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Dharna was Gen Shuja Pasha's brainchild, alleges Javed Hashmi
KARACHI: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf’s (PTI) former president Javed Hashmi on Sunday said that former ISI chief Gen Shuja Pasha was the brain behind PTI’s 126-day protest in Islamabad.
Talking on DawnNews’ show ‘Doosra Rukh,’ the disgruntled PTI leader said workers had been instructed to drag Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif out of his official residence, while Tahirul Qadri’s workers had been asked to ransack the Parliament with support from PTI.
“Gen Pasha had vowed to oust Nawaz Sharif, Khawaja Asif and Chaudhry Nisar at all costs,” said Hashmi.
He went on to say that Imran Khan had been in regular contact with Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha during the protest movement.
“It was only after I had joined the PTI that I realized the mess I had gotten into,” said the former PTI president.
Suspended by his party in September 2014 following allegations against Imran Khan, Hashmi had announced his resignation from PTI's presidency and its membership soon afterwards. At that time Hashmi had said he could no longer continue being member of a party 'conspiring' to dismantle democracy in Pakistan.
Talking about the situation in Karachi, Hashmi said MQM will have to eliminate violent elements from among its ranks for a sustainable political future.
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Hmm... if all these generals really were involved they would've succeeded in ousting the government. I call foul!
"Workers had been instructed to drag Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif out of his official residence..."
Even MQM doesn't do stuff like that! XD This is getting hilarious by day.
And it took you this long to lift the veil!
Come on, please tell the truth for the real reason for leaving.
OK. Lets grant that you realized you made a blunder by joining PTI, it took you three years to quit and that also two weeks into the dharna? And why are you naming 'retired' (no military authority) general Pasha after 8 months?
Failed attempt at being relevant.
Why is Mr.Hashmi opening his mouth now? He is out of politics and these tricks have becomes absolute to gain sympathy from the crowd. He should go into hibernation which will be good for all of us.
And of course pml N is so organised ,and independent,so clean and uncorrupt...
And you ended up out of NA, with nowhere to go in politics.
why were you part of it initially ..????????????
So why were you initially part of it...??????????
Too little too late.
Why Mr.Hashmi did not reveal this information earlier? Was he intending to use as trump card? He should have kept quite to be honorable. He himself made his character unbelievable and now he has lost total credibility. Do our politicians believe in sel respect? Our citizens are getting to the point to decipher true and lies and that day is not far when they will not listen them anymore. Bunch of our politicians are self centered and thrive only because they belong to certain cast or have ties with certain religious groups.
History would remember Hashmi as a true patriot .
Both generals had retired, so I don't see any logic in this revelation.
Bechara hashmi...trying to make himself relevant again.
Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha could not oust the PPP government in their own time. How could they be conspiring now to remove the PM when they do not have any position and current COAS is an opinionated person of his own mind?
keep blaming ik for everything but he is our hope for a mature and transparent legal system
"workers had been instructed to drag Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif out of his official residence" As if someone is that stupid!
He alleged multiple time in past but could not provide a single proof of it. Secondly general pasha was retired in 2011 how he could arrange all in 2014-15? It's just to remain in news for this man
then it was a great idea
Truth delayed is Truth denied ( is not meaningful)
Hmm... you've started to bore me now
Govt should establish immediately JIT to investigate this. PTI must ask govt to establish JIT. Now it is time get some clarity and if the investigation establish that Pasha and Kinyani did this, then put both along with Imran behind the bar. Law must be equal to all.
Wow! So General Kayani who turned a blind eye to the election rigging by Nawaz Sharif when he was Chief of Army Staff in May 2013 tried to oust Nawaz when he got retired? Seriously? When you make up a story at least make it good
Our politicians deserve the fate they get. Mr Hashmi should make his tax returns for the last 30 years public and we will get to know whether he has the moral courage to reveal all and show his integrity - how they live, what they earn and what taxes they pay will show how honest they are.
if ur allegations r true u should have disclosed these things earlier soon after u have realised the true face of pti. but after such a long stint with party and that at crucial position ' now such revelations only cast doubt on ur own integrity.
I doubt if Hashmi Sahab can ever regain his credibility. Why speak now?
Brave man who always speaks the truth!
O Mr. Hashmi! I wish you had said all that when you were with PTI enjoying being the president and the 'baghi' of our youth. I wish you hadn't lost all your credibility. Even being a stanch support of Imran Khan, I would've listened to you and would've condemned IK in harshest of words. Even today if these words were uttered by someone more credible than you, I would've sent 'la'nat' on IK and would have distanced myself from politics as I've always done before.
Ok so? And? It continues... Finally it's America behind this Dharna too? We are a homeland of so innocent people who only drives on direction of external factors! But for how long more :(((
sorry but you lost your credibility
Furthermore I'd like to say I have no proof that Shuja Pasha has done anything.
I am not a PTI member or lover. But unfortunately what your actions tell a common man is that You were a mole in PTI by PML-N. Please have mercy on yourself & Pakistan do not sow more seeds of confusion & hatered. Admit your mistakes have finished your political career, you are no more relevant in any way.
Mr Hashmi should stop spitting venom and wait for his chance to join PMLN again . He was never fully a PTI man when he was with them. This came out involuntarily from him on few occossions , one such Occassion was in the Parliament it self when he muttered that NS was his leader and would remain so for ever. Since my comments goes in PTI favour the readers would assume I could be one of many PTI troll. I am not . I am thousands of miles away observing the melodramatic politicals of so called seasoned politicians.
We are all entitled to advise. I wonder who advised you to leave PTI, whoever that was, left you in no man's land. We love Imran Khan more than ever before. I'm glad you left PTI because we don't need pessimists.
Yeah....and you want us to believe you.
Mr. Hashmi, these allegations only do disservice to you.
You were a great leader, let history remember that, instead of making these petty statements.
O baba jee bass karo
Hashmi sahib you are and you were a loyal member of nawaz sharif. When will you politician start thinking about the country and not about filling your own pockets.
I believe Javed Hasmi.
Our politician dont even know which party to join till they join and see, how ignorant unfortunately??
Javed Hashmi has come out of deep sleep after six months with new stories against IK and PTI .
Nothing new we know the story behind NAYA Pakistan , the official support PTI is receiving in Karachi speaks of the plan
When will khaki's stop interfering in our politics. If IK had removed gov with the help of Shuja, after next elections nawaz would have been on the streets conspiring with a new Zia
He's right. PTI has become a mess with no clear agenda (back into assemblies after calling it a den of thieves), accepting everyone into its folds who has a personal vote bank irrespective of one's corrupt past, and nothing material done in KPK when compared with its big promises.
Mr Hashmi you are absolutely correct, every one remember the umpire's finger.PML-N had played a very positive role averting disaster.
Look who is talking! Why didn't U reveled it when you were part of the Dharna! C'mon we know you will feel pretty bad after watching all the lawmakers in parliament except U.
Even if that was the case, he was President of the party and should keep his word. PTI's dharna was against Nawaz Shareef Govt... So what's the problem? Its just inflammatory words by this guy to get brownie points for a finished career. Shameful!
He talks nothing but rubbish.
Interesting view by Javed Hashmi, who many of us have a high regard for. Yet shouldn't he express these sentiments about the present leadership as well?
"MQM will have to eliminate violent elements from among its ranks for a sustainable political future."
It is due to such interference in political and government matters, the nation has been dragged into chaos and socioeconomic failure. Agencies headed by such people with alternative motives had redirected priorities elsewhere causing repeated intelligence failures, incompetency and addressing of internal and external threats.
Why do our leaders behave in a similar pattern. .. do they get their political training from the same university... you rejoined PTI and then to be thrown out. ... what made you rejoin the same mess?
Here is you real enemy, Gen Pasha. If you really love your country and the democracy come out against these state actors and expose then so they will never hijack the government again.
Your actions and your claims are contradictory. If PTI was such a mess, then why did you not leave earlier ?
Mr Hashmi, you are now obsolete.
And on whose instructions Gen Pasha was following?
This is sad, if there is any credibility to this statement, to create a chaos for democratically elected PM and the Government. Pakistan as a Nation should be aware of such wrong doing.
On what logic one would be believe Hashmi ? Unfortunately, he has lost all his reputation :(
fake cry of a politician who cannot remain faithful with any party.
Sir the kind of investigative skills you have I am sure you will soon come out with the information how Nawaz sharif made fortune in such a short time.
it does not matter anymore you loose your respect big time and IK is gaining every day.
General Pasha had long since retired at the time of the Dharnas. As a private citizen he is entitled to participate in all political activities. Makhdoom sahib was a Nawaz Sharif mole planted in PTI, his words can't be trusted.
@Mirza Asad Baig .well its necessary to be revealed, for the sake of history/record.welldone Hashimi sahb.
@salman .He is a great patriot, true democrat and great political worker.
@Usman Masood they could not oust ppp Govt. Because N'S did not play as tool against democracy in their hands. While Khan jumped in to their lap to grab the opportunity to become PM by short cut.
Thank you for exposing PTIs politics Hashmi Sahab
Thee truth has come out , Finally. Our establishment does not want Democracy too florish in Pakistan.
@Junaid .He could be a great hope for a better pakistan if he shows political maturity by learning from his mistakes.
@rizwan .alas to ur great disappointment it did not worked.
Sore looser
A mans credibility is worth a lot. It after all it makes one "credible". Unfortunately this man lost all credibility a long time ago and borders insanity. "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools speak because they have to say something." PLATO
You have no credibility to claim anything.
Gone are the days when people could be fooled easily. This statement does not have its base.
I fell sorry for this guy.
@Blithe really!!
A 'has-been' becoming a 'never-was'
This man has no credibility left, he should refrain from any political activity
Javed Hashmi has completely lost it!
@Muhammad that was the plan, until Peshawar happened and scuttled the fauji plans. Sad no?
And you were a part of this dharna inspite of being aware of it's 'conspiracy' nature.You are dragging your self man.
'Letting the cat out of the bag.' by Hashmi...the same bag and cat .. Imran Khan is using to conquer Karachi with the help of Tv channels
Will IK or PTI spokesperson refute the charges?
mr Hashmi you are old enough to talk like a child
This man needs to see a psychiatrist sooner than later as he is increasingly becoming deluded. He has done nothing in his life for the country apart from so called promoting democracy (getting her daughter in politics) and should go away and leave us alone
Why Dont you please take your shop somewhere else Mr. Javed Hashmi, you are a failed politician as usual.
Javed Hashmi is more honest than other living politicians.
Great timing though! You would have said same stuff after you left dharna but you didn't.
Hashmis actions and lateness of these revelations mean that they no longer have credibility. Some will say neither do Iks allegations regarding electoral rigging but being an eyewitness to those in Karachi i have to agree with the claims made by PTi regarding election 2013.
Hashmi is one of the most patriotic politician in Pakistan. At least he is taking care of his own family not leaving it to be raised on other people's money. Has anybody ever heard that a couple has five kids and they have given away their custody to the rich ex-spouses and want to lead our kids? Go get a real job for an honest living and raise your family on your money for a change.
The truth has come out.Without support of khaki Imran could not have done anything.
Grapes are sour!!!
An open secret.
if this is real then mqm would be in governement next time if she keep getting NROs from all government.
Wrong Number
A failed politician trying desperately to return to the field at any cost.
This revelation further fortifies the notion that Ik is in Karachi on another mission given by the agencies . IK endeavors are here to malign MQM as much as possible through his media trial of MQM and creating another failed and fallop drama. IK and his candidate Imran Ismael are here to carry on the work of agencies from the political front and not to contest election as they know they will never will this election.
Please fine a hole for this guy to live in. Typical Pakistani politician making comments to stay relevant.
he is mad without NA seat
Fade with grace, once and for all.
I am sorry for this Old Guy
How can it possible? It is important to note the timing of interview from the interviewer.
@Haider Rehman ......looking at the dharna crowd,they were all stupid and ready to bring disorder.
The protest movement started in August 2014. Gen Kayani retired in November 2013 and Gen Pasha in March 2012. Why was Imran Khan in contact with them during the protest movement then? Doesn't make sense unless both the retired Generals were powerful enough to influence the establishment even after their retirement. Highly doubt it.
IK was surely dancing on someone's tunes. Where is the father of people of Pakistan (TAQ) these days? Isnt Pakistan suffering from same issues these days which TAQ had addressed? Revolutions are brought by real common people. I dont know how come Tareens, Shah Mahmoods, etc are not from status quo.
The establishment wanted a weak/dummy PM. IK did it for them and right now they dont need IK. It was Pasha's personal grudge with PM and his some men. IK is a gooner now.
What is the gain in disclosing this information now?? what is the gain from speaking ill about the agencies Months after the Protest has been finished???
Imagine if agencies come after him and open his cases what will be his plan of action? No party will take a loud speaker like him then..
He was the most humiliated man in those dharna days.. Now he should keep quiet and enjoy retired life instead of baseless allegations...
siasat bohot gandi cheez hai!
Mr. Hashmi this is a bad practice of going public with party strategy & planing. Although you have on your own accord left the party but guarding its secret was essential. This way you have put a question on yourself, why should someone ever trust you again. It is good that you were never provided an opportunity to hold high office otherwise the estate secret would have been compromised.
After six month or so, leaving PTI he came to know that dharna was General Shjua Pasha's brain child. Very pity Mr. Hashmi you remained part of that brain child of even a retired General for considerable time
Expect a new party in next election i.e. PML (Hashmi)
@Ahsan Gul ; Perhap may be accommodated now for this revealition
Javed hashmi has no credibility. Had all these generals been involved in all this, for sure in a country like Pakistan, nawaz shareef had fallen. Safeed Jhoot by Hashmi.
Hashmi you are joke now
He should not discontinue his medication.
@S rehman
You have a point, but as said earlier by many, the problem existing in Pakistan is not with one individual whether it be Nawaz sharif or Zardari, it is the system which is our biggest enemy. You take nawaz sharif or zardari out, still things will not change if the system is no overhauled, this is what Imran says and so does Musharraf.
Meera ji na banain. Acha? Footage ke liye kuch bhi boltay hain?
you are old now stay at home please don't play your dirty politics here
China treatment seams to be working very well
The man seems like a great story teller. He never spoke against the ruling elite, rigging and corruption. There are numerous allegations against him. He should clear his name and retire from politics.
Too late to believe your story.
A country run by two parties, one with canon who brought this country into absolute mess economically, morally and religiously since its creation other corrupt party who prospered under party one. If it is true this is a punishable crime and no one is above law. This beautiful country deserves honest God feared selfless rulers a country which must pride itself as an honest and independent from external forces. Pakistan deserves to stand on its principles for which it was created.
Watching the events unfold Mr Hashmi makes sense. No reason to disagree with him.
Is this the best that you can think off?
Thank you for speaking on the same day imran khan entered parliament. your political moves are no rocket science you know...
How retired generals could have helped imran. Seems allegations not true. If workers were told to do something then why that have not happened.
his brain i still of a child.. thts evident
Mr. Hashmi, you have lost all credentials. You "were" part of Dharna, you went of for a day and again returned on Dharna truck. What kind of philosophy is yours? People had respect for you but unfortunately the respect has been lost. You switched from PML-N to PTI and all the nation showered praises for you and elected you on PTI ticket, then you switched mood and parted ways with PTI and tried running independently, people of your constituency "rejected" you. Your so called allegations would have some weight had the people voted for you (independently) in place of PTI. But now all the allegations seems to be coming out from a person who has lost his ground.
@Ahsan Gul ISI is going to deal with him. Lol!
@Mord786 he mentioned this way before.
@S rehman nobody is talking about pmln but the fact that the holier than thou pti is in fact, not as holy as it "tries" to portray itself. I get that the headline irks you but try to stay on topic instead of deflecting.
@Khurram just check out today's dawn, there is an ad for attracting private investment inhydro dams. KPK Govt. doesn't have sufficient resources to build on its own. but it is focusing private investors for tourism ( like part in Nathiagali and Khesgi-Nowshera) and hydropower projects.
@Muhammad Even the generals cannot succeed without public support.
Really Mr. Hashmi, vow even then you did not loose the opportunity of posing as a hero and soaking yourself in rain and delivering a speech more than once. If such powerful people were behind it then something would have come out of it. Please take care of your health and leave the matters of the country to other people more capable than you.
Whole concept is hilarious and over dramatized, do not know if one should laugh or feel frustrated.
Javed Hashmi was in PTI for several years. And he was part of the agitation?
So why cry now?
There should be judicial commission to probe all these allegations. If the allegations are correct then PTI shuold be banned else Hashmi should be put in jail.
@Muhammad, you call it foul, I will call it his love for democracy and commitment to country otherwise there are few individuals who would dare being president of the party that is to rule if the current political set-up collapses. I understand of you as a blind Imran follower:)))
@S rehman you're dreaming
You were part of that Dharna for long time, what happened, you didn't get your own way with Imran Khan. Stop blaming everyone else for your poor performance.
Shuja Pasha collected his money and is long gone beyond the reach of Pakistan. So why now? You should have announced this when you were standing on top of the container.
govt. should constitute JIT against PTI for attacking PTV
@Bhatti always speaks the truth late.
IK very rightly showed the way out to such veteran politician who was becoming darling of the nation. Alas, he is getting on the lowest ebb where there's no light or weight in his allegations....
No harm in forming another Judicial Commission or at least a JIT to probe the real culprits behind the Dharna Conspiracy and their designs. How long individuals on their personal liking or disliking will keep toying with this country. The country almost plunged into anarchy and hardly returned from the brink of civil war not very different from the current situation in Yemen. We must identify and punish those responsible for creating mayhem in the country when unity and stability was the need of the hour.
This a serous charge. A enquiry commission please.
Javed Hashemi realised on reaching Karachi that he had got into a mess by joining PTI but continued in the same party for another 3 years - apparently what a strange argument in trying to re-enact his political career. Then he continued weeks into the dharna but still he claims his innocence. What type of politics is he trying to do?
@Kamal Pasha. Well said.
“It was only after I had joined the PTI that I realized the mess I had gotten into,”
and he still stayed with the Party for so many months and even went on to join the Dharna knowing he had joined a mess. You can not be believed Mr. Hashmi.
The overwhelming majority of the posts have considered Hashmi a liar so it has no credibility whatever you say Mr. Hashmi. Your time is over, you can make whatever money you want to make but you have been labeled as an insane person and nothing else.
@Truth, And out of 140 comments , 95% are against his statement. He will still not keep quite and keep on blaming others for his failure.
@Khan-Haqiqi
Nothing new we know the story behind NAYA Pakistan , the official support PTI is receiving in Karachi speaks of the plan
I could not agree more!
@Kamal Pasha. Disagree with you
Nothing new we know the story behind NAYA Pakistan , the official support PTI is receiving in Karachi speaks of the plan
One judicial commission should be formed to probe the allegations leveled by Mirza against MQM and Hashmi against PTI in consideration of a fact that the former one is a death row prisoner n latter is a seriously paralyzed politician.
You are great Hashmi. You saved Pakistan and democracy. Same PTI is back to parliment whom it called unconstitutional. What a joke with nation! and amazingly PTI workers still defending Imran Khan.
@Ahsan Gul He revealed everything and cried over again and again but you PTI walas weren't ready to listen him....even today.
Blaming a former DG ISI? Really? Best he could come up with?
any cleaver person can easily see the Umpire finger in PTI Imran Khan. Now the same finger is pushing IK to challenge MQM. In any case, PML N will win from the current situation. if MQM will win in by ellection, MQM will loose and vise versa. So win win situation for PML N. Nawaz sharif Zinda bad. We love you Nawaz.
Did Hashmi object to these instructions or went along for "party sake"? Why did he not quit the party right then and there?
Javef Hashmi would say that, wouldn't he?
Why didn't he say that when he himself was part of the same so-called Dharna? What a serious joke?
PTI stands exposed vindicating the allegations that military was behind the Imran led agitation.
Javed Hashmi very true sir. Ex-service men should not be allowed to participate in politics for at least 10 years.
Hashmi should have kept the inside information as confidential as he got it i in trust, if ot us true. He has fallen from a position of admirable leader to a lowly revengeful. This is what he has earned as a fruit of all life politics.
Some one once said that Imran Khan is a great pressure cooker but he is no chef, so he was used as a pressure cooker but was not given the job of the Chef in the kitchen.
Saulat Mirza of Pti:D
@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Hashmi saying this 6 months later is no credibility because it is so late. But Saulat Mirza saying somethng 18 years later in lieu of having dea th sentence commuted has all the credibility. Wah!
@Honey Badger Very surprised to read you guys who are so sure to deny Hashmi but very eager and desperate to accept the accusations of a death row convict Saulat Mirza. Your hypocracy is at its highest.
Some folks don't know when to quit, Mr. Hashmi is a good man but cannot get over that his days in politics are over keeps coming up with bazar stories to get some significane in the mix. More talks less credible we find him. Recommend please retire and let others to continue in the progress of the country.
@Muhammad They were retired by that time, remember?
Not exactly something that nobody suspected.
I believe Hashmi due to his past. His history shows he is a man of principals. Brave man.
Javed Hashmi is telling the truth as he has nothing to gain or loose from these disclosures. Another act in the comedy of errors of the PTI antipolitiks. Look how FarhanKVirk is making fake comments with various names against the great Javed Hashmi. Unfortunately in the PTI support base their is more respect for Imran Hashmi than Javed Hashmi sahib.
The retired spymaster has a few other medals up his chest. Failure to detect OBL hiding in Abott Abad (provided they didn't really know). Failure to predict and pre empt high profile attacks on PAF assets resulting multi billion rupee loss to the public exchequer. Failure to protect the people of Pakistan , who were subjected to worse kind of terrorism and many died while many others were crippled. Failure to take action against religious fanatics holed up in and protected by Punjab. Failure to timely retaliate the killing of Pakistani soldiers by US forces. The list of his accomplishments is long and goes on.
A day late and a dollar short.
JIT to be formed excluding ISI for fact finding, telephone calls etc! Is he telling stories or has he any proof?
Retired Generals cannot create this kind of inertia.PTI had been asking for reform for a very long time.Dharna was the result of PML(N) paying no attention to just demand. Anyone with half a brain will understand how this unfolded.
Mr.Hashimi is telling the truth.When sharif's govt. filed cases against Pervaze musharraf,these ex. Gens.tried to teach Nawaz a lesson and used IK.when Nawaz came to his senses they left IK as a step mother leaves a blind child in the wood.
it was quite evident by the acts and speeches of PTI Leaders that they want to derail democracy. who was umpire? shame full act by PTI. in-service generals take decision by their own, not on the advice of retired ones. i am sure if Pasha and his aides would have been in power at this crises, PML N Government had gone
I see a lot of conspiracy theorists on this thread.To me Mr Hashmi has no credibility.It does not matter what he says.It has no impact.