travellers across the border between India and Pakistan.

Visa requirements for Pakistani citizens travelling to India include a form which can only be completed online and a sponsorship certificate that must be filled in by the hosts in India, stating their income status and testifying that the Pakistani visitor is of good character. After being filled in, the certificate must be sent to Pakistan via courier.

Furthermore, the hosts in India must also send via courier, copies that confirm their address and identity and the visitor from Pakistan must obtain a Police Certified Character Certificate. Amongst the pre-requisites for travelling to India is a salary greater than Rs25, 000 per month.

For Pakistani citizens belonging to a low socio-economic stratum of society, these requirements make the prospect of travelling to India to visit their near and dear ones, close to impossible.

Processing of visa forms takes a minimum of 30days and at present – unless the visitor happens to hold a diplomatic passport – stay in India cannot be extended for more than thirty days, even if the applicant is a former Indian citizen who has ‘adopted Pakistani citizenship due to marriage. Multiple entry visit visas are out of the question and Pakistani travellers to India are normally not allowed to visit more than two cities.

The government of Pakistan’s visa policies for Indian citizens are no different than the latter’s policies for Pakistani visitors.

For Muslims, Eid is normally a festival during which entire families gather for celebrations. But Mehnaz*, a resident of Lucknow, normally spends Eid alone.

“I live all alone in this massive house. My only sister is in Pakistan. I haven’t seen her since for 23 years. When my daughter married a Pakistani in 1992, I resigned to the fact that I wouldn’t see her very often in the years to come. I wasn’t with her when my grandson was born in 1999 because Kargil took place that year. Neither was I with her in 2002, when my second grandson was born because direct flights had been suspended between India and Pakistan and I am too old to endure long transits whilst waiting for connecting flights,” she says.

But Fatima* – a resident of Karachi who moved to Pakistan in 1960 – argues that although visa restrictions on both sides of the border haven’t wavered, advancements in technology have managed to bridge the communication gap that existed prior between families divided by the Indo-Pak border.

“In the 1960s, there was no Skype, no email, no text messaging. Tiny conflicts between the two countries would result in a complete clampdown of communication. Of course, maintaining virtual contact can’t replace being with your kith and kin in person – but it pacifies me. I am able to correspond with my relatives without having to wait for hours at an end for my call to connect via an operator or write letters that end up covered with dust at a remote post office – undelivered,” Fatima says.

Whilst the governments of North and South Korea – two nations oft meeting at points of conflict – have taken collaborative measures to facilitate travel of families broken by borders, one can’t help but wonder when Indo-Pak relations will reach a point where members of broken families will be able to cross borders with ease.

R Advani, who migrated from Lahore to Simla post-1947, says,“It’s been 64 years and the ice hasn’t melted; you can’t expect contentious relations to thaw overnight. But you can’t lose hope either. You can’t break the bond between the people of the subcontinent. We’ll skirt the restrictions, find ways to travel, make do with what we have and hope for a peaceful, cordial future.”

*names have been altered to protect privacy.


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prat2905 Aug 15, 2012 10:37am
Pakistani people are so naive ... They can be misguide by a piece of paper called Newspaper . In India Muslim are in minorities but still they have full right to do anything because ( Indian Muslim + Hindus ) are Indian and we respect each others . Please try to Ignore people like Moeed Pirzada who always used to misguide you people . I saw some of his episode and i was shocked every time when he was proofed wrong about India called for a break or changed the topic . Well Its not my topic of discussion ... my point is we respect every one .
Qudsi Aug 16, 2012 10:00am
I am also a Proud Pakistani. Long live Pakistan
Chadrashekhar Giri Giri Aug 25, 2012 08:33am
verry true
Khan Aug 15, 2012 10:34am
ice will never melt ever in sub continent. we are the creation of hate not love and hate cannot be ended by hate but by love. i dont see any sign of love in this region.
Ordinary Indian Aug 16, 2012 04:10pm
If you are preparing for IAS it is all the more important that you remember peoples name correctly. Our former President name is APJ Abdul Kalam and there is no Asad in his name. All the best.
Kris Aug 16, 2012 04:10pm
What about the killings of shia muslims which happened today in Pakistan ? You seem to be an educated person. Do you have any explaination ?
UMMEHUMZA Aug 16, 2012 04:06pm
Nadeem Khan Aug 16, 2012 11:58am
Agreed, Dawn writers who are obsessed with Indians and the word Freedom of expression are trying to carve new history. Once they live with Indians they will realise the mindset. Pakistan was choice of millions of Muslims and they got it. Its one of the greatest achievement. Dawn writers can apply for Jobs in Times of India or a Gujrati News paper and let us know what happended with them
Kabeer Das Aug 17, 2012 04:39pm
Mr. Nadeem Khan what according to you was the population of Hindus in early Pakistan? Was it less than 1.7 percent and now it has increased to a phenominal 1.7 percent? There is no denying the fact that despite allegations of persecution, Muslims numbers have increased substantially in India? Persecuted minorities don't grow in numbers, instead they decrease, as it is happening with Hindus in Pakistan.
uday Aug 15, 2012 03:03pm
agreed india muslims have the freedom to break amar jawan jyothi and easily get away....what a shame!!!
Jamshed Khan Aug 25, 2012 07:38am
Partition was not such a bad idea, in fact an excellent idea, considering the state of Muslims (and other minorities) in India. It is just that we have a made a complete mess of our beautiful country.
Nadir K. Durrani Aug 15, 2012 02:32pm
4th generation is growing up in Pakistan, all they know is they have a country which one time was part of this subcontinent and.Across the border is another country, India. We as Pakistanis have written our history after 1947. 65 years is a long time and we would like to close the chapter that Muslims & Hindus could have lived together.Those wanting going back to India, let them approach Indian High Commission in Pakistan & see if it works out.
SAMAR Aug 15, 2012 02:25pm
I agree 100%
Zimbo Indian Aug 15, 2012 02:26pm
Do you know that at present the Indian Army Chief is a Sikh (Bikram Singh), Indian Air Force Chief is Christian (NAK Brown), Indian Defence Minister is a Christian (AK Antony), Indian Prime minister is a Sikh and the Super Prime Minister is a Christian (Sonia Gandhi). Can minorities of Pakistan even think of rising to such levels?
Robert Aug 15, 2012 02:22pm
Work together as if partition never occurred. It is easier said than done. However, nothing is easy. Start a million mile march by taking the first step. Dont know how to do it ? Recruit me: I will lead you.
Pman Aug 15, 2012 02:20pm
No doubt India has its problems with minorties. However we do our best to protect them. There are horrible instances like Gujrat and in most cases there are Hindus fighting along with the Muslims in court.. But you are hardly in a position to claim that Pakistan has treated its minorites with dignity. A country that has a minority left can talk about other countries. When you have etnically cleansed your minority that statement is just hollow.
Expatriate Indian Aug 15, 2012 02:19pm
A very cogent argument by Shahid. There are approximately 500 million Muslims in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh combined (Source: CIA Factbook). That's a quarter of the world's Muslim population. This population is today divided into three geographical entities and clearly does not have the same clout as what it would have had as a single bloc. Moreover, a population of 500 million is not a pushover -- any Hindu majority in undivided India would have had to make concessions and share power equitably with half a billion people!
Ali Aug 15, 2012 01:49pm
Very interesting, most positive and optimistic comments from Pakistanis but not from Indians-maybe a few. Lets start by creating love and spread love from ourselves and wait what happens. Lets be positive toward each other.
Arvind Aug 15, 2012 01:25pm
Very true dear,
Ben Aug 15, 2012 12:04pm
Born an brought up outside India,and having numerous friends from Pakistan I am suprised at how much religion has influenced the people.I donot know if its the upbringing or the religion itself,but it is really suprising that even the most highly educated Pakistanis look at all things through the prism of religion.Why dont people realise that Islam originated and spread from the middle east.It was mostly propogated in our subcontinent through force.All most all the regions in Pakistan were under Hindu kings generations before.Hinduism generally is a religion of peace,but I guess what led to the lack of unity of the people of that time were the different classes and the luxurious life styles of upper caste people.When the invaders came they defeated and forcefully converted people.We were all one people.If the British would have had policy of religious conversion may be half of PAkistan and India would have been Christians.
razzmazz Aug 15, 2012 12:00pm
With over 200 million Muslims in India at close to 20% of the population, India is anything but a Hindu homeland - we would have been happy as you suggest if Partition had been real and complete for Indians too as it has evidently been for Muslims of Pakistan. Aug 15, 2012 10:39am
Hindus attack Muslims whenever they get opportunities.
kanak Aug 15, 2012 11:54am
The partition of British India is a reality and the way it was handled and the wars between India and Pakistan have made relations between the countries frosty may be for ever. The people who moved in 1947 did not do so with all their relatives and thus took the risk of missing relatives in the country of their choice.One can only sympathise with them but then it was the folly of people to leave their country of residence where they were settled. It was Eldorado that did not materialise for the people who moved both countries were set on war course.
Wiki Aug 15, 2012 11:53am
Same here in pakistan Bro
varinder abrol Aug 15, 2012 01:32pm
Good article.
Kaly Aug 15, 2012 11:11am
Sorry to say, some of your community feels Arabs as their ancestors..
Kaly Aug 15, 2012 11:08am
You succeeded by making non existence of minorities in Pakistan but India is paying heavy price of so called secularism.
kaly Aug 15, 2012 11:05am
100% true...
Omer Aug 15, 2012 01:38pm
Hindus are in real minority in Pakistan compare to muslims in India so there is no comparison, please compare apples with apples for your analysis. Just ask some Indian muslim players like ZAK that how hard it is to play for India for a muslim guy compare to Hindu and you'll understand the story.
LieX Aug 15, 2012 01:39pm
This logic that Muslims cant live in a Hindu majority nation is proven wrong by time. In fact, India has almost as many Muslims as there are in Pakistan. To my knowledge, there are over-represented in Bollywood and under-represented in politics (excluding proxy representation) and equi-represented in fields like judiciary offices. What Jinnah wanted was a more breathing space for Muslims and what Liaqaut Ali did was creating more religion-based constituency. People who chose to be with Pakistan did so on Jinnah;s words and not of Ali. That was something unfair in the whole deal.
wiseman Aug 15, 2012 10:41am
Stop these hate comments. Why dont you all understand that the British divide and rule policy had sowed the seeds of all hindu-muslim problems in the sub-continent. Before this we all peacefully co-existed Please direct all your hate comments for the Bristish.
Madan Aug 16, 2012 03:32pm
I have experienced these pains personally but I am going on with my life without hatred and malice against any body.I had to work to support the siblings at the age of 12 years.I am friendly with people around the world.
SAMAR Aug 16, 2012 02:07pm
Numbers and comments from majority of indians proves Pakistan was necessary.Accept it by heart and move on hum idher khush aap udher.
Deepak Talwar Aug 16, 2012 12:41pm
In India we very rarely get to see any articles on partition in our newspapers. Yes the trauma and blood letting of partition was a terrible thing, but for God's sake it happened 65 years ago ! So you have to move on. I see no point in re-living the horrors of partition.
Nadeem Khan Aug 16, 2012 11:54am
I think you get these statistics from home? Right when Hindus were 22% in Pakistan?
Nadeem Khan Aug 16, 2012 11:52am
You will not see positive comments from Indians as they are biased to the core and Hindu fundamentalist, Pakistan is a creation of the same mentality. To see Positive comments from Indians you need to live for 200 more years.
NRI Aug 16, 2012 11:46am
Good article! Let's not go in If's and But's. Let's look at undeniable facts unbiasedly. The fact is that Pakistan is today counted amongst the worst nations in many aspects. Something has gone seriously wrong with Pakistan after partition. And it's not religion or Muslims because Bangladesh isn't facing the crisis that Pakistan is facing. I think there is no difference between people, whether Hindus or Muslims or anyone else. That nemesis is religious extremism. Pakistan of today is more fundamentalist than ever, more any most Muslim countries. At the other end of spectrum (the most successful) nations, religious extremism is almost non-existant. It seems the more religious extremist a nation becomes the more it is doomed. India fared better because somehow people have so far resisted giving in to religious extremism. Of course there are exceptions but they are most localised and do not affect the entire society. The more one leans toward religion, the more problems it creates. In fact if you take out religion from the world, most problems would not be problems anymore. And we would all be living happily together peacefully.
Qudsi Aug 16, 2012 10:07am
All of those Pakistanis who wrote in the favor of meretricious india, You will no other than Burmese Muslims if you haven't got independence. A quote from my urdu article "My mother who is not educated, She does not even know where Burma is located, but she feels their pain just as Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon Him, said "All Muslims are one body if only one part is hurt whole body suffers "(Sahih Muslim). I heard her saying "Thanks Allah's and Baba Qaed e Azam (Jinnah) for giving us free state from hindus"
R C Desai Aug 16, 2012 10:02am
Can we not overcome past and live peacefully like good neighbours? but then textbooks in pakistan oozing posoin and hatred against Hindus will have to be changed!
Abd-Ul-Haseeb Manghi Aug 21, 2012 12:44pm
Hmm It Sounds interesting But In Reality They can't Be One As Both Countries Have Their Religious Extreme People Though a Union Of South Asia Could Be Achieved Like Others ,For Instance The European Union :)
Rashter Sharma Aug 26, 2012 08:08am
Thankyou for your kind and open invitation. Insha-alah I will be visiting Pakistan soon. My father told me that we lived in Chinyot Bazar, very close to the Ghentaghar (the watch tower). He was working as Labur Officer at Layalpur Cotten Mill. Our family was lucky enough to escape the pain of partition without loss of life. Regretably, far too many have paid a heavy price for the ideals of "the land of pure". Soon after moving to Jalandhar, we settled in a home vacated by a muslim family. I often wonder, what happed to that family? How do they feel about leaving their home? Where have they settled now and do they miss their home? I am inspired by the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, played at the 2012 Olympics I also have a keen desire to visit Monjodaro and Harapa, the seat of Vedic civilization. With lots of love (muhabat) - a Hindostani Living in Canada
concerned. Aug 25, 2012 01:22am
It is fortunate that there is some people to people contact between India and Pakistan without the official minders. This may be the begining of maybe something more concrete down the line, how can a exchange of ideas ever be a bad thing? To answer your unasked question on why Indians come onto Dawn? India's future cannot be separated from Pakistan's. What happens in Pakistan politically will eventually have an impact on India. There are irrational nutjob's on both sides but the truth is that a financially secure and politically mature Pakistan with less religious fundamentalism would be the best thing for the ordinary people of both countries. It may not benefit those in power openly or behind the scenes. So keep an open mind. I live and practice medicine in California but grew up within 100 Km of the border in Punjab. I grew up in the 70's and 80's with Pakistan as the "enemy", but have many Pakistani friends in the US and now know better. Khuda Hafiz, Rabb Raakha and Sat Sri Akal may be from different mouths but they convey the same meaning.
layalpur Aug 24, 2012 11:13pm
You are welcome anytime. Please come to your city. It always welcome its lost sons and dauthers. Love from Layalpur.
Rani Sharma Aug 15, 2012 09:16am
Although at that time non-Muslims opposed Partition, now they believe it was good thing. The non-Muslims in in what is now India. Muslims and non-Muslims have never lived in harmony unless non-Muslims live as inferiors to Muslims and that is just superficial harmony. The very nature of Islam is that of one-upmanship. That Islam and Muslims are better than everything else. What is bad is that Partition has not been completed. The Muslims of what is now India were the most fervent supporters of the break-up of India. But when they got what they had violently fought for they refused to go and had Nehru and Liaqat Khan orchestrate a Pact that forbade autoamtic migration of Muslims to Pakistan. Pakistan very efficiently carried out a near complete ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs. The minute Pakistan or Bangladesh fare better than India they will raise the bogey of another Partition. India was never meant to a Hindu country. It was to be a secular non-Muslim country. And the sooner Muslims leave for their beloved pakistan the better off India will be.
Anwar Amjad Aug 24, 2012 04:40am
Too belated pain of partition. This article is half a century too late.
Humanity must rule the World and not religion Aug 15, 2012 10:17am
Ahtasham, a major correction to what you said about the rights of Muslims in India and I think two basic facts are enough to burry your lack of knowledge: 1. India is the only country where muslims are provided with free Holy Haj trip to Mecca and Madeena. Pakistan does not have any such schemes for other religions, forget Islam alone, so you better know the reality before you speak. 2. India (We) are a nation of more than 100 billion people who are proud to have the best and respected (muslim) president Dr APJ Abdul Kalam. Do you even have a single Hindu as a President or Prime Minister? So who is hypocrite now and non-secular? At the same time if in the name of religion, someone tries to mess around,they would not be spared, but burnt alive into ashes. Stop making abrupt and meaningless comments.
prat2905 Aug 15, 2012 10:22am
Ice will never melt . Both countries have corrupt Media and Govt . They will be indulge in misguiding people .
raman Aug 15, 2012 12:36pm
Nehru has done a great disservice to muslims residing in pakistan saying that Muslims can stay back in india. Some muslims staying back in india, has literally destroyed the basic idea of forming a state where cohesive mixture of intellectually, socially varied groups of muslims could have contributed in much more positive manner by migrating to pakistan. Imagine salman, shahrukh, APJ abdul kalam, Amir khan forming part of Pak society. Atleast it would have given perfect admixture of ruling-working classes.
Rajeev - 1 Aug 15, 2012 01:55pm
Hello Friends!!! I read this article and follow-up comments with great interest. No surprises there, you can see so many Indians blaming Muslims for the Partition and spiting the venom of hatred for Indian Muslims of current generation. Similarly, Pakistanis are demanding equal rights for Indian Muslims at par with majority community of India, without even hinting the current state of affairs of minorities in Pakistan. It is always easy to blame others but difficult to see their point of view. Friends, please read the book written by one of the greatest leader of pre-partition era Maulana Abul Kalam Azad. Try this link to download a free PDF After reading this book, I will let you draw your own conclusions. But, I was disappointed and felt let down by the great leaders of that era. It was a moment of unparallel significance and probably you may not find too many in the history of entire humankind. But, our leaders blew it. Some of them compromised on the basic ethos of freedom. Some of them even fell worse and their personal priority took over. I guess now I am blaming too.
Rajeev-2 Aug 15, 2012 01:56pm
My take on the Indian freedom movement: Purely driven by elites of that era to safeguard elite interest. It is more so true for the movement of Pakistan and for the leaders of Muslim League. Congress gave up to the hooligans of Muslim leagues. Jinnah found himself beholding Pakistan still wondering if it was really true. There was no vision or planning and partition just happened - as if some one woken up middle in the night, found himself on the street and wondering how the hell he reached here and where shall he go now. It was very painful experience for millions who for none of their faults got victimized in every possible way. Can we learn something out it and be little wiser? Can we have some trust and respect for Muslims in India and some tolerance for Hindus in Pakistan?
Krish Aug 15, 2012 12:45pm
Excellently put, Faisal Saab ! But your conclusion " For God's sake,there were millions who wanted their own homeland..." may be correct only for the highly-charged atmospherics of that time. Your question today, should be re-framed as : Would all the teeming millions of ordinary people in the sub-continent, been better off today after 65 years, with better access to health-care,water resources, housing, education, food security, and so on, had events transpired otherwise, irrespective of their religious affiliations, if any ? This newspaper is giving space to all considered opinion, and this is what you term as "pro-democracy media" should be about, rather than one that is muzzled.
Munnabhau Aug 15, 2012 01:01pm
Partition was good for Pakistan. Imagine the minority issues India already has and mulitiply it with atleast 50 times. Before you start going nuts and tell me about the minority issues in pakistan you should know minorities in Pak never has been targeted for violence and destruction by the goverment. It is usually small mobs, gangsters or a local partime socalled politician whom does so. While in India the goverment countless times sent troops to take on minorities....
Nishan Antaal Aug 15, 2012 01:21pm
For everyone's knowledge "Biggest sufferers of partition were the Sikhs" who were very rich in present day Pakistan and were holding biggest farming lands. But when they moved to Indian got nothing because land holding laws.
shamim iqbal Aug 15, 2012 07:08am
The ice is melting now.Hope for the best
zoxo100 Aug 15, 2012 07:22am
The partition is wrong. Pakistan gained Independence from the British Empire. In actual fact , the inital proposal was to have all the different nationalities as seperate countries with a lose voluntary parlimanent in Dehli which any cou ntry could leave if it so wanted , a bit like the european union. when the Nehru and his clique rejected that then the map of pakistan and India were drawn up. Pakistan included, Hyderabad deccan, the north of what is now India right up to assam but the British in cahoots with Nehru and congress kept cutting it down until the famous words of Qaid-e-Azam, 'better a moth eaten pakistan, then no pakistan'. All of muslim and mughal culture, heritage and intellect would have formed part of pakistan. Just look at the injustise of indian occupied kashmir and you will see the fallacy of India. several more countries should have been given independence from india in 1947. Had Nehru and group be decent human beings nad true democrats they would have listened to the people and accepted friendly independence rather than the politics of communalism which led to so much bloodshed and mostly of the muslims. But thank God for pakistan.
shamim iqbal Aug 15, 2012 07:31am
The ice is melting.Hope for the best
Devil Aug 15, 2012 07:43am
Yes, we too thank God for that ;-)
ajay Aug 15, 2012 07:57am
very topical piece, zuha. please put a urdu audio too.
Faisal Aug 15, 2012 08:01am
I fail to understand the motive behind article after an article laying out the pain and suffering of people caused by the 1947 partition. Someone can't meet their relatives across the border, some has fallen victim to loneliness, others miss the cultural beauty and trade across the borders. The tension between the two nations is portrayed as a result of the event (partition). However, what is completely missing and is the question to ask is what was in store if the partition was not chosen as a solution. Any logical comparison should try to contrast the two, possibly rolling back the reel to those times and what prompted people to ask for freedom. For God's sake, there were millions of people who wanted to have their own homeland, who risked every thing they had and gave every drop of their blood to win this freedom. It was always a choice between two evils and a majority, very democratically, chose one option for them. Why this pro-democracy media suddenly turns a blind eye to this --- because it does not fit the bill?! And the events that unfolded after this choice were not solely a result of their acts alone. As a newspaper, pleaae do not just keep pushing one thing down the throats of your reader.
Rishi Aug 15, 2012 08:02am
As always muslims are paragon of virtues. Look at your Pakistan. It should have been a model muslim state. One can understand a hate filled India due to its religious diversity and hence room for polarization but the opposite is true. More muslims are killed by fellow muslims and Pakistan is a greatest example of a nation going down the drains. Pakistan has no moral authority over Kashmir and sorry, we will never let another partition. All Indians are one and we are proud of all our religions and its diversity.
Amir Aug 15, 2012 10:35am
Britishers have done injustice wherever they have ruled. They have done the same in middle east where they carved Israel out of Plaestine and here they carved Pakistan out of India. Both Palestinians and Indians are suffering since. Atleast palestine have no Jews left where India has more muslims and pakistan at the moment. Pakistan have managed to kill all Hindus and now muslims are killing muslims. More people are killed in one city of Pakistan than whole of Kashmir .Terrorists and hardliners still keep attacking India with the help of some disgruntled muslims in India. Other coutries like east and west Germany, Vietnam etc united but there is no hope of India-Pakistan unity. Pakistan which was carved out has totally changed and no Indians will accept it to be united with India again as it is more of liability than the asset.
dude Aug 15, 2012 08:06am
partition could have been very very good if all the muslims from India went to Pakistan and all the Hindus from pakistan to India. that could have been a perfect religion based partition. India has to deal with both the enemies, enemy within(some traitor muslims who are multiplying like a virus) and Pakistan.
Immigrant Patriot Aug 15, 2012 08:19am
Whatever other cases are I just have to point out that it was not a partition, it was the birth/independence of Pakistan.
Sachin Aug 15, 2012 08:24am
He says the "fallacy of India" -- what about the real fallacy that is Pakistan itself -- the Pakistan; that was punctured in 1971 and conclusively debunked and disproved the fallacious nature of the so-called "Two Nation Theory"! And before you speak of so-called "inustices" to Kashmiris, you must take a look at far worse injustices to the people of Balochistan and other places right across whatever remains of Pakistan. The fact is that Pakistanis continue to do so tear up the country from within. Yet it is astonishing to find people in Pak even today continuing to live in denial of all this, and dream on along the fictitious "Mughalistan" lines. People like this are the chief impediments of peaceful relations between our countries. Grow up dude, and get a life! And yes, thank God indeed for Pakistan -- for it was important that India had to filter out the unnecessary and harmful bits out of its system so that it may one day be on the way to becoming a powerful nation state (which it finds itself today) certainly by comparison to Pakistan. On the note I say: Happy ID to all "sane and normal" bros and sis of Pakistan!
aybis Aug 16, 2012 08:38am
ya okay, cool story bro.
Rashid Sultan Aug 15, 2012 08:25am
My friend you are living within your own warped mind. Unfortunately, Jinnah created Pakistan 65 years ago. And what a big mistake it has proven to be. Today, Pakistanis have consumed almost all common sense, decency, tolerance, peaceful coexistence and human rights. As you harp on about religion, which seems more important to you than humanity, let me set the record straight for you: Jinnah was hardly a Muslim in thoughts or habit. Like 99.9% of all Pakistanis today, his antecedants (including his Grandfather) were Hindus and Buddhists. But religion should not figure in the argument of nationhood. It is the diverse pluralistic societies that are strong, tolerant, caring and successful. There is violence of the worst sort in our country. Bombings, murders and mayhem every day in Karachi and other parts of the country. The silent majority have been rendered totally dumb by threats of violence. Minorities are victimised and perpetraters protected by unjust laws in the name of Islam. The economy is in tatters. The nation survives on hand outs from the USA and charities. Stable, democratic and accountable governance is unknown to our citizens. Corruption is rife. Need I go on? God help Pakistanis!
harkol Aug 15, 2012 08:28am
Partition perhaps was necessary, considering the amount of bad blood that had taken place between Hindus and Muslims. It is better to divorce than be in a unhappy marriage. However, the partition was mishandled. It needed to happen over a period of 10-12 years, with clear structures for migrations and resettlement to be provided. It needed to happen such that there was least violence. Hopefully, we will not have any more countries to be formed in this region for a long long time. Every new nation forged results in massive violence - Not worth it.
Khan-of-Dir Aug 15, 2012 08:54am
I am sick of the word "Partition" instead of "independence" ,now even used by our own media, shame
Ram Aug 15, 2012 08:59am
If your brother gets separated with his share of property , will you call it partition or independence
AMIT Aug 15, 2012 09:22am
tinku Aug 15, 2012 09:27am
i think your conclusions are wrong...i don't think there were this many problems between hindu and muslims before partition... there are more problems now.. there are more muslims in india then in pakistan .. In order to avoid extremes... i would say Muslims in India are better off then Hindus in Pakistan .. the reasons for partition were pure and simple ... It was Nehru and Jinnah ...both wanted to become PM ..and their power struggle led to this terrible chapter in our history. Blames should go to both of them ..
Feroze Khan Aug 15, 2012 09:27am
Why don't we all agree that Islam & Hinduism are based on two different ways of life. 95% population in pre-partition India were strict followers of respective religions. Hindus enjoyed a brute majority, Muslims would not live as minority. Communal conflicts, roits would have been inevitable. Sooner or later we would have seen dozens of MLOs(Muslim Liberation Organization or Muslim Liberation Movement). United India would have been facing blood baths every day. Let us be happy that both Muslims & Hindus have their own homelands.
Shahid Aug 15, 2012 09:29am
The fact that a small country like Pakistan have had developed so much with such less resources is commendable. The potential is there and will always be but if it was one nation under one country imagine the possibilities. Anyway, what’s done is done, let’s hope to make Pakistan a better place, away from all prejudice and may we save it with its dignity, else we don’t deserve it quite honestly. I am of different opinion here, being a Pakistani and also lived abroad, I came to this conclusion that partition should not have happened, my personal view of course, I was not present at that time, nor i have any intention now seeing it reverting back, as that would cause another bloodshed. There are many reasons for reaching to this viewpoint. I will try to make few statements below:
Shahid Aug 15, 2012 09:33am
1. Living outside Pakistan, and being friends with both Muslims and Hindus/Sikhs/Christians from India, I really believed in humanity, there is no issue at all at people level, at least for this generation. Our opinions, biased or not is based on historical facts, yet we do not have any personal issues that we can't co-exist. I feel my origin or race will never change, it will always remain Indian. Yes religion is Muslim and proud of it, but that does not make me European or American or Chinese for that matter.
Shahid Aug 15, 2012 09:34am
2. Present conditions of Pakistan need also to be looked from the same perspectives, without going into emotions, what Pakistan today stands is because of being cut from the main stream India. I would have accepted the partition if it was so simple as to collect all Muslims along with their land into one location, but honestly it did not and could not have happened like that, and certainly not an excuse to say if it has happened along those lines, it would have been a better partition. You can’t divide "one race" into multiple countries based on difference of religion. I believe together as one nation with all the same issues we had before partition, would have been a better option.
Shahid Aug 15, 2012 09:34am
3. It was a political move, Qaid-e- Azam (Jinnah) would have agreed to give up concept of Pakistan with Gandhi in the last meeting , at least that’s what I read and would be part of one India, if his concerns and objections for an equal rights to be given to Muslims in the government. Lucknow pact was one example but it was not respected. This is not something new, every nation has to address concerns of its people and if there were concerns by muslims of india, it should have been handled swiftly then. Many of my Indian friends do share the belief that it was the arrogance and stubbornness of Nehru that had to do more with the partition then the demand of Muslims at that time to ask for another country.
Shahid Aug 15, 2012 09:34am
4. Even if you allow me to be biased for an argument sake, dividing one portion of a race along religion such that its strength (Muslims) are also divided in between two countries, is like a conspiracy to never let Muslims take back the rule of India from British, and it has happened exactly as planned. Had this not done, Muslims would have been much better (as opposed to so called propaganda in our books that we were beaten and treated badly). Cases of Gujarat could have never happened as there would be a balance of power. There was a speech from abu kalam azad which actually depicts the same situation we are in. Pakistan is not safe from pakistanis and muslims in india have been subjected to atrocities because of the partition and are sometimes looked upon as third grade citizen and their loyalty is subjected to doubt
tinku Aug 15, 2012 09:35am
you must be happy now with what pakistan you have now... India is happy as you are their shield to talibans and unruly west ... enjoy the drain ... i hope you somehow survive to see where India will be in 20-30 years from now..
Ahtasham Aug 15, 2012 09:38am
Partition is good and we know that Muslims has no single rights in India. See now a days Mumbai problems. How Hindus Police and Agencies are treating with Indian Muslims and killing them like in Gujrat bloodshed . This is shameful act by Indian government... So Sad...
tinku Aug 15, 2012 09:51am
Dude ...Muslims are in India have all the rights ..think about this ..the Mumbai problems you are talking about... they were holding demonstration against the atrocities on muslims in Myanmar ....and then they started torching cars and vehicles ... anyway .... can Hindu in Pakistan even gather togather for a meal ..not really ..
Roh Aug 15, 2012 09:53am
dear zoxo100, u said -'All of muslim and mughal culture, heritage and intellect would have formed part of pakistan'. where did these people come from? they were invaders to hindustan as well once upon a time. if u think invaded land should belong to the respective culture then all of pakistan and half of afghanistan should be hindustan when buddisim was thriving in that region(where budda hailed from a hindu family) and those mohanjodaro and harrappa cultures which predates the islamic empires which are now part of pakistan are hindustan. Also half of the whole world should have been british as they invaded it. Its all about the truth and a good peak in to the past.
prat2905 Aug 15, 2012 10:21am
Its a sad statement . Muslim don't have rights in India. Well Are you Indian . Now Listen we Indian love Indian Muslim (Except those who eats In India and play for Pakistan ) . And leave Indian Muslim ..We even respect good Pakistani People . We have given alot of top notch post to Muslims ...countless but how many Hindus lives in pakistan getting good top notch post like ( President ) . I know its dream for those petty Hindus in Pakistan they should move from there 1947 because some people don't know how to respond towards humanity .
Hjk Aug 15, 2012 03:32pm
I know your nature and your false tongue very well son. What india has done to Pakistan has not gone unnoticed. Your chankia mind enabled your state to back stab Pakistan from Afghanistan. Since 1947 we have gained a lot of experience dealing with snakes like you.
Hjk Aug 15, 2012 03:36pm
pack your bags and move to india son. We are proud of Pakistan and consider Jinnah THE Quaid e Azam for this millat.
Hjk Aug 15, 2012 03:47pm
Obviously when it comes to Quaid e Azam your iq is that of a broken pencil. If you do not have the slightest idea of Mr. Jinnah's life, the ideology and identity of Pakistan, then kindly keep your views to yourself instead of spreading disinformation.
Sal Aug 15, 2012 03:49pm
I dont agree what you said.Jinnah was dying man and he died within few months of partition. He was not interested in becoming PM of India or Pak. Pak was made cos of majority of muslims of India wanted to create Pak and Jinnak didnt fool the masses of muslims of India. Parition could have avoided..had Nehru/Congress accepted Cabinet mission plan.
SAMAR Aug 15, 2012 03:50pm
I think most of us agree partition was wrong and why it happened and became necessary we differ. President of INC at that time Maulana Abul kalam azad,one of the most popular and respected leader by muslims and non muslims,signed an agreement with Jinnah to give up the idea of separate land for indian muslims Later when presidensy of INC went to Nehru every thing changed (most recent Jaswant singh's book and many previous books including maulana's).Result partition of India and the sufferings.
Azizi Aug 15, 2012 03:54pm
It was Independence from Hindu and British atrocities on Muslims. That is the reason it is called Independence and Freedom.
Azizi Aug 15, 2012 03:58pm
"India (We) are a nation of more than 100 billion people" And your math is good too...since there are less than 7Billion people in the whole wide World. Lol.
AliKhan Aug 15, 2012 04:11pm
Never heard of Czechoslovakia. It got partitioned without a single drop of blood being shed. Canada would have been partitioned without violence if the referendum in Quebec had succeeded. Now Scotland may break away from Britain if the referendum is successful. You can bet there won't be any violence.
AliKhan Aug 15, 2012 04:16pm
USA invaded and grabbed California,Arizona and Texas from Mexico that are now part of the country. You won't mind applying for green card. The concocted theories go only so far.
musadiq Aug 15, 2012 04:19pm
you are right, we still have time we would not be too far behind if we can get our leadership on right track; perhaps from " educated class ". All indians should help . . A better and powerfull pakistan who can defend itself is better for India for subcontinental security. Leave the past behind learn how to put things where we dont have to fear from each other. If indian leadership is wise they should read in between the lines ( grey area......... Afganistan) Read the history for last 200 hundres plus years and dnt forget East india company's role and recent western role in subcontinental. I am sure west is there for a reason. Go figure yourself !
AliKhan Aug 15, 2012 04:31pm
"India (We) are a nation of more than 100 billion people" The entire population of the world is 7 billion. Where these additional 93 Billion are hidden in India?
shiraz Aug 15, 2012 04:41pm
you're a typical indian ignorant mindset. not surprised.
Nabarun Dey Aug 16, 2012 01:37pm
That is exchange of population, no partition.
abdul Aug 15, 2012 04:56pm
what r u talking? don't you know India has a Muslim population not lesser that Pakistan's total population? Where is their homeland?
Prashant Aug 16, 2012 10:55am
Hahahaha.. It means that in your opinion no Pakistani or Muslim can be rational thinker.
Singh Aug 16, 2012 10:53am
As it has laready been pointed out, the majority of the people in this subcontinent share near enough the same genetic identity. Unfortunately some hardline Muslim think tanks have propagated this myth that all Muslims and Pakistanis are the decendents of Bin Qasim, Mhd Gaznavi, Babar etc. In fact all these invaders were foreigners who originated either from the Arab world, Iran or Turkemenistan. Absolutely non of them originated from Pakistan. The closest invader was Mhd Shah Abdali ( 1761) who hailed from Afganistan. Its an utter lie and propanganda that Muslims ruled this subcontinent for 800 odd years. In south the Vigaynagar empire was there till 1646. The Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs etc never gave up and fought through out to get these invaders out. Though these military emperers were ruthless conquerers some like Akbar did try to adopt the cultural norms of this land. It would be therefore very important for all the religions of this land that most of us share that common conncection of thousands of years. It would be absolutely foolish to let religion dictate our sense of insight and future so much. Mature societies forgive and forget and move on.... Just see the example of Europe where they killed each other in millions but now stay peacefully under EU.
Ash Aug 15, 2012 05:47pm
This is plain assumptions my friend. They are what they are today only because they fortunately stayed back in India and got their good education in a cosmopolitan culture with great opportunities . They would not have been such successful and huge stars had their ancestors decided to migrate to Pakistan. Dilip Kumar would not have been such a huge star as there would have been no opportunities for him to display his talent in those c grade Pakistani movies. Same goes to others too. So please think when you write. Smell the coffee my friend.
p kumar Aug 15, 2012 05:49pm
don't forget to thanks arab for their generosity with pakistan my friend
Ash Aug 15, 2012 05:58pm
Dear Shahid Bhai Conditional love towards one's own country?? You think that is right ? If you agree on our 14 points only then will we stay as one country or we else we part !!. Mr. Jinnah would have not stopped his demands there had the congress agreed then . My friend in a secular nation nobody is above anybody. All must have equal rights. Muslims in India are much much better off than in Pakistan. Barring a few incidents we are happily together in harmony and progressing at a fairly good rate. Good luck to Pakistan.
@mandeepch Aug 15, 2012 06:19pm
yesterday i was listening a speech given by Mr. jinnah on 14 august 1947 in which he said '' In newly constructed pakistan , there is enough space for every religion, people are free to go to mosque or temple." it seems a very contradicted statement to me because a nation , which was demanded on the basis of religion, how can it will have tolerance for other faith.????
Shah Aug 15, 2012 06:40pm
only because of this hindu hatred towards muslims, muslims got separate country. i am proud Muslims of Pakistan.
im_0316 Aug 15, 2012 06:45pm
Reading comments here seems like i'm reading an indian news website.
S. A. M. Aug 15, 2012 06:52pm
Dear Raman, Please do not discredit Nehru. Had the leading personalities that you named had come to Pakistan they would not have been what they are today. May be they would be participating in the love hate arguments. Who is faring better and who is drowning. Some would say that we have reached at such a high level and that you are simply deteriorating continuously. There is a clear tendency that those that have achieved better results simply do not want to relate with the less fortunate ones. Where do we get by adopting this sort of aproach.
Faisal Aug 15, 2012 07:02pm
Yes, minorities have reached top positions in Pakistan. We recently had Rana Bhagwandaas as the chief justice of our supreme court. A zorostrian has also reached this post before.
viren Aug 15, 2012 07:05pm
Totally wrong. Pakistan ancestry contain Hindu, Buddhist, chinease, mongol and Greek, later came the Iranian ...
Arun Aug 15, 2012 08:09pm
What nonsense. The strength of a country is dependent on how well it tolerates different points of view. That is why the West has progressed as well as it has. The reason Pakistan is in the dumps is it has become monotheistic. Freedom is within the limits of Islam. I am not blind to the exploitation of Muslims by fellow Muslims through the use of Islam. Jinnah exploited Islam for his own benefit, but I would not get rid of Islam from India just to keep some bad apples away. I am proud of our Khan actors, Azim Premji etc. They are Indians and Muslims. That is how it should be. On the other hand, there were some Muslims who burned vehicles and injured policemen and women because they were exploited by Islamic extremist politicians. They need to be punished as per the law. Those Muslims are Indian but not the kind who make you proud. A dual policy of punishment and education may have to be followed. But to get rid of them is wrong and will harm India.
SHH Aug 16, 2012 10:58am
Still, it would be nice if we could restrict cross-border posting by Indians in Pakistani newspaper forums
dino Aug 15, 2012 08:55pm
you break their temples, destroy their culture, grab their land, make them slaves for a 1000 years, convert millions of them by sword and then dont expect them to hate you
Jay Aug 15, 2012 09:00pm
This mindset prompted Gandhi-Nehru-Patel nexus made Pakistan happen. If the Cabinet Mission Plan was allowed to be implemented by this trio, there would have been less pain in our sub-continent. One of the plan's main architect was Abul Kalam Azad & he did persuade Jinnah to accept it. INC also accepted it. But The moment Nehru took over as President of INC they backed-off from the plan. Now India, Pakistan & Bangladesh are reality. Let bygones be bygones and live in peace and harmony.
Baker Aug 15, 2012 09:55pm
I agree with you dude 100%... everybody to his or her own land based on Religion as this is what Muslims wanted in the first place....
Mohinder sandhu Aug 15, 2012 10:03pm
very very sad that you nurse this kind of thinking,I am born and brought up in melerkotla punjab my uncle rashid mohammed and my dad are business partners since 1961.Malerkotla is 50% muslim . When i was growing i never felt any difference muslims were and are part of our regular life, same thing i saw in lakhnow barreily faizabad rampur hyderabad ,all over india They are not traitors or extremists.Think of General israr khan who fought and lead his troops during operation blue star in amritsar.There are some rogue elements but those are in every community.
Tanveer Ahmed Aug 16, 2012 11:39am
Shame even after breaking of Pakistan into two. Pakistanis are so hypocrites. Still breaking up is on the card. A cowardly statement by any person is just " outside hand". Good Excuse.
SherePunjab Aug 15, 2012 10:56pm
But why Muslims are killing Muslims in Pakistan. All people like you are blind minded. A nation is a social, language, culture and many other factors. Punjabi, bengali, Gujrati are nations but not religious based. But in Pakistan curupt army, rulers and Mullas brain washed every one as it suits to them. Best is reunited Indian sub continent like EU or USA. Here in USA we Punjabis are more close to Pak Punjabis than Indians of other parts of India. It is due to common language, habits, social life and culture beside being of same race. So please do not spread hate for each other but love and respect to co exist and live peacefully.
SherePunjab Aug 15, 2012 11:11pm
Improve your knowledge Sir, India had three Muslim presidents, many chief Ministers of states, Generals in army, air force, navy and civil high officers. Can you mention one non muslim (Sikh or Hindu) having high office in Pak.Mahjab nahi sikhata aps mein bair rakhna, Hindi hey Humwatan hey Hindustan hamara.
innocent Aug 15, 2012 11:13pm
allaisa Aug 15, 2012 11:19pm
Check your facts. There was no brute Hindu majority before partition. If you add Muslims in India, Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh you would have found 55:45 in favor of Hindus which cannot be termed brute majority. That ratio has become practically 50:50 today because Muslims in general (except those in Bangla Desh after 1971) do not practice family planning.
jasus Aug 16, 2012 12:41am
yeah, and we learned from you pakistanis, and it is payback time for us
jasus Aug 16, 2012 12:50am
may be in your dream, but in reality the hatred is so deep nothing will work! you pakistanis started the hatred, and now Indians are paying back to you with no hope at all. Majority of Indians wants revenge of Mumbai attack and wants tit for tat response which can lead to another war!
Sahil Aug 16, 2012 12:58am
And the best part is in few years no minority will be left in Pakistan. And then no one will be able to blame that Pakistan is unjust to its minorities.
bam am Aug 16, 2012 01:24am
Separation of Church and State has to be absolute and compete in a democratic country. Pakistanis are obsessed with Islam.With convictions like that they can never have true democracy.
Hameed farahshah Aug 16, 2012 01:30am
These Hindus are ignorant and naive. India is not better than Pakistan. They were involve in the terrorism of 911
Zohaib Aug 16, 2012 01:56am
All these comments prove that we all just need a reason to fight. People should just grow up and accept the fact that whatever be we still are neighbors. spread love not hate, leave that part to the media and politicians...
Syed Aug 16, 2012 01:57am
Rashid, I am from pakistan and i could not have said this any better. well done!!!
Syed Aug 16, 2012 01:59am
no. Pakistan was a mistake in my opinion and i left pakistan years ago for the same reason.
Vasant Aug 16, 2012 02:03am
Very True
Sandip Aug 16, 2012 02:25am
No, absolutely incorrect. If that had happened, our India would have become a very very boring place. The different religions that flourish in India is precisely what make it so beautiful and different from Pakistan. If anything, we must learn from what Pakistan has done and how destructive it has become for their country. We must guard against such bigotry. As a civilization, our goal must be to make a better society by learning from others' mistakes, rather than making the same mistakes ourselves.
Sandip Khanna Aug 16, 2012 02:31am
Their homeland is India. India is the homeland of all of us, irrespective of religion, caste, creed or sect.
Shrikant Aug 16, 2012 03:36am
what is there to proud...u r proud of what??? Pakistan??? what is good about Pakistan??
Kamal Aug 16, 2012 03:59am
This one I will like to argue because I do not fully understand. In every country of the world, we are taught the following priorities - Your country first, then your family and so forth. In the Muslim world, the first thing they teach is - you are muslim first, then you are a pakistani, iranian, or jordanian, etc... That is the reason, muslims do not mind destroying their own country, their own people, their own women because they are secondary to religion. That is the reason a chechen, arab, or any muslim can fight in any other country in the name of allah. What are your thoughts on that... I like to know.
Indian Aug 16, 2012 04:06am
Hey dude just try to broaden up your mind and let real thoughts accumulate in it. Partition was never a good option but still if it did happen that's obviously sad. Today most of the south asian countries are facing some very grave problems and your dictatory thoughts would be of no use in providing a solution to that. I thank god that not all the muslims migrated to Pakistan during the partition otherwise we wouldn't have the likes of Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam Aazad and many more emminent muslims who have contributed greatly in the progress of India. I am preparing for IAS and my 2 teachers are muslims and I am proud to have them as my "Gurus". I know it's difficult for you to agree with me but not impossible if you just think it on humanitarian grounds. At your disposal for any futher clarification required. Your brother Indian
Kamal Aug 16, 2012 04:08am
Funny thing is that both religions teach 'love' and not hatred towards mankind.
Indian Aug 16, 2012 04:08am
Half knowledge is always dangerous my brother. First get it correct and then start commenting publicly on the newspaper's website otherwise you could be misleading the other's as well.....
Sanjay Aug 16, 2012 04:14am
Zebunnisa, "these Indians" are here because the internet is a borderless zone. And secondly since this article is about the partition of India they have every right to comment.
Indian Aug 16, 2012 04:15am
Hello my dear friend. You are not the custodian of Indian people and Government so please stop acting like the same . The real problem is not the Pakistan for us but the people like you who are down with "Hate" syndrome. Secularism is a jewel of India and if something wrong happens in the country, it should not be seen through the prism of secularism but due to the irresponsibility of security and administrative departments. Please stop posting so irresponsibily. Furthermore I am sorry if I hurted your sentiments but I couldn't stop myself from replying to you
saurabh Aug 16, 2012 04:17am
pakistan is their homeland
brookrad Aug 16, 2012 04:21am
Why would you M/Fs go and marry Paki and complain?. You know the situation and still do it and then complain. It is like walking into a wall continuously and complain about the bleeding. Stop complaining. If you marry pakis stay in Pakistan or somewhere else. Please don't bother about India.
Dipesh Lal Aug 16, 2012 04:26am
I agree with Rani. The fate of non-Muslims in Pakistan is miserable. Most would want to leave for India. And India should not hesitate one second to let them into India. India is not perfect but it is marginally better than Pakistan. Non-Muslims (specifically Sikhs and Hinuds) should be welcome back to India. Muslims may say Islam is the religion of peace but they have terms like Dar-el-Harb and Dar-el-Islam which conflicts the purported image of peace. There will be very little peace between Muslims and non-Muslims (all over the world) until and unless Islam undergoes a rational and reasoned transformation from medieval dogma to humanistic doctrine. I believe most Muslims want to leave in peace but they either are intimidated by the extremists or ignore the need for a spiritual jihad. Any progressive Muslim in a Muslim country is cowed by the extremists and must defend his rationality and reasoned thinking everyday from allegations of near apostacy or traitorism. I do hope (vainly i think) that Islam will flower and Muslims will take control of their faith from the maulanas and their agencies.
Qazi Aug 16, 2012 04:29am
i am just thinking what happens when the same Indians who grew up hating Pakistanis and Muslims so much become the Prime Ministers, Foreign Ministers, Interior Ministers and so and so forth in India, does that hatred just vaporize or does it translate into Government policies ??
saurabh Aug 16, 2012 04:30am
yes, tthe mumbai muslims even molested 2 women police, now in such case u cant expect police to react "peacefully" u?
Sup Aug 16, 2012 04:31am
hahaha are u kidding! the peoples whom u r naming got their respective position not only because of the ta3len3t they had but mainly due to the opportunities they got india. I guess we all know what they had been doing if they3 had been in paki3stan ....may be setting up a mosque a terror camp or a large probability is that they would have been dead by now bcoz of the frequency of terror attacks!........Apj kalam became scientist by studying in worldclass institutions in India.....he3 would have been a madarsa grad had he been in pakistan.....and about salman and srk they are there just bcoz of indian fan following and bollywood!
SB Puri Aug 16, 2012 04:32am
The violence in India's partition can be attributed to Jinnah's call for violent "Direct Action" which actually meant massacre of Hindus.
saurabh Aug 16, 2012 04:32am
"Super" Prime Minister ........he he
Ram krishan Aug 16, 2012 04:34am
correction ; 1 Billion people so far
human Aug 16, 2012 04:35am
Hindu don't hate Muslims, it is the opposite. I am quite sure all Muslims are getting fair trial in India in all matters. It is Muslims who somehow think non-Muslims are non-humans.
Ahsan Aug 16, 2012 04:51am
Well said bro.. but Alas..!! as always.. these hindus have never thot this way.. even after 65 years.. their thinking is same.. narrow minded.. always talks negative
Shankar Aug 16, 2012 05:03am
See how hateful and intolerant these messages are becoming. Frankly Indians seem to be outdoing the Pakistanis in spewing out venom. This is what religious bias does to arguments! Religions are the curse of mankind! They have resulted in so much blood-letting!
porkchop Aug 16, 2012 12:22pm
Even your God does not know how long Pakistan will survive if current trends continue??
Navin Aug 16, 2012 12:22pm
Wisely spoken Arun!
Krish Aug 16, 2012 05:15am
@Expatriate Indian: you are probably incorrect in describing it as " three geographical entities ", because geographically, it could still be considered as one. The right way to describe it as it stands today, is " three political entities ". This is why we have to agree with Gandhi today, that it was nothing but vivisection of the sub-continent, rather than partition. A loosely-knit federation based on linguistic lines rather than religion, would have worked better, certainly provided for the economic emancipation of the "millions" that you refer to., whatever religious affiliation they may have.
SHARMA Aug 16, 2012 05:16am
lets go for another but this time peaceful partition. anyone who willingly wants to go cross border for permanent residency should be allowed to do so on both sides. lets exchange people . send hindus to india and any muslim unsatisfied in india should be allowed to go pakistan without passport . just one simple application to PM or President should be good enough. they should be allowed to sell their property and immigrate on a simple application. why bother janta. stay cool. lets go for another peaceful exemplary partition with no blood shed.
Pakistani Aug 16, 2012 05:17am
Even after 65 years of partition, the comments from indians asking their patriotic Indian Muslims to leave India show their hatred to the Islam and Muslims... Alhamdolillah, we are proud Pakistanis. The situation would have been worse if this partition would not have happened giving us "independence" from this hindu hatred and british raj. Go deep into the facts, one would come to know that the outside forces that have found Pakistan as a land full of treasures with very important borders strategically are working actively to create law and order problems in Pakistan to weaken it.... "Dear Pakistanis... Unite against these forces... Our country is under attack as comments posted by outsiders show."
adeen Aug 16, 2012 05:20am
well India is also having same many problems in one way or the other be it corruption, victimizing minorities, terrorism, poverty, slums.....etc. Mr sultan problems are every where, the recent protest lodged by Muslim of India isnt the testimony of minority victimization there, the golden temple episode....babri masjid... etc. Nevertheless, the separatist moments and social problems in East India which is the one-third of total India geographically, is called as "RED CORRIDOR" including Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal states. on accounts of corruption, anna hazary's and baba ram dev calls, what does it signify? nothing to offend but to realize that problem are everywhere in every society so in countries. above mentioned problems are mutual. living with a typical mindset of superiority leads no where just adds hatred.
ANURAG Aug 16, 2012 05:24am
we didn't need to justify how secular we are, Do you know we are the only country in the world having Hindu president, Sikh prime-minister, Muslim wise president, and Cristian rural party president, Now finish with all the scrap & move on toward's future. And try to make it better place for all on the sake of huminity.
adeen Aug 16, 2012 05:32am
Pakistan even would not want to join India which continues to have radical narrative. which claims to be secular but victimization of minorities tells the other story. Muslims of Indian sub continent experienced the hindu rule in 1937 and miseries of muslim at the hand of hindu ministries was enough and decisive to strive for separate homeland. Problems are on both sides. but living in one's very own country with dignity and self identity is preferred.
Adam Aug 16, 2012 05:43am
Dear Dawn News, As if we don't face enough problems internally,why do you have to repeatedly bring up the old partition issue as to deliberately spark a debate between Pakistanis and Indians(yes I didn't say Muslims and Hindus because that is, after-all, incorrect in every sense) Us Pakistanis have been facing misery after misery since the inception of the 'Land of the Pure' it actually feels like each time we construct a whole building of playing cards,one of us selfishly blows it all down. On top of that you bring out the most sensitive issue regarding us and the world,next to Kashmir. How about you stop worrying about the minorities who have relationships across the border and instead focus on the (non-Muslim)minorities who are facing the wrath of this nation. Who knows that might make a difference here instead of an issue such as this,which won't come to light as long as Pakistan is a down trodden junkie. Respectfully yours, An avid reader
amit Aug 16, 2012 05:44am
Tell me the country or religion which doesnot have it. how many separate countries , exclusively for muslims will haveto be created? do they want an independent muslim planet?
Prasad Aug 16, 2012 05:45am
@ dude.. As an Indian I am extremely happy with the diversity that my country has. I would not want a mirror image of Pakistan here in India, with Hindus being the dominant force. Diversity is the factor that has given India the strength and color. I am sure 99% of India are proud of the pluralism that exists here. Societies progress in multi-culturalism whereas they stagnate otherwise.
amit Aug 16, 2012 05:48am
kudos, shahid. This is true indianhood. we indian consider all to be equal, islam is one ofthe way to visualise the existance of good. our indian root permit everyone to percievethe god whatever way one wants. there is no conflict. conflict is created by the people who have political ambitions. they survive only when there is division of humanity. common pertson is always victim of that tendency.
rakesh Aug 16, 2012 05:49am
normally Our muslim brother is very nice in india, they have modern thinking they do fellow their religion but do not have hard thinking like pakistani mullah which they used to say jihad or etc but its pakistani agenda who is contractor of all muslim world want to jihad type country. I have number of friend who is practicing muslim offer 5 time prayer, but have clean thinking even they are much polite than me, but some of element every society is not that good,
vicki Aug 16, 2012 05:56am
If Hindus had any hatred towards Muslims, they ( MUslims ) would not have prospered in India. India gave all kinds of honor, positions and patronage to it's muslim population. What has Pakistan given to it's Hindu minority? We have had Presidents, Vice Presidents ( the current one is a Muslim ), Governors, Defence Chiefs, Chief Justices, Chief ministers of states, even Hockey / Cricket captains, not to forget the Bolluwood stars like Yusuf Khan, Salman, Saif Ali, Aamir and Shahrukh. What do have to show? The persecution, forced conversions and rape of Hindu girls?
adeen Aug 16, 2012 06:00am
sorry to say what is the status of Muslims in comparison?
Shankar Aug 16, 2012 06:06am
Brilliant idea! How about a peace march starting in Quetta, Peshawar, through Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Ahmedabad, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Delhi, Amritsar, Kashmir, Lucknow, Patna, Calcutta, Dacca and Assam. Let all people for friendly relationship participate in it!
muhammad Aug 16, 2012 06:08am
long live pakistan don't care what anybody says or thinks
Ali Aug 16, 2012 06:08am
Your are not pakistani as well muslim
Varinder Aug 16, 2012 06:18am
I am writting a book "Unification of Indian-Sub Continent". I need your feed back. My e.mail address is Thanks.
miriam62batul Aug 16, 2012 06:26am
Briefly, If you will agree to be logical... Pakistan is undergoing the long list of negatives NOT because it was created to practice slam but it is so BECAUSE we failed to learn and practice Islam. God Help Humanity!! Condemn able, barbaric state of the World, in general..and homosexuality is being legalized!
imran Aug 16, 2012 06:34am
I was really surprised and shocked to see the comments from both sides with this mindset i don,t see the things like AMMAN KE ASHAA,will work.Its really very painfull for those who want to live like brothers on both sides of the borders .
Nafis Aug 16, 2012 01:04pm
Jinnah did struggle for Pakistan but not for the division or partition of India. He even accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan which was rejected by the Nehru wanted to go to the legislative assembly unfettered...It was actually the Congress not the whole congress, mainly Patel guided by British trained bureaucrat V. P Menon who designed the scheme of Partition... and later approved and imposed on Muslims or Muslim League. Other conservative Muslims, Hindus and even Gandhi and Azad were against it. Jinnah by Jaswant Singh provide us a good flashback in the history.
SecularIndian Aug 16, 2012 07:00am
Zimbo, you Also forgot to add that our vice president is Muslim( Mr ANSARI) This is the proudest aspect of us Indians, giving space to ALL religions. Of course there will be small problems once in few years, only to be sxpected in a multi religious , multi cultural land like India , but compared to all other countries with much less diversity, we are doing brilliantly! pakistan with one religion, 4 provinces and much less languages is seething at the seams! And much worse killing each other, even their own fellow religionists, at their own places of worship!
Brijesh Aug 16, 2012 07:04am
Silly to think in such simplistic ways. If all the Muslims did move to Pakistan, they would have found new divisions to fight over (Shia vs sunnis vs Ahmadiyas). Indians would have fought along caste lines or language lines. While there seems to be some hope for India, there is none for Pakistan at the moment.
N Kumar Aug 16, 2012 07:05am
Sir You are correct but this not applicable to all Pakistanis because people coming from there rarely take the Visa route they have other routes supported by their army
Shubs Aug 16, 2012 07:13am
"While in India the goverment countless times sent troops to take on minorities" Are you for real?
Ajoy Aug 16, 2012 07:16am
Brother Shiraz, it is not only the Hindus but people of all religions, for that matter, have started hating the Muslims.
hjk Aug 16, 2012 01:47pm
Please let us know when the Muslims converted you guys by force. If that were the case not even one hindu would have survived in a period of 1000 years. The job would have been done in 5 years let alone 1000.
Gran- ma Miriam Aug 16, 2012 07:25am
Can Hindus gather together for a meal? Please talk of FACTS... Do the HINDU TEMPLES in Pakistan, the Flourishing Hindu Businesses, the student scholarships, equal job opportunities.....DO THESE SPEAK OF ETHNIC CLEANSING OR TOLERANCE?
AAS Aug 16, 2012 01:25pm
Man! this looks more like Times of India comment section. Almost equal amount of hatred except the lingo's
Darshan Suyal Aug 16, 2012 07:33am
You broke my heart, i am 40 yrs old, probably this is the best para I have every read in my life. As Vivekananda has said long back, Muslims live like sheep when they are in minority but like a Lion when in majority, and can see anything else.
Rajeev Aug 16, 2012 07:33am
Is it just a Coincidence that the Population of Hindus in Pakistan has come done from 22% in 1951 to 1.7% in 2011 , meanwhile the population of Muslims in India has encreased in 9% in 1951 to 14% in 2011.
Ali Aug 16, 2012 07:37am
How true...the many problems in the world today are nothing but the result of Anglo Saxon mischief the world is seeing since almost 300 years!
A Bajwaa Aug 16, 2012 01:22pm
what is happening in pakistan now indicate basic defects in the muslim society. these are too tribal for any tolerance of progressive ideas, cultural or political. only a radical transformation of pakistan's economy can hold any promise of cultural progress. you just have to liberalise economy, society will get liberalized automatically.
Rajeev Aug 16, 2012 07:55am
The Reason for partition of India was not nehru or Jinnah but the absolute support of the muslims in the whole of India for Muslim league and Pakistan. In 1945-46 election muslim league won 30 of 30 seats for central election and 90% of the seat for provincial election. Congress contested 68 seats out of 492 seats reserved for Muslim out of which it won 23 seats and 19 seats were from NWFP. 100% of the muslims from the present India voted for Pakistan and muslin league.
Superraj Aug 16, 2012 07:58am
As if ancestors of all other Muslims would be Muslims. All Muslims will have ancestors who were Hindus... just try find out your own roots... you too would have some Hindu DNA or any other non Muslim
Kaafir Aug 16, 2012 08:04am
Get all the muslims from India and get a Mohajir Prime minister - than we will see who you will be proud of ?
Kaafir Aug 16, 2012 08:05am
Most of them..
Ans Rizwan Aug 16, 2012 08:25am
we love our Pakistan and never say these things.. we salute to all those who were helped in making Pakistan.
Ali Aug 16, 2012 08:39am
This is true for Aryans as well and for that matter same for Christianity.
aybis Aug 16, 2012 08:42am
pakistanis are resilient people. one hundred and eighty million of them. its a nation, not a plant. it will grow stronger as it comes out of this suffering created by regiments within as well as courtesy of our neighbours.
malaydeb Aug 16, 2012 08:57am
Their homeland is Pakistan. May be they were dozing while the bus left the station.
Mullick Hameed Aug 16, 2012 09:43am
In Fact Creation Of Pakistan Was Something Pre-mature. That's all.
Ahmad Khan Durrani Aug 16, 2012 09:53am
My Indian friends, blame Jawahr Lal Nehru & Walab Bhai Patel who wanted to impose their will on Muslims. We have a country with enormous problems but it is our country, we will come around and solve our problems. In the meantime, why don't you just hush up & blow away. We don't need your unsolicited comments..
Dinesh Aug 16, 2012 05:30pm
Given a choice Hindus from Pakistan would like to migrate to India, most have by now or have got forcibly converted. Given the same choice most Indian Muslims wouldn't even think of migrating to Pakistan ever. And that tell a lot about both countries and about majority community in both countries ….
Dip Aug 16, 2012 06:31pm
The Vice President is a muslim, got it now ?
sid Aug 16, 2012 08:18pm
You don't have to get paranoid, my Pakistani friend. The few comments you've seen here are not shared by the majority of Indians. We have learned to live and let live for many generations. Myself am married to a Muslim.
SKM Aug 16, 2012 08:20pm
They can say/protest whatever they want, they have the freedom of speech. You should by now understood the reasons why Islam is getting a bad name. Using religion with politics makes POISON..
Anjum Aug 16, 2012 08:51pm
We know, and let us silently get stronger again. Pak zindabad
faizan Aug 16, 2012 09:48pm
Mashallah faisal you are very right. It is matter of great concern that dawn news which was founded by the Quaid e azam is now portraying partition as a mistake. They forget that it was June 3rd plan for the partition. But nehru made it 10months earlier, just to cause problems for pakistan. They also forget that Quaid a azam accepted cabinet mission plan, only because even till the end he wanted to reconcile with Hindus.
Tazmin Nawaz Aug 16, 2012 09:53pm
I agree with Feroz Khan.
Imran Aug 17, 2012 04:53am
All are loosers in this Tragedy. Its not only the Sikhs, but Punjabis as a nation who are the biggest loosers. If East and West Germany can get United, one Day South and North Korea will be One Korea, why Punjabis, should be seperated. Its One Blood, One culture, One mindset. Long Live Islamic Republic of Khalistan
Akki Aug 17, 2012 04:58am
what r u? a medieval bigot...... i have a mental picture of yours!!!! narrow minded, non-productive person who just does not understand human relations.
abdul Aug 17, 2012 07:58am
But arabs do not feel any pain when they beat poor pakistanis and bangladeshi for being illegals in their country. All the flavour of ummah vaporises in the air.
Rashter Sharma Aug 17, 2012 05:27am
I am encouraged by the yearing of many, to have a better relationship amongst all people living on this this side of Hindukush Mountain. Our diversity of languages, music, poetry, food, and broadly speaking culture - bind us together. Regretally, the blood that was spilled during patrition is still staining the rivers of Panjab (five waters); perhaps it will take a while o clens itself from the mind of people. Though I was born in Jalandhar, I yearn to visit Layalpur one day, our ansestral home, where my father was born and had charished memories of his childhood. He was very fond of Urdu poetry of Galib and often recited Mohamad Iqbal - Saare Jahan Se Achah Hindostan Hamara. Call me a Hindostani Living in Canada
nandan Aug 17, 2012 05:44am
if Indian's have the same mind like pakistanis.... pak was l wiped out 5o years ago from world map. Indian's always want peace not piece
Proud Indian Aug 17, 2012 06:42am
Not correct, in fact India was never designed to be a Hindu State and the way our politicians are going, very soon India will also be a Muslim majority State.
Azhar Chaudhry Aug 17, 2012 07:41am
Hindus are superstitious, History shows that they had no mercy for Muslims in India. Evidence shows that Muslims were brutally murdered being minority in India. A secular British ruled state was responsible for killing of Mughal Kings and entire families with the help of Hindu wives of the Kings. That just not stopped there. More misery for the Muslims all over India before partition. Muslim leaders then demand ed separate Islamic State, where thy could be able to practice their religion freely without a f ear of being elimination. Muslims paid a heavy price for a separate homeland. The condition was to fight WWII for British and all Muslim battalions were forced to fight at front. British won a war but Muslim battalions were not called back deliberately to brutally kill as many Muslims as they could. My forefathers were brutally murdered by the Sikhs, who before partition never dared to pass by their Hawaelis. They suddenly came with swords and slaughtered the whole family.I admit that today unfortunately, Pakistan is a victim for fighting US war on terror and across border terrorism (non state actors) are playing role in demoralizing Pakistan. I am proud to be Muslim and proud to be Pakistani.At least I live my life with my own free will. Thanks ALLAH!
Azhar Chaudhry Aug 17, 2012 07:46am
Bad idea. We already have influx of infiltrators from India (non state actors) causing chaos and spreading terrorism.
Karan Aug 17, 2012 07:59pm
agreed.. Muslims in India are equal Indians!
karan Aug 17, 2012 08:05pm
thats a funny post..victim victim victim..his his his.
Silajit Aug 17, 2012 09:33pm
I'm sorry but this is "bakwaas". India is stronger as a country because of its diversity. Muslims are part of that diversity and are as patriotic as everybody else. A few bad apples shouldn't taint the entire bunch.
Mohammad B Khan Aug 19, 2012 03:15am
Yes minorities live like dead in pakistan,you cant sent the troops to kill the dead.Yes you can send troops for those who want to live ,our brave army did in Bangladesh
majid rehman Aug 21, 2012 09:31am
very good article
majidrehmanrehman Aug 21, 2012 09:33am
Pakistani Aug 21, 2012 03:28pm
What a nice discussion and intellectual discussion we are having here on this page. No pun intended what so ever. I am impressed by the intellect of non Muslims Indians on this form and I hope we as Pakistani Muslims also learn and open up our minds to various opinions. Islam to me is the only perfect religion in this world which allows all other religions to live and practice in the most peaceful manner. The ugliness that we see in Pakistanis today is because we are not following our religion but instead only our own desires. I pray that this nation wakes up.
Happy Aug 22, 2012 12:47am
Nishan: There were lots of Punjabi muslims who suffered too like both my parents families who lost all their lands and wealth, honor, lives and dignity
Guest Aug 22, 2012 05:40pm
Pakistanis are not ready for any unification so better we live as peaceful neighbours without interfering in each other's matters