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Troubled waters: India fast-tracks hydro projects in held Kashmir

Published Mar 16, 2017 01:53pm


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Excavators are used to dig earth at the dam site of Kishanganga power project in Gurez, 160 km (99 miles) north of Srinagar. — Reuters
Excavators are used to dig earth at the dam site of Kishanganga power project in Gurez, 160 km (99 miles) north of Srinagar. — Reuters

India has fast-tracked hydropower projects worth $15 billion in India-held Kashmir in recent months, three federal and state officials said, ignoring warnings from Islamabad that power stations on rivers flowing into Pakistan will disrupt water supplies.

The swift approval of projects that had languished for years came after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi suggested last year that sharing the waterways could be conditional on Pakistan clamping down on anti-India militants that New Delhi says it shelters.

Pakistan has opposed some of these projects before, saying they violate a World Bank-mediated treaty on the sharing of the Indus river and its tributaries upon which 80pc of its irrigated agriculture depends.

The schemes, the largest of which is the 1,856-megawatt (MW) Sawalkote plant, will take years to complete, but their approval could prove a flashpoint between the nuclear-armed neighbors at a time when relations are at a low ebb.

"I say the way you look at these projects, it is not purely a hydro project. Broaden it to a strategic water management, border management problem, and then you put in money," said Pradeep Kumar Pujari, a top ranking official in India's power ministry.

Pakistan denies any involvement in the 28-year armed insurgency in held Kashmir and has repeatedly urged New Delhi to hold talks to decide the future of the region.

Foreign ministry spokesman Nafees Zakaria said he would confer with the Ministry of Water and Power on the proposed Indian projects, saying it was a technical matter.

He noted, however, that India would be attending a regular meeting of the Indus Commission later this month in Lahore, even though the broader peace dialogue was on hold.

"It seems that finally India has realised the importance of this mechanism under the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) for resolving water disputes related to the Indus water and its tributaries."

Triple power

Six hydro projects in India-held Kashmir either cleared viability tests or the more advanced environment and forest expert approvals in the last three months, two officials in India's Water Resources Ministry and the Central Electricity Authority said separately.

Together these projects on the Chenab river, a tributary of the Indus, would triple hydropower generation in Jammu and Kashmir from the current level of 3,000MW, the biggest jump in decades, added the officials, declining to be named because the approvals had not yet been made public.

"We have developed barely one-sixth of the hydropower capacity potential in the state in the last 50 years," the senior official at the Indian Water Resources Ministry said.

"Then one fine morning, you see we cleared six to seven projects in three months; it definitely raises concern in Pakistan."

Pakistan's water supply is dwindling because of climate change, outdated farming techniques and a fast-growing population.

A 2011 report by the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations said New Delhi could use these projects as a way to control Pakistan's supplies from the Indus, seen as its jugular vein.

"The cumulative effect of these projects could give India the ability to store enough water to limit the supply to Pakistan at crucial moments in the growing season," it said.

India says the projects are "run-of-the-river" schemes that use the river's flow and elevation to generate electricity rather than large reservoirs, and do not contravene the treaty.

Environmental groups have questioned whether the government has followed proper procedures in fast-tracking projects located in a highly seismic area.

'Blood and water'

Modi told a meeting of government officials on the Indus treaty last year that "blood and water cannot flow together", soon after India blamed Pakistan-based militants for a deadly attack on its troops in held Kashmir.

Modi's message was two-fold, Indian foreign ministry spokesman Gopal Baglay said. Terrorism had to stop and India must fully utilise the economic potential available to it within the Indus treaty.

The projects that have won technical approvals in recent months are Sawalkote, Kwar, Pakal Dul, Bursar and Kirthai I and II.

Most of the projects have been held up for at least a decade awaiting multiple clearances. Sawalkote, which was cleared by a government-constituted environment committee in January, was first given techno-economic approval in 1991.

It is now up for forest clearance from the state authorities, after which the Indian government will finalize financing and begin construction.

Some projects like Pakal Dul were stuck in litigation, but that has been resolved, India-held Kashmir's Power Minister Nirmal Singh told Reuters in Srinagar. "Things are now in a position of take-off," he said.

In January, India's senior federal officials made a presentation on energy security to Modi in which they proposed interest subsidies and long-term loans for hydro projects above 100MW, according to the document seen by Reuters.

But Himanshu Thakkar, coordinator of South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers & People, said some projects had been cleared without impact assessment studies and public consultation.

"It's on one river, the Chenab, where you are doing so many projects. This is a very vulnerable region. It's landslide-prone, it's flash flood-prone, earthquake-prone," Thakkar said.


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Hawkins Mar 16, 2017 01:58pm

China's move to block a tributary of the Brahmaputra coincides with India`s violation of Indus Water Treaty.

Samir,India Mar 16, 2017 01:58pm

India will do anything and everything within its right.

Saif Zulfiqar Mar 16, 2017 02:09pm

Very cheap tactics by India to pressurise Pakistan. But Pakistan is pressure proof.

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 02:09pm

modi knows how precious water is ,cant afford to waste it, 15 billion dollars well spent!

Raja Mar 16, 2017 02:12pm

@Saif Zulfiqar lets see after the construction of these dams are finished......

Desi Dimag Mar 16, 2017 02:08pm

Go ahead India, get your share legally.

PRO Mar 16, 2017 02:12pm

So we will reclaim India-held Kashmir developed with dams.

Aaks Mar 16, 2017 02:09pm

Great work Indian Government.

Haseeb Khan Mar 16, 2017 02:09pm

Indian government is now officially using dams as a tool to hurt Pakistan economically. This makes these dams as a tool of war, which makes these tools as a legitimate target. Modern dams and reservoirs are managed in two ways which are not mutually exclusive: 1. Through physical means, 2. Through modern communications. Pakistan as a state and as a nation must explore neutralizing these newly built Indian dams by all means possible.

Haseeb Khan Mar 16, 2017 02:13pm

@Samir,India And Pakistan reserve the right to respond.

south Asia Mar 16, 2017 02:10pm

What is the problem if India decides to use its share of water? Why should India remain water starved despite having rivers?

Ali Mar 16, 2017 02:13pm


Then stop boasting about bogus PEACE Offers and rhetoric "" India wants peace with Pakistan "". India has always tried to and will in future disrupt the peace process with Pakistan. Actions speak louder than words

naqeeb Mar 16, 2017 02:17pm

Live and let others live!

Sonu Mar 16, 2017 02:18pm

If China will block water then Bangladesh will suffer. India is making dams under Indus treaty.

Akram Mar 16, 2017 02:18pm

how can you build a water project without an impact assessment study? Are the decision makers completely illiterate?

that is like building a house on hand and then watching it sink into the sand. Sound like politics is intruding into sound decision making.

Akram Mar 16, 2017 02:19pm

@Samir,India And Pakistan will reply to India in the same manner.

Have you learned nothing from the last 70 years?

majnoo Mar 16, 2017 02:20pm

India knows to tackle the Brahmaputra river, which China plans to built a damn arising from Tibet,

Abdul Rehman Mar 16, 2017 02:22pm

Well done India. Great big projects are being undertaken on a war footing thought India. It is fine as long as Pakistan gets its 80% share.

MUMBAI MAN Mar 16, 2017 02:23pm

Modi is continuously upping the ante with Pakistan and China, it remains to be seen how strong he is when blow back pressure is applied on India

splash Mar 16, 2017 02:25pm

@Hawkins if china blocks Brahmaputra then only some part of water ll be stopped bcz there are more tributary of this river in india and it ll affect a small area of india but will affect Bangladesh badly too. But in pakistan's case it ll be huge impact.

Azmeen Mar 16, 2017 02:21pm

What Govt Of Pak is doing in this regard. India agreed to talk on water issue with Pak to buy time as they did before.

rdm Mar 16, 2017 02:26pm

Mr Modi is decisive & he will do everything in his command to protect the national interest of India.

D.K. PAMNANI Mar 16, 2017 02:30pm

India can do whatever India want to do within its share of water. There should be no problem with Pakistan. Instead of wasting water, using it for electricity production.

akber Khan Mar 16, 2017 02:31pm

Subsequent elected pakistani governments have not given this its due attention and sorted this out till its reached this point. They have been busy filling their personal coffers and given this problem only lip service. its still the same story. its total lack of sincerity to resolve issues and only false bravado

last word Mar 16, 2017 02:32pm

Why can't Pakistan abandon its self-destructive foreign policy which is getting it nowhere whether neighbours or US or even at home ?

truth Mar 16, 2017 02:32pm

Smart move! It all started after water wars between Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, Indian states. Nobody thought about it other than the great Modi.

MHS Mar 16, 2017 02:29pm

India is doing what needs to be done for it's people. Question is, where is Pakistan standing with all it's energy requirements, merely criticizing India for building dams in a disputed territory is not going to resolve the issue. We as a people are a greater threat for ourselves and this country, considering the pending issue of kalabagh dam for decades now. Not India but we, ourselves are a hindrance in this foremost National cause.

Indian Mar 16, 2017 02:35pm

@Akram same question is for u too bro...

KT Mar 16, 2017 02:35pm

There should be backup plan to bring water from other countries in Pakistan.

Why wait till scarcity of water is induced ?

McChrist Mar 16, 2017 02:31pm

Rather then raising concerns pakistan should construct similar kind of hydro projects in their country.

McChrist Mar 16, 2017 02:31pm

Rather then raising concerns pakistan should construct similar kind of hydro projects in their country.

TEJA Mar 16, 2017 02:37pm

@saudagar : Modi is doing everything for its people.

Sana Mar 16, 2017 02:38pm

@Ali we are using our share of water what's wrong with that

Sana Mar 16, 2017 02:39pm

@Haseeb Khan no dams are mentioned we are using our share what's wrong with that

Hyderabadi Mar 16, 2017 02:38pm

Great move y Mr. Modi. Next step will be to build a dam on Kabul river for our allies in Afghanistan.

Brahmaputra river also flows through Bhutan and Bangladesh, China will hardly want to antagonize this two countries and make them Pro-India or Anti-China.

Rest of the rivers collect major waters in India and not China.

raja hindustani Mar 16, 2017 02:40pm

@Haseeb Khan : These are run of the river hydro-power projects which is solely meant to produce electricity; not to store water for irrigation or other purpose. So, there is NO dam is being built.

N.S Mar 16, 2017 02:44pm

As these projects are run of the river, suppose to used for power generation only and not as water reservoir...but India and part of Kashmir/Indian Punjab and lower states and most of India is not power deficient... the idea is to stop the flow of water to Pakistan and use water as a war tool...than to actually benefit by getting water.

And the idea is to cause damage to Pakistan vis a vis agriculture and control water supply than to benefit here is to to inflict damage on Pakistan. but if you look at the maps...Indus originates from China...

Kiran Mar 16, 2017 02:45pm

It's surprising that people have objection even when India decides to use it's own share! Pakistan can use it's share! why to jump guns without even knowing exactly what is the truth! Both the countries should stop looking at everything with a negative mindset!

ali Mar 16, 2017 02:47pm

@Akram do u think india is dumb..... india is working on the dam as per legal clauses of the world bank treaty with Pakistan... exactly we are using the water which belongs to india legally and as per the treaty signed by both parties , why don't pak go the court ....

Haseeb Khan Mar 16, 2017 02:47pm

@raja hindustani "The cumulative effect of these projects could give India the ability to store enough water to limit the supply to Pakistan at crucial moments in the growing season," Are you going to store this water in buckets?

last word Mar 16, 2017 02:49pm

This project is solely dedicated to needs of people in Kashmir who are facing serious electricity shortage.

xtra Mar 16, 2017 02:54pm

If India is doing anything which violates the international law then Pakistan is free to go to any court in the world and seek justice. The problem is India is doing what is within its rights and it doesn't violate any international law. Till now it was India's generousness which allowed Pakistan to receive more water than its share and still Pakistan blamed India for it's water woes.

amir_indian Mar 16, 2017 02:54pm

@Akram These are run of the river hydro-power projects which is solely meant to produce electricity; not to store water for irrigation or other purpose. So, there is NO dam is being built. you need to update your study.

maverik Mar 16, 2017 02:54pm

A cheap tactic that will backfire on India. Delusions can't be translated into reality. Pakistan won't sit quiet and watch the show from sidelines.

Zakir hussain Mar 16, 2017 02:58pm

@Hawkins please have a look at Brahmaputra river on Atlas. It will clear ur doubts

south Asia Mar 16, 2017 02:59pm

@maverik They are already sitting and watching as the dam is being built at high speed ..

AdNan 2 Mar 16, 2017 03:05pm

@Hyderabadi That mean India do not want peace. India want war. If India block water, Pakistan will response.

Komal S Mar 16, 2017 03:05pm

This is not anti-pakistan decision. India has adhered to Indus treaty at the trying of times with Pakistan. India is finally doing things that it should have been doing.

Ishfaq Ahmed Mar 16, 2017 03:06pm

India is investing $15 billion on the land which is not part of India.Furthermore, India or any other state has no right as per International Treaty to block water of any country,therefore, this will be not only failed project but also a fatal for Indian economy.

Jaffery Mar 16, 2017 03:07pm

Pakistan must now start building Kalabagh Dam

BE SINCERE Mar 16, 2017 03:05pm

When both India and Pakistan are allowing most of the water in all their rivers going waste into sea, being unable to store and utilize water, what is the meaning in fighting for water:))

JA-Australia Mar 16, 2017 03:20pm

Pakistan has been lucky and coasting along with incompetent leaders for 70 years, but India has shifted into high gear.

Can Pakistan keep up?

Not with the Zardari-Sharif combo. Not a chance. In 20 years, there will be no comparison between India and Pakistan.

zak Mar 16, 2017 03:20pm

@Samir,India Kashmir is not within its right, its a different nation pending UN plebiscite. India is digging a hole for its own unraveling and the spark will be IOK,

zak Mar 16, 2017 03:22pm

@saudagar But the poor in India starve.

zak Mar 16, 2017 03:23pm

Pakistan should have a two fold strategy, first take it to the WB for mediation and second to push for the UN Kashmir plebiscite. Last but not least, actively support the freedom fighters of Kashmir in IOK and let them wrench their country back from the invader and occupier.

SHIVA Mar 16, 2017 03:26pm

@Haseeb Khan India is already building storage / divertion units in and around all the dams.

rama Mar 16, 2017 03:25pm

@Haseeb Khan

If Dams are legitimate target then Pakistan also couple of dams to target

bryan Mar 16, 2017 03:24pm

@Ishfaq Ahmed I think a re look at the law will enlighten you that no treaties are being violated. As per the rule book India is well within its rights.

Read the full treaty and also take a look at the course of the river. Now compare it with the spots where the dams are being proposed. There is no violation of any sorts. If the matter is taken to any court it wont stand. So why should Pakistan be worried.

Taimoor khan Mar 16, 2017 03:29pm

Talks will not yield anything, its the matter of life and death to Pakistan, specially to our food basket which is Punjab, where all these river flow. Its time for kinetic actions to stop these projects.

Pk Mar 16, 2017 03:26pm

@zak that is what u think. Please come to India and feel the vibe of fastest growing self sufficient economy in the world.

Namo Mar 16, 2017 03:30pm

@Hawkins we will do what is within our rights whether you like it or not.

mark sebastin Mar 16, 2017 03:30pm

we have all right to do , chinese did in brahmaputra , so lets follow the same rules . we fully stand with our powerful PM ..

Human first Mar 16, 2017 03:31pm

@Saif Zulfiqar It does not matter if Pakistan is prssure proof or not. What matters is fact & figures. And fact is that it was India who was giving more than committed water to Pakistan as this was surplus with India. Now Since India is building dams to overcome power shortage so India is using its rightful share of water. Means now bit less water will be released to Pakistan and still it will be more than Pakistans actual share. Hope this is clear to lets not make it more sensitive issue.

kk Mar 16, 2017 03:32pm

@N.S indus originates from tibet

kk Mar 16, 2017 03:33pm

@AdNan 2 how?

imdadali Mar 16, 2017 03:34pm

this is clear violation of indus water treaty by indian by establishing 6 hydro power projects in indian held kashmir, matter may be taken up with international quarters so that dreadful act of indian could be displayed before UN.

Namo Mar 16, 2017 03:35pm

@Hawkins please look at the geography of the river before you make stupid comments.

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 03:36pm

@zak - ZAK for the last time, please read the UN resolution on Kashmir please please will then know who has stopped the plebiscite from happening.

Balakrishnan Mar 16, 2017 03:37pm

It is a strategic decision by Mr. Modi. Mr. Modi is more powerful now, as general public endorsed his development and governing. In the UP elections it is found, majority of Muslims voted for his party. This is the level of acceptance. Because he is not corrupt, but very sincere.

raja hindustani Mar 16, 2017 03:42pm

@Haseeb Khan : Bro, please research how 'run of the river' project works. Ofcourse there would be some storage of water so that turbine gets constant water flow but these reservoir would be not of big capacity which can impact flow of river on downstream. Please remember, India is entitle to use 20% of water from these river. Currently we are not even using 2% of waters from these rivers. Rest assure, India will use water as per IWT. Please don't fall into any propaganda. 80% of water is more than enough for Pakistan if it uses judiciously.

N.S Mar 16, 2017 03:43pm

@kk And Tibet is under China control. Just to add rivers on mountainous regions and where there are glaciers and snow fall doesn't works like a pipe attached to a tap with equal flow of water throughout.

Indus starts as a barely few feet wide river in Tibet, China, than as it runs across Indian Ladakh Kashmir adds a few more feet, than it enters GB Pakistan and here it adds more glacial water and the flow increases.

So even if India tries to stop the flow there would be water in the Indus vis-a-vis glacial water in GB region and upwards in the course of the river. This is not possible in rivers across the plains to that extent.

Also few people knew as much amount of water flows beneath the river in sand beds and underground as on surface, the reason for ground water. Unlikely to stop the is more about actions/gestures/ill will than actually about using it to benefit India.

raja hindustani Mar 16, 2017 03:39pm

@dynaimte : Zak can solve whole world problem with 2 word - Plebiscite & CPEC. :)

viki bhai Mar 16, 2017 03:39pm

Dam are very important for Jammu and kashmir development.

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 03:47pm

With the new found Indian Muslim's support, Modi will now perform still more better. Now watch his Himalayan performance:))

Pakistan lovely Mar 16, 2017 03:44pm

@Samir,India Pakistan will support Kashmiris by every mean and by every way.

Brahmdgh Mar 16, 2017 03:46pm

So called "india" is killing the actual Indus.

karar Mar 16, 2017 03:51pm

Stop blaming Modi for this, he warned well advance of his conduct. Now it seems like Pakistan govt is more interested in technical aspects of IWT than the real theater of water security.

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 03:52pm

@zak ,yes poor in india do starve but modi has launched dozens of schemes for them ,and they are showing results antyoday ,free meals ,etc even karnataka gov yesterday launched inr 5 breakfast treat. every govt is SHAKEN up by modi , compeling to compete !

aleem Mar 16, 2017 03:54pm

These things can be solved with mutual consultations but Indians want to hurt pakistan economically and will do what they can to harm Pakistan. Sad but true and this does not bode well for peace as Pakistan will respond in kind and vicious circle will go on for centuries. These bullying tactics have never worked in the past and will never work in future.

aleem Mar 16, 2017 03:51pm

@truth Only evil people think about using water as a weapon that is why nobody thought about this before Modi. Hope it clears the confusion in your mind.

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 03:58pm

With Muslims joining hands with Hindus, in their support to Modi, India has become unshakable.

Tan Mar 16, 2017 04:00pm

@ZAK UN plebiscite states that it will not interfere in Kashmir after the Shimla treaty in 1972 where it was mentioned it will be solved bilaterally.

Pakistani Mar 16, 2017 03:57pm

India has never reconciled to Pakistan's creation.

It is hell bent on its destruction.

Pakistan faces the same issues regarding water security that Israel did.

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 04:01pm

@Tan , Do you mean to say UNO has no role to play?

Sonny afridi Mar 16, 2017 04:14pm

Pakistan needs dams. As for India they should be reminded that China can try similar things so don't strong arm Pakistan

Sheikh Sahib Mar 16, 2017 04:11pm

Very happy to hear that modi won because the speed with which he is taking down india is awesome. India is now no more fastest growing economy, lives of muslims and others minorities have become a hell, making mad investment in defence which will surely effect the economy growth. happy to see india is moving backward :)

Akil Akhtar Mar 16, 2017 04:16pm

India is now aggressively doing everything to destroy Pakistan...

Akil Akhtar Mar 16, 2017 04:13pm

India is committing water terrorism against Pakistan

Osman Mar 16, 2017 04:19pm

The only solution is a clean government in Pakistan that can rally our resources against any external nefarious designs.

Sheikh Sahib Mar 16, 2017 04:16pm

The issue of kashmir which had became dead in last decade is now alive with full power, credit goes to modi. Modi is now inclining towards america which is another good thing for pakistan as everyone knows america is no ones friend,

D.K. PAMNANI Mar 16, 2017 04:23pm

Unnecessary and Unwanted hurdle by Pakistan

Indian4RMBLORE Mar 16, 2017 04:23pm

@zak pls do it, wat u have said. We all indians r supporting these projects for our state kashmir. We r sure that ind wil not stop water to pak,but same we wil utilize our share as well as more if needed.

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 04:26pm

However one may try to disturb, India is unshakable. Instead of wasting energy in protest and mischief, it is better to seek its friendship, because only love can solve any problem:))))))))))))))

Atticus from india Mar 16, 2017 04:27pm

It's surprising how many Pakistanis believe that India's dam projects are aimed at hurting Pakistan. We have our problems of electricity shortage and water for irrigation. We build dams across India to solve these issues. If India's share of water utilisation goes up from current 2%, Pakistan has nothing to worry about. Their 80% share should remain safe.

Kalpa Mar 16, 2017 04:23pm

@Sheikh Sahib yes you people dream. MODIS men replied in the in today. Congress ex fin minister is teliing India can reach 8% GDP this time.

Yash Mar 16, 2017 04:29pm

@Taimoor khan . Please define which Kinetic action Pakistan can take?

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 04:31pm

India is building dams for the benefit of Kashmiri people. Why should Pakistan be unhappy,

kevin Mar 16, 2017 04:34pm

@Sheikh Sahib I am a minority Christain and we are more happy now. We can absorb all the defense and other spending without any negative growth.

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 04:34pm

Save river water from going waste into Sea by building more and more dams. Water is precious.:))

observer Mar 16, 2017 04:37pm

Pakistan should not have any concerns so long as it gets quantity of water due as per IWT. I would be more concerned about the environment.

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 04:38pm

Do not waste precious river water; Utilize it properly by building more and more dams, instead of allowing it to go waste into Sea.

Indian4RMBLORE Mar 16, 2017 04:39pm

@zak ww e working hard to bring people from where they can have minimum facilities, we will achieve it.

R.s. Menon Mar 16, 2017 04:37pm

For those who speak of peace, I may state that there would not be peace between Ind and Pak. There could be peace between Indians and Pakistanis.

R.S. Menon, Bangalore

SHIVA Mar 16, 2017 04:44pm

@Sheikh Sahib Totally irrelevant statement.

HARIT Mar 16, 2017 04:45pm

@imdadali Please go ahead and good luck.

south Asia Mar 16, 2017 04:46pm

@Sheikh Sahib India deals with USA and China on its own terms. It does not lay red carpets for anything they offer. The CPEC/OBOR thing was offered to India too, but was not approved by India fully and was only allowed in one state on a very small scale. Reason being that China was not investing rather it was lending. India instead demanded investments from China and BOOM! $100 billion in investment to India from China.

SAT Mar 16, 2017 04:44pm

@Samir,India India should do anything and everything within its rights.

India Mar 16, 2017 04:49pm

The IWT Treaty done by world bank has given 20% of Indus water to India and India is not even using 2% of it. .... So pak must have no reason to complain as long as India uses only its share of 20% share and Pak get their 80%. ............ Every year INDUS FLOODS many parts of Pakistan and if part of that FLOOD WATER is held back by India and released in the DRY MONTHS after using it for generating power, it will benefit pakistan too.

zak Mar 16, 2017 04:54pm

@Pk How is the vibe in the fastest growing debt , now at $550 bn., annual trade deficit $ 155bn. You are living on borrowed money. Your media has brain washed you all into a tragic corner. and a false sense of comfort.

AHA Mar 16, 2017 04:54pm

The question, Is Pakistan utilizing it's share of water? Why oppose India using it's share?

zak Mar 16, 2017 04:55pm

@dynaimte How many times do I have to educate you all. There are 21 clauses in the UN Kashmir resolution of the UN security council. 2 of them apply to Pakistan, 2 to both India and Pakistan and 17 to India alone. Pakistan has fulfilled both its demands and India has not fulfilled even one. Read and understand than come with a sincere heart and mind to resolve an injustice of history where one nation was given the choice of choosing its destiny but has been stopped by a foreign invader and occupier. Those who look for silly excuses based on faulty knowledge, fed by your government and media, will never know the truth, if they did, they would be the first ones asking for the plebiscite.

south Asia Mar 16, 2017 05:01pm

@zak Nothing compared to India's GDP and Income of $1.7 trillion. Might be a huge amount for Pakistan, we can understand.

zak Mar 16, 2017 05:00pm

@south Asia Thats why India is being sidelined and becoming irrelevant in south Asia and the world.

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 05:03pm

@Samir,India: Yes, India will do anything and everything within its right, even if it has to fabricate the rights by might.

Iftikhar Husain Mar 16, 2017 05:03pm

These projects will take years to complete Mr Modi may not be living who will rule Pakistan the Chinese role is also important we have to wait and see.

zak Mar 16, 2017 05:03pm

@India Then your government has not told you, how they are breaching the Indus water treaty, hence the haste in project completion before WB gets involved. Stealing water is the lowest form of a nations character. And India gets that number 1 slot, again.

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 05:06pm

@south Asia: Your worry is correct on paper only untill you go through the relevant facts in records. When India signed an agreement 56 years back and even paid a huge price for getting water of 3 rivers, it ceases to have any right on the Pakistani shares of water.

lotec Mar 16, 2017 05:07pm

@Samir,India And Pakistan will do everything and anything within its right to defend its natural right of the water which has been flowing to our region for thousands of year. Just bear that in mind.

Sunil Varma Mar 16, 2017 05:03pm

@zak ...Plebiscite has been removed from the charter of the UNO a few years back as neither Pakistan nor India agreed to the terms set by the UNO.

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 05:08pm

@saudagar: Modi only knows how much water to boil for making a cup of tea. Water politics is not his cup of tea.

Jawad U Rahman Mar 16, 2017 05:04pm

If tbis is not terrorism, what is?

zak Mar 16, 2017 05:09pm

@raja hindustani Yes, Plebiscite in Kashmir-will bring peace in Kashmir, Pakistan , India and south Asia region including Afghanistan. CPEC- Pakistan and China will uplift trade and economies for all region and beyond, even for the poor starving Indian's 85% of whom live in slums and on streets. Pakistan can solve it with the two words, but India is stopping both with brutal oppression and occupation in IOK and terrorism against CPEC-remember Gulbushan yadev !

Pakistan the progressive and India the regressive.

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 05:09pm

@Abdul Rehman: It is fine as long as India adds value by constructing development projects in Indian Held Kashmir, which is ultimately bound to come to Pakistan, value added!

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 05:10pm

@Desi Dimag: Modi sarkar knows no legality.

zak Mar 16, 2017 05:12pm

@saudagar Stop being mesmerised by a man of 'Gujarat fame'. Poverty in India is growing and Modi deflects focus on it by having his thugs attack minorities and pointless firing on LOC in IOK. Only the mentally blind dont see.

Sunil Varma Mar 16, 2017 05:14pm

@zak ...Dear Zak if you think back peacefully , India is the victim of conquerors and invaders . It is on account of the Arab invasions over the last 1500 years that most of northern parts of India including Afghanistan and Pakistan were dismembered from the main land India.

lotec Mar 16, 2017 05:10pm

@Desi Dimag you mean stealing water from Pakistan. You people have not accepted Pakistan from your hearts have you.

zak Mar 16, 2017 05:14pm

@Indian4RMBLORE Its not your water, according to UN , Kashmir is pending its final status and India is stealing Kashmiri water. Just see which flags are flown in IOK. Killing and blinding wont suppress the brave nation of Kashmir under foreign Indian occupation.

Rou Mar 16, 2017 05:17pm

That's the reason India is engaging Pakistan into meaning less excercise on the LOC. clever. Isn't it?

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 05:17pm

@M.Saeed Sir ,he has started construction work !

Raja Farhat Abbas Mar 16, 2017 05:15pm

@zak ...brilliant comment based on facts the Indians will find hard to swallow and more likely choke on it.

Ahmed Mar 16, 2017 05:19pm

@south Asia dude .. get your facts straight. The 100bn USD investment was just an oral pledge and later it was reduced to 30bn USD over a period of 5 years

SID Mar 16, 2017 05:19pm

@zak Please go & complain in UN .

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 05:20pm

@MHS: This is the crux of the matter. We fail to understand that, India along with a consortium had paid a huge sum of money in settlement against diverting Ravi Sutlej and Beas rivers, about 57 years back. Indus Basin Replacement Plan had foreseen a progressive development in constructing dams to balance the increasing water needs and there were large water storage dams and link canals foreseen. Kalabagh Dam was one of the link in the chain of dams. Not building Dam at Kalabagh breaks the chain and allows water to waste in sea. So, we have lost the case to India because Water is Life that we waste to sea and India wants to use it to save lives. On both sides, it is humanity living in search, or not, of human rights.

Gaurav Mar 16, 2017 05:21pm

Very less people know that water in brahamputra (assam) is 75% due to rains and only 25% due to water from even if china wants to divert water (which is not possible, i m a geography student and we have detailed study on this) it will not affect india much. We have very good north east monsoon rains there.

Shahryar Shirazi Mar 16, 2017 05:21pm

When Syrians were doing the same at River Jordan in 1966, Israelis attacked the construction site. We should go to war with India and use every weapon we have in our arsenal to put India back in 1947.

SID Mar 16, 2017 05:22pm

@zak Poverty in growing in India. Which survey says that ? WB/IMF/UN everyone says it is decreasing .

Raja Farhat Abbas Mar 16, 2017 05:17pm

@zak ...Hear ,hear.Good reply.

SID Mar 16, 2017 05:22pm

@M.Saeed : Do you remeber South China Sea ??

Joe Mar 16, 2017 05:23pm

@Haseeb Khan Go ahead sir if you can neutralize them. You will know where you stand.

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 05:22pm

@Samir,India , The occupiers have no right to manipulate our resources to avenge the old feud with it neighbours. We are against any water blockage by indian adminstrations on the guidance and authority of New Delhi. You we firmly protest it and request UN to stop indian meddling in our resources stock and vacate our place as quick as possible.

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 05:24pm

@saudagar It is our water and we know how we use it. You and Modi has got nothing to do with it. You better make so make shift barracks for your one million army that are deployed in our land .

Satyameva Jayate Mar 16, 2017 05:25pm

@Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} - Read UNSC Resolution 47 to find out who the occupier is.

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 05:26pm

@south Asia , It is we the citizens of Jammu and kashmir who have shall have discretion as what we do with our resources. You are occupying folks and need to vacate our place as rapid as possible as per UN charter.

SID Mar 16, 2017 05:30pm

@zak : India’s long-term external debt for 2017 is $392,483 million and short-term debt stands at $81,562 million.

Total debt stands at $474.045 billion. ( Source : WB) . For 2016 , it was $485 billion.

Coming to trade deficit , it is expected to remain within range of $100-110 billion for 2017 .

SID Mar 16, 2017 05:31pm

@Shahryar Shirazi Please go ahead .

Shahzaib latif Mar 16, 2017 05:32pm

Don't the movers and shakers in dehli know that these cheap and mean tactics could lead to the destruction of sub-continent. Water is life and playing cards on life could lead to severe damage.

Observer Mar 16, 2017 05:33pm

@zak Let UN talk to India and the answer is ready.

Joe Mar 16, 2017 05:29pm

@zak I must confess that you do come out with original at times.thake this one for example "How is the vibe in the fastest growing debt , now at $550 bn., annual trade deficit $ 155bn. You are living on borrowed money. Your media has brain washed you all into a tragic corner. and a false sense of comfort." Just check this for fact.Can Pakistan pass her annual budget with out grant from USA and other countries. It is one thing to be patriotic and another to look foolish.

Luke Furtado Mar 16, 2017 05:33pm

Pakistan should be happy that India's developing Kashmir with projects such as these....

surAJ Mar 16, 2017 05:33pm

Most of us speaking without details knowledge. 80% of the water was agreed as a Good will. Current scenario is nor Pakistan is well utilizing it 80% without damns and nor India is using 20% well. India is constructing Damns to control the share and to use the water well. Yes if Pak continue to hurt India be sending terrorism, we cannot continue to be send water as good will.
At the same time, nature is everyone. If fair analysis done based on requirement, India will take 69.4 % and rest is Pak. So India might fight for larger share if Pak challenges us with terrorism. If not India continue to use 20% using these dams. No changes in this.

People may cry its a water war. If Pak hurt us, we will hurt back which ever means it is.

M Jamal Mar 16, 2017 05:35pm

Modi is in the suicidal mood for the entire region.He thinks that he will put Pakistan into deep trouble by blocking the natural water course but the consequences will ruin the region and no one will be winner. Live and let others live.

SID Mar 16, 2017 05:33pm

@south Asia Sir India is $2 trillion dollar economy now.

kevin Mar 16, 2017 05:40pm

@zak First India is fast improving and there is no poverty now because of food security act. If poverty is increasing we need to rectify it and for that we need water. We need dams for agriculture and hence making dams in Kashmir and all over India. So why you objects ? You want india should not improve or finish its poverty ?

kevin Mar 16, 2017 05:44pm

@Joe Oh you are big economist. But what is the problem ?

Observer Mar 16, 2017 05:44pm

@zak the resolutions were passed under Chapter VI meaning they are non-enforceable. They were merely advisory in nature to address the situation prevailing at that time. That is what Kofi Annan had said during a visit to Pakistan.

Sachin Mar 16, 2017 05:44pm

Many local kashmiri engineers and workers are part of making these dams. They love this dam. Even in past Kashmiris have resented giving away "Kashmiri" water to Pakistan. India is not violating the IWT. 20% of North west rivers should go to India and India is just using this 20 %. So far was using only 1%

Shahzaib latif Mar 16, 2017 05:50pm

@Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} well said bro. Best wishes from other side of LOC.

rits Mar 16, 2017 05:59pm

@Haseeb Khan You have been getting that water for decades. You should be thankful for that. India didn't really need that much water for irrigation, industrial and domestic use in previous decades, so India allowed excess water to go to Pakistan. But now, India's population and India's needs have risen much higher since the 1960s. Now we need that water. So, the extra benevolence must stop. Otherwise our farmer would suffer. Charity is good when you have extra, not when your own people start suffering

Asif A Shah Mar 16, 2017 06:01pm

The destinies of India and Pakistan are intertwined. I hope this kind of brinkmanship by India does not lead to any catastrophic escalation.

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 06:01pm

@zak sir i feel you are too angry to understand what is fact , the WORK has started ,more coming soon ,what will you do tell us ?un,china, turkey,nobodys helping you, are they ?

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 06:05pm

@kevin , i know how fast you are improving. The poor gets poorest and rich richer. I am in New delhi and know how pathetic situation is with most of the minority as well as the majority poors. Other day when i was in Azad pur, i had to come later night from some visit, i stumbled on the group of people who were sleeping on foot path. Dont show your fake majesty.

Observer Mar 16, 2017 06:03pm

While reading through all comments, I hardly see any sensible comment based on some logic from Pakistani readers. Every one missing critical points: 1) All the infrastructure projects are being speeded up under the current Government. 2) where and by who any violation of IWT by these projects has been established? 4) Even the World Bank tactfully refused to bring India under the hammer as guaranteer of treaty and people advising Pakistan to go to UN ? What will UN do? 5) There is widespread ignorance about contents of UN resolutions on Kashmir and economic statistics of two countries. It is astonishing that in this age that our Pakistani friends do not look at real stats from authentic sources and compare with their own before shooting from the hip. There is distinct difference between quality of comments from two sides.

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 06:06pm

@saudagar That is the irony. We the citizens of kashmir are enough to deal with indian hegemony for our brother in PAK. come to kashmir and taste the reality . you will stop and will hast in comming out from illussion that j& K is your land. We will ensure that pak gets its ample share of water from us since they are we and we are they. You have no jurisdiction on occupied land.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:16pm

@south Asia With a huge debt to go with it. Cash is King and you have none of it, all borrowed. Thats why the glaring pitiable poverty in India

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:18pm

@Observer The difference in comments between two countries is, that one side is arguing on false fed and distorted information fed by an extremist government involved in massacres on minorities, while the other states the reality and truth as it is without the false propaganda. Yet the others come here to learn reality.

Dr. rafiq khan Mar 16, 2017 06:24pm

Another piece of evidence that india is a pariah state, it does not believe in principles or a multilateral treaty like the Indus Waters Treaty. It only believes in might makes right. Time for Pakistan to invest in desalination plants.

SID Mar 16, 2017 06:24pm

India or Pakistan whoever has an hilly area under its jurisdiction should build hydel projects at the earliest. Given our gigantic population and limited resources, we need to save as much water as possible. Still can't understand why Dams like Kalabagh are not being constructed by Pakistan.

Bhaijaan Mar 16, 2017 06:26pm

@amir_indian "So, there is NO dam is being built. you need to update your study." You have to build a dam to be able to harvest electrical power from water. How much power you can get depends on how high is the dam holding back water.

Dr. rafiq khan Mar 16, 2017 06:21pm


So take up your issues with China instead of stealing Pakistani water.

rich Mar 16, 2017 06:26pm

@zak @Indian4RMBLORE Its not your water, according to UN , Kashmir is pending its final status and India is stealing Kashmiri water. Just see which flags are flown in IOK. Killing and blinding wont suppress the brave nation of Kashmir under foreign Indian occupation

so what u are going to do about it?

tibet is also not china, and the water there is tibetian, and indian (bramaputra) china stops our water there we compensate with indus water,

Ekansh Mar 16, 2017 06:28pm

Now this will be very interesting. Especially from Pak point of view.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:25pm

@SID We did and UN was sending a fact finding mission to IOK, but India refused them entry, a world respected body, to hide the killings , oppression, blinding of children.

sudhir Mar 16, 2017 06:30pm

China can't stop water of India because it will also hurt Bangladesh which is strategically very important for China.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:32pm

@saudagar We dont need to run anywhere, we stand our ground, But the Kashmiris will do something, its their water you are stealing. Uri and Pathankot were just a bit of starters. Hero's like Burhan Wani are waiting to take the freedom struggle to its natural conclusive end-freedom and joining Pakista,n as it should have nealty 70 years ago

SP Mar 16, 2017 06:35pm

"Pakistan's water supply is dwindling because of climate change, outdated farming techniques and a fast-growing population"

Why blame India for: 1. Climate change 2. Outdated farming technique, and 3. A fast growing population.

India stated very clearly that it will use all water of its 20% share as per water treaty. The Pakistani Government is making it an emotive issue. God save Pakistanis from incompetent government.

South Asia Mar 16, 2017 06:35pm

@zak please also check Chinese debts...and whatever explanation you have, would apply to India as well. Mind you Apple has moved manufacturing to India and many are following including chinese companies Oppo Vivo etc

Dg Mar 16, 2017 06:35pm


Desalination Plant ? Instead build Dams,reservoirs, stop sippages and provide clean water.

Water Treaty has not prohibited Pakistan to provide clean water to citizens Sir !!

Avtar Mar 16, 2017 06:36pm

@Sonny afridi Stop relying on China for everything. You can construct your own run of the river dams. Why should China or the USA fight for you. A lot of water from Indus goes into the ocean without being used.

N.Sid Mar 16, 2017 06:34pm

@sudhir According to experts, in case India decides to stop Pakistan’s share, China could respond to this act by blocking River Indus and River Brahmaputra as both of them originate from there.

China has not signed international water sharing agreement, so it has no obligation to let the rivers flow.

If China came in Pakistan's support, and diverted the flow of River Indus, India could lose 36 percent of river water. Additionally, China also has the option of stopping the flow of Brahmaputra river into India. The Brahmaputra feeds millions in India and Bangladesh. China is building 11 mega dams on it and is in a position to hurt India's interests.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:40pm

@Tan It seems after 1972 you have not come to the negotiating table...lost the way I presume. Btw shimla agreement was broken when India surreptitiously entered the Siachen heights despite treaty clearly stating, 'no unilateral movement will take place in Kashmir and both parties will adhere to this clause. Educate yourselves as to the truth, then you all will be able to have a higher standard discussion. We wont waste time educating forst, just to be able to explain to you the facts.

DIPAKKUMAR SHETH Mar 16, 2017 06:41pm

put the treaty in garbage.

South Asia Mar 16, 2017 06:42pm

@Ahmed 30 billion additional ovet the already present investment

SCP Mar 16, 2017 06:42pm

@surAJ Well said.

Dg Mar 16, 2017 06:39pm


After 70 years you are still dreaming ! Alarmingly huge trade deficit, looming problem in power sector due to circular debts, heavy dependency on CPEC and help of China in everything including keeping Karachi Clean to managing Stock Exchange ! Brother please wake up and see the realities.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:44pm

@Indian4RMBLORE Dont invade and occupy other nations against their will and dont steal others resources. Thats not the way to live.

Hind Mar 16, 2017 06:41pm

Most of people seem to have been desperate without going through article. There is no violation. India is utilising it's share under IWT.

SCP Mar 16, 2017 06:43pm

Yes that region has high rain fall

DIPAKKUMAR SHETH Mar 16, 2017 06:49pm

truth is that why pakistan should get 80 % water, treaty needs to scrap.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:52pm

@SID Debt is debt even if you take the Indian government doctored ones. International bodies take their own true figures.

rrd Mar 16, 2017 06:54pm

@zak we simply love your ignorence,this is 21 st century india,my servant maid owns colur tv ,washing machine,all her family members earn money,they all own cell phones.

zak Mar 16, 2017 06:57pm

@rich IOK is not India's and nor are the seven sister states in the east-hence the freedom struggle there as well.

Great langoor Mar 16, 2017 07:02pm

India will use UP TO 20%. LEGAL. India isn't China claiming WHOLE South China Sea are their heritage. ILLEGAL.

Manoj Mar 16, 2017 07:02pm

Can anyone comment whether these dams violate Indus water treaty ? My little knowledge says India has rights over 3 and Pakistan 2. Even amongst those 2, India has 20-30% rights of the water and are allowed run-of-the-water projects ... which means it can't divert the water but can utilize it for its purpose. The 70% water will ultimately flow into Pakistan.

Afghan-Pashtun Mar 16, 2017 07:03pm

Afghanistan has no agreements with Pakistan regarding water and has started building dams in its eastern parts while India is building dams to its north. Leaving Pakistan water scarce. Their is an Afghan saying "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

South Asia Mar 16, 2017 07:04pm

@zak that is what i too said ...please check chinese debt and whatever explaination or logic you have applies to Indoa as well

SaidRehman Mar 16, 2017 07:08pm

@KT Yes, true. We should ask for Iran and Afghanistan's sewage water, clean it and release it for drinking purposes.

SaidRehman Mar 16, 2017 07:10pm

@Abdul Rehman Yes, Pakistan will get 80% of whatever India releases. India will make sure some type of water is released if drinking water is not available. Don't worry.

Tariq Mar 16, 2017 07:14pm

Everyone knows these power projects have been started by Modi to pressurize Pakistan for its support to Kashmirees. Pakistan should take it seriously as it is matter of its survival.If China can stop India's water they should do this immediately. Modi is more dangerous than Pakistan thinks. India should also realize that present Kashmir movement is indigenous.

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 07:15pm

@zak Dont invade and occupy other nations against their will and dont steal others resources. Thats not the way to live.

  • Yeah your ancestors (Babur, Muhammad Ghori, Genghis Khan.....) they started it..Modi is just going to finish it now.
dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 07:14pm

@SaidRehman - 1.1 Billion people will together aim and relieve themselves to ensure Pakistan has sufficient water

sahid_kashmiri Mar 16, 2017 07:20pm

India has the right to use 20% share which is just around 8% for now.

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 07:31pm

@zak ,dont you see' SOME 'kashmiris were trying 70 years ,no body bothers , why will any country ever try to against india ,when its 3 largest economy,see south china issue ,every one simmered down ,same here ,still best luck as i respect your genuine try !but take a moment and ask ownself .

NAV Mar 16, 2017 07:39pm

@zak KASHMIRIS - your limited knowledge is evident. The water and the electricity is not just for kashmiris. Its for Jammu & Kashmir. kashmir is not even 1/3 of J&K it belongs to Jammu & Ladakh as well and ofcourse India. When Pakistan couldn't do much with the available water and dams they could build - do you think India will let go of energy that they are spending 15+ billion dollars on. I am from J&K and I know that path of progress is that of India and development if the state is needed. PERIOD.

Prashant Mar 16, 2017 07:50pm

@Saif Zulfiqar yes Pakistan Army is better than even the US Army

SID Mar 16, 2017 07:46pm

@zak Ignorance is bliss. I m talking about quoting international figure. As per WB, India total debt for 2017 stands at $ 475 billion . In the same time Forex reserve of India is $ 365 billion . ( as per March 2017 ) . Hence India has enough money to deal any eventuality .

SaidRehman Mar 16, 2017 07:54pm

@AdNan 2 Our Prithvis, Agnis, Brahmos are waiting eagerly to fulfill their purpose. Please respond.

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 07:56pm

@Tariq - Tariq Saihab - I just love my Pakistani friends here....All arguments coming from Pakistan are justified by saying " Everyone Knows" never product any hard facts/ documents

GENGHIS khan Mar 16, 2017 07:56pm

When Kashmir people are getting benefited, why do you object?

Zak Mar 16, 2017 07:58pm

@Akil Akhtar but it will always fail until it fails as a group of Unatural nations , itself.

Apache_indian Mar 16, 2017 07:58pm

@Saif Zulfiqar,

Why do you feel India's one point agenda is Pakistan? We have 1.2 billion people and for us the agenda is keep our territorial integrity intact, educate our population, and build a powerful economy that is growing upwards of 10% per year. We want to close the gap with China to the extent we can.

We will not compromise on our territorial integrity. If you see that as being Pakistan centric then so be it.

Rizwan Mar 16, 2017 08:02pm

A serious matter for Pakistan. This should be taken seriously by Pakistan. Since the rivers are flowing from India to Pakistan, in this scenario Pakistan does not have much choice. This situation gives India an upper hand.

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 08:03pm

Modi can do whatever he can at his capacity to indian muslims. We the nationals of jammu and kashmir will ensure that you get your dose until you vacate our land .Modi is superhero for you and we consider him coward and a lunatic communal fellow. It is not very far when we shall see many countries formed in indian subcontinent if the BJP policy remained same. Apart republic of J&K, there will be many more nations imminently into form. Mark it from today onward.

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 08:01pm

@sahid_kashmiri , India has right to use water from their land and not from ours. They can do whatever they aspire in beyond Republic of J&K and no one will ask them as why they should. We are talking about our resources which india has no jurisdiction at. Why should india get our water and other resources when they have killed 1 lakh and 20 thousand of our brother and sisters ?

vorshal Mar 16, 2017 08:08pm

@JA-Australia -- That is a fair assessment which I believe all Pakistanis agree but won't agree with the Indian comments just for the sake of it!

Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} Mar 16, 2017 08:09pm

@GENGHIS khan , We dont , we are deprived from our resources. 75 percent gets electricity from us. Our electricity goes to Indian for 1 paisa and they sell us in return for 1 rupee. it is plunder and persecution. you have to leave our land which will happen soon .

Indian4RMBLORE Mar 16, 2017 08:10pm

@zak again wrong, comment, finding mission to IOK, but India refused them entry, Yes, even ur country Pakistan also refused, check it out

Mustafa R. Mar 16, 2017 08:11pm

We will have to 'Unheld' Kashmir.

SID Mar 16, 2017 08:14pm

@Zak : You should read the article by former Pakistan's permanent representative to the UN Mr Shamshad Ahmad on Kashmir issue & update your knowledge.

"Our people need to understand that none of the UN Security Council resolutions on Kashmir was adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. There is no mandatory enforceability of those decisions, now reduced merely to be part of UN's voluminous archives."

Hum Mar 16, 2017 08:16pm

@Abdul Rehman don't jus see the dams on Chenab friends . Just google and see the dams under construction in India , from east to west south to north every state is getting new dams on war footing under Modi . We are planning for a green revolution again. Now Lakhs of acres are switching for controlled farming

Taimoor khan Mar 16, 2017 08:18pm

@Yash Pakistan has already mentioned and very clear about its position, any stealing of its water will warrant military reponse. Hope Indian people understand that ego and foolishness of their leaders is something that their nation cannot afford.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 08:14pm

@Observer let UN talk to WB to stop lending and see what happens.

Mustafa R. Mar 16, 2017 08:22pm


False claim, India has been threatening water-war for over 50 years.

SID Mar 16, 2017 08:24pm

@Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} What about ethnic cleansing of Kashmir pandit ?

Monsieur Mar 16, 2017 08:30pm

@Hawkins ... China blocks water, India blocks the rest ... thus end result ... Bangladesh without water ..... LOL.... ignorance is bliss my friend

Mustafa R. Mar 16, 2017 08:31pm


'India will do anything and everything within its right.'

All of India's rights are in India not in Kashmir. Any water treaty between Pakistan and India has nothing to do with occupied Kashmir.

Sajida Mar 16, 2017 08:32pm

Booth countries need to keep in mind:

Only 60 Years of Farming Left If Soil Degradation Continues

Sajida Mar 16, 2017 08:30pm

@saudagar 15 Billion wasted:

Only 60 Years of Farming Left If Soil Degradation Continues

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 08:33pm

@Monsieur ,introspect your thoughts ,are they humane ? bangladesh suffering from draught makes you' LOL' ????

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 08:39pm

@Sajida ,being a biotechnologist ,i request you to read HYDROPONICS and micropropagation @ tissue culture .

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 08:36pm

@Sajida - Nonsense...when i was in school (1980's) they said all the worlds Fuel will finish by 2012......and today Oil prices have come down !!

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 08:43pm

@Zak - Today India Funds World Bank, BRICS Bank and provides Line of credit to smaller countries ( like Mongolia, Vietnam, Tanzania ...)

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 08:50pm

@dynaimte , india ,pakistan ,china,and usa have largest oil deposits in soil, waiting for the gulf and african to empty themselves , i cant convince you more, if not ,consider it a myth !

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 08:59pm

@saudagar - Talk is Cheap....substantiate with facts

Observer Mar 16, 2017 09:04pm

@Zak Who is stopping UN ? UN knows it has no locus standi on the issue.

nandan sarkar India Mar 16, 2017 09:04pm

it's India and pakistan's interest to resolves the issue amicabily.

saudagar Mar 16, 2017 09:10pm

@dynaimte PALYNOLOGY and pytholith analysis ,google further .

Observer Mar 16, 2017 09:11pm

@Tariq Where you read Modi started these projects? Not even a single project of these were started after 2012. They were started during previous governments. Have so me pity public before making ludicrous claims.

Iqbal, Srinagar Mar 16, 2017 09:20pm

@Akram Look how is talking. The question is what have you learned over the last few decades? compare our trajectories and you get a better picture.

Great langoor Mar 16, 2017 09:22pm

Somehow if China block Bramhaputra river. Nothing to worry about, India and Bangladesh have GOD GIFTS, i.e. MONSOON.

dynaimte Mar 16, 2017 09:31pm

@saudagar - PALYNOLOGY and pytholith analysis...cmon you are making this way too intellectual.....all that India is doing is Building a complex wall across a river

Desi American Mar 16, 2017 09:32pm

Great job Indian government. Keep it up.

SID Mar 16, 2017 09:37pm

@Taimoor khan Hope Pakistani understand their ruler are giving anti-india statement to hide their failure to construct dam in last 30 years .

zafar Mar 16, 2017 09:42pm

Inshallah three times more power for our Kashmiri brothers. Kashmir will be shining brightly into the night sky. Pakistan wants to deprive progress of Kashmiris by objecting to dams. But nothing can stop development and Kashmir will become bright and prosperous.

MJ Khan Mar 16, 2017 09:48pm

@Akram Are you talking about our Kalabagh dam?

KhanSahib Mar 16, 2017 09:49pm

Pakistan's water supply is dwindling because of climate change, outdated farming techniques and a fast-growing population.

This is the problem Pakistan has. Blaming India does not improve outdated farming techniques. Pay attention to these and your problems will go away.

yaqut khan Mar 16, 2017 09:56pm

@dynaimte yeah do read all the resolutions.not just one line of one resolution.there are more than 10 UN resolutions on kashmir.

Khwarizmi Mar 16, 2017 09:56pm

@DIPAKKUMAR SHETH "why pakistan should get 80 % water" you ask. My reply is: 1. It's our water, not yours. 2. Rivers flow from Kashmir, which is not India 3. The people of Kashmir are Muslims who belongs with Pakistan just as the people of West-Bengal belongs with India.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:03pm

@majnoo india knows nothing. If it steps out of its low level, it will be put in place.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:10pm

@Observer UN represents international community and they have spoken on kashmir plebiscite. Sooner or later, the plebiscite will be forced on india and IOK kashmir will be free to join pakistan.

Indoaryan Mar 16, 2017 10:10pm

@Saif Zulfiqar If Pakistan is pressure proof , it can also be made waterproof. You get it ?

Sunilsm Mar 16, 2017 10:17pm

@Haseeb Khan try it , we all knew the consequence won't be on the upstream only,

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:15pm

@dynaimte hahahaha. Only China funds world Bank, india borrows heavily from that chinese money. This is not bollywood world, it's the real world.

SID Mar 16, 2017 10:22pm

@yaqut khan There is one one resolution . Rest are advisory, which are non binding.

You should read the article by former Pakistan's permanent representative to the UN Mr Shamshad Ahmad on Kashmir issue & update your knowledge.

"Our people need to understand that none of the UN Security Council resolutions on Kashmir was adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. There is no mandatory enforceability of those decisions, now reduced merely to be part of UN's voluminous archives."

Indoaryan Mar 16, 2017 10:19pm

@Raja These veiled threats have no effect on your big neighbour, we are six times your size, and think of it, you were never in our league. It is wise to think before commenting that border on lunacy. You have a nice day , Mr.Raja.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:20pm

@kevin because india is occupying the independent nation of kashmir and stealing their water. Kashmir don't want foreign indians on their soil. So get out.

SID Mar 16, 2017 10:25pm

@Zak Your own representative to UN ( former) had already told you the reality of Kashmir issue in UN. Still you chose to ignore it. Good luck.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:27pm

@Observer is that how you honour committment that you signed yourself. Learn integrity .

Sunilsm Mar 16, 2017 10:26pm

@Sheikh Sahib well u don't have to spend any think to live in the land of dream, how is Alice in the wonderland, is she doing well?

Indoaryan Mar 16, 2017 10:37pm

@Haseeb Khan And what do you expect in return ? It is nice to remember for every action there is going to be equal , if not more so , and opposite reaction.

SID Mar 16, 2017 10:37pm

@Zak Then why US & Japan has more voting right than China ??

practical Mar 16, 2017 10:39pm

@Zak @dynaimte hahahaha. Only China funds world Bank, india borrows heavily from that chinese money. This is not bollywood world, it's the real world.

China does so with US dollars (even if they do). I wonder who prints US dollars? any guesses? Dont sit on a mighty horse and play dumb! wake up and smell the coffee.

Pakistan jindabad Mar 16, 2017 10:40pm

Pakistan can clean Afghanistan sewage Water for its drinking requirements.Techniques are available. There is a need to salvage the potential.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:35pm

@rich empty jingoism is the last refuge of the ignorant after they have no reasoning power left.

practical Mar 16, 2017 10:44pm

@Zak @Observer let UN talk to WB to stop lending and see what happens.

Yea... sure, let them talk, who's stopping them? lets both see what happens.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:51pm

@rrd ..and that's why you are over here. The ignorant coming here to learn.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 10:55pm

@SID offset the two and you are left in massive debt with no monies what so ever. Now that is a real 'eventuality'. But then China , the world super power , will bail you out.

SID Mar 16, 2017 10:56pm

@practical He don't know India itself contribute to WB ( and its almost equal to China despite economy 5 times bigger )

Dynamite Mar 16, 2017 11:00pm

@zak BRICS bank funding of 100bn........China will make the biggest contribution to the pool: $41 billion. Russia, Brazil and India will donate $18 billion each, while South Africa’s investment will be $5 billion.

Zak Mar 16, 2017 11:01pm

@Sunil Varma Then why UNMOGIP still monitoring Loc. What really do they teach you. India needs foreign teachers to impart the truth, not RSS indoctrinated ones.

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:08pm

@Zak How can you offset World No1 & 3 economy ?? Are they void ???

M.Saeed Mar 16, 2017 11:11pm

@SID Out of context!

ak18 Mar 16, 2017 11:12pm

what is india trying to achieve by strangulating pakistan's water supply... the famine will cause a crisis... the crisis will cause bloodshed... and the bloodshed will spread... eventually wrapping the entire region in its grip... you cannot set fire to your neighbour's home and expect to escape the flames youself

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:13pm

@Zak So what's a big deal ? UN has become irrelevant after SCS issue. Did they put any effect on North Korea, Russia or China ?? They just give aid to poor & affected people . That's it. It is the harsh reality of UN.

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:12pm

@M.Saeed What is out of context ? WB is funded by Japan & US on majority basis . China , India & few other countries have minor roles play. But for some people China is the only country in world . Really ignorance is bliss.

jaydeep Mar 16, 2017 11:13pm

@zak What do the poor in Pakistan do .

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:22pm

@ak18 First your assumption is complete wrong. Neither India can't strangulate water from Pakistan nor they are doing . India is mere storing water to generate hydroelectric which can be sold to other states of India to generate revenue for JK Govt . Since these are run of river project, water will ultimately flow to bottom end of river after generating electricity . No where pakistan has proved that India is using more than 20% of water which they were allotted . Not a single time from any Govt source.

Now Pakistan is saying neither we will build any dam & nor will allow any other to build. What sort of logic it ?? Water is getting wasted by flowing in to sea & no one is taking steps to utilize it .

N.S Mar 16, 2017 11:25pm

@SID India ranks at seven in world top economy in nominal GDP. Purchasing power parity is a feel good factor but not given importance by IMF and GDP is a measure of production and not wealth or living standards as GDP PPP depicts.

The Top 10 Economies in the World. Note: This list is based on IMF's World Economic Outlook Database, October 2016. ...

United States. The U.S. economy remains the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP. ... China. ... Japan. ... Germany. ... United Kingdom. ... France. ... India.

jaydeep Mar 16, 2017 11:29pm

@zak We are one of the fastest growing economies in the world , We are the 7 th largest economy in the world , and the 3rd largest in terms of PPP, The Indian automotive sector is one of the largest in the world producing over 23.96 million vehicles annually , Our aviation sector is one of the fastest growing in the world and we have a booming IT sector , Please go through the Indian budget , unlike you our world does not depend on China , So keep living in a parallel universe . BTW How many Pakistanis are in the forbes 500 list or for that matter CEO'S of companies like microsoft or google .

N.S Mar 16, 2017 11:31pm

@SID Eralier in 2011, the International Court of Arbitration (ICA) has barred India from any permanent works on the controversial Kishanganga hydro-electricity project (KHEP) on River Neelum at Gurez in occupied Kashmir in response to Pakistan’s appeal for ‘interim measures’ against the dam which may inhibit the restoration of the river flow to its natural channel, the government announced on Saturday.

India has violated IWT many times earlier...

N.S Mar 16, 2017 11:35pm

@SID India did the same with the Baglihar Dam earlier. The construction of Baglihar dam will not only deprive Pakistan of 321,000 acre feet of water during the three months of Rabi season and will have far reaching consequences on agriculture, as well.

So India has a long history of manipulating the IWT and depriving Pakistan of its due share...

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:32pm

@N.S No where i said India is 3rd largest economy. I meant USA & Japan only. Although China is 2nd largest, in terms on contributing to WB it is well behind Japan & US . Hence US & Japan have major voting power for WB . But some people says China runs WB .

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:42pm

@N.S The same court also allowed India to complete the project with certain parameter .

In February 2013 the Hague ruled that India could divert a minimum of water for their project. In this partial award, the court upheld India's main contention that it has the right to divert waters of western rivers, in a non-consumptive manner, for optimal generation of power. The International Court of Arbitration gave its "final award" on 20 December 2013, wherein it allowed India to go ahead with the construction of the Kishanganga dam in Jammu & Kashmir over which Pakistan had raised objections. The court delivered its "final award" after India requested clarification of an order issued by it in February. The "final award" specifies that 9 m3/s of natural flow of water must be maintained in Kishanganga river at all times to maintain the environment downstream .

SID Mar 16, 2017 11:51pm

@N.S Baglihar dam project also went in favor of India with some minor adjustment .

N.Sid Mar 16, 2017 11:52pm

@jaydeep Well, of the 23.96 million vehicles figure how many are passenger cars and how many are two wheeler and three wheeler and others, considering the number of cars sold in India in 2016 is about 2 million, less than 10% of your given figure.

Also, and this is a bit difficult to explain, many Intl' car companies like Hyndai has a huge plant near Chennai, of Ford in Gujarat or for that matter many other intl's players has simply assembly plants with some OEM's and just as Hyndai has a plant in Thailand they had one in India...all the inventories and export figures is included in Hyndai behalf...India gets the job at assembly plants.

This is more like Make in India and not Made in over big Automobile companies do that.

Zak Mar 17, 2017 12:03am

@saudagar india is 3rd largest economy in Asia. In Asia, not the world. Your education system needs a major overhaul and uplift. Btw China's economy is number in the world. Compare China to US and India to Pakistan, which is 6th largest economy in Asia. After this dont let depression get hold of you.

Dynamite Mar 17, 2017 12:11am

@Zak yes India is comparable to Pakistan ...rather Pakistan is richer than India . That's why china agreed to join BRICS with India and others. And BRICS bank is funded by Pakistan through China

Zak Mar 17, 2017 12:17am

@jaydeep all these paper glorified write ups still don't feed the 85% starving indians living in slums. They need food and basic dignity.

Zak Mar 17, 2017 12:18am

@jaydeep just about manage 3 meals a day.

helloall Mar 17, 2017 12:19am

@maverik. "...Pakistan won't sit quiet and watch the show from sidelines." You know what- I am sick & tired of people like you writing nonsense like your statement above, before having all facts in front of them. I don't hear anybody telling Pakistan "to sit quietly & watch the show". Pakistan is a sovereign nation and has all the rights to utilize its resources anyway it wants, and the same goes for India or any other country in this world. If you can't write something that makes sense, please don't.

Zak Mar 17, 2017 12:25am

@practical bravado is the last refuge of the ignorant.

Observer Mar 17, 2017 12:27am

@Zak I challenge to compare India and Pakistan economies. Indian economy is over $2 trillion growing at around 7 % while Pakistan economy is $200 billion growing at less than 4%. Also compare foreign exchange reserves, debt to GDP ratio and tell us where does Pakistan stand. Compare the currency too. Similarly US with around 4 % global population has over 25% of global GDP, where does China stand? Yes, India's education system needs overhaul but this system has given us our Space program which is world class, has produced men and women who today lead companies like Google and Microsoft, Pepsi etc. Have a look at success of Indian diaspora in the West and do a comparison with that of Pakistan and let us know what did you find.

Maxx Mar 17, 2017 12:55am

@Observer Actually Indian economy is 2.2 trillion USD and Pakistan's is 285 billion USD, nominal. So Indian economy is seven times bigger than Pakistan with a population which is about 6.5 times bigger. It's not that big difference if you look at the comparison between China and India, both have almost same population with China GDP at 11 trillion USD and India at 2.2 trillion USD.

aaaa Mar 17, 2017 12:59am

@Zak today Asia top 300 university 33 Indian university

Zak Mar 17, 2017 01:24am

@Observer I can see your are poorly read and highly misinformed about Pakistan and achievements of Pakistan.

Zak Mar 17, 2017 01:23am

@Observer cut the Chase to the key factor, the gargantuan debt of $550 bn. Annual trade deficit $150 bn. Independent figures not indian doctored ones. A recepie for disaster, and nothing else counts. Pakistan is far better off, don't even compare yourselves to us.

Amit Shukla Mar 17, 2017 01:27am

Great move India.

Zak Mar 17, 2017 01:38am

@Observer better you make yourself useful and challenge your own extremist government to hold UN plebiscite in kashmir and let peace prevail. That is the real issue.

invincible Mar 17, 2017 01:37am

This dam building monopoly over water resources by the Modi govt. is simply an insidious manifestation to divert attention away from India's serious issues. According to a Wall Street Journal article, India has widespread toxic drinking water problems which Modi's admin has not come close to cleaning up.

"According to Delhi-based Center for Science and the Environment, India’s cities are drowning in their own waste due to poor planning and administration. “Every city was the same old story,” S. Banerjee, lead researcher on the 71-city, 3½-year effort, told the Wall Street Journal. “It had devastated its surface water, it was depleting its ground water and it had no plan for managing its water or wastewater.”

The Ganges River is the most waste filled, dirtiest and most toxic river in the world, and the Indian govt. has done nothing to clean it up. First India must clean its present water sources before it diverts water from Pakistan to add to its toxic arsenal.

Anjan Mar 17, 2017 01:49am


From your comment it appears that you do not have national grid for power distribution and consumption! I was wondering if your country produces power for local consumption only as the distribution circuit are disjointed, this appears to be highly unlikely... please clarify. thanks.

Anjan Mar 17, 2017 02:05am


why do you compare? is there any parity today or even 20 years ago?

Anjan Mar 17, 2017 02:07am


Good point...

gp65 Mar 17, 2017 02:37am

@raja hindustani "These are run of the river hydro-power projects which is solely meant to produce electricity; not to store water for irrigation or other purpose. So, there is NO dam is being built."

It is a run of the river DAM. IT will not stop further flow of water but it will be used to generate electricity.

amer Mar 17, 2017 02:59am

Pakistan is already wasting a big portion of the water it gets from India. There is no consensus on dam making in Pakistan between provinces. This way at least someone will be putting water to good use. Being a Pakistani , I support Indian strategy. It might give Pakistan a wake-up call to do something about it.

Satyameva Jayate Mar 17, 2017 04:34am

@Maxx - USA's population is 1/4th of China's but its economy is $14 Trillion. In 1978, when China stared adopting Western Market Economic Policies India's economy was larger than China's. Indian started liberlising only around 1992. Give it another 25 years to see where is its Maturity Point.

M Mirza Mar 17, 2017 04:38am

As usual our leaders are sleeping. They should atleast take this matter before the UN and take the Indians to a world court

Satyameva Jayate Mar 17, 2017 05:01am

@Zak - Friend, 85% of Indians DO NOT live in slums. To make you see the absurdity of of your assertion I will give you one fact that you can verify from innumerable sources on the internet. 1. 70% of Indians lived in Villages (2011 Census). Currently the number is aroung 65%. 2. 35% of Indians live in cities. 3. By definition all Slums are in the cities. 4. Hence, according to you more than 85% of Indians live in the Cities. If this does not make you laugh at yourself. I rest my case.

DeepaK Mar 17, 2017 05:56am

@PRO - Wishful thinking

ukumar Mar 17, 2017 06:21am

@Saif Zulfiqar Good, So do not complain

ukumar Mar 17, 2017 06:37am

@Zak Here you again giving alternate facts.

ukumar Mar 17, 2017 06:38am

@zak Poor starve everywhere

my Comments Mar 17, 2017 06:44am

@Haseeb Khan Chances are Pakistanis already have a plan as how handle and neutralize this move. No country can afford to allow its neighbour to control its lifeline of water supply. Pakistan would be its full rights to neutralize such a move.

Suppi Mar 17, 2017 06:40am

@Desi Dimag correctly said

Kalpa Mar 17, 2017 06:44am

@Zak in India we get 1 kg rice for 1 rupee, kind of decent. This is the statewie programs. Many states in southern India has that. North Indian state might have different scheme bases on their eating habits. Even civil workers gets min wages as 600 to 800. Govt school, colleges , hospitals s are there, govt hotels are there 5 rs breakfast and 10 rs meals. What else you want?

Suppi Mar 17, 2017 06:46am

@Akram Let the dams complete..then we will see who is or them..!!

ukumar Mar 17, 2017 06:43am

@aleem India has never violated IWT treaty. Pakistan has lost all the cases against India.

Abdul Rehman Mar 17, 2017 07:00am

@Zak : Talk for your country and not China..

Vijay Halgeri Mar 17, 2017 07:18am

With the comments here, I understand that the common citizen are more sensible than politicians. By and large.

Iqbal Mar 17, 2017 07:49am

Modi is man of action not words

Sparic Mar 17, 2017 08:20am

@Maxx it's actually 6.5 times bigger than Pakistan in population and 9 times bigger in nominal GDP. And it's a big difference. How nice of you to say it's just 7 times bigger than Pakistan

Oracal Mar 17, 2017 08:20am

I have some dams in my country, the water is held back in large man made reservoirs to generate electricity by releasing the water from controlled opening which rotates the dynamo and water is released. Pakistan should make workable arrangements with the Indians it is not a game of baseball as to who is on the first and who is on the second.

kartikay ungrish Mar 17, 2017 08:32am

@Maxx Going by your on fact India is 9 times bigger than pakistan economically not 7.

TR Mar 17, 2017 08:36am

@Taimoor khan What do you mean? All actions are kinetic. Moreover action and reaction are equal and ...samje bhai?

Hind Mar 17, 2017 09:12am

@Naughty Baramullah Boy { Repulbic of Jammu and Kashmir} what about indians paying for ur infrastructure and all other development project. No one told u that 90 % of all j&k project are paid by govt of India. And electricity production at 1 paisa per unit? Really? It shows that u need to get educated.

KKH Mar 17, 2017 09:55am

@aleem, this vicious circle will come to a standstill in a few years time, since India is adding more than Pakistan's GDP in a year today, and 3to4 years to come double of Pakistan's GDP in year incrementally. This itself will solve our all problems.

SID Mar 17, 2017 10:10am

@N.Sid Ford India Manufacturing unit at Chennai manufacture Ford Eco sports , Ford Figo & Ford Figo Aspire locally . They only assemble Ford Mustang & Ford Endevour at Chennai plant . Chennai plant has a special unit where they manufacturer engine , which are supplied to other countries where Ford has assembly unit only . Both Sanand plant & Chennai plant has capacity to produce 450,000 cars & 600,000 engines annually . Ford India currently exports 40 percent of its engine production and 25 percent of its car production to 35 countries. hence it is not just another assembly plant .

Same with Volkswagen . Volkswagen has engine assembly part in India with annual capacity of 100,000. They manufacture Volkswagen Passat, Vento, Polo , Jetta & Ameo , Audi A4, A6, Q3,Q5,Q7 locally. Also Skoda Fabia, laura, Rapid made at Volkswagen Pune plant .

Sree Mar 17, 2017 10:34am

@zak plebiscite first step from pak awaited from the day its approved by UN go and read Resolution

Anonymous Mar 17, 2017 10:33am

@Khwarizmi who told you it is Pakistan's water? Please get your facts right.

Anonymous Mar 17, 2017 10:35am

@jaydeep Your statement is factually incorrect, India is the 5th largest economy in the world in terms of nominal GDP.

Anonymous Mar 17, 2017 10:41am

@N.S The order of nominal GDP is wrong, as per latest figures the correct order is as follows: US, China, Japan, Germany, India, UK, France.

Bikram Mar 17, 2017 10:56am

@Ali do you have any idea about facts and figures? so you guys are innocent as a child ah? India should do anything with its share of water. why do you bother?

MS Mar 17, 2017 11:23am

As long as any impotent government is sitting in Islamabad no progress will be made on Pakistan's rights of the treaty.

Zak Mar 17, 2017 11:43am

@Satyameva Jayate yes do read it, but after you learn English so you can understand it properly. I have already educated you all some where in this forum.

Azad kashmir Mar 17, 2017 11:57am

@jaydeep I don't know where you indians get your figures from. If you're gonna lie at least make it plausible. Goodness gracious

dynaimte Mar 17, 2017 11:54am

Zak- the resolution clauses are sequential and conditional...please read from Top to Bottom and Left tor Right ..its in English

PSP(India) Mar 17, 2017 12:06pm

@Haseeb Khan You are right and India will surely do this when required. But your concern is not even a legal point to deny India its share. It is as simple as that.

c_dan Mar 17, 2017 12:07pm

Due to red tape in Pakistan ,there is no dam built for the storage of water & wasting water ,Now India is building dams to meet the energy needs . what's the problem Pakistan ?

Aadil Mar 17, 2017 12:10pm

@Samir,India Let them indians build the dams, it gonna be used by the future pakistan state anyways.

RAVEENDRA NATH Mar 17, 2017 12:16pm

What is wrong as long as Pakistan is getting its share of water and India is utilising its share to develop projects for the economic development, particularly of Kashmir.

N.S Mar 17, 2017 12:23pm

@Anonymous Check again, France GDP nominal was 2.8 trillion USD in 2013, UK was 2.6 trillion USD in 2013, when India had a GDP nominal of 1.85 trillion USD.

The 2016 figure for India was 2.2-2.4 trillion USD nominal, so even this is lower than the old GDP figures of France and UK...which should be more now even with a modest growth.

SID Mar 17, 2017 12:40pm

@N.S Please check the article on Forbes ( 21st Dec 2016 ).

India's Economy Surpasses That Of Great Britain .

N.S Mar 17, 2017 01:12pm

@SID The claim made by a magazine(Forbes) and carried by sections of media is not backed by data.

The claim that the Indian economy has overtaken the U.K. economy in terms of absolute size, as made by a contributor to Forbes magazine and carried by sections of the Indian media, is not backed by data, an analysis by The Hindu of GDP data from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Government of India, and currency data from the central banks of the two countries shows.

vikas Mar 17, 2017 01:25pm

@N.S Absolutely in agreement with your data. But what's the point. Where does Pakistan stand in nominal economy terms? Please do answer.

SID Mar 17, 2017 01:38pm

@N.S Even that report says GDP is India is expected to overtake UK in next financial year . At present India , France & UK are almost on par with GDP figure. Since india in expected to grow at 7-7.5% ( may go higher after GST ), in next 12-15 months India will overtake UK & France as 5th largest .

vikas Mar 17, 2017 01:40pm

@raja hindustani That was just brilliant Raja ji, Brilliant.

santhosh Mar 17, 2017 01:48pm

indian is using its own share of water,according to world bank treaty....who is pakistan to decide about it

N.S Mar 17, 2017 02:27pm

@SID That's right...India has a population of 1.3 billion(130 crore) and UK has a population of 6.4 crore, France is also somewhere around 6.6 crore...India ranks somewhere at 140th place in per capita GDP ranking in the world...matching Pakistan which is slightly below at 143 place, 2016 figures.

N.S Mar 17, 2017 02:59pm

@SID building onto that.With very similar per capita GDP nominal rank of India at 140 and Pakistan at 143, and very similar HDI indices, can be verified, it's not that India is light years ahead of Pakistan and in a different league altogether as been pretended and portrayed by Indians...the difference is marginal and minuscule.

Notwithstanding the fact that Pakistan is going through its worst period for the last decade due to war on terror and all kind of problems. For a better part of post independence Pakistan GDP growth was twice that of India in 5o's till early 90's.

So in coming years with many a problems like power shortages gone, a clean and competent government, Pakistan will do much better. In the worst of time Pakistan is doing fairly good, in the best of time Pakistan will do much's the region which develops, not individual luck to India.

SID Mar 17, 2017 04:17pm

@N.S All the fact you mentioned is correct . But a bigger fact you missed here is India is poised to growth above 7% for next decade . India has a population of 1.3 billion. It is a gold mine for all countries. Which country will resist to do business with a market of 1.3 billion people growing at 7% annually ?

Put India & Pakistan in front of a new company . You know which side they will chose to invest in right now .

Monsieur Mar 17, 2017 04:18pm

@Haseeb Khan .... and what do you suppose is a dam???

SID Mar 17, 2017 04:21pm

@N.S Agree . Per capita income India is ranked at 120 ( $6187) , Pakistan 133 ( $4906) .

Even China is not LIGHT YEARS ahead . They are ranked at 84 behind countries like Libya, Iraq. So how does that compare China with Libya & Iraq ??

lafanga Mar 17, 2017 04:33pm

All those in the aman kee asha brigade and the peaceniks on Pakistan side specially should see this and realise that India will never, I repeat never, want to see Pakistan prosper. Quite the contrary.

N.S Mar 17, 2017 04:35pm

@SID Quite right about the population bulge of India, at 1.3 billion, different reports about the promises and perils of the huge population, can be a dividend and can be a deluge requiring huge job openings.

Check out this report about Pakistan...

SURYA KANT AGRAWAL Mar 17, 2017 04:47pm

These projects will help India to meet part of its energy and water requirement for its large and growing population.

N.S Mar 17, 2017 04:51pm

@SID Agree . Per capita income India is ranked at 120 ( $6187) , Pakistan 133 ( $4906) ...

This is the GDP purchasing power parity, per capita income, intrinsically fraught with untrue figures, as purchasing parity cannot be turned into real production value...

...anyways the nominal GDP per capita is four times lower with India slightly ahead(15-20%) than Pakistan, China I think is four times ahead than India in per capita and 5 times in GDP nominal.

SID Mar 17, 2017 04:48pm

@N.S There is difference between poised to grow & actual growth . India received $ 65 billion FDI last year alone even outpacing China . Even if Pakistan grows at 5% this year , it will add $14 billion to its GDP . With more 7% growth India will add $160 billion to its GDP . There lies the difference.

Uday Kulkarni Mar 17, 2017 05:03pm

Such a big issue about nothing. The objective of any Hydro project is to convert water force(energy) into electrical energy to meet the growing needs of power and is not a Dam or storage of water for anyone on earth to worry about. This is not a Dam in the first place.

Brahmananda Mar 17, 2017 05:58pm

@lafanga "peaceniks on Pakistan side specially should see this and realise that India will never, I repeat never, want to see Pakistan prosper."

Quite the contrary. It is Pakistan that does not want to see itself prosper.

sectular world Mar 17, 2017 06:06pm

@Sonny afridi pakistan and china are two different country.

N.S Mar 17, 2017 06:07pm

@SID That hypothesis of India outpacing China in FDI is an internet hoax or maybe a marketing trick. Check FDI figure of China last year it was 120 billion USD. And for HongKong it was close to 110 billion USD as well, You can sum up the total to see the difference...

N.S Mar 17, 2017 06:08pm

@SID According to the UNCTAD report, Hong Kong registered FDI inflows of US$175 billion in 2015, a year-on-year surge of 53.5 per cent compared to US$114 billion in 2014. It places Hong Kong second only to the US (US$380 billion) and ahead of Mainland China (US$136 billion). The UNCTAD report said that the increase in Hong Kong FDI inflows was partly due to corporate reconfiguration.

GENGHIS khan Mar 17, 2017 06:29pm

Kashmiri people are happy. That is sufficient.:))

Pg65 Mar 17, 2017 07:14pm

@N.S Pakistan's per capita income is calculated assuming a population of 180 million. With actual population being much higher, per capita income would be lower than the stated number.

Uday kulkarni Mar 17, 2017 07:27pm

Six Hydro projects approved suddenly when they were languishing for years ? So what ? Take the case of nuclear power plants; solar energy projects, hydro projects ; and all these projects all across India are progressing at breakneck speed. This is the way Modi is working 17 hours a day and clearing all pending projects especially those related to power and energy which would lead to economic growth of the country. How else do you want the government to eradicate poverty ? Only if the facilities and infrastructure is developed; will people get jobs and economy will progress taking people out of poverty. I would wish Pakistan as well with similar growth for the benefit of the population. I want the relations between the 2 countries to improve to such an extent that if there is excess Power from these hydro projects; it can be sold to Pakistan at a cheaper rate just like Niagara River power grid in Canada supplies electricity to New York state.

ARINDAMPRIN Mar 17, 2017 07:56pm

@Haseeb Khan you'll start CPEC through Gilgit Baltistan why should we not obstruct the water... As of China blocking Bhramhaputra , that'll be tackled...that is not our only river as like Sindhu is for Pak... If we restrict the water flowing into PAk then its not a problem of China.... Its of you and its indeed a retaliation to make Gilgit Baltistan into your 5th province

Honest Mar 17, 2017 07:59pm

@Haseeb Khan Challenge accepted. Also pls protect your dams they also will be decimated!

venkob Mar 17, 2017 10:30pm

@Uday kulkarni great response but definitely a good dream

Jim beam Mar 17, 2017 11:37pm

@zak thank you for your title. I guess that takes the pressure off Pak.

Ali Mar 18, 2017 12:02am

@Samir,India yes right, India will do everything and anything to be worse neighbour in the whole world.

dhanesh Mar 18, 2017 12:12am

If you make my life hard i will make yours harder. Well done modi. How can they deny any involvement in kashmir when bin laden was hunted in their own soil.

Ali Mar 18, 2017 12:08am

Pakistan has to find other ways, start water saving campaigns, find new innovative ways for agriculture. Because India will make sure it completely destroys Pakistan.

Rather than wasting time with world bank treaty just come up with some else as a leverage. Right now nobody will help Pakistan. Not even China.

Zak Mar 18, 2017 12:31am

@Sree stop repeating your media/ govt fed distorted information. If you still can't understand ,than you are a waste of time.

Zak Mar 18, 2017 01:52am

@Abdul Rehman we are Iron brothers, so we can speak for each other, pakistan and China. A regional power and a super power.

Zak Mar 18, 2017 01:57am

@aaaa india top in poverty indicator, worst than Africa. Sad.

Zak Mar 18, 2017 02:00am

@Satyameva Jayate in india slums are in and out of the cities. Poverty every where , correction, the real figure is 87%. Now you can laugh at yourself, and we too will all join in.

De. Ramesh Sharma Mar 18, 2017 08:22am

@Zak Enjoy

Zak Mar 18, 2017 08:55am

@De. Ramesh Sharma enjoy Dawn, an illuminating newspaper for all.

Zak Mar 18, 2017 08:58am

@ukumar but in india the most, 87% of population.

Mimi sur Mar 18, 2017 11:01am

Let's squeeze the enemy neck.

Blue Knight Mar 18, 2017 11:34am

@Mimi sur

Please go ahead.. If you call 1.3 Billion people your enemy.. may God help you..

Ramsay Bolton Mar 18, 2017 11:50am

@Mimi sur: Yes try that. We are waiting.

kevin Mar 18, 2017 11:49am

@Uday kulkarni Not 17 hours some days it 21-22 hrs / day. Modi is marvelous PM. In this way projects are executing in India next 15 years india will be medium range countries and a welfare state.

Mudassar Mar 18, 2017 01:06pm

i fail to understand the heartburn, if India is exploiting the waters within the provisions of the treaty. Or am I missing something?

Aisha Mar 18, 2017 01:07pm

@KT "There should be backup plan to bring water from other countries in Pakistan."

absolutely. Time to check with iron brother, if they got any.

Fap Mar 18, 2017 01:38pm

@Saif Zulfiqar So Mumbai, Uri, Pathankot just to name a few were not cheap?

Sugarush Mar 18, 2017 02:36pm

@Zak and 99% in Pakistan. Do you consider yourself rich ? Some believe CPEC will bring Pakistan out of poverty.

Observer Mar 18, 2017 09:02pm

@Mudassar You are missing envy, propaganda and inability to understand meaning of treaties. Good Luck.

Zak Mar 18, 2017 09:30pm

@Kalpa all on borrowed money. It will lead to a debt crisis.

Thruth Mar 18, 2017 11:55pm

@zak It has not happened for last 70 years.. and will not happen in future. Indians have right to share waters of western rivers (20 percent) and can built run of river hydro elect. Projects on these rivers in Kashmir. Pakistan can take objection this matter to IWT. I believe the Pakiatan objections are of technical nature and should be reviewed by technical expert as appointed by Indus water tribunal as per IW treaty.

Thruth Mar 18, 2017 11:57pm

Both countries need water conservations policy..similar to Isreal. Stop the water waste. Period.

Thruth Mar 19, 2017 12:19am


WB or UN have their positions clearly stated..india and pakistan to resolved the issue of water and Kashmir bilaterally taking to each other.

Thruth Mar 19, 2017 12:26am

@bryan Run of river hydro projects with agreed storage capacity at each of the projects. India is complying. In one of the project Pakistan is claiming that India is not complying with storage capacity.. this could be reviewed by WB expert as per India's request which Pakistan is not agreeing and would like WB legal court to review.