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ISLAMABAD: India’s unwillingness to allow other Saarc countries to participate in the development of a Saarc satellite made Pakistan quit the project.
Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria, while explaining Pakistan’s absence from the South Asian Satellite launched by India on Friday, said: “As India was not willing to develop the project on a collaborative basis, it was not possible for Pakistan to support it as a regional project under the umbrella of Saarc.”
Mr Zakaria recalled that India had at the 18th Saarc (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) summit in Kathmandu in 2014 had offered to gift Saarc satellite to member countries, but it turned out that India wanted to build, launch and operate the satellite all by itself except for registering it with the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) as a Saarc Satellite.
“Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, was ready to share its expertise and technological know-how and was keen to participate in the project but India’s solo flight caused Pakistan to opt out of the project,” the spokesman said.
The satellite, after Pakistan’s departure from the project, was renamed as the South Asian Satellite.
Asked for update on the case of a retired colonel, who went missing in Nepal last month, the spokesman said that the matter was being pursued with the Nepalese government, but there had been “not much progress”.
He said the outcome of the investigations being carried out by the Nepal government was awaited.
Published in Dawn, May 6th, 2017
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May 06, 2017 07:53am
what kind of advanced Space program does Pakistan has.
I would like to know
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May 06, 2017 10:51am
@ram Pakistan launched a communication satellite as early as 1990 called Badr-1, developed locally. Launched another Badr-B in 2001, developed locally but launched through Kazakhistan.
In 2011 Pakistan launched an advance communication satellite Paksat-1R developed at the cost of 240 million USD. Pakistan has launched 5 satellites so far.
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May 06, 2017 11:13am
Good decision by Pakistan because it create doubts in our minds when india said they will build and operate. Who knows what will be intentions behind this.
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May 06, 2017 11:25am
@Maxx with the help of others - USA, IRON BROTHER
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May 06, 2017 11:27am
Good decision Pakistan.
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May 06, 2017 11:27am
@naveed The Rs 450 crore satellite (Gsat-9) will link all Saarc countries except Pakistan as the latter opted out of the project. The 2,230 kg satellite, with a mission life of over 12 years, will provide communications and disaster support among other services to India and its neighbours.
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May 06, 2017 11:27am
All south asian countries should participate in this. Its collectively group initiative. So pakistan should ignore personal issue with India. This sent wrong message to rest of world. Most of pakistan space program is dependent on China. Best of luck for space program.
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May 06, 2017 11:28am
@naveed The satellite carries KU-band transponders which India’s neighbours can make use of — free of charge — for different needs. A communication satellite can be used for a variety of purposes like broadcast services, Tele-medicine and Tele-education, banking networks, and direct-to-home television.
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May 06, 2017 11:31am
That is perfectly all right. There is no problem having a competition on science. Let Pakistan take the inspiration and build their own version of south Asian satellite. This competion is good for the region's prosperity.
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May 06, 2017 11:31am
What can be better, someone else builds, spends and you get a free benefit!..hence why called a gift. Otherwise its like China offering investment..when its really giving a loan!
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May 06, 2017 11:34am
@amir_indian Only NESCOM, Pakistan has a staff of 36,000 persons. The National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM) is a civilian controlled scientific and engineering organization in Pakistan, carrying out research and development in many areas including information technology, fluid dynamics, aerodynamics, aerospace engineering, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering and chemical engineering, with specialties in the design and production of communication systems and aerodynamic vehicles.
In 2007 it was reported that NESCOM had exported products worth approximately $40 million annually to various countries in the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.
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May 06, 2017 11:35am
"Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level", still laughing.
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May 06, 2017 11:38am
Pakistan's decision to not join SAARC satellite is contrary to South Asian Regional Cooperation.
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May 06, 2017 11:39am
@naveed Its ok. Others are very hapy with the Mobile, TV and ATM network it will provide.
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May 06, 2017 11:40am
The claim of the FO spokesman that Pakistan has an advanced space program and was willing to share expertise is laughable. It has never managed to launch a satellite on its own. As for the satellites themselves, except for small microsatellites like Badr with very limited capabilities, its Paksat-1R and the upcoming PRSS are all designed and built by China.
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May 06, 2017 11:40am
@amir_indian Even here, ISRO will be dependent on help from NASA's network of satellites and antennae based in Spain, Australia and the US to provide navigation and tracking support. Such cooperation has been in existence since the 2008 launch of the Chandrayaan-I moon orbiter, when ISRO flew two NASA instruments.
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May 06, 2017 11:41am
@ram Pakistan Space program has a long way to go.
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May 06, 2017 11:42am
Pakistan is the isolated SAARC nation, as always.
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May 06, 2017 11:42am
Space program at an advance level? Kindly consider taking PIA first to basic level please
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May 06, 2017 11:46am
SUPARCO is a world known agency. Why they need ISRO?
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May 06, 2017 11:47am
@ram Pakistan space program has a long way to go. Indians have tech but have budget constrains. But now ISRO is making profits through commercial satellite launches for other countries. ISRO is planning manned missions and Indian Indian space travelers are being trained at Sriharikota. They will be called Vyomanauts.
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May 06, 2017 11:49am
Hahaha... Lame excuses... as always!!
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May 06, 2017 11:49am
@patriot “Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level"...your ignorance and arrogance is strange. Any programme can be at advance level, it is about to achieve the maturity level, at completion level, not necessarily an advance programme related to US or other countries.
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May 06, 2017 11:49am
@Maxx ... none of them were launched by Pak... SUPERCO doesn't has its own launchers ... advanvced space programme !!! we have more than 75 satellites with two reliable launchers even after creating ISRO 9 years after SUPERCO... for us in space, Bangladesh and pakistan has same status(just remove the iron brother and then compare) ...
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May 06, 2017 11:51am
@Maxx wow tremendous achievement of 5 satellites
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May 06, 2017 11:51am
@patriot "Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level", still laughing
may be they are planning to put one outside milkyway galaxy .advanced one yeah .
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May 06, 2017 11:54am
@amir_indian - with little knowledge of science I even think it can be used for spying?
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May 06, 2017 11:55am
@BharathBh Just as you remain isolated in one belt one road (OBOR) project.
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May 06, 2017 11:57am
Afghan Bangladesh can be the receiver of this donation.. Pak shudnt accept it
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May 06, 2017 11:58am
Did the spokesman say "Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level" with a straight face? These guys are beyond comical.
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May 06, 2017 11:59am
Hahahaha advanced space programme of suppraco hahaha made my day
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May 06, 2017 11:59am
@patriot - how advanced are induan communication with call drops in phones and poor quality of sound. It has to develop its own first.
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May 06, 2017 12:03pm
Thank you sir for opting out,we are greatfull to you.
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May 06, 2017 12:05pm
Why Pakistan is not on the same page like other SAARC members?
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May 06, 2017 12:07pm
@Maxx Indian troll shall know. thank you for replying to them
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May 06, 2017 12:08pm
@Maxx
Will you Be taking loan from IMF for the next satellite ?
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May 06, 2017 12:10pm
In what way can building or operating of the satellite be "shared" between two countries? In practice there has to be one responsible party. When a country rents a transponder on a satellite belonging to another country, what sharing takes place?
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May 06, 2017 12:13pm
Most probably a satellite to spy to monitor conversations taking place.
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May 06, 2017 12:14pm
@Shanawaz Wake up its not the 80s India has good quality network now and Free 4g :) yes you are reading right FREE 4G.
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May 06, 2017 12:15pm
"Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, was ready to share its expertise and technological know-how "
OMG, what a joke !
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May 06, 2017 12:15pm
There are comparatively lesser achievements of our space program.
Pakistan has brilliant scientists, technicians and engineers. The government has only to utilize such resources judiciously and set its priorities right. We must make rapid progress in this field.
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May 06, 2017 12:16pm
@ARINDAMPRIN Bangladesh too has a pro development and pro economic agenda.
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May 06, 2017 12:18pm
@Raja well said
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May 06, 2017 12:20pm
Due to Pakistan there seems to be indiscipline in SAARC. Its time to for SAARC to take disciplinary action.
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May 06, 2017 12:21pm
@Desi dimag Everything in Pakistan is world famous but no result. SUPARCo started 5 years earlier than ISRO but still infant stage.
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May 06, 2017 12:24pm
Advanced program?? Then pakistan should also develop a satellite during these two years. It was a gift from india which was already mentioned. It's basically a ego problems for india and pakistan both.
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May 06, 2017 12:26pm
“Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, was ready to share its expertise and technological know-how and was keen to participate in the project but India’s solo flight caused Pakistan to opt out of the project”.
Wow!! Pakistan should have demonstrated there so called know-how [china gifted satellite rudimentary satellite]. Purpose: Invite for lunch, they demand share of your house as a right.
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May 06, 2017 12:28pm
@Shanawaz Are you talking about Pakistan telecom.
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May 06, 2017 12:30pm
@Shanawaz
Even without joining, it still spy them. Will it not?
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May 06, 2017 12:34pm
@Hanifpk, hats off to you for saying that boldly! Truth always triumphs!
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May 06, 2017 12:34pm
Dear FO you need not explain why Pakistan quit Saarc satellite project.it is more than obvious.
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May 06, 2017 12:35pm
It is time pakistan quit SAARC as well
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May 06, 2017 12:36pm
Advanced level?
Since when?
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May 06, 2017 12:36pm
By this decision by Pak, are making many people skeptical about whether Pakistan is part of SAARC.
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May 06, 2017 12:37pm
@disciplinary action "Due to Pakistan there seems to be indiscipline in SAARC. Its time to for SAARC to take disciplinary action.". Good idea. Maybe we can start by explaining why India stopped other SAARC countries from attending SAARC meeting in Pakistan.
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May 06, 2017 12:39pm
@ARINDAMPRIN Pakistani engineers have worked closely with their Chinese counterparts during all stages of development of the satellite in China. Some experimental units developed at SUPARCO have also been integrated on the satellite for technology evaluation.
https://www.dawn.com/news/651018
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May 06, 2017 12:43pm
By 'Advanced level' he mean to say it is at an advanced level of completion and maturity, relating to PRSS-1 to be launched next year...everyone got it wrong here.
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May 06, 2017 12:45pm
It makes sense, if they had graciously accepted the gift then it woudnt be possible to claim 'no mobile coverage' to account for 'disappearances' ;)
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May 06, 2017 12:54pm
Good foreign policy decision by Pakistan. Let it make many more such decisions in future.
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May 06, 2017 12:55pm
"Pakistan has an Advanced Space program," Day not far when the FO claims Pakistan donates money to the US and China.
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May 06, 2017 12:55pm
First of all it was a gift and not collaborative project so pakistan do not need to explain why it didn't join the project.
Secondly as said by pakistan that" India wanted to build, launch and operate the satellite all by itself " do Pakistan has a capacity or capability to either build, launch or operate these satellite.
Thirdly what advanced space program you have and what technological know how you can share with India, in Pakistan in the name of science or technology or advanced anything you have a Nukes and that's it Pakistan should come to terms with it.
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May 06, 2017 12:56pm
By joining the satellite launch it was an opportunity for Pakistan to have good relations with India, but Pakistan missed the opportunity.
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May 06, 2017 12:59pm
@Maxx and that's what you call a advanced space program, and want to share Pakistans advanced technology know how with south Asia.
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May 06, 2017 01:02pm
Wait for CPEC. Then NASA shall launch its satellites from Pakistan
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May 06, 2017 01:06pm
@Maxx : Not Launched but developed, pakistan doesnt have Satellite launching capability.
btw, Indian engineering graduates from IIT have developed more satellites than pakistan and ISRO had put it in orbit.
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May 06, 2017 01:14pm
Only technical problem was E.G.O problem.Why India would take extra burden of tele-satellites if it wants to send spy satellites,it can do it openly shouting from rooftop.Please NFP write something on "Pakistan's advance satellites".
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May 06, 2017 01:16pm
“Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, was ready to share its expertise and technological know-how" ... really ????????
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May 06, 2017 01:17pm
In Jan-2017 Pakistan has launched ballistic missile MRBM Ababeel which have similar technology of Space rockets. Wandering how pakistan indigenously developed ballistic missiles without space rocket knowledge ?
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May 06, 2017 01:18pm
Pakistan should have agreed to join the satellite launch without ifs and buts like other SAARC nations.
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May 06, 2017 01:19pm
@Rakesh Jain By 'Advanced level' he mean to say it is at an advanced level of completion and maturity, relating to PRSS-1 to be launched next year...everyone got it wrong here.
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May 06, 2017 01:24pm
In Jan-2017 Pakistan has launched ballistic missile MRBM Ababeel which have similar technology of Space rockets. Wandering how pakistan indigenously developed ballistic missiles without space rocket knowledge ?
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May 06, 2017 01:25pm
@Raaj Local Pakistani students from IST has developed CubeSat...yes it is true that Pakistan doesn't has the PSLV/GSLV launch infra and that need to be developed.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1057771
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May 06, 2017 01:26pm
Its like "I can't accept my birthday gift because I didn't payed for it".
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May 06, 2017 01:30pm
Its time to give farewell to Pakistan from SAARC.
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May 06, 2017 01:31pm
Good move by India. If Pakistan launches such a satellite, I am sure the Indians would want to be a part of it.
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May 06, 2017 01:34pm
What is the point in having Pakistan as SAARC member if it is non-cooperative on many major urgent issues?
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May 06, 2017 01:34pm
@naveed So there was no suspicion in the minds of the people of other SAARC countries except us, the exception always? Why do we need to be such negative people? What poison has been sown collectively in our turbulent suspicious minds? Take the first decent step in cooperation is all i need to say.
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May 06, 2017 01:36pm
In Jan-2017 Pakistan has launched ballistic missile MRBM Ababeel which have similar technology of Space rockets. Wandering how is it possible to develop ballistic missiles without space rocket knowledge ?
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May 06, 2017 01:37pm
Explanation coz u have missed the opportunity. Else y to give explanation on this.
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May 06, 2017 01:39pm
For all Indian trolls: pak DOES have an 'Advanced' Level space program; its being taught in all mission schools in karachi and elsewhere; 'A' level astronomy. So, please knock it off.
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May 06, 2017 01:42pm
Such false propaganda is definitely needed now for justifying the missed opportunity.. Must be feeling completely left out,disconnected from neighbouring nations and embarrassed. However, good-luck for the indigenous (Read made in China) space program.
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May 06, 2017 01:42pm
@RJ We are here talking about cutting edge technology not some 2-lane road. Even congo can build better roads.
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May 06, 2017 01:43pm
@Shanawaz
@SAJJAD KHAN-SHERWANI
India does not need this satellite for spying, far more sophisticated ones are already in orbit doing the job. The ability to see enemies in shadows reflects extreme level of insecurity.
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May 06, 2017 01:45pm
People making fun of SUPARCO do not know about a deal between it and PIA to convert current PIA airplanes into Spaceships. All you have to do is fill more fuel and take off vertically.
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May 06, 2017 01:46pm
Pakistan believes SAARC is of no use to Pakistan.
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May 06, 2017 01:46pm
@Aayan In today's news, consequent to this launch, China has expressed its desire that both China and India should work together in space expertise. So, Pakistan should please reconsider to join the project. Let not small issues deprive the aspirations of people.
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May 06, 2017 01:52pm
@Maxx 36000 people delivering only $40 million worth of Exports?? The Mars mission itself was made at a cost of $80 million. RELIANCE has roughly the same size of NESCOM and does a business of over $30 Billion... Read it one more time... It's billion...
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May 06, 2017 01:53pm
Pakistan wants to disconnect itself from India and SAARC, it feels both are of no use to Pakistan.
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May 06, 2017 01:53pm
@Maxx
I used to work in higher education and I am sorry to say that our technology lacks far behind India. Government in Pakistan is serious about metrobuses and not education or research.
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May 06, 2017 02:02pm
Being a Pakistani, I am very happy with statement. Shabash FO.
It is the right time we (people, government, our Army and scientists) must take a serious decision and tell the whole world, Pakistan may go beyond limits of sky to space. It is my high dream to see that day.
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May 06, 2017 02:04pm
I think we all know what happened when a Pakistani scientist was allowed in to URENCO, in Netherland. Don't want to repeat same again.
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May 06, 2017 02:06pm
Indians should know that making and launching Satellites is also part of CPEC project.
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May 06, 2017 02:12pm
@Imtiaz, appreciate your boldness to say the truth as it is! No need to be ashamed of and hats off to you ! This is a good sign towards progress and development.
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May 06, 2017 02:13pm
Pakistan is showing so much of indiscipline in SAARC because it feels it has Chinese support.
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May 06, 2017 02:18pm
@naveed you also need to understand one thing no one shares their rocket science. So it's not possible in practical world. Yes but after built it you can use its facilities.
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May 06, 2017 02:19pm
Well done Pakistan for not accepting but the response should be a harsher one because of the current situation. The Response our Army gives is what should be given as Modi and their govt does. I appreciate their satellite launch but this is very much achievable for Pakistan. We have all the technical skills manpower but need political stability. And I don't understand why Indians are upset Pakistan not accepting the invitation as if they are accepting our friendship offers in the form of refusing Cricket series, threatening and sending our actors and students. What are they expecting from us
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May 06, 2017 02:20pm
tit for tat, you are on the project of isolating us regionally, please at least keep up with your own statements.
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May 06, 2017 02:29pm
@Imtiaz Actually the higher education in India is on a free fall and lacks the standards for the simple reason that there is a huge quota based system in India for scheduled caste, about 50% for them and that has deteriorated the standards down.
No wonder according to Indian media reports about 80% of graduates coming out from Indian colleges lacks skill and are unemployable...can be Google searched.
Pakistan has about 7 universities in QS top 300 universities in Asia, and that doesn't includes many private sector universities in Pakistan. An average better than India if you look at the population difference between two countries.
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May 06, 2017 02:30pm
@Maxx lissen carefully..No nation shares space secrets..NoOne..its the last frontier mian.
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May 06, 2017 02:31pm
SAARC is an organisation of smaller countries which have no impact on world politics except India and Pakistan. It's high time we should quit the organisation. Pakistan have much better access to other Muslim countries and China which are powerful nations. Let India be happy with the SAARC. India is the only country which has made this kind of satellite....lol...if it makes them happy then they should be..
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May 06, 2017 02:32pm
"Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level"
What a joke!
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May 06, 2017 02:34pm
It was your decision not to join. Fair enough. Where is the need for clarification now.
You have deprived your people services of a free transponder which could have been used for communication to remote areas. That would have reduced the cost of such services.
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May 06, 2017 02:42pm
thank you India love from afghanistan
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May 06, 2017 02:43pm
@Imtiaz They are behind the metro buses because there only big chunk of booty will get. What will they from Govt sponsored space programme.
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May 06, 2017 02:44pm
It is a gift from India to SAARC nations. Pakistan did not want to become part of it, so be it. It is their choice. There is no joint development here. Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh are going to use it for governance issues, tele medicine, tele education, weather monitoring, disaster management, and almost anything where remote sensing and digital data based service can be made available. In course of time it will present these countries with an excellent platform for mutual cooperation and shared development. Augurs well.
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May 06, 2017 02:45pm
By reading Indian brother comments one thing is clear, as one visiting Indian to Pakistan has aptly put 'Pakistan is not what you got to hear in the Indian media'. This is the crux...the other thing is, judging by the number of neighbors comments and the recommendations...on average 5-6 times more Indians visit this forum than Pakistanis.
Actually good and encouraging trend to lessen the proverbial 'trust deficit'.
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May 06, 2017 02:45pm
@Disconnect he SUPARCO suffered a major setback and failure in its satellite programme when the satellite, two years after its launch, was lost in deep space and failed to reassure its orbital slots and reentry.[
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May 06, 2017 02:54pm
Pakistan doesn't need satellites we have CPEC.
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May 06, 2017 02:54pm
@tt thank you Pakistan for not joining the program
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May 06, 2017 02:59pm
Why this reason (Pak has advanced technical know-how) was not immediately given for opting out.
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May 06, 2017 03:09pm
OK, will go with your assertion that Pakistan has the most advanced space program, then why didn't Pakistan offer fruits of that program to the SAARC countries? It is a gift from India, instead Pakistan wanted to politicize this gift. Therein lies the difference in approach for cooperation in South Asia, hence Pakistan was snubbed out. FYI all the heads of SAARC countries minus Pakistan joined over a video conference to inaugurate this satellite ,that is what means co-operation and working together !!!!
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May 06, 2017 03:12pm
Pakistan has its own space programme at an advanced level- how many satellites has pakistan built until now? Can pakistani FO explain.
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May 06, 2017 03:13pm
@Maxx most of the scientists in NASA are Indians. We have our own navigation satellite IRNSS.
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May 06, 2017 03:21pm
@Metaphor Check the condition of the roads in your country, two lane highways may be common in India, here we have proper motorways.
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May 06, 2017 03:22pm
Good decision by Pakistan. Pakistan is more than capable of launching its own satellites.
India cannot be trusted and we shouldn't give them bragging rights in this regard.
We need to do it ourselves and learn from our mistakes to improve.
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May 06, 2017 03:24pm
@Udhai most of the scientists in NASA are Indians.
This is actually false news, an internet hoax spread by the Indian media...check TOI reports about it. The news of 40% Indians in NASA is a false news...Indians love such false chest thumping news. Google search TOI...
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May 06, 2017 03:25pm
This is called self isolation..
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May 06, 2017 03:29pm
Joining SAARC satellite is not in Pakistan's National Interest.
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May 06, 2017 03:33pm
@Kishore "I think we all know what happened when a Pakistani scientist was allowed in to URENCO, in Netherland. Don't want to repeat same again." Kishore I don't think many Pakistanis know what you are talking about, can you please brief about it?
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May 06, 2017 03:35pm
Pak has survived without satellites so far . Nothing wrong . I feel they should develop their own satellites . In the long run it will benefit.
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May 06, 2017 03:36pm
@Metaphor You tech is so cutting edge that none of the neighbours are acquiring their setallites from ISRO, check where Sri Lankan & Bangladeshi satellites are being built. Also we all know how tech savvy DRDO is.
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May 06, 2017 03:38pm
@South Asia ...You know nothing!!!.
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May 06, 2017 03:42pm
@ram ...You are a random faceless Dawn reader from India demanding to know about Pakistan's space program,give me a break Mister and get a life!!.
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May 06, 2017 03:47pm
@Maxx . Gr8. Keep it up. Hope for good results
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May 06, 2017 03:56pm
@Maxx :badr manufactured locally in America and paksat manufactured locally in china
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May 06, 2017 04:03pm
@AZEEZ You are delusional...check below.
July 16 marks the completion of 20 years of the launch of BADR-1, Pakistan's first indigenously built artificial satellite.
The launch was an achievement by a small team of dedicated Pakistanis opening a window of opportunity for the future generations.
https://www.dawn.com/news/869164/badr-1-satellite-and-beyond
BADR-1 was an experimental satellite manufactured to enhance local infrastructure and train human resources to undertake space missions especially for telecommunications, video broadcasting and monitoring of earth's resources.
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May 06, 2017 04:11pm
Reproducing N.Sid comments here....'By reading Indian brother comments one thing is clear, as one visiting Indian to Pakistan has aptly put 'Pakistan is not what you got to hear in the Indian media'. This is the crux...the other thing is, judging by the number of neighbors comments and the recommendations...on average 5-6 times more Indians visit this forum than Pakistanis.'
Actually good and encouraging trend to lessen the proverbial 'trust deficit'.
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May 06, 2017 04:14pm
@Maxx, India launch these number of satellites in 4 months
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May 06, 2017 04:21pm
@SHAGGY It is not about numbers, more about requirement. BTW that 101 satellite launch in one go has 90% of very small 1 kilogram to 2 kilogram small experimental satellites, given to India on cost advantage...many minuscule satellites from US and EU, does that mean they don't have the launch facility...
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May 06, 2017 04:24pm
@SHAGGY Are you sure about it. India took three long years to develop this SAARC satellite. Launching others nation satellite due to cost advantage doesn't count as one.
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May 06, 2017 04:26pm
Excellent decision by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to quit and refrain from becoming a part of the project because of the acute eccentricity, absolute unilateralism, total bull-headedness and astounding self-centered attitude of the "movers and shakers" in New Delhi, who always want to lead without being the real leaders.
In fact, the ruling class of India wants to dominate whole of South Asia especially they have a penchant to command and control all of its neighbors, whom they actually consider as their subordinates. Unfortunately, their unwillingness to allow other Saarc countries to take part in any development projects including the recent Saarc satellite is testimony to the fact that India wants to impose its "begged, borrowed or stolen" technology on others, which is already old, defunct, outdated and obsolete.
What a shame?
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May 06, 2017 04:32pm
What chance IWT renegotiation stand when collaboration on satellite sharing free of cost can't be agreed upon!!!
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May 06, 2017 04:33pm
Pakistan has done the right thing not to participate in the project.
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May 06, 2017 04:40pm
Why all of you Indians have issues with Pakistan not joining your so-called space program.
Aren't we competing you in every field in fact much ahead in missile technology and nuclear ranks.
India is continuously refusing to our peace process talks.Grasping rights of Kashmiris.
Have you forgotten words of your first PM.In fact "hum idhar, tum udhar" is right policy of Pakistan officials.
Please don't give us such type of donation which are disguise like "Baghal mein churi, mu mein ram ram".
Whole world knows the true face of Indian government.It is the matter of time.Few interests of International powers.But a day will come when Indian tyranny and double standards would reveal.
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May 06, 2017 04:41pm
@ram More advanced then yours, just as our missile technology is more advanced then yours.
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May 06, 2017 04:43pm
@Ram
also, if Pak has an advanced satellite system, can they also launch another satellite independently (at their cost) for the benefit of SAARC countries (including/excluding India)
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May 06, 2017 04:44pm
Yes it is a good decision by Pak. When they have expertise to build and launch satellites, then, there is no need to take any thing free from India.
What Pakistan can do is - they can build a satellite for all south asian countries and offer free to all of them to compete with India.
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May 06, 2017 04:48pm
India announced it was a gift. India did not announce a joint venture to build the satellite so where was the confusion? Fact is that India is light years ahead of SAARC countries in space technology and these technologies are not shared even with the best of allies. Pakistan should have accepted and enjoyed the gift and should look at iron brother China for help in developing it's space program.
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May 06, 2017 04:52pm
@Maxx guys I work in NASA . In US you are not allowed to give that stat. But believe me Indian are there in all the NASA department from top to bottom
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May 06, 2017 05:01pm
To the indians talking about Pakistan putting a satellite in the milky way, how about you put one over Kashmir first? They still don't have their internet services...
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May 06, 2017 05:12pm
I am confused. If India says it is a gift, then why would it take others to help build it? Ofcourse, good Pakistan has not taken it, but still this logic is strange. And if India wants to spy on Pakistan, then it can keep sending other satellites, and must have already done so.
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May 06, 2017 05:14pm
@ram
Now you keep you know how and don't ask for Pakistan's. The future will answer your question.
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May 06, 2017 05:15pm
@MAXX, Thank you! Your lone wolf effort in thwarting the indian fake news and trolls its commendable. Keep it up!
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May 06, 2017 05:21pm
@Surya - "Indian are there in all the NASA department from top to bottom"
Yes, they are just like this:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/India-rising-in-US-Govt-falls-victim-to-net-hoax/articleshow/2856295.cms
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May 06, 2017 05:27pm
@SAb Sy PEHLY PAKISTAN We completely aware of our fist prime ministers word. But Pakistan has to act first as per UN resolation not India first.
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May 06, 2017 05:28pm
@SAb Sy PEHLY PAKISTAN Problem with a section of leadership in Pakistan is that they have ego problem in taking any co-operation or support from India. Yesterday China has asked India to have joint effort in space program and India will join that. What is Pakistani leadership gain by not taking support. Am sure most people would have not considered this as ego problem and willing to exchange whatever each country has as strength.
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May 06, 2017 05:31pm
@Natey think about the future of nation. What ur next generation want. Technology towards construction or technology towards destruction.
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May 06, 2017 05:32pm
@Angry pitbull : "...ballistic missile MRBM Ababeel which have similar technology of Space rockets"
Actually, launching a satellite in geo stationary orbit in space needs a wee bit more technology than merely shooting a rocket off from ground to ground.
We don't even have the technology to shoot down these rockets which India has already developed.
Better not to say anything than to say something and show the world our ignorance.
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May 06, 2017 05:33pm
oh 5 till now!!! really advanced rtack record..where India just launched 103 satellites only in one go
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May 06, 2017 05:48pm
@ram, you will know very soon, our eyes are open we know very well what's going on in our neighborhood.
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May 06, 2017 05:49pm
@Babar oh 5 till now!!! really advanced rtack record..where India just launched 103 satellites only in one go.
What ISRO launched was 103 smaller 'nano satellites' which would weigh a combined 664 kg, also called cube satellites...they were experimental satellites launched and except for 2 all of them were not Indian. Even the Indian Cartosat weigh just 15 kg.
So no use comparing it with big professional satellites launched which normally weights about 2200 kg or more. Pakistan Paksat-1R weight was in excess of 2000 kg.
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May 06, 2017 06:01pm
This SAARC satellite is a spy and surveillance platform that why India did not want to share development activities. They are hiding some important gear in it.
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May 06, 2017 06:01pm
With India in charge of the project, how can we sure that communication would not be hacked or monitored by them.
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May 06, 2017 06:06pm
@babar not a very nice way to treat a neighbor even if you are competitors. What can we get out of these comparisons love,respect,cooperation in any field? It hardly befits us.
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May 06, 2017 06:09pm
@jawaid I agree with you. Pakistanis are as brilliant as Indians or for that matter as anyone else. But is the govt focus is in right direction?
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May 06, 2017 06:14pm
@Maxx CEO of Google Microsoft HCl Adobe and many are Indians not Pakistanis.
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May 06, 2017 06:18pm
Those Pakistanis who think this satellite will be used for spying, rest assured India along with USA are already spying using various satellites,there is nothing that you can do about it.
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May 06, 2017 06:22pm
@Maxx using small satellites, as small as possible is a smart move,that is the norm in this industry.If something can be done with 15kg satellite only a fool will use 2 ton satellite for such purpose.
Kindly browse about space junk please.
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May 06, 2017 06:29pm
@JSR "CEO of Google Microsoft HCl Adobe and many are Indians not Pakistanis."
So why do you think they are Indians and not Chinese who outnumber India in Ivy league universities in US by 3:1 ratio.
Because there is no Google in China, there is local Weibo, no MS, all locally developed OS and what not.
So Indian CEO of MS or Adobe will get that marketing strategy working for these giant players, the empathy Indians have them will add more perks and privileges and the huge unexplored market in India with a population of 1.3 billion is the reason.
You must remember how big cosmetic companies made sure that every beauty pageant was won by Indian be it Miss Universe or Miss World title...marketing strategy dude. Every Indian women tried to look like one and big cosmetic companies are still reaping that harvest...
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May 06, 2017 06:33pm
@Abdul It definitely will be hacked. But we were never supposed to use it for transmitting sensitive information but for social projects like distant learning, weather info etc.
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May 06, 2017 06:34pm
@Udhai This is not correct, most of the scientists in NASA are not Indian or Indian origin.
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May 06, 2017 06:44pm
Given the number of my Indian brothers and sisters commenting here, a job well done FO I must say! They literally have nothing in life but be concerned with Pakistan.
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May 06, 2017 06:45pm
@amir_indian Indian space program will be dead in the water without NASA support !! US/NASA has provided key telemetry data and equipment to ISRO and many (in hundreds) of its scientists and engineers according to "Economist" of UK a prestigious magazine were trained in US at NASA and Ford Aerospace in Palo-Alto California. And who knows how much Russian help was there?
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May 06, 2017 06:56pm
@jamshed Ur rite, ther is always a collaboration from other countries who come here has experts, thats how it has to work. We r proud of our scientists.
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May 06, 2017 07:03pm
@Maxx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_satellites
you can't compare with ISRO :)
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May 06, 2017 07:07pm
Why other countries did not quit but Pakistan,Other are praising. Think.
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May 06, 2017 07:16pm
@ram, Pakistan installs satellite camera eye in pigeons and let them fly over India. Check with your Indian air defense forces.
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May 06, 2017 07:20pm
@naveed if you don't know the intentions of an communication and disaster management satellite then God helps your country's space programme
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May 06, 2017 07:27pm
@ram Pakistanis don't pretend to have launched satellites into space 5000 years back but we have I think four or five satellites in space since the 1990's.
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May 06, 2017 07:33pm
We already own most advanced satellites in south asia then there is no point to waste money on it. And Indian satellite support small poor countries like Bangladeshi, Nepal who can afford such technology plus they are under influence of India for few bucks. Then what's the big deal. Good decision by Pakistan.
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May 06, 2017 07:34pm
India has the most advanced space program in the world but doesn't know if a pigeon is a spy or a bird. Please stop thumping your featherweight chests for no reason. Thanks.
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May 06, 2017 07:37pm
This is called real EGO problem from Pakistan. Please learn from India
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May 06, 2017 07:47pm
Pakistan has to balance its relationship with India and China the two Asian giants like other SAARC countries in the region. Pakistan is making India unhappy by its overdependence on China.
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May 06, 2017 07:57pm
@Maxx . BADR-B, yes SUPARCO did the work.
But for PAKSAT 1 R , which came after a decade, SUPARCO had only developed a prototype of the satellite. The satellite was later developed by Great Wall Industry Corporation of China. It was funded and launched by China. All related tests were conducted in China as well. Suparco did have a role but very minimal at best.
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May 06, 2017 08:03pm
Why is Pakistan not accepting the free gift by India while all SAARC countries are happy in accepting it?
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May 06, 2017 08:04pm
Pakistan will be better off going alone and developing her own destiny in competition against India. Competitive minds has better chance of defeating the arch enemy type opponent. If no competition, there is no win.
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May 06, 2017 08:06pm
It is good for India that Pakistan did not wish to participate as per its anticipation, else Pakistan would have got upper hand.
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May 06, 2017 08:13pm
In the name of collaboration if Pakistan wants to learn space research they should clearly ask for it...and does india need any help from Pakistan for satellite making and launching..? A big NO... and it is a gift from india...and both in india and Pakistan we dont take help from those for whom gift is prepared....
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May 06, 2017 08:14pm
@Naresh BADR-B, yes SUPARCO did the work....you are partly right about PakSat-1R.
Pakistani engineers have worked closely with their Chinese counterparts during all stages of development of the satellite in China. Some experimental units developed at SUPARCO have also been integrated on the satellite for technology evaluation.
https://www.dawn.com/news/651018
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May 06, 2017 08:22pm
If Pakistan has advanced space program , why dont pakistan donate one satelite for SAARC countries. This donation will be helpful for all countries in the region.
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May 06, 2017 08:23pm
@Naresh Just to add Chinese are experts in reverse engineering, manufacturing, the hardware side of any tech. equipment, and contrary to the popular myth they lacks the software side tech, the high tech electronics, theoretical and research side of many things.
Contrary to the myth Pakistan scientists and engineers has helped Chinese in the theoretical and research side in developing JF-17 thunder and as written earlier in Paksat-1R development, also in cruise missile development and armed drones. But Chinese are narrowing the gap very fast with the west in cutting edge high technology.
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May 06, 2017 08:25pm
Thanks. It's not India's loss.
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May 06, 2017 08:26pm
MAXX.. Development of satellite is done by colleges not even university....
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May 06, 2017 08:29pm
There is ego wars between India and Pakistan,
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May 06, 2017 08:32pm
@Sunil burman the satellites developed in colleges are small 'nano' or cube satellite the size of your brain. In Pakistan such small half to 1 kilo weight satellites are developed by students also.
Large satellites with hundreds of functions, specifications are custom designed and weigh much more, as large as a big room with protruding arms and what not. No comparison between these.
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May 06, 2017 08:32pm
Article does not say why using a gift is a problem. Why is it important to be part of making the gift? Using gift does not stop Pak space programme.
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May 06, 2017 08:37pm
@Maxx : Pakistan has never "launched" the satellites you mention. They were launched by other countries. Pakistan did make some of the satellites though.
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May 06, 2017 08:45pm
Indian comments are full of boastfull, pompous bragging showing narcissistic attitude.
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May 06, 2017 08:45pm
For spying India does not need a SAARC satellite it can be done thru other satellites as well which can take high resolution pictures of Pakistan this satellite has different purpose and Pakistan wish to share its expertise or wanted to learn how a satellite build and operate that's the reason to join is as a co developer but what specific they wanted to specialised and provide is not told that speaks its just a excuse to opt out .
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May 06, 2017 08:46pm
@accept Saarc is a dead organization. Indians don't even participate in it if it is held in Pakistan. They don't even issue visas to Pakistani sportspersons. It's really a waste of time to talk about any cooperation among these countries right now. Hopefully things will change in the future.
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May 06, 2017 08:58pm
@ram ...and why would you like to know, as its not your concern. You deal with little boys, Nepal, Bhutan, sri Lanka. Don't mess with big tough boys like pakistan
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May 06, 2017 09:00pm
Why comment, no need. Anything Indian is suspect and we should not get involved. Saarc leadership should be given to China, then it will work. With Indian membership it is dead duck due to kashmir not resolved.
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May 06, 2017 09:02pm
@Maxx really!! U need to update your basic knowledge about space technology. The main thing is that how u can place those satellites in their specific orbit at high accuracy without fail at that speed. Is that necessary to build heavy satellites when you can get those functions in nano one.
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May 06, 2017 09:02pm
@amir_indian who do you think is helping india-Brother Russia. Otherwise nothing will work.
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May 06, 2017 09:03pm
@Maxx I am talking about Pakistan not China.
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May 06, 2017 09:03pm
@Mirror mirror " Indian comments are full of boastfull, pompous bragging showing narcissistic attitude."
This is nothing new or surprising, it is the rule and not the exception. Shows huge insecure feelings, complexes, ignorance and arrogance.
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May 06, 2017 09:03pm
@Aayan what stupid statement, 'ignore personal issue with India, it will send wrong message' . only message from Pakistan and world is to india-resolve Kashmir and stop killing them in IOK.
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May 06, 2017 09:06pm
@Desi dimag You are right, Suparco and ISRO are unknown in the world but each one doing joint ventures for their own respective countries. Suparco with US and China while India with Russia.
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May 06, 2017 09:08pm
It is quite funny when Pakistani intellectuals apprehend that the satellite can be used for spying.
Is there any thing that can't be put under surveillance ? Whatever you put on internet can be used for surveillance until the server is located in Pakistan .
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May 06, 2017 09:12pm
@Maxx. Indeed SUPARCO is older then ISRO and good to know you have launched five satellite. Why did you guys slowed down ? When you start accepting that having 5 satellites since 50s is enough to call yourself advanced then u r limiting your own potential.
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May 06, 2017 09:14pm
why FO needs to clarify now?
you are only embarrassing yourself
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May 06, 2017 09:15pm
We don't hAve a space program.
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May 06, 2017 09:16pm
@Shanawaz There are plenty of spy satellites, in other words remote sensing satellites which take pictures. They are not geostationary. This one is for communications.
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May 06, 2017 09:21pm
@SID Not expecting you not to fathom and gather the message when the FO Pakistan says 'It is in advanced stage of development' by it he meant the PRSS-1 which is to be deployed next year in advance stage of maturity and completion, he doesn't has to be specific.
So when the FO said “Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, he mean the maturity of the current ongoing programme...did he said Pakistan has an advanced space programme'.
Also as written earlier, Pakistan developed its first satellite in 1990, so its not in the 50's or a 50 year old programme. BTW when the PakSAt-1R was developed and launched with China help at a cost of 220 million USD, a big satellite with 30 transponders, it was the best in the region.
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May 06, 2017 09:22pm
@Maxx The PakSat-1R was developed by the China Great Wall Industry Corporation and financial funding came from the Chinese government .The PakSat-1R was launched on 11 August 2011 from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in Sichuan Province, China, by a Long March 3B/E (Chang Zheng-3B/E) launch vehicle. In 2010, China provided loans for setting up communication facilities at the SUPARCO Satellite Ground Station. What is the role of SUPARCO ?
PakSat-1R cost is $ 240 million. SAARC satellite cost is $ 70 million ( including operational cost) .
Anything SUPARCO did on its own ??
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May 06, 2017 09:24pm
@Sajjad Khan-Sherwani There must be other satellites for monitoring communications. Not this one.
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May 06, 2017 09:26pm
@Maxx
40 million is peanuts.
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May 06, 2017 09:32pm
“Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, was ready to share its expertise and technological knowhow and was keen to participate in the project but India’s solo flight caused Pakistan to opt out of the project,” the spokesman said.
This statement is inaccurate. Anyone can develop a satellite doesn't mean they have an advanced pace program. Only those countries who have the capability place satellites in orbit with the help of launch vehicles can claim that they have an advanced space program.
USSR, USA, France, Japan, China, UK, India, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Iran and North Korea) have independently launched satellites on their own indigenously developed launch vehicles.
ISRO 2017 budget is $1.4 billion while SUPARCO's budget is a meager $65.7 billion.Serious guys give me a break over here.
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May 06, 2017 09:36pm
I love the way they say 'Expertise'.
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May 06, 2017 09:41pm
Can Pakistan send a 500gm satellite in space?? What technical expertise they could share??
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May 06, 2017 09:41pm
@Adnan anwar
No country shares it's technology with another for free. So stop blaming each other.
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May 06, 2017 09:42pm
@ram. Pakistan's space and rocket technology is more advance than India. As for missile technology India 15 years behind.
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May 06, 2017 09:46pm
@non-cooperative Things may change at some point in the future. Germany in the 1930s was different from now.
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May 06, 2017 09:55pm
@Udhai Many, not most.
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May 06, 2017 09:56pm
@ram;
'what kind of advanced Space program does Pakistan has. I would like to know'
It is essentially a system integration project which we can also participate in. The barriers are political.
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May 06, 2017 10:01pm
@South Asia your are spot on that why we are fastest growing trilan dollar economy Pakistan no where near
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May 06, 2017 10:10pm
@Maxx compare with your country not with others
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May 06, 2017 10:12pm
@Raja You just can't take swallow the fact that Pakistan is going to become an economic force in the region due to CPEC. I know it huts, but get used to it. With all the countrie, left and right, wanting to participate, higher and more lucrative it becomes for Pakista. Do not gorget $54+ investment/loan is only China govt. imagine the private sector investments from all over the world. This 54 B will dwarf in comparision.
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May 06, 2017 10:17pm
Why inspite of having a advanced space program and advanced missile program Pakistan is not able to launch a satellite into space in its own?
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May 06, 2017 10:25pm
@Maxx china built it for Pakistan, I can provide evidence. Indian universities building high quality multipurpose satellites recent year, not a big thing.
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May 06, 2017 10:37pm
@ABCD Make one for your own use then go for upper hand. Suparco 60 years contribution is big zero and ISRO world leader and NASA is taking advise from ISRO.
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May 06, 2017 10:41pm
@jamshed Check one pakistani told this forum that Russia help India and NASA help Suparco. First you decide it is russian or USA.
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May 06, 2017 10:51pm
SARC is dead. South asian is the new group.
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May 06, 2017 10:55pm
@Shanawaz
Do you know call drops in India are fined to operators??? More over satellites are not used for your ordinary cell phones and land line phones. I think Pakistani are in dire need to some serious education. You could have used one given by IITs using satellite communication but you refused.
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May 06, 2017 10:57pm
@Maxx From 2004–2013, total orbital launches by country/region were: Russia: 270, US: 181, China: 108, Europe: 59, Japan: 24, India: 19 and Brazil: 1. I dont see pakistan's name anywhere . Please check wiki.
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May 06, 2017 11:21pm
@Shanawaz india has already put in orbit 2 nos.excluive for military use!further we have put in orbit 75 satelites so far.last 2 years we have put 6 cluster of satelites for comunication and getting geo-positional details. so this one need not be used for any spying. if at all we need, we have so many others already in motion!
we just do not care whether pak. joins or not but it is a pity that they do not co-operate on any of the joint agreements as per SARC charter. one tipical example is co-operation in transport facility for trade. you are denying opportunity for afgan and india land route thro" pak., creating bottlenecks for regional progress! STRANGE! you perhaps want only china, north korea coloboration! well best of luck!
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May 06, 2017 11:23pm
Why did F.O. has to explain ? Did anyone ask for it ?
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May 06, 2017 11:36pm
Pakistan must boycott all such programs in future also as we have all the capabilities which western nations have and this is far superior to India's. Pakistan is a major scientific force in the world and India can not dominate it.
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May 06, 2017 11:55pm
I am sure Pakistan has 'advanced' space program, but Pakistan here missing the picture. The idea behind launching satellite was to connect South Asian countries through satellite communication, not to prove India or Pakistan has 'advanced' space program. It is understandable, India has space program far more advanced than China and many other European countries so they might not want help from other countries. Can Pakistan launch a 'gift' satellite connecting other South Asian countries? I don't think so, so why not become a team player only Pakistan can explain?
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May 06, 2017 11:55pm
Any issue whether it is military or civilian or technology, my beloved Indian Brothers try very hard to convince our Pakistani Brothers, that we are doing the best. Is it necessary?. Pakistan is a sovereign country. Allow them to take their own decision & respect their views. Please do not try to educate them. India do not need any certificate from any one regarding their intention or capability. We believe in our current dynamic leader's motive and intention. For such a populous country, to prosper, we need a strong leader & we have PM Shri Narendra Modi'ji at the right time. Long Live Mother India. Jai Hind.
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May 07, 2017 12:03am
Great, the other nations didn't miss you at all and they are all happy you didn't get a free ride into the program........ So you don't have to make such a hue and cry...... Good for you......
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May 07, 2017 12:19am
How could the other SAARC nations contribute towards helping India? They can't build cars and want to help India? Do have the cryogenic engine required for GSLV mk2?
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May 07, 2017 12:33am
I am an Indian but I don't criticize Pakistan not to participate in this space program. They are doing what is best for them. If you serve me biryani, it is nice that you are offering me. But there is no rule that I have to eat it.
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May 07, 2017 12:49am
Read 'it was a gift from india' so joint development is not needed. Read again it's a 'gift'
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May 07, 2017 12:51am
@Maxx, 40 million export ? Do they export peanuts?
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May 07, 2017 01:07am
@Maxx There are Indians in many big multinational companies but owners are all Jewish. Be it FB, GOOGLE, ORACLE.........
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May 07, 2017 01:16am
@amir_indian As if India invented all the technologies used!
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May 07, 2017 01:19am
A gift should be accepted graciously from neighbors. India developed it and paid for it so what is the harm? Rejecting a gift is not appropriate behavior.
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May 07, 2017 01:57am
@Raja yes, Russia builds and India pretends to give. Why not buy from Russia direct.
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May 07, 2017 02:01am
@Maxx there are 8 indian scientist in NASA and 5 Pakistani scientists. But in bollywood scenario, NASA is Indian and they are all white. Hahaha.
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May 07, 2017 02:21am
@amir_indian
So, what is your point?
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May 07, 2017 02:36am
@Zak You are 100 percent correct !!!
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May 07, 2017 03:24am
@ram Pakistan has a space program but is mostly limited to Army and Navy. So far Pakistan has launched 5 satellites from 1990-2011 and almost all of these 5 satellites are built locally. The funding is limited in space programs but in recent years a lot of work is being done. Also, majority of work is not public or bot enough marketing is done which is why a lot people are uninformed
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May 07, 2017 03:41am
I have equal love and respect for the people of both the Nations and long to see them leading a truly peaceful and prosperous life as loving and friendly neighbors. Folks, in this mortal world, if both or one of neighbors may become the mightiest, richest and in scientific advancement the greatest but keeping their people under constant fear and unrest and the neighbors under threads and distrust then what is the use of such advancement? Those without any material advancement leading simplest life, but enriched with the treasure of human love, respect and compassion for all the people of God equally, are a great blessing for their people, their neighbors and the humanity at large. I wish all the best for both the leaderships, both the Nations and for the people of entire world.
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May 07, 2017 03:42am
@amir_indian : Nothing is free in life
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May 07, 2017 04:12am
I support FO stance.
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May 07, 2017 04:36am
@sraut . it will take at least 100 years.
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May 07, 2017 04:50am
@Maxx - Do you think $40 million in Exports is a big achievement?
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May 07, 2017 04:59am
Sir first make electricity cars dams then talk about space. The world is not stupid and SAARC don't care about pakistan anymore . Waiting for you to launch CPEC and satellite
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May 07, 2017 05:09am
Why will India share sensitive satellite technology with a country which has not produced or launched a single satellite of its own. Pakistan's Badr satellite was made by Britain and Paksat-1R in China. The FO's statement on Pakistan's space program is a blatant lie. India would not have afforded to give away prized technology under the pretext of SAARC cooperation .
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May 07, 2017 05:13am
Why have you come out now with explanation. .? What were you waiting for all this time. .?
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May 07, 2017 05:23am
@amir_indian pakistan will shoot it out of the space.
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May 07, 2017 05:45am
@Maxx -"NESCOM, Pakistan, National Engineering and Scientific Commission has a staff of 36,000 persons."
I googled for NESCOM, and it returned, New England School of Communication and of course, NASSCOM - An Indian Software company.
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May 07, 2017 06:06am
@Maxx -"ICUBE-1 has a mass of 1.12 kg and a volume of ten cubic centimetres. It is categorised as a pico-satellite" Pico-Satellite is smaller than Mini Satellite.
It is incapable of doing anything like South Asia Satellite.
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May 07, 2017 06:10am
@Maxx -"judging by the number of neighbors comments and the recommendations...on average 5-6 times more Indians visit this forum than Pakistanis.'"
Actually most of the sensible Pakistani do not find honest words in response. You be happy. Stay happy.
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May 07, 2017 06:11am
Pakistan should get more educated spokesperson.
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May 07, 2017 06:18am
Advance level.
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May 07, 2017 06:45am
Pak made right decision. If India does not want to collaborate in building and operation then we are not interested. Pakistan should not share communication satellite solely operated by India. India is not trustworthy. And don't know what the Indian are pumped up about. Your air force uses Russian made Sukohis and French planes and Russian subs.
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May 07, 2017 07:49am
I can't stop my laugh ...
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May 07, 2017 08:58am
@Maxx : Great job, Pakistan --and Maxx!
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May 07, 2017 09:22am
@Maxx Those satellites are standard ones now, even weaker countries could build it, Pakistan can't help India, as there is nothing that SUPARCO has and ISRO doesn't.
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May 07, 2017 09:25am
@YOURSTRULY : NASA "Shall"? Sounds like an executive order!
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May 07, 2017 09:25am
@Mohajir LOL, China will become bankrupt if it gifts CPEC. Now it is certain your turn.
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May 07, 2017 09:25am
@Maxx Greater number if employees simply highlights poor efficiency, nothing to highlight there
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May 07, 2017 09:32am
@Shanawaz We face no problems as such with connectivity, 4G networks are currently being improved, meanwhile I just read that some regions in Pakistan are surviving on poor 2G networks, that too with poor reception. Have a good day.
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May 07, 2017 09:33am
@Feroz :I LOVE shadow boxing as national sport!
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May 07, 2017 09:49am
Sounds like - "I won't eat ice-cream because you didn't call me while you prepare it."
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May 07, 2017 09:49am
@Maxx : If your idea of logic and expression are any indication, your education and bold pronouncements fail you--sadly.
First, please learn to conjugate verbs for the sake of your own credibility.
Thank you.
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May 07, 2017 09:50am
I must say "Good riddance". Thank you Pakistan for opting out.
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May 07, 2017 09:55am
@ifs and buts : Nah, Pakistan left India voluntarily and is a sovereign nation.
It has the right to chart its own course.
\On another front, Pakistan's trade with India stands at $US2.4 billion.
Shouldn't Pakistanis be afraid of Indians poisoning them en masse,too?
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May 07, 2017 10:00am
@Maxx are you serious??
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May 07, 2017 10:00am
India is winning every respect and we are loosing every opportunity to win credibility. Our actions are showing we are paranoid.
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May 07, 2017 10:02am
Obviously its more of a political decision which Pakistan has full right to take. The boys and china will not allow such a move. All of us would be better off with cooperation between the 2 countries. Does not seem likely any time soon.
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May 07, 2017 10:13am
@N.S Paksat-1 has nothing to do with pakistan except the fact that you leased it. It was built by Boeing/Hughes (Also known as Palapa C1, HGS-3 and Anatolia 1) in the past. The link you gave is for paksat-1R (a different one) which was built by CGWIC - All pakistani's did was provide specs of what they wanted.
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May 07, 2017 10:19am
@ram
Not a single Indian has yet Got Nobel Price in Science But Pakistan 1 person has
Nobel Price on Physics You better check
Population of 1.2 Billion & Claiming in Science Advance But NO Single Nobel Price in Science
What a Shame
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May 07, 2017 10:24am
@Mustafa R. : If your space program faces "political" barriers, then is there an advanced space program?
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May 07, 2017 10:54am
FO Pakistan says 'It is in advanced stage of development' by it he meant the PRSS-1 which is to be deployed next year in advance stage of maturity and completion, he doesn't has to be specific.
So when the FO said “Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level, he mean the maturity of the current ongoing programme...did he said Pakistan has an advanced space programme'.
Also as written earlier, Pakistan developed its first satellite in 1990. BTW when the PakSAt-1R was developed and launched with China help at a cost of 240 million USD, a big satellite with 30 transponders, it was the best in the region.
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May 07, 2017 11:15am
NASA must be evaluting where it stands if Pakistan's space program is in advanced stage.
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May 07, 2017 11:20am
@Hanifpk Yes exactly. For everything fighting with India do not bring any value to Pakistan. It seems some people do not like any improvement of relations and live with egos.
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May 07, 2017 11:20am
@sini You are right and Pakistan should give a better offer - give them money for using the Pakistani satellite.
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May 07, 2017 11:20am
A good reason to stay away,
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May 07, 2017 12:15pm
Surprised that the FO didn't use Kashmir issue as an excuse.
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May 07, 2017 12:28pm
@Maxx dude 5 satellites till date is not advanced. India launches hundreds of them every year.
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May 07, 2017 12:35pm
You don't have to explain sir! Explanation means you justify what you miss
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May 07, 2017 12:42pm
"Advanced level"?? Seriously? It makes me laugh!
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May 07, 2017 02:02pm
@roy Yes last 10 years it is advanced level but not single launch.
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May 07, 2017 02:05pm
@ZULFIQAR Mr. C.V Raman got Nobel price Chemistry. Please google.
Besides this so many others got nobel price for peace.
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May 07, 2017 02:10pm
@ZULFIQAR Check and google. Mr. C.V Raman got Nobel price in Physics.
C. V. Raman- Physics- 1979.
"For his work on the scattering of light and for the discovery of the effect named after him."
Besides him - Rabindranath Tagore-Literature
Mother Teresa-1998 for peace.
Amartya Sen-Economic studies- 2014
Kailash Satyarthi-Peace
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May 07, 2017 02:47pm
@zorkor learn from mistakes? you guys are making mistakes after mistakes, look at PIA.
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May 07, 2017 05:56pm
I need to google the definition of Gift. What kinds of strings attached ? If I want to give LED gift to Afrikan country then will I have to incorporate their advanced technology in it ?
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May 08, 2017 12:38am
@Sajjad Khan-Sherwani
one sees the world as one sees oneself
if you only see spying as reason for gift offer then that is your mindset sadly enough
don't you have confidence in Pakistani technical people (if any such individuals exist) who should be able to figure out if spying occurs
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May 08, 2017 12:39am
@Rakesh Jain
good one Rakesh
wonder when this great "advancement" happened
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May 08, 2017 12:44am
@mostly bull
your advanced programs have not shown much achievement so far
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May 08, 2017 12:46am
@Maxx
Well you had the "three long years' too
what did you all do in that time
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May 08, 2017 12:47am
@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad
what is "self centered" about offering a gift to other countries?
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May 08, 2017 12:49am
@Aftab
"we don't have a space program "
honest and truthful
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May 08, 2017 12:55am
@ZULFIQAR
calm down
check your facts on Nobel prize
use your internet
use google
and find out the truth
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May 08, 2017 12:56am
@YOURSTRULY
how will CPEC make NASA launch satellites from Pakistan??
do you understand the meaning of CPEC
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May 08, 2017 12:57am
@Qasim
We are not upset about your refusal
who cares
as for the many "advanced technical " people you have
what are they doing
what have they developed so far?
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May 08, 2017 01:01am
@jamshed
sure
Our program is because of NASA and Russia and every other country
what is your proof?? Zilch- nada- zero -nothing
and why didn't you use NASA and Russia support to progress? who stopped you?
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May 08, 2017 01:02am
@lafanga
personal attacks come up when no logical argument is possible
facts are India is far ahead of Pakistan in space and tech development
accept it and move on
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May 08, 2017 01:40am
@Raj KUMAR Grateful!
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May 08, 2017 01:44am
@no use But it is not harmful!
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May 08, 2017 05:00am
All other countries in the region are just users of the satellite what have they shard in its development...nothing. Good Decision Paksitan.
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May 08, 2017 06:54am
@Maxx I cube 1 missing..Also pakistan was first to launch rocket in south asia back in 1962
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May 08, 2017 07:17am
@Qasim who is upset? :)
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May 08, 2017 07:45am
I think pak FO has mistaken....instead of sattelite they might have thought of missile
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May 08, 2017 07:48am
@kevin : You missed S Chandrashekhar (CV Raman's nephew) and Hargobind Khurana... however all these are old achievements... No recent wins is a worry and we lack focus on quality R&D in universities. I think this is nothing to do with IQ or reflection of any superiority... It reflects strength of policies and priorities of society....
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May 08, 2017 08:56am
@Maxx Reality is that Pakistan hasn't launched a single satellite indigenously , for PAKSAT-1R, be thankful to our friend in-need China. Accept the harsh realities. Pakistan has planned to launch 11 satellites from 2011 - 2040 under the Space Program 2040 including five communication and six remote sensing satellites.
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May 08, 2017 09:40am
omg, the 3rd paragraph is so hilrious... hahaha!!
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May 08, 2017 10:03am
@ram It is not your business sir. Good luck with your program and we shall develop our own. No worries
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May 08, 2017 10:03am
We can match Indians in every field if our leadership is honest
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May 08, 2017 10:16am
Lets pause and understand it. Advanced space and nuclear power Pakistan can not build its' power station, collect garbage, can not build own locomotives for trains? Hmm.
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May 08, 2017 10:33am
@missed oppportunity , Pakistan can never have good relation until the unresolved dispute of partition I.e. The Kashmir resolution be solved. Give the freedom to Kashmir then everything will be ok.
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May 08, 2017 10:39am
@aleem "We can match Indians in every field if our leadership is honest"
We can double our edge on Pakistan if our leadership becomes honest :)
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May 08, 2017 10:50am
Yes Pakistan has an advanced space programme they have just sent a manned mission to mars.
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May 08, 2017 11:40am
What collaboration can be there with a country which has made only missiles and not rockets or satellites for the outer space?
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May 08, 2017 11:51am
" Pakistan ready to share its expertise and technological know-how"...what a joke
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May 08, 2017 11:52am
PIA is NOT space programme of Pakistan
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May 08, 2017 11:57am
@aleem I really appreciate your frank opinion. Pakistan is not able to match India, because Pakistan leadership is not honest.
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May 08, 2017 12:44pm
"unwillingness to allow other Saarc countries"
Oh my goodness, 20-30 countries? Pray, tell me which other nation?
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May 08, 2017 01:03pm
@Ahmed ali khan Please read the UN plebiscite terms first .
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May 08, 2017 01:12pm
@sraut Pakistan will never invest so much to build the satellite, they will rather see the sense in development of missiles instead.
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May 08, 2017 01:45pm
What was wrong if India wanted to give a gift ? They didn't want anything in return, did they? What did Pakistan had to loose apart from free services at India's expense? This is just false ego on Pakistan's part. Rest of the SAARC countries are happy with the gift and that is all that matters.
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May 08, 2017 01:53pm
Funny--- > “Pakistan, which has its own space programme at an advanced level" :)
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May 08, 2017 02:36pm
This is ego.I believe the satellite would have helped all people of this region.
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May 08, 2017 02:39pm
@Farhan Mustafa Only 11 satellite in a span of 29 years. Indian planned to send 1 satellite for every month from 2019.....
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May 08, 2017 02:45pm
you should have gained some thing out of it ,any way your wish ,wishing you luck for your projects.
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May 08, 2017 02:55pm
@ZULFIQAR C.V. raman, H.G .Khorana, s. Chandrashekhar, and V. radhakrishnan have got Nobel prize in science . Correct your facts
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May 08, 2017 03:01pm
Pakistan’s request to co-develop was rejected by India was obvious as there was a chance to passing of technology. Co-development is only possible when both the countries share good understanding, mutual trust and have robust people to people contact. Two rivals cannot work on high-end technology sector. It may not be a major loss for Pakistan as the bilateral trade with India is insignificant. However for smaller members it’s a great gift off course. Pakistan can join at a later stage if the situation so permits.
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May 08, 2017 04:58pm
Pakistan's opting out decision is seems to be taken under some pressure?
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May 08, 2017 05:19pm
@Desi dimag I am happy for SUPARCO. Why didn't Pakistan offer similar services to SAARC? It would have been great service to SAARC.
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May 08, 2017 05:46pm
@South Asia It is unlikely that Bangladesh will need service from this satellite system. Bangladesh has made ready it communication satellite with the assistance of Japan and will be launched soon by one of those in the launching business.
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May 08, 2017 08:41pm
@ram : After all, Pakistan does not need Indian cooperation.
Indian is not regional power at all.
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May 08, 2017 08:43pm
@amir_indian : And you with Russia?
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May 08, 2017 09:15pm
Building a satellite is not that hard. Many high school students have built low orbit, lighter satellites (like CubeSats, Nano-Sats) for NASA. It is the launching and placing them in the right orbit and maintaining them for the duration of their life time that is the hard part.
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May 09, 2017 01:06am
Why does he have to explain?. We dont want any ties with India. period.
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May 09, 2017 01:15am
@Maxx Do you mean Pak developed the Satellite and Launched them or just developed the Satellite and got them launched by foreign rockets. Those are two very different things and require very different kind of expertise
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May 09, 2017 02:22am
@Maxx - and what's the annual pay in USD for 36,000 NESCOM staff? At Rs. 10,000 average, the salaries would come at USD 41.2 million per year!
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May 09, 2017 02:30am
@Zulfeqar- Canada.
You can take a Pakistani out of Pakistan but you cannot take the Pakistaniat out of a Pakistani!
You live in Canada and still believe in Djinns.
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May 09, 2017 02:37am
@Shiva : You are wrong.
It is rocket science!
The students who build the Nano-Sats are not from High Schools. They are from engineering schools and belong right at the top of the intellectual pecking order.
Building Nano-Sats is certainly cheaper than building the gargantuan launch vehicles.
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May 09, 2017 04:55am
Pakistan has advanced space launch program by the name LeT, JeM etc. These guys are all liquered up.
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May 09, 2017 10:01am
@Maxx Do you think these credentials have any value for the country that launched 110+ satellites in a single day....
Do you really think, india needs some input from a country that launched 5 satellites in total till day...
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May 09, 2017 11:21am
“As India was not willing to develop the project on a collaborative basis, it was not possible for Pakistan to support it as a regional project under the umbrella of Saarc.”
No country shares it's advanced technology with another country, if we were expecting that India will just give away it's launching technology we were probably dreaming.
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May 09, 2017 11:24am
@Maxx
Let's not confuse between Building a satellite and launching a satellite. Building the satellite is fairly easy as several universities build their own satellites as science projects. Where is launching a satellite requires real technology of rocket launch speed, control and putting the satellite payload in the orbit.
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May 09, 2017 11:33am
It was an initiative from India and it's meant to be a gift for other SAARC countries.. Do you guys understand the meaning of 'gift'? All cost is paid by India, it didn't come from any SAARC project fund. It wasn't a collaborative development project to work together..
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May 09, 2017 11:43am
Thanks for not participating. We welcome your decision.
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May 09, 2017 01:08pm
SAARC, dead organization. Pakistan should foster with care the Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO).
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May 09, 2017 02:01pm
Weather you have your space program in progress or not is a different issue; when your neighbour is inviting for a treate who likes to back off!!! Pakistan should learn from Afganistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Maldives to respect and appreciate. Great gratitude for other SAARC Nations _/\_
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May 09, 2017 09:04pm
I wish Pakistan had made same resolve for CPEC... where they could have used Pakistani raw material, labor, planning & expertise, companies to execute. At least it would have boosted the economy. Chinese are clever...they gave the loan and taking it back by executing and also assured 17-20% returns and at the same time dump there cheap products killing Pakistan economy and get strategic advantage. That's real masterstroke....
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