Hi, There is a news going on here in Medias that UN snubbed Pakistan's letter and said resolve bilaterally.Is it true??

i think the election fever is over now in india , its high time to talk now.

Meanwhile UN has ignored Pakistan's letter in which they wanted to internationalize the Kashmir issue. UN reiterated that it is a bilateral dispute and should be settled accordingly. Further India has made it clear, it won't make any attempt to de-escalate tension, the onus lies on Pakistan. Lets see who blinks first.

Why this was not done in a first place when the first bullet wad fired from any of the directions ? Does it mean it was a cover fire for PM. Nawaz or someone else?

Ultimately, all conflicts end by talk: "Boli" is better than "Goli".

Good

So finally Pak started the talks after UN played down the request to resolve the K issue.. Its the desperation with no direction..

What is the point in talking? Again someone raise the issue of Kashmir and tension will grip. TILL we don't have good relation, we can't find any solution. First build confidence between than work towards discussion of issues. Just think, if we are not good friends than how we wish the betterment of each other.

@mihir : time to watch other tv too.

@mihir and how about dharna fever in Pakistan ?

because UN has refused ur letter which Tarique Aziz had send.

according to indian army 12 pakistani soldiers have also died .i m surprised no news about that

Another update: UN has refused to enter into India Pakistan matter, asked to solve bilaterally, so the intention to internationalise did not bear fruit. So the ultimate option.... Speak and stop firing. Chalo, finally, something positive

Did India succumb to UN pressure?

good for Pakistan.........

In a clear snub to Pakistan, the United Nations refused to intervene and reiterated that India and Pakistan need to resolve all differences through dialogue to find a long-term solution to the dispute.

Talking over the hotline is always better than talking with bullets, says common sense.

@chin Some people don't learn a lesson. Unfortunately our Indian brothers are one on those. The UN is very well seized of the issue and it has referred to permanent members of the security council. Border skirmishes are serious matter involving life and death. Who is doing it and why is an issue which needs to be decided by an impartial agency. For heaven sake please shed the mindset which led to loss of one-third of your country. One should learn by mistake.

@mihir: Its not election fever, its because the UN turned down pakistan's stupid proposal. Try to see the news from a neutral angle..then only you can realise.....

@mihir Then Lets go to UN. But are they listening ???????

If Pakistan says to free up Kashmir? Why is it holding on to the piece of Kashmir with itself?

UN clearly rejected Pakistan's request of UN's intervention in Kashmir...Sad scene!!!

Talks are a good sign. We need to behave like equals and sort out our differences. A divided India-Pakistan has multiple beneficiaries, primarily terrorists. Be it the taliban or kashmiri seperatists or ISIS; it is so clear that all these groups collaborated today. The Taliban militants have confirmed their support for ISIS today; Kashmiri separatists would confirm in the near future. What is important for us to see is do we still fight each other or fight terrorism together? If India and Pakistan combines in the fight against terrorism, immediately China, US and Japan with join us in the fight. Each of us are not as good as all of us combined together.

This was expected. UN refused to mediate between India and Pakistan. Now what is the point to continue firing?

@Swapnil G the Kashmiries in that area do not urge Pakistan to leave them alone..... just simple question.... why India is not willing to conduct referendum in Kashmir to know their opinion?? you will get the answer in my question!!!!

@mihir Serious talks are not going to happen in near future. That window is closed now. Modi government has so many things to do, so they have to prioritize and concentrate on doable tasks. Indulging in theatrics is not priority now.

Pakistan is completely cornered on the global platform.

@Naveen So, getting UN to try to help with dispute resolution as an independent arbitrator is stupid? Why don't you heed your own advice, maybe the penny will drop one day!!

Uncle UN never helped

@John yep from the silent treatment UN meted out .

what a foolish comment "China,Japan,US will join us in fight against terrorism." Do u know smthing about foreign,Defence & Strategic Policies of nations? Why will they join us in fight which nt belongs to them.why they buy a new problem? Welfare nd interest of the nation comes always first for any country.No one is going put his head in fire in place of someone..

Question is which side made the call first?

Why is talk so important to Pakistan? No mention in Indian press whatsoever.

@Rajendra Tiwari I am surprised so many Indian friends read Dawn and take such an interest in the affairs of Pakistan.

@John No, UN succumbed to Indian pressure

Good move.

@Faisal Shafiq If a party to a dispute is not serious in finding a solution, no 3rd party can help. If both parties are serious in finding a solution, no 3rd party is required.

@John Dear Pakistani friend, India never goes to UN for anything. UN pressure ? Are you serious ? I don't think UN has got anything to do problems between Indian and Pakistan.

mr. ban-ki-moon is anti muslim anti pakistan, try someone else to help you

@Pakistani Pakistan is talk about UN resolution then follow every step of this resolution. You can't choose on the basis of your choice.

My heart will always cry for those who lost their loved ones. Especially a mother from Pakistan who lost her two kids and a family from India who lost their mother. What's the problem to communicate when first bullet is fired ? We are becoming very good customers for arms and ammunition sellers.

UN has no role to play in this. What case does Pakistan have for a country carved out of India that has existed since only 67 odd years. There is UN play only if both side request. India does not see a need for it.

It is an international failure to address the plight of Kashmiris . Pakistan has time and again highlighted the plight of not just Kashmiris but other minorities in India . The world needs to wake up and take note or allow Pakistan to chart its own course of action to help those trapped in J&K and elsewhere in India.

@chin I think it is other way around. West still can't afford to alienate Pakistan totally and Modi grossly under estimated Pakistan's strength.

Had UN told 5 days back that it's not going to interfere, perhaps some civilian lives from both the sides could have been saved. Well I don't fault Pakistan Govt for turning towards UN, but I definitely feel Pakistan is a failed neighbor, and unfortunately some false prestige is stopping Pakistan from becoming a good neighbor. It is really unfortunate that having so sweet people in neighbor who like and appreciate each other, both our countries are leaving like enemies. Wish these days too will fade away, and we will have better relations too soon.

Post Shimla agreement which pakistan had signed clearly states that all dispute including Kashmir will be discussed between India and Pakistan bilaterally. Since 1972 UN had taken a clear stand that Kashmir dispute has to be addressed by both the nations bilaterally.

@Pakistani : If you are so much sure and interested in referendum, why did you try to invade and occupy Kashmir on first place?

@Prabodh, Under the Security Council rules, no letter can be ignored or "snubbed" when an issue which is mandated by resolution is still unresolved.

Indians and their antics... They should remember that Pakistan isn't intimidated by their flaccid belligerence.

All Indians readers are beating the drum for UN refusal to intervene. UN has never done and will never do anything especially for a Muslim country. The only issue for Pakistan here is to raise the issue, and there were statements from US State Department and UN chief regarding this issue.

What is most galling about time and time again skirmishes between India and Pakistan is the behavior of political and military leaders of both countries. They talk like 7th grade boys at playground. War is too serious a matter to be dealt childishly. Modern wars are devastating and their are no winners. Every one looses. Stupid statements like 'we will teach them a lesson' makes you think that we the humans are still very close our ancestors l.e. monkeys. I saw two wars when I was in Indian Army 1965 and 1971. Reasonable solutions could have been found sooner or later. Some people say it liberated Bangladesh. Bangladesh would have separated from Pakistan sooner or later because of too much cultural differences and religion is too thin a glue to different people together. I think the only wise one is P M Nawas Sheriff. India should behave sensibly and provide him space to by keeping rhetoric low and helping him to contain the rouge elements in Pak Army. And my brothers should realize that India has no reason to start border conflicts with Pak. Hope and good sense prevails. This ancient land of Punjab has seen enough devastation because that is where the the whole thing happens. Rest of India will suffer but it is we the Punjabi's will bear the brunt. Pak people should realize they have bigger responsibility because most of them are Punjabis. Good luck everyone, we need it.

Hats off to Pak media which did not ridicule India like how Times now did. Please ask arnab to respect Pakistan as a country.

@Kanwarch Last weekend,the BBC reported that there are currently 240 million Indians ONLINE ! This is certainly far more than the entire population of men,women and children in ALL of Pakistan. If you go to other on-line news sites e.g.BBC NEWS /NEW YORK TIMES /WASHINGTON POST,etc you will find loads of animated comments from Indians,whether resident or not in the country when any news about INDIA and/or it's neigbours is being reported and which directly/indirectly impacts on Indian affairs. If DAWN continues to have an on-line website and invites readers to comment you will,like it or not,find comments from Indians !

@Prabodh thats correct

@Md Imran : Sir, throw some light on plight of minorities in Pakistan first? How many left??

To al Indians, when it was time to talk you cancelled the talks. That's why we doubt your sincerity.

@Prabodh Yes, UN dont want to discuss.

One can imagine how the telephone conversation went ... You shot first. No, you shot first. No, you did. No, you did. No, you did. OK, let's stop shooting. OK, you stop first. No, you stop first. No, you stop and we'll stop. No, you stop and we'll stop. OK, let's both stop shooting at the same time. OK, good idea. OK, good idea. OK, good idea. First, I will have to get orders from my government. OK, I have to get orders from my government, too. My government says you started it, so you can stop it. No, my government says you started it, so you can stop it. I'm getting fed up with this conversation. So am I. Let's stop shooting. OK, you first. No, you first. (They hang up the telephones.)

@Kanwarch : Because we are open minded, and want to hear both sides of the story before forming an opinion. Just listening to one sided story contributes to forming a skewed opinion.

@Prabodh what other issues has bee resolved by UN without the nod of the west? UN has failed the people of Kashmir, Palestine and now Syria.

@Pakistani : Lets start with Baluchistan. And coming to Kashmir , vacate POK as per UN resolution first then we can think of plebiscite

@Pakistani Lets have referendum Baluchistan as well..!!!

@Raj Nath I totally agree with you. Arnav has attitude and don't allow others to speak. If he wants to talk more than he should start his career as a solo speaker and give his opinion instead of anchoring debate. His all the arrogance vaporized when Raj Thakare threatened him in front of his own cameraman.

@Imran Because we don't talk to people who talk to terrorists, support them and train them.

@Md Imran and who will allow pakistan to help minorities in Pakistan itself first. To get respect from others, first one has to implement things at home. Second non one has any right to interfere in other nation's matters

@Imran pakistan's sincerity was in question , when you tried to involve people who are no where in picture, and hence talks were cancelled. It's a simple fact pakistan has to accept.

Both sides are guilty in this quagmire, although the Indian response was the most immature squabble I have ever read. Pakistan and India need to realize that another war will only send both countries into catastrophic turmoil.

@Md Imran like genocide do by at independence pakistan has 20 % minorities and know they only 2% have pressure on ur mind and think who need resolution and who need help

@rahul me too.

Where is Mr. Hafiz Saeed. He is best solution to Indian aggressions. He will make them pay for these crimes.

Where is Mr. Hafiz Saeed. He is best solution to Indian aggressions. He will make them pay for these crimes.

@Adnan Ahmed Then why go to UN ?

The reasons for me following dawn online for over 12--13 years was not just the articles, the OpEds (Ardeshir Cowasjee, Irfan Husain), but also comments from Pakistani readers, it gave me great insights to the thought processes and immensely contributed to the overall reading experience. Unfortunately, every article that I read nowadays is trolled by my fellow countrymen.. trying to put their point across - the jingoist, the logical, the moral high grounder, the sarcastic, the acerbic, the sympathizer, the conciliatory, the first timer, are all wanting to put their point across, consistently.. I am afraid mostly to satiate their own wishes to comment on something big and mainstream in Pakistan. I really wish some of this could be curtailed.., Of-course everyone has opinions.. but can't we Indians somehow be just observers and understand?. Cant we allow Pakistanis to express themselves, form public opinion , talk, shout, complain, celebrate, without us opinionating about anything and everything? - wanted or unwanted?

@Anup - NO. It is always the establishment

Earlier it was reported they made contact through "SHELLING". At times both had to use accumultaed ammunition . normally we indians fire crakers during diwali. this time it happened earlier at the border.

@Prabodh read properly, UN told India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir otherwise UN will get involved. Music to Kashmiri ears. Freedom is in the air.

@Prabodh No dear you can see today's E paper of Pakistan ... I would suggest rather then believing your own media do pay attention on your own opinion and sources. I am sure this is the Way your TVs are reporting " Or ya Pakistani ki Foj nay hum par Hamla kia Dhan Dhan Dhan :P

@Raghu :) really

@ Dear All indians or whtever That you are not allowing UN observer to visit LOC. and Please rely on other source of information rather wasting time on watching "Dhan Dhan Dhan Star Plus type" news .

See how indians try to bully its your government habit and yours too which pakistan not tolerate like other sub continent countries ( Bangla, Bhutan , Srilanka Nepal)

@Archan Ghosh You are right bro and you will find this Indian habit all over internet and they always give dictation to others and never accept that they are doing that. You as an Indian accept that and i appreciate that. Thumbs up!

@Truth Don't worry about the fate of India in case of war scenario. Just think of Pakistan's state which is not even 1/3rd of India. It will be a nightmare and no place to even hide. And do not think about the Nuclear weapons. Those are for only for show piece items and not for usage. There is no parity b/w the 2 countries in any matter in today's world

@John Take a wild guess

@Md Imran u talking abt minorities, when christians and hindus are burnt and killed and they are zilch on number?? u hv lost the moral ground to even raise a question...

@Raj Nath thanks for appreciating. And that is where the great difference lies. Pakistan is not bothered about India and hence has no venom but India is Pakistan concentric and has too much venom.

@Archan Ghosh I am glad to see voices like yours. At least, those with hate and closed minds come to this forum and read the truth, an eye opener. But they don't know what to do, so they spew out their fixated false opinions, regardless. But they are learning slowly.

@Ammy wrong, UN has written to India to stop and come to discuss Kashmir and to allow UNMGIP access to IOK loc, so it is internationalized. It is in for resolving by plebiscite.

It is a fight between two unequals.Pakistan can never win this war.Nor can PAKISTAN snatch KASHMIR away from INDIA by force.Both are Nuclear Armed.Prudence lies in coming to an Honourable agreement with INDIA on this KASHMIR issue which has defied solution for 65 years.And live in peace and happiness for ever.When Hindustan was Partitioned,it was expected that both the brothers will live in amity.Somewhere down the way,both brothers lost their way.Musharraf Sahab,who had handled and studied the subject thoroughly and negotiated with India's Atal Bihari Vajpeyeeji,should also be taken on board while thrashing out the issue.

@s s sidhu sensible words, but trust comes with goodwill, goodwill comes with sincerity and sincerity comes by dealing with thorny key issues like Kashmir justly. Until that is done, peace will not come and there will be no winners in war.

@rahul dear Rahul your statement says it all. "as per Indian army". All died were civilians and military personnel received injuries.

@Arshad which 1/3rd?

@Kanwarch we want pakistan nation to flourish but you are burning and we are feeling the heat. just leave J&K to Bharatha.,stop terrorism. we help you like any elder brother on earth

@chin Great any positive action from either side is considered desperation - with this attitude I see no hope