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Going from love to love across the border

Published Aug 13, 2012 06:04pm


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“It is the land of vibrant colours, rich cultural heritage and beautiful women. The cuisine, nightlife, street art and architecture simply have no parallels. Oh my God! I am absolutely in love with India,” is how Mariam described her recent trip to one of my favourite countries in the world.

Mariam’s narrative reignited my passion to visit India and experience the joy in person, however, my happiness was marred when I realised that for me the Indian tourist visa remains unobtainable.

It is unfortunate that travelling restrictions deprive many Indians and Pakistanis to enjoy the rich culture and heritage of both the countries, however even these setbacks fail to deter people like myself from yearning for a day when it would be possible for Pakistanis and Indians to travel across the border without any limitations or restrictions.

Contrary to the image portrayed by politicians, media and groups with extremist views, the fact remains that a huge percentage of Pakistanis and Indians are extremely fond of each other’s respective cultural heritage, lifestyle and countries. These are also the people who are staunch advocates of relaxed visa policies between the two countries and support the notion that congenial ties will help in abridging the gap that exists between India and Pakistan.

According to a poll conducted by the Times of the India Group and the Jang Group, a hefty 72 per cent of the Pakistani population desires peaceful relations with India, whereas 60 per cent Indians show optimism about building better ties with Pakistan.

It is believed that a fairly large percentage of Pakistanis and Indians interact with each other and meet outside their native countries, whereas there are who have never met a Pakistani or Indian their entire lives. However, hospitality and amicability shown during limited interaction that the residents of both countries enjoy on official tours or even during emergency situations prove the love and respect we share for each other.

Every year many ailing Pakistanis visit India for medical treatments and return with successful treatments. The initial apprehension, if any immediately vanishes with the warmth exuded by Indians. Similarly, Pakistanis are also known to have jumped on every opportunity to appease Indians wherever and whenever possible.

In the beginning of July 2012, an Indian plane with 122 passengers on board made an emergency landing in Nawabshah, Pakistan. The Pakistani officials wholeheartedly offered assistance to facilitate and expedite the relief operation. The hospitality was hailed by the Indian media and triggered a series of positive comments from Indians and Pakistanis who wanted to travel and be able to enjoy each other’s company.

An Indian overwhelmed by Pakistani hospitality commented, “How much I wish to visit Pakistan! What a scene it would be to see Pakistani tourists coming to India on regular trips and visiting the exotic places of India. Just imagine, Indians spending summer vacations in Murree and Pakistanis enjoying the backwaters of Kerela!”

Though I have never visited India, the mere mention of Kerala makes me dream about the picturesque beauty of the state, historical temples, tempting food and ethnic dance performances.

Over a billion people continue to suffer because of a few fundamentalist groups, who do not want us to live in harmony because of their vested interests, political power and influence. And the question remains: what does a common Pakistani or Indian have to do with decisions being made by the upper echelon of state politics? Why should they pay the price for the actions of a bunch of people who hold such extreme opinions? If we can all live together and support each other in foreign countries, why cannot we do the same in our native countries?

It is important to understand that fundamentalists who pose threats to Indian citizens are also destabilising Pakistan.

“Whether you talk about the Lok Sabha attack of 2001 or Mumbai attacks of 2008, being a Pakistani I am utterly embarrassed. Believe me I would do anything to see the culprits behind such terror attacks hanged because killing humans is despicable. No one deserves to die the way they were killed. I cannot describe how sorry and sad I felt for the loss of dozens of lives and I must say that majority would share the same sentiment,” said Adnan Rizvi.

Denying visas to common people or eying those with suspicion and disgust who play no part in these barbaric crimes perpetrated against both countries only helps the motive of these fundamentalists. The bond we share is unbreakable and extremely special because we remain an offshoot of the same tree. How many countries in the world enjoy that privilege?

Karthik Naralasetty, Chief Executive Officer of Socialblood, said, “As an Indian I have a special bond and respect for the people of Pakistan. I believe we are divided today just because of a few ignorant politicians. I have lived in the US for a while for my education and for the first time in my life I had a chance to meet citizens of Pakistan. We bonded better than people with other nationalities just because of the fact that we hailed from India and Pakistan. We shared the same food, music, movies and we thoroughly enjoyed each other’s company.”

Karthik fervently hopes that one day he will be able to visit Pakistan and taste sewyan (vermicelli) in Lahore and other food items served especially during the month of Ramazan.

I hope and pray that one day the rulers of two of the greatest South Asian countries will understand that many citizens of both the nations deeply oppose the hatred that most of them propagate. I wish to see the day when the silent majority overtakes the hate mongering minority and brings about a revolution in which India and Pakistan work harmoniously for the welfare and progress of human rights. That they act on behalf of those thousands of people who are sacrificed in the name of this hatred.

Mahatma Gandhi very rightly said, “We shall go from love to love and peace to peace, until at last all the corners of the world are covered with that peace and love for which, consciously or unconsciously, the whole world is hungering.”

We must not give up this hope that love and peace will indeed one day reach all corners of the world. Instead, we must continue to spread this message until all that remains is love and peace.


Faiza Mirza
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Ajaya K Dutt Aug 13, 2012 12:56pm
It is important to highlight that there are Pakistani people who fee disgusted by persecution of Hindus in Pakistan and there condemnation of holding back Hindu travelers on railway platform for seven hours before letting them go after getting assurance that they shall not seek asylum in India. This evil act of Pakistani Government is condemned along with innuendos like “conspiracy” and “misguided by agents” by Pakistani human elements also. We need to shore up this sentiment not only to end the persecution within Pakistan but also to stem the growth of evil with “reaction” mentality. This is not Hindu Vs. Musselman, India Vs. Pakistan; IT IS Insaan Vs. Haiwan. Smile of the future lies in silence or words of today.
pranav Aug 13, 2012 12:56pm
I am a normal indian...and I want to visit Pakistan. Just because a few elements have harmed us doesnt mean you can paint the entire country with same colour.
Anup Aug 13, 2012 10:01am
Mr. Hindustani, please read history and please try to understand geography, economics and humanity. If every Pakistani is made culprit for the sake of Mumbai then lot more can come back from there as well. If both countries need to progress then peace is the only way. Get out of comfort zone and try to understand the situation. Your "We Indians" may include some emotional people like you only, if you ask people with some knowledge they will definitely will not agree with you.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 10:09am
Indians are paranoid. Sorry That's the idea i get seeing these comments.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 10:07am
We never asked for help from China because we already have one generous "ally" in the form of USA.
Asif Aug 13, 2012 11:24am
So you think only hindu philosophy teaches tolerance.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 10:02am
Hah! Forget it and get over it. Kashmiris want to be Pakistani
CMA Aug 14, 2012 11:44am
Ahmed i wish there were more such Pakistanis who would know the difference - really we are a shameful lot always praising and singing in their praise and getting only hatred from them (Indians). The comments posted on this site of ours against us is so degrading and is a proof of their mentality. ( almost all TV channels) devote 5 minutes after every bulletin talking about their films/ actors/ actresses.. when will this stop.
Akash Jain Aug 14, 2012 11:39am
Why wouldn't they Mr Shekhar? When we all share similar sentiments why not. I would love to travel to pakistan and I expect from all the Pakistanis to travel to India and explore the beauty and similarities of both the nations. I as an Indian Welcome you all to India. Wish you a very Happy Independence day.
CMA Aug 14, 2012 11:38am
Malik you are 100 % right... we are all the time praising the Indians and getting only abuses, hatred, negative propoganda - Yes You are so correct that the Times of India or for that matter any paper would allow us to write anything against India as we have allowed them.. why dont people make out the difference. The mumbai attack by the way was a game of foreign intelligence agencies as time will prove .
Sanyam Kaushik Aug 13, 2012 12:47pm
Dear Ms Faiza Mirza, This is my first post on the dawn. Being an indian, I really read dawn once in a while to get a sense what is actually happening in Pakistan and what people think. I really like your website and the articles. This one is also a brilliant article and I appreciate it a lot. I live in London and know a few Pakistani people who are nice people. You are right that Indians or Pakistanis, both tend to help each other in odd situations abroad. A similar thought came to my mind when I watched the Olympic Closing ceremony yesterday and listened to the song, If there were no countries, no religions, no barriers, the world would be a lovely place to live in. And trust me, from my experience and (part of the) live that I have l have lived in India, people from both the countries want to live in harmony, peacefully and as good friends. Unfortunately, there are few incidents (as you have mentioned), which make tiffness in people's minds at times but that rift also goes away after some time. I wish peace and prosperity in the region. Good luck and keep writing such great articles. Its positive journalism.
giri Aug 13, 2012 01:09pm
Yes, you can go . Noone prevents you . Make sure you get visa for this , because we call people like you as anti-nationals and terrorist.
NORI Aug 14, 2012 01:20pm
Muslim rule and the art of ruling !!! Other than building Mosques and patronizing Arabic and Persian languages, what's great about Muslim rule in India ? Don't show me some building and forts to showcase the greatness of Muslim rule. No investment on science and technology while other parts of the world had seen real progress and no support tot he indigenous languages, people and the culture. Next, why should Indians and Hindus especially get pained, when they read that they were ruled by Muslims. Hindus were never inferior and militant in nature. Despite centuries of atrocities committed by Muslim rule (tax etc), none of those facts are seen in Indian text books. That shows the generosity and wisdom on the part of India.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 10:05am
It keeps coming out of indian occupied kashmir innit? Azad Kashmiris are happy. Atrocities? Do you even have any ground idea? Or your source of information is times of india or other indian papers?
Guru Aug 14, 2012 09:58am
I had a similar experience in NY La Guardia airport. Visiting US for the first time with family, a check-in person helped us in getting on board an earlier flight so that we could reach the other coast in sane hours. He helped us thro till security & in the course of the interaction, found that he was from Pak. Unfortunately, the good ones in Pak seem to have gone silent. It is not enough to be good but to stand up for what is good as well. The silent majority is allowing a mad minority to run amok and the sins of the few , will visit all if not checked.
BRR Aug 14, 2012 09:58am
sir/madam, u should may be look into the comments by pak citizens on times of india... I am not saying I endorse indian citizens' negative comments here....
Vineeth Aug 13, 2012 12:24pm
Allowing other faiths to exist beside your own is one thing. But accepting another faith as equally legitimate as your own is a whole different league. Hindu faith system is one which teaches that there are many paths to God, like the many rivers (faiths) which meets the same ocean (God) and that no particular faith is intrinsically superior to another. Does any other faith system go to this extent to legitimize other faiths? I'm not sure.
bharat Aug 14, 2012 10:28am
Sir, i do agree with you that Pakistan has faced far more terrorist attacks than us Indians, Thousands of Innocent Pakistanis have died due to this problem. I can assure you that i personally dont blindly believe the Media whether in India or Pakistan or America I know for a fact that an average Indian or Pakistani is struggling in this life to survive and prosper More than 90 % or Indians or Pakistanis are normal people who can never harm each other I have met people from your country and love them too However, we Indians have also faced terrorism not due to the average Pakistani but done by terrorists who could be Pakistani and Indian also. This terrorism has destroyed the future for ordinary Pakistanis and we indians dont rejoice in knowing this sad fact I wish to tell you that had i been given an opportunity, would like to see your lovely country and its people
Braki Aug 13, 2012 11:01am
Excellent article!!!! The majority of comments from across the border are very negative. Please stop being a hostage to the past. If we are fearful of fear itself then it does not bode well for the future. I'm a British Pakistani and the history of Europe in terms of murderous genocide makes the hostility between India and Pakistan look like a tea party! Despite Europe's appalling history they now live in peace and harmony. Gandhi and Jinnah would not be impressed!!!
pranav Aug 13, 2012 01:00pm
taranveer, you cant err with a girls name ...and that too a beautiful one !!!! You just lost your chance to take her out for a coffee :-)
Zahid Aug 14, 2012 11:52am
And that is a wonderful thing. This newspaper is primarily aimed at people who have the tolerance to accept views that maybe contrary to their own. My point is that if you are going to spew hate, there are plenty of other forums in both countries where you can do that.
pranav Aug 13, 2012 01:03pm
Raheel, And then when you get sick of solitude..dont forget to come to Mumbai !!! Dinners on me..and so is the city tour !
CMA Aug 14, 2012 11:34am
I fully agree with the comments of Ahmed -- that the indians are the is not we who hate the Indians but it is the other way around - I watch Zee News regularly and day in and day out they have negative stories about Pakistan - even if anyone sneezes in India - they put the blame on Pakistan - it is sometimes so disgusting I cannot tell you - whereas our media especially the TV channels never, ever speaks or are obsessed by India or the Indians - switch on any TV channels ( Sama, ARY, Express News to mentione a few) and every day without fail we devote 5 minutes to Indian films and their actors & actresses - it is sickening. No mention or negativity from our side - the indians themselves can watch our news and see and compare it with theirs. The Mumbai attack is not solved because the Indian government is not giving the govnt of Pakistan access to the witnesses especially to Kasab. If we want peace with the neighbours India would have to reconcile with the idea of an Independent Pakistan and stop interfering in its affairs. Live and let live. !
ghaleezguftar Aug 14, 2012 12:05pm
simplistic article and useless comments!
Sapan Kapoor Aug 13, 2012 10:00am
Trust me we don't give a damn about Pakistanis think of us.
ashok Aug 13, 2012 08:34am
What Pakistan establishment be it army /govt ,do with India ,may not be supported by Pakistanis in large nos but Indians do not see any protest either from civil society or any platform. However we r no body to judge & analyse ,lets pray peacs will/must prevail soon . evolutionary process takes its own course. I will also request the admin of this paper to not allow shallow comments from both sides , lets forget commerce in some cases. Education does not necessarily bring big heart ,its bringing up ,environment ,& many combinations , forgiving is very good thing ,request all to try.
anonymous Aug 13, 2012 12:03pm
Well the same applies to Pakistanis as well, they should keep regard of the wishes of the Baloch's, Sindhis and Kashmiris, they should vacate the Kashmiri parts occupied by them, these territories were never given to Pakistan during partition.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 13, 2012 10:19am
And do you mean we will continue to face this terrorism from Pakistan?
shankar Aug 13, 2012 10:24am
Pakistan, you are good soul, may your dreams come true and may India and Pakistan live as friends in future!
BRR Aug 14, 2012 10:28am
Ma'am, you've written a great post, salute you for that.... I am really ashamed to see my fellow Indian brothers using this forum to show their anguish and negativity when a person intends to make a bridge between two neighbours... First to my Indian brothers, pls lets not spread our negativity in this forum..if we cant speak positively, lets not atleast spread negative things... both the sides have their own arguments to put forward... we have 26/11, parliament blast etc... Pak ppl will put forward kashmir, dam building etc... why this argument?? To my pakistani brothers, a happy independence day....I see that most of you voice here against terrorism, ppl in India see otherwise (I will give u the reason too..)... let me assure you that as an Indian, I have read dawn articles to know wats happening across the border.. dont mistake tht we indians love to see violence in we dont... we indians would love to see a stable pak which is conducive to india and together we can prosper well..I even dreamt of having a single currency like euro and liberal visa like euro nations or US/canada... u must also understand our anger when a captured terrorist here (mumbai) names pak citizens (namely hafiz saeed and co.) for 26/11 and we see them in youtube and other media openly giving speeches to create violence in india... when tht happens, we only look forward to our pak brothers to come openly against them for us... but when tht doesnt happen we indians are disappointed and some communal politicians use this opportunity to imbibe hatred... u might give example of bal thackeray, modi etc... there are several cases pending against them, and they will be punished for their crimes... can u assure us tht similar thing will happen across the border??? I hope one day my dream comes true.... Happy ramadan...pls pray for us too...cheers !
Meow Aug 13, 2012 12:07pm
meri baat suno. pakistan - ko aane do agar - asli passport banane ka promise karen. phir woh affadavit lekhin ki terrorism training nahin kari hai. uske baad uske paas india aane ki wajah honi chahiye and most important waapis jaane ki bhi. considering thousands of pakistanis haven't gone back. lastly USA ka valid visa hona chahiye. politician aur army , government employees and anyone above 60 or below 10 age can only apply. kashmiri
Prabhjyot Madan Aug 14, 2012 12:42pm
A good piece my the author. I would commend her for her positive views about us, Indians.A process of thaw is gaining momentum between the two countries and i would really love to see the democratic process pick up speed in Pakistan. We always had a fairly good relations during the period of democracy. I would love to go to my paternal ancestral city of gujranwala and maternal ancestral city of rawalpindi. i hope pretty soon rather than later. Trade and business of all sorts should be opened up because it proves to a catalyst against negativity and aggression between our two great countries.Waheguru bless both Indians and pakistanis equally.Rab rakha, sat sri akal.
NORI Aug 14, 2012 12:41pm
Two rubber stamps, aren't they ?
Kanwal Aug 14, 2012 12:41pm
Glad you liked your stay in India. I wish I could personally look after some Pakistani friends. We have a lot to learn from you. Wish our governments make travel tourism possible between our countries.
asad Aug 13, 2012 12:20pm
how cheap thinking of u all who says i m indian or pakistani infact that type of person doesnot mean humanity you said kashmir issue is rotten in between indopak we want unity of indopak you such type of people make disturbance in relations of both countries sick minded people dont you see what britishers did with you you always fight without any issue our culture way of living is same as all thing and religion is the personal choice of person so dnt bother religions in countries try make ourselve better do not kick of mud to anyone we common people wants excellent better relations of both countries whosoever want to destroy infact i will personally sue them because personally i love humanity that's why ae are progeny of Prophet Adam peace be upon him be like brother and sister understand all people of indopak who said rubbish thing to above comments ifact i m called this three countries namely pakistan bangladesh and india as pure united india dnt u think that birtishers and americans wants to divide ourselve but they are united to make disturbance in sub continent called india listen learn from the past make ourselve better be like molana Abul KAlaam AZad
meow Aug 13, 2012 12:16pm
why dont you go back to PAK. Be Brave, you can say that if you went back --UK wont let you in. So you worry!
Indian Aug 13, 2012 10:46am
I think to begin with we Indians should stop commenting adversely on Dawn . rather than helping clear things it is leading to more bad blood. I pledge for myself not to comment again on Dawn.Finito!
Krish Aug 13, 2012 12:16pm
" ....Gandhi created Pakistan..."?? That's a new one. When two nations unfurled their flags of Independence on successive days, Gandhi was in a corner of Bengal, in one of his fasts. When an Englishman interviewing him asked how he felt, he replied through an interpreter " Usko bolo dil sookh gaya " ( tell him my heart has dried up )
Vineeth Aug 13, 2012 12:14pm
I might be part of a tiny minority in India, but I believe patriotism should not involve whitewashing one's mistakes. If the stone-pelting and flag-burning youth and women in Kashmir valley is any indication, I would say India has made a very big mistake in annexing Kashmir. The same logic we applied in annexing Junagadh should have been applied for Kashmir too, and in my opinion Pakistan has every right to feel cheated about it. But the slogan of Kashmir being integral part of India has been brainwashed so much into our psyche from childhood that entertaining any idea to the contrary is considered treason not just by the government, but by a large percentage of the people too. That said, I would also say that Pakistan's idea of sponsoring terrorism to achieve its end has made it easier for Indians to assume that all troubles in the valley are the creations of Pakistan and the proxies funded by it.
meow Aug 13, 2012 12:14pm
khalid - now india doesn't let you people in.. and we dont care what you think. Tell the whole world if you are complaining. maybe someone will open the door to let you in? somalia could be your next destination and future
NORI Aug 14, 2012 12:48pm
You use the word 'ally' !!! You know what that means ? If US and UK are allies, then UK doesn't ask money from US for sending its soldiers to Afghanistan and US and UK armies work shoulder to shoulder to combat the terrorists. They share each other's pain and victories. Now, can you say Pakistan is an ally of US ? I see Pakistan army as a butler in hotel who desires tips but performs service at his own convenience. Pakistanis demand money for everything and still you call yourselves ally. Time to change the definition of ally in Oxford's dictionary..
meow Aug 13, 2012 12:11pm
khalid - kaun sa kashmir? POK or Indian Kashmir? kisi kashmiri ha naam suna hai except Illyas Kashmiri.
meow Aug 13, 2012 12:09pm
Faiza - you please come , we like your article but now we are not suspicious but you may know that there arenot many places where PAK is welcome. So , India also has to be extra careful considering the risks.
G.a Aug 13, 2012 01:58pm
Wow! I was not expecting so much hatred from so many Indians considering this article was full of love and affection for Indians and not the hate that Indians claim is being taught in Pakistani schools. At 60 percent dislike of Pakistan in India, it seems like hate is being taught in India. Is that hatred the very reason Pakistan was created in the first place. May there be peace.
babu Aug 13, 2012 11:58am
yes asif , i can see nowhere else ,how Indian soft power ,has failed
Jawwad Aug 13, 2012 04:07pm
Jinne Lahore nayi vekheya o jammeya e nayi - Thank you Kanwal . I truly enjoyed too visiting Chandigarh, Jalandhar and Amritsar where I went to Jallianwala Bagh and paid my respect to the martyrs of Jallianwal massacre.
Kanwal Aug 13, 2012 11:55am
Excellent article. I wholeheartedly support Fazia's views. I read a lot of mixed views from people across the border on both sides, some good, some acrimonious. I want to share some of my personal experiences. had the great fortune of visiting Lahore when visas were liberally given to Indians to witness the Friendship Cricket series in maybe 2004. What an ethereal experience. Never experienced such warmth and hospitality of all Lahoris anywhere in the whole world. And mind you, I have visited most of the so called exotic places in the whole of Europe, US, Canada, South-East Asia, and so on. My ancestors came from Lahore, and I had the opportunity of visiting Model Town iin Lahore where they lived. It was great to visit the famous Anarkali Bazaar, and the rocking Food Street at night. The fish at Sardar macchi shop was mind-boggling. No wonder it is famously said, " Jinne Lahore nayi vekheya o jammeya e nayi ". Despite our differences, I love you Pakistanis. I wish I get the opportunity to pay back your hospitality. Inshallah, that day will come in my lifetime
john Vicary Aug 15, 2012 03:00pm
Nice one !! Now go and take your daily doze !
Murtuza Babrawala Aug 13, 2012 11:49am
For all practical purposes better relations between the two counties would bring prosperity to the people of both countries. A large number of people live in abject poverty in both countries. Better relations means both countries would spend money on economic development and reduction of poverty.
pravin Aug 13, 2012 10:57am
Very well written.Seems like someone with knowledge of hindu philosophy of tolerance has written this.Hope there ae more people like this author in pakistan.
Rome Aug 13, 2012 11:33am
@khalid - you say that all Hindus care about is money. Not strictly true, but let's assume you're right. What's wrong with caring about money? Let's not romanticize poverty. It only degrades the soul. Better a wealthy capitalist than an impoverished religious fanatic. The profit motive (assuming it is done legally and ethically) throws out a lot of other prejudices based on religion, gender, nationality, etc. In other words, if Pakistanis gave up this fascination with religion and started caring about money, they will start trading with India and stop terrorism. That will lead to open borders, better understanding, and deeper friendships. Before we know it, there will be peace.
Asif Aug 13, 2012 10:59am
I feel so fortunate not to have lived and rub shoulders with people of your mentality. Seems your books,environment and media are showering love and respect. I can feel lot of hatred, poison and venom in your post.
India Aug 13, 2012 10:50am
I can now understand why Jinnah and Gandhi created Pakistan under the watchful guidance of the British. Why do we talk about each other, Millions have died so that we could live peacefully in separate countries, and now why we want to get involved in that rut all over again? Was the blood shed so useless?? Stay away from each other and be happy. Who wants to have brainwashing people in India teaching people to be suicide bombers and have shariya imposed! Even muslim people are afraid that this could happen if India would allow them to travel freely and settle here.. The world knows that Indians have never attacked Pakistan , but they have defended themselves..So please live and let live!
desi Aug 13, 2012 01:21pm
I am an indian and a hindu and to all the hindus who want to visit pakistan what do you want to see? Hospitality during cricket series is temporary and treatment of hindu minority is permanent.Feel sorry for non muslims in pakistan while our muslims are crying about burma.Its only some punjabis and north indians who like to visit pakistan probably to see women and to re live how they were well treated by muslims for centuries.And again my question to indians what do you want to see in pakistan?
BHB Aug 13, 2012 01:23pm
Easing visa restrictions will result in better people-to-people ties especially amongst states that straddle the Indo-Pak border that have historical/ancestral connections. I don't think, however, that it will open a floodgate of tourists from India wanting to visit Pakistan. As many have noted, full-fledged relationship between the two countries is not possible since many outstanding issues are either resolved or forgiven. For the past decade, the trajectory of the two countries has begun to diverge remarkably. Pakistan seems to be getting ever more conservative and theocratic by each passing year. For that reason, many Pakistani youngsters will continue to be more attracted culturally to India than to their own country. That too has become extremely evident. India will do well to ease visa restrictions for demographics that are less of a threat - women, older and younger people but also college and school kids. Those visiting can witness that it is indeed possible for a vast society to live together and that religious beliefs need not be threatened by diversity. Trade too can be liberalized since it is in the economic interest of both countries. Businessmen and trade delegations should be able to work with each other easily and conveniently. Much of this is already happening and will happen even faster if Pakistani military allows the civilian government a freer reign in this regard.
Sarthak Aug 13, 2012 10:43am
I admire your views Raheel. It rings truth and also exudes hope...
dhiraj garg Aug 14, 2012 11:00am
Despite the so-called rule by muslims over india for so-called thousand years, why did they feel so uncomfortable and feeling insecure with hindus in just 90 yrs (from 1857 to 1947) who were fighting against britishers for not their personal freedom but for national freedom and were later had to fight against traitors in the form of All India Muslim League whose manifesto clearly present their loyalty to british govt. The one who has not become loyal to this land despite living here for thousand years , will also not become loyal to pakistan in just 65 yrs. !!!
Arvind Aug 14, 2012 11:04am
Pakis should take initiative like this woman author to remove restrictions then it may become like Berlin wall.Remember it was East Germans who took initiative. Indians may not object to it.
Roy Ashish Aug 14, 2012 10:42am
Atleast you people should care about what the entire world think about you !!!
Paras Rishi Aug 15, 2012 11:56am
My ancestral village is in Haripur (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa), my great grandfather was a sepoy in Baloch Regiment, we speak the same language, we eat the same food, we share common history, we even play the same sports. Only if the Britain had chosen a better peaceful exit plan, it would have been a different story today!
Maryam Naseer Aug 15, 2012 11:48am
Thankyou so much Iyan for inviting us to your country. I would love to go there when ever i will get a chance. I also want to visit Banaras as well.
Maryam Naseer Aug 15, 2012 11:44am
No, I had never been to India but we (with some Pakistani and Indian friends) are planning to visit each others country. Yeah I know a person from Kerala named Rehman, he is such a wonderful guy, he shared his culture, his traditions and everthing with us :) and one of my friend from Mumbai, she is married to Kerala so I hope we will meet one day again
Fazal Karim USA Aug 18, 2012 01:51pm
I ask Human Rights commissions of India and Pakistan to let public know their stand on union/meeting of the members of divided families and what steps they have taken to persuade/pressurise the two governments to remove artificial hurdels in the issue of visas to divided famikies starting from seniors and children The two commissions should inform public if the visitors in this category have ever been involved in dangerous activities, Their numbers in the last 64 years.
malaydeb Aug 19, 2012 10:27am
Dear Anoop, Badshah Khan not only boycotted the referendum, he didn't hide his disappointment with the Indian National Congress leadership for thier acceptance of partition. His parting comment to the INC leaders was, "You have thrown us to the wolves."
U Gupta Aug 13, 2012 08:30am
I also want to visit and many people like me.
Krish Aug 13, 2012 09:41am
Khalid, do you know that one of the top tech-companies Chief is Mr. Azim Premji, now among the richest people in the world, and a Shia Muslim whose father was invited by the Founder of Pakistan to settle in Pakistan, but stayed put in India ? And he has set the record for giving the biggest individual donation to charity/promotion of education in the entire sub-continent, of USD 2 billion ?
shankar Aug 13, 2012 08:02am
Khalid, you proved hindustani's point. The bohomie between the two countries are only skin deep. If you scratch the surface, whole lot of hatred for each other comes out. It is better for us to keep away from each other until all these wounds heal, if at all they ever do.
Proud Indian Aug 13, 2012 07:55am
I am a Proud Indian, and Mr Hindustani, its your view not ours, and i dont know how did you reach with the 90% view of the remaining Indians, I am part of India, and its my dream to visit Pakistan and I know people around me who wants to visit Pakistan... i think you Individuality are happy without any relationship, Do not count the whole India... Give love get love
PNegi Aug 13, 2012 09:40am
It is a myth that Kashmir wants to acceed to Pakistan. Had a plebscite been conducted in 1948, Kashmiris would have all opted for India because of the large scale arson, rape and loot they saw at the hands of Pakistani tribals abetted by Pakistan Army. Sheikh Abdullah who was a mass leader of Kashmiri Muslims shouted in the UN General Assembly for his preferance for India. Even to-day a small number of Kashmiri muslims though hate India donot want to go to Pakistan but opt for independence. So it is a myth that Kashmiris want Pakistan because of a common religion. Everybody knows how Pakistan has been treating Muhajirs in their country. Pakistan has from the start been a hostile and cheating neighbour of India and there is therefore no reason for us to trust them. Now another chapter is being added to our bad relations that is the treatment to Pakistani Hindus, their forced conversion, rapes of girls and abduction. Every day the relations get more and more soured.
k.swamy Aug 13, 2012 08:49am
Ms.mirza You have written a nice and factual article. We most of the Indian want to live with very friendly relation with pakistan. If it happens both thr countries will properous and way ahead of many countries. They lived together for centuries respecting eachother religion. This will happen soon.
waseem Aug 26, 2012 03:27am
spot on
Naushad Aug 13, 2012 09:43am
Sorry buddy, you are wrong on Kashmir. It is India who went to the UN seeking a peaceful resolution, not Pakistan. And both countries agreed to abide by the resolution. But if you take the trouble to dig up the resolution on the net (to save you trouble, here it is, you will clearly see that it was Pakistan who, after agreeing to do so, did not abide with the condition that all its troops should withdraw before a plebiscite was held. Hence no plebiscite was held - but they dont teach you this fact in your history books.... The Siachin glacier remained unoccupied by mutual consent till the early '80's. Then Pakistan started giving ski-ing permits to tourists, thereby in effect laying claim to it, contrary to all understanding. What did you expect India to do??
Guru Aug 13, 2012 12:00pm
When we get blown up in our own cities by terror exported from Pakistan, we are bound to have negative feel about that nation. Pls for a minute also, don't quote that you are also getting blown up in your cities, cause that is by people whom you brought up in your own backyard & has nothing to do with Indian intentions/capabilities. Till Mumbai 2008 & Parliament attacks are done justice to, I cannot imagine the population in India cool down.
chakraborty Aug 13, 2012 01:24pm
You are right Ramanan, Otherwise we would have been living in a situation like Nigeria if India was undivided. And yes you said North Indians feel Nostalgic. You forgot the Bengalis. However we are Happy that We are in a safer sociopolitical atmosphere which would not have been possible if India was united
Muhammad Umair Aug 14, 2012 09:49am
India kills thousands of Pakistanis through its proxy terrorists in Pakistan every year. Would the Indian government stop killing us if Mumbai accused were brought to justice? I think think so. We'll continue to drink each others blood because of people like you.
Shekhar Aug 13, 2012 06:25am
Strange why would normal Indians, even think of visiting Pakistan
AmarB Aug 13, 2012 06:33am
I cant agree with you more. Being an Indian - one of my dream and todo before i die is to visit Pakistan. I am so keen to see Mohenjo-daro and harappa which i read during my school days. So keen to see Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Larkana etc.. Its not the politicians who dont want to open up visa regime but few fundamentalist in pak (as we have told to believe it since childhood) who hate India and wants to bomb us all across. I think more than Politicians meeting each other if Indian PM meets regularly with your head of Military things will be better solved. For eg. Pervez Mush. was ideal for us to deal with but we lost that oppurtunity. Nonetheless.. See u in Pakistan soon..
Abhi Aug 13, 2012 06:35am
Iam from Kerala...working in Bangalore....We have a history.. an iam so happy tht we doubled our medal tally frm beijing(Olympics)...we are coming guys watch on...we hav grown up.....We don hate u...but trying to tell lets all live peacefully
Ghalib Khan Aug 13, 2012 06:51am
Dear Shekhar, I guess you would have to be normal to understand that in the first place. only Love no hate from a Pakistani
Ramanan Aug 13, 2012 07:56am
@All Pakistanis, I agree to what Hindustani has said. We do not want any relationship/interaction with Pakistan. We also do not want the Indian government to do anything with malicious intent with respect to Pakistan, like for example, build dams on the rivers or support Baluchistan, which any ways, indian experts and press say is hyped up by Pakistan. India can survive only if it is a multi-cultural society allowing for all kinds of people and all shades of opinion. This multi-culturalism is already under strain; any further interchange or dealings with Pakistan will tear it asunder. We are happy that a good number of you left us on 1947; We are thankful to Jinnah for that. It is not even about Mumbai and 26//11; it is more about your text books and hate and venom imparted through it. We won't have anything to do with you. But some north-indians are still nostalgic; but they are a minority.
HINDUSTANI Aug 13, 2012 07:04am
Hmmm!!! Now you people want to visit India and Create More Mumbai's and Kill more Hindus as most of the Pakis hate the word Hindu. Normally speaking 90% of Indians want to keep away from Pakistan and we not at all LONG to visit or befriend Pakistan. India has never attacked Pakistan BUT Pakistan has attacked India 4 times Including Kargil. Also Pakistan has Sponsored Terrorist attacks Widely including Mumbai 2008, you Pakistanis want to Still Visit India??? Opinion polls are just a hogwash, and Almost all Indians want to keep away from Pakistan & Pakistanis. May be Pakistanis want to think otherwise. WE INDIANS ARE HAPPY WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH PAKISTAN & PAKISTANIS , PERIOD.
Karan Kapoor Aug 13, 2012 07:06am
What a nice article!!! As long as both India & Pakistan will continue to believe what politicians & corrupt bureaucrats will tell us - the problem will never be resolved. Hatred for each other gives them strength & we are fools to give them on continuous basis over the last 60 years. The philosophy of divide & rule (Phoot dalo aur hukumat karo) was started by British and our Governments took it forward. I met a girl from Lahore online & we fell in love (3 years back). the only reason why we couldn't marry was because we were from two countries with different religions. Both Ind & Pak are fighting in the name of God (which no-one can claim to see). This is utter disgrace to us in 21st century. I really have no hope. Why cant we set a deadline (for e.g. 2020 / 2025 etc.) for our unification? Why cant that be a benchmark?? Oh what the hell am i talking about!! Why dream something that can never happen. India can never trust Pak & Pak will never have a stable democracy. None of these things will ever happen!!
khalid Aug 13, 2012 07:13am
hindustani you are a freaking dummy.. Kargil attack is a direct result of what indian troops did in 1984 when they occupied pakistani check post that pak troops had vacated because of winter. Despite the fact that there was gentlemen's agreement between pakistan and india not to do that.. to this date your troops have no withdrawn. India occupies Kashmir .. if you know anything about history India had no right to do that. Hindu Raja despite people's wishes allied with inida. When A Muslim ruler of state of Juna Ghar decided to do the same (i.e., decided to be part of pakistan despite the fact that majority of that state was hindu..) your gangs attacked and forcefully made that state part of india...eithr you stand on kashmir is wrong or your stand on juna ghar was wrong you can't have both ways.. just like kargil and siachin..
Maryam Naseer Aug 13, 2012 07:56am
I don't know what Indian people think about Pakistan but yes, I knw some very close and wonderful Indian People from Kerala, Banaras, Dehli and Mumbai to whom I met in this summer when i was out of country. While being there, we spent quality time together, laughed together and shared everyithing :). It was my first time meeting anyone from India and it was such a wonderful experience that I want to be connected to those people in my remaining life. Love from Pakistan to my Indian friends
Surendran Aug 13, 2012 07:42am
Reading some comments/responses to the article it seems for the peace-niks in Pakistan and India it is going to be a long haul. Moral of the article - DON'T GIVE UP LAAGE RAHO MUNNIBEHEN!!! (WITH DUE RESPECTS TO MUNNABHAI)
Pakistan Aug 13, 2012 07:42am
I was born in Pakistan, my grand parents migrated from India. I always felt a strong tie with India. Pakistanis are very emotional people who forgive easily. My impression about Indians is not quite the same. (I know many Indians personally). Just see this platform. The Indians who visit Dawn probably are the most educated people in India (average). However, read their comment, you will see 90% Indians really misunderstand Pakistanis and Pakistan. There is something called life which is bigger than politics, government and military. Common Pakistani and Indian share something that life has to offer and it is called hope. I really hope one day there will be no military, no armed conflicts, no crying mothers, no bombs, no attacking politicians.... only love will flow in Ravi, like the times of Baba Guru Nanak and Akbar. I personally like to see NO border between two countries. I know it might take 200 years but it will happen. It is our duty to remove the wall of hatred and share stores that unite us not divide us. Peace from West..... Love you My Hindustani brothers and sisters.
Giri Aug 13, 2012 07:52am
@Ms.Mirza Thanks a lot for your beautiful words . But me and many Indians like me are not fulls . We have got our rewards and that's evidient from the response of Indians for India and pak cricket match .Request you not to bracket Indians and India with pakistan . We feel ashmaed when you do that . Regards
Raheel Aug 13, 2012 08:15am
I always dream of a breezy sunset walk in Taj Mahel and a month-long trip to frozen desert Ladakh. But itt was etched in my mind that if I go there, I would probably end up in RAW's torture cell. It took me 20 years to realize what crime this society had done to me. I was made to hate people and their culture and their country. Now, I am sure that Indians too are humans of flesh and blood, like I am. This generation of both India and Pakistan have been cursed. We might not be friends but let's cultivate love and peace in our children.
gaurav Aug 13, 2012 08:18am
for conversion haha
Ico-1 Aug 13, 2012 08:22am
"It is the land of vibrant colours, rich cultural heritage and beautiful women. The cuisine, nightlife, street art and architecture simply have no parallels. Oh my God! I am absolutely in love with India,” is how Mariam described her recent trip to one of my favourite countries in the world.Mariam’s narrative reignited my passion to visit India and experience the joy in person" Beautiful women in India? You got to be kidding.
Anshu Aug 13, 2012 08:25am
@HINDUSTANI - While I somewhat agree with your comments - we need to look at the bigger picture. People in Pakistan are getting radicalized - by propaganda that India and Indians are enemies of Islam. IF Pakistan ceases to exist as a nation it will hurt us even more. On the other hand - if educated, middle class Pakistani professionals visit India and see our pluralistic society - they can counter the vile propaganda when they return home. They can testify how muslims in India are thriving and how they are not oppressed. (Their backwardness is due to their lack of modern education - which some of them seem to avoid). Like Churchill said "To jaw-jaw is better than war-war".
John Aug 13, 2012 08:26am
Pakistani women, in fact most muslim women, are far more tolerant than their males. The author of the above article is no exception.
Ahtasham Aug 13, 2012 08:27am
Faiza Mirza needs to move Back Indian Gujrat...
MKB Aug 13, 2012 08:28am
Khalid you also need to study history bit. Juna Ghar (Your Ex Prime Minister Z.A.Bhutoo's father was the prime Minister of Juna Ghar) deep inside of Inian state and do not share a boarder with Pakistan. Infact When Juna Ghar's Nawab was left the country, Bhutoo's father only wrote a letter to Bombay Presidency to invate Juna Ghar & restore peace. In the case of Kashmir, Pakistan attacked, India repulsed, In Juna Ghar Pakistan did not got any opportunity to enter India & repulse Indian attack.
MKB Aug 13, 2012 08:51am
True Pakistani color. Pakisntan is living on Saudia & American donation. It has been describe as a failed state by many. Jinnah did surely a good job. touble makers are left aside to make India a liveable place. I was once asked Ardeshir Cowasjee, a reputed Pakistani Journalist, about formation of Pakistan, What he said you know?- a place for idiot people.
khalid Aug 13, 2012 08:53am
MKB Point is not weather Juna gar shared a land border with Pakistan or not.. Even Bangladesh did not share a border with Pakistan and it was part of Pakistan. The issue here is that you did not respect the wishes of majority in state of Kashmir.. and when a Muslim ruler of Juna Ghar did not respect the wishes of majority of in his state you guys had a problem with that and rightfully so.. but at the same time you should have respected wishes of kashmiri people and we would not have as much hatred and wars over the year.. everything stems from this one issue and weather you admit it or not India is in the wrong here on kashmir issue.. as well as in its occuption of pakistan's check posts in siachin.
MKB Aug 13, 2012 08:59am
Yes, this is the right sprit. Why most Indian dislike Pakistan - (not Pakistani, they are as good or bad as Indian. ) for the terrorist activities, like Parliamnet, attack, 26/11, Kargil and fundamentalists who want to invade India, establish Islamic supremacy. India is a multicolor, diversed society, she has fair amount of problem, hunger, ileteracy etc. but she do not have any illfeeling to destibilize Pakistan.
khalid Aug 13, 2012 09:01am
Pakistan.. I know you mean well.. but you don't know how fundamentalist Hindus are.. They are extremely racist even against their own people from lower casts and obviously against Muslims.. I've interacted with many of them and all they talk about or care about is money. Sikhs on the other hand are much different they are more friendly and fun loving compare to Hindus.
taranveer singh Aug 13, 2012 09:09am
huma s thinking is as beautiful as she is.
Satya Aug 13, 2012 09:10am
Shame on you Ramanan
taranveer singh Aug 13, 2012 09:12am
oh sorry her name is faiza
Sapan Kapoor Aug 13, 2012 09:15am
@Ms Mirza, Trust me my friend we Indians don't hate Pakistanis. We're just sick of terrorism and extremism emanating from Pakistan. All we want is to live in peace and have good relations with the people of Pakistan because as our PM says, "We can choose our friends but we cannot choose our neighbors." It's our bad luck though that we are blessed with a neighbor like Pakistan whose whole identity and existence is based on its hatred for India and everything that India stands for. It's the extremists and terrorists of Pakistan who always sabotage the peace process by killing our people in our cities. I agree that Pakistanis are not bad people and that majority of them want to have good relations with India. But the way Pakistan's government's running away from its responsibility to bring the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks to justice shows that they are not really serious about having peace with India The ongoing Mumbai trial in Pakistan remains a sham and we have come to the conclusion that Pakistan will not bring the perpetrators of 26/11 to justice. The Mumbai mastermind Hafiz Saeed continues to roam freely on the streets of Pakistan and make anti-India speeches threatening more Mumbai type attacks, despite the fact that the US has announced $10 million bounty on the information leading to his arrest and conviction for his involvement in 26/11. He actually can be seen as a guest on Pakistani TV shows everyday where he is treated like a celebrity. 'Hafeez Sahab' they call him. Indians are observing everything and Pakistan must remember that no matter how much it tries to hush up Mumbai, the people of India will not allow it to escape from its obligation to punish the Mumbai attackers and its planners. We shall neither forgive nor forget Mumbai. . I hope Pakistanis, who I believe are not bad people, would do the right thing in the end and say no to terrorism. Tell me if terrorism is stopped, why wouldn't we want to be friends with Pakistan?
magus Aug 13, 2012 09:18am
Most of the hateful Indian comments are from uneducated people, which should be clear from their language etc. I am no ambassador or politician but most people i know including the less educated ones like paanwallas, rickshaw pullers, drivers etc dont hate pakistan at all. Our school text books have almost no or little mention of Indo-Pak wars. People in the North of the country will have at worst neutral comments about Pakistan a la 'unkey ghar mein kyaa ho raha wo jaaney' or very positive ones like "aik baar to dekhna hai, apney jaisey hee log hain". South Indians probably think of Pakistan in the same breath as Dubai, Saudi, Afghanistan or any other foreign country. So yes we do have our share of maladjusted folks like some who comment here but mostly the man on the street is not negative on Pakistan or Pakistanis. There should be open travel as we get to know more of each other we will demonize each other less and hopefully be able to live peacefully.
John Aug 14, 2012 07:42am
Magus,have you read pakistani text books? Google it,and you will see. Read Dr.Farooq Saleem.
Shekhar Aug 13, 2012 09:23am
Dear Ghalib, What i meant was Indians either go the gulf to work or Europe, USA for holidays they dont go to places like Burma Somalia etc on holidays i dont get it, why would anybody visit Pakistan
khalid Aug 13, 2012 09:27am
true Indian color.. did you know that out of your top 5 tech and engineering schools in india five are run/started by donations from foreign countries?? One by russia, uk, US and couple others... Its a fact don't think I am just saying it because I am pakistani.
kabra Aug 13, 2012 01:11pm
Noone asks you to describe your community .
khalid Aug 13, 2012 09:35am
Sapan kapoor don't try to act all saintly.. Had you kept some regard for the wishes of Kashmiri majority you would not be hated by Pakistanis. You'll continue to see face this hatred for as long as you don't give Kashmiri issue to a just end.
chakraborty Aug 13, 2012 01:36pm
I agree with Hindustani - For Pakistanis we will always be Kafir, Munafiq, Jahil and Mushrik. Can Anyone in this Forum Say - Hindus will go to Heaven !!!!!!!!! No Every Paki think we will go to Hell and Burn . Then please tell me how peace is possible? @Hindustani _ Programmes like Ghazwa E Hind are telecasted and believed by common people. People are Happy that Hindus will be killed but there heart cries when a muslim is killed in Myannmar. Sorry Friends_ Love should be for all, Not only for your Islamic Ummah. If you follow this there will be peace forever.
True Indian Aug 13, 2012 02:12pm
Mr Khalid i am a Kishmiri, and working in India's IT capital Bangalore as Software teche...we do not want your hunger pak..we are happy in india,,yes we have some problems but we are working on this and very soon we will be more than happy..and listin Mr Khalid even now also we are very happy.. and one suggestion from my side, why you bothering about us, you just see your face, what is happening with Blocks, sindhis and with hindus..we are happy and you are not weclomed here.
True Indian,,, Aug 13, 2012 02:16pm
@ you people are not supporting good relation with india...and bcz of that you are suffering..and in Educaton we are the no 1 and come to india and see how far we are...US always cries that inidians has taken all the jobs....but you guys busy with terriosts...good luck..
chakraborty Aug 13, 2012 02:18pm
Yes She Can_ Gujrat is most developed state in India where even villages have 24 hr Electricity. She can Enjoy Garba, Eat Dhokla and go out even at 12:00 am at night safely. Yes but if she tries to burn trains or support it, she will not have a good time
Kailash Aug 13, 2012 02:19pm
Dost Hindustani...all the pakis are not culprit, thre are some good persons also...i have met some my paki friends you do believe that they do not want to talk about plz do not blame whole pak..but all the best Pak.
dawa Aug 13, 2012 02:21pm
Once bitten twice shy. We Indians are not evil but we've been deceived far too many times to believe you. If you continue this policy then it will be impossible for Pakistan to come out of this misery.
Kailash Aug 13, 2012 02:22pm
@ Naseer bhai..even i met so many Pakisthani where i was out..and you know i did not fell that we are from different country..we enjoyed like anything and it was superb experience and they invited me to visit pak, but i hope that situation will improve in pak and one day i wil visit pak.. Love from India to all who wish to be friend with us..
KNK Aug 13, 2012 02:23pm
From when have you been bestowed to pass such absurd comments on behalf of all Indians? You seem to represent the Hindu taliban which is not a very rare species in India but thankfully a lot of mentally balanced Indians have helped retain India as India.
chakraborty Aug 13, 2012 02:26pm
Akbar was declared confused heretic by Maulvis as he rejected Islam and made Din E Ilahi - A new religion. Most Sikh Gurus were killed by Muslims which lead to formation of Khalsa. We too hope same but dear problem is that its impossible. Indians post such comments because we are a wounded civilization.
Kailash Aug 13, 2012 02:26pm
@ Khalid..why all the time you talking about religion...i think you got training from some maulvi...improve you knowledge sir....otherwise come to Karchi, i heard there is a big mental hospital like you guys..all the best
Pritar Aug 14, 2012 11:29am
Looks like Sapan might have a personal connection to the Mumbai attack.
Guru Aug 14, 2012 10:53am
So Zeta, agree that your relationship with China is not worth the paper on which the treaty. China is also frayed with Pak. Last time the riots happened in Urumqi, Mushraf was there to calm the locals. Next time, China may not be so tolerant.
Hmmm Aug 13, 2012 02:53pm
Partition is God's best gift to us (India).
Kailash Aug 13, 2012 02:53pm
@ Krish bhai..Khalid do not know this as he got education from some molvi and he knows about only religion..ha haha
Ahmed Aug 13, 2012 02:55pm
What a retarded media is ours !! Look at the Indian media. They propagate hate against Pakistan everyday through their headlines. Guess what, everything against Pakistan sells like hot cakes in India. I have been following Times of India daily for last 1 year and they are the biggest hate mongers for Pakistan, a propaganda machine and this is just one example. We show their movies in our cinemas, we watch their dramas, love bollywood actors and actresses, so we don't have hard feelings as compared to them. They are haters.
jasus Aug 13, 2012 03:04pm
Khalid: people like you are the reason why Pakistan is in shambles and in hopeless state, look at the thumps down and you will see who are the majorities. Open up your mind, get rid of India obsession and jealousy, these are just little things to start with, and get a life!
Syed Rizvi Aug 13, 2012 03:13pm
Khalid - A piece of Hadith for yoy: "Shall I not inform you of a better act than fasting, alms, and prayers? Making peace between one another: enmity and malice tear up heavenly rewards by the roots" - Prophet Mohammad PBUH. What we know about Kargil is what we are told by Pakistan Military & I don't think that they are all honest about it. The partition was a horrible tragedy for Muslims and Hindus. We all have paid a heavy price and still paying. I can't imagine what great heights we can achieve if we end this hate toward each other. In the end, in this holy month of Ramadan I pray for all Hindus, Muslim, Christians and all the other minorities. May Allah Bless us All-
dhiraj garg Aug 14, 2012 10:49am
Its very odd and amazing to read that someone from pakistan finally accepts that they were originally the people of this land. I have full sympathy with you for all the pain the people suffered due to discrimination. but my simple question to you is that Does changing your faith also means changing your loyalty towards your country?? how and when muslims of this country become a separate nation when they were converted from original hindus and continue to follow the culture even after conversion and how can any aggressors on your country/ motherland become your hero just because he/she belongs to same faith?? these were the two core pillars of Two nation theory leading to partition and still continuing it. if you are not loyal to your own mother/motherland , whom else can you be loyal to???
Hmmm Aug 13, 2012 03:21pm
Islam says there is only one god. And all other are non believers. So they are Infidels. But allow them to live Hinduism says All faith lead to one God. Everything is God's creation. Learn to live with it.
Jawwad Aug 13, 2012 03:52pm
Our Hafiz Saeed is your Bal Thackarey. Doesn't he roam freely on the streets of India too? So, whatever happened to the Samjhota Express bombing that Hindu extremist organizations arranged killing scores of Pakistanis? Has anything ever happened with that case? Your Gujrat Chief Minister openly encouraged killing of 2500 Muslims, WHAT HAPPENED to MODI? Why is he our freely roaming streets of India?
Jawwad Aug 13, 2012 03:59pm
You visit Pakistan because it is the birth place of great religions Hinduism and Buddhism. You visit Pakistan to see the natural beauty of it's Northern Areas once described by early Westerners as Switzerland of India, now Pakistan )no disrespect intended. You visit Pakistan to witness the hospitality of locals who would take the last bite of food from their children to feed to their guests. (smiles) No hate only love from Pakistan my dear Shankar. (And you also visit Pakistan to see the homes of Deleep Kumar, Raj Kapoor and Shahrukh Khan.
Jawwad Aug 13, 2012 04:12pm
Wow, what a well thought argument.
Roger Aug 14, 2012 11:22am
Simply put, I loved Faiza's article, and am touched. I feel that all the negative comments here must be coming from Indians who have not met Pakistanis in their lives. I have met many Pakistanis and have always had wonderful interactions with them - be it in the UK, the USA, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, etc.. I would LOVE to visit Pakistan one day soon, and experience the warmth of the beautiful people of that country and also be able to visit some of the really beautiful parts of the country. I know I will someday soon! May sensible people like Faiza continue to grow in strength. With lots of love to the Pakistanis on this board., including Khalid :-) - from a proud "Indian Hindu"
Visa office Aug 13, 2012 04:28pm
Visa is denied..!
Sonny Azhak Aug 13, 2012 04:49pm
Khalid, My dear are ignorant of history. Firstly, princely states were allowed to choose whichever country they want to align with or choose independence. The maharaja of Kashmir chose to accede to India via the Instrument of Accession only after Jinnah unleashed the Pak army and Pashtun tribesmen who went on a pillaging and raping spree! The 1948 UN Resolutions explicitly states that Pakistan must vacate the parts it now occupies,which it hasn't,thereby making that UN resolution null and void! Kargil was not a riposte to Saichen. Indeed, Pakistan tried to snatch that territory from India but lost out after it fell into India's trap.
rizwan Aug 13, 2012 05:03pm
"Tell me if terrorism is stopped, why wouldn't we want to be friends with Pakistan? " Because you think we are "occupying" a part of Kashmir that you think a despot had right to sign over to India.
rizwan Aug 13, 2012 05:04pm
Ah yes, always the token "Kishmiri" online! Tamil, Punjabi, Bengali... what does it matter? When you're behind a computer, you can even be Kashmiri!
rizwan Aug 13, 2012 05:06pm
"India has never attacked Pakistan" 1971. And yet you say we are the ones who meddle in your "internal affairs."
Jarnail Singh Aug 13, 2012 05:07pm
Easiest and quickest way to make good relations between two countries is DISBAND Intelligence agencies. They are the biggest terror generating machine in WHOLE WORLD. And terror thing happens in the world, it is somehow related to Pakistan or Pakistanis. I am Indian. People of Pakistan are THE BEST IN WORLD. And they have high regard for Indians especially Punjabi's so do Indians for Pakistani people. Why I say Punjabi's. Because I am Indian Punjabi and I have heard wonderful loving stories about Pakistani Punjabis. My father studies at FC College Lahore.
Rakesh Aug 13, 2012 05:12pm
If every muslim majority village or city or state within India was supposed to be part of Pakistan, then the reverse should be true for every Hindu majority areas within Pakistan. Of course this was not possible. Junagarh shared borders neither with East nor West Pakistan. Every borderline king also had the option to go independent. Kasmir king first chose that. King, whether Hindu or Muslim is still a king of his kingdom. That way, most of majority Hindu India was ruled by minority Muslim kings. Anyway, I wish we could discuss these issues peacefully rather than through killings.
kaly Aug 13, 2012 05:19pm
Few elements? ha...the whole pakistani army is anti indian, don't you know that? Few people like this writer, Nadeem F Paracha and few others are good secular people, but common Pakistanis are very rigid, blindly follows whatever Mulla says and don't respect other religion, thats why minorities are in miserable condition in Pakistan. If you donot understand what is good or bad for you, no one can help you(there is a proverb, God help those who helps themselves). As of now I don't see any reason why an Indian should visit Pakistan.
kaly Aug 13, 2012 05:25pm
Yes, we are thankful To Mr.Jinnah, but so many are here and some of them are real idiots, few days backs they were fighting for illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and the same people do not care for their own countrymen. However I am glad to see many young Pakistanis who are commenting in this newspaper are real secular minded and probably in decades, we will be real friends...lets hope of the best...
kaly Aug 13, 2012 05:30pm
Vineeth bhai - Khali pili kahe ko diwar pe apna sar thok rahe ho?
Pragmatic Realist Aug 13, 2012 05:55pm
Why bother? It is not worth it. We have Indian muslims who we love (barring few) and who chose to be with India for a reason. Let there be a permanent wall from ground to sky between India and Pakistan. It will be better for people on either side of the border. Walls are better than bullets..... Love and peace will prevail on either side and everywhere after that.
AHA Aug 13, 2012 06:00pm
I am surprised by the number of posts (apparently) from Indians painting all pakistanis with the same brush. And you call us the intollerent ones, amazing. I guess the people of sub-contintent share the same traits after all, their respective religions notwithstanding.
JP Singh Aug 13, 2012 06:10pm
People are bitter after the Parliament Attack and Mumbai. Pakistan Government has dragged its feet at every step on the mumbai issue by giving one excuse or the other and this leads to people in India believing that elements of the state from Pakistan were involved in Mumbai. It plays on the minds of the people here. We have nothing against the common people of Pakistan.
Roger Aug 14, 2012 12:28pm
Simply put, I loved Faiza's article, and am touched. I feel that all the negative comments here must be coming from Indians who have not met Pakistanis in their lives. I have met many Pakistanis and have always had wonderful interactions with them - be it in the UK, the USA, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, etc.. I would LOVE to visit Pakistan one day soon, and experience the warmth of the beautiful people of that country and also be able to visit some of the really beautiful parts of the country. I know I will someday soon!
AKA ANDANI Aug 13, 2012 06:48pm
AKA ANDANI Aug 13, 2012 06:49pm
KHAN Aug 13, 2012 06:52pm
aaa Aug 13, 2012 07:06pm
Everyone has his /her own version of history really difficult to know who is telling the truth.
Just Live! Aug 13, 2012 07:13pm
What shocks me even now is the hatred that I get from the comments from these Indians. Don't get me wrong not all of you wrote as such but majority wrote with such apparent cynicism that it shocks. I've been shunned by Indians for the mere fact that I am Muslim. Theres Hindu extremism in India too yet we all overlook that.
Blaster Aug 13, 2012 07:32pm
66 years and what have you achieved. Both countries were born at the same time. After Jinnah, sorry to say every other ruler of your country has looted you and the country. Its happening even now. Educated people of Pakistan should fight against homegrown terrorism and educate the younger generation that living peacefully means respecting other religions too. We are tired of your India fixation, when we see people like Hafeez saed and Dawood Ibrahim walking freely. It needs both hands to clap, and ofcourse India has never done what is being done by Pakistan now. Times have changed and we have to change too. Corrupt ministers are there in India too, but they dont loot and scoot as seen in Pakistan. Take the example of Musharraf, the most untrusted Pakistani for Indians. When Nawaz sherif was shaking hands with Vajpayee, Musharraf was conniving to conquer India. What happened in the end? His whole idea blew up on his face. He nor his army never even took back the bodies of Pakistani soldiers killed in Kargil. What kind of a monster was he? All the while he was stacking his millions in UAE and UK. Pakistan can only succeed the day when Military is seperated from ruling the people and business is run by normal people and not by your armed forces. Sad to say that unless educated people educate the illiterate its never going to happen, and the India bashing and teaching hatred to children needs to be stopped. Yes I met a Pakistani woman, who is a Govt official, and she wanted to know how India was empowering the women. Give women of Pakistan their space and freedom first and be liberal. There is an eye of suspicion over pakistan whatever happens. If that needs to be changed, and if both needs to be friends then first hang Hafeez saeed and deport Dawood Ibrahim.
ajay Aug 13, 2012 08:49pm
Faiza thnx & cngrts for this beautiful piece. now a word to THE HINDUS & MUSALMAANS. bhaiya, zara qaidey sey history padh lo. yaqeen karen aap donon eik doosrey sey muhabbat karney lagoge. history mushkil lage toh qurrtul ain haider ke novel aag ka darya padh dalo. manto ka afsana toba tek singh hee padh lo. william dalrymple ki the last mughal bhee aapko faydaa karegi. jaantey hain aap, bahadur shah (1857) ke sabz mughal parcham ko lekar ladney waley zyadatar purbiya sipahee upper caste hindus they. I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT BOTH HINDUSTAN AND PAKISTAN ARE SUFFERING JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T STUDY.
does not matter Aug 13, 2012 08:55pm do you know what was people's wish of JK in 1947? Was there a referendum? The Hindu king did not want to join either Pakistan or India and probably could have gone for independent nation but Jinnah sent the tribal troops. The kind had fear of his life and so decided to join India. India does not occupy kashmir, Pakistan does. You have no right on Kashmir.What you guys did with KP and Balochistan? Your leaders tricked them into joining Pakistan and now look at their condition.The Indian Kashmir is doing far better than balochistan in Pakistan.Your punjabi army would have sold Kashmir to Chinese just like they did with some part of Gilgit-Baltistan. The siachen was a proactive measure by Indian army since your troops were planning to capture the no mans land and looking at the track of uncontrolled pakistani army, it can could not be trusted.
alok Aug 13, 2012 09:07pm
how many time they come in ur country and explode himself in name of allah
shaquil Aug 13, 2012 09:09pm
u r right my brother.
sunanda Aug 13, 2012 09:09pm
come with flowers and please leave guns at home
Zahid Aug 13, 2012 09:10pm
Seems like dawn has been invaded by fanatics. Funny how those who do not want to have anything to do with Pakistan regularly post comments on its leading daily.
kart Aug 14, 2012 01:03pm
Sir, While your thoughts are high-minded and laudable, IMHO Pakistan currently is an unstable state... your internal security is under severe threat from home-grown terrorists, taliban etc... and there is a huge question mark as to the direction in which Pakistan is headed... so to make our borders porous under the present circumstances would not be wise... We have our own security to consider... and our problems with Nepal cannot be equated to our problems with Pakistan... both are as different as they can be...
Vikas Aug 13, 2012 10:29pm
You are not a normal India. You are one of Jundal's . It's not late yet. Your grandparents made missed the bus in 1947. You can take one now.
Vikas Aug 13, 2012 10:37pm
Please don't ever come to India. Khuda ke vaaste.
Rajeev Anantaram Aug 14, 2012 12:59pm
Terrorism and strife was not what Faiza Mirza's article was about. It warmly suggested allowing each other (at least those so inclined) to share a culture, which they should be allowed to rightfully claim as theirs. As the late Rajiv Gandhi said during a state visit to Pakistan in 1989," Agra and Lucknow are as much a part of your culture, as Taxila and Harappa are ours...". This is so true and to the vanishing tribe of multiculturists to which I proudly belong, the ability to include Taxila, Harappa and even lahore and Peshawar as part of My culture is a source of immense cultural strength and confidence. Nowhere does this call for redrawing national boundaries! The sub-continent was, is and will remain a syncretic culture! It cannot be wished away. Let us **please preserve and cherish** an unmatched legacy. 65 years of chest thumping have got us nowhere! It is probably time for a new idea! All it needs is an open mind. Happy Independence day India and Pakistan.
Rajan Aug 13, 2012 10:43pm
Thanks for a positive article. There are narrow-minded, hateful people everywhere, but I don't think they are the majority anywhere. And, a lot of the animosity may be based upon ignorance. If the governments would make it easier for Indians and Pakistanis to visit each other, that will promote better relations. Increasing bilateral trade would also be important. Let us hope these things happen. The alternative is to live in ignorance, mutual animosity and suspicion; and the rest of the world will laugh at us.
Syed M Nazim Aug 13, 2012 10:44pm
The biggest hurdel in the normal movement or visitors between india and Pakistan are political parties and leaders.They dont allow easy visa facilities even to senior citizens of the divided families in the sub continant. Tell me how on earth these dying old people can be danger to peace. Can any body in Pakistan or India give a single example of terrorist activity by visiting senior citizen. Getting visa by these unfortunate seniors is a hell of job.Travelling modes are treacherous and expensive.Where is Gandhi sprit. Are Human Rights Commissions of the two countries not sleeping. What is International Human Rights Commission doing? The leaders of the counties are heartless. If visits by senior citizens can not be facilitated forget about people to people contacts ever after.
besharam Aug 14, 2012 04:53am
yeah she will if u have have the guts to move to balochistan FATA or khyber pakhtunwa .. or even lyari n lower dungeons of karachi ..!!!
concerned Pakistani Aug 14, 2012 12:58pm
Indians have never accepted Pakistan. Nehru is to be blamed for the root cause of trouble. So called democratic country denying the same right to Kashmiris. Babri mosque insidence by Hindu fundamemtalists. killing muslims in india never stopped, look at Assam. samjota train bombing by an Indian building Damns and the list is long. Hindus fundos attacking catholic churches why does India have a dozen consulates on the Afghan border. India has always had expantionist motives. plenty of extremists in India including some political parties that would love the destruction of Pakistan. stop believing what you see on the Indian cinema, that is not reality. India has more poverty, subjugation of Dalit, killing of girls at birth and millions of childeren livivng in worst conditions than subsahara Africa. thanks but no thanks to India. you keep your problems, Pakistan has enough of its own. .
NORI Aug 14, 2012 12:59pm
Read Wikipedia and you get the no. of Muslims as well as Hindus killed during the riots.. By the way, your favorite PTT and its sister terrorist organizations killed 35000 Muslims in Pakistan. What words do you exactly use for such a large scale murder.. genocide ?? Your army and para military forces are behind the murder of thousands of Balochis... and even an elderly person such as Nawab Bugti wasn't spared... I nwver knew that there would be beneficiaries for tragedy events, so who was the beneficiary of 2010 floods and suicide bombings, mass killings in Pakistan ??
Akil Akhtar Aug 13, 2012 11:55pm
Then what are you doing reading this newspaper
Gautam Aug 14, 2012 12:05am
@Khalid....Even if thats the case it doesnt matter ! You can learn a lesson from this, 'How not to turn tech and engineering schools into madressahs and terrorist training organisations !! You get the point?
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 12:06am
This overblown sense of importance of the indians is like the character sheikh Chilli. Indians got great hospitality from Pakistanis during circket but our visitors to india did not even get that, our team bus was pelted with eggs and stones. Your hatred is 64 years old nothign to do with Mumbai attack or terrorism, it is due to the partition which you have not accepted yet. Your role in Bangladesh is well known so don't tell us about betrayal or stabbing in the back.
Gautam Aug 14, 2012 12:08am
@Pranav....Did you loose a loved one on 26/11/2008? I hope not..
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 12:10am
what was the reason of your hatred before the parliament or Mumbai attack. The attacks have just given legitimacy to your 64 year old hatred in your eyes. In reality the hatred is all coming from your side, There is no hatred in any of our media or newspapers contrary to your media. I don't see any mentionable number of Pakistanis reading indian newspapers or commenting negatively but you are flocking to ours inspite of saying you don't care.
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 12:15am
Indians seem to be growing the same mentatlity that the americans have. Do as we say not as we do. One rule for smaller Pakistan another for themselves.
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 12:17am
In that case our reasosns for opposing india came first Kashmir, Siachen, bangladesh to anme a few...
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 12:20am
Well said, a saner voice from india. As long as your politicians continue to use Pakistan as a punching bag the hatred will continue as in any society 95% of people are just sheeps who follow and only 5% can think for themselves.
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 12:21am
Agree, I don't know wahts wrong with these Pakistanis who keep writing article after article to promote indian point of view but nothing to ever support Pakistan. While they get paid by pakistan
REHAN OMAR Aug 14, 2012 01:04am
Shekhar Karachi is 10 times better then mumbai-delhi-calcutta-bangalore. You will be amazed to see Pakistan Karachi-Lahore-Islamabad-Murree/bhurban-Swat. Our motor way,Our Port Grand,Our Lahore Food street,Our Big roads.Even Huge issues Pakistan is still better then India. I have been to india 4 times and none match the Pakistani Cities. My wish to have indian tourist into Pakistan and Pakistani tourist into India. My wish to finish of these idiot Politican and make visa very easy for each other. My wish we can leave in peace. Most of the indian try to be very over smart but keep in mind We Pakistani are just smart
Kashmiri Aug 14, 2012 01:10am
Go and check simple cricket match between India and any other weird country like Zimbabwe (Kashmiri never india should in-spite of knowing that India is better side.. so it is hatred for India)..India is story is cunning promises.
REHAN OMAR Aug 14, 2012 01:13am
Bro yes for Pakistanis RELEGION COMES FIRST WE WOULD PREFER MUSLIMS AND I THINK 35% OF INDIANS ARE MUSLIMS. Secondly relegion is personal matter so now things have change here and people wants to make freindship with indians as we watch Bollywood alot and the educated class of Pakistan thinks highly of India. Bringing the educated class will bring peace and harmony.Also you hindus indian doesnt understand that we muslims were hindus once and we converted due to your caste system. So the fault lies within your system.Your low caster hindus converted to Muslims and now you hate them. The being of PAKISTAN was the result of the hatred of hindus towards Muslims. And you guys do such properganda all the time against pakistan and then tell us we hate you Kindly correct yourself sir
Kashmiri Aug 14, 2012 01:13am
I have still to find Kashmiri you loves India..May be one among those indian who occupied our land
REHAN OMAR Aug 14, 2012 01:15am
Vineeth Aug 14, 2012 09:57am
Achieving peace between India and Pakistan is a very uphill task. For an average person who struggles daily to make his ends meet, Indo-Pak issues may not matter at all. But that is not the case with the 'educated' middle class, who have been fed with their respective biased versions of the events from childhood. There have been numerous mistakes committed by both sides since 1947, and each side continue to defend their mistakes to the fullest. Hopefully, both sides will realize one day that admitting one's mistakes is the first step towards reconciliation.
porkchop Aug 14, 2012 01:34am
and you need to move back to a place name "hell',
Jay Aug 14, 2012 01:46am
We wish Pakistan all the best, but most of Indians don't want anything to do with Pakistan. Leave us alone and try to be peaceful.
Deepak Talwar Aug 14, 2012 01:55am
No matter where one lives, one needs to have a wonderful relationship with neighbours, especially next door neighbours. If you have this, everybody's happy and helpful and positive and productive. But when neighbours are bickering and fighting all the time there is tension and misery and unhappiness. Take your own neighbourhood or community as an example to see if this is true. This applies to countries as well. Both of our countries have many internal challenges which are badly neglected because the mindless tension and one-upmanship between us is consuming so many precious resources. Therefore, for our own good and well being, we must be nice to each other and be good neighbours. This simple logic is what our dear old Prime Minister, Shri Manmohan Singh, has been advocating for a long time.
ahmed Aug 14, 2012 02:04am
As a Pakistani, I agree. Pakistan should FORGET Kashmir. What is the main reason? Pakistan can't even manage the 4 provinces that we have, we can't even manage one City, what the hell are we going to do with Kashmir? For Kashmiris, to Partner with Pakistan will be suicide.
ahmed Aug 14, 2012 02:10am
As a Pakistani, I totally agree Hindustani. Our Country, Pakistan was doing great till Mr. Bhutto's era. After that Islamization era came thanks to Mr. Zia Ul Haq and ever since then.. everything is history.
GPK Aug 14, 2012 02:24am
Shekhar, have you ever met a Pakistani? Have you ever met a Pakistani family? If you are in India, you probably have no chance to meet. I have chance to meet many Pakistani families as I am a NRI. They are wonderful people as bubbly and fun loving as we Indians are. We had a young couple from Pakistan, with a three years old daughter. She became so attached to us, that she became a part of family. And then that couple shifted to Dubai. That young fellow, just opened the door of the taxi, and ran towards me and my wife, and clinged to us, pleading us to ask her parents, not to take her away. Her parents were openly crying. We felt a loss for weeks together (and feel it now also). At no point, I feel hatred towards Pakistanis. I cannot. But yes, I feel hatreds towards the politicians and the media (on both sides). Heart in heart, everybody knows (you and me included) that the neighbours cannot remain enemies forever, the "ultimate" is friendship and co existence.
Salman Aug 14, 2012 02:31am
just a word to the author, look outside ur rich house and you will realize its only you and your westernised friends who are dying to go to india, you are a disgrace. Please dont try to impose your views on others and dont twist survey results, yes most people want friendly realtions with india, doesn't mean they want to open border. Please stop misguiding people
Sal Aug 14, 2012 02:33am
@Faiza Mirza, living in london I have met and known a lot of indians, at the end of the day you will find out they only think negative about you (even after months) and all they think abt is India, the time of ashuka. Please stop spreading false information.
Sonia Aug 14, 2012 02:44am
You are right that the Kashmiri territories were not given to Pakistan.. But the question is were they given to India! Absolutely not! So, the question is why Kashmiris are not given their right to ;decide' their political future?
Syed Shah Aug 14, 2012 02:48am
India is on a high right now and has fully exploited the Pakistani weakness of extremism and terrorism. We cannot deny it. That apart there is great liking for each others on an individual basis, people to people which is never a problem. The problem arises with politics. When Nepal and India can have a visa free travel, not that they do not have problems, why not India and Pakistan. Indians have a lot to see in Pakistan and Pakistanis have a lot to see in India. Why not open borders and see what happens. If there are problems India has a huge machinery to handle it and so does Pakistan. What is the security apparatus paid for? Lets struggle for a visa free travel for at least two years and then see the results.
Sonia Aug 14, 2012 02:48am
@ "True Indian'... I don't want to infuriate you but I really doubt either your 'identity as a Kashmiri' or at least your 'integrity with Kashmiris'. it is quite obvious from your comment that you have forgot the atrocities of Indian armies since 1947. If Kashmiris are comfortable with Indian government then why hundreds of Kashmiris are brutally killed every year to nip their voice for freedom! I can understand that your views might have changes while living in India but you need to be considerate of the condition of OTHER Kashmiris too!
Syed Shah Aug 14, 2012 02:51am
So true! The European History is chequered with wars and wars. Only since WWII they are at peace with each other.
Sonia Aug 14, 2012 03:00am
Good view
Bikram Singh Aug 14, 2012 03:43am
dear faiza , its great to see you that love india and accept it openly. love and regards Bikram
Suraj Aug 14, 2012 03:50am
@author: I wounder how come 80% of Pakistanis willing to have good relations with Hindu India??? Because, Pakistanis are on the ride to eliminate all Hindus or convert them to Islam.. we have seen a Hindu boy conversion on national television hurting several Hindus across the globe.....
West Aug 14, 2012 04:00am
LOL! tha is the exact reason you are reading and commenting here. typical bigotry fermenting from East.
peace Aug 14, 2012 04:13am
Indian you should comment but no ill comments. I always see negative comments comments coming from South Indians. Why North Indians do not share your views? Also, 90% do not realize that they are targeting the section of Pakistani populace who is very pro-peace and pro-India. I personally, love Indians but when I read your comments I feel like I have been fool. I should listen to Hafiz Saeed since he knows Indians better but I know he was wrong, he will be wrong. It is a platform for Indians to win hearts of Indians who really want peace with Paksitan.
Sami Aug 14, 2012 04:31am
Pakistanis, like this author, continue to be deceitful. These feelings are one sided and we indians never ever want anything to do with the terrorist pakistan. Now that you guys are in dumps literally begging you will put a splendid performance worthy of an oscar.We have seen it all many times before the world has seen it already. We dont' want pakistanis enetering India.
Akil Akhtar Aug 14, 2012 04:33am
The indian hatred is due to 1000 years of muslim rule which Indira thought she had avenged in bangladesh but it does not seem to ahve subsided. They see Pakistan as a continuation of that Muslim rule.....So the reason is very deep not somethign new.
pandit Aug 14, 2012 04:35am
unfortunately even pakistanis are not safe in pakistan ..
MKB Aug 14, 2012 04:47am
khalid, what is your problem? are you kashmiri? You think, how badly you treat your monority, even you do not spare your your co-religionist - shia Muslim and you do not consider Ahemedias are also Muslmin.
Aditya Aug 14, 2012 04:36am
"Beshak mandir masjid todo, Bulle Shah ye kehta, par pyar bhara dil kabhi na todo isme dilbar rehta". She has been so nice to our country and you guys are dissing her. I would hate to imagine how she would be feeling after reading these comments. Come on Indian people please be nice to Faiza. Quit the arrogance and accept love with grace.
mood-kharab kardala. Aug 14, 2012 04:46am
go back to ur slumber.. musharaf who launched kargil n got defeated was good for u to deal ... ? the problem with india is india ALSO has billions of cowards like you .. who are burden on humanity n society....
Madan Aug 14, 2012 04:47am
Very factual material indeed.I wish the writer's desires are fulfilled one day.Yes,India is really beautiful from all angles and is prospering with modern technology.As rightly mentioned,I am friend of many Pakistanis not only in the USA where I live but in Pakistan also.
pandit Aug 14, 2012 04:49am
bro either u r born on wrong side of border or u watch too many of our indian films ? :-D
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 04:51am
Well she wrote something nice about India so had to reply.
Vijay Dixit Aug 14, 2012 04:57am
Our negative experiences with Pakistan since 1947,make it very difficult for us to relent on easy travel visas with Pakistan.A large number who come on proper visas do not return to their country.This problem of silent aggression is being faced from BanglaDesh also .Hence the reluctance to relent.Let us continue to live separately & happily till we understand to adjust to each other.Having read & heard about Pakistani claims about flying their flag from the Red Fort & Islamising India by the use of sword are not the signs of friendship.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 04:58am
4 years ago 10 Pakistanis came via sea from Karachi to Mumbai and killed 167 people. We have every reason to despise Pakistan.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:00am
Just wanted to wish you on your Independence Day.
suresh Aug 14, 2012 05:02am
I agree with you Ghalib, one has to be normal to understand people. Just because there are few terrorist, you cant blame the entire country and the population who just want to work and live a peaceful life like we all do. Thank you Faizaf - I can assure you Indians will make your stay very very happy. I for one definitely wants to visit Pakistan and see Lahore, Karachi and mostly Mohonjodaro, wish in my lifetime I will have that opportunity, even though I live in Melbourne (born Indian) but love Pakistanis as I met so many during my last 25 years in Middle East and Western Countries, and always willing to help. Long Live Peace.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:02am
Was 26/11 Mumbai attack part of your freedom struggle?
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:04am
Pak Occupied Kashmir?
Komal S Aug 14, 2012 05:08am
Only caveat is, if you agree their ways is as legitimate, their religion says everything else is false. So you need to be prepared to accept that that point of you. As followers of Abrahamic religion they cannot say Hinduism is as legitimate as their own. The best they can do is allow others to exists and follow their religion.
chakraborty Aug 14, 2012 05:10am
Pakistani Hatred is becoz even after 1000 years india is Hindu dominated. When Britishers came 75% ~ 80% of Subcontinent was under Hindus Rule. Bahadur Shah Zafar was in disgrace in Delhi. Pakistani Hatred is because of Jealousy, Stigma of being called terrorist all over the world. You lost 4 wars, Lost half of your country still so adamant, Wow - I salute you
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:10am
Pakistanis se khud ka ghar toh sambhalta nahi hai, chale hai duniya pe raj karne...
Maj. Gaurav Arya Aug 14, 2012 05:13am
My Dear Indian Friends, Ms. Faiza is trying to bridge differences between the two countries in her own way. I would request you to be a little more graceful in your comments. The lady is speaking about a peaceful future. It has nothing to do with being Muslim or Hindu, Indian or Pakistani. I have served in the Indian Army, stood guard with a rifle on the Line of Control and served in Kashmir. I have fought against the Pakistani Army, and I dont hate them. They are as good and as bad as us, and as equally confused. We connot live in a state of constant strife with Pakistan. Not all terrorist attacks that take place on Indian soil are "sponsored" by the Government of Pakistan. They are normal people with normal issues like us - load shedding, political corruption, terrorism, inflation etc.
Muhammad Umair Aug 14, 2012 09:56am
No Indians went to Pakistan? Our media fails to promote Indian terrorism in Pakistan. Your's does great job of it. It's you, the big brother, who should accept the reality of Pakistan and come out of denial mode. Just last month Pakistan released Indian spy who confessed being Indian spy and confessed to aid terrorists. Indian agencies kill thousand of Pakistanis via proxy terrorists every year but our media keeps quiet. I admit India does far better job of concealing what it's doing in Pakistan. While Pakistan has incompetents ruling.
Anwar Chaudhry Aug 14, 2012 05:18am
You Hindoos Indian are more "terrorist and extremist" than Pakistan go back to Gujrat where you killed 2500 your own Muslims citizens and also dont forget Golden Temple of Amritsar where Indian Army Killed every one in side the Groodawara. Further who is beneficery of 26/11 ? Be realistic...
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:18am
Sir, Mumbai attack was indeed sponsored by the Pakistani government and army. I, however, agree with you that we don't hate the Pakistanis, just their terrorists and extremists.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:19am
It has everything to do with the Mumbai attacks.
abhi Aug 14, 2012 05:22am
Count me out.. i dont want to go :-)
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:23am
Come out of denial mode you Pakistani Muslims. Call spade a spade and see how the whole world today's pointing fingers at Pakistan.
Imran Aug 14, 2012 05:23am
Khalid why are we resorting to falsifying facts to cover our own failure? This is the reason why our country is internationally recognized as a failed state. Your comment shows that you along with the majority of our people persist to live in denial and isolation.
MKB Aug 14, 2012 05:24am
Yes kahalid I know, First IIT in Kharagpur(West Benal )was set-up by the aid from USSR, we have used that aid for education & knowledge, See the result, Today Indian IIT's are one of hte best tech. institution in the world. But you use all aid in initial years for buying amrs and luxaury. Today India has stoped taking any loan either from IMF or world Bank, but you have to spend 70% of your earning for your debt servicing. Today even you do not have good hospital to take care of the health your people. Many Pakistani turned to India to get better medical facility. Regarding Kashmir, you better read bit of history, how Kashmir problem errupted, what is the UN ressolution etc. If you really interested I can recomand a book, " The Freedom at Midnight" by Dominique Lapeire & Larry Colince The Army, Politician of your country do not let you know the real dispute over Kashmir, because that does not suits them.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:28am
Mumbai attack has changed the way Indians look at Pakistan. When will you Pakistanis understand this?
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:30am
Can't take chances with Pakistanis after Mumbai attacks.
Sumit Aug 14, 2012 05:32am
Because like all other minorities they are victims of chauvinist Pakistani males!
Malik Aug 14, 2012 05:33am
The fact that is that in the decade or so when India found a wealth piggy back riding on the shoulders of US, they have gained overconfidence to reject peaceful overtures towards Pakistan. Pakistan on the other hand lost its strategic depth and the war on terror has effected the country very negatively. Prior to this, Pakistanis who visited India found it to be aborringly poor and problem prone. The fact also remains that ONCE and WHEN Pakistanis IA put their house in order, which is bound to happen as Pakistan of 50s, 60s, 80s and 90s has consistently achieved better results in all arena than India be it Sports, Economics or other spheres, so when Pakistan gets back on Track, the desire to make peace will India will die down as INDIA has shown that when it has a little stronger footing will NOT let go any opportunity to destroy Pakistan or atleast dream of it. INDIANs in general are NOT bad people but they have alot of divisions and lots of internal strife. They are afraid of the idea of propersous Pakistan as they know it will cause them to be divided further in pieces - which is also bound to happen sooner or later.
Aditya Aug 14, 2012 05:34am
100% Agree
Sumit Aug 14, 2012 05:36am
Kailash mere dost, "naseer" bhai nahin hai behn hai...... Maryam aapa!
Malik Aug 14, 2012 05:37am
dawn needs to stop appeasing the Indians and abstain from printing their venomous comments on this Pakistani forum. Times of India will never allow Pakistanis to post anything negative about India on their forums.
Ranveer Aug 14, 2012 05:37am
Thanks M/s Faiza. Although apprehensive about too much bonhomie after Mumbai and parliament attacks i still feel there is room form good relations between India and Pakistan if Pakistan seriously punish the culprits of Mumbai and other attacks in India. I would also urge my Indian mates to refrain hateful comments as a good attempt towards repairing the relations should be met with good intentions or at least with positive comments
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:41am
Neither do we care about what you Indians think of us.
Ranveer Aug 14, 2012 05:41am
:) food for thought...
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:42am
You should watch your own backyard mate. From Kashmir to Assam, There are freedom struggles everywhere. Maoists controls half of india
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:44am
Well I am a Kashmiri and i love Pakistan and no way want to be associated with india. Kashmir is occupied by india and you should abide by UN resolutions to hold plebiscite
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:45am
Its called Azad Kashmir. They have their own PM and President
Sumit Aug 14, 2012 05:45am
I'm very interested in knowing which IIT is run by the Russians and which one by the British?!! Please quote the source of your "knowledge"..........oh wait,it must be the 10 th grade textbook on "Hating India- a complete study" by Hafeez Saeed! If I may add- LOL!
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:46am
Disband Indian intelligence agencies for they are involved in killings of thousands of people in Balochistan and FATA/KP
Rajiv Aug 14, 2012 05:47am
I would like to appreciate the writting of this author, and i will pray to god to keep this distance forever so we could get to read such wonderful writting in future also. honestly speaking as an indian i dont want to fight with pakistan neither i want them to land on my country.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:48am
By Whole world, You mean to say USA and INDIA. These two countries doesn't constitute whole world of 206 sovereign states
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 05:53am
Its no surprise to me that even Good comments by Pakistanis are down voted by Hateful Tells you how much bigoted nation india has become
Aldo Aug 14, 2012 05:57am
Reading this wonderful piece by Ms. Mirza and most of th comments for the most part, I think perhaps the people who partitioned India should not have used reliion but how people could be categorized on a "fanaticism" and "tolerance" scale:. All the fanatics who didn't want to live in harmony (Muslms, Hindus, SIkhs, etc.) to one land, while the tolerant to another. It would have worked out better. From 1947 to today, guess which side would have annihilated each other so the "tolerant" could have repossessed their land. Just a thought for Independence Day! Have a Happy One!
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 05:58am
Doodh mangoge toh kheer denge, Kashmir mangoge toh cheer denge...
Ahmed Sultan Aug 14, 2012 05:59am
ya in counting number of people being killed everyday karachi is 100 times better not only than mumbai-delhi-calcutta-bangalore but also from Newyork-london and paris.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:00am
No Indians went to Pakistan and butchered your civilians like what 10 Pakistani terrorists did on 26/11 in Mumbai. Come out denial mode, it's high time.
MKB Aug 14, 2012 06:01am
Dear Khalid, There is an instrument or law passed by British parliament and is called as “Instrument of Succession" Under this act all princely state (about 576) has the right to join India or Pakistan. After Cyril Radcliffe had demarcated boundary of Pakistan in the West and East of India, it was the time for the princely state to use their franchise. Three princely state, Hyderabad, ruled by Nizam, Junagadh ruled by Mohammad Mahabat Khanji-III and state of Jammu & Kashmir ruled by Hari Singh.. Both Junagadh & Hyderabad have Hindu subject and surrounded by India from all side. Both the Nawab & Nizam want to join Pakistan undermining the whishes of the people.India stepped in and annexes both the state. Kashmir was different history. I can not write so lengthy details here.To know it better, pls. read a book written by a foreigner.he name of the book is “Freedom at Midnight” by Dominique Laepire & Larry Colince.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:01am
No we call it Pak Occupied Kashmir.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:03am
Baluchi freedom fighters are being killed by Pakistan's Frontier corps and the agencies. Read what the CJ of Pakistan has to say on this issue, on the plight of missing persons from Baluchistan.
MKB Aug 14, 2012 06:05am
Akil, it pays, better you also try to develop American or Indian menatlity.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:06am
Add China for spreading extremism in Xinxiang province and the UK to that list too. And Afghanistan also points fingers at Pakistan these days. So much for Pakistan's state sponsored terrorism.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:08am
Really? Recently I read in Dawn that Obama's worried about the possible disintegration of Pakistan.
Mushtaq Ahmed Aug 14, 2012 06:09am
Ms.Faiza Mirza has beautifully written on one of the most important topics ,, relationship between Pakistan & India , primarily because we are neighbors Dear Indians,. Some of the pungent Icomments are understandable. But if one reads the history of Indo- Pak relations , the causes of friction & animosity originated from India. Going back on settlement of Kashmir, armed aggression in 1971 to undo united Pakistan to create Bangladesh, again going back on Simla Agreement , atrocities in Kashmir , building dams on rivers thus depriving water to us. And now just talking about terrorism & unfortunate Mumbai incident. We denounce all forms of terrorism , in fact suffering from that. Over 4 million Afghan refugees have been living in Pakistan for last 40 yrs , with that armed groups infiltrated & poisoned our culture ; did India take a few thousand Afghan refugees ? By not solving Kashmir problem, Military establishment strengthened & democracy derailed. If Pakistan was not a buffer, Indians would have faced the same Afghan problems as we have been suffering. You have had peace because of Pakistan. You have been progressing economically because you are safe from Pakistan. You spent peanuts on security. If you don't prepare to protect yourself or your intelligence agencies are inadequate or incompetent , you cannot blame Pakistan all the time. Be a man & own up your deficiencies. And be fair to Pakistan. We Pakistanis love to live in harmony & friendship.with Indians. I for one would catch the first flight to visit some of the lovely & historical places India has , if you give hassle free visa & surety that I will get back safely. " Kay Serra........... the future is not ours to see ".
ShaukatFarooq Aug 14, 2012 06:12am
Dominance is the key word.Can we live as Equals.If Yes,then why do we both spend so much on ARSNEL and leave the Poor to be Poorer.Those who live in PRESIDENCIAL PALACES of 350 rooms or less do not care for what Ms.Faiza thinks or writes.Please keep writing and we are behind you to clap.NO MORE.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:27am
Having "friendly" ties with bigoted country like india would bear us no fruit. They are full of hate and venom. also too narrow minded xenophobic to see other side of picture.
Sumit Aug 14, 2012 06:29am
Beautiful words Jawwad bhai.........but alas,just words! When even a few of the "waxing eloquent in online forums Pakistanis" gather the courage to say things like- "great religions like Hinduism and Buddhism" publicly in their society, then and only then, will the tide of intolerance in Pakistan start to turn! I can confidently say that all the Indians who are being kind and generous with their comments here on Dawn can say these things openly in India and still be listened to but I can equally confidently say that if any Pakistani dared to say such kind things about Indians and Hindus in particular beyond closed doors in Pakistani society, they would face the wrath of the intolerant masses! The problem with Pakistani society is that the silent majority like the author Faiza, have been quiet where it matters most- in the sphere of public discourse, in day to day dealings in society.Sometimes I fear that folks like NFP, Irfan Husain, Faiza etc may not even represent majority views and what we perceive as the righteous silent majority on Pakistan m
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:30am
Obama worried about a lot of things. Him being worried doesn't mean anything.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:32am
Indian media calls spade a spade. They are doing a good job and serving the country well exposing the evil designs of Pakistan.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:32am
I can see how you killed 94000 Kashmiris . Kashmir isn't your property. Kashmir belongs Kashmiris and not to india.
Siddharth Sharma Aug 14, 2012 06:37am
' An Indian overwhelmed by Pakistani hospitality commented, “How much I wish to visit Pakistan! What a scene it would be to see Pakistani tourists coming to India on regular trips and visiting the exotic places of India. Just imagine, Indians spending summer vacations in Murree and Pakistanis enjoying the backwaters of Kerela!” ' That's my comment which I posted here:- :) :) :)
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:38am
Give us back the part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:39am
I would rather be a friend with snake than indian. Because i know snake would bite me, Can't say that for indians with surety. he would allure you with sweet talk and stab you in the back
Guru Aug 14, 2012 06:40am
Valid question & i will try to give a valid answer - Heard about the Khalistan movement in the 80s? heard about the serial bombings in Bombay, in 92, All these were before Mumbai & Parliament attacks. When I passed out of school, I had a factual knowledge about our wars with pakistan, no hatred. But the last 20+ years have given me a feel that we have a neighbour who will not reform but is intent on dragging us to the same level as him. Sorry guys, we are going ahead. If you want to shed your baggage & join, it is up to you.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:43am
Does it matter what you call? No. People of Azad Kashmir call it Azad Kashmir. They are free to perform whatever they want. They are not being oppressed by 700,000 indian soldiers. the women are not in constant fear of getting raped and assaulted.
MKB Aug 14, 2012 07:13am
Mr. Choudhury, they still like to live in India, because they know if they go to Pakistan they will be called as MOHAJIR. On the other hand Hindus of Pakistan , who come to India do not go back again to Pakistan.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:45am
Why don't you guys then punish the perpetrators of Mumbai attacks and bring them to justice? How long will they roam freely on the streets of Pakistan and make a mockery of Indians' feelings? We will not let you get away this time though.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:46am
Of all the tribes in Baluchistan, Only one tribe is being involved in anti state activities. and that tribe is funded and supported by India. and BTW Balochistan has no connection with you. Like i said, watch your own backyard. Half of your country is under Maoists. Missing persons are innocent people either killed by indian funded terrorists or they have been arrested the intelligence agencies.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:50am
Really? For we have also heard the stories of atrocities on Kashmiris men and women in POK by Pak army and so-called jihadis. But I would say Pakistan has done a good job by not allowing any media in POK, thus suppressing the truth.
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:50am
China being such a close ally of Pakistan is truly painful for you guys. Jealousy drips from your countrymen whenever Pakistan and China are mentioned together. China's xinjiang problem is their own internal matter. If they have concerns with us. We will deal it them at apt pace. UK has bunch of people who nobody listens to. and Seriously Afghanistan? They are puppets of Americans. You should around your own country, none of you neighbors are happy with you either.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 06:53am
We shall make you pay for committing acts of terrorism against India for sure though.
Asif Aug 14, 2012 06:57am
Are you all suggesting that only a hindu can be a tolerant person
Manek Aug 14, 2012 06:57am
Very good article. As an Indian I share your views, and would love to visit Pakistan and appreciate, admire and relish your culture, scenery, food and hospitality. As long as there are people like you Faiza, there is strong hope for our two countries. Both our countries suffer from poverty, corruption, ignorance and bigots. I always consider myself a citizen of the world, and feel that if Germany and France after years of horrible war can live in absolute peace and harmony with one another, then there is no reason why both our nations cannot !!!!! I wish my Pakistani friends a Happy Independence day.
sajan Aug 14, 2012 07:02am
@raheel You will be welcomed warmly my friend!! We will together have a boat trip in Kerala's back water... (full treat from my side)...
Krishnan Aug 14, 2012 07:11am
your message reeks of great self delusion.....
imran Aug 14, 2012 07:17am
land of beautiful women , hahaha.
John Aug 14, 2012 07:35am
No thanks. I would never visit a country where most people are fanatic.
Ravi Aug 14, 2012 07:36am
it is in India's interest to have stable Pakistan. India wants to focus on economy and growth, does not want any distractions. Times have changed, so have country's perception and priorities.
John Aug 14, 2012 07:36am
Pakistanis outside Pakistan are better, yes. But you must have met educated people. In UK,there are so many of them,mostly illiterate,ignorant and fanatic. I do not wish to know them.
SUKhan Aug 14, 2012 07:37am
Well there are signs of friendship all over, take for example resistance to Pakistan's inclusion in ASEAN, resistance to GST plus status to Pakistan by EU, persistent support to Baloch rebels, the un-ending baby cry over Bombay attacks, the 27 consulates near Pakistan borders in Afghanistan (which later the US asked to reduce), building Dams on Pakistani share of water.
John Aug 14, 2012 07:41am
For most muslims, Islam first, Islam second, and Islam last. They cannot see anything beyond their religion. There are more than a dozen free Islam channels in the SKY,and all the time they are shouting how Islam is better than all the religions of the world. No wonder the muslims are in a mess.
Redha Aug 14, 2012 07:43am
To ALL INDIAN: I am 37 year old and in my life I never visited any Indian news paper and never posted any comment. This means, I truly don’t have any interest. But I want peace with India. But on other hands, you Indians are visiting our newspaper regularly and posting comments. If you truly don’t want any relation with us then why you coming to our websites and posting comments. So your comments are against your posted claims.
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 07:45am
This is your inner most..
S.KAUSHIK, India Aug 14, 2012 07:45am
Recently my wife and I were taking a flight from Paris to the U.S. At the CDG airport, their self-check counters were displayed in French however much we tried to access the English language there. Soon I spotted an Airport official who looked Indian to me. On approaching him for some assistance, he spoke Urdu / Hindi to me and went on to help us check-in, and also came upto the boarding gate to show us the way. I was suprised to learn that he was a Pakistani settled in France, He know from our passports that we were Indians. During the brief time, we spoke in a common language . It is at such times one realizes that Indians and Pakistanis are no different from each other and share so many commonalities. I agree with Faiza and hope too that someday soon we shall be able to travel across as simple tourists.
BRR Aug 14, 2012 10:44am
nice view...
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 07:47am
These indians are extremely obsessed with Pakistan.
John Aug 14, 2012 07:49am
Partition of India was the second best thing happened to India after the British rule.
gtm Aug 14, 2012 07:52am
SinghSaheb, How can a Sikh make errors about the name of a lady whose countenance is as beautiful as her soul? Khushwant Singh nearing a century would never suffer such a lapse! Now, Jasbeer Singh implies "just one beer", insufficient to induce any errors (!!) but I cannot decode how many beers "taranveer" stands for in that calculus! Tanveer would be 10, right, but that is a Pakistani name? Be well, my dear friend!
Ram krishan Aug 14, 2012 09:52am
More Indians read Dawn than Pakistanis as Dawn is a better paper to read as compared to Indian news papers. That is why , you see more comments by Indians.
John Aug 14, 2012 07:54am
No,hatred is not taught in Indian schools. But we are more educated than Pakistanis. We can read your hidden agenda better.
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 07:55am
How could you hear those stories?? With your Indian media there? Come on chum!
Shrirang, Mumbai Aug 14, 2012 07:55am
I wish, i could visit pakistan.
Badshah Khan Aug 14, 2012 07:55am
I live in India and have visited Pakistan several times. Maybe, because its a family thing that I don't feel any difference. I really don't see any 'borders', except the little hassle at the immigration/customs. Both countries are equally beautiful and people are equally friendly and helpful. Its the western hype about Muslims that has poisoned alot of, not only Indians but several other nations in the world. "Every terrorist is supposedly a Muslim". To make matters worse, the Pakistani sponsored attacks on Indian soil. It is not the 'Pakistani' who is responsible, it is the establishment which allows such terror and for vested interests. My friends, I have never felt any difference of being a Muslim in India or being an Indian in Pakistan. There should not have been any border in the first place. If somebody has drawn a line telling me not to cross, tell him to tell the cloud not to fly over to the other side! And love is that cloud!
Pakistani Aug 14, 2012 08:10am
Dha day Mandir, Dha day Masjid, Dha day jo kuj dhenda. Par kisay da dil na dhaanwi, Rab dilan wich rehnda. Means: Destroy the Mandir, Destroy the Mosque, Destroy whatever you want. But never hurt anyone heart, for God lives in hearts.
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 07:57am
You need to prove it's a spade before calling it a spade. got it?
John Aug 14, 2012 08:00am
Pakistanis are forced to buy Indian goods,and watch Indian movies. They have no choice. Indian medicines, are far more cheaper than Pakistani medicines. India is a poor nation but its GDP is increasing at a much faster rate than Pakistan. The day, and I feel it is not too far, when Indian GDP will be 100 times more than Pakistan, all kashmir problem will disappear.
Nagaraj, India Aug 14, 2012 08:00am
WOW ! What an article !!. One of the best I have ever read on The Dawn.
NaveeSodhar Aug 14, 2012 08:07am
It is unfortunate to see this great-war of words between readers of India and Pakistan who, ironically, are commenting on an beautiful article intending to bridge the gulf between them.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 08:08am
Truth never hides. Somehow it comes out.
Rafi Aug 14, 2012 08:15am
Please do be careful and not get carried away......India and Pakistan are two distinctively different nations, different idealogies.......however, we should strive for peace but be prepared for any eventuality.......the biggest threat to Pakistan is not from India but from the current and present government.
taranveer singh Aug 14, 2012 08:19am
if there are less muslims in top jobs of civil services or Indian army its because they are not able to crack tough test for them. they are uneducated who prefer madrassa over modern education and belive in quran s science rather than modern science. muslims all over world are behind other people in science. they have 1.5 billion population but not a single Nobel winner in science. in india Muslims have very high breeding rate they want to make there population more than hindus. so there living standard is very low. they cant educate large number of children. so they are poor. if there are deserving muslims for any job they get it. chief election comission s y qureshi or lt. general syed ata husnain. Hamid ansari vice president of India Salman khurshid minister of law and justice or faisal shehzad IAS Topper there are endless examples . they get role in bollywood. minority sikh too are in great posts in india it may be bikram singh chief of Indian army, nehchal singh sandhu chief of intelligence bureau, hardip singh puri India s ambassador in uno or randhir singh head of olympic committee of india or montek singh ahluwalia. and what Pakistan does with minority everyone know that.
Guru Aug 14, 2012 09:52am
Now this is a Josef Gobbels tactic. Repeat a lie 100 times, it becomes truth. That Pakistanis did the attack is proven beyond doubt. You can dismiss our evidence but how can you erase the conviction that has entered the minds of multiple nations like US, UK etc. Now you can call them anti-muslim nations that were waiting to be convinced. How about Saudi, which handed over Abu Jundal & who is singing like a canary? This time repeating a lie 100 times, will not make it the truth. Bombay 2008, will have to be answered. Our govt moves bypassing that, we will vote it out of power.
Shrirang, Mumbai Aug 14, 2012 08:23am
Guru bhai, you are 100% right. We all knew india fought 3 wars with pakistan, but there was no animocity towards pakistan. After kargil, parliment attack & mumbai episode, pakistan has lost all little faith we had for them.
Sajan-Jaipur Aug 14, 2012 08:24am
There is huge trust deficit between Pakistan and India. Now it widened deeply. The terrorist attack of Indian Parliament and 26/11 could not able to wipe off from our (ndian) mind unless Pakistans public establishment work for eradicating the culprits. Pakistan has to work harldy to get in minds of indian people. Once these trust deficit narrowed i think both India and Pakistan woule be a real paradise of world. For that government must have courage to separate their army and intelligence agency against political interfearance. But unfortunately it would be a dream.
Vineeth Aug 14, 2012 08:30am
When scientists have discovered 623 planetary systems in our tiny neighbourhood within the Milky way in a very short span of time, Indians and Pakistanis are still arguing who is better than whom.. Makes me wonder when humans will learn to get out of this prison of misplaced self-importance and grandeur.
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 08:31am
Certainly not. The point is Hindus were ruled by Muslims in this little sub continent for more than thousand years even when they were in majority. That's what really pains you! Muslims have their history of ruling quite a large part of the world and let me tell you, you even couldn't learn the art of ruling from Muslims. Now, you have the same desire (the complex of inferiority that you developed over centuries). History reveals you always remained followers. Period.
Deb Aug 14, 2012 08:33am
What are you trying to say?
Guru Aug 14, 2012 08:34am
Bal Thackeray did not send 10 guys to rampage on the streets of Karachi. Samjohta Express bombing accused are in jail and see a life of court cases & punishments ahead of them. Modi is a elected Chief Minister, who if found guilty will get unseated. This slur is coming in the way of him aspiring for any national level position. His state continues to have a prosperous muslim community. Now, could you pls tell us who is Hafeez Sayed?
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 08:38am
Why don't you prove them as culprits?
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 08:40am
You are right Akil bhai.. This has been made to be a reason for hatred. And possibly Indians did this of their own. Who knows?
roshan tahiliani Aug 14, 2012 08:41am
Let us call for stricter and tougher VISA regulations for Pakistanis except Hindu migrants. This is needed to prevent more 26/11s. Its better to befriend snakes than Pakistanis
farazbinahmad Aug 14, 2012 08:49am
O really? did you give them the security clearance to land there?
aasha, New Delhi Aug 14, 2012 08:54am
No right thinking Pakistani or Indians would dare say that friendship between two nations is not the need of the hour. I have visited Pakistan several times and as usual found people there extremely friendly. I dare say that Pakistanis probably do not get similar reciprocation. I can speak for an average Indian - a new generation of Indians have shed the baggage of partition and are ready to move on. But Indians believe that Pakistan had raised an army of terrorists to bleed us. It is worse than staging a war. We also refuse to believe that Pakistan is a victim of terrorism, and to quote a top US leader, we too feel that if you raise snakes in your backyard, they will only end up biting you.The way out is that an aam admi in Pakistan should raise his voice against terrorism - or other agencies actions of breeding terror. Pakistan had already received a bad name in this context and can not afford to continue this policy.
raja Aug 14, 2012 08:58am
Indians are hate mongerers clearly evident from comments coming from across the border. Please read comments of pakistanis they are balanced and logical.
Vineeth Aug 14, 2012 09:07am
On a lighter note, for most men the most beautiful women are those from their own place. Me included ;-)
ARUN ACHARYA Aug 14, 2012 09:16am
S Sundar Kumar Iyer Aug 14, 2012 09:20am
Thank you for a nice article. I do hope your desire for increased mobility between the two countries for genuine visitors becomes easier. Hopefully the atmosphere of mistrust created by the blunder of partition of the subcontinent in the past and in more recent times by unsustainable ideologies will clear in the years to come. Till that time, I do hope positive thinking and humane values such as those espoused in the article will be kept alive by people like you on both sides of this artificial border.
Roy Ashish Aug 14, 2012 10:44am
And You are the smartest!!!
Tanveer Abbas Aug 14, 2012 09:46am
I am Pakistani from Punjab and felt disappointment and frustration after reading some Indians point of views about relations with Pakistan here we Pakistanis have deep longing to have very friendly relations with India as we share culture and many other things with each other and it is my humble request to Indian please give up such thinking because there are only a few people who always sabotage confidence building measures between the two countries but i think mostly Pakistanis hate these people who always create hurdles in the way of amicable relations.Mr Gupta i invite you as my guest if you visit to Pakistan and you will find love of our people for Indians. I will wait for your response Mr Gupta.
Guru Aug 14, 2012 09:47am
We in India are so jealous of your higher than the mountains, deeper than the oceans & sweeter than honey relationship with China. Pls remember that when Pak was short of forex, it was a different friend who helped out. It goes by the name USA. Musharaf & Zardari both returned empty handed from Beijing. Now we are truly jealous that we cant have such a friendship.
Rafi Aug 14, 2012 10:42am
Dear Faiza Rehman, I wish to say that you are talking about LOVE between India and Pakistan. Please ask yourself how can there be LOVE between two countries when India has been building dams on Pakistani Rivers in gross violation of the International Laws and illegally......therefore, your LOVE story between India and Pakistan is unfounded and is not true, also the conditions of Muslims in India is appalling
CMA Aug 14, 2012 12:49pm
On this auspicious occassion - 14th August I would like to share with our fellow country men these line which has been doing the rounds in Dubai by sms. Here it is: I am not just the story of bombs, poverty & corruption !! I am the passion of Jinnah ! I am Edhi's philanthropy ! I am Arfa Karim's brilliance ! I am Imran Khan's credibility ! I am four weathers ! I am the fastest growing IT industry! I am Nusrat Fateh's Vocal chords ! I am Afridi's exuberance ! I am AQ Khan's Brilliance ! I have the 2nd Highest Mountain ! I have 8 of the 20 highest peaks ! I am the 7th Nuclear Power in the World ! I am the 4th Nation to build cruise missiles ! I have the largest salt mine in the world ! I broke Soviet Union ! I am the epitome of resilience ! YES I AM PAKISTAN Please spread optimism instead of negativity about me.. and you Indian can u stop spitting venom against our country Sincerely - Pakistan Zindabad
NORI Aug 14, 2012 12:53pm
If half of the country is under Maoists, then it's called China. You watch your front and back yard, almost all of Pakistan is under hate spewing Mullahs. You social standards have so much degraded that highly educated lawyers showered petals on a murderer instead of getting him appropriate punishment. The doctor who helped to kill the most wanted terrorist is in jail on the basis of some filthy and flimsy charges... and you call India words..
Shankar Aug 14, 2012 01:24pm
This is really not going well! An open forum like dawn should not be used to spew out venom! I request my Indian friends to put past things behind and look to forge friendship and links! Let us not let hate comsume us! We have to try very hard to ensure we do not leave behind two countries which are perpetually at each others throats! Let us dream of a sub-continent in the lines of Europe where old foes have become friends! Guys, we owe it to our future generations! I pray to God to give us the courage to make the sacrifices needed to usher in peace!
Kailash Aug 14, 2012 01:26pm
Sir because most of pakis do not understand English so we are making your newpaper they Dawn is good newspaper and usually i visit the site..
Dr. LP Aug 14, 2012 01:31pm
This is a simple article dedicated to few trees while missing the forest. Read, study and understand two historical events. (1) Efforts to divide America and the American Civil War and the failure of the efforts; the foregn fighters had participated in American civil war. (2) Re-unification of east and west Germany; and German honest efforts. Indians, Bangladeshi or Pakistanishes are the same with lots in common. Do they have the same intelctual capacity as Germany has demonstrated? Only way to solve the current situation is start talking at the top rather than spinning the wheels. LOL.
Paulc Aug 14, 2012 02:10pm
Vineeth, you are a tiny minority in India. Make no mistake about it. What are Kashmiris pelting stones for? Recently they pelted stones when there was fire in a dargah in a crowded area of Srinagar because the fire brigade arrived 30 minutes after the call was made. Is this what responsible people do? The Kashmiri situation had been made way worse due to the involvement of Pakistan. Even today their ministers meet Hurriyat leaders before meeting their Indian counterparts. Will their all weather friend or any other country even tolerate this? Also Vineeth, I am assuming that you never felt anything during the Mumbai attacks. Which part of India did you live in that brainwashed you to believe that Kashmit is a part of India? Really? None of my history books had anything about Kashmir as far as I know. I can go on and on but I think I made my point.
Aditya Aug 14, 2012 02:10pm
Thanks, my lines were stolen from movie Bobby.
JP Singh Aug 14, 2012 02:14pm
A very thought provoking article by Faiza Mirza. There are fault lines on both the sides but lately I mean for the past few years terrorism has taken its toll in India. It
Lover of Peace Aug 14, 2012 03:16pm
Go to Wikipedia and check out Indo-Pak War of 1965, 1971 and 1999!! What are your views on the series of attacks on India by Pakistani millitants and the agencies? You still say we hate you! The point is, the Pakistanis who are really responsible are sitting in AC rooms while they preach (rather brainwash) undernourished and poor Pakistanis about how to attain salvation (by destroying India). What do you think about the chief of Jamat-ud-Dawa? Is he a very nice guy? We, Indians, do not Pakistan nor do we hate every Pakistani. There are some who create all the trouble and the entire country pays for it. In other words, cleanse your own country and then how well WE go along. Jai Hind!
hassyb Aug 14, 2012 03:34pm
“It is the land of vibrant colours, rich cultural heritage and BEAUTIFUL WOMEN", the writer is so feminist and biased.
Devil Aug 14, 2012 03:44pm
Beta Zeta, wait for another jhatka... Balochistan is going the eastern Pakistan (now Bangladesh) way.. by the way, I am one of those 40% who deeply believe in the India pak hatered. Love to hate you people. We will not forget Mumbai attacks.... sooner or later you will pay for that. Mark my words !!!
Devil Aug 14, 2012 03:47pm
Who stops you! Border are anyways open for you! Do you want to shift willfully or want us to boot ?
babu Aug 14, 2012 04:01pm
thanks Badshah ,I like more Indian Muslims to make comments on all Pakistani Forum, only because the Pakistanis should not feel the Hindu comments have an negative agenda on their country.
babu Aug 14, 2012 04:07pm
okay rafi, please ,can any indian muslims comment here ?.
Captain Gautam Aug 14, 2012 04:07pm
Mr.Kanwal the sole reason for that famous line was that before partition Lahore was heart of Punjab and a big trade center, u can say just like Mumbai today is for India but here's the catch Lahore of yesteryears was dominated by Hindu Punjabis and especially so by the Khatris ( the Kapoors, Khannas, Chopras etc) and in true Punjabi style these Hindu Punjabis lived life King size with palatial houses with their ever so beautiful punjabi womenfolk who dressed in expensive clothes in latest fashion of those times and roamed all over lahore like royalty without any fear because like i said it was a Hindu dominated city so my friend what u heard from ur ancestors was true only till about your experience in Lahore , well all i can say some good food and a bazaar is not what those old punjabis meant by saying that famous line.....sadly its an era long gone :(...............anyway its a nice and thought provoking article from Fiaza Mirza but definately something which is not gonna happen, well at least not till the army/intelligence agencies call shots in pakistan and they are not going anywhere now r they??
Zain Aug 14, 2012 04:12pm
@Faiza, I don't like the apologetic tone in your article. And no I'm not amongst those who'd like to visit India, not at the least for their women. Indian are never apologetic for what they've done to our country (i.e. unrest in Balochistan, funding anti-Pak terrorists, Kashmir, breaking our country, blocking international trade opportunities for Pak, stealing our water etc..), so why should we? Innocent Pakistanis are jailed in Indian prisons for life, tortured to the point that when they are finally released they return mentally incapable. Who knows who's responsible for the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, they don't even let us investigate it properly. Just look at their comments, the ones most popular (liked)are the most anti-Pak. Look at their media, extremist and full of hate. Read the comments that they leave about Pakistan on their own websites...totally anti-Pak and anti-Islam. Yes, a minority of them may be well wishers, but most of them keep their feelings to themselves, or else be labelled a traitor.
Zain Aug 14, 2012 04:12pm
No Faiza, in the extremist environment that is in India, we need to be realistic and understand that until and unless they change their views, things will never change. We Pakistanis are much more tolerant than them, but it is their arrogance that keeps matters and conflicts unchanged. We need to take pride in our own country, and build a nation that can survive and thrive on its own. Yes, we live in a globalized world, and cannot avoid an Indian presence, and even trade. But lets keep it limited to the benefits that we can gain, and not get ahead of ourselves. Indeed we cannot choose our neighbors, so lets leave it at that. Pakistan zindabad.
Jawwad Aug 14, 2012 04:17pm
Thank you for the kind words. I actually do preach openly what I say. What more I could do I am even married to an Indian? You will be surprised to know there are quiet few of the sane and liberal voices in Pakistan too. It's just they are sometimes lost in the noise of those elements we are trying to fight and no respite or protection from the Govt. In the end, situation is of law and order.
Jawwad Aug 14, 2012 04:22pm
Freedom of speech my friend. You want me to post links to books by Indian writers belonging to intelligence agencies? Whatever you say, I still say Indians are great people and we need to recognize it.
Jawwad Aug 14, 2012 04:30pm
Same people are killing us too. Haters do not see Indian/Pakistani, they only see hurdles in their grand designs. And we peace loving people are hurdles to them.
Jawwad Aug 14, 2012 04:31pm
My wife did and we got two beautiful kids :)
Ashwani Aug 14, 2012 04:48pm
I completely agree with the writer. Instead of blaming and only blaming each other we all should contribute towards building bridges between the people of both the countries.Issues are certainly there but People to people relationship will help in resolving those issues amicably. I visited Pakistan with my family few years back and returned from there with sweet memories. Conspirators and executors of all terrorist activities, whether Bombay attack or Samjhouta Express bomb blast, should, of course, be brought to justice.
Moottu kuzhiyil Aug 14, 2012 04:53pm
If you had been at Kerala state of India, you should have noticed that the Muslim population of this area have more political clout than that of their Hindu counter parts. Majority of them are economically,socially,educationally better positioned than that of not only Hindus of Kerala but also several fold better than their counterparts in Pakistan.
Ashwani Aug 14, 2012 04:57pm
I completely agree with the writer. Instead of blaming and only blaming each other we all should contribute towards building bridges between the people of both the countries.Issues are certainly there but People to people relationship will help in resolving those issues amicably. I visited Pakistan with my family few years back and returned from there with sweet memories. Conspirators and executors of all terrorist activities, whether Bombay attack or Samjhouta Express bomb blast, should, of course, be brought to justice.
Murtaza Aug 14, 2012 05:04pm
On the contrary, youtube is rife with talk shows obsessing about India. By comparison, Pakistan hardly get a look-in in our media. Talking about who hates whom the most... just look at your history books, look at what your mullahs teach in the madresas... "india is dajjal" "india is zionist" India yeh, india woh.. nauzobillah, apney ghireban main jhaakain. Jis desh se aleida hue, jis ke takseem honey par aapka mulk wajood main aaya hai; usi mulk, usi sar zameen ko gali detey hue zara bhi sharam nahi aati inhey. Tareek gawah hai, Pakistan jagirdaro ne banayi thi apne faidey ke liye. Moualan Abul Kalam Azad ne sahi kaha tha ki agar "20 crore musalmano ko apne allah pey bharosa na ho, tou uska kya illaaj kon kar sakega." The political elite that formed Pakistan weren't concerned one bit about muslims, all they were concerened about was being overrun by the hindus, and woh buzdilli wali baat hui. I might have touched a nerve or two here, but that's the truth. Look beyond the realm of what you have been thought and know... get a perspective. I highly recommend listening to Maulana's speech: Best wishes and happy independence day to all you Pakistanis. I wish some day we can be one.
Razi Aug 14, 2012 05:08pm
Baghal may choree muin per ram out guys........
John Aug 14, 2012 05:15pm
Indians also feel the same way.Pakistanis and terrorists have become synonymous in the world.
Gopa Aug 14, 2012 05:17pm
Please do not.Indians do not like Pakistanis. No cricket, no talk,nothing. But you have no choice. Without hindi movies,your women will be on strike. Without Indian medicines, you will die.
John Aug 14, 2012 05:21pm
Pakistanis only understand violence. In the last 65 years,they were poking their noses in kashmir,and Khalistan. Now when Indians poke their nose in Balochistan, they cry. Let us poke as much as we can into each other's affairs and see who wins. Pakistan will be partitioned into several parts, and all terrorism will disappear.
John Aug 14, 2012 05:24pm
Pakistan's defence budget is six billion against India's thirty six billions. Now the american money is also drying up. So they are crying for friendship. Let another hundred years pass and then .people will decide. And anyway,Pakistan willnot survive in its present shape after hundred years. So not to worry.
concerned Pakistani Aug 14, 2012 05:24pm
feeling is mutual
shajhan Aug 14, 2012 05:26pm
The truth is that India is one among a poor country ,developing nation but not a failed nation like pakistan. pakistan is one among the best failed nation and a thorn in world peace
Raj Aug 14, 2012 05:31pm
Pakistanis are OK , if outside Pakistan. But if it comes to religion, they will not hesitate to kill you. We, Hindus in India are tolerant of our religion. They are many funny scenes depicting Hindu gods and we take it lightly. One should be ever ready to take into criticism. Criticism is good as it shows you , your mistakes and can correct it. Likewise, religion has also many mistakes, as it customs and rules were made in different times and at different places. Why bother to learn about a foreign religion or language. Faiza Mirza has written a good articles. But writing is different than practicing.Will she convert to Hindu and marry a Hindu ? This is her Test
cma Aug 14, 2012 05:35pm
Brr ... I hope we have more sensible people in India like you....we have nothing against you or the indians .. we want to live in peace with our neighbors but if we are provked all the time we do react...just see the comments from our Indian friends it is so crude and hateful... its not their fault because its your media which is propogating hatred against Pakistan ... u guys talk about Hafiz Saeed but forget the likes of Bal Thakeray and his stooges.
Rakesh Aug 14, 2012 05:40pm
Dear Ms. Faiza, A sense of hope permeates me each time I read your article. I recall reading another wonderful one by you a few weeks ago and remember feeling this similar sense of hope. I look forward to reading all your articles and I am certain that they will all be fabulous. In the meanwhile, I wish to extend my Independence Day greetings to you and all the people of you country, as I await the midnight, to mark India's tryst with destiny! I also wish to apologize on behalf of some of my country men/women who have posted unsavoury comments on this wonderful article. I hope they realize, at-least, on the eve of India's 66th Independence Day that one of the 11 fundamental duties, of an Indian citizen (prescribed by our sacred constitution) is to promote peace! Love and Peace Rakesh Kotti Andhra Pradesh, India
cma Aug 14, 2012 05:44pm
why dont you - u r more than welcome... u will love our hospitality and will not believe how genrous we are in showering love and respect to our guests...we are not obessed by you .. it is your government who is obsessed by Pkaistan -
jasus Aug 14, 2012 05:42pm
you are a totally confused person and you donot represent the majority of Indians point of view. Majority of Indians does not want anything to do with Pakistanis
mayur Aug 14, 2012 05:51pm
we as a indian want to say something ---hamne to hamesha dosti ka hath badhaya , lekin aapne hamesha khanjir mara, see all four wars ,and when atal bihari went to pakistan for better ties what you gives us kargil war, parliment attack , mumbai attack and lot more, we lost the confidence in pakistan now, and dont want this any more, here is one more thing not only india whole world dont belive pakistan seems to be terror nation & truth is alwas hard to accept...
Seedoo Aug 14, 2012 05:50pm
Which place do you regularly visit in India to get your dose of brainwashing? Pakistan bad, Bangladesk bad, China bad. What about Sri Lanka and Nepal? Are they out to get you also? India is good, everyone else around it is bad! Wow!
jasus Aug 14, 2012 05:51pm
My wish is if you could keep quiet!
Vikas Aug 14, 2012 05:52pm
Don't come again to India. Just a humble request. I hope I am not asking much. You guys have got your land. Please let us live peacefully.
Raj Aug 14, 2012 05:53pm
seems he is a Pakistani with and Indian name
Seedoo Aug 14, 2012 05:54pm
Dear Mr Supan, Look what you started. The article published in Dawn had nice things to say about India and the author was trying to build bridges between the two countries. Then someone like you came and in response spewed hatred and poisened the entire atmostphere. Nice going my Indian friend!
Shakil87 Aug 14, 2012 06:22pm
Do all the people commenting here anything important in life to do. coz i know... Talkers are not doers and doers are not talkers. We should be satisfied with our conscience regarding everything we did or want to do. Does so much hatred or exaggeration of love is important by any means? Calm down, drink a glass of water and do the chores u have to finish, it will be better than to get stuck here in such discussion which have no meaning and no end. Regards.
Iyan Aug 14, 2012 06:24pm
Dear Maryam and Faiza, If you have not been to Bangalore, Mysore, and Chennai, you cannot claim to have seen India at all ! In my opinion, the kindest and the most beautiful people of all of India live in the state of Karnataka which contains the beautiful cities of Bangalore and Mysore . Enjoy the night clubs and architectural beauties of Bangalore and Mysore (Brindavan Gardens in Mysore and the magnificent Palace are a must), Nagarahole game sanctuary with magnificent elephants, and if lucky you will get to see wild tigers. Unimaginably beautiful. I am not at all exaggerating. Go there and see for yourself. Chennai for the most part is also beautiful with a beautiful beach and lovely blue ocean and Mahabalipuram temples in the ocean front are a marvel. So, pack your bags and get there asap. Forget about the people who make foolish comments. They are losers. I could not get enough of those places !! Best of luck and Good wishes. Iyan, USA ,
Shah Aug 14, 2012 06:24pm
That isn't even all of Kashmir, what about Gilgit and Balistan that were part of Kashmir prior to 1948? You removed it, claim them as provinces of pakistan, and created a small piece called azad kashmir, whose prime minister isn't even elected without the consent of the army. So yeah, its REALLY Azad
Zeta Aug 14, 2012 06:33pm
Again Entire world is not made up of two countries. One with most bigoted narrow minded people while the other is too dumb to take them seriously. Just to make it easy for you, Dumb ones being the Americans
dattatray Aug 14, 2012 06:51pm
news about hindus families in pakistan shows how they love hindus .... base of pakistan is hatred about hindus. we dont expect peace from pakistan. (No one) those articles are waste of time. we dont want you .we have our problems to solve i mean chosing right career (not terrorism ).getting good jobs taking care of parents. our (seperate gods as you think) gives us lot of targets.not like to kill others who worship in some different ways. "JITNA BADA DIL KARKE HUMNE ITIHAS KO MAAF KAR DIYA THA """" KASH AAPKE DIL UTNE BADE HOTE TO YE NAUBAT NAHI ATI". "ZULELAL BABA" ko bhagwan manane wale pagal hindu hi the.apne kis hindu ko alla mana ye sochane wali baat hai. waqt to bitata jata hai par usake ghav hamesha taja rehte hai .so moral of the story is "hume apne ghavoko aur badhane ke bajaye pakistan iss word se break chahiye."
manojk1971 Aug 14, 2012 06:53pm
The writer has touched a emotive subject. I am curious about Pakistan since birth I want to visit it once before I die. Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. There are mixed views. There are some people with extreme views also. Some are without hatred. It all depends on political leanings , education and what we have been told by our parents. The generation who had witnessed partition has gone. They were in a state of shock as partition was traumatic experience still they longed to visit their villages. I grew up in one such refugee colony. Hatred to go inside the heart is difficult to let go. Hate will produce more hate. Hatred is built through media reports which portray pakistani government and establishment as Hindu haters. Every Indian is not communal and I believe the same to be true for a pakistani and I have many muslim friends. We have to question whether religion separates us or politicians . Is it Hindu Vs muslim sentiment dividing us . This is so evident during our test matches. Pakistan has given up its secular ideals put forth by jinnah. The cricket team does not a single member from any other religion . India at least is trying to have a multi cultural society in-spite of problems . Behaviourally ,culturally the DNA of Indian and Pakistani is same as historically we the same race. Some took Islam and some remained Hindus. DNA can be tested the race is same across borders. So the same blood unites us and creates a longing to meet each other or this curiosity but religious intolerance and history of partition and subsequent wars and distrust divides us as human beings. None of people commenting on this article have first hand account of things. There is so much poverty in India and corruption which are bigger issues but the politicians are not interested in solving. I personally feel hatred will feel to more bloodshed and it is stalemate situation for the nations so let us work towards peace . Kashmir is another issue where lot of mis information is spread by pakistani politicians to its masses.The hindus there have suffered more than the muslims as for the atrocities this is propaganda . Atrocities are as would happen in any other Indian state by the local police. If pakistan stops meddling in kashmir peace can come sooner than expected between the two nations.
paki girl Aug 14, 2012 07:08pm
india ma 22 alehdgi ki tehreken chal ri han or wo hme baten kr ry han ..what a joke...............
Roy Aug 14, 2012 07:16pm
The pain of partition is primarily felt most by Punjabis & Bengalis. West Bengal has clearly started building bridges with Bangladesh and both are now enjoying and appreciating their common cultural heritage. Punjabis are still messed up as there is still the wedge of partition that is still alive, and most Indian Punjabis want to travel freely to Pakistan Punjab, especially Sikhs, particularly for religious purposes. As for the rest of India, most don't even care about visiting Pakistan because of the negative image of Pakistan and the only people keen on visiting Pakistan are Indian Muslims because of blood relationships in Pakistan. Also, the sudden interest in India in Pakistan is primarily because of Pakistan's sharp decline and India's rather sharp rise in the last 10-12 years.
Guest123 Aug 14, 2012 07:18pm
Ramanan, If you do not want any relationship or interaction with Pakistan or Pakistani, then why are you trolling a Pakistani news website and interacting with Pakistanis? The world can do without bitterness and hatred from brain-washed zealots like you. We are also very thankful to Mr. Jinnah for creating a home for us where we don't have to deal with zealots like you. We can deal with our hate mongers. Thankfully we don't have to deal with you and your bigots.
Gurdeep Aug 14, 2012 07:24pm
Dear @Ahmed, stop visiting Times Of India. Myself being an Indian have made a resolve to not to go to TOI site and I am sticking to it. Perhaps you go to that site to read what you want to read. You want to hear and read propaganda, and that is what TOI is about. The Indians visiting TOI are also like you, they want to hear, read and propagate propaganda, and get excited at slightest news. From the quality of comments there, my fellow Indian brothers really seem dim witted. not blame the whole media. Any terrorism related news for sure is going to get a lot of coverage, AND UNFORTUNATELY, the event always has connections back to Pakistan.
paki girl Aug 14, 2012 07:27pm
ni hm na kashmireon ka nam ni suny ye suna ha k wahan itni choti si wadi ma 8 lak army din rat logon to mar ri ha or un ka kasur sirf ye ha k wo muslim han.. tm log un k namon sa wakif ho ga kun k tmhri 8 lak army wahan shayd sesus k ly hi ha.........
Guest Aug 14, 2012 07:29pm
To see women ? Why ? Are women in Pakistan an entirely different species? As a student of anthropology ,I am very keen to know.
Gurdeep Aug 14, 2012 07:31pm
Dear @Salman, same for the Indians, we want friendly relations with Pakistan, but surely do not want to completely open the borders. Before opening borders, India needs to be confident that we don't get problem makers from the other side. And what if even the good intentioned people stay back!? We are already overpopulated. And believe me it is nothing like I not liking Pakistanis, it is all about being a "sharik" (it's a Punajbi word), saving own interests first.
paki girl Aug 14, 2012 07:32pm
acha BHAI true indian to ap pechli half sadi sa kia india ka sath chor police khel ry han.........ap shaed shahedon ko bhol skty han pr aik true muslim shahed k khon ko zaya ni hony deta.........RIGHT
Ali Aug 14, 2012 07:32pm
I am wondering if Faiza is serving Pakistan or Indians on their pay roll.
Sapan Kapoor Aug 14, 2012 07:36pm
No hatred. Only Justice for Mumbai attacks.
paki girl Aug 14, 2012 07:40pm
and what r u saying about shudrs..tmhri to parlimnt ma b brhman shudr k sath beth k khana ni khata so apny geryban ma jhanko.....or kashmiri pehly pakistani han phir kuch or han........
gul Aug 14, 2012 07:44pm
Great article Faiza. Totally agree.
GS@Y Aug 14, 2012 07:47pm
I hope FM is happy for writing this cloying, gratuitous article and giving all these Indians the opportunity to spit in every decent person's face.
Readmymind Aug 14, 2012 08:02pm
Ms Mirza has written an article that strives on hope. I feel ashamed at people dissing this article. No one, I mean NO ONE asked the # of Indians to come to this message board to spread hate. If you need to do that, please go to Times of India where the hate and uncouth language is all you see. Best wishes to Pakistan on the day of Independence.
Subodh (India) Aug 14, 2012 08:22pm
A very good article, one of the best I have read in recent times. People like you makes me believe that there is still Hope For Us. Kudos to you Ms. Mirza! And please ignore negative comments from our fellow Indians, they are naive. Although they love India, they are not able to see who our real enemy are.
hak Aug 14, 2012 08:36pm
for mumbai attacks !! as you sow, so shall u reap !! think about it...
Priyank Aug 14, 2012 08:43pm
Pakistanis are useless.
kashmiri Aug 14, 2012 08:46pm
so, why is it pakistan's business invoving in kashmir poeoples life?
mohan menon Aug 14, 2012 08:49pm
Indians never knew that pakistanis were living in a fools paradise.about the question of destroying pakistan we indians dont have to do anything as pakistanis are quite capable of that,more than anybody else.i cant tell you how much i enjoyed reading your co mments and its paranoid outlook.keep up your humour sense....
mian wasim USA. Aug 14, 2012 09:30pm
Very nice you made my day!!! well said and good reply to all the hate full slurs/text above , i would like to add this in to that and let every single indian out there to know as pakistani yes we would love to have relation on equal base nothing less will be acceptable ,because both side are equipped with enough destruction stuff , so there is no fear on pakistan side period !! and on other hand yes it is great country so as pakistan so lets be nice to each other.
mohan menon Aug 14, 2012 09:35pm
You are blatantly misinformed about india.if dawn permits my article i wish to state few was hafiiz saeed with the help of agencies which carried out the mumbai ajmal kasab not pakistani?how abu jundal alias zabiuddin ansari from india got pakistani passport,id and even pakistani wife post mumbai attacks?in india we dont teach kids as pakistsnis are enemies and in any way inferior to us.can you say that same is done in pakistan about indian?why was a trench made to kashmir from pok recently if not for terrorists?still you claim india is provoking pakistan?you expect us to trust you and befriend?it is not the indian media which is making us against you,but it is your actions and our past experience.but let me reassure you that any sane indian would love real pakistani(pakistan-agencies+military)
V_vendetta Aug 14, 2012 09:36pm
iam not gonna play the politically correct statements here . I don't want to see any pakistani in my beloved mother India .we are better off staying away from each other . Having said that , Happy Independence day :) .
Mars1909 Aug 14, 2012 09:41pm
Dear Mr Zeta Jammu and Kashmir is not only Srinagar. It also has Laddakh and Jammu. I have never seen Army there. If Indian Army was suppressing then we should have sseen army rule in these part. And now coming to POK, if you think the people are happy and it is heaven on earth then what is balawaristan.
V_vendetta Aug 14, 2012 09:48pm
@rehan omar i really enjoyed your macabre joke :P .
V_vendetta Aug 14, 2012 09:57pm
no Indian is begging for your friendship ,so rest in peace now
Emmen Aug 14, 2012 09:59pm
i am sorry to hear your experience was not good. i am a Pakistani living in NYC and if i have a job and a roof on head it is because of the trust, love and respect of the Indians. Every south Asian i have met here has no issues with each other (in fact they are so pleased to find someone who speaks their own language, enjoys the same food, movies, has the same day to day life, culture, understand each other so much better) apart from those who earn their bread on the hatred.. hate mongers will be the only ones who go to hell.
Earthling Aug 14, 2012 11:47pm
Whoa, look at the number of comments. Emotional topic this! But seriously, both countries have internal issues to tackle, before they can look at their neighbours. If we combine the two regions, we probably will have the worst: - Illiteracy rates - Terrorism - Rapes - Child abuse rates - Hunger and poverty rates Let's first resolve to weed out these horrible things from our societies, and then lets look towards building bridges. It seems to me both are living in their own wells.
BNS Aug 15, 2012 12:02am
Very nice writing. I am sure this writing represents the views and wishes of majority of south Asian community on either side iof the border and all around the world. Thank you for writing such loving and caring toughts.
Grieved Aug 15, 2012 12:06am
India is taking revenge for the partition. And Pakistan is afraid of immigration from India.That is why a very harsh visa policy.There is no humanity left.
jasus Aug 15, 2012 01:05am
Forgot something??????? AND YES I AM A TERRORIST !
sandeep Aug 15, 2012 02:16am
Ahmed, Felt like telling sorry about that. The difference between Dawn and TOI is that TOI is masala paper which wants to show HIndu muslim issues and India pak issues and give a platform for people to fight. If you want to read similar to Dawn, please read The Hindu. That is similar to Dawn and more educated people comment there. But I hope you understand that India is better in treating their minorities far better than Pak or you dont agree with that?
B R Chawla Aug 15, 2012 03:07am
Not surprised at the venom and spitfire from those who were brought up to hate India. Where b (be) is for bandook and K is for Kafir in the school books you do not expect better. God bless Pakistan.
GemmeGhaffar Aug 15, 2012 04:29am
This is a very healthy gesture and very kind and wise of you , people like you around things will get on track where we all can live in peace and as good neighbors . Enjoy your Independence day say my/our big Salam to all your friends. I tried to reach you on face book but there are many Sapan Kapoor .Thanks for writing and opening a window.
GemmeGhaffar Aug 15, 2012 04:31am
People like you around things will get on track where we all can live in peace and as good neighbors . Enjoy your Independence day say my/our big Salam to all your friends.
GemmeGhaffar Aug 15, 2012 04:34am
Shukreyya ! Aap sub aabad rahoo khush rahoo . Enjoy your Independence day . best wishes for India
GemmeGhaffar Aug 15, 2012 04:37am
Maj. Sahib ! People like you around things will get on track where we all can live in peace and as good neighbors . Enjoy your Independence day say my/our big Salam to all your friends.
Aminuddin Aug 15, 2012 04:37am
It is sad to say that even in the USA Indian do not buy anything from pakistani stores. Pakistanis are broad minded that they are customers to indian stores. Recently an indian 'Brahman Lady' working for a perfume manufacturer in New Jersey refused a summer postion to my daughter, because she is a muslim. There are many more stories of hatred by the indian hindus against Pakistanis in the USA too.
Haider Aug 15, 2012 05:06am
There is no DIRECT way of acheiving peace and love between the two countries. We need to go from love to love within our own borders, this is more relevant and valid for Pakistan currently given our going from "depth" to "depth" in the recent years. Once this is acheived India/Pakistan question becomes irrelevant.
adeen Aug 15, 2012 05:37am
Good piece indeed. unfortunately the debate, like always, has gone to typical narrative of Hindu- Muslim, India -Pakistan, better - worse....peace - terrorist and so. Guys we are here to bring change. if we are to go by with old traditional narrative against each other how we would bring peace and harmony on both sides. mistakes were made on both sides, accepted, but we should realize the loss in between. humanity should prevail above religion,cast, creed or etc. we can only be good citizens/nationals once we are good human beings to respect each other rather spreading venom. extremists and fundamentalist (factors) are present both in India and Pakistan. we together as educated, balanced and sincere national can be of help than just being another (radical- having bad for others) please give faiza's thought a way to live !
farazbinahmad Aug 15, 2012 05:46am
Shehr k Dukaa'n daro... Tum na jaan pao gay!!
farazbinahmad Aug 15, 2012 05:59am
Then come on. Prove that. Anyone including me and all Pakistanis who did that crime must be punished accordingly but you have to prove it. Only allegations have no weight. If so, I can allege that all killing in Baluchistan are sponsored by India. What do you say? Regarding US or UK or whatever.. I would only ask can they prove it. That conviction is a part of Indian-US diplomacy my friend. I admire Indians for their adeptness at diplomacy. But at the same time US and UK also have their own national interests. Putting that conviction into the minds of their masses was in there interest otherwise they would not care about Indian diplomacy.
Mudit Aug 15, 2012 07:11am
Whenever I see the mistrust in our subcontinent and the bonhomie in Europe, I am very jealous of Europeans.. Europeans were once not so long ago bitter enemies of each other.. England and Germany fought 2 World Wars.. apart from Europe, USA dropped atom bombs on Japan at the end of World War 2.. but all these nations quickly learnt to forgive and forget and became best of friends.. however we South Asians could not do so.. the difference was EDUCATION.. their society was and is highly educated, so they can use their minds to analyse right from wrong, think above Propaganda and come to the right conclusion.. so my friends, our society needs good education to overcome our hate
Sapan Kapoor Aug 15, 2012 09:36am
I've never seen more ignorant girl than you. You seriously need to read more about Indian parliament.
Rishi Aug 15, 2012 04:27pm
First i suggest you get your history correct! a) Babar was the first Mughal Ruler who was around some time in the 16th century, the British arrived in the 18th century, how on earth did you arrive at the figure 1000 years? Prophet Muhammad was born in the late year 500 so Islam is a religion that is only 500 or so years old. It did not come to India that early. The 1000 years is nothing more than a fantasy that you have. b) Babar was not Pakistani, nor was he anything to do with today's Pakistanis, Babar was a descendant of the the mongols that have a history of terrorizing the middle eastern muslims. I suggest you look that up. Secondly, the slaves of the mughals and lower caste converts is what the modern day pakistanis are. c) I am from Maharashtra, and i can tell you that there was very little Mughal presence here. The Mughals were the rulers of Northern India and Pakistan. We had the Maratha empire here, the Mughals needed to beg from 3 muslim empires. Durrani empire from Afghanistan had already destroyed the Mughals, and So had the Marathas. Marathas lost to 3 Muslim empires combined. d) You have an inferiority complex.
Cynical Aug 15, 2012 04:37pm
Agreed, one hundred percent.
abc Aug 15, 2012 08:36pm
Great follower of te GREAT Sir Zaid Hamid. Amazing Ms Paki girl.
abc Aug 15, 2012 09:17pm
Mr. Khalid is correct (partially). i.e., IITs were started with foreign funding and expertise, as in the 1950s, India lacked both. And it is the best example for prioritizing knowledge and education, before anything else. There is no shame in aspiring to gain knowledge from everywhere and anywhere possible. Now, all the IITs are indigenous. However knowledge sharing is still very much its core pursuit and IITs takes pride in it.
Naeem Aug 15, 2012 11:03pm
Folks whey are we fighting about who ruled who way back then!!! Who cares. The important think is the future. As a Muslim and a pakistani, i want the best of relationship with India. I do not hate Hindus or Indians. On the contrary, I feel sad that I have been deprived of their friendship, their rich history, wonderful culture, the diversity of the nation,arts,music, cussine, etc. India and Hindus for me are very special. I loathe the politicans who have divided us!!!
salil manoj shende Aug 16, 2012 06:48am
I was in San fransisco with my 3 other hindu friend and 1 indian muslim friend. We enjoyed biryani from a pakistani restaurant. And many many times I have loved mediterinean food. Hammus and Falafal being my favourate. And pakistani too love indian food and restaunt in USA. It is you guys sitting in pakistan who are taught hatred from school days which makes you believe in whatevr you are told. and is against muslim.
Anwar Chaudhry Aug 20, 2012 12:39pm
Mr. B K How do you feel about 2500 Muslims slaughtered (killed) by State sponcered Hindos in Gujrat? talk to yourself they were very very important people for some one in this world and all those left behind are living miserable life in Gujrat go there and see with your own eyes. What a shame to very powerfull lobby of Gujrati in USA could not get visit visa to C.M of Gujrat... for your further informations try your best to find out who is beneficeries of Mumbai 26/11?
Anoop Aug 19, 2012 09:54am
Vineeth, Read the history first before making these commets. India held the refrendum in Junagarh and won it hands dow. Pakistan refused to accept it. Shahnawaj Bhutto ( Benazir Bhutto's grandfather and prime minister of Junagarh) ran away to Pakistan with the treasury. Nawab of Junagarh also went to Pak. He died a Poor man later on.
Anoop Aug 19, 2012 09:48am
People of Pakistan should thank Indian National Congress and Nehru for handing them Blochistan and NWFP on a silver platter. India could have easily taken these provonces in 1947. Khan of Kalat wanted to be part of India. Nehru rejected his surrender documents on the advice of Jinnah and sent the Kalat docs to JInnah. Congress would have won the refrendum of NWFP, but congress and Lal Kurti group of Badshah Khan boycotted the refrendum. Still Pakistan could only get 51% of the votes cast. Please study these in detail. Being nice to Pak Leaders never pays. India should know by now.
Ali Aug 18, 2012 06:43pm
Well said Paki girl-bravo. What a great response to these Indians.
Ali Aug 18, 2012 06:50pm
Actually the comments before the parliament attack also shows hate-rid so no it was not the reason. Also, Pakistan has a court system and no court will just send some to jail by a recorded message from another country. Would India do so? Please use your logic, you are all sane people so no the parliament attack and the justice system is not the cause and if it is then force your government to allow access to Ajmal Kasab
Syed Nazim Aug 20, 2012 05:45am
There is another inhuman storey of relations between India and Pakistan. Some Pakistani girls are married to Indians and are living in India for decades but are not granted indian citizenship. There are living on visa for which extentions are sought by husband and wife from time to time. These girls can not take up jobs and take part in local activities beside being haunted by intelligece agencies. There is no such examle in the world. Where are Human Right Commission. With this state of miund, there is no hope of easy visits between the two countries for a century. Leaders of two counties are fooling people.
Deep Aug 21, 2012 04:33pm
You are not visiting Indian newspaper site does not mean that noone from Pakistan visit Indian newspaper site. If someone from India write hateful comment then it does not mean that every Indian thinks like him/her. You proved your hate. EID mubarak to all pakistanis and muslims across the globe. Cheers
sujata Aug 22, 2012 02:18am
@Indians who write so negatively - Put a lid on it, will you please? You would never speak that way if you met a Pakistani in a drawing room, so why do you do so on a forum? Try to imagine a real person with real feelings and you will realise that you are no better than the terrorist you condemn when you speak with contempt. In the Bible it is written that anyone who hates his brother is guilty of murder. As for me, I am an Indian and consider Pakistanis my brother/sister/neighbor and friend. I have seen whenever you get an Indian and Pakistani together in a room, most of the time they will strike up a conversation and become really friendly within minutes. That should tell us something surely? If only we could get rid of the slimy politicians and mafia and those religious nuts on both sides, we would have that peace and friendship both sides desire.
ASP Aug 22, 2012 02:53am
It's quite easy to get comments on such articles regardless of it's quality. Truth is relations between the two countries will never become better as both have different rather opposing whims and agendas. Stats are quite misleading, I don't think 65% of Pakistanis want good relations with India rather 100% of them want good relations with India but everyone of them has his/her own conditions. With conditions come impossibility of anything reverend between the two. There remains a big misconception among many that Pakistan will be divided among multiple states and India is bullet proof to that phenomenon. Indian government is expert in controlling her media and has been quite successful in hiding above 10 freedom movements currently going on in India. I feel pity when all of a sudden poor Indians will be informed about "segregation of their bharat mata".
Venu Aug 22, 2012 09:31pm
Quite simply Desi, I want to see normal people - and I believe there are quite a few of them in Pakistan - just like there are quite a few of radicals in India!