Pakistan not to open airspace until India de-escalates: official
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has declined a request to open its airspace until India de-escalates, Aviation Secretary Shahrukh Nusrat told a parliamentary committee.
“The Indian government approached asking us to open the airspace. We conveyed our concerns that first India must withdraw its fighter planes placed forward,” Mr Nusrat told the Senate Standing Committee on Aviation.
The aviation secretary was responding to questions from members of the committee, who were inquiring about profitable and loss-making routes of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA).
PIA Chief Executive Officer Air Marshal Arshad Malik presented to the committee members details of seven new routes that had been introduced to earn profits. Five loss-making routes were closed, he added.
According to the senior official, PIA revenue had jumped by 34 per cent after saving 20pc on operation costs, improving cargo services, controlling delays, fuel management and centralising food procurement.
He explained that the PIA had saved Rs35 million in two months after earning from excess baggage which were up by 11pc and improving cargo load factor by 55pc.
“We have also recovered a Boeing 777 and an A-320 Airbus lying abandoned for 15 months after repairing them at a cost of $3 million. The fleet is now 28 strong and we are leasing two new aircraft,” Air Marshal Malik informed the members.
Published in Dawn, July 12th, 2019
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India sure learns its lesson. Hit nothing. Lost 3 planes and honour. Yet payback is unending.
@Fastrack,
Live in your dream world, happily.
@Fastrack, Still in dreamworld ???
Pakistan will open the Airspace. Otherwise more aggressive IAF actions will and can do the job also.
The only good thing coming out of PTI government is that they have taken a firm stand to punish the rogue neighbour country until they mend their ways and stop sending terrorists in Pakistan.
@Fastrack, keep dreaming and thats exactly where you lost yourselves for 50 years...
@Fastrack, yes and it could have turned into a nightmare for them if they had pushed on with their adventure.
And don't open your airspace India have capacity to take the losses do you?
The flights will continue , from a longer route so the fares will rise the customers will have to pay more but business will go on . Just remember you to will loose $ revenue -- but you are rich and can afford it .
@Ravindran Achuthan, & Byju: You guys, plz note it’s India requesting to open the skies, and it’s India suffering enormously due to Pak air space closures, as well as Iran air restrictions. I think instead of stalling in past events we must look forward, and works for coexistence, and mutual benefits. India can pull back its planes to backward bases, and hence Pak will open up. Besides in recent talks with Afghan President Pak also agreed to open up transit trade with India. Things are better.
@Fastrack, It has caused 100 million dollar loss to Pakistan too.The use of airspace is also revenue stream.Its a fight no one loses and no one wins,Only affects all common population of both countries.
Airspace should remain closed to India
Looks like someone is still scared. No worries. India will be happy to hit more “trees” in the future.
@Ravindran Achuthan, d MiG and chopper wreckage looked pretty real. Must be a nightmare for you..
If India cannot access North west so as Pakistan not cannot access south east.
Enjoy
Do Pakistan thinks India can not absorb 100 M loss due to closure of its air space ?
Press freedom is must in a country.@Fastrack
Indians bullying mindset will never change.
@Maverick, Who is begging to open Airspace ? After all Mavericks are no more.
Keep it shut.
So according to vice versa of "One step two step formula" India need to take two steps now.
So Pakistan will beat losses because Indian fighter planes are placed forward. The idea is to mount International pressure on India to move her fighter planes in her hangers. Good move India will loose $190 million per yr and Pakistan $200-250 million per yr. It is a economical warfare.
keep the airspace close for good. India made a huge mistake to mess with Pakistan. Pakistan strikes six different locations inside India just to show its capabilities, shot down IAF planes in a dog fight, captured their wing commander.. Also as a good will gesture return their captured commander to India.
What has gone unreported is the amount Pakistan is losing due to missing out on fees every airline gives to the country whose airspace they use. A single flight of Boeing 747, for example, gets you richer $600, approx.. So you can imagine the mutual loss the two country is suffering. And it's easy to guess who has the greater power to absorb the blow.
Can India trust Pakistan,the answer id "No",therefore The Indian Air Defenses must remain,
@Byju, & you continue in the dark, damp cave of your nightmare. Enjoy.
Penny wise pound foolish as usual. Once India officially stops doing business with entities that do business in Pakistan and stops allowing people with the green visa and passport into Indiathis (including Chinese businesses), and closing the embassy/consulates we will see real isolation.
@Fastrack, You are right, all the sarcasm proves!
If Pakistan does NOT open the airspace India should escalate tension by launching Fighter Planes upto Indo-Pak Border every day and get them back just before crossing the border. Pakistan will be forced to activate their Fighter Planes spending MILLIONS of Dollars which Pakistan can ill afford at this difficult economic times.
Keep it closed. Both India and Pakistan suffered losses upto $100 million. Impact on Pakistan is more due to smaller economy size
We should forget this route and move on. We shouldn't compromise with this blackmailing tactics about our national security where to place our fighter plan.
For those that claimed a few trees were the only thing that fell, Pakistan's giddiness, 4 months after the strikes conveys all that needs to be conveyed. I was skeptical at the beginning on the effectiveness of the strikes but Pakistan's response immediately after & since has established it with great certainty on the losses inflicted on strategic assets.
they want our airspace open so they can attack our trees and make our billion trees tsunami scheme to become unsuccessful. WoW.
@jssidhoo , we hit where it hurt the most, but a punch, hand also soar so we dont care
@Fastrack, if pak not open, no issue, in coming few years baluchistan & sindh will allow us to fly as an independent nations
Just think finally India force to stop water what you Pakistan will do? Any one answer? Think wisely not emotionally.
Pakistan also losing $700 per flight. This fact is hidden from general Pakistani public.
You close air space Modi will close dam gates. Equal equation.. it's comming... Just one more year. Work going on..
@Indian, - actually India is getting extra dollar due to closure of Pakistani airspace as planes are flying through India so India get overflying fees.
@Fastrack, In the modern era we just don't fight with fighter jets alone. We fight with international diplomacy, water treaties, economic sanctions and by forcing you to make dumb choices. History of USSR shows that forcing economic mismanagement is the cleanest way to bring down even a giant. With the current debt situation and a grim future, how long do you think Pakistan got before people start revolting?
@Fastrack, In the modern era we just don't fight with fighter jets alone. We fight with international diplomacy, water treaties, economic sanctions and by forcing you to make dumb choices. History of USSR shows that forcing economic mismanagement is the cleanest way to bring down even a giant. With the current debt situation and a grim future, how long do you think Pakistan got before people start revolting?
@Byju, does not accepting reality make you happy?
@Bhaijan, As mentioned in parliament, Air India loses have risen by 13 lakh per day due to Pak airspace closure. This amounts to USD 6.93 million per year. Further people flying in and out if Delhi to western destinations have the inconvenience of slightly longer flights.
India wants to avoid needless expense and inconvenience and requested for lifting air closure on reciprocal basis. But it will not allow Pak to use this as a bargaining chip in India’s national security.
@Ravindran Achuthan, I appreciate your courage to deny reality.
@Fastrack, India never learn before, its a great chance to improvement.
@The Gentleman Indian, Dont worry, this time we will make tea in bulk!
@Byju, Learn to face reality, otherwise you all will be stuck in your false world and nothing will change for you. Good you come to learn here.
@Byju, first u wake up frm slumber mate, ask those ppl who travel how painful it has become fr them. paying extra fare, less baggae allowance and longer flight times. not gd at all.
@The Gentleman Indian, Indian airforce can only do job in Bollywoood not in real world. We are tired of sending 'Abhinandhans' back, after free stylish suit, free meals and of course " Tea is faantustik".
@Faraz, well said, agree 100%.
@Bhaijan, Afghan transit trade was dependent on IOK resolution.
Just see what Pak losing.
Airlines pay a fee to fly over other countries. They're called overflight fees. ... Most countries "rent" that airspace to foreign airlines, allowing them to fly through it. Some countries also provide air traffic control services.
@Maverick, Before making ignorant statements based on your government and media lies, check your debt burden, touching $800 billion. India is losing 10 times more and economically in the dumps. That's the reality.
1 USD = 161 PKR and 1 IRS = 2.30 PKR better to keep in mind.
@Zak, 93k is a very huge number. It might be 10% of you population at that time.
Yes, perfect punishment. Good going
@Mubashir, make tea in bulk, like can you make 93000 teas
Due to closer, pakistan is losing $ 100 million - already in trouble, will be more in trouble. Why feel scared of outdated Indian aircrafts when you have F16s? That sounds reality.
@The Gentleman Indian, we are waiting to serve a abhinandan tea
Our airport looks beautiful and pristine from aerial view. Thanks to PMIK
@Ravindran Achuthan, they ll never learn until perish
@The Gentleman Indian, how naive are you??? Pakistan is an independent and strong nation with an army stronger than ever, stop staying in this state of denial.
@The Gentleman Indian, Ask your captains who lost their fighter jets and the result will be same but without the fantastic tea.
@Fastrack, funny where you get your information from. Dreams?
@Faraz, great and you keep on loosing money and reputation. A financially distraught Nation running around with a begging bowl trying to put up a brave face.
At a time when Pakistan needs dollars to cover massive imports, this step is not pragmatic. Revenue earning opportunity is being lost.
They should not Forget, New Delhi Controls water they drink.
How liar is pak authority...Actually nobody approaches him
@The Gentleman Indian, Daydreaming is fun. Keep it up.
is indian airspace open for pakistani airlines??
remember,no air space no water.:)
Lost 3 jets and now exist from WC with disgrace
Still scared it seems.
Relationship should improve
@Fastrack, denial
@Ravindran Achuthan, “Still in dreamworld ???”
Sure. Abhinandan was a dream, although for India it was a bad dream
@Zak, do you know the reason behind sending Our hero Abhinandan back? Within 24 hrs he was back in India. You are not aware of the reason so you are talking like this. If you knew the facts then you would not have said this.
@The Gentleman Indian, Oh really, walk the talk
Good thinking. Keep it up.
@Iqbal hussain, I thought we lost 6 aircraft, you were gracious to say3. If you could get to no 5 in the points table with support from Afghanistan and that is not disgraceful, then we need not. Moreover over, we are satisfied with our teams performance. We ensured to dismember your country, and you don't feel ashamed. Yes, we lost an aircraft, but it demonstrated a paradigm shift in the manner we deal with you- a rogue state. Result being that you have stopped using nuclear blackmail.
Then keep it closed forever and keep loosing on money. Because this is the new normal.
@Fastrack, Howz the weather in La La Land?
@Ravindran Achuthan, i thought Abi nandan must have told u the truth by now,,,,,,, try it again and get surprised again
If India will not de-escalate, Pakistan will also maintain its current position.
@The Gentleman Indian, The Tea Was Fantastic :-D
@Jai Bharat , yes and we will allow it for the independent state of Khalistan.
@Nasir, live in your dreams happily like you do for past 70 years
@Zak, keep living in day dreaming like you do for past 70 years
India should now learn the lesson after losing the World Cup. Don’t be over confident. Because you think you are 5 times bigger and you have got the money doesn’t make us weaker.
Why do indians think they are from outer space? Majority of them are very arrogant and have some serious superiority complex.
@Akram, What was your logic to release him in one day?
@Omar, Abi non done fantastic :-)
No talk no peace. No talk no action. Everything relate to talk for peace.
@ExPak, "Why do indians think they are from outer space? Majority of them are very arrogant and have some serious superiority complex." Its a natural reaction to centuries of being ruled by foreigners. Its infact a deep inferiority complex. If you look at the state of them you will realise they have nothing to feel superior about.
Keep the airspace closed to India. That country cannot be trusted.
Well don't complain when we stop the water ..
@Faraz, I think you are upside down...!!!
@riz1, dear india doesn't do any business with us. And please do try to boycott chinese
@Salute Pakistan, Why do we want feel that Pakistan is weaker? You in fact are weaker to India in all aspects viz. size, military power, economy, international standing, diplomacy, sports.
@akram, It's a feeling of superiority itself that we always had a land which from Alexander to Mughals and Portuguese to British wanted to have. BTW let it remain in past, and tell me do you really think that you guys are actually ruling yourselves right now?
Rafale is on the way. For Rafale it doesn't matter whether airspace open or closed. It will make its own space...!!! We can understand the nightmare PAK army is facing currently. Worst is ahead for PAK Army..!!
good to see Indians burning here in the comments section already, keep begging kids, no airspace for you anymore, the next batch of Abhinandans will not get tea, only public flogging package at flat rate this time...
@akram, A lot to think why we are superior. Only one will be fine: We are not beggars.
@Nasir,
There is no comparison between two. One country can absorb the cost and other country can not. Why Pakistan is demanding moving Indian fighter jets and on what grounds. Why India should take action on Pakistan say so?
why pakistan is so scared. Did pakistan removed fighter jets from its own forward bases? Its an absurd demand from pakistan asking india to remove fighter jets from forward bases. what if pakistan launches air strikes on indian forward bases and if there is no fighter jets then who will defend against the attack? And air space restriction doesn't makes any difference to fighter jets launching an offensive. Air space restriction or not , the fighter jets launches strikes in either cases.
When will PIA recover its lost business to gulf airlines?
@Bhaijan,
A naked nation has obviously nothing to loose.
Air India is feeling the fuel pinch!
@Salute Pakistan, Says a country whose over confident yawning captain dint even make it to semis but said we will make 500 runs against bangladesh enter semis and win world cup.
@Ahmed, boy u continue dreaming about khalistan and kashmiri. Modi will definitely get rid of rougue elements from both states. You will be left with broken Baloch, kp and tea cup and broken dream of khalistan and kashmir
@Zak, at the same time you forgot to mention how much reserve India has? And check how much debt and reserve Pakistan has. Do not just give one sided figs.
Its a good lesson for our neighbours, let them fly the longer routes for at least a year. Loss of aircraft, loss of IAF pride and loss of money is the result of their misadventure. We should not be in hurry we are at peace.
Stupid decision as usual. It is costing Pakistan more than others. Also it affects common man only as Pakistan open airspace for Modi and his team.
Scrap Indus water Treaty. We already given them a lot in charity. Do not release any water..
@The Gentleman Indian,
blinded by arrogance
@Fastrack, lost 3.. wow you people are fed with fantabulous news..
@riz1, you got to be kidding. Do you really live in a fantasy world or what? INDIA is no USA please
It is pakistan right to close its airspace after India hit pakistan so hard and such huge casualty
How many flights from India daily use Pakistani airspace? And how many flights from Pakistan daily use Indian air space? I think we know the answer to this. Due to closure of Pakistan air space Air India is almost out of business the Indian government is selling to any private company for less.
India is winning the airspace war. Costs up to $300k per day in terms of revenue for the CAA.
The incredible strategic importance of Pakistan has finally dawned on the world.Congratulations on the job well done Aviation Secretary Mr.Shahrukh Nusrat for adopting a policy based on realism and not emotionalism.
@Fastrack, But pakistan didn't
@satish, Then it will be a war and in a war no one win's.!
@The Gentleman Indian, And Pakistan will shoot down more of your flying coffins and capture more abhi nandans!
@akram, Its a natural reaction to centuries of being ruled by foreigners. Its infact a deep inferiority complex. If you look at the state of them you will realise they have nothing to feel superior about."
Rich coming from someone who hail their invaders as their heroes. Our history is full of our local heroes. May be your statement applies more to you guys, especially after the forceful conversion of your defeated ancestors. Isn't it?
@The Gentleman Indian, The problem of Modi bhakht and indian mentality. Otherwise you will already have learnt the lesson. 3 fighter Jets. One Marshall. You can't match our soldiers yet our homemade war machines and commenting on our news platform. Your whole history is fabricated and presented to you in movies but still you didn't raise questions because you were told lies from your childhood and brainwashed with hatredness. Whole word highlighted your failures. #Peace #PakistanWantsPeace
@Chinpaksaddique, "Our airport looks beautiful and pristine from aerial view. Thanks to PMIK"
With just 3 planes....agree.....less is more. Few months later it will look even more beautiful with flora and fauna on and around them.
@Bhaijan, Yes India has lost lot of money & now asking IMF to bail out ! Its a normal Practice to ask your Govt to open the route money wise you can only dream what India is capable.
@Thinking, Planted agents in Balochistan will be caught one by one by the patriot Balochi's and will get what they deserve.!
India brought to its knees. They are not asking Pakistan to lessen the loss and passengers count BUT the awareness closure of air space raises along the foreigner flyers to mainland India. Any Foreigner traveling to India asks why did they initiate conflict with pacifist Pakistan in the first place. Why drag Pakistan in mainland Indian general election? I guess Pak air space will remain closed to Indian bound flights till next general elections of India so that india dare not repeat their gaffe.
@Zak, Scared to touch a hair on Abhinandan? Gave him tea and a woman escorted him back! This month, Kulbhushan Jadav will be released by the courts. He will come back like Abhi. Wait and watch.
@Nand, You are what you say you are not.!
@The Gentleman Indian,
hahahaha..as you hit F-16 earlier
@Rajesh, From the very top to the very bottom you Indians are so stupid its mind boggling.!
@Byju, then three airplanes India were in the real world, perhaps you need to reassess your criteria of dreams......sweet dreams
@Fastrack, Till date Pakistan Airlines have not been able to resume it's flights for Thailand, Bangladesh and Malaysia. The cost is heavy for Pakistan while for India it is much less and bearable. Loss is for both sides.
Besides Pakistan seeking removal of Aircraft from bases is unreasonable as no force would compromise on it's fighting capability. I think Pakistan should open it for good of all and show to the world their willingness to cooperate with India in mutual interest.
@rama, yes we do with 70% of your population living below the poverty line and 400 million without defecating facilities
It seems Balakot strikes still haunting.
@Zak, Lost in the dreamland as ever.
Pakistan will keep blocking it air space for Indian flights BECAUSE it advertises & highlights India's gaffe to foreigners traveling to India get introduced to Indian mentality even before they step on Indian soil.
@ExPak, Indians are not from outer space. Actually they are very ancient. Ancient enough to be your ancestors.
@Mubashir, Yes but October 2019 you will be left with tea only
Very nice gesture from Pakistan.
It is better for India and Pakistan NOT to have any air traffic; India should endure the financial loss.
@Byju, still in denial.
Ego trumps dollar income for Pakistan. Since Pakistani economy is so strong that money comes last.
@Jai Bharat , Sweet dreams:-)
@Bhaijan, Don't you think it is absurd for Pakistan to demand that India removes fighter jets away from its own bases? Where else would we station our fighter jets, in Pakistan?
@Kadwa Sach, Why the need access to south east?
We don’t need the curse on air space... close it for good. Indians are not allowed to spread their curse( curse only apply to India’s politicians.... Indian people are nice.....No offence to them...
@Byju, ask dear abhinandan
When will Pakistan government takes positive steps to boost its economy ?Feel sorry for the lack of business intention of its government.
What happens if India denies it's airspace for all Pakistan bound flights ?
@The Gentleman Indian, sweetdreams
@Press Freedom, the way godi media got. Nd u ppl on dawn page explains everything
@Bhaijan, Why don't you teach peace lessons to those who send the strategic assets against India? India has right to fight back any cost.
Good move keep airspace closed for now
@Faraz, this is other way around.
Let them close airspace we should close waters which we give them free
Pakistan has complete closure for all flights over its territory going into and out of India, including non-Indian airlines. India has not blocked non-Pakistani carriers from flying to Pakistan. If India does that, Pakistanis will be taking longer routes to and from southeastern countries like Malaysia and Singapore. Indian flights from Delhi are affected the most, but affects on flights from and to Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore is minimal. Let’s see if India can withstand the situation.
@The Gentleman Indian, Fantasies can be self destructive also
What India does on its territory it is its own business.
@Santosh , you can't simple answer
As if anyone cares... you can keep it all to yourself.
Good. Keep it closed.
@Justin, which flights?
It should remain closed for few years at least. You don't cross international border and get away with it.
Good gesture by Pakistan.Indian foreign reserve increased to 437 b$ today because pakistan posed a huge loss to India by closing their air space.Carry on with your this gesture
India must be made to think a trillion times before even diapatching a pigeon across the border.
All for normalisation of ties but loving Pakistan’s response and handling of attempted bullying.
Closing out routes will indeed save the losses, but that’s not a way to gauge the performance, why were those routes not producing good results? Closing routes is not fixing the problem.
Apprehension of iaf fighter aircraft even in their airfields
No more freebies and good will gestures. Earn it.
@huz, Bangladesh , a better and richer economy is also a figment of imagination
The senior PIA official says that Revenue increased after cost cutting. He must understand that cost cutting leads to profit increase (or later ss decrease) and revenue increase would be due to traffic increase.
Bring PIA to Australia
@HashBrown, Sister, longer routes are safer routes too. We will also learn to bear with the additional cost as well.
@Gordon D Limper, good one
@Ahmed, Stop water which we are sending from 70 years. no freebees. Let purchase it also..
Let Pakistan not open anything, Already this you take one step towards peace and we will take two has been long exposed in the eyes of ordinary Indians. And the ordinary Indians are the only ones who benefit from peace. Imran can rethink.
I am surprised that Indians tout their space program and defense capabilities but do not mention their lack of lack of basic needs like toilets and food. India has more malnourished people than Pakistan’s population and then some. Indians are getting lost in their own lies.
These adventures were all part of modi’ Election campaigns. So sad have situations like this. Everyone must live in peace and harmony.
@Zak,
The same applies to you too.
@Maria, Excellent reply Maria.
Closing air space is a loss to international aviation and the to country that closes it. US charges about 62$/100 miles for each flight. Iran charges more. Pakistan probably looses around $100,000 per flight using her air space. The carrier that are not allowed air space will go through longer route and will cost more.
Pakistan could also generate revenue through oil/gas pipelines from Iran to India and central Asia to India. Another source is toll on land transportation between Afghanistan and India. These are easy revenue sources and do not require large investment.
Good move. Let Indians travel for fun over Iran.
@jssidhoo , We will be rich and will afford it, you are not rich and never will be, so you won't be able to afford it.
@Prateik, Worry about Indian debt of $800 billion and massive trade deficit. Don't try be what you are not. Reality you are extremely poor and you need to stop conflicts and start helping your 90% poor population.
@Ravindran Achuthan, Who Indians?
@NSG, Yes, it's the malafide intention that is at display not the vintage aircraft at the bases.
@Byju, Embrace the truth now, you have to, one day!
Looks like someone is still scared!!
@Maria, Hope Niazi is invited
Keep the airspace closed for the neighboring dreamers.
The closure of the airspace affected nearly 400 flights a day and resulted in nearly a loss of $100 million (Rs 1587 crore) for Islamabad.
forget Pakistan airspace ....give the money instead to china ....overfly shagsam valley and xinjiang to get to Tajikistan .... and from there to anywhere western or central asia or Afghanistan ... never use pakistan airspace ever again ----...it may even be cheaper as india has great economic relations with china
Great News
@Hamid, business are you serious what kind of business do you have to offer except towels to US.. btw how much is your current export..
How about India abrogating IWT in retaliation!
please keep airspace closed, india will develop northern route via china airspace into Tajikistan and thereby completely avoid Pakistan air space .... india economic relations with those two are pretty good enough to achieve the desired results
India told where they can go and rightfully so.
@Faraz, Good joke that. Which is the country under FATF action? Not India for sure!
@Honest, We Pakistani's are only afraid of the almighty who created us and will never be scared of Cockroaches.!
@Bharat Dave, We can punch way above our weight so don't get carried away by the size of your impoverished and over populated country.!!
@Kadwa Sach, We not to much flights in the east or south east. Most of the flight goes toward western side. Your airspace closure has negligible inpact on us. But we can hear your cry :)
Yes that should show india how powerful pakistan air is.
@Fastrack, you sure live in a delirious world of your own. Pakistan had no chouce but to release the Indian pilot. Anything else would have meant the wrath of India and the US armies raining on your poor nation. Imran khan acted very wisely.
@Salute Pakistan, yes it does
Not only de-escalate but also apologize and then Pakistan should start to review their behavior for couple of years to make sure that they are doing what they supposed to do
@Ahmed, "No more freebies and good will gestures."
It was proposed as a reciprocal gesture by India not a freebie. Anyway now everyone knows that Imran was not sincere where he said, if you take one step we will take two.
@SSS, "yes we do with 70% of your population living below the poverty line and 400 million without defecating facilities"
Outdated figures.
Pl keep the air space closed. Pl notice that Pakistan lies only north of Gujarat and west of states like Punjab and Rajasthan. India is well connected to east, south, US, mideast etc., without need to cross Pakistan airspace. Add current agreement with China and Pakistan factor does not mean much. But sure this will increase Pakistan happiness index. Win win for all.
@Ravindran Achuthan, very true bankrupt yet they think they are something .
All these Indians on this website shows that they are getting hurt badly. Why would they be saying things on this news to pakistani audience unless they have been hurt and want to share their frustration.
Indian aviation minister has officially mentioned 491 Crore losses to Indian airlines. Pakistani airlines impact of this closure is 2 South asian flights. While India is suffering loss of tourism in peak season as Air India prices have doubled. Google London to New Delhi price.
@Fastrack, brought france, Europe, and USA on negotiation table to buy words most capable and expensive planes. approved Lockheed martin , avionics manufacturing in Chennai. GROW UP
India's request is not for military airspace I think.
Let us keep it that way. Remember, we take pride in our country and we can bear the consequences.
If things continue , India may ban H2O !
@Shaan ,
I am surprised that Indians tout their space program and defense capabilities but do not mention their lack of lack of basic needs like toilets and food....
Looks like you do not know anything about this subject. Our space capabilities are earning lots of money for us. We are using that money to build toilets and other things. Do some research about the programs run by Indian govt, which will surprise you. You will start wishing that your govt may do the same.
@Fastrack, well that's not strictly true. Indians did hit a dozen trees and killed a crow as well ☺️
Airspace closer is hurting India now
@Faraz, yes same govt begging multiple times fr dialogue as well isn't???
It’s about time our once elegant and internationally renowned national airline is now finally being managed by a PAF Air Marshal. PIA was abused and flagrantly misused by former so-called leaders and their unqualified minions. It’s heartening to see that steps are being taken to make PIA successful again!
It’s also of vital importance that India not call the shots when it comes to Pakistan’s security and self-preservation. Kudos to IK govt in giving India a taste of his own medicine!
ALL this just for some trees ?
@Indie Guy, India should also stop all airlines coming from east going to Pakistan . Lets see how many days can they sustain.
Never open our airspace for Indians
@Ravindran Achuthan, Look who is talking
@The Gentleman Indian, Should we laugh
@Moksha, Lost what? East Pakistan? That still haunts you Indians? It was a civil war that Pakistan lost long before Indian invasion. In realty thousand years of history haunts your minds.
Let the Indians gloat over their losses. Let us hold on until they come to their senses.
Close all talks and air space for the each others.
Do you guys know that some transit route has been kept open in Pakistan Air corridor and certain airlines including Air India is using it. Pakistan too scared loosing precious foreign exchange. The big talk by ministers is only to fool the people and keep them distracted from real problems facing the country. If you don't believe check latest air route details. Only India originating flights going west and north west are debarred not those flights in transit.
Good decision by Pakistan, India should first learn to understand the benefits of peace.
Beautiful Airport! Inshallah one day it will be in India.
Don't know why the powers that be think its a great idea to have a retired air force general as CEO of national airline. Is it because he was a pilot ?
@jamil Ahmed,
And before the thousand four hundred years history, all of us followed one path.
Only 6 aero bridges at Karachi airport ??? BTW, if you do not open air space , you will keep bleeding economically
Stop water to pakistan...stop visa
AL-Hind had good economy, Pakistan should cooperate to benefit in future by removing all hurdles.
Honestly, I prefer swimming over sea rather than flying Pakistan's airspace.
These kind of issues is best solved with diplomacy. Have a public debate only makes matter worse. When we would learn?
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India sure learns its lesson. Hit nothing. Lost 3 planes and honour. Yet payback is unending.
@Fastrack,
Live in your dream world, happily.
@Fastrack, Still in dreamworld ???
Pakistan will open the Airspace. Otherwise more aggressive IAF actions will and can do the job also.
The only good thing coming out of PTI government is that they have taken a firm stand to punish the rogue neighbour country until they mend their ways and stop sending terrorists in Pakistan.
@Fastrack, keep dreaming and thats exactly where you lost yourselves for 50 years...
@Fastrack, yes and it could have turned into a nightmare for them if they had pushed on with their adventure.
And don't open your airspace India have capacity to take the losses do you?
The flights will continue , from a longer route so the fares will rise the customers will have to pay more but business will go on . Just remember you to will loose $ revenue -- but you are rich and can afford it .
@Ravindran Achuthan, & Byju: You guys, plz note it’s India requesting to open the skies, and it’s India suffering enormously due to Pak air space closures, as well as Iran air restrictions. I think instead of stalling in past events we must look forward, and works for coexistence, and mutual benefits. India can pull back its planes to backward bases, and hence Pak will open up. Besides in recent talks with Afghan President Pak also agreed to open up transit trade with India. Things are better.
@Fastrack, It has caused 100 million dollar loss to Pakistan too.The use of airspace is also revenue stream.Its a fight no one loses and no one wins,Only affects all common population of both countries.
Airspace should remain closed to India
Looks like someone is still scared. No worries. India will be happy to hit more “trees” in the future.
@Ravindran Achuthan, d MiG and chopper wreckage looked pretty real. Must be a nightmare for you..
If India cannot access North west so as Pakistan not cannot access south east.
Enjoy
Do Pakistan thinks India can not absorb 100 M loss due to closure of its air space ?
Press freedom is must in a country.@Fastrack
Indians bullying mindset will never change.
@Maverick, Who is begging to open Airspace ? After all Mavericks are no more.
Keep it shut.
So according to vice versa of "One step two step formula" India need to take two steps now.
So Pakistan will beat losses because Indian fighter planes are placed forward. The idea is to mount International pressure on India to move her fighter planes in her hangers. Good move India will loose $190 million per yr and Pakistan $200-250 million per yr. It is a economical warfare.
keep the airspace close for good. India made a huge mistake to mess with Pakistan. Pakistan strikes six different locations inside India just to show its capabilities, shot down IAF planes in a dog fight, captured their wing commander.. Also as a good will gesture return their captured commander to India.
What has gone unreported is the amount Pakistan is losing due to missing out on fees every airline gives to the country whose airspace they use. A single flight of Boeing 747, for example, gets you richer $600, approx.. So you can imagine the mutual loss the two country is suffering. And it's easy to guess who has the greater power to absorb the blow.
Can India trust Pakistan,the answer id "No",therefore The Indian Air Defenses must remain,
@Byju, & you continue in the dark, damp cave of your nightmare. Enjoy.
Penny wise pound foolish as usual. Once India officially stops doing business with entities that do business in Pakistan and stops allowing people with the green visa and passport into Indiathis (including Chinese businesses), and closing the embassy/consulates we will see real isolation.
@Fastrack, You are right, all the sarcasm proves!
If Pakistan does NOT open the airspace India should escalate tension by launching Fighter Planes upto Indo-Pak Border every day and get them back just before crossing the border. Pakistan will be forced to activate their Fighter Planes spending MILLIONS of Dollars which Pakistan can ill afford at this difficult economic times.
Keep it closed. Both India and Pakistan suffered losses upto $100 million. Impact on Pakistan is more due to smaller economy size
We should forget this route and move on. We shouldn't compromise with this blackmailing tactics about our national security where to place our fighter plan.
For those that claimed a few trees were the only thing that fell, Pakistan's giddiness, 4 months after the strikes conveys all that needs to be conveyed. I was skeptical at the beginning on the effectiveness of the strikes but Pakistan's response immediately after & since has established it with great certainty on the losses inflicted on strategic assets.
they want our airspace open so they can attack our trees and make our billion trees tsunami scheme to become unsuccessful. WoW.
@jssidhoo , we hit where it hurt the most, but a punch, hand also soar so we dont care
@Fastrack, if pak not open, no issue, in coming few years baluchistan & sindh will allow us to fly as an independent nations
Just think finally India force to stop water what you Pakistan will do? Any one answer? Think wisely not emotionally.
Pakistan also losing $700 per flight. This fact is hidden from general Pakistani public.
You close air space Modi will close dam gates. Equal equation.. it's comming... Just one more year. Work going on..
@Indian, - actually India is getting extra dollar due to closure of Pakistani airspace as planes are flying through India so India get overflying fees.
@Fastrack, In the modern era we just don't fight with fighter jets alone. We fight with international diplomacy, water treaties, economic sanctions and by forcing you to make dumb choices. History of USSR shows that forcing economic mismanagement is the cleanest way to bring down even a giant. With the current debt situation and a grim future, how long do you think Pakistan got before people start revolting?
@Fastrack, In the modern era we just don't fight with fighter jets alone. We fight with international diplomacy, water treaties, economic sanctions and by forcing you to make dumb choices. History of USSR shows that forcing economic mismanagement is the cleanest way to bring down even a giant. With the current debt situation and a grim future, how long do you think Pakistan got before people start revolting?
@Byju, does not accepting reality make you happy?
@Bhaijan, As mentioned in parliament, Air India loses have risen by 13 lakh per day due to Pak airspace closure. This amounts to USD 6.93 million per year. Further people flying in and out if Delhi to western destinations have the inconvenience of slightly longer flights.
India wants to avoid needless expense and inconvenience and requested for lifting air closure on reciprocal basis. But it will not allow Pak to use this as a bargaining chip in India’s national security.
@Ravindran Achuthan, I appreciate your courage to deny reality.
@Fastrack, India never learn before, its a great chance to improvement.
@The Gentleman Indian, Dont worry, this time we will make tea in bulk!
@Byju, Learn to face reality, otherwise you all will be stuck in your false world and nothing will change for you. Good you come to learn here.
@Byju, first u wake up frm slumber mate, ask those ppl who travel how painful it has become fr them. paying extra fare, less baggae allowance and longer flight times. not gd at all.
@The Gentleman Indian, Indian airforce can only do job in Bollywoood not in real world. We are tired of sending 'Abhinandhans' back, after free stylish suit, free meals and of course " Tea is faantustik".
@Faraz, well said, agree 100%.
@Bhaijan, Afghan transit trade was dependent on IOK resolution.
Just see what Pak losing.
Airlines pay a fee to fly over other countries. They're called overflight fees. ... Most countries "rent" that airspace to foreign airlines, allowing them to fly through it. Some countries also provide air traffic control services.
@Maverick, Before making ignorant statements based on your government and media lies, check your debt burden, touching $800 billion. India is losing 10 times more and economically in the dumps. That's the reality.
1 USD = 161 PKR and 1 IRS = 2.30 PKR better to keep in mind.
@Zak, 93k is a very huge number. It might be 10% of you population at that time.
Yes, perfect punishment. Good going
@Mubashir, make tea in bulk, like can you make 93000 teas
Due to closer, pakistan is losing $ 100 million - already in trouble, will be more in trouble. Why feel scared of outdated Indian aircrafts when you have F16s? That sounds reality.
@The Gentleman Indian, we are waiting to serve a abhinandan tea
Our airport looks beautiful and pristine from aerial view. Thanks to PMIK
@Ravindran Achuthan, they ll never learn until perish
@The Gentleman Indian, how naive are you??? Pakistan is an independent and strong nation with an army stronger than ever, stop staying in this state of denial.
@The Gentleman Indian, Ask your captains who lost their fighter jets and the result will be same but without the fantastic tea.
@Fastrack, funny where you get your information from. Dreams?
@Faraz, great and you keep on loosing money and reputation. A financially distraught Nation running around with a begging bowl trying to put up a brave face.
At a time when Pakistan needs dollars to cover massive imports, this step is not pragmatic. Revenue earning opportunity is being lost.
They should not Forget, New Delhi Controls water they drink.
How liar is pak authority...Actually nobody approaches him
@The Gentleman Indian, Daydreaming is fun. Keep it up.
is indian airspace open for pakistani airlines??
remember,no air space no water.:)
Lost 3 jets and now exist from WC with disgrace
Still scared it seems.
Relationship should improve
@Fastrack, denial
@Ravindran Achuthan, “Still in dreamworld ???”
Sure. Abhinandan was a dream, although for India it was a bad dream
@Zak, do you know the reason behind sending Our hero Abhinandan back? Within 24 hrs he was back in India. You are not aware of the reason so you are talking like this. If you knew the facts then you would not have said this.
@The Gentleman Indian, Oh really, walk the talk
Good thinking. Keep it up.
@Iqbal hussain, I thought we lost 6 aircraft, you were gracious to say3. If you could get to no 5 in the points table with support from Afghanistan and that is not disgraceful, then we need not. Moreover over, we are satisfied with our teams performance. We ensured to dismember your country, and you don't feel ashamed. Yes, we lost an aircraft, but it demonstrated a paradigm shift in the manner we deal with you- a rogue state. Result being that you have stopped using nuclear blackmail.
Then keep it closed forever and keep loosing on money. Because this is the new normal.
@Fastrack, Howz the weather in La La Land?
@Ravindran Achuthan, i thought Abi nandan must have told u the truth by now,,,,,,, try it again and get surprised again
If India will not de-escalate, Pakistan will also maintain its current position.
@The Gentleman Indian, The Tea Was Fantastic :-D
@Jai Bharat , yes and we will allow it for the independent state of Khalistan.
@Nasir, live in your dreams happily like you do for past 70 years
@Zak, keep living in day dreaming like you do for past 70 years
India should now learn the lesson after losing the World Cup. Don’t be over confident. Because you think you are 5 times bigger and you have got the money doesn’t make us weaker.
Why do indians think they are from outer space? Majority of them are very arrogant and have some serious superiority complex.
@Akram, What was your logic to release him in one day?
@Omar, Abi non done fantastic :-)
No talk no peace. No talk no action. Everything relate to talk for peace.
@ExPak, "Why do indians think they are from outer space? Majority of them are very arrogant and have some serious superiority complex." Its a natural reaction to centuries of being ruled by foreigners. Its infact a deep inferiority complex. If you look at the state of them you will realise they have nothing to feel superior about.
Keep the airspace closed to India. That country cannot be trusted.
Well don't complain when we stop the water ..
@Faraz, I think you are upside down...!!!
@riz1, dear india doesn't do any business with us. And please do try to boycott chinese
@Salute Pakistan, Why do we want feel that Pakistan is weaker? You in fact are weaker to India in all aspects viz. size, military power, economy, international standing, diplomacy, sports.
@akram, It's a feeling of superiority itself that we always had a land which from Alexander to Mughals and Portuguese to British wanted to have. BTW let it remain in past, and tell me do you really think that you guys are actually ruling yourselves right now?
Rafale is on the way. For Rafale it doesn't matter whether airspace open or closed. It will make its own space...!!! We can understand the nightmare PAK army is facing currently. Worst is ahead for PAK Army..!!
good to see Indians burning here in the comments section already, keep begging kids, no airspace for you anymore, the next batch of Abhinandans will not get tea, only public flogging package at flat rate this time...
@akram, A lot to think why we are superior. Only one will be fine: We are not beggars.
@Nasir,
There is no comparison between two. One country can absorb the cost and other country can not. Why Pakistan is demanding moving Indian fighter jets and on what grounds. Why India should take action on Pakistan say so?
why pakistan is so scared. Did pakistan removed fighter jets from its own forward bases? Its an absurd demand from pakistan asking india to remove fighter jets from forward bases. what if pakistan launches air strikes on indian forward bases and if there is no fighter jets then who will defend against the attack? And air space restriction doesn't makes any difference to fighter jets launching an offensive. Air space restriction or not , the fighter jets launches strikes in either cases.
When will PIA recover its lost business to gulf airlines?
@Bhaijan,
A naked nation has obviously nothing to loose.
Air India is feeling the fuel pinch!
@Salute Pakistan, Says a country whose over confident yawning captain dint even make it to semis but said we will make 500 runs against bangladesh enter semis and win world cup.
@Ahmed, boy u continue dreaming about khalistan and kashmiri. Modi will definitely get rid of rougue elements from both states. You will be left with broken Baloch, kp and tea cup and broken dream of khalistan and kashmir
@Zak, at the same time you forgot to mention how much reserve India has? And check how much debt and reserve Pakistan has. Do not just give one sided figs.
Its a good lesson for our neighbours, let them fly the longer routes for at least a year. Loss of aircraft, loss of IAF pride and loss of money is the result of their misadventure. We should not be in hurry we are at peace.
Stupid decision as usual. It is costing Pakistan more than others. Also it affects common man only as Pakistan open airspace for Modi and his team.
Scrap Indus water Treaty. We already given them a lot in charity. Do not release any water..
@The Gentleman Indian,
blinded by arrogance
@Fastrack, lost 3.. wow you people are fed with fantabulous news..
@riz1, you got to be kidding. Do you really live in a fantasy world or what? INDIA is no USA please
It is pakistan right to close its airspace after India hit pakistan so hard and such huge casualty
How many flights from India daily use Pakistani airspace? And how many flights from Pakistan daily use Indian air space? I think we know the answer to this. Due to closure of Pakistan air space Air India is almost out of business the Indian government is selling to any private company for less.
India is winning the airspace war. Costs up to $300k per day in terms of revenue for the CAA.
The incredible strategic importance of Pakistan has finally dawned on the world.Congratulations on the job well done Aviation Secretary Mr.Shahrukh Nusrat for adopting a policy based on realism and not emotionalism.
@Fastrack, But pakistan didn't
@satish, Then it will be a war and in a war no one win's.!
@The Gentleman Indian, And Pakistan will shoot down more of your flying coffins and capture more abhi nandans!
@akram, Its a natural reaction to centuries of being ruled by foreigners. Its infact a deep inferiority complex. If you look at the state of them you will realise they have nothing to feel superior about."
Rich coming from someone who hail their invaders as their heroes. Our history is full of our local heroes. May be your statement applies more to you guys, especially after the forceful conversion of your defeated ancestors. Isn't it?
@The Gentleman Indian, The problem of Modi bhakht and indian mentality. Otherwise you will already have learnt the lesson. 3 fighter Jets. One Marshall. You can't match our soldiers yet our homemade war machines and commenting on our news platform. Your whole history is fabricated and presented to you in movies but still you didn't raise questions because you were told lies from your childhood and brainwashed with hatredness. Whole word highlighted your failures. #Peace #PakistanWantsPeace
@Chinpaksaddique, "Our airport looks beautiful and pristine from aerial view. Thanks to PMIK"
With just 3 planes....agree.....less is more. Few months later it will look even more beautiful with flora and fauna on and around them.
@Bhaijan, Yes India has lost lot of money & now asking IMF to bail out ! Its a normal Practice to ask your Govt to open the route money wise you can only dream what India is capable.
@Thinking, Planted agents in Balochistan will be caught one by one by the patriot Balochi's and will get what they deserve.!
India brought to its knees. They are not asking Pakistan to lessen the loss and passengers count BUT the awareness closure of air space raises along the foreigner flyers to mainland India. Any Foreigner traveling to India asks why did they initiate conflict with pacifist Pakistan in the first place. Why drag Pakistan in mainland Indian general election? I guess Pak air space will remain closed to Indian bound flights till next general elections of India so that india dare not repeat their gaffe.
@Zak, Scared to touch a hair on Abhinandan? Gave him tea and a woman escorted him back! This month, Kulbhushan Jadav will be released by the courts. He will come back like Abhi. Wait and watch.
@Nand, You are what you say you are not.!
@The Gentleman Indian,
hahahaha..as you hit F-16 earlier
@Rajesh, From the very top to the very bottom you Indians are so stupid its mind boggling.!
@Byju, then three airplanes India were in the real world, perhaps you need to reassess your criteria of dreams......sweet dreams
@Fastrack, Till date Pakistan Airlines have not been able to resume it's flights for Thailand, Bangladesh and Malaysia. The cost is heavy for Pakistan while for India it is much less and bearable. Loss is for both sides.
Besides Pakistan seeking removal of Aircraft from bases is unreasonable as no force would compromise on it's fighting capability. I think Pakistan should open it for good of all and show to the world their willingness to cooperate with India in mutual interest.
@rama, yes we do with 70% of your population living below the poverty line and 400 million without defecating facilities
It seems Balakot strikes still haunting.
@Zak, Lost in the dreamland as ever.
Pakistan will keep blocking it air space for Indian flights BECAUSE it advertises & highlights India's gaffe to foreigners traveling to India get introduced to Indian mentality even before they step on Indian soil.
@ExPak, Indians are not from outer space. Actually they are very ancient. Ancient enough to be your ancestors.
@Mubashir, Yes but October 2019 you will be left with tea only
Very nice gesture from Pakistan.
It is better for India and Pakistan NOT to have any air traffic; India should endure the financial loss.
@Byju, still in denial.
Ego trumps dollar income for Pakistan. Since Pakistani economy is so strong that money comes last.
@Jai Bharat , Sweet dreams:-)
@Bhaijan, Don't you think it is absurd for Pakistan to demand that India removes fighter jets away from its own bases? Where else would we station our fighter jets, in Pakistan?
@Kadwa Sach, Why the need access to south east?
We don’t need the curse on air space... close it for good. Indians are not allowed to spread their curse( curse only apply to India’s politicians.... Indian people are nice.....No offence to them...
@Byju, ask dear abhinandan
When will Pakistan government takes positive steps to boost its economy ?Feel sorry for the lack of business intention of its government.
What happens if India denies it's airspace for all Pakistan bound flights ?
@The Gentleman Indian, sweetdreams
@Press Freedom, the way godi media got. Nd u ppl on dawn page explains everything
@Bhaijan, Why don't you teach peace lessons to those who send the strategic assets against India? India has right to fight back any cost.
Good move keep airspace closed for now
@Faraz, this is other way around.
Let them close airspace we should close waters which we give them free
Pakistan has complete closure for all flights over its territory going into and out of India, including non-Indian airlines. India has not blocked non-Pakistani carriers from flying to Pakistan. If India does that, Pakistanis will be taking longer routes to and from southeastern countries like Malaysia and Singapore. Indian flights from Delhi are affected the most, but affects on flights from and to Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore is minimal. Let’s see if India can withstand the situation.
@The Gentleman Indian, Fantasies can be self destructive also
What India does on its territory it is its own business.
@Santosh , you can't simple answer
As if anyone cares... you can keep it all to yourself.
Good. Keep it closed.
@Justin, which flights?
It should remain closed for few years at least. You don't cross international border and get away with it.
Good gesture by Pakistan.Indian foreign reserve increased to 437 b$ today because pakistan posed a huge loss to India by closing their air space.Carry on with your this gesture
India must be made to think a trillion times before even diapatching a pigeon across the border.
All for normalisation of ties but loving Pakistan’s response and handling of attempted bullying.
Closing out routes will indeed save the losses, but that’s not a way to gauge the performance, why were those routes not producing good results? Closing routes is not fixing the problem.
Apprehension of iaf fighter aircraft even in their airfields
No more freebies and good will gestures. Earn it.
@huz, Bangladesh , a better and richer economy is also a figment of imagination
The senior PIA official says that Revenue increased after cost cutting. He must understand that cost cutting leads to profit increase (or later ss decrease) and revenue increase would be due to traffic increase.
Bring PIA to Australia
@HashBrown, Sister, longer routes are safer routes too. We will also learn to bear with the additional cost as well.
@Gordon D Limper, good one
@Ahmed, Stop water which we are sending from 70 years. no freebees. Let purchase it also..
Let Pakistan not open anything, Already this you take one step towards peace and we will take two has been long exposed in the eyes of ordinary Indians. And the ordinary Indians are the only ones who benefit from peace. Imran can rethink.
I am surprised that Indians tout their space program and defense capabilities but do not mention their lack of lack of basic needs like toilets and food. India has more malnourished people than Pakistan’s population and then some. Indians are getting lost in their own lies.
These adventures were all part of modi’ Election campaigns. So sad have situations like this. Everyone must live in peace and harmony.
@Zak,
The same applies to you too.
@Maria, Excellent reply Maria.
Closing air space is a loss to international aviation and the to country that closes it. US charges about 62$/100 miles for each flight. Iran charges more. Pakistan probably looses around $100,000 per flight using her air space. The carrier that are not allowed air space will go through longer route and will cost more.
Pakistan could also generate revenue through oil/gas pipelines from Iran to India and central Asia to India. Another source is toll on land transportation between Afghanistan and India. These are easy revenue sources and do not require large investment.
Good move. Let Indians travel for fun over Iran.
@jssidhoo , We will be rich and will afford it, you are not rich and never will be, so you won't be able to afford it.
@Prateik, Worry about Indian debt of $800 billion and massive trade deficit. Don't try be what you are not. Reality you are extremely poor and you need to stop conflicts and start helping your 90% poor population.
@Ravindran Achuthan, Who Indians?
@NSG, Yes, it's the malafide intention that is at display not the vintage aircraft at the bases.
@Byju, Embrace the truth now, you have to, one day!
Looks like someone is still scared!!
@Maria, Hope Niazi is invited
Keep the airspace closed for the neighboring dreamers.
The closure of the airspace affected nearly 400 flights a day and resulted in nearly a loss of $100 million (Rs 1587 crore) for Islamabad.
forget Pakistan airspace ....give the money instead to china ....overfly shagsam valley and xinjiang to get to Tajikistan .... and from there to anywhere western or central asia or Afghanistan ... never use pakistan airspace ever again ----...it may even be cheaper as india has great economic relations with china
Great News
@Hamid, business are you serious what kind of business do you have to offer except towels to US.. btw how much is your current export..
How about India abrogating IWT in retaliation!
please keep airspace closed, india will develop northern route via china airspace into Tajikistan and thereby completely avoid Pakistan air space .... india economic relations with those two are pretty good enough to achieve the desired results
India told where they can go and rightfully so.
@Faraz, Good joke that. Which is the country under FATF action? Not India for sure!
@Honest, We Pakistani's are only afraid of the almighty who created us and will never be scared of Cockroaches.!
@Bharat Dave, We can punch way above our weight so don't get carried away by the size of your impoverished and over populated country.!!
@Kadwa Sach, We not to much flights in the east or south east. Most of the flight goes toward western side. Your airspace closure has negligible inpact on us. But we can hear your cry :)
Yes that should show india how powerful pakistan air is.
@Fastrack, you sure live in a delirious world of your own. Pakistan had no chouce but to release the Indian pilot. Anything else would have meant the wrath of India and the US armies raining on your poor nation. Imran khan acted very wisely.
@Salute Pakistan, yes it does
Not only de-escalate but also apologize and then Pakistan should start to review their behavior for couple of years to make sure that they are doing what they supposed to do
@Ahmed, "No more freebies and good will gestures."
It was proposed as a reciprocal gesture by India not a freebie. Anyway now everyone knows that Imran was not sincere where he said, if you take one step we will take two.
@SSS, "yes we do with 70% of your population living below the poverty line and 400 million without defecating facilities"
Outdated figures.
Pl keep the air space closed. Pl notice that Pakistan lies only north of Gujarat and west of states like Punjab and Rajasthan. India is well connected to east, south, US, mideast etc., without need to cross Pakistan airspace. Add current agreement with China and Pakistan factor does not mean much. But sure this will increase Pakistan happiness index. Win win for all.
@Ravindran Achuthan, very true bankrupt yet they think they are something .
All these Indians on this website shows that they are getting hurt badly. Why would they be saying things on this news to pakistani audience unless they have been hurt and want to share their frustration.
Indian aviation minister has officially mentioned 491 Crore losses to Indian airlines. Pakistani airlines impact of this closure is 2 South asian flights. While India is suffering loss of tourism in peak season as Air India prices have doubled. Google London to New Delhi price.
@Fastrack, brought france, Europe, and USA on negotiation table to buy words most capable and expensive planes. approved Lockheed martin , avionics manufacturing in Chennai. GROW UP
India's request is not for military airspace I think.
Let us keep it that way. Remember, we take pride in our country and we can bear the consequences.
If things continue , India may ban H2O !
@Shaan ,
Looks like you do not know anything about this subject. Our space capabilities are earning lots of money for us. We are using that money to build toilets and other things. Do some research about the programs run by Indian govt, which will surprise you. You will start wishing that your govt may do the same.
@Fastrack, well that's not strictly true. Indians did hit a dozen trees and killed a crow as well ☺️
Airspace closer is hurting India now
@Faraz, yes same govt begging multiple times fr dialogue as well isn't???
It’s about time our once elegant and internationally renowned national airline is now finally being managed by a PAF Air Marshal. PIA was abused and flagrantly misused by former so-called leaders and their unqualified minions. It’s heartening to see that steps are being taken to make PIA successful again!
It’s also of vital importance that India not call the shots when it comes to Pakistan’s security and self-preservation. Kudos to IK govt in giving India a taste of his own medicine!
ALL this just for some trees ?
@Indie Guy, India should also stop all airlines coming from east going to Pakistan . Lets see how many days can they sustain.
Never open our airspace for Indians
@Ravindran Achuthan, Look who is talking
@The Gentleman Indian, Should we laugh
@Moksha, Lost what? East Pakistan? That still haunts you Indians? It was a civil war that Pakistan lost long before Indian invasion. In realty thousand years of history haunts your minds.
Let the Indians gloat over their losses. Let us hold on until they come to their senses.
Close all talks and air space for the each others.
Do you guys know that some transit route has been kept open in Pakistan Air corridor and certain airlines including Air India is using it. Pakistan too scared loosing precious foreign exchange. The big talk by ministers is only to fool the people and keep them distracted from real problems facing the country. If you don't believe check latest air route details. Only India originating flights going west and north west are debarred not those flights in transit.
Good decision by Pakistan, India should first learn to understand the benefits of peace.
Beautiful Airport! Inshallah one day it will be in India.
Don't know why the powers that be think its a great idea to have a retired air force general as CEO of national airline. Is it because he was a pilot ?
@jamil Ahmed,
And before the thousand four hundred years history, all of us followed one path.
Only 6 aero bridges at Karachi airport ??? BTW, if you do not open air space , you will keep bleeding economically
Stop water to pakistan...stop visa
AL-Hind had good economy, Pakistan should cooperate to benefit in future by removing all hurdles.
Honestly, I prefer swimming over sea rather than flying Pakistan's airspace.
These kind of issues is best solved with diplomacy. Have a public debate only makes matter worse. When we would learn?