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Exit God, enter madness


On Wednesday, 4th of July, a frenzied mob broke into a police station in Bahawalpur (South Punjab). The mob’s target was a ‘malang’ (vagabond), the sort that have been found in and around numerous shrines of Sufi saints in the sub-continent for centuries.

The malang, whom many people of the area also described to be a man not very sound of mind, had been taken into custody by the area’s police after some people accused him of desecrating the sanctity of the Muslim holy book, the Quran.

So on Wednesday as the malang sat behind bars at a police lock-up and as most of the cops kept giving him sideways glances, cracking vague, pitying grins at the malang’s state of mind and habit of talking to himself, the mob surrounded the police station, demanding that the ‘blasphemer’ be handed over.

The cops refused, pleading that the case against the man shall be decided by the courts. As if already surprised that their fellow Muslims in uniforms hadn’t lynched the ‘blasphemer’ themselves, the mob thrust forward in an attempt to break into the police station.

A few cops rushed out with batons and teargas canisters trying to push the mob back that by now had grown to over a hundred enraged men with an audience of another hundred or so onlookers who, as usual, hang around such situations like silent, inanimate zombies.

As one of the cops frantically pleaded for reinforcements from his superiors on the phone, the mob had already barged into the lock-up. They went straight for the room in which the malang was being held.

Newspapers reported that the room/jail was being guarded by two armed policemen. A reporter of an Urdu daily told me that the cops did raise and point their guns at the approaching mob and wanted to fire, but seeing they were heavily outnumbered they decided to simply block the way.

Of course, how could they have? They were not only brushed away but mercilessly beaten, as the mob finally broke into the room, got hold of the terrified malang, dragged him outside and began to beat him with fists, kicks, iron rods and sticks.

Some witnesses (the mesmerised zombies) told reporters that they could hear the malang screaming and pleading the mob for mercy. But the onlookers stood still and so did the bruised cops, praying that the promised reinforcements would arrive before the mob slaughtered the malang and send him to hell for insulting Islam – the ‘religion of peace.’

The reinforcements did arrive. But by then the mob had had its fill of vengeance and blood. It had battered a vagabond and a mentally disturbed person to death. And as if that wasn’t enough to quench its blood thirst, it set the limp, bloodied body of the man on fire!

Deluded as we have become about our religious and national identities and priorities, I’m sure after seeing flames rise from the evil blasphemer’s dead body, many pious men in the mob must have looked at the sky, trying to penetrate their blood-shot gaze into the seventh sky where God resides, expecting the Almighty to begin showering rose petals on them.

That didn’t happen, and no one was willing to suggest that in all probability God had actually been repulsed by the act.

Yet again, the nation heard and saw its faith and holy texts being ‘avenged’ not by God-fearing men, but by a mob of retarded, subhuman filth.


Almost all leading media outlets in the country carried the horrific story. And so did the western media that continues to scratch its head trying to figure out just how inflammable and helplessly retarded Pakistan’s state institutions, judiciary, politics and society have become.

The self-claimed ‘bastion of Islam’ has gradually mutated into becoming a bastion of deluded messiahs and mindless, violent ranting machines to whom anything, from incoherent malangs to the reopening of Nato supply routes, are conspiracies against Islam.

Even more than 24 hours after the gruesome incident, no-one seems to even know the murdered man’s name.

Who was he? Did he really desecrate the Quran? Or was he too a victim of the many reasons that usually drive conniving men to whip up hatred among impressionable, frustrated people to settle personal and economic scores against enemies by accusing him/her of blasphemy?

Or was the incident part of the 200-year-old battle between the Sunni Barelvi and Sunni Deobandi groups in the subcontinent in which both the sides have denounced each another as heretical?

Ever since the reactionary Ziaul Haq dictatorship began to give shape to laws that would eventually become to be known as the ‘Blasphemy Laws,’ it is believed more than 60 per cent of cases concerning one party accusing the other of blasphemy involve Barelivis and Deobandis pointing fingers at each other.

Various governments that took over after Zia’s demise in 1988, especially those belonging to the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the one run by General Pervez Musharraf, have made several attempts to repeal the laws that various moderate and liberal Islamic scholars have insisted has no precedence in the history of Islamic jurisprudence.


Javed Ahmed Ghamdi is one of the few well-known Islamic scholars in Pakistan who has publicly insisted that the country’s Blasphemy Laws have no precedence in the history of Islamic jurisprudence, and are entirely man-made (as opposed to being divinely ordained). In 2009, Ghamdi began receiving threats from the country’s various sectarian and Islamist organisations. He had to quietly go into hiding for which he flew out to Malaysia.

For example, during both the Benazir Bhutto governments (1988-91/1993-96), she hinted her desire to at least amend the controversial laws but her attempt was thwarted by religious parties even before she could put up the issue for debate in the parliament.

In the mid-2000s, the Musharraf dictatorship also tried its hand to repel the laws, only managing to push through soft, superficial changes.

In 2010, PPP legislator and current Pakistan ambassador to the US, Sherry Rahman, prepared a bill for the parliament that pleaded changes in the law, but nothing came from it – especially after veteran PPP man and governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer, was assassinated by a crazed bodyguard who believed Taseer had committed blasphemy.

Taseer had sympathised with a poor Christian woman who was arrested after being accused (by those trying to convert her to Islam) for blasphemy.


Former Governor of Punjab and veteran leader of the PPP, Salman Taseer, who was gunned down by a crazed fanatic who accused him of committing blasphemy.

Religious outfits such as the fundamentalist Jamat-i-Islami (JI), the Deobandi Jamiat Ulema Islam (JUI) and the Barelvi Sunni Ittihad Council (SIC) have all been at the forefront of resisting any move made by non-religious parties to repeal or even amend the Blasphemy laws.

However, in the last decade or so, a number of sectarian and jihadist organisations along with some prominent media men too have jumped into the fray.

The year Taseer was murdered and there was talk of Sherry Rehman wanting to introduce her bill in the parliament, JI, JUI and SIC held a number of rallies across the country against the move.

Also present at the rallies were leaders from banned sectarian and militant organisations.

What’s more, well-known TV anchors like Aamir Liaqat and investigative reporter and ‘analyst’ Ansar Abbasi and some others in the media have been openly using air time and column space to not only blunt any move to even amend the controversial law, but to also (and actually) blame the victims of the law and mob action partaken in the name of Islam.

Another section of the civil society, the lawyers, still reeling from the euphoria of 2006-7’s ‘Lawyers Movement’ against the Musharraf regime, can now be seen stretching the residue of the movement into the religious domain.

A number of lawyers in various urban centres of the Punjab were caught on camera showering rose petals on Taseer’s murderer. Then, only recently, the Lahore Bar Council actually banned Shezan food products on its premises because ‘Shezan was owned and run by Ahamdis.’

Ansar Abbasi getting angry at a newscaster for repeatedly showing images of a woman being flogged by religious extremists in Swat in 2009. He first tries to suggest that the flogging might have been according to the ‘dictates of Sharia.’ Then he says he disagrees with those who are calling the act barbaric.


Apart from the fact that the controversial law has witnessed numerous cases in which men have tried to get rid of enemies for economic, sectarian and entirely non-religious reasons by misusing the law against them, another fall-out has been how this law has ended up actually encouraging people to take vigilante action.

When the mentally disturbed malang was murdered by the Bhawalpur mob, this was not the first time that such brutality had taken place in the name of protecting faith in Pakistan.

Interestingly, most cases involving mobs attacking those accused of blasphemy have taken place in central and southern Punjab. Over the past two decades Punjab as a whole has been going through a religious metamorphosis of sorts that is seeing a rise in not only overt religiosity and exhibitionism in the province, but a more rapid mushrooming of jihadi and sectarian outfits.

Civilian political and state institutions seem almost helpless to stem the tide, fearing retaliation and accusations of siding with the ‘blasphemers.’

Apart from the way Taseer was murdered and how Sherry Rehman and late Fauzia Wahab were threatened, the federal government (under a PPP-led coalition) and the one in the Punjab (run by the PML-N), seem clueless on how to keep the proliferation of hate literature and hate sermons in seminaries and mosques in check and under watch.

In fact, non-religious but right-wing parties like the PML-N and Imran Khan’s PTI haven’t shied away from cultivating links with certain sectarian outfits and personalities, some of whom have actually hailed vigilante action against ‘heretics’ and ‘blasphemers’.


PTI chief Imran Khan, giving a speech at a PTI rally. Seen in the crowd are flags of the Jamat-i-Islami and the banned sectarian organisation, Sipah Sahaba Pakistan (SSP).


Punjab law Minister and PML-N leader, Rana Sannaullah, seen on stage with the leader of the banned SSP.

Image: Pakistani lawyers chant slogans in suppo

Lawyers in Lahore cheer for the killer of Salman Taseer outside a court. They had showered him with rose petals and hailed him as a hero. Many of them had also been part of the ‘Lawyers Movement’ against the Musharraf regime.

Aamir Liaqaat

Famous TV religious anchor, Aamir Liaqat, was accused by the Ahamadi community for instigating violence against Ahmadis through his show. Four Ahmadis were murdered in Lahore in 2007 and the community accused Liaqat’s show. Though no legal action was taken, Liaqat, who was then a member of the MQM, was fired from the party. He was soon shown the door by the TV channel as well. However, this year the same channel decided to get him back and he is set to revive his show from this year’s Ramazan.


So who was the malang? What was his name? What did he do? The following is what I could gather from some reporters who were trying to decipher the same.

His name is still unknown, most probably because he came from a poor economic background. According to some reporters, he was well known by at least some of those who decided to kill and then set him on fire.

Many people of the area knew him as a vagabond who was not quite sane. It is still not known exactly who thought that this ragged looking and mentally disturbed man desecrated the holy book.

But one reporter told me that some people of the area were of the view that the malang was an ‘ashiq’ of Mansur Al-Hallaj – the famous 10th century Sufi saint, scholar and poet who was put to death by the authorities in Iraq for committing blasphemy.


A painting showing the hanging of Sufi saint and poet Mansur Al-Hallaj. He was hanged by Abbasid caliph, Al-Muqtadir in 922 CE, after the orthodox ulema and molvis at Muqtadir’s court accused Hallaj of committing blasphemy. In a fit of Sufi devotional rite, Al-Hallaj is reported to have shouted ‘An? l-?aqq’ (I am the truth). The ulema took the statement to mean that Hallaj was declaring he was God. Sufis, however, believe that Al-Hajjaj had simply reached the pinnacle of devotional consciousness and that Muqadir and his ulema got him executed because his unorthodox ways of teaching Islam had become popular with the masses and thus a threat to the Caliphate.

Details about the poor malang are at best sketchy and based on speculations, apart from the fact that he was mentally unsound.

It is also likely that even if this man actually had a family somewhere, it would hesitate to come forward.

Families of those arrested for blasphemy or killed usually become targets of harassment. The ordeal becomes like a nightmare that one fails to wake up from – until the defenders of the faith provide another hell-bound victim so the cycle begins again and the enthusiasm to kill and burn enemies of God remains as animated and constant as ever.

As one distraught friend of mine once prayed: ‘May Allah save Islam from Pakistan.’


Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com

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Imran Ali
Jul 05, 2012 08:21pm
" Please tell me that will any Hindu, Cristian, Jew (etc.) tolerate anything said against his belief, holy scripts or personalities??? " They protest but they don't go on a killing spree.like us. "Just picking one incident & portraying that all community is like that is as heinous as the reported killing" Just one incident? Do you remember the Gojra incident when a christian village was torched completely? The Sialkot incident when two teenage boys were lynched to death by a mob. Arshad Masih, the man who was burned alive in Rawalpindi for refusing to convert to Islam. All of these incidents are recent.
Jul 05, 2012 08:14pm
you people are obsessed with religion.
Jul 05, 2012 08:23pm
dear mr atta you said education sirji its the mindset i am living in Sweden doing my masters i come across lots of middle class Pakistani students here, they are brilliant in education hardworking but have typical mullah mind set before coming here i thought its the lack of education nah men hatred again other religion culture regions runs in our blood so do not fool yourself all and most importantly the world know it
Jul 07, 2012 04:30am
Dont say Logic....Intellect & Justice is Islam Muslims in India respect the country code of majority and not what they believe to be true. Our majority is intolerant and nullify basics of Partition
Jul 06, 2012 07:13pm
May I know the name of this "malang"??? His name is being hidden even after his death....I cross verified many prominent newspapers,but noone has mentioned his name.. Is it because he's a non-muslim????
Jul 07, 2012 02:55pm
Yep. He doubted the "sacred cow" of this mob.
Jul 05, 2012 08:28pm
just tellme what happend with the lady who use to throw garbage on prophet muhammad peace be upon him, she use to insult our beloved prophet..so what our prophet did with her..??? please do reply , why that incident happends? may be to let the future muslims to know that 'donot kill' if some one insults islam or prophet(p.b.u.h) and be more nice to those people..as our beloved prophet did and that lady converted to ISLAM...God bless Pakistan..
Jul 05, 2012 08:28pm
What I really dont understand is why Dawn has to moderate comments unless they have foul language in them. Ideas and opinions is what a blog is about. Every one needs to see that. This is what makes a nation free. Please let this comment be published. It is supposed to represent open journalism vs. dictatorial censorship. Our country needs it.
Adil Memon
Jul 06, 2012 09:02pm
well to be honest, fair enuf people have lost it morally and ethically our society is just down nd out... but for all those pakistaniz livin in pak or abroad, if u cant help us please dont redicule us :) its OUR problem isnt it? who corrects it? us? its just tht its this "social evil" which least i been going on abt for ages, its not religious extremism tht threatens pakistan its lack of social and civil values too nd just today outside masjid i saw fruit hawker and this person went slang bang over the price issue, social issue is that in london a taxi driver has respect, here u loose respect over 5 rupee, gali galoch etc i saw a police cop slap riksha driver flat on his face, and som1 working as Tesco has respect here we call em gareeb loog som1 working in a retail store, its jst tht the whole society needs a awakenin call, we are judgmental ppl, Pakistan was a dream which has been turned into a nightmare which will only get worse unless social reforms were implemented at school level to ensure our next generation is broader minded promote a better image of pakistan and Islam :) long live Pakistan nd dont point fingers ka thts wrong this wrong jus tell wht ru doing abt it? Guys lets just own pakistan just for once?
Jul 06, 2012 07:59pm
For Allah's sake, we have Clear cut orders of Allah and Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) then why are we listening others, just stick around with Islam if u really have faith in it.
Hasan Jowher
Jul 06, 2012 09:05pm
We in some states of India, too, have instances of such mobocracy, though not of this magnitude and usually not for such reasons. This results usually from the heady mixture of a failing state with falling governance and rising fundamentalism. Religiosity reduced to one-up-man-ship leads normal humans to become barbarians and deranged zealots. Alas, Malang became the unwitting source of demonstrating this truth. In solidarity with the 'anonymous' victim:
Jul 06, 2012 09:26pm
Let rationality prevail
Upar Wala Khush Hoga
Jul 06, 2012 10:01am
The majority of Pakistanis believe that Qadri was right in slaying Taseer. So the same must be condoning this case too. I am sorry to say but Dawn and NFP are very far away from true Pakistanis.
Jul 07, 2012 02:50am
well said yawar;
Jul 08, 2012 08:49am
we pakistanies have still time still it is not too late,i dont agree that pakistan is a failed state and the proof is this article and this forum,we have to fear of times when it will be prohibited as well to write our opiniens like in this forum. i hope that comming times will provide proof to pakistanies that they should apart religion from state,edeucated people are having enough of religion in every part of our society,only edeucation can change the things and people want edeucation in pakistan.i hope the things will change to better in pakistan in few years.
Jul 08, 2012 07:40am
There are religious fanatics in every part of the world but atrocities were committed only in poor countries where lawlessness is fueled by corruption. Per law, the mob that killed the mentally ill person should be prosecuted and punished. But this will never happen. Atrocities are happening because the state is unable to maintain the law and order. The state is unable to maintain law and order because it is led by corrupt people.
Amer Ali
Jul 05, 2012 12:35pm
All those shown in the pictures and video are representative of us. Some out of malice and some out of greed are cashing in on the politics and medium of hatered. Shame, shame, shame.
Jul 05, 2012 07:26pm
I feel sorry to admit that I am not a strong muslim as you and nfp but thinking myself in a situation like this I would choose not to interfere for sake of my life. I cant stop with sword or hand or pen but I do feel really angry in my heart for what happened. I am sure good muslims tried whatever possible in their means to stop it for example police officers who got injured....i am sure people from crowd may have called for help. Please dont be so judgemental about crowd. What would you have done if you were in the crowd????
Jul 05, 2012 05:30pm
Hear! hear!
Jul 07, 2012 05:04am
Muslims killing a Muslim for being a lesser Muslim....this is what has Islam has become in Pakistan
Komal S
Jul 05, 2012 12:37pm
Something terrible is happening in Pakistan everyday. wakeup!
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:11pm
Well, that's the trick isn't it? Men are weak and easily corrupted. That is aside from ignorant men who make The Religion mean whatever they want it to mean. God punishes all the son's of Ibrahim when they have gone astray. That is written! Look at the Jews.
Agama L.
Jul 11, 2012 04:24am
What a pathetic demonstration of a lack of education and knowledge...of ignorance and hate...!
Jul 07, 2012 12:53pm
i believe humanity, ethics and science is the way forward not religious dogmas; if someone really wants to blindly follow something then it is his personal matter.
Jul 07, 2012 03:28am
I suggest that there should be complete ban on the use of loud speakers outside the boundary of mosques. Whatever sermon a molvi is giving should be audible only within the boundaries of a mosque. Only azaan should be heard from the loudspeaker out of the mosque and nothing else. Lets all the political leaders of this country demand this as a law from the government.
Vishnu Dutta
Jul 05, 2012 03:06pm
God is supposed to protect us, we are not supposed to protect god. if someone says something against god then let it be between god and him. still if you want to have blasphemy laws then atleast uphold them. hang the malang if you must but atleast let it go through the judicial process. If mob justice has to be done then abolish the constitution. I understand that it is the more powerful that is taking the matters in its own hand, then again why blame america when it uses its own power.
Jul 05, 2012 11:00pm
You r a DORK. He is talking about something different here. Pity your moronic brain mised the entire point. LOL
Jul 05, 2012 11:01pm
Odd question to ask at this forum - but is it you, Utkarsh Saxena?? In any case, well put. Pakistanis need to carefully think over their future course - for their as well as everyone else's benefit.
Jul 05, 2012 06:07pm
Very well said.
Jul 05, 2012 06:04pm
It breaks my heart seeing what takes place on regular basis in the name of Islam. For those of us living in non-Muslim countries, it is increasingly difficult, when questions are raised, to try to decouple these actions from Islamic teachings. May Allah SWT have mercy on us all & give us guidance. Kamal
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 11:05pm
As king David's chariot passed along a road outside Jersusalem an angry and frustrated man threw stones at the king from the hillside. David charged his personal guard not to attack this man. As human beings many of us are like this man - angry, frustrated and unhappy. That is not a crime. + The Prophet Mohammed knew the book of the Old Testament of the Jews. Have no doubt. That was the knowledge of an educated man and wealthy man of his time (and a foundation of Islam). The Prophet was a caravan trader. He traded with the Jews of Yemen and Persia. + Elizabeth I of England said, "I will not punish my people for their religious belief, only for their deeds."
Jul 05, 2012 11:05pm
Only nations of savages have such Barbaric laws in 21st century.
Karachi Wala
Jul 05, 2012 03:32pm
"Where are we headed with leadership like that??? " It reminds me of an old advertisement of Marlboro cigarette. In this advertisement a cowboy was shown sitting in the wilderness and smoking Marlboro, with the caption underneath saying: Do you know where today's smoker is heading? Beside the caption someone wrote “To an early Grave".
Jul 05, 2012 11:08pm
same laws are implemented in Saudia Arbia and Iran, how come no body object . People of both major sect goes to these countries for pilgrimage .If you don't like these laws just boycott these countries .Just stop blaming Pakistan , now Religion should take some blame.
Jul 05, 2012 09:15pm
I am surprised why malang was mentioned as person with unstable mind!! I think most of the people in mob were unstable mind. Looking at what they are doing all who has bit of mind will become like malang looking at situation that they see. Mob will come back again and eliminate one after other these people who has bit mind till Pakistan will remain with people who are having no mind and become part of the mob. Writing comments for the blogs will not change anything... Wake up and join at tahir square....day to rebel is today and only today.... Nothing can be achieved by leaving inquilab for tomorrow.... It's not that Pakistan has problem because there is less number of educated people, there are more people who are educated than some of the countries in the world. O think more important note what type of education is being imparted... Most importan indicator I see is that educated mass is radicalized and has become part of the mob....
Jahangir Mohmand
Jul 05, 2012 11:58am
People in Pukhtoon and Baloch regions are traditional, but they are not as much religiously extremists as they are publicized... yes they hate military, but their hatred has other grounds. even if you go through history, Punjab has provided the religious leaderships for most of jihadi and other organizations, mostly involved in sectarian violence...
Jul 05, 2012 11:50am
This is a portrait of the worst traits of human society. It is difficult to believe this is 2012, and not the witch hunting 15th century. I can understand barbarism in primitive rural Pakistani Punjab, but cannot understand the silence of the plethora of so-called 'leaders' in that unfortunate country. Their silence on this incident and the social conditions that facilitate this behavior speaks volumes about Pakistan's chances of moving into the modern world in my lifetime.
Zafar Malik
Jul 05, 2012 03:36pm
Mullahs and their brain-washed followers are turnign Pakistan into a Nut-House. What a pitty.
Jul 05, 2012 03:36pm
Poverty and lack of education in Pakistan make it's people easy targets for power-hungry zealots. Now a beautiful country carries a stain on it's name. I fear nothing can save Pakistan from itself, but the passing of generations. The passage of time and the softening mists of memory combined with education, and the development of understanding and self-respect are all that can evince change now. Those who shout the loudest about honour and self-respect usually have the least.
Fiaz Ahmed
Jul 05, 2012 11:54am
something terrible is likely to happend in pakistan soon, last time when 8 people were gunned downed in punjab while they offered their fajir prayers, next day 85000 died in earthquake in kashmir.
Syed A.
Jul 05, 2012 11:52am
"May Allah save Islam from Pakistan" Well said!
Jul 05, 2012 11:50am
Sad day for Pakistan to have hit such a low!
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:32pm
In Bangladesh Love Conquers All. Anyone teaching that in Pakistan would be put to death.
Ashiq Hussain
Jul 05, 2012 11:49am
the crowd is even more of un sound mind than the poor malang
Jul 05, 2012 11:49am
All I can say "May Allah save Islam from Pakistan" Ameen
Jul 05, 2012 04:11pm
Definition of Allah by Al-Hallaz: "Before" does not outstrip Him, "after" does not interrupt Him "of" does not vie with Him for precedence "from" does not accord with Him "to" does not join with Him "in" does not inhabit Him "when" does not stop Him "if" does not consult with Him "over" does not overshadow Him "under" does not support Him "opposite" does not face Him "with" does not press Him "behind" does not limit Him "previous" does not display Him "after" does not cause Him to pass away "all" does not unite Him "is" does not bring Him into being "is not" does not deprive Him from Being. Concealment does not veil Him His pre-existence preceded time, His being preceded non-being, His eternity preceded limit. If thou sayest 'when', His existing has outstripped time; If thou sayest 'before', before is after Him; If thou sayest 'he', 'h' and 'e' are His creation; If thou sayest 'how', His essence is veiled from description; If thou sayest 'where', His being preceded space; If thou sayest 'ipseity' (ma huwa), His ipseity (huwiwah) is apart from things. Other than He cannot be qualified by two (opposite) qualities at one time; yet With Him they do not create opposition. He is hidden in His manifestation, manifest in His concealing. He is outward and inward, near and far; and in this respect He is removed beyond the resemblance of creation. He acts without contact, instructs without meeting, guides without pointing. Desires do not conflict with Him, thoughts do not mingle with Him: His essence is without qualification (takyeef), His action without effort (takleef).
Jul 05, 2012 05:56pm
ali u nailed it....pls write a blog about it
Jul 05, 2012 05:59pm
may allah save humanity from fanatical muslims..
Jul 05, 2012 11:10pm
It does seem that way now, doesn't it...
Jul 05, 2012 05:52pm
May Almighty God save Islam from Pakistan's rigid and conservatizm.
Munir Varraich
Jul 05, 2012 07:53pm
"Islam WAS a peaceful religion" then came the mullah, and "mullah's Islam" became the most violent religion preaching beheadings, whipping and hangings and HATRED under a law called "Blasphemy Law". Christianity passed through this phase during the "Inquisition" and learnt the lesson the hard way. Time to seperate religion and the state in the Muslim World. But where is the "scientist" who could rebel against the Church? Munir Varraich Sweden
Jul 05, 2012 12:23pm
Saudis have been pumping $$$ into south punjab specially and everyone knows that. This incident and others like this don't surprise me. I believe that is why our agencies don't do anything to the leaders of banned sipah sahaba and lashkar e jhangvi. They don't have any soft corner for the minority in Pakistan and they too seem follow their school of thought. Wake up Pakistanis!!!
Jul 06, 2012 05:10am
It reminds me witch hunts of medieval times. Wake up sids we are in 21st century and already sent man to Moon. You guys leave corrupt, rapists, murderers, sectarians and hate mongers free but lynch and burn an insane.
Jul 06, 2012 05:11am
Dear Ali when I say education then I know that little knowledge can be dangerous. Education definitely has to be the priority. I do not see any other better alternative. Education gives us knowledge which is important but the application of that knowledge is more important. That is where not only personal but collective effort is needed. To channel that knowledge for the betterment of society we will need honest and bold leadership and that hopefully would be among the same educated people. You can call it a dream but every big goal needs a first step.
Agha Ata
Jul 05, 2012 12:16pm
I hope Mr. Imran Khan (of PTI) reads this article and reconsider his stance to let JI joining him to form an Islamic Welfare State!
dhiraj garg
Jul 05, 2012 12:15pm
can somebody tell me the difference between urinating the corpses by american soldier and burning the dead body of "malang"?? why there is no protest in muslim community for the later act just because it is done by fellow muslims in the name of and for islam??
Jul 05, 2012 12:18pm
Well done Paracha! There's still more to come out of "the land of the pure" in this regard. Just wait and watch as to what heights our faith reaches in the "love" of God and the hatred of the very Creation (the human being) God is so proud of to name the "Ashraf-ul-Makhlooqat" (the best among the Creation). keep up the good work.
Jul 06, 2012 05:20am
Get me Good Muslim, Bad Muslim in fact any Muslim who says he doesn’t understand Islam. Every one of them has their own interpretation of Islam; they even quote few lines from Quran which support their stance. Wake up bro you don’t need to read scriptures or someone to interpret to be a Human.
Jul 05, 2012 12:17pm
This is exhibitionism at its cruel and mindless worst. These people think this is the way to show their ishq and each such incident will only incite the next one of greater brutality. Till the institutions of society i.e. media, judiciary, politicians stand up and condemn the crazed murderers and bring killers of shias, ahmadis etc to book this cycle of violence will keep spiraling up
Jul 06, 2012 09:49pm
Murder in the name of Allah.cong. To Dawn team for covering the incident.many incidents are ignored by media.punjab govt should resign.where is our khadim a alla.? May be sleeping in his air conditioned room.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:30pm
Religions are not intolerant. Men are intolerant.
Jul 05, 2012 11:46am
Through out history more people have been killed in the name of religion than by natural calamity/disaster. A balance-sheet of religion is long overdue.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:14pm
Out of fear, because they are afraid to confront them? These men doing wrong were not taught as they should have been. Because Allah is merciful they don't need to be.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:27pm
When the Abbasids overcame the Umayyads, they covered the bodies of the dead with rugs and held a feast over the bodies in a display of vengeance. + "The Other Islam" is about empowerment not compassion. The Prophet Mohammed is seen today as conqueror, not as a compassionate man.
Jul 06, 2012 07:32pm
Dear Pracha, you are a brave person. Be careful. Society has gone mad. Americans through Saudis and Salfi Mullas and Madrassas in Pakistan are trying their best to make Pakistan a theocratic state. An experiemntal lab. for the implementation of Wahabi Shria subservient to American-Saudi Political interest in the region.
Jul 05, 2012 12:08pm
sick nation...sicker people !
Jul 05, 2012 02:22pm
Some points highlighted in this article could be valid e.g extremism, I agree. But the real problem in Pakistan is poverty, lack of education, lack of all the basic needs of life, application of law, and blind justice for all. When all these things are prevalnet then it is very easy for Mullas, liberal extremists, or even so called moderates in any form politicians or no politicians, to easily mislead and manipulate common people and play with their emotions. For Pakistan to prosper Education and only Education should be the moto of any reasonable person or organisation.
dhiraj garg
Jul 05, 2012 12:07pm
summary of the article -"May Allah save Islam from Pakistan". Thanks and congratulations for raising voice against this madness. Hope and wish you take care of yourself while continuing to raise your voice against this.
Jul 05, 2012 11:45am
Pakistan is fast becoming a crazed and overzealous society where people like NFP are the endangered species. In a country where the judiciary openly fetes killers there can be no hope.
Jul 05, 2012 11:43am
My comments are rarely published by Dawn; mostly because I usually point out that all laws and human conduct should be based on logical notions and not religion. Bluntly, whether or not Islam (or any other religion) is a religion of peace may be a contentious issue, and if people could see that God is not reached through dogma and blind faith, the world, including Pakistan would be a much better place.
S Bandyopadhay
Jul 05, 2012 03:13pm
I guess even Arabs are not as fanatic a muslim as Pakistanis are. Its ironic that a half breed society (both racially and culturally) left behind by the Arab / Turks invaders have become more a fierce defender of the faith which was forced down the end of a sword by the original warlords.
Jul 06, 2012 05:25am
Cent percent agree, RAW hired the insane CIA bankrolled the Police while MOSSAD instigated the mob to commit this crime.
T Ahmed
Jul 05, 2012 03:19pm
Masood Hussain
Jul 05, 2012 05:52pm
Reading debates on blasphemmy killings of non-muslims and sometime of muslims since I came to uner stand the subject, no govt or any body in authority has tried to do any thing positive to eradicate this menance.They make speeches, write blogs ,write commentaries accuse mullah and religious parties but will not rise against this extreme form jahalat When anex chief justice who retire recently from his jobcould be hired to defend a killer of ex- governor on the pretext of blasphemy what else could be expected.
Jul 05, 2012 05:49pm
I thought non-muslims aren't permitted in Mecca.
Jul 05, 2012 08:11pm
The TRUE followers of Quran & Sunnah is a single group and that shall remain small and shall remain till the day......go find it....
Jul 06, 2012 09:38am
It's amazing that how negatively people have reacted to this particular post which so rightly points out the core of all the problems related to "intolerance" and "extremism" !!
Sajai Paul
Jul 05, 2012 08:04pm
Dhiraj, not to nitpick but there is a difference and both are not analogous. The bodies were of those who were already dead, but here a live person was killed. Another fantastic work, NFP. Seems to be straight from your heart.
Jul 05, 2012 08:50pm
This is not different from the description of Brahman (Hindu equivalent of Allah) given in the ancient Upanishads. Not sure why people fight over religion.
Jul 07, 2012 02:51pm
As in Kashmir.
Jul 05, 2012 09:17pm
I am surprised why malang was mentioned as person with unstable mind!! I think most of the people in mob were unstable mind. Looking at what they are doing all who has bit of mind will become like malang looking at situation that they see. Mob will come back again and eliminate one after other these people who has bit mind till Pakistan will remain with people who are having no mind and become part of the mob.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:19pm
"A carpetbagger and a legend in his own mind." Certainly a man of high degree.
S Ali
Jul 05, 2012 09:20pm
You have just proved why we need Pakistan by referring to us as half breeds! ethnically we have more in common with northern Indians then northern Indians have with southern Indians you fascist scum! By the way are all Euro's also half breeds as they also follow a ME religion? Expect a Hindu to be obsessed about race & cast!!
Jul 06, 2012 06:22pm
A Wise man once said : When Gods wish to destroy someone..They first make them mad. At the very end of this excellent article, a footnote by the publishers of this newspapers mention: "The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group." This clearly indictates how scared even the media is in Pakistan, to come forward and stand behind an excellent piece of journalism. Rajagopal India.
Jul 06, 2012 11:28am
What pakistan has to do with the killing of person?
Jul 05, 2012 10:43pm
Inna Lillah e Wa Inna Elahe Rajeoon!!!! What is Imran Khan's stance on this madness? What is the Punjab government and Federal government doing about it? Have the superior courts, that take suo moto notice of everything that happens, done any thing about it? My questions are rhetorical. I am trying to prove a point. When the courts let people walk who have confessed to killing of hundreds of people, this is what is going to happen. Pakistan is a failed country and a failed society, and Pakistanis are a heartless and shameless nation of hypocrites. May God have mercy on the few sane people left there.
Jul 05, 2012 08:51pm
You forgot the Ugandans ;)
Jul 05, 2012 08:54pm
insanity and intolerence prevails!
Jul 05, 2012 08:58pm
Yes and when ever he had problems at home he used to visit Mumbai's 5 star hotel to enjoy himself..I am sure us should do good by using dron target him and miss him by few miles, this would help him to become suicide killer as he seems to be next in line to visit India or Afghanistan
Jul 05, 2012 09:51pm
Unfortunately we are living in a country with no mind. However, media is also shows total bad of one side. I am not justfying this act, but i have a question from Dawn news that how much they covered egyption lady Marwa killed in Germon court in front of many peoples?. How many articles did you write on her or against the killer? or recent riots in Mayanmar against muslims? Why all newspaper ONLY cover the bad of muslims. No doubt that this act can't be justified, But media should also show their role as neutral player. Thanks
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 10:50pm
" Everyone lies. Everyone cheats, and Love does not conquer all." SWIMMING WITH SHARKS. + Prove yourselves to Allah, not to other men. You were not born to this earth to live up to other peoples' expectations of you. Poetry will not save you. You must save yourselves. If Noah is your prophet, find out if he is building an Ark for Pakistan. Allah may be getting very angry with you. Very angry. Allah hates a coward, but he also hates men and women of no understanding. The Prophet Mohammed gave us moral rules to live by, but we must think for ourselves to be able to use them properly. When we follow the crowd, we learn to set people on fire. Set your souls on fire.
Jul 06, 2012 06:59pm
instead of listening mindless speeches of mullahs of all kind we should listen what social scientists like dr Mubarak ali says about our problems. We all should study social sciences & should ask about our problems from social scientists. Our intellectual level will rise & we could understand & resolve our issues more better.
Jul 05, 2012 08:57pm
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:45pm
Those things are done out of frustration. Any psychologist can tell you frustration explodes into angry and violence. When it explodes into violence people have no control of themselves. These villagers' interpretation of Islam is that it gives them (superior men) the right for the hammer to fly off the handle.
Jul 05, 2012 09:39pm
Wonderfully written from the core of your heart.I wish we had Indian journalists like you who would use their pen to try to change the society in a positive way and not just practice journalism for sake of cheap viewership. I am a huge fan of urs.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:38pm
You are absolutely correct, and in Karachi the rich and powerful use these killers for their own purposes. Surely God at least loves the drama. Iran Khan knows how to play the game because when one enters the world of organized crime one lives for today because tomorrow might never come. The weak and the corrupt are not the same animal.
Jul 06, 2012 05:13pm
Close down all religious seminaries and open maximum number of mental hospitals. Then all madness will vanish and pakistanis will become normal.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 10:52pm
The Mahdi rose in the Sudan at the end of the 18th century and he must still be there.
Jul 06, 2012 11:15am
Worst happened to Islam was the approach you have. When people from other religions are living peacefully and prospering so well that you are forced to go to them for a better life then how can you say that. Start respecting the other religions as you do Islam. most of the problem will be sorted out,
Jul 05, 2012 10:58pm
What a country, shameless, corrupt and hopeless. Beyond repair. I see so many here saying may Allah save us, again and again and again. Maybe you should read Chritina Lambs book written years ago aptly named Waiting for Allah. Pakistan is waiting for Allah. The funny thing is he isnt coming. And He is not gonna save us. Stop this delusional thinking of may Allah =save us. Dont we get it? He"s GIVEN up. Even He has not the ability to SAVE US. We arent worth saving if we even kill mentally ill malangs this way. Its a curse. Please Publish Dawn. As a Pakistani I gave up years ago.
Jul 07, 2012 03:17pm
@ blue. Wouldn't it make you a better person if you replace the word "Muslim" with "Human Being".
Jul 17, 2012 06:08pm
Everything is a conspiracy when it comes to Pakistani Muslims.
Jul 05, 2012 11:39am
Why have all other major parties other than PPP been shown as somehow sympathetic towards religious extremism, and the pPP a victim??? Why not just stick to the main topic? Instead NFP has to forward his political agenda even in this sad story.
Syed A.
Jul 05, 2012 11:51am
I think you should read the article instead of commenting by just seeing the pictures. NFP has clearly castigated the current government for failing to stop this madness.
Jul 05, 2012 02:52pm
Were you by any chance part of the mob?
Jul 05, 2012 12:39pm
May Allah save Pakistan from "self proclaimed muslims".
Jul 05, 2012 12:38pm
Wednesday was 4th of July. Please correct!
Jul 05, 2012 06:16pm
Thank you, yet again, NFP for bringing such a critical issue to light, yet again. How many times have we all voiced our opinions to at least have a legitimate dialogue about the "blasphemy law"? How many innocent people have to die before we care? How can we and our elected leaders continue to adopt this barbaric posture and continue to side with such ignorance? How can we as human beings (and Muslims) allow our fellow mankind to suffer? If only we had the rule of law on our side, we the people may actually have a had a chance. I fear, we have passed the point of no return. We claim to have a rich and powerful heritage and we behave like hooligans and uncultured bigots. Shame on us. Shame on us.
Jul 06, 2012 09:37am
Very valid point indeed...Photographs need to be printed with copy right caption as media is very skillful at manipulating graphic and video images !!!
Jul 05, 2012 06:11pm
Mansoor Hullaj stands at the highest peak of humanism.....words cannot explain his self Usman Harooni wrote: Manam Usman Harooni k yarey sheikh mansoorey mulamat mee kunand khalqey sirey bazar mee raqsam it is in persian and Usman Harooni was the PeerOmurshad of Hazrat Khawja Moeenuddin Chishti Ajmeri. Sufis were tolerant and are tolerant and believe in co-existence and love humanity.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 10:03pm
Read the book, THE OXBOW INCIDENT or see the film. People can easily understand it. Every mob has a headman, a leader, or a few righteous men who are the judges who condemn others. Some are used to giving orders while others are used to following them.
Arshad Kazmi
Jul 05, 2012 09:03pm
A classic case of profound national mental retardation and borderline intellectual functioning of all branches of Government.
Jul 06, 2012 04:35pm
yes i agree Rehan...all the time they keep on talking humanity and rational thinking...this is so equal to what the mob did. yours, innocent apologist
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:57pm
Murdering people is not the soldiers' code. When it happens it is usually done out of frustration because they can't find the enemy to hit them back. Enlisted men who join the army are not noted for their moral character. Each individual must choose his own fate. Predestination is a discredited idea in every religion. How are we picked to go to Paradise without proving ourselves to God first? Only special people are. That is why this is an egocentric idea. If "it was written" then those Marines should be excused. However US Marines are totally brain washed during their basic and advanced infantry training to be the same superior men Muslim peasants are.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 09:05pm
"and began to beat him with fists, kicks, iron rods and sticks." "Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me, and I shall dwell in the House of the Lord forever." (23rd Psalm)
Jul 07, 2012 04:25am
Power of Majority the strongest. Strange that Paracha wrote this!!! Non muslims are more powerful and so this tyrants become Ostrich in their case. Point is only God is Judge and Judiciary of the country....taking Law in hand and incite for wrong acts is Unislamic
Jul 05, 2012 10:02pm
Ok, granted this was a heinous act and frankly, one that is utterly condemnable. Then, from all other accounts he was a deranged man but hardly a vagabond. Speaking of vagabonds it was ZAB who started this whole nonsense of currying favors with the fundo's when he declared the Ahmedis non-muslims. Look, you can shed all the nicotene laced tears you wish the fact remains most these people would likely desist from killings and burnings if they had a means of labor and earn a paycheck. Its funny how a full stomach brings out the moral brigade!
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 10:07pm
These leaders of the mob are anxious to earn their tickets to Paradise by following the orders of Allah Himself, Who passed them down to Osman the Third Caliph of Damascus.
Miss Good Muslim
Jul 05, 2012 10:16pm
Are you done with your gibberish? Hope so
Rizwan Hamid
Jul 05, 2012 10:26pm
I have said it before, I will say it again. Only problem is, DAWN administration does not have the guts to publish my comments because they do not conform to their religious views that create the lynching mobs. Religion is the biggest curse of humanity. Until people give up religion, they will never live in peace.
Tahir Chaudhry
Jul 05, 2012 05:06pm
I can’t say about the Muslims but the American press showed the pictures of Marines involved in this shameful act time and again. Both acts are disgraceful and should be condemned. Thanks Mr. Paiacha, for trying to mellow down these so called Muslims.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 10:33pm
We are the ones who read these words. We are not the ones who wrote them. Allah is veiled to all men, as He created all men. + "Desires do not conflict with Him" Buddha did not live at the same time as the Prophet Mohammed, but he lived at the same time as God. Buddha did not see religion as a competition. He saw it as a mercy. Buddha said, " Desire binds us to the Wheel of Life." Our desires rules us, men and women, and our reach at the automobile market exceeds our grasp. Will a man kill others or poison his elder brother to be rich? Christians believe every man and woman is a sinner who must seek God's redemption. Even the Jews have a Day of Atonement for their sins. A man who does not sin is a shameless man. Buddha and other philosophers have advised us to curb our desires to avoid trouble in this world. God wrote as a Commandment, "you shall not covet "(desire) another man's goods or his wife or his land (or his Bentley).
S Ali
Jul 05, 2012 09:29pm
Terrible as this incident is & Pakistani's need to deal with it at least it's not as bad as in great parts of India such as Punjab, UP or Gujarat where for Sikhs in the 80's and Muslims in the 90's was akin to Nazi Germany. We have religious nuts on the edge of our society, yours run the country (Swami Modi makes these lot seem like babies and the Waffen SS (Shiv Sena) make JI etc like the scouts)
Jul 05, 2012 07:45pm
This is NOT my beloved religion Islam. These people were animals, who have no emotions and have no value of human life. Such a thing can only happen in Pakistan, and rarely in ANY other muslim country. WHY? Because our Pakistani nation is full of illiterate, uneducated people who call themselves muslims. As much as I'm proud of being a muslim, I'm equally ashamed of calling myself a Pakistani.
Jul 05, 2012 07:44pm
If pakistan is to be secular then what was the point of creating this historical disaster pakistan. Lets face it a democratic, secular, undivided and non- aligned Hind is best!
Jul 05, 2012 07:45pm
No one is above the law only courts are the place. Let alone killing anyone in cold blood whatever the reason is, it is totally wrong. Crimes like these happen all over the world and I am not defending this act all by this. I mean that those who have committed this crime and killed that person needed to be brought to justice. Islam has nothing do with that killing. If someone thinks that it is Islamic to kill that person or any other human being, they are wrong. Pakistan has a law and order situation and this government has no plans to fix it. Pakistan needs to provide basic law and order services to all her citizens irrespective of their religion and culprits should be punished irrespective of their religion.
Munir Varraich
Jul 05, 2012 07:41pm
Islam as religion and Muslims as a nation are under going the same phase which Christianity and the Christians went through at around the same age -- 1400 years, in Europe. “Inquisition” and the like. Or the passage of 1400 years after Moses, Jews also underwent a similar mindset- Human being -- “the ashraf ul makhlooqat” sinking to the depths. This cycle of 1400 years of religion is very interesting. That is the time that the followers of the religion, distort the belief system and the essence is lost. Human Species touch the other extreme. It is around that time that “prophets are raised”, that phenomenon can be called a collective reaction of the human genes or in religous terms it can be said that God out of HIs Mercy on this “creature” sends “A Man of God” to re-establish the concept of Absolute MOrality. 1400 years have already passed when the Quran was revealed to Mankind on Prophet Mohamad (saw). The condition of the followers of Islam, the Muslim World, has already touched its nadir. If religious history is any guide then God should have sent “A Man of God” by now or maybe earlier. It is most unfortunate that the Muslim Mindset is now totally blocked. The only way to come out of this is to accept that “there is a continuity of supranatural revelation” and the words “Khatamun Nabiyeen” must have a different meaning than what the mullah has been teaching the Muslim Mindset. Take this belief away and there is no “Blasphemy Law”, not in Pakistan and not in any other Muslim country. The “Inquisition” which has been going on for now almost 100 years in the Muslim World, its not the stakes but much worse -- slaughtering, beatings, whippings of women, hangings and even burning -- all in the name of Islam and Quran. The scenes are also similar to the times of “Inquisition” in Europe. The public witnesses all this animal like behaviour of the human species and gets a sadistic pleasure out of it. Needless to narate the beheadings taking place in Saudi Arabia, or the slaughtering being done by the Talibans or the recent video in which a woman is being whipped publically. Mr.Piracha is brave enough to point out many thingsin his articles about the Mullah, the generals, the politicians and the so called “intellectual class” of Pakistan. The mullah has long declared him a heretic and liable to be tried under the Blasphemy Law of Pakistan”! Munir Varraich Sweden
Jul 07, 2012 04:35am
Why...? To perform Hajj is their personal matter and they are supposed to keep Ego apart. Now those have money accumulated by any means go for this Sacred duty and when they come back they start old routine. Ganga(maili) me nahaya!
Jul 05, 2012 07:28pm
Ameen to your friend's prayer...thanks NFP
Jul 05, 2012 07:21pm
He should not write for Urdu dailies. May he live long and strong.
Gerry D'Cunha
Jul 05, 2012 07:09pm
I often hear comments on TV 'Islam is a peaceful religion'- is it really true after one hears what is happing in Pakistan daily and recently. It has bought shame on its believers. Open your eyes 'Muslims' and take an examples of other religions who do not harp their tune. It is a fact that there are more peace in Christian countries than Muslim countries. I guess my comments might not be published.
Jul 05, 2012 07:10pm
May Pakistan be saved by secularism like Bangladesh
Jul 06, 2012 09:25am
DAWN has it's own version of Islam that it is promoting . It is totally intolerant when it comes to views that are against it's policy
An Indian View
Jul 06, 2012 09:26am
I must say that mob mentality is not limited to Pakistan, in India we have many incidents where upper cast mobs have lynched Dalits for minor offense such as liking a higher cast women or beating up an upper cast member in a dispute. I want all the Indians who are posting comments here to realize that in India we have worst kind of barbarism that is not new and will not go away ever. At least moslem people do not hate you unless you bother them but in India our upper cast hindus hate you just because you were born in a lower cast family. Really shame!
Jul 05, 2012 07:07pm
Pakistani society by n large is not worthy of Islam as there is nothing Islamic about it! Even the atheists, Kafirs, passives are are more tolerant and forgiving than those who live in the land of the pure. Hang all those religious bigots lock up all the mosques until the country is cleansed.
Muhammad K
Jul 05, 2012 07:06pm
I really appreciate your one line comment, we need education, and only education to rebuilt our Pakistani society. 99% do not know about average Islamic knowledge and basic of science knowledge. I think only a strong Pak Military SINCERE government can initiate a good administration in Pakistan by demolishing feudal structure in one blow.
Jul 06, 2012 04:56pm
I am a Hindu and I honestly don't think that my religion needs a puny man like me to defend it. It has been around for over 3000 years before me and it will be around long after I have gone. If somebody commits blasphemy, as far as I am concerned, it is his problem. (BTW, this is my personal opinion.)
Jul 06, 2012 09:27am
It must have made Allah also shed a tear or two .
Jul 05, 2012 07:02pm
As usual, well said Mr. Paracha. It is madness for sure. Even during the partition people with unstable or unsound were left alone by Muslim gangs. I guess some Pakistanis are reaching a new level of "nirvana".
Jul 05, 2012 07:02pm
The reason why these people are able to do what they do. Is because the so called secular people in Pakistan have no voice. They choose to stand by and do nothing. You are one of them pointing fingers at others while remaining silent yourself. Kamal Attaturk did not do what he did alone he knew his nation was there to support him. This is what they wanted. I dont see a rally out there against the blasphemy law by the so called sane people. OH! thats righ they are sitting in their drawing rooms pointing fingers at others and wishing someone else could come in with a magic wand.
Mohammad Ali Khan
Jul 05, 2012 06:59pm
Muslim practices can put any mushrik to shame.As long as fanatic beliefs are part of the mainstream Muslims,decay will continue. Time for all the Muslims to reevaluate their beliefs.
ali ahmed
Jul 05, 2012 06:52pm
mulim fight and dies for religion..but never follows the religion
Gerry D'Cunha
Jul 05, 2012 06:45pm
I often hear comments on TV 'Islam is a peaceful religion'- is it really true after one hears what is happing in Pakistan daily and recently. It has bought shame on its believers. Open your eyes 'Muslims' and take an examples of other religions who do not harp their tune. It is a fact that there are more peace in Christian countries than Muslim countries. I guess my comments might not be published.
Jul 05, 2012 06:40pm
When NFP writes for the urdu daily, HE is going to be the mad man story, so I dont thnk so :)
Jul 05, 2012 06:38pm
As long as murderer of Salman Taseer is enjoying the VI P treatment in lockup,these barbarian people will continue to do what they are doing in the name of religion.The judiciary instead of wasting their time on political issues must pay attention to religious atrocities carried out in our land of pure.
Jul 05, 2012 06:34pm
The only way to get Rid of the law is to ask the Saudi's to convince the Pakistani people that this is not what the Quran says.... the madness will stop.
Amer Ali
Jul 06, 2012 12:51pm
Rest assured, Zero, Karachi has its share of criminals, but NONE can be expected to slaughter another human in the name of Allah or his religion. Money, greed and politics yes, but not on the basis of faith. That, unfortunately, remains to be quite a Punjab phenomenon.
Jul 06, 2012 01:13pm
understood. i was saying some people may have been in wrong place at wrong time but not necessarily supporting the act.
Jul 06, 2012 09:31am
How about publishing something about Secular extremism ... ?
Jul 06, 2012 03:39pm
Your religious leaders are RETARDED,and soon all the citizens will be
Irfan Khan
Jul 05, 2012 06:22pm
A mob of retarded, subhuman filth , like this one in punjab, is the result of frustration by daily problems of load shedding , price hikes and road blocks for access to justice and lack of proper universal education, as a member of civilized community.when such a restarted mob with subhuman religious faith commit such acts , it is called Mobocracy , one of the biggest threat to Modern secular Democracy. Irfan Khan
Jul 06, 2012 09:34am
NFP is probably the most visionary journalist of the century... suffering from tunnel vision , i.e., :-)
Jul 05, 2012 02:23pm
Definitely an eye opener !!! But what if ppl don't know the difference between openening their eyes and being dazed by mirages? Sad state of affairs!
Jul 07, 2012 03:04pm
A nations is defined by the way its people behave.
Jul 05, 2012 04:25pm
Thanks to those Punjabi Amirulmomineen brothers!
Jul 06, 2012 09:59am
You can do. You change your self and change few more who thinks like you. There are no Anti Pakistani forces behind it.So stop blaming the world for everything happned in Pakistan.
Jul 06, 2012 10:41pm
learnt from the best? our neighbours? quite a paradoxical comment there Mr. Saad... first of all to learn an evil is hardly something of an achievement now, is it? and then neighbours? historically we've been worst enemies at worse and at best trying to construct a civil partnership for mutual economic benefits.... so crimes against humanity can be justified, in the case you rest? do weigh your thoughts before putting pen to paper... or fingers to keys as the case may be!
Jul 06, 2012 10:40pm
Dear Virendra Kaul, I do not see anyother reasonable alternative than education to change that mind set. At least with education people can explore and look for sensible independent options rather than being fooled by other people.
Jul 06, 2012 10:34pm
I beg to differ.. the only reason it appears that such crimes are on the decrease in the other provinces is only because they are not recorded anywhere, let alone reported and followed through.. at-least in Punjab the level of education is considerably higher, and law and order somewhat more independent of the waderas so such incidents are brought out in the open... the atrocities in Sindh and Balochistan in particular supported wholly by the corrupt politicians would put the worst of extremists to shame.... a Sindhi!
Jul 06, 2012 10:13pm
So Pakis are the Saudi's bitches? Sure Pakistan can convince the Saudi's to let their women drive their cars. Surely, cars were not mentioned in the Quran. Seems like the Saudis found the link between donkey carts and cars.
Jul 06, 2012 11:02am
Who told you that,JI or DPC how many commual riots you can name india .Only one against Sikh which was not even communal but political as congress was responsible for it. 1992 riots - Both Hindu and Muslim died. Gulrat riots - Started with Godhra riots followed by riots in Gujrat . total 3 in last 40 years . last some 10 years ago Why cant you see that a Sikh is a PM of this country, A Muslim is VP , CJ and a christian is most powerful leader in largest political party . Muslim star are at peak in bollywood. Muslim's have lead the the country in most popular game of the country and there are leading businessman who are Muslim and Sikh. India give equal opportunity to every body regardless of its religion. Can you say the same about Pakistan?
Jul 06, 2012 10:56am
Another thought provoking article by NFP, Keep the good work going mate. In a way, its good that a insane man was put of out of his misery of living on street with no medical / personal care and being at the mercy of others. But my heart goes to the man for the way he went. It is heart wrecking to image what would be going through that mans head when he was being lynched. He wouldnt even have a clue of why is this happening to him. He lived as a malang with no one to care him except GOD and he didnt take care of him in this life. Damn with you God if you now don't offer this guy 72 virgins. Dont waste your virgins on those who come to you by killing hundreds in the name of Islam....
Ayaz Ahmed Siddiqui
Jul 06, 2012 10:55am
I really wish that NFP's columns were published in Urdu as well so the general populace can have access to it. And for that matter I really hope that Dawn's entire coverage and multimedia was also accessible in Urdu. The general trend in Pakistan is that Journalism in the English medium is usually considered Far left and Journalism in Urdu is generally considered Far right. Also the opinions and the audience of both mediums reflect there political lenience. I hardly find an alternative or lets say 'conservative' side of view in the Dawn newspaper and that is my only criticism of such points of views. This is of course not to say in the least that I support the Barbaric acts done in the name of religion in any way. But when both sides of the coin are represented in the media a more objective, holistic and true picture of events can be painted. This can also lead to a bigger debate when it comes to political lenience and polarization of the society. The label Far left or Far right are construed in to a situation where no matter what the story is, it will always come to a conclusion from a FAR LEFT or a FAR RIGHT point of view when instead merits from both sides of the picture must be taken to form a clear unbiased and an objective opinion. I really hope you read this NFP. I am a fan.
Jul 06, 2012 10:53am
looking at the present state of mind of muslims in pakistan i pray YOU STAY AS YOU ARE RIZWAN... we are thankful that you are not hindu anymore.
Jul 06, 2012 10:52am
The True God(TG) is beyond above most human attributes. The only exception is that TG wants us to be kind to all beings and do good to all beings when we can afford to do so, even if it pinches our pockets. TG does not need our worship, our prayers, our pilgrimages, our material sacrifices and similar things as TG is above it all. TG does not get insulted if a scripture is burnt or desecrated. Only humans are capable of insulting and being insulted. TG does not care. But it would be safe to assme that TG wants to be good to one another. Because if TG did not want us to be good to one another TG would not be worth worshiping.
Jul 06, 2012 10:44am
i would have choosed to abstain from that crowd..
Jul 06, 2012 10:45am
Do you want me to publish the list of fanatic brutalities by BJP and SS in the name of Hinduism??? The religions are not to be blamed, only the people abusing and manipulating them should be!!!
Jul 06, 2012 04:50pm
NFP thrusting his opinion? and not telling the heart wrenching news of what this animals did to the poor soul. wah ji wah kya rational batein karte hu.
Jul 06, 2012 12:20pm
Even Islam can't escape the dark shadows of Pakistan.
Mohammad Ashfaq
Jul 06, 2012 10:33am
some people in comments suggesting that mobs are more insane than malaang. I really dont understand even if malaang showed disrespect to anything related to religion, does it needed to take his life for that? Are people here suggesting that one should be killed for showing his/her disrespect towards ANYTHING. Is our "god" so intolerant?
Irfan Husain
Jul 06, 2012 10:28am
Another day, another atrocity committed in the name of Islam...
Jul 06, 2012 10:00am
saeed@Here is one for your love of mullah and your hatred for west. Pakistan need a destruction in which mullah is totally wiped out along with their lovers. and how come you are so blind in your hate that you can't see the connection here.
Ejaz Butt
Jul 06, 2012 10:28am
First of all congratulations to the writer for writing a such fine article. I live in England and fortunately left Pakistan in 1986. This incident is beyond my belief and the Human/Humane values I hold. I am lost for words as when I read this piece of news, I wept and my heart is still aching with the grief. Put yourself into the shoes of that MALLANG; I can not comprehend the agony and pain endured by that poor soul. Pakistan is becoming a fanatic state rapidly. Muslims and non Muslims are not safe in that country. The only hope for that country is people like Fareed Paracha and people like me who have condemned this barbaric act in the loudest words and I am pleased a majority of Muslims like myself have condemened this insane act. This deontes the fact that sainty and rationality still prevails in Muslim mind; neverthless, a minority with a gang land thugry mind and at the point of the gun has besieged the majority of good men and women of Pakistan. Everyone needs to do JIHAD in that country to eradicate that part of the world from such bafoons who are working against the humanity.
Jul 06, 2012 10:25am
Exit IK and PML(N) and it's peace and harmoney all around again.
Jul 06, 2012 10:12am
if a crowd of thousands had gone for a feaudal landlord, how would the police have reacted?
Halagu Khan
Jul 06, 2012 10:11am
Pakistan Needs more Islam. All this terror, Bomb blasts & Corruption is because the people are not Islamic enough. First on the line of accountability and Piety should be the whiskey swirling Jernails along with rich Punjabi landlords. their women not cover themselves and bringing shame to Bakistan. Pakistan = Citadel of Izlam = Sword of Islam
Jul 07, 2012 03:11pm
We are going to the path of complete madness and destruction and this could only be averted if the alliance between the religious fanatics and military establishment is broken.
sattar rind
Jul 07, 2012 02:22pm
well written. but you i think missed the most important event that ex chief justice- some one Sharif of Lahore high court also issued a statement that Ex Governor Tasir's killer did outstanding work and/or saved Islam.
Jul 07, 2012 02:08pm
This IS Pakistan and HAS BEEN from day one. Sad that it took 65 years for people like you to realize it. Even then, Dher Ayat, dharust Ayat.
El Cid
Jul 09, 2012 02:57pm
You have disproved your own argument. Islam jurisprudence requires a judge, witnesses, process, sequential procedure. Every step has to be proven before the next can be taken. There is no “Blasphemy Law”: NOT in the Noble Qur'an. NOT in Shariah Law. What is demonstrated here is mob rule...a mob of ignorant people. Both are discouraged and unpleasant to Allah. To verify all rumors, and not spread them is a specific command of Allah in the Noble Qur'an. This mob has in its actions repudiated the Noble Qur'an and the teachings of The Prophet. In addition, an accidental sacrilege of the Qur'an by a sane person can be atoned by two months of fasting or feeding the poor for a similar period. A deliberate one is an 'Act of War', to be rationally responded to. Further, the Insane, children, handicapped, frail elderly--all exempt form even this atonement. The children, mentally handicapped are specifically protected. [PS: “Islamist” is no word but a concocted meme. And my ancestry is recorded and authenticated every generation and handed down for the past 1400years. There is no Hindu or Indian there. Thank God.]
Jul 07, 2012 02:14pm
Pakistan needs education reforms. What is being taught in schools and Madarsahs is Lies to inject hatred in the young minds.
Gerald Singh
Jul 07, 2012 10:39am
I AM ALIVE I AM ALIVE The destructive ideology of Zia is still alive. Zia can be seen in the court verdicts Zia can be seen in the school text book. Zia reflects everywhere. I can see him in hazara killings I can see him in public silence. I can see him in fanatic slogans He is alive in discriminatory laws. Zia is alive and the lunatic legacy will be carried forward. Oh you Zia though your empty shrine is a hollow lie, but your eyes have incarcerated in the court of law and saying I was alive, I am alive and I will live forever and ever. Ruthless and diabolical actions dies, but repercussion remains dangerous and returns back vigorously, just to say "I am alive"
Jul 07, 2012 12:47pm
Who was this Malang?The answer lies in that one word,further down,the mob revealed he was one who was known to be 'Asqik(lover) of Mansur Al-Hallaj.Just goggle Munsur Al-Hallaj,and you can make a sense of the mob fury.We are living in information age,Even I did not know about this great sufi Saint.He is very interesting personality for the age in which he lived and the end he met,it was as bad as the end this Malang met,the difference,one incidence happened in 934 A.D. and this one in july 2012,both are very depraved act committed by over jealous pious men.Go figure,this is what we have come or not come since 934,it is matter of opinion,nothing to hang your hat on,but makes it possible to understand.Religion in the mind of some can be harmful to some folks.Nadeem,gives you clue,and even ancient painting,all you need is pc and willingness to use fingers usefully,another matter of opinion,you can use fingers for other use too,if you understand what I mean,never mind.Some other day,good day.
Jul 09, 2012 01:41am
El Cid is busy doing his stuff in Spain, to keep the Alhambra open and crowing over the past, having given up on future, LOL!!
Jul 09, 2012 01:46am
God help those who help themselves!
zohaib kaimkhani
Jul 07, 2012 12:03pm
well done sir ,actually u unmask the true face of those people who consider themselves the so called (thakadar) of islam .But sir i dont agree with those friends who say ,May Allah save islam from pakistan because pakistan has nthng to do with islam .but as for as pakistanis are concernned i m reluctant to say anything.anywz keep it up
Jul 09, 2012 10:12am
Moderation is principled and rational. What you have noted is censorship to protect the weak article, slant the conversation, and curb the dissenting voice of ideas and opinion. Should yo praise the author you will be heard. But if you criticise, you will be shut out. Most anybody can figure it out after awhile.
El Cid
Jul 09, 2012 11:46am
Yeah...from the frying pan into the fire.
Jul 08, 2012 05:27pm
Look up history and then talk about Jazziya tax. Islam, purist or Sufism or whatever word you want to annotate to it, believes in equality and since Muslims were obligated to pay Zakat, non-Muslims were asked to pay tax. As for persecutions, a little lesson down the history in needed. This has happened in all religions and societies.. But apparently your research and study is either limited or nitpicked...
Jul 08, 2012 05:16pm
So very true Mansur. A hypocritical Saudi society that lives in shrouded secrecy shamefully has much to hide... and of course protect their thrones. The only way they will do this is keep Pakistan under the weight and influence of their petrodollars and with the literacy rate and the open-mindedness - or the lack thereof- we suffer from, it's no surprise that the common junta is acting like they are...
Jul 08, 2012 04:32pm
probably that why you guys are killing sufis.
Jul 08, 2012 04:34pm
Saad, it is time for introspection... and stop blaming everyone but self. And as for learning, obviously you picked to learn from whoever. There are a lot of other sources to learn from, particularly your Prophet but you decided to learn from elsewhere. I am from Pak. too apparently - and if I may add, sadly - not the same Pak. It is time you guys wake up instead of being passing the blame around.
Jul 08, 2012 04:26pm
yea and who burned charar-e-sharif? you are only fooling yourself.
Jul 08, 2012 10:31am
So disturbing and shameful but surely the police have an obligation to track down the ring leaders and subject them to the full force of the law. However, we are descending rapidly into the mob rule culture where nothing will ever touch these kaffirs - yes, the mob are all kaffirs and we should make sure they face justice. The squinty eyed Mr Magoo, the so called chief justice will do nothing but take suo moto action and sit on his hands. I used to support Imran Khan but that love too has now faded. May Islam truly be saved from this cesspit country that I once loved but am now ashamed of.
Bhushan Ghatol
Jul 10, 2012 10:01am
Please read "RIDDLES IN HINDUISM". This is a book written by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar (who was chairman of drafting committee of Indian constitution). This book heavily criticizes Hinduism and its gods and is easily available anywhere in India (and there are hundreds of books like this).
Jul 06, 2012 12:41pm
It should be the other way round. "May Allah save Pakistan from Islam"
Jul 06, 2012 09:44am
Saudi/Kuwaiti investment into madrasaas of southern Punjab bearing fruit! (As was reported on this very website some time ago)
Jul 06, 2012 09:45am
As was reported on this website some time ago, these are fruits of their investment into South Punjab... They want this.
Karachi Wala
Jul 05, 2012 05:36pm
Not so slow as you think!!!
Jul 06, 2012 09:47am
Forced down throats is a bad phrase to use. But hostile environment, Jazziya tax, fear of persecution etc. from foreign invaders were almost a big factor as the Sufis (which were undoubtedly the major cause for spread of Islam). But then - arent the purists targeting the Sufi shrines too ? I am proud of my ancestors who resisted all greed and coercion to convert when I look to the narrow-mindedness and false pride of muslims.
Jul 05, 2012 05:34pm
i never thought i would say this but i am ashamed of being a pakistani.this is not the country i grew up in.
Jul 05, 2012 05:29pm
Correction: non-Muslims already dislike the region intensely, and so do many Muslims
Jul 05, 2012 05:26pm
er .. hypocritical ...
Jul 05, 2012 05:25pm
Spoken like a true superstitious Pakistani!
Ammar Iftikhar
Jul 05, 2012 05:24pm
"entirely man-made" What about laws exercised in KSA & while just quoted for sake of pride in Pakistan (Reference the famous Hadith of a Women named Fatima) who made them man made in Pakistan.............. Just picking one incident & portraying that all community is like that is as heinous as the reported killing (provided the new is true in accuracy) there may be various aspects for this incident but just going against one side is not true who was the man, was he really mentally restarted, what was the trigger, why the people of group turned into mobs - was police not trusted by the mobs - does the innocent media had no hand in transforming the people into mob and many many more questions are not even touched nor there has been desire to address them.. Yet I say any thing like this must be sent to courts & dealt in proper judicially. Finally for the blasphemy law let's assume it is man-made by nation & enforced on nation - Please tell me that will any Hindu, Cristian, Jew (etc.) tolerate anything said against his belief, holy scripts or personalities???
Abdul Bari
Jul 06, 2012 11:34am
There is difference between an army and a coomon man, also the difference of being religiuous and following no religion. Most of the European do say that they are chrestian but do follow it rarely. If some one says I am Muslim, he shoud understand his religion well and should not do this act of barbarisim.
Jul 06, 2012 09:52am
You havent been to India then. Come to Gujarat and Mumbai - the base of Modi and Shiv Sena respectively and see how the Muslims are a vibrant and vital part of the society. Dont just believe what the papers say.
Jul 05, 2012 05:19pm
Two wrongs don't make a right. Is tarah ki ghatiya mentality ki wajah say ham yahan bethay hain. He did it, so if i did what's wrong in it? If you think like that every one shall start committing wrong.
Mohmmad Ali
Jul 05, 2012 05:17pm
It is NFP's favourite PPP's goverment. Why do they not repeat the blasphemy law and if Zardari would actually spare some police from his own security detail, may be the reinforcements would have arrived in time. This has nothing to do with Islamic fervour. Mobs do crazy things in most countries of the world. This is police failure and failure to govern plane and simple!
Jul 06, 2012 09:55am
Why dosent the prolific defender of Islam Mr "El Cid" ever comment on such articles ?
Jul 06, 2012 03:07pm
There is clue why the mallang was killed.The clue,he was the "ASQIK'(lover) of Al-Hallaz",the sufi Saint.
Jul 05, 2012 02:49pm
"Agree with him on that" but can you deny the IK's and PML(N)'s sympathies, for whatever reason or motive may be, with religious extrmists like JI and SSP????? Wake up plz....our PM in waiting, IK publicly declared that he too could become a "suicide bomber" if his family was killed in drone attack....where are we headed with leadership like that???
Jul 05, 2012 05:11pm
Jul 06, 2012 05:00am
Worst nation in the world guided and ruled by the worst creatures (Mullah) under the sky. Has no moral ethics. His country will never get better until provide justice to every citizens of the country. The present condition of Pakistan is the result of persecution of Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan.
Umair Iqbal
Jul 05, 2012 12:44pm
Very well written and comprehensive article. The problem, with all of us today, is that we do not read and understand the Holy Qura'an. We do not bother to understand the Sunaah. We are, (I don't know why), so busy with this worldly life that if some Mulana ( not all but some so-called and self acclaimed), utters something about something, we don't confirm that, and considers it a decree. Allah has mentioned each and everything in the Holy Qura'an and the Prophet (pbuh) has a role model for all of us in his life. May Allah give us the strength to study and understand the Holy Book and the life of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and mold ourselves accordingly. AMEEN!
Jul 05, 2012 12:50pm
The incident left me speechless and wordless,I bowed my head low and let my tears flow and in my heart I know and it is very clearly mentions in history and in holy books the fate of nations when people become hearless,mindless and blind to the reality and keep blaming unseen enimies.
Jul 05, 2012 03:41pm
A Nation born with the Inability to live with others, has no HOPE it will live with Each other,,,,, May the Allmighty do something to this God forbidden land , and Devil incarnate people, but i see no hope,,,,,The curse of that Malang has befallen you all as a Nation , pray forgiveness from him,,, Allah has abandon you all long back....
Jul 05, 2012 12:42pm
How can a non-entity save this failed nation. What next
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 05, 2012 12:42pm
This is not something new, when it comes to religion every "PIOUS" Muslim in this country is ready for "Jihad". Most of the time they do it to someone who has nothing, no one to protect him and especially when he can't strike back. No One should be allowed to take law into their hands for no matter what reasons. Everyone is a sinner and everyone here is corrupt to the core but when it comes to killing someone over something like this every thief, smuggler, liar, rapist or adulterer wants to be the first one with the blows. All those involved in this killing should be brought to justice, same as was done in case of the brothers from Sialkot. We simply cannot let the ignorant drain the last bit of humanity from this country.
Amjad Wyne
Jul 05, 2012 05:05pm
You are not the only one - there are many who have been blacklisted. It is almost comical that your comment "blacklisted" is printed as if to prove that that was not the case. The truth is that we all know otherwise - the patterns do not lie.
ahmet abdulaziz
Jul 06, 2012 05:04am
i personally believe that the way the so-called islamic extremists are moving ahead in pakistan, and have started gaining control over masses, is an advert move that would ultimately take people away from islam. Their self interpretation of the islamic teachings would ultimately lead muslims in common to get so afraid of islam that they would like to run away from the best religion (islam). The common man is getting too confused about what actually islam is. Islam is going to be the loser in the hands of the so called champions of islam, unfortunately. The only way out in my opinion is to popularise the system of reading Quran in our own mother tongues. So that each of us would understand what Allah says, and asks from us. If we do not do this, as a nation we will keep on playing in the hands of the so called champions of islam, and would keep on following them as the goats. Each of us must try to read and understand Quran himself, not through someone else. Allah speaks to each of us individually DIRECTLY. So we must listen to Him (Allah). We must simply read translation of Quran, and MUST NOT lose ourselves in detailed TASHREEHS , and other books written by the scholars. As a nation we prefer to listen anybody who approaches us in the name of islam. We should listen to what Allah has said to us DIRECTLY FROM HIM. This is the only way through which a common muslim can be saved from being brainwashed by the so called champions of islam.
Kamaljit Singh
Jul 05, 2012 05:05pm
I pray for your safety and long life Nadeem !
Jul 05, 2012 05:00pm
Well said
yasir Arafat
Jul 05, 2012 04:59pm
May Allah save Islam form Ignorant Muslims the Extream Ignorant muslims like Taliban........... This ignorance causes of destablize Pakistan and Islam. Ignorant people killing innocent and muslim peoples just for Allah and islam either doesnt matter he is malang or he is another sect.. If our governament institues like Judiciary, Politics and Establishment will quite on this issue no doubt this ignorant group will kill every one and will introduce the Islam of Yazeed ( lain ) in Pakistan and then no body know Pakistan will alive with Yazeedi islam or not. Yasir Arafat Kabul Afghanistan
Jul 05, 2012 01:57pm
Pakistan needs Educated people !! the most still live 200years back life style.
Jul 05, 2012 12:42pm
This is the true face of our society,Well analysed NFP. May Lord save pakistan from moulvis.
Jul 05, 2012 02:48pm
These peoples are not representing Islam; they have their own self made laws......These people have burned not only police station but also the home of police man where already two Quarans was in home as witnessed...... what these extremist want to do... These try to demolish the real face of Islam the reliogion of Peace, .... any way God gave them advice.... and pray for Pakistan that Allah save from these dirty guys
Jul 05, 2012 04:59pm
We (people of pakistan) were so loving and caring that our worst enemies praised our hospitality but after the Muttahida Tehreek-e-Khatme Nabuwwat 1974 (united movement for the cause of the protection of the Finality of Prophet-hood), anti-pakistan force realized that the spiritual and ethical energy of Pakistani people can influence the actions of the Government, that can even take some decisions against the (anti-Pakistan) Western interests. So therefore, 'anti-Pakistan forces' gradually started to divide people of Pakistan by creating various religious, activist and jihadi, groups, organizations and political parties. They supported it, funded it and used it whenever it was needed to spread disunity, anarchy, sectarianism and terrorism. They secretly helped Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan and then openly funded and supported not only the native Afghans to fight against Russia but the people of northern Pakistan too. At the very same time, they also 'created' several jihadi groups in Southern Pakistan to fight India for Kashmir but indeed, it has never benefited Kashmir cause, not even 0.1 percent. In the meanwhile, they also created terrorist sectarian and provincial nationalist groups to spread sectarian-hate and violence inside Pakistan. Almost all international secret agencies played their role to make this country a living hell, and all these secret projects against the existence of Pakistan couldn't be completed without Saudi money. As many of you know that what i have just said above is the 'actual' root of the evils that has turned the turned the Peace-Loving-and-Sufi-Follower people of pakistan into mean and savages. Anyway, to cut a long story short, they have invested too much money and efforts in corrupting our society, especially the politicians, civil servants, army officials, journalists, and Mullahs, and as a result, we been diverted from our religious, ethical and traditional, responsibilities and priorities. However I cannot think of any solution to undo what has been done to the people of Pakistan except to beg all the intellectuals, writers, poets, artists, non-agent human rights activists, trustworthy journalists, non-commercial Sufis and indisputable Scholars, to sit down together at the table of justice, tolerance, openness, equality and brotherhood, and find a way to put us in the right direction. PS: My God save the pakistan from the 'World'.
Muhammad shahzad
Jul 05, 2012 02:11pm
a very cruel Hippocratic society these molvies should be slaughtered which instigated the mob
Jul 05, 2012 03:42pm
Well said. Agreed.
Jul 05, 2012 03:51pm
If a party which is harbinger of target killing can become a coalition partner of PPP, then why shouldn't few flags from JI show up in Imran Khan's rally ? Seems every thing on the right of centre is fair target for NFP's barbs.
ahsan shah
Jul 05, 2012 02:04pm
Allah save Islam from "Muslims" (JI,IK, SSP)
another deepak
Jul 05, 2012 02:07pm
SEARCH FOR AATEESH TASEER ARTICLE on islam and pakistan.. it is this thing which he has so beautifully pointed, that pakistanis are in a rat race to become good muslims, and infact this has the root to most of the problem plaguing your country...GO THINK....
Jul 05, 2012 03:50pm
Best that ever happened to humanity is Islam. The worst that ever happened to Islam is Sectarianism. May Allah save Muslims from sectarians.
Jul 05, 2012 02:08pm
You are the best apologist for the mob !
Jul 05, 2012 03:48pm
Not only Layered Squirrel was part of the mob; his whole family, friends and relatives were THE MOB.
Irfan Shah
Jul 05, 2012 01:15pm
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it for religious conviction. NFP please write for some Urdu daily as well so that the rationality can reach a wider audience.
Karachi Wala
Jul 05, 2012 01:15pm
Pakistan needed a Kamal Ataturk yesterday, who will start with one point agenda "Clean the Mulla Mafia" and root out madness in the name of Islam swiftly and completely.
Jul 05, 2012 01:11pm
why Pakistan (especially Punjab and NWFP) and Afghanistan have become so radicalized as compare to our neighbors? I mean we are now even crossing radical state of mind and entering a state where we can easily diagnosed ourselve as mentally ill or retarded.
Capt Mansur
Jul 05, 2012 02:32pm
Sad really sad. Honetly I do not see any hope for economically challenged Pakistanis in Pakistan and especially the Minorities. Pkaistan is fast becoming HELL ON EARTH for the poor and for the minorities. Thank you Saudi Arabia and Your Soldier Zia ul Huq.
Jul 05, 2012 02:19pm
I could not help saluting the Pakistan Police that while taking into account security measures conducted an operation recently in Bihar Colony, Karachi in search of terrorists who had made life miserable for the innocent citizens. It was a golden chance for the police to explode the so called mob (terrorists in fact) when it reached the highest point of its vulnerability towards an insane by burning him alive because they had acted out like fierce animals. For sure the admin won't give place to my comment!
Jul 05, 2012 02:33pm
I am an Indian.. When i was small we were told a HAJI .. is a person who has performed HAJ.. and will generally maintain a beard. Being a Haji means he has done all his duties according to the things specified and he is a content person Anyone with a long beard especially white and flowing ... we use to look at him with utmost respect and use to greet him with pleasure and respect. Now the situation is ... more longer the beard ... more far we run from that person .. No disrespect to Hajis... but people who have done this to haji's are more blashphemous than a Malang.
Muhammad shahzad
Jul 05, 2012 02:36pm
i think this kind of religious madness in pakistan should not be tolerated
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 05, 2012 01:02pm
that's just NFP ... he has a strong bond with PPP and nothing will change that, I can understand why being unbiased with his political views is not possible. He just had to put a picture of Imran Khan no matter what. But what basically he is highlighting in this blog is very true about us being a failed social system. Agree with him on that.
Jul 05, 2012 02:40pm
Jul 05, 2012 03:22pm
Let them sleep, They are sleeping for important reason ?
Jul 05, 2012 02:41pm
LOL! Like most PTI supporters you too seem to be floating in fantasy land, Kanwal. SSP and JI flags have been common in PTI rallies. Just google the subject and you'll get hundreds of pics like this. And how typical of apologists like you who call all those things they don't agree with, fake.
Jul 06, 2012 01:57pm
The most shameful part is that no religious scholar in our beloved country representing 180 million or more Muslims, has even the audacity to condemn the act done by these mindless freaks... As iqbal said Zinda qu'at thi jahan main yehi Tauheed kabhi Aaj kya hai? faqat ik masla-e-ilm-e-kalaam Qaum kya cheez hai, qaumon ki immamat kya hai Iss ko kya samjhain ye becharey dou rakat kay Imaam
Jul 05, 2012 12:55pm
pakistan is an historical mistake.
Jul 05, 2012 02:46pm
This kind of mob violence is common phenomenon in South Asia (including India). Reasons could be different but end result is the same. This is called Mob Justice where one guy is faced with the Mob who pronounces him/her as guilty and decides on punishment and then executes this punishment. And remember this people are no other then one of us. The major reason for this kind of behaviour is Mob's trust of justice system and seeing political interference allowing Justice system to not run the proper just path. Now the question that is always on my mind. If in rage some of this people did this henious behaviour how are they able to sleep at night after that rage is over? How are they able to face there friends and relatives after doing this? I would personally not like to be associated with the person who might have been (even remotely) involved in this kind of incident.
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 05, 2012 12:51pm
This is not something new, when it comes to religion every "PIOUS" Muslim in this country is ready for "Jihad". Most of the time they do it to someone who has nothing, no one to protect him and especially when he can't strike back. No One should be allowed to take law into their hands for no matter what reasons. Everyone is a sinner and everyone here is corrupt to the core but when it comes to killing someone over something like this every thief, smuggler, liar, rapist or adulterer wants to be the first one with the blows.
Jul 05, 2012 12:51pm
Well Said NFP. If it did not stop then soon time will come when there will be no non-muslim person who will not hate this religion.
Jul 05, 2012 04:41pm
This is something that has been drummed into our heads since early childhood. I read quran and let me tell you my friend, its not as straight forward as your Islamiat teacher told you. Almost all the major Ayats requires interpretations. Now you can get this interpretation from that mullah in the mosque who urged the crowd to kill a mentally retarded person or you can take it from from other "morderate" scholars. There is no agreement among Muslims even on a proper way to recite namaz. So please, stop living in a fantasy world and stop dreaming that reading scriptures will solve all your problems...If it was this simple, there will be no taliban, deobandi, berelvi, salafi etc (btw, all of these groups claim to follow the "right" interpretation of Quran and Sunnah..now you go figure who is right and who is wrong!!)
Jul 05, 2012 03:44pm
Painful to see Pakistan dying a slow death ...
Tariq Sheikh
Jul 05, 2012 01:55pm
Where is the suo motto in this case????
Jul 05, 2012 01:51pm
Wow great article I have a 13 year old son who is special need. Do we know the state of mind of Malang police were saying he was talking gibberish maybe he was special need. My heart hurt that our nation is going backward we are the most unstable angry society anger create hatred. Wahhabism and Saudi theology is working in Pakistan. There Strict believe that all those who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies.
Mian Dawood
Jul 05, 2012 03:58pm
When I read any story like this, I am hard to believe that I am a follower of Islam, a religion of peace,. Than, how they claim that they are Muslims? Actually we are "Bhikaari"
Jul 05, 2012 03:58pm
What has happened and is happening in Pakistan is mind boggling for any sane, rational human being whether he is Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or of any other religion. Murder, mayhem in the name of religion is for sub-human filth. I thought humanity (most of it any way) moved away from it a few centuries back. Except it thrives in Pakistan. I wonder if Allah is sheding tears of blood on the creation of Pakistan and cursing them for besmirching HIS name. Brother Paracha. You are one of the few flickering lights of reason, sanity and courage in this dark mad place called Pakistan.
Jul 05, 2012 04:01pm
Imran Khan is an idiot at Best and closeted Carpet Begger at Worst. I believe he is an idiot who is a legend in his own mind.
Jul 05, 2012 04:03pm
Great Sufi movement started with the gruesome killing of Al-Hallaj. And any talk on suffism can't be considered complete without mentioning his great sacrifice while fighting with fundamentalists of his time. It seems Al-hallaj came back as Malang to show the path of truth to a country that is in the strong grip of extremists.
Babar Khan
Jul 05, 2012 01:45pm
Once any religious person claims to have the monopoly on divine truth, the logical consequence is intolerance. What is happening is very logical. Unless we can accept the fact that religion is a personal belief and should remain in the personal domain, we will be hearing a lot more of these stories in the future..
Jul 05, 2012 04:04pm
But if people become educated, specially women, then these Mullahs will not be able stir their emotions so easily. Unki Dukaan Nahi Chalegi. That is why education will never be a priority in Pakistan.
Karachi Wala
Jul 05, 2012 01:44pm
"May Allah save Pakistan from so called Islamists"
Jul 06, 2012 05:13am
There is no doubt that our clergy is rotten, bunch of jahil muazzins who think they are muftis.Anyone with a beard thinks they can issue a fatwa on the go.What they did was CLEARLY against Islam,I dont care if its Brelvi or Deobandi, it has no place in shariah. Islam allows every human being the right to a fair trail, there is no vigilante justice. BUT our society loves to hate on Mullahs(like i just did).There is a fundamental flaw though, our clergy is one of us. Why has the knowledge of our own religion gone down so much?Its simple, our brightest people go into medicine and engineering, while the dumb,mischievious are sent to madrassa.Either that, or the poor who dont have any other shot at education, or parents cant afford to raise them.Throw in the Saudi funding and powerful media desseminating their propaganda, and we have a serious problem. SOLUTION to this problem is for our educated middle class to actually encourage the brightest to study their religion,its laws and its philosophy in order to have better religious leaders and teachers. I bet not the answer most people here were thinking about!
An American
Jul 05, 2012 04:07pm
I guess I am black listed because my comments are never published. May God save the world from Pakistan!!!
Jul 05, 2012 01:33pm
this thing never ever happened.... this is a conspiracy by RAW, CIA and MOSSAD against islam
Karachi Wala
Jul 05, 2012 01:35pm
Dont' hold your breath. Imran wants to be the savior of Pakistan and Pakistani's by riding on the shoulders of JI, different jehadi outfits and Taliban. The way he has been trying to allign himself with above mentioned, he sure seems to be a born again Muslim. Afterall, he reached his cricketing peaks during Ameerulmomeneen Zia's redifined Islam. What we are seeing in Pakistan now, has all its roots coming from that era.
Jul 05, 2012 02:26pm
i seriously doubt the authenticity of the picture with imran khan addressing a jalsa. it looks totally fake to me. look at how the stage is ending and i see some boots in air :s NFP you owe an explanatiopn here. i expect you to tell us all the source of this pic.
zoro II
Jul 05, 2012 04:09pm
Common- What would you say about those lawyers? Are they not educated ?
Jul 05, 2012 01:31pm
We've been hitting such "lows" at a alarming consistency right from 1947 birather!
Habib ur Rehman
Jul 05, 2012 01:28pm
Wait and see what will happen when the "Bloody Mahdi" descends!!!!!!!!!!
Layered Squirrel
Jul 05, 2012 02:27pm
just not interested in the sacred opinions of someone who is shameless enough to follow ppp.
Jul 05, 2012 02:29pm
I suggest giving up this fatalistic "may Allah save us" attitude and getting the job done yourselves. More likely to work.
Jul 05, 2012 01:26pm
Gods own country , but Devils own People
Abdullah K. Niazi
Jul 05, 2012 04:58pm
This is what you call selective journalism.Every other party except PPP is in the firing line of NFP. The worst governance in the history of the nation is a trivial matter.
Jul 06, 2012 03:02pm
There is lot of truth in what you wrote,whether you meant it or not .In many respect if you desect the retoric of followers of Islam,it about empowerment and conquroring West and America and India.You are not far away from some thought of todays Islam.Compassion has given way to conqurer,you are right .Sword over ideas and pen.,like medival times,that is going back in time,that is tragedy of today Pakistan,come to think of it,I stopped begging Dawn to publish my thought.When they supress freedom of thought,they hurt themselves more than me.Good day.
Jul 05, 2012 04:35pm
pl name some urdu dailies that are willing to publish NFP's articles
Thabo Makeleni
Jul 05, 2012 04:37pm
Animal Kingdom - God placed mankind above animal kingdom due to mankind's intelligence BUT this barbaric act place some within Animal Kingdom. Did God ask us not to judge and to leave the judgement up to Him ?
Jul 05, 2012 04:25pm
A simple Murder in the name of Allah.Where is CJ.? IS human life has some Importance in your Eyes or equal to Alchool of Odhoo.? one more Bitter Fruit of Writer Harron Rasheed,S Hero General zia,s made law.q
Dr Murali
Jul 05, 2012 04:27pm
its not guess, its truth that Arabs are not as fanatic a muslim as Pakistanis are. Im here in saudi arabia for the past 10 years working in MOH hospital in HOLY MEKKAH
Jul 05, 2012 04:29pm
Please somebody put an end to this kind of madness and cruelty ! I really feel deeply ashamed to be called a Pakistani Muslim.
Jul 05, 2012 11:15pm
please stop blaming mullah this a lame excuse. Mullah is just following the teaching of Islam and you are mixing western civilization with religion which have no connection
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 11:19pm
That is pretty cold blooded but there is some truth there. Unfortunately things fell part for Jinnah and the Moslem League before a fair deal could be made with the continent. No one wants to give up own their land. Not the farmers, landowners or Sikhs. They were being invaded from their point of view, During the American Civil War a New York congressman (rather than volunteering to go to war) stood up in the congressional gallery and said, "I have given two cousins to this war, and I stand ready and willing to sacrifice my wife's brother" (to roars of laughter and applause as many men avoided the draft call). + There is nothing wrong with Pakistan that a sense of humour cannot not cure. Believe me.
Jul 05, 2012 11:19pm
Being a Pakistani, I can say and I hope the moderator allows my comment. We have gone back to the stone age. there is no Islam left in Pakistan, or really in the World. We, the current day muslims have showed and convinced the World that Islam is a failed religion. FAILED religion.
Rizwan Lone
Jul 05, 2012 11:30pm
No wonder everyone else in the world thinks Islam is a violent religion. You can say "no, the majority are peaceful!" over and over, but a single incident like this shows how the "peaceful majority" would never dare stand up in the name of peace. How can this be a religion of peace when the violent are given such free reign? No, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of submission - and the peace-loving "majority" is completely submissive to the violent "minority" (by the way, I use quotes because the majority of Pakistanis think Salman Taseer deserved to die)
Rizwan Lone
Jul 05, 2012 11:32pm
Forced down our throats? I'm sure those Sufis didn't exist in your warped imagination. And anyway, I'd be thankful for those "marauders" that "forced" my ancestors to convert to Islam - because I am thankful that I am today a Muslim, and not a Hindu.
Joe in USA
Jul 05, 2012 11:53pm
So true. Same here. My comments on other subjects have not appeared, even though I have tried to be fair and constructive in the discussion. What a pity.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 05, 2012 11:57pm
Wahabism was a Saudi scheme for them to protect Mecca and their wealth with all of the world's Muslims, like the army reserve. Arabs are smart. Both Attaturk and Al-Wahab are heroes of mine, having been a soldier myself. They fought for a cause, not for pay. Frank Serpico and Richie Roberts were my heroes because they risked their lives to bring down drug corruption in the New York City Police Department, when the odds were against them. Hundreds of police and vice squad detectives went to prison. The police were stealing drug money and reselling the drugs on the street. Al Wahab had to stop the Ottomans and Egyptian Pashas from taking Mecca by force. These things start out in the minds of only one man alone, and they must get others behind them to risk their lives without thought of reward. Serpico took down the New York Commissioner of Police and Roberts arrested the biggest heroin importer in American history, and broke up his organization. Drug gangs will kill you at the drop of a hat. Heroes don't deal drugs or take money. Al-Wahab was pure. He did not slaughter the innocents. After World War II the game has changed, but neither Britain or the United States started that war. The Germans and the Japanese don't dare starting another world war - and neither should anyone else. I am proud to say I was one of the people who helped change the US Army and helped to stop the Vietnam War. We can credit many of the soldiers in Vietnam for stopping it. They stopped killing these little people and refused to fight. There was nothing the officer corps could do without having it reflect badly on there careers. So what had to be was. Even US Special Forces revolted. Our lives are about integrity. Some have it -others do not. George Santayana wrote the words, "Those who forget the mistakes of history are condemned to repeat them". That is very famous, unfortunately the next generation remembers little and the succeeding generation almost nothing at all. That is part of the Human Condition. + " The Human Condition is the same, only we live it in greater comfort." Eugene Weber (World History professor emeritus at UCLA). BUT NOT ALL OF US. Greater Comfort is what the people of the developing world are striving for.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 06, 2012 12:04am
Kemel (and his wife) did it in the name of Turkey, not in the name of Islam. That is a misconception. + He was a secularist, doing something he believed was good for the country. He never gave a damn about money. He fought against the British ANZACS, the Greeks and Italians, then fought a civil war against the corrupt Sultan of Turkey and his brother forcing them from power and democratizing the Turkish. Probably because he grew up a Cypriot.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 06, 2012 12:05am
Dr Shafi Niazi
Jul 06, 2012 12:12am
Pakistan is not a historical mistake but Pakistanis are making historical mistakes.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 06, 2012 12:18am
Armies teach their soldiers to see the enemy as non human or barbarians. It works long enough to get a war started. Our Humanity is pretty much proven on the battlefield, and soldiers eventually begin to question how the enemy is that much different than we are? "Sorry, Charlie. Just doing my job." After too much killing the soldiers see themselves as winners and losers, the lucky and unlucky. There is not a lot of time or desire for reflection on the battlefield. During World War I, 220,000 Chinese were hired by the British to bury the dead. All the piles of corpses were too much a reminder of the soldiers' mortality and of Europe's mistake.
Jul 06, 2012 12:18am
This is his religion, Atleast History & Incidents now says so
Jul 06, 2012 12:22am
Mob Justice is common be it India or Bangladesh, But But,,,,, Not in the name of Religion. It may be killing a thief, Political Rivalry etc.
Jul 06, 2012 11:09am
hmm that settles the two nation theory ..... i believe you would have survived in india being just a muslim then... atleast you would not have been ashamed of calling yourself an indian.
Jul 06, 2012 12:32am
The best thing that happened for the non-muslims in the Indian subcontinent was the partition. I shudder to imagine what India would have been like with the population of Pakistan with its mindset been part of India. I feel sorry for the few remaining non-muslims in Pakistan (and Bangladesh), however.
Jul 06, 2012 12:34am
how can people protest against themselves
Jul 06, 2012 12:35am
At least the US goverrment is taking steps to prosecute the soldiers but mullahs of Pakistan have a free hand to kill any minorites of the country. This is a huge difference!
Jul 06, 2012 12:56am
Are there any brave people left in Pakistan? Brave enough to tell fellow Pakistanis that the emperor is naked? Brave enough to tell his/her fellow countrymen, and fellow Muslims especially, that all religions are the constructs of human minds and that God, if there is a God, is above all insults? It is only humans that worry about God being insulted. God does not care because if God was capable of being insulted than God would not be God.
Jul 06, 2012 12:59am
Not true. If Islam had been that good for Muslims they would not be rsiking lives to migrate to non-Muslim countries where they are safer and more prosperous.
Jul 06, 2012 01:02am
If God had placed humans above all other forms of life then humans would not have been such easy prey for bacteria. The bacteria finally and always get us.
Jul 06, 2012 01:04am
Christians used indulge in the same hate killings until they realized that the Bible was a construct of human minds. That changed everything. Once religion was put on the back burner.
Jul 06, 2012 01:19am
The people who are responsible for this crime should be punished the same the way as they punished mentally handicapped "mallang" Till people are made an example of nothing is going to change.The problem in Pakistan is no one is held accountable for their actions. Hold these bastards accountable for taking a life by taking their life.
Jul 06, 2012 01:27am
Follower of religion of peace at their best.
Jul 06, 2012 01:34am
Religion in Pakistan has become an evil force. I am wondering what else will we witness in the coming days.
Jul 06, 2012 01:50am
We should mentally prepared ourselves for the worse in the coming days as fanaticism has no limits.
Another Malang
Jul 06, 2012 01:51am
Every influential person is influential because he has a domain of his own. It is his responsiblity to provide leadership for his domain. There are Sufis and Saints, who lead their followers through their good work and good teachings, but there are some not so good religeous leaders, who have to bend down to such limits to make sure that their leadership amongst the followers is protected.
Krishna Iyer
Jul 06, 2012 01:53am
what about the mullahs who called on the mosque loud speakers asking the mob to punish the desecrator of the Quran. If there is rule of law, they should be charged for inciting murder.
Jul 06, 2012 04:47pm
No Comments. I do not have words to describe this insance situation speechless. YA ALLAH guide us all.
Jul 06, 2012 02:19am
This is such an outrage that I'm stunned. They should have machine-gunned the crowd, None of those people deserve to live, They're worse than filth. If we have to take our country back, such people have to be systematically eradicated from the face of the world. Let them go to the heaven that surely awaits them.
Raj Patel
Jul 06, 2012 02:26am
"A wise man killed by 2000 Malang" great news from Pakistan. This is happening since ceturies and Pakistanis are following the tradition. Great country and great people of Pakistan. Their Islam is so weak that it can not accomodate one wise guy among 2000+ 'malang'
mallani kop
Jul 06, 2012 02:31am
so you think there is a 'muslim nation'?
Punjabi Jatt
Jul 06, 2012 02:32am
Nadeem I'm very very saddened by the whole affair. Makes me wonder if Baba Bulleh Shah would be spared today because of his amazing and challenging views.on life and religion. What has happened to my rich and tolerant Punjab. I would have thought that the half a million lives lost in Punjab during partition would have satiated those who kill in the name of religion. How wrong was I.
Virendra Kaul
Jul 06, 2012 02:35am
Very nice analysis Munir Bhai.
Jul 06, 2012 02:37am
Even if Islam means peace we are making sure it means piece.
Khalq e Khuda
Jul 06, 2012 02:44am
Please replace Pakistan with Punjab. The barbarism has recorded a sharp decrease in the rest of the three provinces. 99% of blasphemy, honor killings, targeting of minorities or demolition of places of worship, crimes against women etc are being recorded in Punjab. Even the Shia genocide underway in other provinces is being controlled from militant bases in Raiwind, Muridke, Jhang and Pindi.
Jul 06, 2012 02:44am
yeah, Islam is religion of PIECE !!!
Jul 06, 2012 02:46am
I wonder if partition made any sense.
Jul 06, 2012 02:52am
I admire you for highlighting this tragedy. Sad day for all of Pakistan. We will never see any one punished.
Sure Kant
Jul 06, 2012 02:54am
CJ Iftikhar is not bothered about these small things. He is interested in making a name for himself. And he, too, seems to be a fundamentalist who talks about Islam at the drop of a hat.
Sure Kant
Jul 06, 2012 02:55am
And will you convince the totally mad Saudis?
Jul 06, 2012 02:59am
we need to modify our thoughts and character towards true, loving, caring ,passionate and forgving nature of islam.these barbaric acts are a handiwork of some vested inteests for which you can not blame the whole nation. yet a good effort by NFP to give a bit of mind to society. a society where there is highest corruption, electricity-theft, high crime, lawlessness can not punish somebody for a crime . first these people should punish themselves for these crimes like corruption, electricity-theft, rapes, . let the punishment for desacrators be left to courts.
Jul 06, 2012 03:04am
Why do we call him(her?) Almighty in a society where we need laws (like blasphemy) to protect his sanctity from mere humans... Paradox! isn't it !!
Jul 06, 2012 03:15am
Another myth without any logic....Every group thinks they are the TRUE followers. So who is right and who is wrong?? Some even blow themselves up to prove their righteousness!! They will justify their heinous crimes through Quran and Sunnah (now dont go into a denial mode, look at their literature, some of them even give references from Quran and Hadith to carry out suicide bombings and killing the innocent for "greater good") When it comes to religion, everything is not black or white, there are myrid colors of grey in between. Unless you begin to appreciate these differences, the madness will never stop...
Virendra Kaul
Jul 06, 2012 03:15am
I agree with Ali. It is just not education but mindset of being tolerant of other faiths, ideas and systems. Intolerance, despite education breeds this mentality of hatred.
Nate Gupta
Jul 06, 2012 03:16am
Nadeemji, Growing up in Delhi, I have had a lot of Muslim friends and this is one of the teachings of Islam they taught me - A true Muslim is bound by Islam to make sure that upto 40 houses in his neighborhood have food to eat before he can eat himself. Food is haram for him if anyone sleeps hungry in his neighborhood. Please note 40 houses are mentioned, not the houses of Muslims but of all faiths. Yet I hear so horrific news coming out of Pakistan - a self-styled beacon of Islam. Is there no way for Pakistani people to take their religion back from these extremists who are hell bent on giving it a bad name? I sure hope there is. My heart goes out to the latest victim of these so called true followers.
Bala Varadarajan
Jul 06, 2012 03:25am
Societies move through different stages in their evolution - barbarism, civilization and decadence (Oscar Wilde). Pakistanis have proved Oscar Wilde wrong. They have regressed from being a highly evolved civilization (Indus Valley, Islamic era, Moghuls etc) to barbarism once again.
Jul 06, 2012 03:36am
Well, that's just another (somethat euphemistic) way of saying "May Allay save Pakistan from Islam".
Amir Sohail
Jul 06, 2012 03:41am
In my humble opinion, the problem is not the religion itself, its the mis-interpretation and mis-perception of any information we get, anyone's action we see. This is mainly because of illeteracy in our country, especially in the coutry areas. Pakistan and its people need to be educated, so we can learn to atleast listen, verify, think and analyze any situation/person before passing our own immature judgement. The over emotionalism, hyper aggression and our overall state of restlessness and frustration hinders the people's ability to look through the facts and analyze the whole picture. Religion CAN be a dangerous thing, it can bring us global peace, and can also inflict chaos upon nations, all depending upon how masses are going to study and perceive the God's commandments. And it is extremely unfortunate for us that most of the Madrassa's (religious institutions, where young minds are educated) are run by most illetrate people of the local community. This growing problem needs to be addressed and eradicated from grass root level. May Allah help us all..
Jul 06, 2012 03:57am
I think IK knows that he will be sitting on the opposition benches after next elections. Therefore he is making these unrealistic demands like "Pakistan can live without US Aid", "We will force US to stop the drone attack" etc etc. He is well aware that there is no way any current or future Govt in Pakistan can force US into anything and since he will not be forming the next Govt, he can carry on with his senseless agenda and people especially "Ghairat bridage" will keep on supporting him...Mullah and IK alliance is here to stay!!
Khan Baba
Jul 06, 2012 03:57am
Dhiraj rakho Maharaj - itni aqal hoti to Pakistan ki ye halat nahin hoti.
Jul 06, 2012 04:00am
Being a non-muslim, one cannot fathom the mob frenzy against a hapeless individual? Does the religion permit such mobacracy? I think not!
Jul 06, 2012 04:00am
As Kabir said 'boya ped babul ka toh aam kaha se hoye'. Intolerance of the other was the seed that founded this country now it has grown to a full fledged tree. First can't live with Hindus. Then can't live with Bengali Muslims, , then can't live with Ahmadiyas, then can't live with Shias, then can't live with Barelvi Sunnis. Dawn does not publish my comments even if they are relevant, so this probaly will not et published either.
Jul 06, 2012 02:46pm
How naive you are about India,Indian media?Why do you think so many Hindu sounding name find their voice in DAWN and Tribune Express? ,like Sami I have long given up on Indian so called democracy,seudo secularism and Dynastic monarchy of Nehru, Pakistan has several guys with guts.India has none,You have Chamchas of TOI and H/T.Enjoy Good dayh
Jul 06, 2012 04:30am
Where is CJ, nawaz zardari and other leaders? How many more will die by these religious nuts ? I forget 80% of Pakistani are the religious nut.mpakistan is Not Islam ka fort it is the biggest threat to peaceful Islam
Jul 06, 2012 04:34am
Malang is not a person of worldly senses ! You can call him out-worldly or better called him a mad. In the African tribes who normally fight fiercely to defend their boundaries and wouldn't allow the person of other tribe to enter their territory has an UN-writtern law that a Madman belongs to Nature so no one could harm him come what may. Even if he urinate on their sacred statues of their Gods. So who is civilized ? Or isn't jahiliat better then this so-called religion of Peace ?
Jul 06, 2012 04:36am
OR vice versa ?
naresh sharma
Jul 06, 2012 05:31am
Dear Gerry.... you are true, i want share something with you... Have you ever heard about any religion visiting Muslim shrines and praying in their shrines.. Come and visit India and i will show you how Hindus visit Mazar of Pir Babas (Shrines of Muslim Saints ) for offering prayers, like Islam we respect all religions on earth and want to see them thriving peacefully on earth. We Hindus has given this religion (Islam) a lot in south Asia but Muslims still consider us enemies...
k ram
Jul 06, 2012 05:36am
What is wrong with Pakistan?? What a crazy county it has become. It is truly a place only fit in the middle ages. The world needs to shun this country and its fundamental lunatics
ahmet abdulaziz
Jul 06, 2012 05:38am
i personally believe that the way the so-called islamic extremists are moving ahead in pakistan, and have started gaining control over masses, is an advert move that would ultimately take people away from islam.
ahmet abdulaziz
Jul 06, 2012 05:40am
very true unfortunately the anti-islam forces always found it easy to find traitors from among the muslims. This is what history shows.
Sajai Paul
Jul 06, 2012 02:00pm
That's what we Mallus say about Kerala.
Jul 06, 2012 05:42am
Don't misuse a beautiful word..Nirvana
Jul 06, 2012 05:51am
Haha.. He is a Jiala..
Jul 06, 2012 04:31pm
he might by in bhawalpur with the noorani ijtema of the mob.
Jul 06, 2012 05:58am
I guess Aamir is right. You better read the article again. NFP is certainly propagating PPP agenda though in this article, mostly agree even with that agenda.
Jul 06, 2012 06:02am
If you replace in your comment "Imran Khan" with "Zaradari", your comment would never be published. But mine will.
Jul 06, 2012 06:11am
and here is NFP once again thrusting his opinion on the basis of an incident and linking everything to the blasphemy laws. This incident took place due to lawlessness not due to any particular law. The whole message in the writing is flawed,it's based on the notion that if there exists a law of punishment regarding a crime; people would resort to punish the alleged culprit themselves. Totally wrong! people would take law into their hands only if they believe that the Law won't come into action . thank God the killing of two brothers in Sialkot and public lynching of robbers in Karachi had no religious touch, otherwise NFP and his stalwarts would have made a bustle out of it. There is a law of the land for punishment of murderers, still people kill the killers of their loved ones ... why? because of the law? No!. they take law into their hands because they believe that the law, the section and the sub-section won't come into action. Enact the law and people won't react madly. Simple!
Jul 06, 2012 02:01pm
Al Hilaj Mansoor was cut in to pieces but he was laughing then. He was an enlightened person and thats why he proclaimed that he was the god. Sufis are the real muslims who, through practice, bhajan and meditation realise self and god. This malang could have been a saint and if it was the casw then curse has already befallen. Remember the phrase " Dilli door ast"?
Jul 06, 2012 06:21am
Shah sb, NFP urdu daily kay liay write kare and phir sub iss kay pechay par jain and yeh Malaysia chala jaey and from there he should give us bhashan!! koi aqal ko haath maro!
Jul 06, 2012 02:03pm
Jul 06, 2012 06:23am
spot on Squirrel!
Jul 06, 2012 06:24am
Unbelievable Mate! so you passed on the buck to external forces in the case of local mob violence as well?
Jul 06, 2012 06:31am
When people become blind by faith........ educated people suppose to open their eyes......... but when so called educated people like Imran Khan and those lawyers.... become obsessed with faith and try to use it to fulfill their desires ........ then who will come for the rescue. Muslims should abolish the Abrahmic ritual of sacrifice which make them more cruel.
Jul 06, 2012 08:19am
Ahh!! you too NFP!! Its really easy to say bad things about the name or idea behind "Pakistan" and ignoring the realities but the comment "May Allah save Islam from Pakistan" is the worst among all. Actually appropriate is ‘May Allah save Islam from Muslims.’ And of course I do not have the mentality like NFP's therefore I will make it clear that I am refering to people who call themselves "muslims". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jul 06, 2012 01:09pm
so what you are saying is that 2 wrongs make it right?? Nice
Jul 06, 2012 01:09pm
Perhaps a nation/people who are so sensitive to real and perceived slights to their faith should introspect on their treatment of religious minorities as well. But then, I might as well hope for pigs to fly. At another level, i guess if you mix religion and state, this is what you get. India had taken some early steps towards this disturbing direction in the 90s, thankfully, political parties realized that national acceptance cannot come riding on a religious agenda. I hope Pakistan and her citizens can find in themselves to move in the same direction.
Suresh K.(Melbourne)
Jul 06, 2012 01:08pm
The Hindu saints too have said same things in all ages, like He exists without existing, the manifest in the unmanifest, I am He, etc. Such utterances are recorded in the Upanishads. Their inference was through direct perception and experience of Truth. And that still remains the only way to understand God (because he is undefinable through script, speech, etc). Each one of us have to ultimately experience the Truth by direct perception alone. Anal Haq, Aham Brahmasmi, I am He - all same.
Jul 06, 2012 06:55am
Simple ! Then same simplicity should be applicable for non Muslim(or Muslims as well) against muslims who insults other religions
Pour avoir brûlé un Coran, un handicapé mental est brûlé à son tour » Savoir ou se faire avoir
Jul 06, 2012 06:56am
[...] un texte au vitriol publi
Munir Varraich
Jul 06, 2012 06:57am
That is what is in the mindset of the Muslim. MAV "Islam WAS a peaceful religion" then came the mullah, and "mullah's Islam" became the most violent religion preaching beheadings, whipping and hangings and HATRED under a law called "Blasphemy Law". Christianity passed through this phase during the "Inquisition" and learnt the lesson the hard way. Time to seperate religion and the state in the Muslim World. But where is the "scientist" who could rebel against the Church?
Joe in USA
Jul 06, 2012 02:37pm
Agreed. It has happened to my comments too -- not published by Dawn even though they are relevant and constructive to the discussion, and not inflammatory. One wonders whether omissions are accidental or selective.
Jul 06, 2012 02:37pm
I fully share your anguish and sentiment.When I was growing up,I admired Mr Jinnah,his uncanny intellect,wanted to visit USA,Uk and Pakistan I visit UK very often and live in USA,but gave up the dream of visiting Pakistan,the reason are obvious,sheer diappointment of what has happened to the land which Jinnah so passionately loved and dreamed about.Ndeem Parcha still lives.
Jul 06, 2012 07:01am
Another way is there . If every one stops thinking that their religion(ISlam) is the best religion and start respecting other religions as well .
Jul 06, 2012 07:03am
Do the people of Pakistan really know and understand ISLAM????? THEY ARE IN FACT REALLY SICK PEOPLE!!!!
Jul 06, 2012 07:20am
I pray that our respected CJP takes suo moto on this and tries each and every person involved. Killing someone who was not mentally fit to be held accountable for his own actions... Sad and pathetic... Would you kill and burn a 2 year old if he tore pages from the Quran? How many of the murderers were practicing Muslims? May Allah provide justice...
Jul 06, 2012 07:24am
And they say Islam is the religion of peace!! are you kidding me?
Jul 06, 2012 01:02pm
There is only one way to save Islam. Secularism, that is separate religion from state's affairs, and give equal opportunity to everyone
Jul 06, 2012 07:29am
Islamic Welfare state is an oxymoron. IK is selling everyone a dream which will actually be a nightmare.
Abdullah K
Jul 06, 2012 02:33pm
If you live in Pakistan, just go across the border to India. It is never too late. Rest of us are quite happy that we have a country of our own.
Jul 06, 2012 07:36am
This superiority complex is what has brought you here. Best religion in my ass.
Jul 06, 2012 07:40am
It is the same case every where. Religious fanatics are same all over the world. Some cases come to light some don't. Hindus burning an Australian priest with his kids alive, Israelis abducting Muslim children in attempt to thwart the "danger" of them becoming "terrorists", Germans killing the Jews, Spanish inquisition, Burmese Muslims plight by the hand of Buddhists and Pakistani Muslims killing each other over sect, it is all the same. Where is HUMANITY? If I seem to boast more than is becoming, my excuse is that I brag for humanity rather than for myself. Henry David Thoreau
Jul 06, 2012 07:48am
It did make sense as the results are now apparent, most of the insanity was cut off from India. Wonder what would have happened when India would have been undivided.
Gerry D'Cunha
Jul 06, 2012 07:50am
I have lived all my life in Pakistan and never experienced such intolerence Islam - we all (christians;hindu;parsi;buddist) lived in peace until 1976. The intolerence Islam started moving from 1977 (PNA movement) to 1980 (Zia's regime) until today. Now one must understand what made the people to react in this manner today,when there were illetrate/uneducated muslims in Pakistan from partiation time and always lived in peace. The main cause of todays intolerance Islam is Saudia Arabia who have been pumping $$$ into Pakistan and elsewhere in the muslim world to impose their own Islam and everyone knows that. In the West it has created the 'Hijab' concept and building mosques to create more fundamentalist
Jul 06, 2012 07:54am
You cannot always blame common people of Pakistan. Taking law into hand (including blasphemy) happens only when people are lead to a hopeless condition where there is negligible law and order, that too favoring rich and influential. If people had faith in fairness of govt. then probably there would have been much lesser madness as seen now.
Naseema Perveen
Jul 06, 2012 07:58am
there is no word "Islamists"...if i am not wrong!
Naseema Perveen
Jul 06, 2012 08:02am
May Allah save Islam from Pakistan........
Jul 06, 2012 08:03am
Americans used to do this to black people not longer than one generation ago...
Jul 06, 2012 02:22pm
This madness will continue as long as Petro Dollar are flowing in NaPakistan.
Jul 06, 2012 02:17pm
But that would be unislamic.
Saad (DXB)
Jul 06, 2012 11:49am
Oh yeah.. We learnt from the best... Our neighbours.. The ones who attacked and killed People in the Golden Temple, who destroyed Babri Mosque and frequently burn Holy Muslim shrines in India.. Remember Charar Sharif in Kashmir? I rest my case
Jul 06, 2012 08:14am
Disagree with you. Bangladesh is in the forefront on several economic parameters. Women in Bangladesh have a greater degree of autonomy and economic opportunities than their sisters in other South Asian countries. I ran into plenty of Bangladeshis in Far East countries, and all of them are not just optimistic about their own future, but very keen to bring their country forward. Their government too, works with commitment for all people of Bangladesh, regardless, and religious discrimination is long gone.
Ghulam Sarwar
Jul 06, 2012 08:16am
Well said. Pakistan was not a mistake. It was the need of time. But the enemies of Pakistan, who were active against it at time of its creation, who failed at that time, have become successful now,,,,, They are active trying to mislead the people of Pakistan. So it appears that Pakistan will not survive,,, It seems to be so. There is definite turmoil and people of Pakistan do not know how blunder they have made, how much sin they have committed. The verdict of the Quran is against the people of Pakistan. They are not learning any lesson. All will suffer, the army men, the judges, the political leaders and the common man,,,
ahmad butt
Jul 06, 2012 08:16am
The brave people are the ones who are a silent educated minority, living in urban cities who will not get violent in a discussion and dont want to make unnecessary enemies, fear that their argument does not come under the guise of blasphemy , they dont have guns or strong influential backing, want to see a culture of tolerance thats why they aspire to go to first world countries and are accepted by the non-muslims and find themselves aliens in their own nation... They are despised as wannabe westerners, burgers etc, so they are infidels with muslim names i had a conversation with a few religious bearded gentlemen from different sects here and i quoted them that islam in the European dark ages thrived and muslims scholars are still credited by the west but why dont they preach education to the point that a practicing muslim in Pakistan is as good as those raised in western countries or reverts, and they couldnt answer, i said why dont the religious figureheads do something about it by spreading both forms of education, and quoted For indeed it is not the eyes that grow blind – but it is the hearts, which are within the bosoms, that grow blind. [Sûrah al-Hajj: 46], to which all were blazing guns ready to kill me for I had honestly exposed the fallacy of their argument by quoting a verse, they were expecting me to be a burger who will defend western values. So whether God exists or doesn't matter, it is not the point here. Also Socrates, it is not that easy to debate over religion, Pakistan has a diverse interpretation of Islam, one city, one area, one street even in one house, the various family members share different beliefs and interpretation, do you expect educated people to talk with those deprived of roti, kapra and makan(food,cloth, shelter) to debate with them something for which some intellectual capacity is required.
Jul 06, 2012 12:06pm
Your singling out of Punjab suggests that the rampant killings, decapitations and dismemberments happening in Karachi (your backyard) are a norm of life for you. Blog about the bigotry of MQM sometime.
Ahmed Subhan
Jul 06, 2012 04:09pm
No Muslim or a Non-Muslim will tolerate anything against his beliefs. But there are ways to show intolerance. In our case, it is extremely radical and barbaric.
Jul 06, 2012 08:30am
Jul 06, 2012 08:30am
This is so much alarming that relevant authorities are not taking any action against the culprits and just put a deaf ear on it. May God protect us all from religious fanatics.
Jul 06, 2012 08:32am
these people will definitely get a permanent place in Hell.
Jul 06, 2012 08:33am
As if Muslims in Pakistan have abandoned all castiest practices themselves.
Jul 06, 2012 08:40am
A barbaric act by the so-called Muslims. Bravo Nadeem F Paracha, if you can translate this article into URDU and other local languages of Pakistan to aware these non-sense people and publish? Because DAWN is not in access of those who have done this cruel act.
Jul 06, 2012 08:41am
Do you believe if such laws are abolished , these incidents would halt to exists. Imagine what will happed if this pressure is sealed. These cases are the result of mistrust in the state's criminal justice system, for which people can't wait and afford.
Jul 06, 2012 01:01pm
Pakistani society has become an amalgam of insane people: expecting the Almighty to begin showering rose petals on them!
Jehanzeb Idrees
Jul 06, 2012 08:49am
Yes, that's true because Christian countries are busy tormenting the Muslim countries from the last 400 years!
ahmad butt
Jul 06, 2012 08:50am
All of them will never open this pandora's box, they want power and dont want an entity that can threaten it..simple
Jul 06, 2012 08:51am
Wonder what happened to the people who decapitated Mansu Hallaj?
Jul 06, 2012 09:03am
You know what Syed - Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Nazis too had this fate.
Abdul Rafiq
Jul 07, 2012 06:45am
It is actually "Save Pakistan from Islam !"
Jul 07, 2012 06:48am
I have the same feeling. Even my rational, unorthodox, liberal views are usually censored by Dawn.
Jul 07, 2012 07:03am
feel helpless...
Jul 09, 2012 02:19am
Your self-righteousness is frightening El Cid..... I am a carpet bagger as you most likely are, having moved out of Pakistan - flaunting your highfalutin punditry in admitted flawless English while hiding your "Taliban" self underneath! Get a life!
Jul 07, 2012 07:25am
what an article: It is the collective madness that is rearing its ugly head in this country. We are all a party to it. Lynching a human being is a horrendous crime against humanity and we are all proud of it. The judiciary will remain silent. The govt. will be looking the other way as nothing has happened. The media will forget sooner rather than later. The mullahs will be showering praises on the culprits. Everyone involved in this heinous crime will go Scot free. Killing innocents in the name of God is the only game in the town. Recently the mob attacked a police station in Kuchlak - a small town near Quetta- to kill a man who was alleged to have burnt Quran. But later on it transpired that the people were mobilized on this false rumor just to free one Afghan national who was involved in some terrorist activities. These sort of incidents are merely a ruse to achieve some other goals. I know of a mullah who burnt some paged of Quran and blamed his opponents for this heinous crime. In these episodes truth is the first casualty and economizing the truth is national hobby. Rest in peace Malang. Your killers are on the look out for another victim.
Jul 07, 2012 07:38am
I don't see anything wrong with what Ansar Abbasi said in the video link that the author posted in this article? And he also mocked Ansar Abbasi's "analyst status. Did anybody notice that? I don't usually follow Mr. Abbasi but his comments in the video made perfect sense to me and i second him on that. I believe we should not look at Islam from the West's eyes, instead as Muslims we should be following our holy book, Quran. Having said that, i do agree with most of what the author Nadeem Paracha said in this article. It's disturbing to see what our people have turned into, and they are giving a terrible impression of Islam to the west.
Mandeep Vaid
Jul 07, 2012 07:39am
May reasoning, rationality and common sense vanquishes all tyrannical and pathological religions from our mother earth!
Jul 09, 2012 02:17am
no religious dogmas please! rationality is the way forward!
Dr. Khan
Jul 07, 2012 09:24am
It is cruelity on the part of demonstrators who are killers of an insane person. Allah Ta'ala may give them wisdom to understand religion and practice it as Hadhrat Mohammad (peace and blessing be on him) taught us.
Jul 08, 2012 09:19am
While the article is appreciable but why I don't see the same kinds of articles in Urdu? It appears that most of urdu columnist doesn't have the same courage (or don't think, it is an important issue) to voice openly against the religious madness.
C. Nandkishore
Jul 07, 2012 10:06am
caz, Thats my copyright. I said that along ago.
Jul 07, 2012 04:30pm
May be he did but his comments may have been deleted by web admin. I love is comments but he is too radical for these pages. Missing him here though.
Jul 07, 2012 04:46pm
Laws? What law are you refering to? Mob law?
El Cid
Jul 07, 2012 05:02pm
Islam bashing, or is it Muslims you are being sarcastic about? Islam ruled you for a thousand years yet you are alive and well and welcome to load your poison on to their publication. That is strength not weakness...benevolent tolerance your ancestors enjoyed for centuries on end, and thrived.
Jul 07, 2012 07:34pm
The Holy book is not a piece of artifact to be only kissed hugged and kept at the top of a cupboard... it is book of knowledge bestowed upon mankind so they can read and learn from it...Had these mob fanatics read the book the outcome of the event would have been different... if only...
Natasha Wisal
Jul 07, 2012 07:47pm
Me too. But he is not well liked here. Always gets negative marks. Admn. may have thought him unsuitable for these blogs as people did not like him and they black listed him. I wish they would let him back. Hey Cid come back we want a good fight again. This place is getting boring. I promise to vote for you. I don't care what you say. Just say it. Come back and fight us Mr. Taliban.
Keen observer
Jul 07, 2012 07:52pm
Read "Origin of species" by Charles darwin.And learn something about the process called evolution which EVOLVED us from tiny micro organisma to what we are now and enlighten yourself. Peace.
Jul 07, 2012 07:55pm
Yes and beating up that malang again. May be putting on his Mosloom terrorist vest.
Wesley S.
Jul 07, 2012 08:35pm
Indeed. I have the same difficulty. And that is why the nation is not free. Every one is a little tin can Pharaoh in their own little rickety clerk's chair. President, PM, COAS, all from top to bottom. Dawn fits the mold. It is time to either contact top management to fix this absurd state of affairs. If they don't, stop commenting and stop reading. There is a whole world out there to explore if you have a computer. Other online publications are loading up on comments and ideas and filling up with money making advertisements on their blog pages. Thousands of comments per article, all ideas and thoughts are open, only obscenity and foul language is deleted. May be Dawn needs to hire educated emotionally mature moderators who don't abuse their job by pushing their own political and religious agenda. So email management, explain the problem as you have done here. If they they don't fix it just get the hell out. The policy will change or they will lose readership, business patronage, and collapse as a viable publication.
Bird's eye review
Jul 07, 2012 08:41pm
Dont have anything to say except this "Make Pakistan Secular before its too late". But whose gonna stand up in Pakistan to even raise a voice regarding this. Which Political party in Pakistan has balls to implement true secularism in Pakistan? I ve heared ANP supports Secularism and Altaf hussain once said that Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan which shows that he also wants a Secular Pakistan and intends to do so if given power. So i guess i m gonna vote these two parties in next election.Yes i know Basheer balore has destroyed railways and MQM is accused of target killing in karachi but alot worse than this is happening in this country and I HAVE A FAITH THAT ONCE PAKISTAN WILL BECOME A SECULAR COUNTRY, ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS WILL DISSAPPEAR. About IK,those who still thinks that he is a massiah for Pakistan let me tell you one thing, "Imran khan is the biggest hypocrite currently walking on planet Earth". His arrival in government would mean that the worst that Pakistani people have been avoiding till now would happen and that is religious parties getting votes from public and taking charge of government through political means coz someone once rightly said that Imran khan=Good looking J e t,JUI,SSP,DPC .
El Cid
Jul 07, 2012 09:14pm
@Imran Ali;Ammar Iftikhar: “Finally for the blasphemy law let's assume it is man-made by nation & enforced on nation - Please tell me that will any Hindu, Cristian, Jew (etc.) tolerate anything said against his belief, holy scripts or personalities??? “ Their books ordain the complete slaughter and extermination of the people of all other religions. The Torah, the Book of the Jews, and the Christian Bible categorically demands the extermination of all men, women, children, animals, crops, trees, water-wells, houses of all people they conquer. What is happening in the Palestine is by this Book verse by verse. This extermination is recorded in the history and cultures of all other religions and on all continents.
El Cid
Jul 07, 2012 09:38pm
That act was secretly leaked out to the press by one decent soldier because he could not sleep over it. There are thousands of such recorded acts by trained US soldiers, including the collection of human body parts, fingers, ears, teeth, ears__of Shaheed Muslim Warriors. These personal private collections and videos are in the thousands. Note: Those who attacked the mallang were a mob, one incident, not disciplined soldiers in uniform--doing it over and over again.
Wesley S.
Jul 07, 2012 09:44pm
There has been no such prosecution, no penalty, only mock proceedings to throw dust into the worlds eyes.
Jul 07, 2012 09:51pm
this is not an instant of first kind in pakistan rather we are witnessing such brutal acts for last many decades.And its not that state is incapable.but fact of the matter is state has become itself a party by implementing man mad laws in the name of relegion.and these laws are exactly against the teachings of holy quran. Dove of peace has long flowen from its nest ever since relegion has become a tool in the hand of those who matter most in this land of pure.
Gibreel Farishta
Jul 07, 2012 09:51pm
Ha ! Ha ! You forgot to mention that "Islam is in Danger!!!" This malang was actually a *Jew* and the mob was Hindu, and the petrol to burn him came from the Americans. Why? To make the muslims look bad, what else?? It is all a filthy conspiracy I tell you, a conspiracy !!
Jul 07, 2012 10:00pm
Still doing it. Some times worse. But not as often as before. You just don't hear it around the world. I am black. I live here and observe it. At times am afraid it is going to happen to me when they get drunk, most week-ends.
Ahmad Naddem
Jul 07, 2012 10:01pm
Man was killed by a frenzied mob, his body burnt, yet our invisible president AAZ with all that majority in the parliament is more interested in introducing bills that suit his personal interest than abolishing abhorable law of blasphemy. I understand, that would be unpopular but that is where personal integrity & courage counts.NFP likes to touch on perpheral issues but avoids holding AAZ accountable.
Janggevit Singh
Jul 07, 2012 10:06pm
I appreciate your courage, and luck that they printed it. They don't print mine, just delete it without reading, when they don't want to work. I left India, as did many others of my religion did after they descreated our Sacred Beautiful Golden Temple we treasured with or life.
Jul 07, 2012 10:10pm
And you get off your high horse and learn to write first.
El Cid
Jul 07, 2012 10:17pm
You really know how to get your jabs in when you can. Don't you. So very sadistic since you have no dog in the fight.
Jul 07, 2012 10:21pm
Perhaps if you did, you may learn that aamir has a point.
Jul 09, 2012 09:44am
So a mob kills a vulnerable person, some thing that happens almost every day some where in India, and some how you connect it to Partition. AND in USA and UK, and other countries during and after major sport and games.
El Cid
Jul 07, 2012 10:46pm
If he is all that, why are you so afraid of him and call him all those names? And that term 'Carpet Bagger', not begger, is specifically an American Civil war term. You have used it inappropriately and without knowledge of its spelling, context, or connotation. This term cannot be applied to Imran Khan with any stretch of the imagination, but possibly to you if you are living in a country other than India, and gone there for your economic betterment. [PS: A Carpet-Bagger: A US Northerner who went to the South after the American Civil War to seek political or economic advantage. If you have moved out of India for this ourpose than you are it. It is always helpful to know the context and derivation of words you use otherwise it is you who expose yourself to the World as the idiot your are. Not Imran Khan.]
Jul 07, 2012 10:48pm
Dawn and NFP are working against Imran Khan, but will mello towards him after he wins the elections.
Jul 07, 2012 10:54pm
Well NFP chain smokes, is addicted to tobacco. What do plan to write?
Obaid Qureshi
Jul 07, 2012 11:13pm
Leave Allah alone! Do something yourselves O Pakistanis. There seems to exist no other nation on earth like Pakistanis: so intolerable, so insensitive and highly illiterate.
Obaid Qureshi
Jul 07, 2012 11:29pm
Like always WELL DONE Nadim. Keep the mirror in front of the public; they need to see what they look like.
Jul 08, 2012 12:16am
this is not an instant of first kind in pakistan rather we are witnessing such brutal acts for last many decades.And its not that state is incapable.but fact of the matter is state has become itself a party by implementing man mad laws in the name of relegion.and these laws are exactly against the teachings of holy quran.
Azhar uddin Nasir
Jul 08, 2012 12:54am
I know internet has opened the floodgate of anti Pakistan comments. I was wondering if our Indian neighbours could leave us alone & mind their own business ! After all it is our affair, none of anybody else's business. If you are so fond of NFP, invite him over & keep him there.
Jul 08, 2012 02:38am
To anyone of any religion, who believes that their god is "all-powerful" and "all knowing", think about this ... such a god could easily cause all non believers, or blasphemers to cease to exist, with the blink of an eyelid. To someone who believes, the fact these non believers, blaspehermers and other faiths exist, must mean that your god wants them here, and does not need any help from you to eliminate them
Raj Patel
Jul 08, 2012 03:00am
I am human first. What r u first a human or an Islamist? Islam never ruled us Mogul ruled. And if u r from Indian contenent then checks your ancestry, you will find 4 or 5 th generation grand pa would be Hindu. Hindu is a culture which accommodate every religion including Islam. Islam can't tolerate their own brethren of different sectarian. Does u call that is u r strength?? Pity on your thought process. Tell me who was Malang? The guy killed or the 2000+ mob. It was not yet indicted in court .not proved to be blasphemous even though 2000+ idiots decided that he has committed crimes and killed him. Who gave them the right to kill. Not in a civilian society. How can u say that Islam is a piece loving religion?
Jul 08, 2012 04:38am
Very sad and tragic story unfortunately not unusual in Pakistan. How are we supposed to judge a religion as a religion of peace? In the same way we judge someone is from a good family. By the behavior of its members. Teaching less religion and more math and science to the masses is a good start.
Jul 09, 2012 09:26am
Duh! Those farmers where alive before they were killed.
Jul 09, 2012 06:01am
That's your own opinion and suits you the best while trying to prove that Islam is a religion of Peace. But to give the example of our community in North India. Despite being Brahmins - there was a practice since centuries to feed pork to the girls of the household so that the muslims would not kidnap them. It is a fact.
Jul 09, 2012 09:15am
You are not wrong. It was coined to rile Muslims by a an anti-Muslim think-tank--Psy-Ops.
Jul 09, 2012 09:20am
It will end when the Untouchables, Dalets remove the Brahmin yoke and convert to other relgions, as they now doing in large numbers, and the upper castes have no one to slave for them.
El Cid
Jul 09, 2012 03:51pm
@Tariq: Mansur Al-Hallaj was a Persian mystic, revolutionary writer, a pious teacher of Sufism but most famous for his apparent, but disputed and misunderstood self-proclamation of divinity, and execution for heresy by Caliph Al-Muqtadir after a long, drawn-out contested investigation and legal procedure. He was not taken out and hung as the article's author seems to imply. [PS: Mansur Al-Hallaj did not start Sufism. In fact taugh it and had serious, sometimes 'wild' discussions with other Sufies. Your main question was answered in the the previous post. I expect to have contributed towards a helpful answer to your thoughful, curious, and intelligent question.]
Jul 11, 2012 04:35am
Right on.
Jul 11, 2012 05:11am
Dawn loves to publish comments againt Pakistan and Muslims. But does no allow responses to them, so don't be too smug to think they have merit.
Jul 11, 2012 05:17am
Good analysis. And I agree with yoy but why does Dawn so much in favor of anti Pakistan cmments from accross the border.
El Cid
Jul 11, 2012 06:05am
Non-sequitur—Does not follow. Faulty logic.
Janice Khan
Jul 11, 2012 06:18am
To be just, rational and fair...committed in the name of ignorance, by a mob lacking education and knowledge of Islam and the compassion that is at its heart.
Jul 11, 2012 06:49am
Kerala only? It applies equally well to the whole country.
Jul 12, 2012 05:37am
They brought civilization, justice, beauty, and light to a land filled with darkness, superstitution, exploitation, and evil.
Saad (DXB)
Jul 13, 2012 11:54am
My point exactly
Saad (DXB)
Jul 13, 2012 11:44am
Oh right.. The killing of Thousands of Muslims in Gujarat was in the name of what??
Jul 18, 2012 09:22am
Very nice reply.
Masood Hussain
Jul 31, 2012 03:42pm