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When Pakistan were finally crowned as Asian Champions 2012, the Kashmiris were joyous; they celebrated, they had their ‘Diwali’, they had their ‘Eid’, they burst fire-crackers. This is normal. This happens each time Pakistan wins, each time India loses. Or when India’s early exit from any big tournament is guaranteed. -File photo by AFP

Cricket matches involving Pakistan and India — arguably the fiercest arch-rivals after Australia and England in the game’s history — have often been described as “mother of all encounters”. In Indian-administered Kashmir, many see cricket contests between these two nations as “war minus the shooting”.

The countdown has just begun. The Pakistan cricket team is touring India later this month for a short series of two T20 and three ODI matches, beginning 25 December. The satellite television channels in India have started airing their sensational promos like “Aandhi Hai, Toofan Hai / Dil May Hindustaan Hai / Samne Pakistan Hai/ Asli Imtahan Hai…..” [‘There’s wind, there’s storm / India is in our hearts / Pakistan is the opponent /That’s the real test…’]. And the hearts of many Kashmiris are already skipping a beat. It is not any secret that the majority of the Kashmiris — young and old, men and women, boys and girls — root for the Green Shirts.

With teary-eyes many elderly women and men in the Kashmir Valley could be seen sitting, anxious and worried, on their prayer mats, some also holding rosary beads in one of their hands; seeking divine intervention to rescue Pakistan from scary situations. With an uninspiring Misbah-ul-Haq at the helm of affairs of Pakistan cricket at the moment, the frequency of such nervous prayers has enhanced manifold. During Imran’s and Wasim’s playing days, the Kashmiris had plenty of faith in the Green unit and skill of the players. People, more often, expected magical performance from the game-changers like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar, Miandad, Inzamam, Zaheer Abbas, Shoaib Akhtar, Saqlain Mushtaq, and Saeed Anwar. But some would still pray, just in case.

In Kashmir, cricket has never been seen just as a sport. It so easily gets mixed with the regional politics and history that divides the disputed region, administered by India and Pakistan in parts and claimed by both in full. On the 22-yard cricket strip, the Kashmiris love to see Pakistan winning and India losing. In fact, they support all opponents of the ‘Men in Blue’and their hearts beat faster for the ‘Green Army’.

For Faheem, a young Kashmiri telecom engineer based in Dubai, the reasons for this ‘love affair’ with Pakistan cricket are also political.

“To many, like my father who is from the partition years, Pakistan was a 'dream'. It was a country that emanated hope in that generation. It fulfilled all romanticism in nationalists. It gave them an identity. The green flag with a crescent, evoked patriotic vibes in a lot that was a thirst of selfhood. The years after partition all added up to an affable affair with this country. Anything and everything from across was considered pious,” he told Dawn.com.

Supporting the Pakistan cricket team came naturally to Faheem.

“I grew up to the stories of Majid Khan knocking down a bird in one of his ferocious cuts at the pretty Exeter ground; Imran running down Greg Chappell's side at SCG in '76; and Zaheer Abbas ending a certain left-arm Sardar's flagging career with three consecutive sixes. In the ancient concubines of my ancestral house: father, grandfather and my uncles had a fable recital for every landmark in Pakistan cricket. Hence, liking Pakistan cricket team is something that came naturally to me. I wasn't fed. I was born in the romanticism of this 'Dream',” he explains.

For Arif Ayaz Parrey, a writer from the Kashmir Valley, the unwanted stifling of right to free speech has a lot to do with it. He believes the architecture of choice in Kashmir vis-a-vis international cricket is a “classic case of collective sublimation of political opinion in the face of criminalization of any independent politics by a thought-policing occupier State”.

Ayaz opines that despite the severe dip in the form of Pakistan players in recent times the affection for team Pakistan has hardly lessened.

“The bad form has hardly diminished this affection for Pakistan, which is still seen as an ally, in many instances even more lovingly now that it struggles against a much more muscular and assertive India. The hatred for India has increased with its new-found confident aggression, a stance which reminds Kashmiris of all that is wrong with the world,” he concludes.

Why is there so much fascination in Kashmir in relation to Pakistan cricket?

“Supporting Pakistan cricket has to do something with the sentiments the Kashmiris share with that country. Pakistan has always championed the Kashmir cause at international level and that gesture has seeped into the hearts and minds of the Kashmiris. Also, there are too many similarities the way both the Kashmiris and Pakistan players go about their business; positive attitude and aggressive brand! The Kashmiri fans identify themselves with the Pakistan team and not India,” says a Valley-based sports editor while pleading anonymity.

Pictures and big posters of Imran lifting the coveted World Cup in 1992 could be seen in many Kashmiri homes and shops. Other favourite posters are of Wasim Akram, Inzamam and ‘Boom Boom’ Afridi.

-Photo by AFP

There is another side to this liking for unpredictable ‘Cornered Tigers’.

“Also, the good looks of Pakistani players added to their enormous popularity, at least in the female tribe. It is said that every time Imran Khan came on, a heart skipped a beat, somewhere in uptown Karachi or downtown Srinagar,” Faheem adds.

People give different reasons for having a soft-corner for team Pakistan ranging from political to geographical, and in some cases religious too.

Many Kashmiris studying and working in different Indian cities like New Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and Kolkata face this predicament of which team to support in presence of their Indian friends and colleagues, who obviously cheer for Sachins, Sehwags and Dhonis. Sometimes the situation can turn ugly, as it did in the case of 22-year-old Waseem, a Kashmiri youth pursuing his B-tech from a University in the Indian capital.

India were playing against Bangladesh in Asia Cup. While favouring Bangladesh, Waseem was watching this encounter with his batch mates and few strangers.

“As soon as Bangladesh, the underdogs, defeated India, I couldn’t control my emotions, I clapped and shouted. All Indians around me were furious. What happened thereafter was my worst experience so far,” recounts Waseem. Some Indian fans, according to Waseem, had made plans to teach him “a lesson of his life”.

“I was staying in a rented accommodation as a paying guest. Two young boys entered my room and began inquiring why I had supported Bangladesh. I explained to them it was purely because of my cricketing sense. Soon I saw a group of around 10-15 boys waiting outside my room to teach me a lesson. I got worried about my safety,” he says. Sensing trouble, Waseem recalls, he tried negotiating the matter. It was not so easy, though.

“Somehow I managed to lock my door from inside. I was dismayed. I feared for my life,” he adds.

Waseem’s landlord had intervened and asked him what the matter was all about.

“I expressed my freedom of speech. I liked the way Bangladesh fought back and won. I am no fan of Indian cricket,” he was candid with his owner.

“In that case, what are you doing here?” this is what, according to Waseem, the landlord told him in response. Two weeks later, he was asked to arrange for another accommodation!”

Most Kashmiris support the Pakistan team. Many favour all other teams playing against India. Logic, match situation, nuances of the game, everything gets buried in an unnamed grave. Raw emotions take the centre-stage. This hasn’t changed since many decades. It is highly unlikely that the Kashmiri psyche in this regard will change in future as well.

There are, however, a handful of Kashmiris who have their heroes from the Indian team, as is the case with Arished Hussain, 26, based in the Indian state of West Bengal since the past one decade.

“I grew up watching Tendulkar, Viru [Sehwag] and Yuvi [Yuvraj]. I like the sound when the ‘Master Blaster’ hits the red cherry in the middle of his willow with elegance for straight drives and back-foot punches through the cover region. I’m fond of Viru’s aggression and Yuvi’s power and timing,” Arished told the Dawn.com from Kolkata.

Like Arished, there are quite a few who also like young Indian star Virat Kohli. Extreme dislike for team India has always been there in Kashmir. The situation is different in Jammu region.

India were the surprise world champions in 1983, beating the great West Indies side. Soon after their historic win, the Indians hosted West Indies in a five-match ODI series in October the same year. The first match of this series was played at Sher-i-Kashmir Cricket Stadium [SKCS] in Srinagar, the first international match held in Indian-administered Kashmir. The staging of this match was obviously controversial and intensely opposed by those fighting against Indian rule. The Kashmiri crowds supported West Indies and booed the Indian players.

This fact has been acknowledged and documented by former India captain Sunil Gavaskar in his book ‘Runs n’ Ruins’. Gavaskar has rated the Kashmiri crowds as amongst the “worst he has seen in his life”. “….We were stunned by the change. As the Indian players came into the arena to loosen up and do their physical exercises, they were booed by some sections of the crowd. This was unbelievable. Here we were in ‘India’ and being hooted even before a ball had been bowled. Being hooted after a defeat is understandable, but this was incredible. Moreover, there were many in the crowd shouting pro-Pakistan slogans which confounded us, because we were playing the West Indies and not Pakistan. The West Indians were as surprised as we were but were obviously delighted to find support in their first big encounter against us after their defeat in the Prudential Cup finals,” Gavaskar writes.

India lost that game by a margin of 28 runs, a revised target in a match reduced to 22 Overs in the second innings [when West Indies batted] because of unwanted intervention. The Kashmir crowds had clapped for each run scored and wicket claimed by the West Indies side. Unfortunately, some spectators had thrown bottles and trash at the Indian players. This had indeed been unpleasant. Chasing a modest target set by the Indians, the visitors did not lose even a single wicket. It was a game which both Kapil Dev and Viv Richards played in.

At least 12 Kashmiri men, including pro-freedom leader Shabir Shah and former guerrilla Showkat Bakshi, were accused of digging up cricket pitch at SKCS, Srinagar during the lunch break of India-West Indies encounter in 1983. The accused were released on bail in 1984. Charges against them were filed in 1989. They always maintained that charges against them were fabricated. After a yawning gap of 28-years, a court in Srinagar acquitted all accused for lack of evidence in 2011. The Srinagar cricketer stadium hosted one more game after this one in 1986 when the Australians toured. India lost that game, too.

Cricket may be a ‘religion’ in India and Pakistan but in Kashmir, according to some, it is one of the many symbols of showing resentment towards India. It is one of the many ‘symbols of resistance’ against Indian rule. Even the 700,000 Indian troops stationed in the strife-ridden region are aware who the Kashmiris favour when it comes to cricket encounters. That is perhaps why there is a quiet competition going on between the troops and the Kashmiris regarding who bursts more firecrackers on an Indo-Pak match day, depending upon which team wins.

These days it has become fashionable to use phrases like “cricket diplomacy”, but does battling it out in the middle of the pitch somehow reduce enmity between nations that have fought wars in the real battle field?

Politics should not be mixed with sports. Cricket is just a game. These are some of the oft-repeated sentences when our favourite cricket team loses; and the team we do not want to see on top, actually wins. Those who claim to have graduated to another level and learned detaching sports from politics are speaking only the half truth.

-Photo by AFP

When India defeated Pakistan in the semi-finals of World Cup 2011, many Kashmiris were dejected and felt ‘defeated’ too. India celebrated. Kashmir mourned.

India and Pakistan recently met in the Asia Cup 2012. India won. Kashmir’s streets, I was informed, wore a deserted look. India celebrated. Kashmir felt a pang in the heart.

When Pakistan were finally crowned as Asian Champions 2012, the Kashmiris were joyous; they celebrated, they had their ‘Diwali’, they had their ‘Eid’, they burst fire-crackers. This is normal. This happens each time Pakistan wins, each time India loses. Or when India’s early exit from any big tournament is guaranteed.

The Kashmiris are in love with Pakistan cricket. Not because they see a political future of Kashmir with that country. It appears they know that their applause for Pakistan would hurt India more. They shower praises on Pakistan team to injure India’s “ego”.

During an Indo-Pak cricket encounter there is passion. There is provocation. Points are made. Points are scored. There are arguments of history. There are arguments related to statistics. Yes, there is everything.

If an Indian fan boasts about Sachin Tendulkar’s impeccable record of 100 international tons, a Kashmiri supporting Pakistan cricket recalls the fastest ball being bowled by the ‘Rawalpindi Express’, quickest hundred scored by ‘Boom Boom’ Afridi in just 37 balls, Wasim and Waqar being the all-time second and third highest-wicket takers in limited overs cricket history respectively.

An India fan reminds the Kashmiris about Pakistan’s defeats at the hands of India in the world cup quarter-finals (1996), world cup semis (2011), and T20 final (2007), the Kashmiris brag about the overall edge that Pakistan holds against India by winning 69 out of 121 ODIs played between the rival sides. The Kashmiris also remind Indian fans about Javed Miandad’s famous sixer off Chetan Sharma’s last ball at Sharjah, Shoaib Akhtar disturbing the furniture of Dravid and Tendulkar in two successive deliveries at Eden Gardens, Saeed Anwar’s innings of 194 against India in Chennai (1997), the historic victory in the Chennai Test and Aaqib Javed’s hat-trick and seven-for against India at Sharjah.

The arguments keep coming. So do the counter arguments. There’s no stopping.

On the 22nd of March, the day when Pakistan were crowned as Asian Champions 2012, the Inspector General Kashmir range S M Sahai chose to updates his Facebook status writing this “cheeky” message: “Sometimes Pakistan also should be happy.”

Mr Sahai got some befitting replies in the shape of comments on the thread that followed. “I am the 1992 world cup winner. I am the 2009 T20 world champion. I am the last ball sixer at Sharjah. I ended the career of Kris Srikanth with that ferocious bouncer. I am the ‘Sultan of Swing’. I invented the reverse swing and the ‘Doosra’. I mastered the multiple hat-tricks. I am the ‘Cornered Tiger’. I am the fastest ball, the quickest hundred, the longest six, the shattered stumps at Eden Gardens, the highest individual score of 194 at Chennai, the 40-ball century at Kanpur. Now I am the Asian Champion 2012. I am the aggression. I am the passion. I am the unpredictable. I am Pakistan.”

If India wins and the die-hard Indian fans jog your memory by showering accolades on Kohli’s magnificent hundred in Asia Cup match, the Kashmiris shot back: “India did not ‘Kohlify’ for the finals.”

The Indian fans remind them about Kohli’s knock of 183 at Dhaka against Pakistan in a winning cause, Kashmiris find solace in their own creative ways, arguing: “When Indians score centuries, they pump their fists in arrogance. When Pakistani batsmen score centuries, they bow their head in humility and kiss the soil.”

That’s why the Kashmiris love them. That’s why they support them. The Kashmiris say they detest “arrogance”. They are fond of “humility”.

And even if no such reasons ever existed, the Kashmiris will still be rooting for Pakistan’s victory.

The writer is an international journalist. He has worked as editor at Deutsche Welle in Bonn, Germany. Previously, he has also contributed features to the BBC web. Feedback at [gowhargeelani@gmail.com].


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gloriousAllah
Dec 20, 2012 03:50pm
Yes...ok next time please also do some search and write about who the Balochis, KP, Waziristhan people will be supporting. This is all day dreaming rubbish we have done always since independence and cared for people of neighboring countries rather than ours.
chetan
Dec 21, 2012 08:59am
THE ARTICLE WRITTEN IS UNTRUE ,I KNOW MANY KASHMIRI BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM CONCERNED ABOUT PAKISTAN,, THE WRITER SHOULD KNOW THE FACTS AND THEN CONCLUDE.
Francis
Dec 20, 2012 03:15pm
Really! Any statistics to prove your figures? I dont think the majority of Kashmiris support either Pakistan or India. Maybe some minority support the Paki team but just as much maybe support India but I think the majority support neither of them.
heera
Dec 20, 2012 03:22pm
By the way ,just FYI many indian muslim support pakistan when Indo-pak cricket series r being played.But i couldnt understand the meaning of this article.I mean everyone knows about it.Nothing new in it.
Edwardian
Dec 20, 2012 03:13pm
Nothing but the truth
Avinash
Dec 21, 2012 02:52pm
This is completely false statement that Kashmiri support Pakistan.
Jagdish
Dec 20, 2012 04:04pm
Seriously that the worst use of my time i spent by reading this article.
Dani
Dec 20, 2012 03:56pm
Kashmir khappay!
Asif Kahsmiri
Dec 20, 2012 03:15pm
In Sha Allah Pakistan will win.
Student
Dec 21, 2012 11:11am
:)
Bikram
Dec 20, 2012 02:31pm
That's what makes us a tolerant society and sometimes you have to sacrifice in a democratic country. Imagine a Hindu family in pakistan cheering for Indian team.
Reader
Dec 20, 2012 04:16pm
Nice Imaginative writeup, be in dream world
Tim
Dec 20, 2012 02:31pm
So true, and similarly people of Baluchistan and North Western Frontier celebrate when India wins. What an Irony?
Indian
Dec 21, 2012 02:53pm
That is true, not just Kashmiris but a lot of my muslim friends support Pakistan. Though I do not like it very much, but then again I am proud to be a citizen of a country who allows you to make that choice. One may argue giving facts about cases where people were thrown in jail for using their freedom of speech, and that is a shame. All I can say is there is still a lot of work that needs to be done.
Moin
Dec 20, 2012 03:04pm
More than 100,000 Kashmiris have been killed so far by Indian Armed forces in Indian Occupied Kashmir and Kashmiris still should support India ?
ImmI
Dec 20, 2012 03:18pm
A masterpiece!!! You cannot rule minds, emotions and affiliations.
umair khan
Dec 20, 2012 03:27pm
100% i have seen it with my own eyes in UK and KSA.
Mukesh
Dec 20, 2012 03:10pm
Totally biased - the writer says in this article that sports and politics should not be mixed and thats exactly what he has done in each line of his article.
Saad (DXB)
Dec 20, 2012 03:29pm
India you said?
G.Sharma
Dec 20, 2012 03:08pm
"War minus shooting" appears to be the feeling in Pakistan but not so much in most Indians. Of course there are exceptions. In all fairness, the forthcoming series with Pakistan has already generated disappointment in India & there is a very significant portion of Indians who resent Pakistani team visiting India.
Jairam Jatt
Dec 20, 2012 03:38pm
what a waste n defending own ego kind of news....i weak person enjoys such kind of news.
Shiv
Dec 20, 2012 03:33pm
Ha Ha..That was the best part of the "article"
Khan
Dec 20, 2012 02:19pm
what a piece of crap
bibb
Dec 20, 2012 02:55pm
maybe this is why so many kashmiris come out to vote and take part in the indian system of democracy and governance? deceptive article .......not expected from dawn.
Ihtesham Kayani
Dec 20, 2012 02:53pm
We, as Pakistanis, appreciate Kashmiri bretheren gesture of love and affection.
avinash
Dec 20, 2012 02:49pm
oh my! I'm worried about the future of Indian cricket without support from Kashmiris.
Bilal
Dec 21, 2012 11:03am
I have come across a few Kashmiri students in Germany and they all support Pakistan.
Rahmat
Dec 20, 2012 04:25pm
Let me put it to rest for Writers like Gowhar Geelani whose write ups are not only pathetic but seroiusly biased. As a Kashmiri I root for the team that plays the game with integrity. No matter what Nr, Geelani writes and no matter which select Kashmiri he interviews, India is here to stay. Better lump it and move on.
Rahul
Dec 21, 2012 08:46am
True, Most Kashmiris support Pakistan cricket Team whether they play agianst India or any other Team.
Al Shaheed
Dec 20, 2012 04:47pm
The only moment when Kashmir becomes Pakistan, when Pakistan play India. Be it hockey or cricket. Well written article.
Pakistani
Dec 20, 2012 04:47pm
wow, good to see so many "Indians" on a Pakistani newspaper.
rahitel
Dec 20, 2012 04:48pm
thats how muslims r ...they cannot b good citizen of a country...never!
saad rehman
Dec 20, 2012 05:13pm
let me enlighten you people in KPK support Pakistan during Pakistan cricket matches.
Sahil
Dec 21, 2012 08:29am
They must be from Pakistan`s Hyderabad because what you have written is totally baseless. Indian muslims are happy in their own space and are as patriotic as people from other religions in India. FYI we don`t refer to the people of Kashmir as "Kashmiris", they are as Indian as we are.
Crish
Dec 20, 2012 05:47pm
Culturally India and Pakistan is close. People in sub continent are defined by both culture and religion, think who benefits most by this division? Frankly there is no shortage of roti, kapda aur makaan in sub continent, but u look around and you still find poverty. Has India or Pakistan benefited from it? I guess not, what we spend in our armies / counter terrorism and lobbying in US if spent wisely both nations will grow. I wish one day that India and Pak join hands and be close together instead of being close to USA / Russia / China or Saudi.
Imran
Dec 20, 2012 05:50pm
You must be dreaming. NWFP people are so proud when Afridi , Gul and Younus get together to produce fireworks. You've given a new meaning to sour grapes.
Imran
Dec 20, 2012 05:59pm
You should be.
Cricket Fan
Dec 20, 2012 06:01pm
A pointless and meaningless article from an unknown journalist whom most have never heard of. The writer simply generalizes his opinion based on few people's view who even might be imaginary. Every individual has the right to support the team/players they like why does it matter to any country at all. its a game not an Election for heavens sake. With over a billion supporters india can do away if a few thousands don't support them. Sincerely a waste of time article.
Imran
Dec 20, 2012 06:02pm
Who do you think Balochis, KP and Waziristani's support?
Nina
Dec 20, 2012 06:06pm
Thats the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Why would Balochistan and KP celebrate India's win? They have nothing in common with India. No language, no borders, nothing. "Tim", you need to try something else, this one back-fired .
Nina
Dec 20, 2012 06:08pm
Bad, bad Dawn. What happened to all that "balanced" journalism that Indians love?
Sheetal
Dec 20, 2012 06:20pm
A reflection of childish mindset and immaturity of a Patriotic Pakistani. He wanted to say something positive about Pakistani cricket in wake of upcoming one of its kind series, so why not to make a cocktail of Kashmir and Cricket to get some mental comfort ? Sure you are free to have comfort. Who in this world thinks that Indian cricket needs support of Kashmiri Muslims ? We know that and we dont want to win minds and hearts of people like Kashmiri Muslims who become blind in the name of religion. There is no cure for the disease they suffer from. India is at no body's mercy. Let me reiterate here, Pakistan team is not welcome in India. We want to have no bilateral contest with Pakistan. I still do not understand where was the rush to sandwich this series in between another series.
amit
Dec 20, 2012 06:31pm
Mr. writer if you have something to say about against any nation make it direct.don't take an excuse of kashmiris in your statement.we indians always supports indian cricket team that includes kashmiris also.so your blog hardly matters.
anil
Dec 20, 2012 06:41pm
every one sees in their respective eyes.
baba kashmir
Dec 20, 2012 06:44pm
NICE ARTICLE
Shahid
Dec 20, 2012 06:44pm
im from srinagar.. wat ever u wrote its 100 per cent true picture.. its not only cricket its also seen in hockey matches... my grand mom do prayers for pak when ever they play... nice work done...
Shahid
Dec 20, 2012 06:47pm
majority support pak.. better come here whn india pak match will be ...
Shehzad Zafar
Dec 21, 2012 11:18am
Very Big Article
Ali Hassan Ayub
Dec 20, 2012 06:51pm
Kashmiri will always be with Pakistan. Whether in cricket, whether in brotherhood, or whether in the battle-field. Conjoined twins always stand by eachother; this applies especially to Pakistan and our Kashmiri brethren with whom we share deep bonds. Go Green Shirts! Make us proud, come home victorious.
Ali Hassan Ayub
Dec 20, 2012 06:58pm
absolutely false statement "Tim"
Anand
Dec 20, 2012 07:01pm
give free visas for kashmiris that wish to leave to go live in beloved pakistan free plane travel first class also. money well spent. My bet is that ..there will be few takers. And I would be glad to be wrong also. Win win.
Mustafa
Dec 20, 2012 07:15pm
Do you have figures to prove your point?
Jibran Qureshid
Dec 20, 2012 07:17pm
dawn was never known for allowing such articles where the writer repeats paras after paras. is dawn facing shortage of good writers?
Mustafa
Dec 20, 2012 07:19pm
I am from Frontier. And we celebrate whenever Pakistan wins, and whenever India loses to any team. Timmy, get your facts right.
IndiaUSA
Dec 20, 2012 07:49pm
"Majority of Kashmiris root for green shirts"... first of all i don't think there is a word like "root for" in English language, it should be 'hoot for/ hooting'. Secondly, since you guys have been keep stats on which team each Kashmiri supports, it shoes how much free time you all have and is supported by the direction in which Pakistan is heading. Stop comparing yourself to India, focus on your own shortcomings be it in cricket or economy..that might help y'all a bit.
Praveen
Dec 20, 2012 08:31pm
I'm an Indian Hindu and it is no surprise that some of my Muslim friends do support Pakistan. Even though it is sad that they support Pakistan instead of India, i think it is really awesome that they have the freedom to express whatever they believe in. It is the price India has to pay for its secularism. So never mind..
Nina
Dec 21, 2012 10:00am
I feel sorry for you.
farhanali99
Dec 20, 2012 09:53pm
Not only in Kashmir, I lived with few HyderAbadis for some months, they said that there are whole areas in Hyder Abad who support and pray for Pakistan.
Syed Shah
Dec 20, 2012 10:24pm
This applies not just to Kashmiris but Muslims in India too.
anyone
Dec 21, 2012 03:09pm
Who asked you to stay in hyderabad during separation.Go and live with them.
naaz
Dec 21, 2012 03:10pm
real picture depicted in words
anyone
Dec 21, 2012 03:07pm
Muslims in india agreed to live in hindusthan during separation.
Sahil
Dec 21, 2012 07:43am
This ain`t true.. during my MBA I came across lot of Kashmiris who would cheer for India and not Pakistan as mentioned in this article. Do you really think these people would cheer for you when they are being employed in their country and are given so many opportunities. They are working in top IT companies in Delhi NCR and other cities. We in India don`t refer to them as "Kashmiris" as they are as Indian as we are.
premal shah
Dec 21, 2012 02:34am
Pakistan needs to stop obsessing about India and focus on its own people. Writing such biased articles helps nobody
Hari
Dec 21, 2012 05:12am
Not to mention the many lives lost to your "freedom fighters"..
zara
Dec 21, 2012 05:16am
Dear Writer, prayers are not for " just in case".
Mohammed Yusaf Khan
Dec 21, 2012 05:34am
Uh no!, i don't know what world you live in. I am a muslim from Lucknow india. And i thank god everyday that we did not go to Pakistan. No indian muslim supports pakistan, app pata nahi kis duniya main rehtey hai.
Haider
Dec 21, 2012 05:43am
hahahaha... dream on dude.
Sabeel Anwar
Dec 21, 2012 05:53am
I am a Kashmiri Indian and I disagree with this senseless report
Khan
Dec 21, 2012 06:09am
Oooch Dawn has again touch the raw nerve of Indians now the site will be bombarded by historically biased history written in the backyard of every Indian
Suraj
Dec 21, 2012 06:24am
Why would anyone support lossing team ? unless he feels that he belongs to that nation. Thumbs down to this article. With out any evidence you can not claim such reports and one should not belive either.
Hassan
Dec 21, 2012 12:33pm
Facts figures, go read sunny's book.
Cynical
Dec 21, 2012 12:34pm
There is every thing in this article, but cricket.
Deb; India
Dec 21, 2012 12:37pm
Love and respect, my brother.
Sceptic
Dec 21, 2012 12:39pm
Because they have this habit of biting the hand that feeds them, all over the world.
Deb; India
Dec 21, 2012 12:47pm
I disagree. Some time you should be prepared to have something that you may not like. They have allowed you and me to comment here. They could have Mod your comment out, they didn't.
Naveen Kumar
Dec 21, 2012 12:49pm
I think Cricket & sports is all about politics and so, India and Pakistan should not play each other as that would only lead to further acrimony. Besides, We Indians need to devote more of our time to the east - ASEAN, China, South Korea, Japan .Therein lies the money and the future of the world.
Mahis
Dec 21, 2012 12:50pm
Kashmir probably has supporters for both India and Pakistan. The way these supporters are treated is another story.
Deb; India
Dec 21, 2012 01:06pm
Because, it doesn't ask for VISA.
Deb; India
Dec 21, 2012 01:10pm
Khan saab, salaam.
Sahil
Dec 21, 2012 05:37pm
You need to ask everyone to start praying cause India's gonna beat Pakistan. This series is gonna be exciting for both the countries. We may not get along well as neighbors, but we play best cricket against each other as rivals. May cricket win in the end with no diplomacy and allegation.
xeroxus
Dec 21, 2012 07:38pm
cricket may be a religion in pakistan.it's not anymore,in india.we have matured
xeroxus
Dec 21, 2012 07:42pm
it's not a price to pay anymore.we are completely free of insecurity particularly against pakistan and if some muslim brothers in india support pakistan cricket team along religious lines,i find nothing wrong in this while they continue to head our missile programme
alex
Dec 21, 2012 07:43pm
The reality will then bite the hypocrites...the truth will then come out loud. One can only bury truth with religion so far....
Sceptic
Dec 21, 2012 08:44pm
They have to. They always chew the hand that feeds them, whetther in India, in US, or in EU.
Cynical
Dec 21, 2012 08:51pm
Why you feel sorry for him?
Sceptic
Dec 21, 2012 09:00pm
That's how majority of Indian Muslims are. That way Pakistani Muslims are better persons, honest, upright and patriotic. I respect them. Indian Muslims they abuse the same kitchen that feeds them. That is un-Islamic, but who is going to argue with these short fuses.
Deb
Dec 21, 2012 09:04pm
But we can rule the economy. End of the day, heart, mind and affiliation will not bring food on the table.
Deb
Dec 21, 2012 09:10pm
Only last week I read about 90,000, which was 75,000 last month. So this week they killed 10,000. At this rate by the end of this year there will be no Kashmiri alive. What are you smoking? Must be something very strong.
Nabba
Dec 21, 2012 09:11pm
They made u proud by cheating n spending time in jail.....u must be proud. Yeah
Maddy
Dec 21, 2012 09:15pm
Simply coz indians r more educated than pakis...
Muba Khan
Dec 21, 2012 09:34pm
And you wonder why ppl stereotype. Life is not just about making money sir. There is something called enjoying sports rivalry with entertainment.
Bon bon
Dec 21, 2012 09:36pm
Lol have u ever been to uk ?
Muba Khan
Dec 21, 2012 09:37pm
What is many? 20 or 20,000? Writer is referring to general consensus. Don’t want to get in argument who should have Kashmir but if you draw a line based on Muslim population, you might not like the end.
Avinash
Dec 21, 2012 09:50pm
I'm! constantly. every minute.:)
Imran
Dec 21, 2012 09:56pm
Good idea Naveen. You can start by visiting Chinese and Korean websites rather than ours.
J.Sandhu
Dec 21, 2012 10:01pm
look, you are welcome to play what you want with who you want, all I ask is why does it have to be in India, why cant it be in London or Paris. We dont want to have anything to do with Pakistan. Why cant you understand that.
Naveen Kumar
Dec 21, 2012 11:21pm
Wow! More than half of my message was truncated by Dawn. All I said was that Kashmiris themselves are not a homogenous lot. Some prefer India, some Pakistan and a good many would like to get rid of both for independence. As for the People of Ladakh and Jammu, they are by and large pro-Indian. Is this some lie or hate speech that must be truncated?? . This is not my personal hypothesis rather what I've learnt from my friends in J&K and the visits to the place. If you don't trust me, try asking (if you've the resources to do so) any random bunch of common citizens of J&K (and not the politically affiliated people). I wonder how far scuttling of freedom of speech can help any country. You disappoint me dawn.
don
Dec 22, 2012 01:30am
in india some fanatic muslim also support paki. when hindu tell them if you support paki go pakistan then they said we are not supporting paki.....!
Peace for all
Dec 22, 2012 03:15am
History tell us how Indians have dealt with Muslims in their own country. What happened in Gujrat. Is that how you respect and deal with non Hindu Indians. You even don't deal equally with your own Indians who are belong to low caste groups.
SAMI ULLAH BABA
Dec 22, 2012 03:27am
Aasalamuaalaikum oll the readers of DAWN.COM........as a kashmiri its a fact whatever there has been written in the article above . i m a daily news reader of DAWN.COM and today i could not hold my tears while on reading the few lines of this article which are as under........“To many, like my father who is from the partition years, Pakistan was a ‘dream’. It was a country that emanatedhope in that generation. It fulfilled all romanticism in nationalists. It gave them an identity. The green flag with a crescent, evoked patriotic vibes in a lot that was a thirst of selfhood. The years after partition all added up to an affable affair with this country. Anything and everything from across was considered pious,” . i m requesting all of the readers plz convey our message to the pak cricket players " do ur best for the honour of we people "
samiullah
Dec 22, 2012 03:33am
i think the way u understand it is totally missunderstanding. being as a kashmiri i know the fact very well.
Guru
Dec 22, 2012 03:37am
Do the pandits, count as Kashmiris? If yes, do they support the Pakistan team? Just wondering...
ANEES
Dec 22, 2012 04:02am
What other option do you have other than supporting India? You can't (and you won't ) risk your life by supporting Pakistan while living among Indians.
Rahul
Dec 22, 2012 04:46am
Biased one sided review. If Kashmiri’s are “treated” the way they are, am sure there is a reason. How well can you treat traitors. Citizen of Kashmir should show loyalty to the land where they earn their bread and butter and not killed by Taliban every other day.
peddarowdy
Dec 22, 2012 05:54am
Thats the beauty of India isn't it! India has place for all beliefs, Religious, Political and even one's who reject the very idea of India.. But, with a caveat - As long as they observe their ideology in peace. Some people migrate out of India, some come back to find their roots in India, some stay out and glorify it, some stay in and blast it. But, at the end of the day non-violence matters, the society turning more and more pluralistic matters. I've met Kashmiris in Bangalore, who have studied in Kashmir, but work here. They love it here, the freedom of a non-islamic society is liberating for them. They love the colours of India and loathe the mono-shade of green of Pakistan. There are all kinds of people. As long as they are peaceful, they are free to think whatever they want.
abdulazeez
Dec 22, 2012 06:33am
you mean pakistan occupied kashmir student....
mohsin meghani
Dec 22, 2012 06:36am
The writer is an international journalist. He has worked as editor at Deutsche Welle in Bonn, Germany. Previously, he has also contributed features to the BBC web. Feedback at [gowhargeelani@gmail.com]. please read that line at the end of an article :P
Deb
Dec 22, 2012 06:50am
Too big and irrelevant.
Sandstorm
Dec 22, 2012 07:58am
India has already won the battle for Kashmir. Militants are making use of an amnesty to cross over backto India, as per Dawn and other Pakistani newspapers. The real question is not who the Kashmiris suport, but when an international teamwill agree to play in Pakistan. I say at least another ten years. Which is a tragedy, because Indian spectators have always been well treated in Pakistan.
shiva
Dec 22, 2012 08:22am
So tell me something new!!
shiva
Dec 22, 2012 08:25am
Nicely said
chinmay boriwal
Dec 22, 2012 09:38am
i respect those kashmiri indians who support india....well done guys!!!
Basu
Dec 22, 2012 12:08pm
The best thing India can do is actually allow kashmir to join Pakistan...it contributes nothing to India anyway..and once they are pakistan, these morons will get a much required reality check.
xeroxus
Dec 22, 2012 12:33pm
i am also from srinagar.and it's not 100 percent true
Naveen Kumar
Dec 22, 2012 01:31pm
Indeed I do that at Global times and Xinhua time and again. Chinese are civilisational brothers of ours linked through Buddhism and brutal colonial repression. One confused war can't negate the entire history. India never joined Western Bandwagon to corner China, as that would be detrimental to Asian people's solidarity against neocolonialism of the West. At the same time, we have to retain credible deterrence so that border negotiations are based on reason and not just strong arm agression. As for the dawn part, I comment only when it talks something about people living in Indian territory , and never when it talks about Pakistan's inner happenings which I think are concern of Pakistani citizens.
Naveen Kumar
Dec 22, 2012 02:34pm
There is no stereotyping. I have utmost respect for Pakistani Citizens. Patriotism should not be mixed with antagonism for the outsiders. I wish the present phase of instability and economic trouble in Pakistan goes away very soon. Our people also went through similar painful period in early 90s (BoP Crisis, Bombay Blasts, Riots, insurgency and all the ugly stuff). Pakistanis are not exactly foreigners to us, so there exists an element of empathy though some may have this vengeance thing going around in their minds, which I do not agree with. Having said that, a countries' resources (time & money) are limited and shall be deployed where the mouth is and from where good return could be expected. East Asia houses World's most dynamic economies & societies and borders India. Pakistani economy and society isn't doing that well at present. Nor is Pakistan any welcoming place to Indians and vice versa. Even MFN status has got embroiled in unnecessary controversy. SAFTA & SAARC are as good as dead corpse. We may wish good luck but then one must take some call. Offcourse, as things get better in future & Pakistan and India are able see each other beyond the bad old wars and kashmir ; dead corpses can perhaps be revived. For the time being, let's just stop wasting too much of each other's time. Money is the 'need' of every human in our present social set up.One can live long without the luxury of sports or any other rivalries but not without money . Sooner the countries of ours and yours realise this basic fact of life, the better it would be for both of the people. Rich Australians and English can take this luxury of cricket rivalries, for us there are better things to do like feeding, educating and clothing our little kids.
Deb; India
Dec 22, 2012 03:46pm
You are more likely from the Baniya community. There is nothing particularly wrong in pursuing money, but to make it look like the most important aim in life is uncouth. It makes people like me and many other Indians, who value many other things in and about life very uncomfortable. It only helps those people who like to paint all Indians with the same brush.
gp
Dec 22, 2012 03:48pm
I agree.
sameer kashmiri
Dec 25, 2012 12:00pm
just ask india to hold indo-pak match in this battlefield n c for urself support for GREEN ARMY.
Shahzad
Dec 26, 2012 11:50am
Kashmiries always love to be part of Pakistan becaouse they knows the value of independance
Hamza Jamal
Dec 26, 2012 11:37pm
for your information they dont want to be the part of your country.
Victor
Dec 28, 2012 09:44am
Given a chance a large numbers of Pakistanis would also migrate to India.