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WASHINGTON: Pakistan Air Force needs to retire 190 planes from its current fleet by 2020, senior officials told Dawn while commenting on a report that the country was seeking another batch of 10 F-16s from the United States.

Jane’s Defence Weekly reported this week that Pakistan would seek to purchase these additional planes from the United States if the current deal for eight of these fighter jets is successfully concluded.

Last week, the US Senate rejected a move to shoot down the proposed sale, which is now in its final stages. On Saturday, the 30-day mandatory period, that allows Congress to block an arms sale to a foreign country, also passed. Although some technical details are still being worked out, the deal for these eight aircraft is almost final.

Jane’s Defence Weekly reported that Pakistan is now interested in 10 additional 16C/D Block 52 multi-role fighters, which are equipped with precision strike capability. Pakistan says it needs this capability to reduce collateral damage in the war against terrorists who often hide among civilians.

A “decision in principle has been made to buy 10 more F-16s”, a senior Pakistani government official told Jane’s, while adding that “the exact timing to place an order is yet to be decided”.

“No, not yet,” said a senior defence official when asked if Pakistan indeed had decided to buy another batch of 10 F-16s from the United States. “But we do need to retire 190 planes by 2020. And we already looking for various options,” he added.

The official said that the strong resistance it faced in the US Congress for buying a small batch of eight planes was ‘discouraging.’ “That’s why we are looking at other options too, such as buying them from Russia or France.”

The official noted that while French planes were “very expensive, the Russians are not and they are equally good”.

In September last year, Russia offered to sell Su-35 planes to Pakistan, which are among the fifth generation aircraft.

Pakistani officials say that India’s defence purchases also influence their search for a matching technology. India is already working on a plan to replace its current fleet of planes with fifth generation aircraft by 2020, forcing Pakistan to do the same.

They say that while Pakistan is not looking to match the exact number of planes the Indians have but they would like to maintain a fleet of 350 to 400 aircraft.

Pakistani officials point out that they also have a large-scale defence collaboration with China, “which is a great source of strength” for the country.

The eight planes that Pakistan is buying from the United States include two single-seat F-16Cs and six twin-seat F-16Ds, along with associated equipment - for about $699 million.

The US Defence Security Cooperation Agency says that the proposed sale would “improve Pakistan’s capability to meet current and future security threats”.

These additional F-16 aircraft will facilitate operations in “all-weather, non-daylight environments, provide a self-defence/area-suppression capability, and enhance Pakistan’s ability to conduct counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism operations,” the agency said, adding, “This sale will increase the number of aircraft available to the Pakistan Air Force to sustain operations, meet monthly training requirements, and support transition training for pilots new to the Block 52.”

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Hashim
Mar 15, 2016 06:23am

I guess they would be retiring all the F-7 variants and the long serving Mirage aircrafts, which have already served past their lifetime. Some of these will be replaced with the latest versions of the JF-17, most probably to make up the numbers. But Pakistan should be looking for advanced fighter aircrafts, with the French Rafale being the most potent of all in the current market, but too expensive. It would also be more fitting if Pakistan tried to acquire F-18 Hornets from the US instead of the F-16. In the end, I guess we would be going to China and most probably Russia, if all goes well in current negotiations, for the J-10 and SU-35.

MF
Mar 15, 2016 06:27am

Hmm so those 8 planes were bait. Let's see if pakistan take it.

stranger
Mar 15, 2016 06:36am

Please go for best available technology and please diversify to French and Russian aircrafts.

FAISAL BAJWA
Mar 15, 2016 07:28am

2025 would be realistic.

zeze
Mar 15, 2016 07:43am

How about we put the money to good use. Educate our country's children. I'm sure will benefit more!

Concerned
Mar 15, 2016 07:45am

How does JF-17 fit in future PAF picture? Pakistan should invest in local manufacturing or joint production.

syed abbas
Mar 15, 2016 07:49am

when would this lust for shiny new planes stop..............we are a strong country as is dont need to waiste resources on them planes

Pakistani
Mar 15, 2016 07:59am

How can we keep pace with India.Our best bet is to have modern missles and nukes

SK
Mar 15, 2016 08:03am

Best invest in JF17 and buy from China only

surinder
Mar 15, 2016 08:10am

jf 17 best plane pakistan has it is better then f 16

Omer
Mar 15, 2016 08:11am

Russian aircrafts may be cheaper but they are not as reliable as French. Pakistan air force have good experience with mirage and it counts while taking a decision.

Noon
Mar 15, 2016 08:19am

Get Russian and French planes..it will take some time for JF17 to catch up with 5th generation air craft...if it was so successful why isnt china using the same plane for main combat role.

Speak out
Mar 15, 2016 08:21am

Since decades PAF had been using US Aircrafts. PAF started from F86(Sabre)Fighter,F104-Bombar,both US ,Mirage-French,but Mirage had lot of technical complaints,F-16s US most sucessful in Pakistan.It will be better if PAF continued procuring all it's Aircraft needs from US,as before.

maleeha
Mar 15, 2016 08:25am

I don't belive in those jets or aircraft.AS their Striking capability ---GPS system is controlled by US

GS
Mar 15, 2016 08:29am

@Pakistani How about keeping pace with India in development,education,space technology,IT,Pharma,Automobile etc for a change ?

manav
Mar 15, 2016 08:32am

@Noon Main combat aircraft of china is SU-30 MKI and they use JF-10 as assistive to Sukoi 30 MKI.China does not use jf-17 as already shunned it decade ago.

Ali Asghar
Mar 15, 2016 08:35am

With nuclear capability we don't need to match Indian conventional equipment. Spend this money on education and developmental so we can produce our own 5th generation aircrafts

Random Passerby
Mar 15, 2016 08:44am

This news is about fifth generation aircraft which JF-17 are not. Pakistan will continue to maintain and grow its JF-17 fleet.

Raja Ragu Raman
Mar 15, 2016 09:03am

Wow...After 15-20 years these jets will go to junk without being used as no country can afford a war...Beautiful way to throw away billions of people's tax to dustbin

Zak
Mar 15, 2016 09:14am

@Raja Ragu Raman Maintaining credible defence is the only way to avoid wars .

ah
Mar 15, 2016 09:14am

@stranger is not training for pilots, maintenance, parts etc are issues other than money?

Tariq
Mar 15, 2016 09:17am

Definitely buying modern planes from US does not come easy and US will in return tries to dictate its aspirations specially in Nuclear issues. Hope Pakistan should be fortunate to find fifth generation planes in time as maintaining a decent air power is a must for respectably defense.

point of view
Mar 15, 2016 09:26am

@maleeha, /GPS system is controlled by the US.../ You correctly said. The US can not be trust. Therefore, India is on the way to develop our own communication system (a kind of GPS) for Indian territory including the India Ocean. Six communication satellites has already put in the orbit.

Saeed
Mar 15, 2016 09:40am

"In September last year, Russia offered to sell Su-35 planes to Pakistan, which are among the fifth generation aircraft."

No they are NOT. The SU-35 Jets are Gen 4.5 at best and probably a much better choice than F-16 Block 52 purely for the fact that they would be sanction free.

Saeed
Mar 15, 2016 09:43am

@Noon : The simplest reason is that China requires larger Jets that have a much longer loitering or CAP time. The JF-17 was not built for this purpose and cannot accomplish that due to its single engine and much smaller size.

PAF does not have a large area to cover as China or India and so the JF-17 works the plan perfectly.

Saeed
Mar 15, 2016 09:44am

@manav : Manav, time to get a lesson, China's main combat aircraft is not the SU-30 MKI, infact they don't have a single MKI......MKI is relative only to India. The version that China has is the SU-30 MKK.

mashman
Mar 15, 2016 09:52am

We need 150 new universities, 150 new hospitals and the list goes on. Wake up Pakistan and don't waste the precious resources generated by the sweet and blood of our citizens. Yesterday I was reading that daily wage workers are going hungry because of rain in Pindi and Islamabad. We need to first address these issues before spending it on the weapons of destruction and war.

dipak
Mar 15, 2016 10:07am

@Zak no war mania from india. india wants only development development and development.

MD SOHAN(BD)
Mar 15, 2016 10:24am

How much money will cost for it? I think Pakistan need to use those money for education.After 20/30 year that will be best investment for your country.

SDA
Mar 15, 2016 10:30am

@syed abbas But we need to secure our borders and strengthen our forces.

Rustom E Hind
Mar 15, 2016 10:34am

i don't understand why Pakistan needs to buy fighter planes unlike india

bec as per Pakistanis jf17 thunder is superior to any aircraft india has and as best as any in the world ect

so common sense tell be manufacture ur own instead of buying from others, will create jobs help economy

bharat932
Mar 15, 2016 10:34am

Pakistan people really have good knowledge of defence systems.

M Khan
Mar 15, 2016 10:40am

Pakistan badly needs good schools for it children more than war toys. It is about time we focus on the welfare of our people than India. 70 years of this madnes has given us nothing.

Zak
Mar 15, 2016 10:42am

How about 80 su 35, 80 French rafaele, 100 F 16s, 150 J 17s - we own the south Asian skies,vwith no challenger.

Abdul
Mar 15, 2016 11:14am

How about peace with us and divert your money for domestic welfare. India never went to any wars until it was dragged into it.

DANYAL
Mar 15, 2016 11:15am

The F16 C/ D multi role combat aircrafts that Pak is getting from the US for precision striking needs GPS access which the US might give in case of fighting the militants, but they won't give access in case of a war against any other country. Whereas India has developed a version of GPS, ( IRNSS- Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System ). We have already sent 6 Sats , one more will be sent next month. This will immensely help our armed forces and especially the IAF. ISRO has already sent few SATs into the orbit for the Indian Navy also. The three wings of the Indian defense will be integrated with space tech very soon. And they will become more powerful. These 8 F16s should not be a threat for us.

Shiraz
Mar 15, 2016 11:28am

The 190 are due to be replaced by the PAC built JF-17. Its improving and the array of diversified armament it carries is making it at par with the modern 4th generation (in Chinese terms 3rd generation!) fighter aircrafts.

The mix of only two types, around 120 F-16s and 250-300 JF-17s are an ideal mix for any airforce to operate effectively, while avoiding the logistics nightmare of maintaining 10 different types.

Some of the the ROSE modified Mirages are not going anywhere soon. Used as interdiction platforms, and some of them have very low airframe and engine run time, like the ones bought from Libya or Lebanon, they will continue is specialist night strike role for more years to come.

In my view, FC-31, if inducted ever, will be used in interdiction roles.

Hyder
Mar 15, 2016 11:33am

Sir

It has been claimed in various papers that JF 17 thunder has developed various technical flaws and it has not been denied by the PAF. If these claims turned out to be true then it would be horrible for the Pakistan airforce as it was regarded as work horse for the PAF and it seems that PAF is not interested in another Chinese aircraft J10???

The Indians have flown the Russian aircraft very well and the French will not sell their fighters to upset India so the PAF has some tough days ahead seeking a 5 generation fighter.

Thanks

Zeeshan
Mar 15, 2016 11:36am

The US jets are best in quality and versatility. My next choice will be the French.

Blue
Mar 15, 2016 11:38am

Going by the price paid for these latest F-16s, price of 190 planes will be $16.625 Billion. To put things in perspective Pakistan's earning receipt is $ 35Bn and Budget is $ 51 Bn, already in deficit like most developing countries. Also Pakistan's defense budget is $5 bn.

and these F16s are 4th gen barely and are cheaper than Rafale and matches Su35MK which many have termed cheaper. (see list price at which Indian govt bought these latest)

Planning even such a huge expenditure looks unfeasible and are not required when money can be put to better use.

Raj
Mar 15, 2016 11:39am

@maleeha Thats why India is developing its own GPS system after China, India has already established its own 6 satellites in a series of launches in space and needs 2 more satellites to be launched by this year end. India will have its own GPS system operational by 2017.

Sonny Afridi
Mar 15, 2016 11:44am

A fleet of 400-475 combat aircraft suits PAF and always has. F-16, JF-17 Thunder and perhaps Su-35, slowly retiring older F-7s and all Mirage-III/V bombers will be need of the hour. JF-17 Thunder program should be given priority number one. Real strength comes from self sufficiency. Already PAF pilots have made the country proud and kept Pakistan safe many times during times of war. Good luck PAF!

Sonny Afridi
Mar 15, 2016 11:45am

@Hashim Some variants of the F-7PGs were inducted in early 2000s. They'll continue to be in service for some time.

Mudassar
Mar 15, 2016 11:59am

Retiring the old planes should be no problem as we have our own JF-17 which are world class and can beat all the Hornets, Rafales and Sukhois hands down

ROHIT PANDEY
Mar 15, 2016 11:59am

Once trade and investment links with India develop and "security" is seen to come from healthy economic growth, Pakistan can divert the money for fighter planes to something else?

It just needs a shift in thinking to usher in fundamental change?:)

Aziz Rangwala
Mar 15, 2016 12:05pm

Sukhoi 35 are not among fifth generation fighter, PAK FA T-50 is the Russian fifth generation fighter following by F35 eagle and F22 Raptor from USA.

DawnDon
Mar 15, 2016 12:07pm

Dear all with comments preferring schools over defense!

U know that ur country is fighting a complex war, u know that its all about ur survival.. no doubt that education is important. If countries with highest Literacy rates are investing on their defense then (as per ur logic) they are still dumb enuff.. We need to invest on both sides...

Our Air Force has been preferring quality over quantity.. and... this should continue.. It was back in 60s n 70s that u purchased best available things in market and using the same till now... lets buy some good stuff now which may last for another 30-40 years.. also remember, we have to care for technological changes which reshaped fighters in last 2 decades.

Khwarezmi
Mar 15, 2016 12:19pm

Pakistan is after even MORE F-16s??!!!

W-H-Y are Pakistanis not learning from past mistakes?? We can not afford more public "Pakistan qustioning" in the US Senate.

What is wring with decision makers??!!! Do they even have any shane left??!!!

Saqib
Mar 15, 2016 12:46pm

so the JF17 seems to be a major blunder or a point of corruption. Why did it ever get developed if no one is using it. Western countries jointly spend decades designing and producing next gen fighter jets that they keep in service for decades. We developed something with china that doesn't get used and is shelved within a single decade. what a waste of valuable resources that we don't have. At least they have a platform that they can use to modernise the current design. for sake of acquiring mere 8 more models that money could be spent of precious R&D.

Abid Hafeez
Mar 15, 2016 12:47pm

Pakistan must maintain its forces according to Indian strength. Pakistan might not be interested to buy these planes but to keep a balance it has to buy.

Manav
Mar 15, 2016 12:49pm

@Aziz Rangwala Russia and India are in the initial stage of designing a 5th gen Stealth Fighter.It is a joint research and production venture of Russia and India.russia aso wants assurance from india to buy 250-350 aircrafts when the product is ready.Russia has asked India to invest arround $10 billion for research itself which India is not ready and the project is still in negotiation. USA's 5th gen fighter named Raptor is also having problem with radar issue and radars as it can be easily detected by a improvised radar.China claims it detected raptors through its high resolution rador.so all in all 5th gen fighetr still is a dream which in the making. currently Dassault Rafael,F-18/22 ,SU-30 are top fighters which are 4th gen or 4.5+ gen.

Muhammad Arshad
Mar 15, 2016 01:17pm

Apart from buying more F16s, I think addition of 3 to 4 squadrons of Su35 is a good high end option which has performance parameters even better then F16 Blk 52+ and PAF can further co-operate with Russia and China and use the engines from Su35 on J31 which will give true 5th generation capability such as super cruise on J31 which is currently not available due to use of RD93 engines......

Blue-Indian
Mar 15, 2016 01:21pm

@Manav .. I beg to differ with you on Raptor! Raptor is by far the best 5th gen fighter available till date and it's fully stealth meaning can't be and isn't detected by any radar anywhere. But the catch here is that Raptor is banned by US govt for exports as the technology used is very high end and can't be shared with even the allied nations like NATO countries. Secondly, Raptor is very expensive, just buying price is upto $300mn compared with Rafale which is in $100mn-125mn bracket. Hence US has developed F-35 which is relatively cheaper and is available for exports too!

Azeez
Mar 15, 2016 01:28pm

Why pakistan looking for 5th generation fighter planes,you have your own indigenous developed state of the art 9th generation JF-17.

Timeto stopthis
Mar 15, 2016 01:28pm

@GS You are so absolutely right. Instead of keeping pace with India in areas like education, space research and healthcare Pakistan chooses to increases its military might to match India's. Talk about wrong priorities.

Bokhari
Mar 15, 2016 01:37pm

@Noon .....JF 17 has been specifically designed to meet the requirements of Pakistan air force as demanded and has nothing to do with Chinese air force. It is a match to F 16 with a powerful Russian engine and above all made in Pakistan.

Abdul
Mar 15, 2016 01:45pm

Buying brings good huge kickbacks to generals and politicians. War is no more a option for civilised countries.

Nangyal
Mar 15, 2016 02:00pm

8 Planes for $699Million, that's Billions of Rupees! just for 8 planes! This money can buy lots of food for our poor, it can cure so much disease, perhaps educate all kids in the country paying all their fees up to University. I believe India does the same, feeling sad for people of the subcontinent.

manav
Mar 15, 2016 02:00pm

@Blue-Indian the main point which needs to be satisfied for a 5th gen fighter is its capability of escaping the radar should be close to 90%.raptor has fulfilled all the requirements except this point.morever some defence manufacturers including from usa have claimed that design of raptor itself is faulty whic does not support stealth capabilities and is bulky and not suitable for dogfight.morever china has claimed that it detected raptors coming close to its borders(maritime EEZ in SCS) through its high resolution radars.so its radar escapability which they are boasting is also in question.time will tell which country(usa or russia) will come with a 5th gen fighter aircraft with all its stealth features fulfilled.

luuke furtado
Mar 15, 2016 02:01pm

As an Indian , US jets are extremely expensive and too many middle men involved.....What would cost 10 rupees will cost 20 by the time physical deliveries are done.....but when you diversify your options ,you have the power to negotiate and bargain ...Look towards the Typhoons , Sukhois ,Rafale etc.....In defense the world is a much much much bigger place than just the US.....Use it.......

Truetalker
Mar 15, 2016 02:03pm

As Pakistan understood that it is sure that Pakistan is/will no match to India in conventional war, they developed their Nuclear Arms to stop India from any possible attack.Then , why Pakistan is wasting his limited resources to buy war planes ,etc.Pakistan is already spending about 20% of its budgetary allocation to defense sector , which is ridicules.Pls try to understand , no nation can withstand without development in Industry,Education, Health, Energy , IT, etc , etc.Now choice is yours.Good Luck.

Usman
Mar 15, 2016 02:04pm

UAE will retire its Mirage fleet we can acquire these planes. Also Swedish Gripen NG is a good option. Sukhoi have technical issues and they may get blocked by Indian pressure.

Khan
Mar 15, 2016 02:04pm

How many universities and hospitals we need by 2020 they will not tell you.

amir khan
Mar 15, 2016 02:05pm

when my common sense fails to fathom ..... why don't India and Pakistan informally agree to stop this conventional arms race ! they both have nukes that is enough of a deterrent ! please both sides stop the build up of arms and focus on poverty . how many times do you plan to annihilate each times over ?!!!

SK
Mar 15, 2016 02:22pm

With a stagnating economy, this arms race will only bankrupt Pakistan

Raja Parekh
Mar 15, 2016 02:24pm

@amir khan ,

I agree with you on this point but you all are aware that India also has to face China. But both our countries can enter into No-war pact keeping aside the differences. Also, sincerity to sticking to this policy is important otherwise no agreement is good enough.

AliPasha(USA)
Mar 15, 2016 02:31pm

@GS The only thing which has helped India considerably is IT,which Pakistan missed in the 90s and 2000.

Gaurav
Mar 15, 2016 02:40pm

Russian fifth generation is getting jointly developed with India. :-)

Amir Khan
Mar 15, 2016 02:46pm

Pakistan should look to equip itself to the extent required to ensure it's sovereignty and territorial integrity. The motherland needs to be guarded and secured first while the other things follow. Once we have ensured the security of our Country, then greater emphasis and effort neeeds to be on the development, education and training of our human resources. Once the law and order situation improves, investment will flow into the country. That should help to alleviate poverty, unemployment and lack of development in backward areas. Ensure three things and you can secure your future. A healthy economy, an educated and healthy workforce backed by a resilient and capable defence force. Do our leaders have the vision, the determination and the capability to charter such a course. Time will tell.

khan
Mar 15, 2016 02:48pm

pakistan must sell these planes to india

Rohit
Mar 15, 2016 02:48pm

who will pay for it?

Abdulla Hussain
Mar 15, 2016 02:49pm

A routine matter, ageing aircrafts need replacement. F-18, SU-35 would do fine.

kanwarch
Mar 15, 2016 02:51pm

@Raja Ragu Raman Please tell this to your government which is the largest importer of military hardware in the world.

M. asghar
Mar 15, 2016 02:55pm

Wa dreadful way to squander the limited financial resources away from the basic need of internal development of the country!

mustafa
Mar 15, 2016 02:58pm

bad news for jf17 programme...waste of money i guess..no long term plan. Maybe should concentrate on our missile systems and have a elite 5 gen fighter squad from russia

Rishi
Mar 15, 2016 03:08pm

India is building 5th Generation fighters with Russia, Then how they will sell those to Pakistan .It is strange that China already testing there 5th generation fighters and Pakistan not seeking from them.

Antony Ooty
Mar 15, 2016 03:09pm

China competes with the US, Indian competes with China and Pakistan competes with India in buying these planes. Not a single shot would be fired at each other by these planes but would be kept as ornamental showpieces. And the end the West would go laughing to the bank. Once a third world country ....always a third world country.

Indian
Mar 15, 2016 03:12pm

Pakistan should buy russian planes. They are good. Our friend russia needs money because oil price is down.

Khurrum
Mar 15, 2016 03:14pm

Dont give these 199 planes to waderas or landlords for their private protection. Instead sell them to African countries OR simply dump and recycle the metals.

Kp
Mar 15, 2016 03:18pm

The unit price of an Su30MKI that India bought is INR 358 Crores per piece. This cost is humongous for a developing nation. Farmers die trying to pay be there debts. Many children don't go to school.

Yet we (IND & PAK) continue to spend...........

Isn't that our defeat ? We stand defeated as nations !!!!

alpha
Mar 15, 2016 03:19pm

please spend money on education and infradtructure..we need it more than planes..

K
Mar 15, 2016 03:19pm

Pakistan really need to push our Foreign Office hard to go and fight your case. Does Senate ask India for guarantee that India will not use the equipment against Pakistan ??? And also when did Pakistan use F-16 against India? Since we acquired F-16s we never went head to head with India. But it's time Pakistan should look for other options other than US, we are so use to American Technology that we are willing to test nation's pride in US Senate. I understand PAF is hesitant to acquire Russian Technology which is not very reliable and nor we have any experience or compatible systems. But at some point we must go to Russia's SU35 which is the best available Tech. And forget that US will ever give us F22 Raptors so better acquire what we can get easily.

Alam
Mar 15, 2016 03:20pm

@ROHIT PANDEY there will be shift in thinking automatically when India changes its approach towards smaller neighbours. If the approach remains the same, trade links can be broken anytime. What India did with Nepal recently is enough to show Indian thinking about smaller neighbours.

alpha
Mar 15, 2016 03:22pm

best strategy..manufacture own weapons, help economy and create jobs..save money..spend it on the prople..

Shakeel Ahmed
Mar 15, 2016 03:22pm

@Zak

"Maintaining credible defence is the only way to avoid wars" Amazing bent logic that has kept us wasting money on silly things rather than education.

Alam
Mar 15, 2016 03:30pm

@GS we never discussed how many Indians are living below poverty line when we hear about India's defence purchases. We know your Govt. is taking care of these matters. Similarly Pakistan also have its own priorities according to the needs.

Azeez
Mar 15, 2016 03:40pm

@Bokhari : you are wrong JF-17 is a Chinese made plane with Russian engine and avionics

Alam
Mar 15, 2016 03:42pm

@Raja Parekh enter into same agreement with China as well and stop this race with China.

Khwaja
Mar 15, 2016 03:44pm

Be Pakistani. Made in Pakistan. Why just "Sub se pehlay Pakistan!"

Saad q
Mar 15, 2016 04:04pm

Pakistan has to keep up with India.

Ariana
Mar 15, 2016 04:06pm

Best to develop with China and avoid purchasing from foreign nations.

Farid
Mar 15, 2016 04:08pm

Here's an innovative thought. Pakistan also needs 190 hospitals, 190 universities and 190 schools.

M.Saeed
Mar 15, 2016 04:37pm

$ 669 for 8 aircraft! That means almost Rs. 8 billion a piece! Pakistan should plan to manufacture them within the country, much cheaper.

SHAHID MAHMOOD
Mar 15, 2016 04:38pm

@Noon Jf 17 is designed for Pakistan use as required in our area. Chinese requirement will be different.

M.Saeed
Mar 15, 2016 04:38pm

$ 669 for 8 aircraft! That means over Rs. 9 billion a piece! Pakistan should plan to manufacture them within the country, much cheaper.

Zubaida khan
Mar 15, 2016 04:49pm

Currently, the only combat-ready fifth-generation fighter is the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, which entered service with the United States Air Force in 2005.The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, Sukhoi PAK FA, HAL AMCA, TAI TFX, Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang J-31 are currently under various stages of testing and development.

The Raptor is very expensive.

SHAHID MAHMOOD
Mar 15, 2016 05:13pm

@Saeed Exactly so. And may I add that a more powerful engine for jf 17 from Russia would make it a lot more potent platform using least amount of money.

Usman
Mar 15, 2016 05:54pm

With the JF-17 Thunder already in service, there's no need to go for any other model. Money should be spent on R&D at Kamra, not new procurement.

akram
Mar 15, 2016 06:13pm

@manav China did not shun JF-17, it was an aircraft built specifically for the needs of the PAF. For its own use China built the J-10, you got the name of the aircraft wrong too.

Taimoor Khan
Mar 15, 2016 06:37pm

No more F16s please. We need to look for better jets to counter the threat posed by Indian defense spending spree. The constant moaning and non sense from the American congressmen is too much to bear with anyway.

akram
Mar 15, 2016 06:40pm

@Saqib try to read up before giving your opinion. JF-17 has not been shelved on the contrary it is going from strength to strength. It already has 1 export order from Myanmar, another imminent from Nigeria, with 3 others close to ordering.

Pakistan currently has about 70 JF-17's in its inventory.

Mujtaba
Mar 15, 2016 07:08pm

@zeze I agree with you but not completely if the government completely focuses on educating children and not country defence soon Pakistan will be a part of India

ali
Mar 15, 2016 07:30pm

why not arrange a plan that way thesr jets are produce inside of Pakistan and create jobs or transfer of technology?

Shimatoree
Mar 15, 2016 07:34pm

The purpose is to deal with GROUND targets which the Terror net works are and the best airplane for that purpose is A-10 which is going to be phased out by the USA. A-10 can stay on the battlefield for hours, can fly at very low altitude, has tremendous Fire power and survivability. It can carry and deliver all the high tech precision weapons. it is the best platform against a Tank assault. I have wondered as to why the PAF has not considered this plane ?

Raja Farhat Abbas
Mar 15, 2016 07:41pm

@zeze Defense of our motherland comes first,a well defended Pakistan will prosper and progress in all fields.

Abu Azrael
Mar 15, 2016 08:02pm

If you want to fight then buy Russian If you want to show then buy French

Ali
Mar 15, 2016 08:25pm

United States Air Force helped build Pakistan Air Force by providing training and aircraft. H-19, H-43, T-6G, T-33, T-37, F-86, B-57, F-104, F-16 and C-130. PAF has been flying F-16s for 30 years, receiving 80 F-16s over the years. During President Musharaf's tenure, US government "approved" 36 F-16 C/D Block 52 in June 2005. PAF inducted 18 F-16s with remaining jets to be acquired later. This was due to the massive earthquake, funds were needed for relief and rehabilitation.

PAF is now receiving 8 F-16s of that same "approved" deal, remaining 10 to be acquired even later. India objected that it would alter the military balance in the region? That was absurd and malicious, when India is acquiring 36 latest Rafale jets from France worth $8 billion, with total 126 Rafales for IAF worth $20 billion. The Obama Administration has honored US commitment to Pakistan's legitimate defence needs, by not allowing India to "dictate" US foreign policy.

Shahid
Mar 15, 2016 10:44pm

We may hate spending money on war toys but in the present scenario where no Muslim country is being spared, and where we are encircled by enemies on all sides, I would rather stay poor and uneducated but would make it sure that nothing happens to my beloved country. My country belongs to my future generations and I must make it sure that it is passed on to the next generation without any harm being inflicted to it.

a
Mar 16, 2016 12:03am

Who on earth buy Russian planes ????

Tamil
Mar 16, 2016 12:32am

We have no money, yet we spend billions on arms, that we can't really use against any country. What a waste. We need education, infrastructure, health, poverty alleviation of 60% of our population, peace with neighbours, and honouring our past committments.

BRR
Mar 16, 2016 12:35am

This is response to India upgrading with 126 Rafaele fighters. We start, Pakistan follows , neither can win from the other and citizens of both poor countries suffer.

Ajay vikram Singh
Mar 16, 2016 12:48am

190 fighter planes in 5 years! A huge task indeed.

But really, Just imagine not to worry about security all the time. How good that would feel for a change? India and Pakistan must seriously give permanent peace a chance. For that we need to be patient, kind and honest with each other. Peace is the only way forward.

GAWAL MANDI YA
Mar 16, 2016 12:52am

So if the air force plans to replace 190 planes,and the french are too expensive,then I rather see Pakistan replace 170 instead of 190 and get the french planes, you may be buying 20 less planes but you'll be buying quality, replace the other 20 with JF-17, or down the road buy a few more F-16's. There is no need to rush to 2020,take a few years longer to build the air force, ain't nobody going no where.

Andy
Mar 16, 2016 01:49am

I see too many comments about country's might, some proud and some don't. Let's focus on the actual issue that should be more concern than any other thing, and that's ' PEACE 'how would you buy the peace and prosperity for your people. Open the borders and let people decide where and what they wanna be. English, Chinese or Arabian culture doesn't fit in our society as they are widely open on strict according to our values. So what could be the best? I think the Sindhu culture which is mainly recognized as Hindu culture. Hospitality is the prime focus in it, love and prosperity is purely seen in it. Pakistan was actually marked on those values, but today's western culture has eaten away its roots just like China or any other country. I would say wait for next 10-15 years then everyone will regret about their dreams for weapons and might. True might will be in people where they will have more power in their decisions to lead their future with peace. God bless u

How would you buy peace

tariq
Mar 16, 2016 02:40am

@GS For that we need to mature and show wisdom and make peace with India so that we are not competing to stay at par with a far larger economy in a more advance stage of development. Here we are bashing Afridi for his comments that actually could get our team some much needed support from the locals.

Ghaznavi
Mar 16, 2016 02:42am

peace is far cheaper then war. Hope both countries understand this! To my Indian friends please don't use China are pretext to continue supporting this madness.

Saleem Akhtar
Mar 16, 2016 03:05am

Remember the "wheat" we received after paying for F-16s in the 1990's. Please go for other options as well and don't put all eggs in one basket.

Mrs. Phannay Khan
Mar 16, 2016 03:08am

I thought indigenous JF17 is the best in the world? Why are we looking then East, West, Everywhere?

Shaid
Mar 16, 2016 06:08am

Don't buy f16 just get su35 of j10b I am sick of those American f16 junk and cut all military relationship with u s and move forward new fighter aircraft NO MORE F16 END DISCUSSION

Nihari Lal 007
Mar 16, 2016 08:32am

Why? So they sit around and get old?

We will take loans to buy these anyway. Its a perfect recipe to get poorer.

Focus on infrastructure and women's rights please.

Reader.
Mar 16, 2016 11:57am

So why cannot Pakistan learn technology and production from the old air crafts?. These air crafts can be used to learn more about metallurgy, alloys, aeronautics, electronics, engine technology, structure, wind tunnel testing, laminates, glass technology, polymers, mechanics, hydraulics, avionics, combustion, Each aircraft is an amalgamation of many specialized technologies. In fact each part can be carefully analysed separately and with other parts to be able to research into ways and means how testing should be done. Give each part to a university in Pakistan for a very specific, research assignment, this way, students will learn more and be able to design and able to produce the best, in this country.

rehan
Mar 16, 2016 12:29pm

I do not see why people see the needs for Defense and Education , Health etc in an Either / or manner. A strong defense is absolutely a must. If anything, our Government can learn from our Armed Forces about how an Institution should be like. Armed Forces excel in discipline and are continuously working to reduce reliability on external sources . POF produces world class weapons. JF-17 is another example of technological collaboration. Why can't the same be done in other areas ?

Reader.
Mar 16, 2016 01:07pm

@Mrs. Phannay Khan. You thought, which is different than what is.

Iqbal
Mar 16, 2016 09:05pm

Population has increased 5 fold since 1947. Piped Clean Water is scarce. Most rural kids go to substandard educational 'schools'.Health care and provision of free family planning materials is scarce. For the poor, food is scarce. and the list goes on ... So who cares - as long as we get 190 new planes ! Each plane costing billions of rupees! At least the plane builders and sellers will be happy !

Ajay vikram Singh
Mar 16, 2016 11:49pm

@Ghaznavi - Peace is stronger than war. May peace be upon you.

PakistanFirst
Mar 17, 2016 02:32am

Man, why not simply aim for comprehensive peace and trade deal with India and Afghanistan by 2020 instead?

Afterwards, Pakistan can seek to enter a NATO-like alliance with China to protect itself and 'share' military resources when need be?

Ali Rizvi
Mar 17, 2016 03:49am

@Hashim Good analysis. Let's first feed our poor.

Agha Ata
Mar 17, 2016 06:35am

Pakistan Air Force needs to retire 190 planes from its current fleet by 2020, but why and what for?

Akbar
Mar 17, 2016 07:01am

What`s the point of Nuclear Deterrence when you still need to buy so many figher planes? India is buying Influence by buying war planes. Pakistan is using Aid Money & loans to buy these planes.

Pakster
Mar 17, 2016 08:26am

Pakistan should try to obtain manufacturing license for SU-35 or MiG-35 Air Superiority Fighters. PAF should also consider purchasing 50 to 60 units of SU-34 for deep penetration role.

Rajvir Batra
Mar 17, 2016 09:18am

@manav India uses Sukhoi-30 MKI while China uses Sukhoi 30 MKK

jay
Mar 17, 2016 09:33am

What happened to the "Top class 5th generation" air craft being developed with Chinese collaboration? Lost confidence in the Quality of Chinese air craft?

Ahmar Qureshi
Mar 17, 2016 10:44am

As per my understanding the PAF will require the following war planes:

Long range air superiority : Sukhoi's new SU-35 with 3D TVC (for naval air wing too) Multirole : J-10 B's Fighter / long range Bomber : Mikoyan's new Mig-35

A paradox that the twin eaters will elevate the fuel expense, regardless of any company Sukhoi, Mikoyan, McDonnel Douglas Growlers / Hornets, Boeing's Silent Eagle, EU-Typhn, Rafael etc.

European market is quite costly but French Dassult might play an affordable part in Mirage fleet. for Lockheed Martin's products, I would like to add here that PAF has mastered those birds!