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A muted response to minority killings

Published Jun 01, 2010 10:46am


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Incomprehensible. That is the only word I can use to express my feelings about the indifference of people, the authorities, and the media towards the attacks against the Ahmadi community in Lahore on Friday. Attacks that were carried out in broad daylight, killing over 90 people and injuring many others. Attacks that turned into a hostage situation with over 1500 people at risk of being killed or fatally injured.

I am disappointed that there is no one to protest and lament the killings, especially since the Ahmadi community seems to have been silenced by years of discrimination and persecution. I was six years old and attending a Quran class when the maulvi sahib blatantly refused to teach two of my friends, Maham and Rija. I remember his words, his eyes flaming with hate as he refused to let them sit in his class, or even touch ‘their’ Quran. I did not understand why no one protested, why they had chosen to leave the room silently, as if the hate and discrimination was expected. I found myself in the same dilemma on Friday, when after one of the largest attacks against them in the history of Pakistan, this was the only official statement issued on behalf of the Ahmadi community:

Despite what has happened no Ahmadi has taken to the streets in protest; no Ahmadi has displayed anything but patience. Instead we have turned towards God and prayed for the victims, for their bereaved relatives and for the long term peace and prosperity of Pakistan. We will continue with this example no matter what is thrown at us in the full certainty that God is with us and always will be.

The only reality check regarding this horrifying episode has come from a woman who was attending to one of the people wounded in Friday's attacks. She refused to accept a bouquet from Interior Minister Rehman Malik, and went on to lambast him for inadequate security provisions at the sites of worship. It was indeed ironic to see dozens of security guards accompany the interior minister to his trip to the hospital to visit the survivors of Friday's attacks. If only half of those were present to guard the two sites that came under attack, this incident could have been prevented, or, if nothing else, casualties could have been minimised. There is thus absolutely no justification for this act of negligence.

Meanwhile, the social networks have also been abuzz with outrage. Twitter, in particular, was flooded with messages of condemnation, shock, and horror. Many were disgusted by the way in which media outlets were describing the sites that were attacked as 'worship places’ instead of ‘mosques.’ Others accused the media of downplaying the casualties. Someone remarked how a popular news channel's comments suggesting ‘worship places should have their own security’ were derogatory and inhumane. There were debates on whether the media channels will count those killed as ‘martyrs,’ and if not, then why not?

Here's the thing: I do not care whether those killed on Friday will be labeled martyrs or not. It does not make a difference to me whether the authorities have traced the terrorist outfit responsible for this attack. I remain enraged that most of us refuse to recognise the attacks as a human rights issue, and, most importantly, as a violation of minority rights. And by ‘most of us,’ I am referring to those of us who are neither politicians, scholars, clerics, or media personnel. I have lived in Pakistan long enough not to expect the authorities to be sensitive towards the real issues of the people. But the public framing of Friday's attacks is about the underlying hate, discrimination, and religious bigotry that has been suffocating us for years. This is about those of us who  choose to use religion to justify inhumanity despite the gory images showing attacks on innocent civilians.

There is no justification for killing unarmed civilians - no religion or legal system allows a bunch of people to take  the law in their hands and carry out barbaric acts of terror.

Today, I must confess that I am scared of the uncertainties the future holds. I fear that this attack might be one of many to come. And most of all, I fear that another attempt will be similarly downplayed and labeled an act of terrorism, rather than a violation of minority rights. The stabbing of an Ahmadi man at Narowal on Monday further strengthens my fears, especially as the threats of the assailant to “not leave any Ahmadi alive” serve as uncanny reminders of state-sanctioned discrimination against the Ahmadi community.

I feel that in our attempts to prove ourselves so-called pious Muslims and patriotic Pakistanis we have left humanity far behind. Our sympathies have become political, and our humanity has been compromised. Somewhere in our tussle to become pioneers of Islam and the darling of the West, we have stopped being human. For every atrocity that unfolds around us, we have a home-made conspiracy theory, a religious justification, or a history lesson with which to identify the culprits. But amid this information overload, the atrocities go ignored, priorities remain distorted, and the massacre continues.

For every one who witnessed the horrendous killings of Ahmadis this past week, I have one question: how many Garhi Shahos and Gojras will it take for us to stop abusing religious beliefs to justify killing innocent people?

Sana Saleem is a Features Editor at BEE magazine and blogs at Global Voices, Pro-Pakistan her personal blog Mystified Justice. She tweets at

The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.


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Salim Shah Jun 01, 2010 08:08am
Whenever western media talks about extremism in Pakistan, we are quick to correct them, that only a few are extremists but over all Pakistanis are tolerant people. This is very true, BUT unfortunately the majority is also tolerant towards injustices in the society. With the exception of one or two, the leaders lack the moral courage to stand up and speak out against the injustice. Since Ahmadies do not vote, the politicians see no benefit in making any statements and only a potential to loss in vote bank, if they do. Ever since the inception of Pakistan, the moral torch bearers have used their pulpit with half truths to establish control in running the country. They have successfully manipulated the psyche of masses, on the pretext that Islam is in danger and have trampled upon haqooqul abaad. So who is going to be the next trigger person and who is going to be the next target? I sincerely hope the trigger person are the intelligentsia, the ammunition is the truth/fairness and the target is hatred among us. Salim
shunya Jun 01, 2010 08:05am
The reasons for such killings are as you mentioned, " religious bigotry" and intolerance due to not understanding the basic tenets of Islam, i.e. peace & tolerance.
Shahzada Sultan Jun 01, 2010 08:08am
I have to admire both the courage and the sensibility of the writer. However, allow me to offer a caveat: I am no lover of Mr. Rehman Malik but I think that the natural, emotional outburst of the lady at the hospital does not represent a rational solution to the problem, but only gives vent to her well-justified hatred of the elite, mainly stemming from the failure of the state to extend protection to its citizens. No administration can provide adequate security deployment to every possible target of terrorism: no, this is not the solution. Imagine, tomorrow a Shia mosque is attacked, the attention will be diverted to Shia mosques, the next day, a Christian church is attacked, the attention will be diverted to the churches; the next day...a market, and a hospital, a play-ground, a stadium.....and on and on. We need a plan. Defensive policing or security is just one, less important aspect of law-enforcement: you stand there with a gun and wait for the get tired, you fall asleep, you become relaxed etc. True prevention comes from aggressive pursuit of the criminals, intelligence gathering, raids, arrests, interrogations, prosecution and conviction coupled with an unambiguous and immediate banning of all militant outfits without exception. Please let us place focus on the right issues. Demanding additional guards will throw the efforts of the administration on the wrong track; it will also give them an excuse not to fight it proactively and aggressively.
haider Masood Jun 01, 2010 08:45am
Thank you...
Farm Boy! Jun 01, 2010 08:42am
Jamat e Ahmadiyaa Pakistan's Official Response with English Translation.
imran kadha Jun 01, 2010 08:46am
Education, education and good quality education for the masses.
Abu Aayan Jun 01, 2010 11:10am
Sana, Great Work. Its not only about what you have written, its actually how you felt. At the same time the responses from many people are so encouraging that at time we (Ahmadies) have to believe that yes our prayers are not only being heard but are being accepted by Him also. People are so true that when there is so much hate within the Society not much is needed from outside. You have pointed out so rightly, that some basic message of condemnation (which are even missing this cases as well) or the blogs here and there not going to change much. We have to look at the elements who provoke the others to go ahead with such heinous crimes. The man who stabbed to death another Ahmadi in Narowal yesterday was arrested and he so clearly mentioned the name of one Maulvi, whose khutba forced him to carry out such barbaric act in the name of Islam. You know that person himself is not the real problem of the society. The person who provoked him is the real issue. But does any govt. has any guts to arrest him (and others like him)? Everyone would agree that, as soon as he would be arrested the whole country will have to face the serious "consequences" in the form of reactions across the country. Can today's Pakistani stand up and say NO to all this. Probably "No"; may be we are so hopeless, so self-centered, so INDIFFERENT that we are even unable to realize that by not reacting we are putting the future of our generations at stake - But only if a Pakistani realizes it - Lets HOPE.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand from India Jun 01, 2010 09:17am
A very thought provoking and courageous article. It is always sad whenever and wherever the minority community is target of hatred on the basis of religion by majority community in any country. It is more sad in case of Ahmidya community who were once part of national mainstream of Muslim community but were declared non-Muslims (for what reasons? I do not know.) in late seventies by the clerics of Pakistan. The contempt and hatred for this community became apparent when Professor Abdus salam won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1979 for Pakistan. Professor Abdus salam (I suppose was also an Ahmedian, but please correct me) died an anonymous death and his grave was defaced when the word 'Muslim' was removed from the engraved 'First Muslim Nobel Laureate' on his grave by the order of a magistrate. I have very high respect and regard for Professor Salam because of being in the same profession, but it was very painful for us here that he was discriminated even in his last hour because of fatwas of clerics of not considering Ahmedian as Muslims. If Professor Salam could be met such a treat ment, it does not surprise me that Ahemidias could be target of such a worst carnage and that too while praying in worship places.
Bushra nasir Jun 01, 2010 07:13am
When are we going to get up and stop becoming so inhumane?
Rev. Eldrick Lal Jun 01, 2010 06:07am
I must say without any reservation that our current government has grossly failed in protecting the minorities and their sacred places. Apparently , the government must be doing something, but in imperceptible way.It looks minorities are just like a vagabond in a uncivilized nation. The consequences of this bestiality violence will be detrimental and I personally condemn this despicable crime. Minorities are one of those imperturbable people who never used to get angry or upset, but these horrendous crimes are too much.
shabir haider Jun 01, 2010 06:11am
I totally agree with your sentiments Sana..... I wish we all can learn something from ahmadi community.... PATIENCE ......
Sudhakar Jun 01, 2010 06:22am
Very good article.
Bulleh Shah Singh Jun 01, 2010 06:22am
Sana Saleem. You are indeed are a very rare person. You are tolerant of other religions. I remember before partition days in Lahore and Amritsar when Punjabi Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus were very close. Inter marriage between us Punjabis were so common. I used to have Muslim first cousins, Hindu first cousins and Sikh first cousins.
Amina H Jun 01, 2010 07:45am
Sana, A very nice attempt. I hope it opens the eyes of other local Muslims as well in Pakistan...i feel ashamed of being part of this country where more than 9o innocent people were brutally killed...killing in the name of religion by monster who have no religion... God bless those who lost their lives.
yusuf Jun 01, 2010 06:27am
Miss Sana! Those terrorists have no religion, they are just killing people, they want to create terror and unease, this is the first time that they killed Ahmadis, just count how many muslims they killed before this incident.....thousands!!! So we should not divert this single incident towards religious abuse, otherwise we'll be playing in their hands.
Nadeem Jun 01, 2010 06:28am
Interior Minister visited them to show solidarity, it is neither him nor his security guards responsible for law and order in Punjab. Rather than appreciating him, you have made him 'punch bag' for a good deed. The security is provincial governments job, which failed miserably. Typical right wing minds set and nicely twisted - as federal government controls Punjab police. Not a word from CM Punjab or Rana Sana Ullah.
Umar Shah Jun 01, 2010 06:34am
I salute your courage & writeup about this tragedy and I am equally appalled by the shameless silence of those who claim to protect the people and rule Pakistan.
Prof Ramesh C. Manghirmalani, Geneva Jun 01, 2010 07:38am
This is a shocking attack. If it
pankaj Jun 01, 2010 06:36am
hi, Bravo!!!! what a great article that you have written. it is very sad to see all that on TV. I'm a Hindu, even my heart was bleeding to c that. today, Pakistanis need to support each other, otherwise the consequences would be severe. they need to find out the real enemy, it may be lies within them also (hatred for minority). i also had hated Muslims, but when i saw them bleeding, i was feeling guilty, and after that i asked the ques to myself that i want this, i want this happen to Muslim. the ans was NO. v all should put humanity first be4 anything else and respect each others religion and culture.
A Khan Jun 01, 2010 06:36am
Pitching it as an attack on minorities is misguided to say the least. Pakistani mosques, places of worship, hospitals, schools have been attacked. Women, children, men and senior citizens have been targeted. This attack is just another one in the series of attacks on Pakistanis in general. Giving it any color other then terrorists attack on Pakistan will bifurcate the society and will help serve terrorist's goals.
Mohammad Nawaz Jun 01, 2010 06:37am
Who needs hate mongers from outside when we have those within us, which spew venom against each other. They don't leave their own brother, so why leave another community or those who have a different belief? This is how pathetic we have become. More so us who just remain silent. As for these terrorists, down with them. They do NOT deserve to be left out to prey on the innocent. Is this what Islam teaches them? They claim to uphold the survival of Islam. Only God has the right to decide who is a true Muslim or not, not us humans. The authorities, if they really do intend to serve the people, would have put each and every one of them behind bars already and put them to a death sentence for mass murder. Will they do it?
Mahvesh Jun 01, 2010 06:42am
" many Garhi Shahos and Gojras will it take for us to stop abusing religious beliefs to justify killing innocent people?" Countless, Ms. Saleem. And even then we shall remain numb to the atrocities since it's not our mosques that are being targeted and not 'Muslims' that are being murdered. A minority in this country counts for nothing - if anything, it justifies the mindset that if you're attacked, too bad for you. Because you're a minority.
zakintosh Jun 01, 2010 06:44am
Good blogpost, Sana. It'll take nothing short of miracles to turn this country around from it's badly chosen path. But miracles do happen
Abdul Azeem Khan Jun 01, 2010 06:47am
Excellent article... really thought provoking The overall reaction of Pakistani community after Friday has been pathetic to say the least .
Nikki Jun 01, 2010 06:54am
This situation is really shameful and all Pakistanis need to atone and reflect. There is more indignation in Pakistan over the killing of 10 people near Gaza than over almost 100 of their own killed in their own backyard. Is there any morality left?. Bad things happen everywhere but the majority of good people rally round to set things right quickly . Are there any good people in Pakistan?. If yes, why are they silent?. If they continue to be silent, they will meet the same fate as the evildoers. Or, there just aren't many good people in Pakistan. Is it such an evil country?.
Micky Shetty Jun 01, 2010 06:54am
Perfectly said. It is near to impossible in Pakistan that the two things - Religion and Politics can be separated.
Aaron Jun 01, 2010 06:55am
These attacks are being carried out all over Pakistan, against Pakistani citizens..the Ahmadis attacked and killed were also Pakistanis.
Saleem Khan Jun 01, 2010 06:59am
Sure, we are biased nation. We have double standards to interpret things and events. Same was happened when tens of Christian community homes were burnt in central Punjab city. I feel sorrow on our beliefs and the way we disregard basic principals of Humanity and Islam. Every body has right to follow any religion or sect. Why we are not letting minorities to live peacefully in Pakistan. For God sake, our country is already at the verge of collapse, please don't spread hatred among your very own Pakistanis. Either its Ahmadis, Ismailis, Christians, Sikhs, or Hindus, if they are Pakistani nationals then we should respect them and own them. I feel sorrow on all such incidents. May Allah let our narrow minded people to refer Quran and Ahdeedh to understand basics of ISLAM and Islamic practices. Thank you SANA for writing such a nice article.
Manohar Lal Jun 01, 2010 07:01am
If surviving Ahmediyas will protest, they know they will face the same fate as victims of lahore attack or Hospital attack. So surviving Ahmediyas prefer to live bit longer than protesting against them.
sakina Jun 01, 2010 07:02am
No one in Pakistan imagined that the hate and violence would one day be directed against ordinary Pakistanis. How do you de-program several generations of Pakistanis to abandon hate and embrace all human beings ? Is this impossible ? It certainly is NOT possible without honest self examination by all the citizen. Hope Sana and other sane voices can give the courage to Pakistani people to question those who promote hate and violence and chose a path that is not filled with rejection of human values.
Raza Jun 01, 2010 07:05am
Good article!!!!
Latif Khan Jun 01, 2010 07:08am
An excellent self example given by Ms S.S of her own experience in the class room where her teacher demonstrated hatred against Ahmadi students. There are many such incidents of discrimination and harassment
Sami Shah Jun 01, 2010 07:11am
Brilliantly written article (as always). Articulate and poignant but with an underlying current of rage.
Bilal Jun 01, 2010 07:12am
It gives me hope that there are still people in Pakistan who have the courage to say what most educated people can see and feel. I must applaud Dawn as well for providing the forum for such articles.
Shirish Potnis Jun 01, 2010 07:16am
Change the historri books of schools of pakistan preaching hate towards hindus and india and other religions..Teach them that Indians are their genetic brothers and not arabs.Teach universal brotherhood instead of islamic brotherhood.May be after another 15 20 years a new generation with liberal thinking will emerge in Pakistan.
Truly Indian Jun 01, 2010 07:16am
...well witten Sana.
Cheemus Jun 01, 2010 07:16am
Excellent article,i totally agree with you,the maulvis of all mosques should be banned from using the term "Wajib-ul-Qatal" for Ahmedis.
Rashid Jun 01, 2010 07:17am
Nice Article Sana, but you know and i know and i hate to say this "nothing will change". We are failed, intolerant, uneducated, hypocrite, uncivilized nation of 170million with no regards to civil rights, religious freedom, democracy, humanity, values. We should stop denying; WE ARE A FAILED NATION... corruption, and intolerance has spread like cancer and its going to get worse....
Quraishpur Jun 01, 2010 07:22am
Nicely written!
Samyak Jun 01, 2010 07:22am
"No one in Pakistan imagined that the hate and violence would one day be directed against ordinary Pakistanis." As if this is the first attack on minorities in Pakistan!!! Where have you been living all these decades Sakina? Did you not have a TV or news papers?
usama Jun 01, 2010 07:26am
i must say that if there's any forum, where Ahmadis are being 'treated' well is Dawn. Dawn is doing an excellent job in raising voice over such concerns. As an Ahmadi i really appreciate Dawn's work.NFP and Sana Saleem, i'm happy to see that we still have people like you in our society. Thank you.
Haider Mahmud Jun 01, 2010 07:29am
This was a tragic massacre and i am very saddened. I don't care whatever their belief is as they were fellow Pakistanis. They have as much right to have security as anyone else. My prayers go out for those who lost their lives or who got injured.
Vic Jun 01, 2010 07:36am
I have been following the discussions on various email lists following the religion-centric court-ordered shutdown of web access to some sites. What is very visible is the hate (and unreasoned) that fills the minds of people who seem completely unwilling to pursue peaceful methods of persuading other parts of the world to abandon discrimination against Muslims.
Ghauri Jun 01, 2010 07:37am
Its not only nonsense but purely a lunacy, i can't understand that when the time will come again where people loved each other not because of their religion or beliefs but as human beings. I wonder we still are the Muslim state or something else where personal beliefs are becoming a sin for them. as the time passes we are becoming the slaves of hatred and forgetting to love others as human beings.
Tahir Jawaid Jun 01, 2010 07:39am
Sana thanks for the bold step, there is absolute silence on the matter from all corners be it govt, religious parties, political parties, media, lawyers, civil society etc etc. How can this be acts of a civilized society. God has the ultimate right to forgive or punish, we as humans have taken upon this role and in the process have devised a very simplistic formula for heaven. We are pushing the nation into the dark ages how we will come out of it will be any body guess?
Umair Jun 01, 2010 08:17am
It is plain wrong to describe this act of terrorism as a 'Minority Killing'. It is clear from the previous attacks by the Taliban that they are not targeting a particular group of people but Pakistanis in general. Yes, there is a stigma attached with the Ahmedi community in Pakistan that needs to be addressed. And yes, the reaction of the media has been far from adequate. But using this horrific incident to aggravate peoples emotions by using terms like 'Minority Killing' is equally wrong. In our country's darkest hour, you should not use such misleading terms to worsen the situation!
Goga Nalaik Jun 01, 2010 08:48am
Dear Sana, Thank you for this excellent article. I completely adhere to what you wrote and salute your courage for going against the wind. With such scenes of absolute horror, how can we remain indifferent? Me too, I'm living abroad but my heart is in Pakistan and I start my day with Each time when a bad incident takes place in my country, it simply horrifies me and as a result, I go under stress and cannot work normally. My professional life is getting affected. For years and years, we have been getting negative news from Pakistan. Whenever the media in the west speaks of Pakistan, it is always with the same negative tone and disgusting news. For years and years, I've been trying to defend my Pakistan. Now it has come to the point that there is nothing left to defend. When I come across people talking against Pakistan, I just bow down my head and try to escape quickly from that place. Believe me, it is so humiliating. I must say that I'm shocked and disgusted with all these acts of barbarism and horror. I have no words to express my anger. It has come to the point that my mind refuses to absorb new shocks. I
Zia Jun 01, 2010 09:08am
Thank you Sana - this was well expressive! The Punjab Law Minister who is Sanaullah should read this and learn some sanity. I wonder how Nawaz Sharif can tolerate this man in his brother's cabinet
Baiji Jun 01, 2010 09:09am
Well all Pakistanis take pride in the fact that Pakistan 95% of the population of pakistan is Muslims (in other words pure).
Mansura B Minhas Jun 01, 2010 11:44am
Thanks Sana! This gives me hope that there are rational and sane people left in Pakistan. Since the day of this grave tragedy, I have been perturbed to see the lack of protests in Pakistan condemning this massacre. Where are the protests and banners on the streets which become visible at the slightest of injustice??? All we hear in the electronic media are the muted responses riddled with conspiracy theories. You have very well mentioned the reason for the hushed-up response- extreme bias and deep rooted hatred for the Ahmadis. What happened at Jinnah hospital yesterday is enough proof that the government machinery has failed to provide adequate security and Ahmadis have no rights in Pakistan. This comes as no surprise as Ahmadis have been ostracized from the mainstream since decades and continue to suffer the worst form of state sanctions to their liberties and freedom. The silent majority needs to wake up and shed its complacency before Pakistan is completely taken over by the Mullahs. These radicals have used Islam for their own advantage and just look what they have done to Pakistan! A country, whose founding father was a secular visionary who perceived a modern, democratic Muslim majority nation has been transformed into a lawless land, where human life has lost sanctity. It makes one wonder if the efforts of the Quaid were in vain. I hope not! The seeds of intolerance were sowed with the second amendment to the constitution. A tool implemented to marginalize the Ahmadis has resulted in devastating consequences for the entire nation. In repealing the amendment lies the salvation for Pakistan and the return to the ideals of the Quaid-e-Azam.
Latif Khan Jun 01, 2010 09:10am
I disagree with your suggestion and advice to the remaining Ahmadis. In fact, I remember my Ahmadi student friends that they never participated in any kind of strike, procession or agitation against the government. They have been taught to remain loyal to the rule of law and faithful to the country. They have been butchered everywhere in Pakistan but they are not supposed to cry or raise voices. It appears very strange to me now. However, according to them, they seek help from Allah and how Allah helps them. It is anyone's guess.
Istiaq ahmad Jun 01, 2010 09:11am
I have a feeling that many Pakistani sunnies after Zia ul haque generation are so much brain washed by teaching of false history and hatred towards other religions, that they may not be happy with this killings of Ahmadies but deep in side their hearts they may be thinking that Ahmadies deserve it and worrying part is that lot of them will be future leaders of Pakistan so there is no hope for minorities in Pakistan unless Pakistan teaches its future generation tolerance towards other faiths and gives more importance to science and humanities then Islam in their education
parvin Jun 01, 2010 09:11am
Well written Sana and as appreciated by others in this blog. Lately, DAWN has truly been a revelation through which Ahmadis have been able to express themselves. But we can only pray and leave everything to Allah for normality, tolerance and understanding to return and prevail in Pakistan. As a matter of fact, if you watch PTV Gobal, you will come across a five-minute report aired daily of alleged atrocities by Indian troops to Muslims in occupied Jammu and Kashmir. Ironically, in Pakistan the situation of atrocities is the same to its minority inhabitants in Pakistan. In the program, one has only to change the name of the perperators from Indians to Pakistanis and it fits in very nicely of the prevailing situationin Pakistan. What a poser PTV and Government of Pakistan is?
Suresh Jun 01, 2010 09:14am
Jinnah, it is said, just used one typewriter to save (Pakistani) Muslims from the majority Hindus. Now, who will save the Pakistani minority and how?
Ali M Jun 01, 2010 09:18am
all of 'us' owe an apology. we should never forget that we are all equal beings regardless of our differences
Aaron Jun 01, 2010 09:19am
Please do not portray this terrorism act as an act of sectarian violence.
A Worried Pakistani Jun 01, 2010 11:54am
Thank You Miss! What has happened to my dear country and it's people is beyond my imagination. Please people wake up. This is the time. Our country needs us. No matter what religion, sect or faith we belong to, we are all PAKISTANI.
Ali M Jun 01, 2010 09:20am
all of us owe an apology. we should never forget we are equal beings regardless of our differences
ahsan Jun 01, 2010 09:24am
Dear sana - killing any one has been prohobited in the religion. But that's not what I am gonna talk about. There has to be a difference between a muslim and an ahmadi. There is a reason why their place of worships are not called msques. A child is guided by his parents and teachers and is not left at the mercy of outsuiders. Because a child will mould according to the person guiding him or who is responsible for his upbringing. Same is the issue with a person irrespective of which religion he belongs to. If non-ahmadis are to mingle with ahmadis then they are bound to astray from the basic fundamentals of islam. If their place of worship is also called a mosque and if they are also allowed the right of an azaan (issue raised in another blog by saba imtiaz) a normal human beign will not be able to differnciate between the two and it will not be surprising that they will find themselves following them. Although I condemn the killing of ahmadis but while we all discuss this topic we need to give due wiegtage that this is entirely a separate community which if not controlled will create a bigger problem from a religious point of view. Peace.
Shabir Jun 01, 2010 09:27am
When a nation thus conducts itself, and collectively abrogates responsibility to fulfil its obligations to its own citizen, then this creates a vacum. A vacum that by the laws of nature gets filled. The worry is we do not know who or what will fill the vacum - will it be friend of foe? As a Pakistani living abroad, I shudder to think what will happen next.
Javeriya Jun 01, 2010 09:37am
Aptly put.
Irfan Hussain Jun 01, 2010 12:05pm
Umair, When one perticular brand of Islam term all the other sects as 'non-believers' and release the fatwa for their killing as 'justified' as per their definition of Islam; the question of 'Minority Killings' will be kept raising. What's the reason that only Mosques and Churches of minorities are always attacked, and the people supporting Taliban are always safe?
Adeel Sarfraz Jun 01, 2010 10:09am
Pakistan being a Muslim state has a duty to safeguard the rights of all minorities whether they be Hindus, Christians, Sikhs or Ahmedis for that matter. I was really shocked by the way armed men stormed inside and killed over 90 people in a couple of hours. I am very grieved by their loss and hope the Government takes some concrete steps to safeguard all the people of Pakistan regardless of caste or creed.
Ammar Jun 01, 2010 10:10am
such an amazing article, m out of words, dunno wat to say.... Excellent job!
Vince, USA Jun 01, 2010 10:13am
Quite frankly it seems to go on every day as far as I see. The only thing missing here is the people blaming "outsiders"
Imran Jun 01, 2010 10:14am
AoA, I would like to pass on the heartiest thanks to Sana Saleem for bravely act on talking on the issue which was always a pause for all Pakistanis as they believe whatever said by the Mullah/Molvi of the Mosque is right. Sana you have mentioned lots of facts and pointed light on lots of unanswered question. I am not sure as many other Ahmedi'a that media is much opened and free to share the views of common men and countrymen of Pakistan like me.
manulegend Jun 01, 2010 10:18am
Sorry to say Yusuf, but this is the exact same thing the terrorists want you to think. Terrorists do have a religion and they are hijacking your religion. If that doesnt give shudders to you and other true muslims then what will? The statement "terrorists do not have religion" is a politically motivated statement and thus absolves the other followers of the faith of responsibility of condemnation. Rather than counting dead muslims, please count dead human beings. When they do not care whether you are a muslim or not, you should count humans. This is not a single incident Yusuf. Sorry to come down heavily, but show me a contiguous two-week period in the past 2-and-half years of Pakistan's history where there is not a single terrorist attack killing people? People have become numb to such acts and pass sympathetic comments. Until they are victimized.
odiwala Jun 01, 2010 10:19am
nice , bold work...
Shafi Jun 01, 2010 10:45am
Thank you for calling the spade a spade. Pakistan is supposed to be an Islamic state but without the practice of true spirit of Islam. Intellectuals, media and other so called Muslim Pakistani's have been living in a state of denials for decades. They have been living in a jungle from which they cannot escape. Their behaviour remains unchanged even when they migrate to other countries. Pakistani's are being shunned in every country of the world and that includes most Muslim countries. I am a Pakistani but am ashamed of being one because of the inhuman and barbaric actions of my fellow countrymen. Pakistan as know was a beautiful country with a potential to become safe and tolerant paradise but has become a virtually ' no go' area. The corruption and incompetence of the authorities are mostly responsible to the present state of affairs. Unless the governance of the country improves there is no chance of any let up of the violence. Although I do not like the Military rule but objectively speaking there was more peace then than now. Up to 2007 we used to visit Pakistan every year without fear but we have not been there for the last three years because of the deteriorating law and order. As for the investors who in the right mind would like to invest in Pakistan?
Chand Jun 01, 2010 10:50am
All this outpouring of outrage from educated classes is heartening, but it's the masses you need to reach. Does this sort of soul searching happen in Urdu media and TV? If not all this is nothing more than some people just unburdening their guilt feelings that's all.
waqar Jun 01, 2010 10:52am
Well why everyone is focusing on Friday attack? I mean attacks like Friday are like trend for terrorists. We had several attacks on mosques in last 5 or 7 years including every school of thought. I should consider a full army operation on complete country.
Kashif Bashir Bhatti Jun 01, 2010 10:53am
I think that we should not label this incident as a religious one as it seems from the blog. We have witnessed attacks on Jamia Naimia and R.A Bazar which were both on Religious Schools but no one said at that time that it was performed by minorities or people from other sect. And please note that this attack is very similar to those attacks. Also we seen attacks on many other Masjids in cities other than Lahore. Everyone condemns these kinds of attacks but labeling them religious acts is also a crime. We should not indulge in the dicsussion of minority/majority but to think what should be done to avoid these kind of accidents in future.
Abu Aayan Jun 01, 2010 10:57am
Dear Manohar, Honestly this is not about facing the same fate or not. Being an Ahmadi we have no issue at all in facing the hardships in the path of true faith - who else had been more exposed to all this than us ??? But it is ACTUALLY a matter of faith. We not only strongly believe in Islam but we DO PRACTICE it. We do not believe in reacting and than over reacting and then.. ... What Islam teaches its TRUE followers is just what we have done. "We leave our case to the court of God", is what was said. Because undoubtedly He is the best judge. And to tell you the truth, since we believe that we are TRUE Muslims, so we get more upset about this Society and the country. Because after being treated like this we are so certain that God's taqdeer is not not going to spare this society and country - which does depress us because despite being so maltreated we always have the pain for the same people who spray bullets on us and who detonate suicide jackets onto us. Just because this is what the religion is all about. The slogan of Jama'at-e-Ahmadiyya is "Love for All - Hatred for None" - Isn't the whole world a witness that we have PRACTICALLY demonstrated this? If we are so honest in demonstrating this one slogan - Just trust us we are LOT MORE honest when we express our beliefs and recite Kalima and say that we are Muslims... But having said all this no matter how much do we pray for the country the people here seem to be so determined to pull the whole society to the edge of destruction which seemingly is becoming the destiny. We STILL PRAY and hope that some day voices like Ms. Sana, Nadeem F Paracha, and few others will actually gain strength and then these will strengthen each other to bring out the change - Aameen. Lastly Thank you Dawn - Thank you so much for doing all this; not for Ahmadies but for the sake of this country, society, Religion, and Humanity.
Salma Jun 01, 2010 11:12am
Very well written Sana! Why is is ok to kill a person of a different denomination/faith (depending on ones belief)! Pakistan's problems will persist until every Pakistani is valued regardless of faith/cast/ethnicity because for any nation to prosper unity needs to exist! An Ahmadi is no less Pakistani then a sunni or a shia or hindu or christian! Wake up Pakistani your country is being raped and pillaged in the name of Islam and ironically it was created as a safe haven for minorities from a greater India!
Zafar ul Haq Jun 01, 2010 11:16am
We need to understand the word nation. We have never been independent nation since our independence. The mulla groups who were at first against the independence of this country started to work on their new agenda. It is pity but truth that Muslims tend to live better majority than in minority. Our Mullas don't have time to understand the beautiful teachings of Islam. Instead their main emphasis is on spreading hatred and extremist views against other sects of Islam. What set aside the sect of Ahmadiyya is it's peaceful teaching towards fellow-beings and thereby interpretation of word Jihad. GREAT article Miss Sana and I hope their could be more minds like yours who think neutral and have patience to live in harmony with differing views.
kaleem Jun 01, 2010 11:17am
Thank you Sana! and thank you Dawn! I am not sure if you know the full extent of comfort comments likes yours give us in this moment of total disappointment and hopelessness. In the bigger scheme of things this article may not mean a great deal but it will certainly give us a ray of hope that Pakistan is not yet a forgone conclusion.
Sabir Ayub Rabbani Jun 01, 2010 11:20am
hello... Well its a good article but this is the first time that ahmadi's have been attacked... what about all the other people being killed before this... dont mark this as a minority is happening to everybody in Pakistan.. They have attacked mosques before so its nothing new... you are making this a big deal because this time minority was attacked...what about the kids who were killed in the mosque in its happening every where...dont make the situation worse by writing these kind of articles.. Sabir Ayub.
tahir hamid Jun 01, 2010 11:28am
There is more to this attack upon the Ahmadis than that meets the eye...this act of open terrorism conducted by Tehreek Taliban Pakistan does not seem to be meant to harass a has been conducted by TTP which is a mercenary outfit to show that Muslims are intolerant of other faiths...efforts should be made to eliminate TTP and other violent outfits across the nation....
Asad Khan Jun 01, 2010 11:48am
@Yusuf, what about the people killing ahmadies and other minorities over decades ?? I guess these people are the same and seriously i do not believe that this attack was just the normal procedure. @Sana : Great article. It's high time we stand up and stay united against extremists and those mullahs (not even worth the word) who preaches and teaches hate and motivate our young generation to kill.
Shaista Hussain Jun 01, 2010 11:49am
Sana what an inspiring post! If only all of us would think that way, there would be no more Garhi Shahos and Gojras. Your statement pretty much sums up our current dilemma, "Somewhere in our tussle to become pioneers of Islam and the darling of the West, we have stopped being human. " It takes a lot of courage to also speak out the truth in current times....Bravo. Very well done girl!
Tahir Chaudhry Jun 01, 2010 11:50am
Sajid Khan Jun 01, 2010 11:54am
Sana, May God Bless you for your effort to raise voice against the violence, intolerance and injustice. Perhaps, if 50% of the young people begin to think this way and raise their voice, a positive change can come to Pakistan. Otherwise, there is no hope. No cleric, no Politian, not even a super power can bring peace to Pakistan. You see Allah does not change a condition of nations unless they change themselves. If Pakistanis want to save their country and live peacefully, the moderate Pakistanis must wake up and speak against violence, intolerance, and injustice consistently and loudly. They should not stop until a positive change take place in Pakistan. May Allah enable Pakistani youth to bring a positive change in Pakistan where people from different faith can live in peace and harmony. Ameen. Sajid USA
Ali from Vancouver, Canada Jun 01, 2010 12:46pm
Good Article! Hope Mr. Bhutto or General Zia ul Haq were alive today so they could see with their own eyes what they have done to Qaid e Azam's Pakistan. What a shame it is to tell people here in Canada that we are from Pakistan. There's no pride left anymore...
Dilep Jun 01, 2010 11:55am
This is a good beginning by a woman.. Seema.., that you . You seem to have have started this spark of a little sanity. I can only imagine what a difference would it make to the social fabric in Pakistan if this is sustained. I dare suggest that it is the women in Pakistan , who need to take to the streets and begin a peaceful process to wake up the children/ youth .Take things in your hands.. your clergy or the military/political leadership have long since lost their way!. Only when you defy the religious leadership , will there be a semblance of a new thought process for the social revival in Pakistan. Otherwise it is always going to be chicken or egg.
Imran Jun 01, 2010 12:52pm
A very good article and a bold effort.
SL Jun 01, 2010 01:03pm
May God be with you!
Khan_Ghalzai Jun 01, 2010 01:05pm
Sana: Thanks for raising awareness, the insensitive nation of Pakistan need more writers and leaders like you who can articulate between right and wrong. Pakistani legislation needs to pass hate crime laws immediately to protect the minorities. Any one gives a sermon about declaring Shia, Whabis, Ahmedies, Hindus or Christians wajbul qatal, he/she should be locked up, that mullah is enemy of humanity.
Ali from Vancouver, Canada Jun 01, 2010 01:10pm
We should all pray for our Pak Watan and it's people.
Shunya Jun 01, 2010 01:12pm
I agree. Its only the minority of extremists who are making life a living hell for the Pakistanis living in Pakistan and difficult for Pakistanis living abroad. The Government of Pakistan owes to its citizens to eradicate this type of extremist thinking. How to undo what Zia Ul Huq has done should be the main agenda of the Government and the think tank.
Mohannad Ali Ilahi Jun 01, 2010 12:09pm
Sana Appa You ve done a great job coming out openly and speaking about issues which only a few even dare to speak about..I ve lost many loved ones in the attacks on Model Town and Garhi Shahu and many more have been injured.Despite this tragedy the hate and prejudice against the community remains which i m afraid to say has been stimulated by the government itself..Shame on Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif..They think money will bring back the loved ones.. Will the mothers get their sons back? Will the widows get their husbands back? Will the children get their fathers back? NO! The help of the Punjab government had already been sought but the security they extended to the community was none other than deplorable..
Rashid Yahya Jun 01, 2010 12:53pm
It is a beautiful article. Thank you Miss Sana for a thought provoking article.
SYED AHSAN IMAM RIZVI Jun 01, 2010 12:51pm
I totally agree with the views expressed by the author in her article. unfortunately we are living in a closed society and the thoughts of peoples are getting narrower with every passing day.The only way forward for Pakistan is to give equal rights and opportunites to all its inhabitants irrespecitve of their religious beliefs and to prevent these day to day incident a massive crackdown is needed on those places whereever such extremism is taught ,and i think it cannot be acheive without the participation of the peoples. we all have to discourage this tendency of discrimination aganist the minorities and also deal with this extremist element with an iron hand and it is solely in our own interest. We all are Pakistani irrespective of our creed so we all will have to unite and stand together if we really want to end the menace of terrorism from our midst.
Mohannad Ali Ilahi Jun 01, 2010 12:12pm
Saddest day of Pakistan
just another person Jun 01, 2010 12:18pm
well said manulegend!
just another person Jun 01, 2010 12:23pm
That is exactly right latif, and well said
Sohail Jun 01, 2010 01:15pm
Dear Sana Thank you for writing this wonderful defence in the aid of humanity. I am amazed at some of the responses that link the Qadiani Mosque incidents to the common attacks in Pakistan. The uniqueness of this event is pointing the finger at the second amendment of 1974- which declared Ahmadiyya non-Muslims. This effectively is the license to kill granted by the government itself, changing of that is obviously not high on agenda as the elections come round too often for politicians to loose any earned popularity. The expectation from government for blaming its own constitution is very amusing, no wonder Qadianis seem content with trust in Allah. I can see where they are coming from.
A.P Jun 02, 2010 07:25am
I totally agree Sara...Pakistanis really need to wake up now and strengthen the unity amongst ourselves....feel for our fellow country men be them Ahmadis Christians Hindus.......we are one on this land and under its sky ...wake up before its too late. long live Pakistan
Janjua Jun 01, 2010 01:17pm
I really appreciate the courage and thoughtfulness of the writer. It's very True that Pakistani nation has become so "insensitive" towards these atrocities and killings. The killings of innocent Ahmadi's is a different case from the other brutal killings because this incident and hate against Ahmadi's are state sanctioned.
ayesha Khan Jun 02, 2010 06:41am
"Assumption"? After 90 deaths we are still talking about assumption?
vilas Jun 02, 2010 07:22am
When are you going to stop these killings? When are you going to learn to respect others faith? when are you going to grow up? When are you going to say enough is enough. Or you want to be in stone age even though rest of the world marches ahead?
Muhammad Imran Jun 01, 2010 01:25pm
Allah Subhana Talla, says that they are the lucky people who give their lives for the sake of their faith, in the way of Islam,. The followers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) always remained ready to sacrifice their life for Islam. I want to say if no one is ready to protect this innocent community then God says in the QURAN that " He is the best protector and he is the best Planner" That's the reaction I had seen on the Ahmadi people faces they are determined that God will Protect them and He will take care of them. I am from Canada and i had seen that this community making progress tremendously and I think they are the real preacher and defender of Islam and Ahmadis are increasing in number in the whole western world./
Ambreen Jun 01, 2010 01:25pm
Thanks Sana for this post. I am extremely saddened with the hatred that seems to have engulfed our society, I often wonder never having experienced this kind of emotion that what will drive people to this kind of extreme inhumane behaviour? Just to clarify I am not looking for justification, I want to know when having lived in the same society, I know what is wrong is wrong! there are so called educated folks out there who as you said are providing history lessons, relgious justification etc. These people did not commit the crime but they are as much guilty and sadly they are all around. Where does their hatred come from and so much of it that they can't even offer condolences to fellow countrymen. I am so sorry and ashamed...
sara Jun 01, 2010 01:26pm
I agree with you 100% it is indeed VERY shameful to be called a Pakistani especially if you live in the US. Every day i keep wondering what's in store for Pakistan today? another target killing or a bomb explosion? andnit's only the poor that suffers and not the rich. It's indeed very sad.
Raza Jun 01, 2010 01:30pm
Inna Lillaha Wa Inna Elahay Rajeon. Very sad day Indeed for all of us, since those who were killed were innocent people. May forgive their sins and rest their souls in peace and punish those who are behind this mass killings. Ameen. Due to injustice, hatred and dishonesty in the nation Allah impose corrupt rulers as mention in Holy Quran and thats exactly whats happening in Pakistan, May Allah keep all sincere Pakistani safe, Ameen
sara Jun 01, 2010 01:32pm
How true I wish we can instill this in the older generation. I guess the new generation is aware of this fact but is brain washed by the older lot.
Sajid Jun 01, 2010 01:37pm
One has to comment that article has an element of mistrust. Pakistan as it is today, no one group of people is safe. This issue should not just surround the minority, how many other communities within Pakistan have been targeted with greater losses. So those that want to raise the issue of Humanitarian grounds should do so collectively and not be selective. If something of this nature happens, then one should look at the issue subjectively. What happens is we get all the anti-mulla chaps, who for anything that happens in Pakistan in the name of Islam tend to like blame someone, then who more better than mulla's. Or we get the so called
Zaurayze Tarique Jun 01, 2010 01:39pm
Very well written and targetting the root of the problem. Killing innocent civilians is one thing but showing ignorance to the suffering that follows is totally another. I don't know who is a martyr and who is not, i will leave that to Him to decide. But what i do know is that the blood that spilled was red just like mine, the pain that an orphan must have felt would gave been just like mine when I lost my mother and the widows mourn the loss of their beloveds as I have seen in my family. There is no justification, mere lame excuses in a power struggle that is taking an ugly shape. What and whom did it benefit? Definitely not the religion. A shameless act of barbarism done in the name of a religion that wants proof before punishment and peace before war.
sara Jun 01, 2010 01:42pm
LOVED the article. God knows when these Maulvis will leave our country alone. Masjid's should only be allowed to appointment Maulvis if he is is a college graduate and not a mut who attended only 'Madrasah' teachings. Guys khudah keh liye wake up and save our country from these goons and Hooligans. God Bless PAKISTAN.
Saeed Jun 01, 2010 01:53pm
Dear Ahsan, Your very reply openly calls for discrimination against a community. You have absolutely no right to call any group non-muslim so long as they themselves prefer to be called muslims. Why are you so paranoid that you need to use the State of Pakistan to do your own dirty work? Perhaps it is your own insecurity. if you think you are following the right path and are a true muslim, it should be reflected in your own behavior. Suppressing other groups to ensure success of your own, only goes to show your own insecurity. Perhaps you are not sure about your own faith or its survival
somu Jun 01, 2010 01:58pm
My heart and prayer goes to the Ahmadi community and every one else killed by these evil terrorists and their promoters. A sad day not only because of the deaths, but it takes "bravery" from Sana to condemn these attacks. Yes, Sana is very brave, courageous. We have to recognize the fact that it requires bravery to even condemn these mindlessly savage acts. A question - Jinnah created Pakistan so that Muslims can be treated fairly by other Muslims. How many Muslims are killed each year and in the last 30 years in Pakistan vs. India. When I say Muslims, it includes all denominations, shia, sunni and other minority sects of Muslims. Does it take courage and bravery to say that Muslims are more unsafe in Pakistan than in India. Another related question - How is it that the % of Muslim population increases and most of them are peaceful, no Muslim killing other Muslims? As a nation, Pakistan must realize there are no good terrorists and bad terrorists. As long as the likes of Hafeez Saeed are allowed to roam free, Pakistan will not be safe and India will not be safe either.
praveen Jun 01, 2010 01:58pm
Pakistan has a great future as long as people like you are in full supply.
Omar K. Haroon Jun 01, 2010 02:04pm
Aptly put. If only we had more people like you to voice these views in the Urdu media and the general masses as well we could achieve so much more. We are so keen on protesting against atrocities committed against Muslims in the west yet we turn a blind eye when the minorities within our own country are oppressed and their rights denied. As such, I'm only left wondering what will become of this state.
Mkhan Jun 01, 2010 02:04pm
Sorry, Mr Manohar Lal...Infact Ahmadis will not protest because they have a strong faith and they are peaceful people. Their religion, the True Islam, teaches them tolerence and respect for every mankind on this earth. Their everlasting belief in their Creator, Allah The Almighty, does not make them cowards but these type of testing periods make them even stronger than before. They sacrifised their lives whenever Pakistan demanded and will always be happy to sacrifice for Islam and their country.- Thank you Daily Dawn and Ms.Sana for raising the humanity voices... Appreciated very much.Show quoted text -
Raki Jun 01, 2010 02:09pm
Oh my goodness, this article is so prophetic. I am going to save it in my documents. One day in future, it will prove itself to be true. When that day comes I am going to re-read it, and share it others. For a long time I have been blaming it on the leaders of Pakistan. But now I am certain that it is not only the leaders but the people of Pakistan that need to change. The history of mankind has shown that the change in the mindset of people takes generations to come about. The only short-cuts have been through revolutions and wars: the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, World War II defeats of Germany and Japan. However, in the recent past there have been two changes that came about without any violence but whose impact have been as great as that of revolutions mentioned above: The socioeconomic, political and geographic changes brought about by Gorbachev's policies of glasnost and perestroika. And, the controlled move towards the free market economy system by the Chinese Communist Party. The above two nonviolent revolutions were made possible by the level of education among the Russian and Chinese people. Education, not in terms of years in school but in understanding the fact that the solutions of their present and future problems lie in today's world and not in the glories that were achieved centuries and millenniums ago. The situation in Pakistan will not turn around till the people of Pakistan do not realize that a millennium and a half old book can be the basis of an individual's faith, but not the solution to the social, economic, political, administrative and judicial problems Pakistan has been facing since its formation. That place of honor belongs to the Constitution of Pakistan.
keith Jun 01, 2010 02:20pm
I am an Ahmadi Muslim. we sit in silence, while being persecuted by many in many countries. I have no demand of this government, it is with ALLAH that i pray for restraint. In the Quran it says that any Muslim who calls someone who claims to be a Muslim, a non Muslim, is themselves the non Muslim. I do not see the logic behind the mullahs thought processes. remember that lift boy who was apparently murdered by Ahmadi youths, a mullah said that he would throw himself off of a building if the man was alive....years later he came out of hiding and yet the mullahs feet was firmly on the ground! thus is our sincerity, we are Muslims.
Muhammad Ilyas Khan Jun 01, 2010 02:21pm
You just side tracked the real issue Mr Ahsan. Got onto the trivialities in this grave issue of extremism and bigotry.
Muhammad Ilyas Khan Jun 01, 2010 02:23pm
Best article on the issue. God bless!
maz Jun 01, 2010 02:24pm
Salaam Sana well done for having the guts to speak up and say what is right. The people of Pakistan and most of the Muslim world leadership fails to understand basic things which Islam gave to the Muslims to be ambassadors and leaders over others what every they believed etc and provide for them all their needs of love friendship companionship security food and shelter etc. the UN Human rights charter is completely taken from what the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) taught us, how sad Muslims have lost the hold on that and allowed others to lead with our ways and we have abandoned them. These evil Mullahs don't want women educated and working as this way the women get to expose them so they treat them like fodder yet Islam requires ALL including women to attain the highest of highest educations as they are the ones that bare children and spend most time with them if they therefore are educated they will instill that in their children and if they are not they will also have children that will struggle in life. the men that prefer no to have beards will be all be forced to have a beard etc this is what is coming next to middle class Pakistan is scary and only then i feel they will try to make a stand and then it will be too late. We must take Pakistan back to the basics on which it was built by our founding father who i would like to remind the audience was persuaded to fight for a Muslim homeland by Ahmadies even his press conference confirming this was done on the lawns of the Ahmadi London worship place. How sad a state is our beloved Pakistan in.
Pervez Khan Jun 01, 2010 02:29pm
I watched in horror the carnage in Lahore and was even more deeply disturbed and saddened by the language used by the commentators on various TV channels. They kept calling the Shias, the Qadianis and the Christians
Raki Jun 01, 2010 02:31pm
We should not get bogged down with matters of nomenclature. Every minority has a right to 'Call to Pray'. It does not matter if we call it 'Pukar' instead of 'Azaan'. I would also like to mention that both Catholics and Protestants have been calling their places of worship as a church without any problems.
LOVER99 PALTALK Jun 01, 2010 02:35pm
Nice effort on very sad incident. Thanks Sana. World is moving forward but we muslim are on reverse gear. We muslim are not ready to accept other religion or sec.
Ata Jun 02, 2010 07:02am
I really appreciate your writing stuff. Kindly let me add something with it. Whatever has happened last Friday it never happened in the history of Pakistan and everyone has its own story of imaginations and excuses for the horrific event.
Mohan Jun 02, 2010 07:02am
What makes a 'Muslim' pure compared to a non muslim? Just because one is born into a religion does not make one pure or not. Its the deeds of the person that is the true test of one's humanity and purity.
TAHIR Jun 02, 2010 07:09am
My heart bleed for the plight of Pakistan. Pakistani need to stay away from these so called Mullahs(protector of Islam)and start reading about Prophet of Islam
Noor Jun 02, 2010 07:18am
Well said. Not evil, just that the "silent majority" who are educated and can at least pick up a pen and write,or peacefully voice their protest, are sleep walking into the definition of the "irrelevant silent majority". IMHO Noor
Amaar Jun 01, 2010 02:39pm
Good article! We need more like this ... Nawa i Waqt, Jang and The News need to be inundated by articles like these (in urdu too). The conservative religious parties of this country would probably not be satisfied with anything less than the destruction of Pakistan.
Jamil Jun 01, 2010 02:40pm
Allhumdulillah !!!! Great article sister... and thanks for taking the step that inshallah many more will be taking in the near future...
Mkhan Jun 01, 2010 02:41pm
Mr. Aayan, You have explained your beliefs very well and I am sure people will learn from it one day, InshaAllah.
Hasan Jun 01, 2010 02:42pm
A wonderful article. The silence of the Pakistani people is truly deafening. Every one of us bears blame for what we have let happen to the Ahmedis. I remember recounting to a dear friend how shameful it was that Shahbaz Sharif had the word "Muslim" removed from Abdus Salam's tombstone. To my horror, my friend was silent for a while and then said, "well.......they really aren't Muslims you know." I said nothing. We as Pakistanis have stood by and have let our country become the sectarian hell it now is. All of us sign the "religion" section of our passports upon renewal every 5 years and attest to the fact that Ghulam Hussain Qadian was "an impostor". Why do we silently put up with this? Even your newspaper refuses to call the Ahmedi masjids anything but "places of worship". The tragedy of this situation goes beyond the loss of precious lives. Pakistan, for many of us, is a good as dead.
Farhat Jun 01, 2010 02:43pm
Please Sabir Ayub sahib, do not add insult to injury. Yes, there have been mosques attacked in the past like the one in December 2009(a horrible attack that we all condemn), but do not forget the scale and nature of these attacks. Examine the way in which these worshipers streets were lined with hate slogans just as they walked to go pray everyday... Examine the way in which they were given no protection in the face of these constant threats
LOVER99 PALTALK Jun 01, 2010 02:44pm
Nice effort on sad incident by Sana, Thank you I brought up in same locality (ghari Shahu). Feel so sad its happen in my community. Since I m away from that place since long, so not sure if any friend hurt or killed? Nice days are gone back many many years ago, regardless religion we use to play cricket, enjoy each others company. We had tolerance for each other, but today religous rift are gone so far killing is so common and against our faith and beleif " ek insaan ka qatel saaree insaneate ka qatel haa" please pay attention on word insaneate not muslim. Thanks khalid USA
Juni Bhai Jun 01, 2010 02:45pm
Actions not words speak louder! So what are we going to do about this treatment towards minorities? Unfortunately, nobody could do anything in our social system.
M. Salim Jun 01, 2010 02:45pm
well articulated and excellent write-up - hopefully the "enlightened intelligentsia" will wake-up and be counted to condemn the senseless and cowardly attack on innocent Pakistanis
Umair Ahmad Jun 01, 2010 02:55pm
Solution is a secular Pakistan. You can debate all you want here but you can not achieve peace in Pakistan until its taken off the claws of one faith or the other. Thank you Sana. Its a very thoughtful article. Keep writing.
vinod Kapoor Jun 01, 2010 02:59pm
There is no religion without HIM. How will GOD accept who kills beings in his name? No prophet spoke ill of any religion or people, a doctor cures and not speak ill of the patient. Do not hate the perpetrators of evil but pity. How will they answer HIM. Good person brings praise to his parents, family and teachers. Following HIM spreads his love. HE is the judge. Can you judge any Faith, belief or people?
Bilal Jun 01, 2010 03:01pm
The writer has clearly pointed out hatred in common Pakistanis against Ahmadis, but we have never shown outrage and anger on this. This is because our community norms ask us to be loyal and peaceful in whatever country we are living. This incident is a great tragedy, but it is our tradition that we face every difficulty with grace and patience. Our first and last resort is our belief in God, in past we have witnessed his blessing and help and we are hopeful to be blessed in future too. Thanks to all those who sympathize with Ahmadiyya Community. LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE.
Venkat Jun 01, 2010 03:10pm
Mr. Ahsan, Congratulations!! With your words, especially the last paragraph, you have provided the `decent language' used by every extremist of every creed on the planet to justify their modus operandi. With geniuses like this living among them, do Pakistanis even have the right to bring up `mistreatment of Muslims in India' anymore?
Faisal Jun 01, 2010 03:10pm
I believe there is a need for a "Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedom as accorded by Islam". Yes everything is in Quran and Sunnah, but now it needs to be summarized in to no more than 15 points. This document should define how to treat Muslims, Mushriks, Murtids, Gender, Nationality, Color, freedom of speech etc. This document would be the mirror that shows us who we are, and to others what they can expect from us. There is too much confusion, a concise, simple, itemized document is required to explain Human rights and Freedom as Islam has provisioned.
yusuf Jun 01, 2010 03:11pm
Yes thats the point.....
yusuf Jun 01, 2010 03:15pm
Dear Irfan, what about those people who were killed by these 'Taliban' belonging to their own religion??? I keep on saying these terrorists, wherever they come from, just count the dead bodies and thats all.
Murad Jun 01, 2010 03:20pm
Please point me to the relevant pages in the holy book where it says so. People who did this were following the real teachings of Islam, the sooner we admit this, the better it is for all of us. Muslims have always been intolerant of other religions. It is in our history. The golden age of Arab Muslims was the Abassiad period when all four Imams were in jail. The golden age of Indian Muslims was Akbar, Jehangir and Shah Jehan's time, the secular era. The golden age of Islam in my mother country of Kashmir was Budshah's time, again a secular king. The same is true of Spain. It is not an accident that whenever a true Islamic state was created.....Zia's Pakistan, Aurangzeb's India or AfghanIstan of Taliban......innocent people who did not fulfill the definition of true Muslim....paid with their lives. We can continue to say that Islam is a religion of peace but history, I hate to say, tells us something else.
Raki Jun 01, 2010 03:20pm
Yes, those were the days! Thanks to education, tolerance and mutual respect such instances are still there, and increasing.
Imran (Canada) Jun 01, 2010 03:21pm
Though I am not a Ahmedi but have many friends among them. What a absolute tragedy, Yes they have been treated this way for quite a long time. Just remember the countless Ahmedis that have laid down their lives in war of 1965, 1971 and wazirstan before making them a second class citizen.
True MUSLIM Jun 01, 2010 03:30pm
Very nice and informative article Sana Some questions for Mr. Ahsan Do you know the true meaning of ISLAM, thought by our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUM)? Do you ever heard or any of your true Muslim teachers/parents told you the incident happened during one of the wars in Arab, when one non-Muslim read the qalima when he was captured by one Muslim Sahabi fearing he will be killed and was actually killed by this Sahabi, when Hazoor (PBUM) asked the Sahabi why he killed him eventhough we recited the Qalima and Sahabi's response was he read Qalima just to save his life, DO YOU know what was the response of our Dear Nabi Hazrat Muhammad (PBUM)? Do you really know the difference between Ahmadi Muslim and other Muslims or your opinion is just based on what is being fed to your mind by the illiterate mullahs of our country? IF not please ask.
Fayyaz Shah Jun 01, 2010 03:31pm
Fair point Ayub. A lot of people are suffering because of intolerance. Over the years, society has planted a lot of seeds for hatred. It is those seeds of hatred that are being leveraged by groups to cause these type of terrorism activities. To get rid of these seeds of hatred, we need to understand the depth of these seeds of hatred. Different seeds have different depth. Would you agree that Ahmadis is the only sect that cannot recite Quran in public, cannot say Qalama in public etc. So they have been impacted by these seeds of hatred for a long time. You may not know that three Ahmadis were killed in Faisalabad few months back and another on was killed in Narowal few days after the attacks. Again, to solve the problem we need to understand its depth and I think this article does a good job outlining that.
Alam K.Niazi Jun 01, 2010 03:31pm
Z.A. Bhutto, the flag bearer of social justice was architect of this bigitory behind Lahore massacre. In order to cling to power, he succumbed to pressure from mullahs. Zia followed him, who further encouraged these lunatics in the name of Islam. We are seeing the consquences.
sanjay Jun 01, 2010 03:37pm
"Ahmadies do not vote" - that is a news to me. What can I say more about a democratic country like Pak to prevent a group of basic right (if it is true). Introspection needed. If you don't fix your problem, none will.
Traveller Jun 02, 2010 09:23am
My understanding of this article and the responses is that Sana is objecting to the lack of tolerance in our society that has led to these attacks becoming commonplace. I do not see the self-pity you refer to, it is clearly an indictment of the violence fueled by hatred and intolerance while you seem to think the violence has no cause. I remember when Pakistan was a peaceful country but the hatred for the "other" that is the hearts of so many of us has created a hell on earth.
ahmed Jun 01, 2010 03:44pm
Islam is the greatest religion of all. it is tolerant towards others and teaches us to love -- not hate -- fellow human beings. however, it is a state of affairs in Pakistan that there is still rampant discrimination towards people who have different religious beliefs than the mainstream. here in the US where I live, anybody can practice their religion and yes, you can even tell others about your faith without being shot in the chest. Our prophet was the most tolerant human being ever. How can we call ourselves Muslims when we don't follow his teachings and lead?
sanjay Jun 01, 2010 03:44pm
Liberal leader like Jinnah would not have survived had he lead Pakistan at this state. What is a sad affairs to the great vision, the founding father had!!
arshy Jun 01, 2010 03:44pm
I just want to say " thank you " for writing for our cause and this article has brought me so many tears that you cant imagine. We Ahmadi's are the ones who build Pakistan with Jinnah: my dAd was in the military and served Pakistan to the day he died and now the way we are being treated is really sickening. I hope and pray for all of Pakistan.
AnisA Jun 01, 2010 03:45pm
Great article written with heart, thanks Sana. The cancer has spread allover the body and there is no cure unless a healthy bone marrow is implanted successfully. For a healthy and clean bone marrow, create an anti bigotry law and implement it forcefully. My guess is within three to six months we will start walking anywhere in Pakistan without any fear. Today
Mohannad Ali Ilahi Jun 01, 2010 03:49pm
@ Mr.Ahsan If someone calls himself a Muslim he is to be known as a Muslim..Thats not my view That is what the United Nation Says...Out of the 198 countries of the world Pakistan is the only country which calls Ahmedis non-Muslims..All the other countries consider Ahmadies as Muslims..Pakistan's constitution is considered as one of the most biased in the world not only in terms of religious intolerance but regarding other socio-economic reasons as well put forward by various amendments brought after 1973.. Coming to your second point you seem to be afraid to have the Ahmadies preach their religion as in your opinion they pose a threat to the general public. Every religion has freedom to teach and extend its teachings to people..If the people consider their teachings as divine they have every right to be a part of the community..Governments cant interfere with religions..But sadly in Pakistan that is the case and it has ruined our beloved country shattering the very unity that helped to stabilise and rejuvenate this pure land.
Mohannad Ali Ilahi Jun 01, 2010 03:51pm
Abu Ayan well said my friend.... May God bless u!
Maestro96 Jun 01, 2010 03:54pm
I find most Pakistanis to be highly prejudiced and narrow minded. The hypocrisy knows limit. This society is sick and the hatred that has been propagated by the state since years is taking its toll. Sadly, I only see chaos and destruction if the issues of religious hatred are not addressed properly.
Mubarik Ali Jun 01, 2010 03:58pm
Dear Sana Saleem, Thank you very much for writing such a courageous and wonderful article. You have very well pointed out most of the root causes of melody suffered by us Pakistanis. There is another angle I would like to point out, and that is monetary benefits of religion. Just like different companies producing same goods have to advertise and claim their product superior to the others, likewise every mullah has to sell his brand of Islam and earn his living. Hazrat Baba Bulleh shah has explained mentality of mullah in his poetry very well. He was declared infidel by mullahs of his time and he has confirmed it by writing: Bulleha loke teno kafar khenda Toon akhe ja aho aho. Meaning that people call you Kafar and you say yes, yes you are right. In one of his Kafis he explains mullah as follow. Mullah chod they Ilm kataban da Evan chaaia e bar azaban da Wudu ker lae shouk sharaban da Tere inder bahar pledey ae Loosely translated Hazrat Baba jee says that O mullah better leave the knowledge of books aside. These books have become a load of severe punishment. Better O mullah use wine to perform ablution, as you are filthy inside out. May the souls of the victims of these mullahs rest in peace and may we Pakistanis wake up and put mullah into his proper place.
Hamza Khan Niazi Jun 01, 2010 04:07pm
I don't know Killing Ahmadis is Islam or not but its not Humanity!!!
Umair Jun 01, 2010 04:11pm
Agreed. But there are also a number of mullahs who issue fatwas claiming that anyone who does not participate in their version of Jihad is a Kafir and should be killed. That is the logic by which they convince hundreds of people to blow themselves up in a crowded area full of women and children. And needless to say, their version of 'Islam' brands almost all of Pakistan as Kafir. The Taliban are the ones who launched this attack, and their actions are in no way endorsed by the majority of people in Pakistan, so calling this a "Minority Killing' is just wrong.
ramesh Jun 01, 2010 04:15pm
I salute you for your compassionate and couragious write.I wonder if the government ofPakistan has the moral strength to put right what wrong had been done by Zia ul haq in 1971.
Khanzada Jun 01, 2010 04:21pm
When people do not find a better way to earn cheap footage they resort to bashing Pakistan. So have there not been other acts of violence in Pakistan including target killings. It would be better if we resolve to fight this plague of horror together instead of seeking mileage for individual minorities. Ahmedis are unfortunately the latest victims of this horrible phase that Pakistan is going through. Shias have been targetted in the past. Cricketers have been hit in the past. Enemy does not distingish between what hurts less or what hurts more. Enemy seeks sensation and homes on to anything which makes our divisions more visible. Please let us not fall victims to his designs. The violence against Ahmedis is and should be condemned at all levels. Beyond this let us hold our hands as one community of Pakistanis and go after this bacteria that seeks to hurt us all.
Ayasha Jun 01, 2010 04:21pm
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Simple tolerance could well be the reason for the attack on the Ahmedis, etc. Just look at the demonstrations against Israel today. Do we see this when it comes to the militants? Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.
Karthikeyan V Jun 01, 2010 04:24pm
This is one of the most thought provoking and candid article about the inhumane attack on innocent civilians. I am from India and it pains me to see these things of hatred percolating across nations, within nations and further within humanity. The author had reflected the serious escalating effect these kind of attacks would have if not nipped at the bud. The author's observation of some of the sections of the media which had an indifferent attitude towards covering this whole episode is very true and this happens across the border as well. Such a kind of massacre should be condemned and strict action taken against the offenders who have no religion, caste or creed but endless hatred against humanity in general
mmke2 Jun 01, 2010 04:32pm
Well in my opinion, these kind of articles will create far more distances instead of bridging the gaps. Ahmadia Sect is being declared non muslims by most prominent religious muslim scholars of the world and thats nothing to do with constitution of Pakistan. This does not allow others to kill them mercilessly, It was a barbaric act by terrorist which should be openly condemned at every forum. But they are not the only one being killed in recent 5 to 6 years, every Pakistani is being subjected to same kind of fate being killed indiscriminately by there own fellow brothers. Have you had statistics how many of them were Sunnis, Shia and others, nobody bothered at that time, and all of sudden its being portrayed that a minority is in danger in Pakistan. How many people got killed in mosques in last decade everyone knows. I think we should make appropriate projections of our country on media. Please don't make it a holocaustic hype for which our next generations had to pay.
AMC Jun 01, 2010 04:33pm
At least somebody has courage to say the truth. very brave effort killing in the name of GOD is unacceptabe and inhumane I wonder what answers these MULLAHS, HATE MONGER will give to GOD on day of judgment?
captain nasir khan Jun 01, 2010 04:35pm
Thanks Miss Sana, for the thought provoking article. Infact, You made me moved, to say, if you being a common citizen, thinks like this. Where are these politicians, bureaucrats, Ministers, Generals, religious scholars, Judges of the senior judiciary, and the responsible citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Why don't they think alike this, why don't they feel pain like this, why don't they believe that that they will be answerable one day to God, about the responsibility lied on their shoulders, for providing security and peace to the people of their country. Was this the teaching of father of the nation? Is this the teaching of Holy Prophet? Is this the responsibility of Govt, towards its citizens. Was this the show to demonstrate, to the world for which Pakistan made.. Probably our people and the Govt is not aware, but the fact remains, when have isolated ourselves from the world, for another 50 years to come.
sanjay Jun 01, 2010 04:37pm
That shows the mindset of a society and her future. Prosperity will never come thick line is drawn to separate religion and science/daily life.
javeid Jun 01, 2010 04:37pm
such an amazing article, m out of words, dunno wat to say
sanjay Jun 01, 2010 04:39pm
"difference between a muslim and an ahmadi" is not a problem. How you deal with the difference is the problem. There are difference with so many kind of religious and community in other country. It does not have to violent and discriminatory in the name of islam.
purijammu Jun 01, 2010 04:41pm
I don
Amjad Jun 01, 2010 04:42pm
Who are you fooling? People in Canada and the US understand that Pakistan is dealing with criminals who are on the run. I feel a lot of pride when I tell people in North America that I am from Pakistan and most educated people in North America understand the sacrifices that the Pakistani nation has made to defeat terrorists. We are still making these sacrifices. Yes it's sad when criminals attack innocent civilians- be they mainstream Pakistani Muslims or minorities but Pakistanis are working to defeat them. This is the message I give to people and why the West needs to help Pakistan make the world a safer place like we did when he helped defeat the Soviet Union and end the Cold War.
sanjay Jun 01, 2010 04:48pm
Being taught and action have no relation in Pak. I am sure (may be) none taught anyone to kill in Pak, but what is happening is total different. Everyone knows the reason, just want to deny it.
ali arbab Jun 01, 2010 04:58pm
awesome.... lengthy article ...yet so precise...i totally agree with what future holds for us.....hope it actually doesn't....
Tahir Jun 01, 2010 05:13pm
Yes well said @Sabir Ayub. You represent the true inner feeling of an average Pakistani who has some insight of his religion. Many Pakistani have heard and many joined the chanting slogans of Khatm-e-Nabuwat that Qadianis are 'wajbul qatal'.-----------I feel pity that Sabir Ayub could not dare say (what he wanted to say ) Well done Taliban--: You have served the religion. So what if by your act we become the most disgusted, humiliated nation on earth.
Hasan Jun 01, 2010 05:20pm
Obviously you have learned nothing from this article.
nasir Jun 01, 2010 05:27pm
This is a great article - if only Pakistan was full of individuals like you we would be a great nation
Amir Jun 01, 2010 05:32pm
A muted response to minority killings; A muted response it will remain. There have been posts by some asking why the media is making such a fuss about attack on minority, whilst there have been other attacks as well. The unfortunate fact is that we all have short term memory, and in this case the government is hoping to move on and forget about this case. Now how can they justify these killings despite the fact that the Ahmadi community had requested for security, had provided information to the law enforcement who the people are instigating this. The fact is that all this happened on live TV, where police failed to respond on time, where Ahmadi's rose up and captured two of the attackers. Has this happened before? The fact is that Ahmadi community had a press conference, all the press people were there, but no one showed it or even mentioned it. Because media, just like politicians, are scared. They are scared because if they raise a conscious voice, these animals will turn there teeth towards them, the extremist minority will attack there offices. It has happened before and Media has learned its lesson. Look how the population rose to condemn Israel's attack on the aid ships today. Did any of the same religious party raise a conscious voice against attack on the minorities? Have they ever raised a voice when churches or temples were attached in Pakistan - never. I would request the media, if they have the courage, to ask our Maulanas what there comments are about these atrocities. I am sure they will avoid answering this? They recently avoided condemning suicide bombing recently as well. Overall an excellent, soul searching article. In a few days all this outpour of condemnation will be over, muted. I do not foresee any change in anyone in the near future.
SD Jun 01, 2010 05:34pm
Sana a great job. Allah bless you. The problem with Islam today is that we have left it to Mullahs and so called Ullemas to interpret it. I remember as a child I used to like to have discussions with anyone about what religious teachings are (I want to clarify here that I am not an Ahmedi). The end of pretty much every discussion that I was winning was that "How can I understand Quran, I should repent and only read the Tashreeh i.e., interpretation by some Mullah or so called Ullema". I should just memorize it and recite it in Arabic and never try to understand it myself because I will become Gumrah. I stopped attending Tablighi Jamat when all I heard was hatred spewed against everyone who did not agree with them. I stopped going to the mosque due to same reasons. It was a Khutba at one of the major Eid Gatherings in a major city of Pakistan right after Abdus-Salam won his Noble Prize and the lowly "Molana" who I am sure did not even graduate from a college was spewing venom like "Abdus-Salam" must have sold our secrets that is why he was awarded this prize. I am sure a lots of people in Pakistan still believe it. Do you have any hope from a nation like this? I really do not know how to solve this problem. All I know is that we need to eradicate all Mullahs, Ullemas, Jamats, etc and let people read, understand, lead prayers, and follow Islam as they wish. I know I am going to get a lots of hate mail responses but I am just going to blame you for inciting this in to me. Just kidding. God Bless you and keep you safe.
Madiha A Jun 01, 2010 05:50pm
This is a very bold and honest and well written piece. Thank very much Ms. Sana, my heart goes out to all of those who have lost dear ones this past week and will continue to pray for the future of our people.
R S JOHAR Jun 01, 2010 05:52pm
An excellent and thought provoking article by Sana. The writer has not minced any words but forthright in her comments. The situation in Pakistan is extremely complex but not out of control as yet. Complex situations require extra-ordinary measures which according to my analysis are as follows:- 1. Convert all medrasssas into normal govt run schools. Preaching of jihad and hatred should be prohibited. 2.All school syllabus should be cleansed of any material that inculcates hatred against any religion or sect. Distorted history should be re- written. 3. No political or religious party should be allowed to spread hatred through media or mosques. 4. Pakistan should be declared as a secular state with immediate effect. 5. All sectarian amendments inserted by Late Bhutto and Ziaul Haq which are discriminatory should be scrapped through 19th amendment. 6. Operations against militant organisations indulging in violence be initiated without further loss of time.
Madiha A Jun 01, 2010 05:59pm
Latif, You may not see how Allah helps them in this life, but in the next life those who are steadfast to their beliefs and their faith in Allah are those that will prosper. Ahmadi's practice that which is taught in the Quran and live their lives by the example of Prophet Muhmmad (pbuh). Being patient and steadfast is a blessing given by Allah otherwise a human would not be able to tolerate the emotional pain of losing a loved one or being prosecuted in ones own country. This is not guess, but is an answer to your comment. I hope it will help you.
ahmed mustafa Jun 01, 2010 06:00pm
Ahmadis may not be islamic or muslim as defined by regular Islamic/Muslim people because of their belief etc. so be it. but it is not permitted in my ISLAM (and hopefully your/all ISLAM) to kill or even taunt any other person because of their belief/style,etc. ALL Pakistanis must be vigilant and do utmost to protect each and every Pakistani. Pakistan is for Pakistanis where Islam is fundamental to its existence, yes indeed. yet minorities of all shades and spectrum MUST be RESPECTED AND PROTECTED. no if and but. Ahmed Mustafa
MA Jun 01, 2010 06:01pm
Very well written Sana ji. Though it still remains to been seen if the higher chain of command of our once beloved Islamic Republic will react with what attitude.
Laeeq Jun 01, 2010 06:02pm
Congratulation for the well written article.
Qaisar Jun 01, 2010 06:12pm
Very good article, happy to see that she has courage to say what she feels.
Analyst Jun 01, 2010 06:23pm
Deplorable and condemnable as the attack is, there is no need to feel ashamed that you are a Pakistani. Much more ghastly things happen in other countries, but their citizens do not give up on their nationality. Get out of your Desi complex, my Canadian friend.
Rational Jun 01, 2010 06:24pm
And if we are confident of our beliefs as Muslims, we should not have any worries. This is no way that if you can't run fast in the race then you should entangle the others in an attempt to win the race. Compete and win, my brother, is what passion is all about.
saqib from dubai Jun 01, 2010 06:26pm
Sana, thats brilliant piece of work i hope all Pakistani start thinking like this and come out from isolation i am saddened by the incident same as i was sad when they attacked mosque , church may God give us courage to speak out for humanity beyond religion .. as I know humanity come first than any other thing.
Usman Chaudhry Jun 01, 2010 06:30pm
Lovely piece Sana. Shame on us! nothing more.
Johnny Jun 01, 2010 06:39pm
I have not heard any words of condemnation from any religious parties. Actually they are all busy in protesting against facebook and now Israel.
Kashif Jun 01, 2010 06:40pm
Great article Sana! May Allah bless you for standing up for the rights of the innocent and oppressed.
Madhu Jun 01, 2010 06:44pm
Thank God, Conscience in Pakistan is alive in the form of Ms Sana. Great stuff, may God bless you!
saima mumtaz Jun 01, 2010 06:46pm
Thank you Sana for writing this thought provoking article. Many above have stated that this attack on the Ahamdi worship places is like any other terrorist attack happening in Pakistan. But they are missing the most crucial factor underlying the Ahmadis in Pakistan. Ahmadis are the only minority that by law are declared non-muslims. An American writer by the name of William Yeats said "once you attempt legislation upon religious grounds, you open up the way for every kind of intolerance and religious persecution". So called Mullahs in Pakistan are openly and blatantly telling citizens it is their religious duty to kill the the 'Kafirs". On what basis are these blood thirsty individuals finding the courage to commit such savagery? On the blasphemy law against Ahmadis. When a society as a whole condemns a certain group of individuals how do you expect the those individuals to protect themselves? Pakistani government themselves have armed their own citizens with hatred and intolerance and then they are shocked that are killings? Revoke the blasphemy law. As an Pakistani-American and an Ahmadi my heart weeps for the country of my birth.
Johnny Jun 01, 2010 06:51pm
very true Dr. Shirish
Ali Ahmad Durrani Jun 01, 2010 06:54pm
One wrong does not make a right, but please tell me when was the last time the Ahmadi community took out protests and marches to decry brutality against Muslims in Palestine or Iraq? The Ahmadi community remains muted to non-Ahmadi suffering. The Ahmadi leadership justifies this as eliminating fundamentalist Islamic movements in Pakistan, who oppose the Ahmadi doctrine. A human being dying under any circumstance is horrible, but this dastardly act of bloody vengeance should come as no surprise.
Irfan Hussain Jun 01, 2010 07:03pm
Ahsan, It's not the duty of state to control the religious belongings of any particular community. Someone can consider Ahmedis non-believer; however they consider them true muslims and the law has not yet decided which is correct opinion between these two. I should not recall that Pakistan doesn
Rai Azlan Jun 01, 2010 07:04pm
I was in Karachi when this incident took place and I was horrified because Garhi Shahu is quite near my house, well I never knew that building actually belong to Ahmadis. At times I am confused on how to react and may be its fact that in the quest to be poise I have stopped to be human. I accept that Ahmadis are minorities and may be they are wrong because of their religious beliefs but they are human and they got right to live.
Asad Jun 01, 2010 07:09pm
Hello..... You are so ignorant Sabir sahib, this is one of the problem with almost every of us. AG
Mirza Mohsan Baig Jun 01, 2010 07:10pm
Sana, Thank you very much for your article. I am an Ahmadi Muslim and can not express the heart felt cry everyone especially Ahmadies felt on Friday. Ahmadi Muslims have been persecuted for many decades and have always shown patience and intolerance by simply bowing to the Almighty begging for help. Afterall we ALL are muslims and our principle is to ask Allah the Almighty in scenarios of sorrows, happiness and injustice. You mentioned about the two girls who were not allowed to learn Quran and this is what I would like to simply highlight. Majority of Ullemas in Pakistan have made this major mistake in spreading hatred against the minorities without even researching about the teahings of each and every minority sect that exists in Pakistan. Spreading hatred, Putting out Fatwe and simply declaring this minority is not a muslim minority and are liable to be Wajib ul Qatil. This is not the basics of the teachings of Islam and our beloved Prophet Hadhrat Mohammad SAW. Nobody has the right to either declare someone Kafir who claims to be a muslim and neither is anyone allowed to incite hatred against others and most of all take someones life. I would like to Thank you for sharing this well inspired and neutral thought of yours. Lastly I would just like to mention - Many of our fellow Muslim borthers and sisters have a misunderstanding of the teachings of Ahmadiyyat which is also a reason for the hatred spreading accross our Nation - our fundamental motto is: Love For All Hatred For None. Thank you Mohsan
Affan Ghalzai Jun 01, 2010 07:22pm
Sana Thanks for educating the pakistanis. "Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Mankind must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation... of such a method is love." Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968), December 11, 1964
80's Child Jun 01, 2010 07:22pm
Jamaat Islami held a protest rally for 10 people killed on the flotilla raid near gaza while it never staged anything for 90 people killed in Lahore. Ironic!
Danish Jun 01, 2010 07:23pm
Sana, may Allah shower you with His choicest blessings. For those who exceed the limits, Allah has created a painful punishment, and noone can save them from that.
Mansoor Khalid Jun 01, 2010 07:37pm
The attack on a specific religious sect was sad and now it
pankaj patel Jun 01, 2010 07:39pm
Excellent analysis Sana. Pankaj Patel
Asim Khan, USA Jun 01, 2010 07:50pm
All Pakistanis have the right to live in peace and dignity regardless of how they pray or to whom they pray to. I am sick and tired of watching this sorry episode repeat again and again. There have been countless attacks against all minorities in the past and there will be many more in the future. These atrocities will not end until not only those who commit and carry out these murders, but also those who plan, instigate or promote this are caught and punished severely. Shame on all of you responsible for this due to negligence and indifferent attitude in Punjab and federal governments. I feel sorry for all Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmadis
Yousuf Jun 01, 2010 07:54pm
Ahmedis mind their own business. I condemn killings at all cost. There is no excuse of it. The people behind these killings are the ones who are ignorant or have been paid to do so. More worrisome is the fact that we people havnt condemn the act powerfully as it deserves. May God rest their killled souls peacfully. Ameen.
maham khan Jun 01, 2010 08:06pm
I am surprised that people have actually noticed how the media as well as the politicians are choking on their choice of words. This is proof that all hope is not lost for Pakistan and that people are looking beyond prejudices. Thank you Ms Saleem for your articulate thoughts.
Ghuman Jun 01, 2010 08:09pm
ahsan, It is highly unfortunate that a seemingly educated person like you could write this. To me this highlights the tragic stage of our nation where mass propaganda could lump together educated and uneducated people and cause deviance from the basic tenants of Islam. No one in the world can judge if I (being an Ahmadi) am a Muslim or Not. Your comment only make me think of your weak faith and belief in Islam. I donot even consider myself a very religious person but not even once have I ever had any second thoughts about my beliefs despite being persecuted since my birth. My suggestion to you is to focus on building your belief and once your belief in Islam and Allah is strong, then your any other person will not worry about following any Ahmadi.
Muhammad Nadeem Jun 01, 2010 08:21pm
Thank you Sana You have expressed feelings of the majoirity of the Pakistani population. It is indeed incomprehensible
Nzaar Ihsan Jun 01, 2010 08:33pm
I won't duplicate effort on praising the article, let me cut to the chase; I'm going to practice some tough love here because I honestly feel it's needed in this case: I'm not Ahmedi but for Ahmedis' sake - please stop waiting for the protests to come - they won't. The establishment has taken a view on Ahmedi's decades ago so please stop thinking that the view will change overnight. The lack of protests, in my opinion, is a failure on behalf the Ahmedi community - a failure of PR, a failure of communication, and a failure of organization. You guys need to become more visible. You need to fund journalists to lobby for your cause. You need to lobby TV channels with an agenda. You need to organize visible protest rallies. You think rallies create themselves? And front page news on newspapers out of thin air? That everyday people (who have studies, jobs, families, responsibilities, etc) simply decide one fine morning to collect at a single place to protest? No. Rallies are organized. Transportation is funded. People are collected. Money is spent on location, equipment, lighting, communications, etc. Even more money is spend on media coverage. A protest rally is organized and executed - it doesn't just happen spontaneously. Sunnis do it. Shias do it. Christians do it. MQM does it. JI does it. Heck, even Tehreek e Insaaf does it... why can't you? Like I said before, please stop waiting for Sunnis or Shias or Christians to protest for you. If you didn't like what happened, and nobody did, then please go ahead and do something about it. Organize. Collect. Protest. Please don't complain that nobody else is doing it for you... they won't.
Maria Jun 01, 2010 08:37pm
Sabir, you are missing the point. when the mosques in Rawalpindi are attacked, they are labelled mosques not "worship places". When ordinary Muslims are killed by terrorists, the entire society joins hands to condemn them. After these horrific attacks, I have seen multiple educated Pakistanis saying "Terrorism is deplorable but Ahmadis deserved it". She is pointing out the deeply embedded, pointless religious bigotry and hatred that we have allowed to take root. Why just wail about TTP and others, when we have let the mullahs and our so called hate-spreading 'scholars' take hold of our souls as well. Furthermore, this was the WORST attack after the volleyball game in Bannu in this country's history. Please dont try to make it sound like it was like any other attack happening every other day. Plus, the target was a community ttp and terrorists have issued open threats against. Heck even on the streets of Lahore, you can see banners inciting hatred towards them. What is ur response to this ? I am afraid that if we do not mend our ways and weed out hatred and this religious discrimination as well as this 'holier than thou' attitude which seems to have seeped into the very roots of our society, we wouldn't be left anywhere! We will and are turning into a self destructing machine. Israel attacks a flotilla and we have these religious activists out on the streets protesting. Terrorists kill NINETY during Friday prayers, and not a WORD? HOw on earth is this NOT a minority issue! Where are all these so-called protectors of Islam now?
Ali Jun 01, 2010 08:39pm
Good writing skills! Human tragedy! (no doubt) Sana - You clearly suggest that for ALL those other attacks over the past two years got a (near perfect) response from the Pakistani police. ALL other places of worship that were attacked were so boldly protected. You do this by NOT stating that the police force is impotent at best these days due to the constant killings and a weak political government. While the discrimination is inexcusable, please discuss the picture holistically. Not covering the overall situation of Pakistan being in a state of war, is almost irresponsible on your part - Especially because you have the gift of writing so well.
Maria Jun 01, 2010 08:41pm
agreed. The Punjab govt seems to have sided with them.
Salma Ahmad Jun 01, 2010 08:45pm
To Sabir Ayub Rabbani Thank you for at least appreciating Sana Saleem's excellent effort in changing the mind sets of people like you. For your information, this is not the first time that Ahmadis have been martyred (your hypocrisy reflects in the words you use, no matter what you believe about Ahmadis they were gathered in a worship place to offer Juma Prayers and were attacked in that state, so they are to be called rightly as 'martyrs'), they have been facing persecution in various forms since 1974 to date. I agree that an attack of this magnitude in which hundreds of Ahmadis were martyred and several injured has never occurred before but incidents have taken place in which Ahmadis were martyred individually from time to time. In fact, one Ahmadi was just martyred yesterday in Narowal. It is sad that so many people have lost their lives because of terrorism related incidents and sectarian violence and their deaths are condemnable but this doesn't mean that just because this is happening to everyone in Pakistan; it gives us all the more reason to stay muted. Bravo! This particular mind set needs to be changed and that's exactly what Sana was trying to do. Another thing I want to clarify is that this incident would not have occurred if some sections like the religious parties had not circulated hate literature against Ahmadis and incited hate among people for them. This incident is also more sensitive because it is state-sanctioned. These religious parties and other anti-Ahmadi people know that there exists a law in the country that allows them to persecute Ahmadis and Ahmadis cannot do anything about it in their defense. So my friend, this is a big deal! And we should urge the governemnt to repeal the anti-Ahmadi laws... Salma USA
Maria Jun 01, 2010 08:48pm
Ahsan, may I ask one question. Who gives the Sunnis and Shias and Pakistan NAtional Assembly the right to decide who is Muslim and who is not? Why, pray tell, is Pakistan the ONLY Muslim country to have labelled Ahmadis Non Muslims? Or is it that our brand of Islam is the strongest? The best? And only we know whom to include in it and whom not to? so we go around passing decrees? If a human being's "label" was enough to make people Muslim, right about now, not a single Muslim sect remains Muslim because every single Mullah in Pakistan thinks the other one is 'Kafir' and 'strayed from the right path". Religion is no one's "property". When you take that right in your own hand, you act as if you are God. Where has that pride and 'takabbur' led us? If as parents, your Islam is so weak that your children cannot withstand meeting anyone else and will just start following them, then maybe you should go live in a cage since in normal world, your children are bound to mingle with countless minorities, Muslim sects and what not. Writing this, I am also 100% sure you have never seen Ahmadis practice their faith, your knowledge of them also stems from what Mullahs have told you and so on.
Maria Jun 01, 2010 08:51pm
And might I add, that the same attitude that you are displaying is the cause of all this hatred. Using exactly the same sentiments, the religious leaders go around giving fatwas of 'murdering' Ahmedis even on TV because they are 'Munafiq'. Using exactly this logic, mullahs are painting banners and posting adverts openly expressing hatred of Ahmadis. So when ordinary men develop hatred of a community (baseless useless hatred), people like YOU who assert these beliefs of segregation, are equally responsible in the murders of innocent lives!
Ali Jun 01, 2010 08:52pm
Solution oriented! Throwing extra armed bodies isnt the answer, going after the source is. I couldn't agree more - very well put!
Ali Jun 01, 2010 08:55pm
Slight disagreement - All of us don't owe an apology, I certainly am not the one who supported this hate crime. Supporters of this event owe an apology. I make this distinction because, we should NEVER lump the peace loving non-Ahmadis with the ones that did this.
Ali Jun 01, 2010 09:07pm
who gave the right to these people to decide who is kafir and who is not. We are all in a minority, in the heard of insane people we are the educated ones. Point one finger to someone,three will point back at you... Come on people, please stop this killing, and stop blaming the west. No one is making you do it, you are doing it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!! Its a great article , and I hope people will stand up against these killers...
Noor Jun 01, 2010 09:10pm
Dear Mr Sultan, You are right in what you say .However the woman's reaction is understandable, if you were ever unlucky to be in our shoes, and therefore see from our vantage point.The analogy is similar to racist crimes in the UK, where i live ,and the colored community,from which the victim hails from, is often accused of an overreaction in terms of their expressive sentiments! Lastly, you are totally right, defensive policies are not all the answer, there has to be systems setup also to proactively go for these terrorists. It starts with you and me condemning them, it calls for the government condemning them, it calls for a change in the law, it calls for an immediate cessation of open hate speeches, conferences etc.It starts with the "silent majority" speaking up before they become the "irrelevant silent majority". Of course this "soft power" should be hand in hand with appropriate "hard power". We have "placed focus" on the appropriate authorities in Pakistan, but will they listen,not i am afraid! 20 years ago , when i was 18 years of age, a Muslim friend was walking down a stair case with when he said, out of the blue, that his Mullah told him "its good to kill Ahmadis". Go figure. Best wishes, Noor Ahmad
Abbas Khan Jun 01, 2010 09:10pm
Its heartening to see that few have courage to raise their voices, Sana, you are one of those brave ones. In my view, problem lies in our basic structure. Here is one example. In our schools, we read the speeches and statements of Q.A. M. A. Jinnah, the creator of Pakistan that Pakistan will not be a religious theocracy, and all citizens of Pakistan will have equal rights and status, but when time came to enact new constitution, both democratically elected leaders and dictators did not follow the basic principal of modern state, i.e. the structure of citizenship of the state. I haven't seen any leader or scholar, who ever stood up and challenged that basic flaw of the society. When discrimination is allowed under the umbrella of constitution, then there could be no end to it. Whats happening now is just the beginning. The first wrong step was taken when State was delegated power to decide faith and discriminate in citizenship. When such crack was created in society by State herself, then no barrier is strong enough for ruthless people to impose their own ideology.
Tania Khan Jun 01, 2010 09:16pm
Unfortunately, Pakistan has already become a country beyond redemption. All over the world we are held with nothing but contempt. Many of us abroad have started calling ourselves Indians to escape the odium.
sher khan Jun 01, 2010 09:19pm
We Pakistanis only protest if a muslim (maybe one or ten) is killed anywhere in the world by americans. if pakiatanis kill another 100 innocent pakistani(happens almost weekly in pak) or maybe a million, then thats ok.
Salma Ahmad Jun 01, 2010 09:21pm
Thank you Sana for writing such a brilliant article. Keep up the good work. I would appreciate it if you take up this issue and write frequently with regards to this issue and urge the government to repeal the anti-Ahmadi laws. Also I was surprised at electronic media's role in the coverage of the Friday attacks. At one instance they were condemning the attacks and at another they themselves were propagating the hate for Ahmadis by using different words to describe their mosques. It is hypocrisy! All Ahmadis were gathered at a Mosque to offer Juma Prayers but some TV channels and newspapers kept on saying 'worship places' and using the word 'halakat' for people killed instead of martyrs (shaheed), after all no matter what the differences, Ahmadis were gathered to offer Prayers. Ironically, a channel condemning the attacks was the same channel that had aired a program of an ulema declaring Ahmadis to be 'wajib ul qatal' back in 2008! Salma Ahmad USA
fas Jun 01, 2010 09:36pm
You should be shameful of what you are saying. You think your mom will ever decieve you. I am canadian too and i always tell every one that pakistan is the best country.. Eff U!
L Ahmad Jun 01, 2010 09:48pm
Where are all the bleeding hearts in Pakistan who would have called for a general strike, shutting down businesses and paralyzing life if those killed were not Ahmadis. Why don't you take to the streets now to denounce this barbaric act ?
Nasser Ali Khan Jun 01, 2010 09:51pm
Pakistan has turned into a very nasty society, indeed. No not so much for the killing of innocent people, but because the majority do not take any concrete steps in trying to stop these attrocities. Condemnations aren't enough. The public must hold major demos throughout the country which need to continue until the unislamic laws which allow people to be victimised for reasons of their beliefs. The government should be forced to hold a referendum where the majority will decide (as I am sure they will) about such laws. I have always found it abhorent that our constitution requires the leader of the nation to be a Muslim? Why? Anybody who thinks so has the right to such opinion? In my view, it does not stand to reason nor does it stand to the true beliefs of Islam. All our leaders have so far been Muslims. With the exception the odd one or 2, they have turned out to be ghaddars (forget about merit and due process and due accountability). My definition of ghaddar is a person who pursues his own goals at the expense of the nation, simple! A very unhappy and frustrated Pakistani
Jimmy Parker Jun 01, 2010 09:51pm
Great article! I think what people have forgotten is that the color white in our Flag represents the non-Muslim Minorities living in Pakistan. This right was given to Minorities by the Father of the Nation and the many people who sacrificed there lives to make Pakistan the dream possible for us all. But sadly no offense to anyone, Pakistan has become less of a Country and more of a Religion to some. Dr Abdus Salam the only Pakistani to win a Nobel Award in Physics, to bring honor to our country was a Ahmadi. If you look at the written law, it is not in any favor of the Minorities. A Minority can never become a president of the country. I hate to state the obvious but India being a Hindu country had a Muslim President not too long ago. The blasphemy law, which openly promotes discrimination between the Muslims and non-Muslims in Pakistan. Need I say more... So unless the Laws of Pakistan are changed to protect the non-Muslim Minorities, their is not much hope of their survival. No offense to anyone again, but we have learn to be humans first, Pakistanis second and Muslims third. God bless!
amzadmia Jun 01, 2010 10:01pm
Even NFP does not use the word 'mosques' and refer to them as 'worship places'. You are my hero sister.
Anjum Iqbal Jun 01, 2010 10:16pm
Thank you for this bold work May God be with you!
Karamat ali Jun 01, 2010 10:20pm
I think the outburst of the lady was well justified. Out of a total of around 24,000 police personnel in Lahore, 7000 are deployed to protect VVIPs, roughly 8000 are involved in investigation matters while the rest are entrusted to protect the ordinary folk of Lahore. I ask you, is it adequate that only 30% of the force serve a popoulation of 6 million while the same amount of police force is assigned for only a handful of VVIPs? The Ahmadiyya community, as we all now and we have all seen, has been the target of such sectarian hate-crimes for the last 50 odd years. HRCP had also informed the government of possible threats to this community, yet there has been no protection from the state of ANY kind for the last 50 years! Its hardly fair to blame the government for mad men blowing up in streets, but the situation of our police force is evident in the fact that 3 days later, the same group of terrorists attacked one of the hospitals that was treating the terrorist, and 12 innocent people lost their lives. If these two incidents can't properly potray the negligence on part of the authorities, i dont know what will.
Karamat ali Jun 01, 2010 10:40pm
Why havent any of the religious/conservative or even mainstream central parties demonstrated against such actions of inhumanity where around a 100 innocent civilians lost their lives? Please tell me which episode has affected our country more, the stopping of aid from reaching Palestine or 3 terrorist attacks in the space of 3 days in Lahore? I am in no way undermining the plight of the poor Palestinian people who suffer from grave injustices, but i fail to understand why such hideous acts of terror in our own backyard fail to evoke any action on part of the masses. While religious/conservative parties continue to prove how isolated they are from the HARSH realities that this country is facing, one does expect some sort of action on part of the civil society when a hundred innocent people are slaughtered like sheep. Yet, we saw none. Where are the religious parties who so FERVENTLY took to the streets and demonstrated against a rather trivial matter ala the Facebook saga a fortnight ago? I fail to understand how something posted on the internet can evoke action from the LHC, yet they fail to notice how inherently discriminatory our constitution is, especially when it comes to minorities and the regular unchecked misuse of the Blasphemy laws. Our founding fathers never wanted a theocratic state, far from it, infact the reason we wanted a new country was because of the discrimination the Muslim community was facing at the hands of the majority Hindus. We created Pakistan because we feared a theocratic Indian state would over run the Muslim community. And 60 odd years on, we see how we have done exactly the same to our minorities. We have created a conservative Islamic state, where clerics freely promote violence against minorities by calling them "wajib-ul-qatl" on loudspeakers, where madressahs have more arms and ammunition than a Russian gun runner. God Save Pakistan.
Zulfiqar Jun 01, 2010 10:44pm
Pakistan doesnot belong to Muslims only. Pakistan belongs to people of pakistan. That includes ALL. Not only proud muslims... Name "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" is wrong. It should be Pakistan only.
Abdul Rahman Jun 01, 2010 10:45pm
There is just known information in this article but no solution. There cannot and will not be peaceful co-existence with minorities if there is state and religious sanction of violence against minorities. The constitution was amended in 1973 to declare Ahmadis non-muslims. And since 1984 they cannot be in a mosque. If there are are such totally biased and insane rules then it is easy to see why such massacres happen. Killing non-muslims seems to be a fundamental right of every muslim. Thats what has been expressed on Friday. The constitution should be amended again. Declare Ahmadis as muslims. Let them pray in mosques. Give them equal rights under the constitution. Can this be done ? I sincerely doubt given the present state of mind of the majority in Pakistan.
conflicted Jun 01, 2010 10:49pm
Great article! I have known a few Ahmadis and their simple goodness was palpable. Thank you for showing me the way.
Farhat Jun 01, 2010 11:08pm
I applaud Sana for speaking out at this injustice when some media and politicians have merely offered lip service.
A.Bajwa Jun 01, 2010 11:16pm
Ahmedi is just like being a Palestinian on the Gaza strip. Treating minorities like that is a national attitude that comes from being paranoiac. Like Germans living under Hitler.It is not a good state of mind. I often shudder to think of that.
Raju kurien Jun 02, 2010 01:14am
@ahsan You should be ashamed. What is religion if it cannot accept other human beings. Were Ahmadis killing or raping or cheating? Theyw ere praying, when these so called "good Muslims" slit their throats.. Do you need an Islam like this? At the end of the day, wont we all be better off by loving, whatever religion or creed somebody else may be, than hating and killing? What good is a religion if it does not teach compassion and acceptance... The majority of Pakistan is to be blamed for this massacre. They have let it happen. It is really sad.
A Pakistani Jun 02, 2010 01:24am
Dear Ahsun, Christians say they're the chosen ones, Jews say the same about themselves, most Muslims believe that only they will enter Paradise and the rest will burn in eternal hell...don't you feel there's something wrong here? With all these groups having such high opinions of their religious supremacy there's bound to be conflict. Because we like to believe we are special, we belong to a special group who will be God's favorites, well I have news for one's special and we all are and will be judged by our deeds.
Shah Jun 02, 2010 08:37am
I agree with your statement of "don't create disharmony and restlessness" best way to do that will be to take a look around Lahore where the banners stating Ahmaid's are "wajibul Katar" are causing blood shed and perhaps revisit the constitution of Pakistan. Maybe it is time that the government does something about it and please do not say that these people are practicing their freedom of speech by putting up those banners of hatred because it will make us no different from the Danish and others Europeans who have torn the heats of Muslims by disrespecting our Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all in the name of "freedom of speech"
A Pakistani Jun 02, 2010 01:27am
I agree with you..what do you think can be done to improve the situation?
Naser Jun 02, 2010 01:34am
And the world is seeing what they are doing.
hina Jun 02, 2010 02:03am
May be it would be an excellent job for my friends who have registered their worthy applause in this page but i have a different perception why the writer took this incident in the context of attack on minority didn't she witness countless attacks on the people regardless which walk of life they belonged, ten of thousands of people were assaulted without discrimination their color ,clad,clan and beliefs. Dear writer we are under attack in the state of war living in uncertainty not sure whether our kids have future or plz come out of this self pity that is is an attack on minority it is not that sort situation terrorists want to gather worldwide attention and these attacks fulfill their notorious motives.
Abu Yaser Jun 02, 2010 02:04am
Sana Saleem You have made many open minded look down with shame, so we have to wait and see if this act was against the will of Allah and the teachings of the Holy Prophet(saw) then Allah will react and deal with those people who did it in particular. May God bless you for your courage and protect you. Ameen
umerkotee Jun 02, 2010 02:10am
I fully agree with you and courageous Sana that they (Ahmedies) are generally well behaved and loyal to country.
Abu Sajid Jun 02, 2010 08:30am
Sana, thanks for the article. It is necessary to call a bad thing a bad thing. First of all every Muslim should get up to stop such violence with all available force. If that cannot be done then it should be condemned in words. If that cannot be done (due to weakness or fear of the terrorists) then every One knowing the tragedy (massacre) should consider it as very bad deed in his/her own mind. That is the teaching of the Holy prophet (s.a.w.s.). but that last attitude will be the weakest level of faith (Eimaan). So, Sana has taken the step (the second choice). That is the best she could do, to condemn the incident openly, vocally. May Allah reward her for initiating the effort against murder. The incident that took place in Lahore on 28 May is quite illegal. Islam cannot allow such things. Such deeds are totally unjustified. It is our duty to condemn such bad deeds. if we will not do that then we will all be partners in the crime. There was a time when the Ahmadi places of worship were being desecrated (pulled down). It was painful and it was told to the maulvis that it was bad deed. Muslims were required to protect all places of worship, i.e. mosques and temples and cathedrals and synagogues. It was the duty of every muslim to protect all the places of worship of all faiths. But the Mullas did not agree to that Islamic teaching. They ignored it all. That was before 1996 A.D. Nobody but the Ahmadis complained. The other public did not support the Ahmadis. It is therefore necessary that bad deeds should be denounced, openly. It may be against any community. It is our duty. If we will all do that then we will have done our duty and i feel that Sana has done her duty. May Allah bless her with good rewards. Amen.
Manshad Jun 02, 2010 02:15am
Thanks SANA for such a thought provoking article. I feel ashamed to be a Pakistani outside the country.
Hamid Jun 02, 2010 02:30am
Courageous and full of wisdom, If we all start raising our individual voices, one day we can turn our Pakistan into "Janat Nazeer" Pakistan, which was the hope of all those who sacrificed for creation and defense of our beloved country.
shy Jun 02, 2010 02:38am
Thank you Sana.
M - K Jun 02, 2010 02:50am
Amazing piece, inspiring because its so painfully true and basic. I hope your words are taken in by people.
saima ahmad Jun 02, 2010 03:02am
This incident has shown the true faces of many of our non-ahmedi friends and relatives. Some are condemning it but many are calling it just another terrorist attack.I ask such people if it was a terrorist act against the state then why target two mosques of the same faith simultaneously. There has been a long going hate campaign against us , be it in form of posters, banners , sermons,newspaper adds, conferences, 3 day training course on how to deal with 'qadiani fitna' and list goes on. I am wondering what will happen to this nation.
ashok kaul,bhu Jun 02, 2010 03:07am
It has been men
Abdullah S. Jafari Jun 02, 2010 03:15am
At the outset I unequivocally condemn how innocent Ahmadi worshipers were killed in cold blood in Lahore. Unfortunately more people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else if we look at the recorded history. People of Pakistan, wake up. It will be you tomorrow. Here is a quote from Pastor Martin Niemolloer in 1945.
Hatam Ahmad Jun 02, 2010 03:15am
Sana....special thanks for a special effort. As we are unable to express our views on media...its nice to have you people speaking on our behalf on such acts..
ahmed Jun 02, 2010 03:26am
YES ! but it should be a liberal,tolerance-preaching,broadminded,live-and-let-live EDUCATION. Who will be the TEACHERS ? All this may take another 60 years,if we start TODAY. Till then. God help us !
Tariq Jun 02, 2010 03:43am
Articles like this shine a much needed light on a very unfortunate dark corner of Pakistani psyche.
Babar Jun 02, 2010 04:07am
Interesting observation Suresh. Pakistanis never talk of all the contributions of minorities in the creation and development of this country.
A.P Jun 02, 2010 07:33am
Totally agree with you Saeed
HSA Jun 02, 2010 04:37am
Well...i dont agree with the main theme of this article..i.e. MINORITY killings. what about incident in Jinnah Hospital lately? Such bomb blast and terrorist incidents are so frequent now that peole have become immune and hardly respond to these. Thats what happened with the Ahmedi incident. Please act responsible. Don't create disharmony and restlessness for no reason.
Nasir Jun 02, 2010 07:37am
Excellent work Sana! Nice to see our young raising their voice to injustice. All I say is "There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people".
Shri Do Tok Jun 02, 2010 04:43am
Any type of violence at religious places must always be condemned in very strong words, whether it is a Mosque or a Church or Temple or Synagogue. The question is this that this is not happening for the first time in Pakistan only that the minority community was made the target and then there was a hand of some disgruntled element in this incident, Pakistan Government or provincial Government was not involved in it but what about the incident when 2,000 minority Muslims were burnt alive in Gujrat by the order of Mr. Narenra Modi and thousands of houses, businesses and properties were destroyed why there was no hue and cry. Hundreds of Muslims are being killed and their houses and properties are destroyed every time in India in Hindu Muslim Communal riot after 1947, just last month Hindu Muslim riot took place in Hyderabad. Two three years before there was no such incident in Pakistan, we should go to find out the root cause of such type of violence and try to eradicate it.
B. Prasad Jun 02, 2010 04:48am
The founding fathers meant Pakistan to be the home for Muslims with tolerance for other faiths. Pakistani public, young and otherwise, have become very narrow minded to the point of not being able to accommodate even slightly divergent opinion. Bangladesh public which prides itself on being composed of intellectuals and poets could never have survived in current Pakistan. This is the sad summary. Bangladesh has as many Muslims as Pakistan. India has more Muslims than Pakistan. Both India and Bangladesh, in spite of their faults, are tolerant democracies.
Kashan Jun 02, 2010 07:48am
excellent work!!! Love for all, hatred for none.
sabqat Jun 02, 2010 04:57am
I second Sabir's views above. Let there be no doubt; its certainly *extremely* unfortunate/inhuman/criminal what happened, like its also extremely unfortunate what's happening everywhere nowadays. First, these terrorists have attacked the GHQ, mosques and markets left right and center. How can the latest in this series be twisted into an attack on a certain minority? Is the GHQ a minority too? Or R.A. Bazar? Or Parade Lane? If in the same coin, I turn around and ask the author whether her heart bled when the Buddhist minority (Sri Lankan cricket team) was attacked (the point being that all of these attacks are evil, and yet none warrant being clubbed and twisted into serving any other agenda). The author is being extremely naive and rushed. Although there is little doubt we are an intolerant nation in general. For the author, and all her readers who in their comments are feeling 'no pride in being Pakistani' anymore, I'd like to point that in a country like ours, the fact that these (and other) minority places of worship (as in this case) are often at prime/posh localities worth crores of rupees. Does this give them some hope about our treatment of our minority communities? Perhaps a comparison with the history of Communist suppression of religion would enlighten us about what persecution really looks like. I pray that the families left behind (in Lahore on Friday, and everywhere else in our beloved homeland too) are able to somehow find the strength to live on.
SQ Khan Jun 02, 2010 04:58am
I heard Pakistan is calling for an emergency UN meeting to protest the Israel raid on the flotilla, where as It cannot protect its own minorities from the Islamic fanaticism. As you rightly said our Our sympathies have become political, and our humanity has been compromised, I have not seen any Muslim body ever protested when non Muslims have been killed by the Islamic terrorists
Hamza Baloch Jun 02, 2010 05:25am
Hmm, i was expecting such kind of more and more articles in our media epically on print media. and this is because of the assumption that "in Pakistan minority epically ahmadis are victims of local Pakistani hatred"
Sikandar Khattak Jun 02, 2010 05:27am
Beautiful article Sana..... It sure is disgusting seeing the general apathy shown by the masses to our brethren.... so what if they are different from us .... the deep institutionalized hatred against these people MUST be is brave people like you who speak up about such issues and I salute you for it ....Keep up the good work but the silent majority including people like myself must also speak up now.
Imran Mahmood Jun 02, 2010 05:29am
Great Work Sana, you are a star ! doing honest work of saying truth. Believe me my heart is bleeding with tears, can
Sanam Jun 02, 2010 05:45am
Great article which should have been the voice of all Pakistanis...unfortunately it is not. It is such a shame that we are a nation up in arms against Israeli aggression but have been silent on the massacre of innocent Ahmadis...this is the fruit of blindly following the bigoted mullahs for all these years..God have mercy on us, physically and ideologically too.
100 Jun 02, 2010 05:56am
Religious minorities are not safe in Pakistan, but the current problem should be taken as a human rights issues. These Taliban have killed people from all religions living in Pakistan. I think the greatest causalities have been suffered by the Sunnies who are in majority by default. Religious intolerance is a menace that we need to tackle, but right now we need to be unified as a nation and stand against a common enemy.
100 Jun 02, 2010 05:58am
Very aptly put, agreed.
SNS Jun 02, 2010 06:02am
First of all, I would like to commend the way this article has been written and I agree that this act can never be justified - whether it be considered an "Act of Terrorism" or "Minority Killing". Having said that, Irfan - you need to realize that many a Mosques and Imam Bargah's have also been attacked over the past few years. There was a time when every Friday there would be news of a bombing of at a Mosque, martyring several and leaving dozens wounded. And these were not the places of worship for the "minorities" of Pakistan. Every sect has been terrified at one point or another to enter their respective Mosques/Barghas for Friday Prayers. I agree with Umair, that as WRONG and UNJUSTIFIED as this act is, adding fuel to the fire of discrimination will not help. And i applaud the Ahmadiyya Community for being so bereaved and still having shown so much patience. It is more than commendable and an act to follow for all sects of the community when they are wronged - for God is with you, and He shall provide the Ultimate Justice!
K. Khan Jun 02, 2010 06:02am
Thanx Sana for speaking up. For all those people who say that it was an act of terrorism and not a minority killing....I wholeheartedly agree. The only noble prize brought to this country was won by an ahmadi, does anyone even know that? Wake Up Pakistan! Wake up before its too late
Salim Shah Jun 02, 2010 06:05am
Your point about other killings, including children, in other mosques is very valid. BUT you missed the whole point of the article... the apathy of leaders, administrators and the public on such issues. It questions why are we like this and when will we learn and make sure it never happens again. We should do our share in making sure that the answer to her question is ZERO or No more. You totally lost me when you say that such articles make the situation worse. Don't you think all of need a wake up call. On the other hand if you mean that why limit it to just the atrocities committed against the Ahmadies, then I am with you. Salim
80's Child Jun 02, 2010 06:18am
Political parties made of same moral fabric have held protest movements against Israeli action which resulted in 10 people killed. While 100 people died in Lahore and they provided only lip service. So lives of 100 pakistani citizens are not important in the books of these politicians and I am sorry to say most of the people of this country. We need to change this attitude before we can move forward to stop this evil from invading our lives.
Ibn-e-Maryam Jun 02, 2010 06:25am
Wonderful article. Thanks so much. I frequented both these places during my visits to Lahore. I could have been a victim myself. I have lost very very dear friend, family members of very dear friends, and many people I now. In my view, this is an opportunity for all Pakistanis to choose, which side they are on. The choices are very clear: a tolerant and respectable society OR and abusive and terrorist society. There are no shades of gray anymore. Once again, I thank you Sana, and hope that majority of Pakistanis will choose your side.
Sabir Ayub Rabbani Jun 02, 2010 06:33am
You cant compare this to whats happening in Kashmir... these are isolated incidents but in Kashmir people are being killed on daily basis and have you forgotten what happened to Muslims in Gujrat. So please dont compare us to you.
Tariq Jun 02, 2010 06:35am
Only God knows who is a true believer, so it better be left to God to decide who is right or wrong.
Riaz Rehman Jun 02, 2010 07:43am
Sister Sana, I admire your courage to speak the truth in this article. Unfortunately Pakistan is on a path to complete destruction and will disintegrate just like Afghanistan. Crash and Burn...then from the ashes of that a New Pakistan will be born...the Pakistan of Mohammad Ali Jinnah!! All we could do is pray for the unfortunate people of this country who's silence and insensitivity has invited the great wrath of Allah. The decrees of Allah can not be frustrated, the hearts of all Ahmadis are grieved but their love for their Jamaat and their peace of mind is really unshakable.
HH Jun 02, 2010 07:50am
Dear Ms. Sana, Bravo! Its really great to see that you opted to be truthful and honest. What you have mentioned about your childhood memories about two of your friends, Maham and Rija, it reminds me of a similar experience of my childhood. So, if this is the situation of a society, where even kids were taught hatred, discrimination and inhumane attitude towards other sects and minorities instead of love, peace & harmony, how and why can we expect anything better than the "muted response". Pakistani society has invested decades to gain this "muted response attitude towards Ahmadis". A society, where people are less aware of the fundamentals and practices of their own believes and more aware about the (so called) believes of an Ahmadi and how an Ahmadi should be treated, can we still hope a more civilized and human response towards any other event like Lahore? In my view, there is nothing surprising. But this article has raised my hopes towards some better change in the society. May Allah bless you for your "honest" efforts! - (Ameen)
T Khan Jun 02, 2010 08:06am
Allah is very clear in Holy Quran 'Killing of one man is like killing of the whole mankind'. Rationality, or even simple decency asks for better judgment from us.
ahmed talha Jun 02, 2010 08:31am
Ahsan you are misguided your self by your Mullahs believing interacting with Ahmedi Muslims will astray you from Basic fundamental Principle, are your beliefs so weak!!!! The basic fundamental Principles of Islam are: Tauheed: Oneness of Allah. Kalima. in which an Ahmedi belives. Namaz: which an ahmedi performs during which they were killed on fridays attack. Roza. which an ahmedi keeps in the holy month of Ramadan, Zakat: 2.5 % on the saving which an ahmedi gives. Hajj: if alowed by pakistan they will perform that too, which the privilaged ahmedis abroad frequently perform.
Sumrin Mir Jun 02, 2010 08:32am
Incomprihensible indeed!!! Allah is all hearing, the best judge... Love for All, Hatred for None. Thank you Sana for boldly writing this article.
Abu Sajid Jun 02, 2010 08:34am
Excellent article, sana. May Allah reward you with His blessings forever. Amen.
Aeysha Nusrat Jahan Jun 02, 2010 09:36am
Thank you Sana, very courageous of you... We Ahmadies are taught from a very early age to be patriotic to our land and country. For our innocent fathers, brothers and sons to be butchered in this way is barbaric and horrifying. It is time for the educated elite of Pakistan to wake up and take note of the insanely unfair laws in our constitution. Raise your voices and put pressure on the government to reconsider these laws. There are banners stating Ahmadies are "Wajib ul Qatal" all over Lahore, right under the authorities noses. My 41 yr old husband recalls at age 7 in Aitchison college, his mates would tell him : you are an Ahmadi, you are wajib ul qatal!!!Now these children did not come from "jahil" backward fanatical families...they came from the elite of Lahore. With Mullahs spreading hatred all over the place who knows how many more of these attacks we Ahmadies will have to endure. I'm sure no civilised Pakistani wants more killing not towards Ahmadies, not towards any other group. But this will only come with re educating ourselves and our youth and getting rid of the sanctions in our constitution against Ahmadies. Thank you again.
Reminder Jun 02, 2010 09:42am
While referring to minorities you "forgot" to mention the Hindus.
Sarah Jun 02, 2010 08:51pm
Thank you Sana for this article. May God reward you for your efforts. Love For All, Hatred For None.
Arshad Jun 02, 2010 08:52pm
First time I went through such a bold article in the paper. Congratulations to Sana and Dawn team of having Sana in their team. From Toronto
zeeshan mahmood Jun 02, 2010 09:06pm
Thanks Sana for writing such a good article.
Tahir Jun 02, 2010 10:50pm
I appreciate all the comments but my brothers and sisters nothing would change unless we repeal shameful laws passed against Ahmadies in 1974 and 1984. Ahmadi community is the only community in Pakistan who are protected under law to be persecuted. We need to speak about this at every level of the society. This is the real Jihad not the one being practice by extreme elements.
Naheed Jun 02, 2010 11:02pm
@Ayesha: Mr Hamza is just another example of one of those people whom the writer is referring to in her article. He is one of those people who have their eyes shut either because of hatred or just because they prefer to live in a state of denial
A world citizen Jun 02, 2010 11:05pm
Dear Sana, Kudos to you for writing on behalf of the people who seem to have no or little voice to fight for their rights themselves due to state sponsored systematic cleaning/discrimination in the country named as "Islamic Republic of Pakistan". What a double standards most of the pakistani have except few like you...When some muslim gets some rough treatment even in some far far place due to any reason, they come out on street screaming to their lungs out and when a minority gets killed next door they as a society approve it. I am using word "approve" since it shows that they are not concerned at all with the issue at hand. Pakistanis as a society need to get their act straiten out and sooner the better. Agree Every society has bad and good people BUT what matters most is who is controlling who. In pakistan the narrow minded muslims group (seems larger one) is controlling the other group (few who condemn these horrific acts). Country like US, EUROPE even India it is just reverse. Your neighbor India had or still has problems too BUT they as a society by large go after ones who creates problem for minorities and punish the culprits. India had many muslim presidents, highest authority in any govt. Ask any indian and they will tell u how much they respect Abdul Kalam even he being a person of different religion. Same in US most folks are very tolerant.. SO grow up Pakistanis. May you find your way out of the mess the narrow teachings has created for you.
OMAR SALEEM Jun 02, 2010 11:23pm
Dear Sana: Amongst other precious lives, my real uncle was delievering the khutba when he was martyred. What to expect of an "Islamic" country where not even a house of Allah is safe. I guess your sentence "Our sympathies have become political, and our humanity has been compromised" says it all. Oh leaders of today, "Allah ki lathi be-awaaz hai", just look at what happened to your predecessors. Good stuff Sana. Omar (Australia) - Love for all, hatred for none!
Muhammad Jun 02, 2010 11:37pm
I think we should think first in terms of Pakistan and Pakistani rather than, Sindhi Punjabi etc and Shia Sunni. This segregation has divided us. Do not forget then contribution of Qadyanis in our country and I believe they are still patriotic and peaceful people in our country. Did any of them burned cars or destroyed anything? I think its about time for us to keep aside this semitism, and work for the betterment of Pakistan. Every Pakistani should be precious for us. Learn something from other nations, you kill one of them and they will retaliate as if you have attacked their country. This should be the spirit of Pakistanis. Furthermore our religion condemns any attack on a human, irrespective of their belief and religion. I think right now, things are very tough for us, we should stand united, work for Pakistan and educate the people of Pakistan to develop a network of information among themselves that would assist the Police and Rangers to get hold of all those who are terrorizing Pakistan. I think that is the only solution to encounter terrorism, the police and rangers cannot handle too much. Our motto should be "Love for all, Hatred for None and Pakistan First"
saadia Jun 03, 2010 01:55pm
We Sunni Muslims greatly regret the incident that occurred on Friday and we are sorry with all the minorities that live in Pakistan. Can anyone suggest solution to all this terrorism as we are fed up with all this chaos in our country.
Sameen Jun 03, 2010 12:25am
Thank you, Sana. Your effort is truly appreciated.
Truth Jun 03, 2010 01:43am
Thanks for your brave and bold step.
Kk Jun 03, 2010 02:16am
I admire ZAB for his political acumen but I can't forgive him what he did to Ahmedis for political expediency. I still don't know what are the differences in believes between and Ahmedis and other muslims. As I understand Ahmedis also believe Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was last prophet but they also believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed or whoever is their spiritual leader was a re-birth of some prophet who came before Mohammad (pbuh) like rest of believes Jesus Christ will come again. Can anyone shed some light on differences in beliefs? If that's the only difference its absolute nonsense to kill so many people on these abstract ideas.
aLi Jun 03, 2010 02:34am
It is heartening to see that the writer is not proposing to stop praying because of the fear of these guys, as she did so in one of her previous article, way to go Sana.
Ataul Noor Jun 03, 2010 02:39am
Yes,Manshad you are right.I am a frequent treveller to gulf countries especially.Now they do more care of European and othere Nationals then us regardless we have a common religion.May God Helps us to understand the core values of ISLAM and This reflects in our behaviour to humanity,ameen.
Nadia Malik Jun 03, 2010 02:47am
An excellent article Sana! If all people had the same thinking and wisdom as you, Pakistan would be a much better place. Unfortunately that is not the case...and mullahs preaching hatred and intolerance. Only if people put humanity before everything else........such barbaric events would never occur.
Moksha Jun 03, 2010 04:12am
Its an old saying, If women rule the world there would be no wars Just a bunch of jealous countries not talking to each other.
AK Jun 03, 2010 04:20am
Sabir, parvin is a pakistani. how typical of you to blame outsiders and forget own wrong deeds
KKrishna Jun 03, 2010 04:31am
Excuses from Muslims - Islam is a religion of peace, No Muslim can do this, this is a Jewish conspiracy, Non-state actors are behind this etc.... and the butchering goes on and the state sponsored discriminatory policies continue, Hudood ordnance continue, Mullahs continue with their hate blabber as usual. Nothing changes.
shaukat Jun 03, 2010 04:46am
I agree it should not be Islamic Republic of Pakistan as Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be secular country. People have religion not countries.
Love for all Hatred for all Jun 03, 2010 05:23am
I am some what history student and I am proud to inform you that Prophet's Islam PBUH taught tolerance about other faiths. In his life time he protected Christians, Jews and other non-believers. This thing will die down in couple of weeks and we all will get on with our lives. I also like to inform you all that unless we go back to Qaid-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah Pakistan where he said" he likes to see secular Pakistan". Now what we have seen is state sponsored persecution other Ahmadies. Please talk about repelling 1974 and 1984 laws against Ahmadi otherwise they will keep getting persecute. Regards,
Sabir Ayub Rabbani Jun 03, 2010 05:29am
Everyone is missing the point here... i never said that it is good that ahmadis have been killed.. i never meant only point is that these things are happening to each and every Pakistani so why single out this event. And Mr. Taher I never wanted to say and never would say that i am happy that so many Pakistanis died.. but the point is that we are being killed every day so why single out this event. I am pretty sure you would not have reacted this way if a Sunni or Shia mosque had been attacked because it is happening almost everyday... but a attack on Ahmadi worship place is a one of incident.. so dont label me a Mulla or supporter of Taliban.
Kaleem Ahmed Jun 03, 2010 05:42am
May Allah bless you for showing the courage and honesty, which we are lacking in our nation.
zbk Jun 03, 2010 06:10am
Thank you Ms Saleem for having the courage to express your feelings and opinion about our community. It feels good to know that there are rational and kind hearted people like you living in Pakistan. In light of your article I request you to continue remembering us in your prayers as we are facing a very difficult time. May Allah bless your effort and may more people understand the true meaning of Islam, which is Peace. Ameen.
Ali Akhtar Jun 03, 2010 09:03am
Hi: Its indeed a sad incident without any rationale. But this is a terrorist act not a target killing of qadyanis. The terrorists took a soft target with high impact/vision. Not only to cause general anarchy but also to paint it in a secretarian way. I hope you will show same writing spirit next time sunni muslims get a blood bath either through suicidal attack in mosques or karachi's target killing or bomb blasts in the rest of Pakistan. Till next time ! -Akhtar
Tally Jun 03, 2010 06:25am
About Police and other Government departments, Only thing I can say is incompetence to the extreme. 1. Pakistan Police / Levi / Rangers personal with RPG what are they gonna achieve. blow the culprit and may be 5 other 2. No Snipers, guess what in any inteligent society no. 1 asset for taking out terrorists. 3. Pakistan Police knew that these terrorists were there killing people as all can hear shooting inside, any sane police officer would have ordered immediate and decisive action. 4. Anyways Ahmadis has left their revenge to Allah Who is the best avenger.
imran Jun 03, 2010 06:28am
thank you sana for a reality check*____! long live pakistan*
MONA Jun 03, 2010 06:33am
I totally agree.Founder of Pakistan QUAID E AZAM declared policy in his 11th September 1948 speech that Each of us has compelete right to obey his religion we should give this independence to all sects of Muslim,Hindu,Christian,Sikh and othere religions existing in Pakistan.QURAN clearly mention that non of you can get JANNAT by killing any human being.
Mubasshir Jun 03, 2010 06:35am
I find it so hard to imagine that a country founded by a "minority" community member (Jinnah was an Ismaili Muslim), currently presided by another member of a minority community (the Bhutto's are Shia Muslims as far as I'm aware), and one that has a whole part of its flag dedicated to the equal treatment of minorities (the white in our green/white flag), finds itself in the midst of growing hatred and intolerance towards minorities!!! I am a Muslim (Sunni if you must know), and as a Muslim, I see killings or threats of killing (the wajib-ul-qatl nonsense) innocent civilians, especially those from my own country, as despicable crimes that must be punished. We must unite and condemn terrorism in all its form. The killing of Ahmedis in Lahore was a terrorist act, just like the ones on Shia's in Karachi, just like many others at five star hotels on "Pakistanis"!!! Wake up Pakistan, don't let these terrorists fool you into thinking they are killing "non-Muslims" in the name of Islam... they are just killing... and the killing of innocents can never be in the name of Islam! Good article Sana.
T Jun 03, 2010 06:50am
Umm ... how does this make Pakistan no different from the Danish? You have the license to say that when Muslims start to get slaughtered in large numbers for their beliefs in the West. Last I checked, people can practise whatever religion they adhere to without fear of death in the West.
Afroz Mohsin Jun 03, 2010 07:49am
IIt is very surprise to read that all the comments in respect of articles have appreciated the effort of writer but nobody has tried to put the finger on the root cause. In all the blog it was deliberately attempted to prove that Ahmedi is the only community in Pakistan who are the victim and they are very badly treated . No doubt the attack on minority should be condemned with all force. But we also need to discuss and condemn the killing in other part of Pakistan weather it was: 1-In Gojra, Christian was killed. 2-In Pindi, lot of Masjids were attacked where all sect of Muslims were targeted. 3-In Lahore, many Masjids and worship places were attacked and Muslims were killed. 4-On top of all above, the killing in Pakhtoonkwha province especially in Swat cannot be brushed under the carpet. So keeping in view of all above instances of mass massacre in Pakistan, it can be summaries that the all Pakistan is under attack and it would be highly be appreciated if the writer discuss the issue in general term rather than trying to prove that the Ahmedi minority are the only victim in Pakistan. Writer has also objected the comments of media by not calling the worship place of Ahmedi as Masjid , I am not the scholar of Islamic principle and also I don
Afroz Mohsin Jun 03, 2010 08:12am
Hina i totally agree with your comments on the article, without any reason in this article it was tried to prove that the Ahmedis all the lone victim. In real scenario, the situation is quite different which i have already mention in my comments. Pakistan is under attack and no group would try to take the undue advantage from the losses suffered via this attack.
Farjad Jun 03, 2010 09:16am
I am not Ahmadi but this hypocricy by the mullahs makes me hang my head in shame. The other day I saw them protesting against jews killing 10 muslims in high seas but what about muslims killings others on land ............... only 10 times over.
Bermuda Jun 03, 2010 09:10am
Great article. Sana, keep up the good work.
HRehman Jun 03, 2010 09:49am
Yes all sorts of people have suffered at the hands of terrorists, but there is one difference in the case of Ahmadis. Ahmadis face terrorism in Pakistan in all walks of life everyday. If the neighbour is not happy with you all he needs to do is to file an FIR against you for saying 'Assalam O Alaikum'. This is only one of the kinds of terrorism Ahmadis face in their daily lives. The prerequisite to even start addressing these problems is to "Separate the State from Religion"; something which was emphasised by Jinnah. By mixing these in our constitution, we have opened doors to extremists to incite religious hatred. This has to change if Pakistan is to be saved from these Mullahs who incite brutal murder in the name of Islam. There has been another incident in the District Narawal after Friday's incident where an Ahmedi was killed and the assailant was allegedly openly preaching that he would murder all Ahmadis in his village. It is not the fault of these uneducated minds, it was started by the power hungry leaders like Bhutto and Gen Zia who used Religion as means of holding on to Power. It is time for all the civilised and educated citizens of Pakistan and abroad to bring home this fact that we should remove any article in our constitution which allows not only the extremists to create hatred and take the ownership of deciding about who is a Muslim and who is not, but also allows corrupt politicians to use the Mullah's to create unrest in the country to weaken the image of the incumbent Government. We have to regain the Pakistan that Jinnah created and that can only happen if the Moral Courage of the majority wakes up!
Bushra Syed Jun 03, 2010 09:50am
AoA Plz correct your typing mistake: Love for all hatred for none..I know it's a typing mistake so no issue.Best wishes for you! Thank you Sana for your nice thoughts. God bless you LOVE FOR ALL,HATRED FOR NONE. Regards
Bushra Syed Jun 03, 2010 09:57am
AoA..Things aside,it's necessary to mention here that this was one big incident.Many Ahmadi Muslims have been killed like this or the other way before as well but,those issues were not being covered as they should have been be. Must to mention they are Muslims and they believe in Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as a last Prophet I hope.The hatred of difference in caste system,specially between Muslims in Pakistan will soon come to an end. Love for all hatred for none. Thank you Sana Regards
sidra Jun 03, 2010 11:05am
I agree with you sir.
Mak Jun 03, 2010 11:09am
Completely agree with you. God helps those who help themselves
S.A.Khan Jun 03, 2010 10:05am
Your write on the treatment of minorities is very apt. In Pakistan instead of teaching not to hate when you are six or seven, you are thought to hate when you are six or seven. hats off to Late Zulfiqar Bhutto preacher of discrimination by declaring Ahmedis non muslims. Life in Pakistan rotates around the teaching of mullahs for whom spreading incorrect values of Islam is a generation old way of life. I do not understand the reasons why political leadership is scared of the mullahs about speaking against the bigotry is mind boggling. The only conclusion I can draw is religious extremism is ingrained in the culture of the country. Pakistan Passports have the religion of the Citizen on it. Implying that it has a two tiers system for them. It complains of foreign discrimination of Pakistan citizen when it discriminate its self against minorities.
sidra Jun 03, 2010 11:00am
For your information this is not the first time Ahmadis are killed. Ahmadis are being killed on the name of the religion with the great blasphemy laws of our country almost every week also thanks to our religious leaders who declared this act to be lawful or so called "wajibul qatal" and this is the result due to this hatred among sects developed by the scholars of this time.
Rajia Jun 03, 2010 02:29pm
I do not see any public outrage against the people who killed innocent (Ahmadi) civilians. No protest marches. Infact we are displaying tacit approval of the killings by remaining silent. Why? Where are the Thekedars of religion who issue Fatwa on daily basis. No wonder the rest of the world sees us for what we are.
Nusrat Pasha Jun 04, 2010 06:17am
Dear Sana Saleem, God bless you and God be with you.
Raana Butt Jun 03, 2010 02:42pm
Hi Ali Akhtar. How can you say that it was not a targeted attack against that community? Two synchronized attacks, same mode of action, and still you are in denial? Come on, get rid of your bias and accept it. Ahmadis are the target of discrimination and this attack was the result of poison that was fed to ignorant and illiterate people by the mullahs. And our administration and rulers are too scared of these mullah. But they do not fear the wrath of Allah Almighty. These mullah are their gods who will protect them. But let no one forget the fate the "all powerful" Pharaohs met. My heart bleeds for my country. May Allah Almighty protect it and the innocent and peaceful people who inhabit this beautiful land of mine, Ameen. Raana.
Naeem Jun 03, 2010 02:57pm
I know what kind of harassment and mistreatment we face in Pakistan. Now when I am abroad when I applied for a job, the recruiter asked me Why did you leave your native country. I explained him the reasons and when I told him what we have to write in our citizenship papers, he literally held his head with both hands. I still remember his response simply holding his head and not speaking anything. Perhaps he was thinking that this nation is living in the stone age.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 03, 2010 03:14pm
@S.A.Khan. Bhutto did not declare Ahmedies as Kafirs. Ahmedies called themselves Muslims and referred to non-Ahmedies as Kafirs. So one of the two had to be Kafir, and the other had to be Muslim. Mr. Bhutto did not declare Ahmedies are Kafirs but referred the matter to Supreme Court. There the head of the Ahmedies declared non-Ahmedies as Kafir per Ahmedi faith, and admitted that Ahmedies are Kafirs by non-Ahmedi faith. After this statement, Supreme Court had no choice but to declare Ahmedies as Kafirs as the majority of Pakistanies are non-Ahmedies. Murdering unarmed non-combatants are diplorable, especially when they are Zimmies (responsibility of Muslims for protection). This is not the same as the right of Ahmedies to call themselves Muslims and non-Ahmedies as Kafirs. I, a Muslim, has no right to call myself a Christian just because I believe in Jesus Christ. Because I do not believe he is son of God. Then I certainly have no right to call myself Christian and call Christians as Pagans.
Rizwanul Huda Jun 03, 2010 03:20pm
I completely agree with Sana Saleem at the indifference shown by the general people and media towards this incident. This shows the discriminating attitude of our society. This is the real cause and defect in our society. This reflects the selfishness attitude in us. This incident also shows that we lack the basic humanity and tolerance. If we don't correct our attitude now then no one can stop the disintegration and chaos in our society. May God help us.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 03, 2010 03:24pm
Well said. I remember these very people blowing up the Eid-Milad-Un-Nabi in Nishter Park where lover of prophet Muhammed SAW were gathered to celebrate the birthday of their beloved. Then I remember these people blowing up a congregation that was reciting holy Quran at the shrine of Bari Imam. On each occasion there were many more peaceful Sunnies were killed, yet not one finger was lifted. Everyday Sunnies are butchered but Sana Saleem and their likes will not lift one finger, because unlike Ahmedies, Christians, and Shias, Sunnies do not have a foreign lobby.
kashif Jun 03, 2010 03:40pm
Sana you sound like kadiani It is good we have sound of kadianis on Dawn site. Kadiani are great people. People of love and dignity. Kadiani against terrorist which has spread through fundamentalist people.
Khurram Jun 03, 2010 04:22pm
The whole of Pakistan is under attack but then such attacks receive widespread condemnation and reproach. Not so in this case where the vast section of the society has been largely indifferent. Besides the Ahmedis are rarefied as opposed to Shias or Sunnis who have a huge support base. Not so with Ahmedis so there wailings have largely gone unattended. A lot needs to be changed and the author has rightly pointed us so towards this fact.
Love for all Hatred for None Jun 03, 2010 04:31pm
I am so sorry that by mistake I typed "Love for all Hatred for all" I meant to type Love for all Hatred for None"......I apologize. I believe Love for all Hatred for None for bottom of my heart. Having said that I just like to share with readers and writers to please TALK about @ every level of the society about following amendment in constitution. 1974 constitutional amendment Ordinance XX 1984 Unless we repeal these amendment Ahmadies can never be safe. This is license to kill without any due process. I've Ahmadi friends and personnel experience has been that they love Prophet of Islam like anyone else perhaps more so. I've read there founder literature and honestly the respect and love he has shown for Prophet of Islam brings tears in the eyes. Please don't let's this thing die because this is not the Qaid-Azam dream about Pakistan. In creation of Pakistan lot of people have given there blood including Ahmadies. Now let's say they are wrong in there believes but does this give me a right to kill them. In Holy Quran it's states very clearly " there is no compulsion in religion". I've failed to understand extremist idelogy.
SR Jun 03, 2010 04:33pm
Afroz you have actually hit the nail right on its head, this is what i was thinking when i was reading this blog, ofcourse and yes all terrorist acts should not be condoned and adequate steps must be taken to curb mayhem like this, but terrorism means terrorism whether its in Peshawar or its in Lahore or Karachi or swat, the writer here is only talking about it wrt Punjab utterly ignoring the several thousand muslims murdered and killed brutally in KP. The suicide bomb which killed over 100 in Lakki Marwat and in Meena Bazar Peshawar, where was the writer then? All acts of terrorism should be condemned.
Saleem Jun 03, 2010 04:42pm
JazakAllah, for your efforts. May Allah give the wisdom to Pakistani people to recognize the difference what is happening in Pakistan. We Ahamdies will hold the rope of Allah, and keep following the foot steps of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). May Allah give us the strength, and keep us under HIS protection.(Ameen)
Haroon Ahmad Jun 03, 2010 04:46pm
Great work Sana,,,,,,I hope there are some more people like u in this country ,,,,,I hope our Pakistan gets rid of religious extremism and we become our Quaid's Pakistan,,,ameen
TO Jun 03, 2010 04:54pm
Ahmadi belief: Mohammad (saw) was the last and final law bearing prophet bearing introducing Islam for the salvation of mankind defining Allah's ultimate rule over all. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Promised Messiah awaited by all - a spirtiual likeness and a spiritual rebirth of Isa (as) as sort of second coming within the fold of Islam for the rejuvenation and propagation of the Truth and to establish superiority of Islam over all. Keeping in line with the teaches of Mohammad (saw) and bring the lost back. Message- Love All and Live all in Peace!
Haroon Ahmad Jun 03, 2010 04:57pm
Great work Sana ,May God bless you,,,LOve for All Hatred for None
Love for all Hatred for None Jun 03, 2010 05:02pm
Since this massacred I am ashamed to be associated with Pakistan; however I know most of the Pakistani are decent loving People. These extremist Mullahs have hijacked Islam and the ill informed decent Pakistani thought process. We need to wake up to save Pakistan because not speaking against unjust and cruelty it self is root cause of this problem. Regards,
Love for all Hatred for None Jun 03, 2010 05:09pm
AOA, Thanks for pointing my mistake. I just carried away with emotions. Regards, Tahir
Shridhar Jun 03, 2010 05:46pm
I feel saddened by these atrocities committed on human race. The extremists claim that they are fighting for Islam but most of the victims are Muslims here. I am a Indian and in India also Maoists claim that they are fighting for poor people but they are killing mostly poor villagers and tribal. So we should understand that the real aim of these Extremist leaders are just to capture power through whatever means...
Hassan Farooqi Jun 03, 2010 05:47pm
The basic difference of faith between Ahmedies and Muslims is the same as the basic difference between Muslims and Christians. We believe in Jesus Christ but not in his diety. Ahmedies believe in Muhammed SAW but not as the final prophet. We believe in Bible, but don't believe the current text is original. Ahmedies believe in Quran but not in its entirity. The problem are is, we do not call ourselves Christians because we are not, whereas Ahemdies call themselves Muslims and refers to us Kafirs. If they stop impersonating themselves as Muslims, and stop using Muslim symbols, then there would be no problems. They would be like Parsies, Sikhs, Christian and Hindus. Yes these minorities also have problems in Pakistan but it is due to our illiteracy, not because of their religion.
arif Asad Jun 03, 2010 05:48pm
What an outstanding piece of journalism, shows how people like Sana living in a trict religious culture can be so open minded. Keep up the Great work.
zanubia ahmad Jun 03, 2010 06:21pm
assalam o alaikum and thank you very much Sana for speaking up for us . We are the Ahmadi's who hold the banner Love for all hatred for none and we also act accordingly. People keep asking about our reaction or they ask to react somehow but our response is to be patient and to pray in the hour of need as told by The Holy Prophet PBUH . There was no screaming at others, no one was out on the streets , there were only sounds of people praying and reciting Darood Sharif even at the time when the attack was going on and that was how we reacted and will be steadfast in being patient and with our prayers before Allah Inshallah and such was the example of the Sahaba Ikram the true followers of The Holy Prophet PBUH.
Lunatic Jun 03, 2010 06:54pm
But it is interesting that some of us protested on niether of these incidents, including me. Mullahs at least condemned the high seas incidents. Let's not generalise the things and blame mullahs for everything. The terrorists are killing Pakistanis without discriminating between the sects, religion, and enthinicities. Unforntunately, this was a more targeted attack, which is highly condemnable. But let's be sincere to our country and don't blame mullahs
Faheem Jun 03, 2010 07:08pm
A Revolution like Iran..... can only solve the situation in Pakistan........
shajarahmad Jun 03, 2010 07:19pm
I appreciate your effort because people like you are a ray of hope. Great Article and I cant express my feelings in words. May God bless you courage to unveil the truth.
khurram kaleem Jun 03, 2010 07:22pm
terrorism has no religion!!!! These are the same state sponsored organization which were brewed in last 25 years in the name of hate and have attacked all segments of our society whether it be innocent people in Peshawar bazar or Quetta streets. Muslims Sunnis, Shias or any other sect. Now they have targeted a minority sect which indeed was a soft target. I am sure no sect allows and support terrorist killings of human life in a manner witnessed last Friday. This is a conspiracy against Islam and Pakistan. The best way to beat terrorism is by not letting to chip in terrorist agenda of hate ,divide and inflate religious discourse within our society. Long Live Pakistan !!!!!
Pakistani American Jun 03, 2010 08:57pm
while there is no doubt there is discrimation against minorities against Pakistan (Reglious, ethnic, etc.), I don't think the horrific event happended due to fact that people praying were Ahmidis. These terrorist are blood thristy and want just to murder people whatever their religion is. Govt. and media should be ashmed of themselves for not showing the same level of compassion that they would if 'majority brand of islam' (whatever that is) prayers were attacked.
AK Jun 03, 2010 09:00pm
The reason for what is going on in Pakistan is our EMAAN is very weak and we are faaaaaar from QURAN. We have no fear of GOD.
Saleem Akhtar Jun 03, 2010 09:15pm
I appreciate your courage and honesty.
Pakistani Jun 03, 2010 09:18pm
Indeed it is very sad that all religious sects and mosques are under attacks at this time but why write about Ahmadis? You should consider the killings and persecution of Ahmadis in 1953, 1973 and 1984...and on daily basis when they are shown hatred by everyone around them in schools, colleges, work places and in sports. Also the fatwas given by Mullahs on regular basis calling them "wajib ul qatal'. Do you not read in news for last few weeks how their members have been attacked all over Pak 'just' because of their belief? Do you think all the other sects face the same on daily basis?
Abbas from the US Jun 04, 2010 12:17pm
Mr Farooqi, As far as I remmember it was not the Supreme Court (where one Justice yesterday elevated the primacy of the court over the legislature on the defination of laws) but the Parliament (the National Assembly) that thru the manipulation of the political system enmass voted to constitutionally disenfranchise a group from the ranks of Islam. I fear in retrospect when the Muslims get to officially declaring Ismailis as non Muslims it will be hard to explain that the founding father of this country of Muslims was a non Muslim and a kaffir to boot, which the Muslim will then categorize them as.
Nadeem Ahmed Jun 03, 2010 09:57pm
You are right, terrorists look for soft and easy targets, also those who make headlines all over the world. They don't discriminate between good or bad muslim, nor between Christian or Qadiani. Sometimes they attack their ex mentors, as they did in Rawalpindi and current supporters as they did in Peshawar. Therefore only one term should be used for victims, and that is "Pakistanis".
Irfan Ahmed Jun 03, 2010 10:02pm
SANA..May Allah save you from evil minded mullah.
kris Jun 03, 2010 11:53pm
kI have a suggestion to all Pakistanis: If Islam means peace, and you respect all religions the do this: Pakistan is a democratic country meaning you can force the govt to repeal the 1974 and 84 law where in state discriminates the minorities. Repeal all those laws. You could reinstate your CJ, why not this???????
kris Jun 04, 2010 12:02am
Sana Saleem, I have suggestion for you and to all your 'comments' writers Please start a movement to repeal the state laws which promotes the bigotry
Ghazala Hayat Jun 04, 2010 12:02am
God forbid there is a next time .... A human life is a human life regardless of Suni Shia or Ahmadi...
A.Bajwa Jun 04, 2010 12:38am
All these protests amount to nothing. Pakistan has to roll back the system instituted againstminorities. Only then will the world take them seriously.Till then we are all suspected to be terrorists. You cannot blame them.After all these things don't happen in other countries.
ayesha Khan Jun 04, 2010 12:44am
Afghanistan and Iraq are different countries. These people are your fellow Pakistanis. Secondly, how do you know that many people in the processions were not Ahmadis?
Baqar Hasan Jun 04, 2010 12:45am
Sana you wrote a very daring article! To me all the Jahil mullahs are wajib ul qatl themselves who spread this kind of non-sense against any religion or sect. Islam is a religion of peace ad these mullahs are trying it into religion of barbarism! May Allah save Pakistan from their nefarious designs! All the madresahs where hatred is taught should be closed! And the media should be gotten rid of dirty journalists who are quite on the atrocities.
A.Bajwa Jun 04, 2010 12:46am
What Zia and Bhutoo did was not Islam.Unless someone formally renounces Islam and combats for another religions he continues to be a muslim. That is the spirit of the relevant laws. Unless Pakistan reverses and rolls back the regime instituted against Ahmedis no one is going to be impressed by the protests such as this.
Ghazala Hayat Jun 04, 2010 01:02am
Omar, Salaam I can not even imagine the pain your family has gone through but for your uncle, What a beautiful way to go! May Allah raise his status in heaven and may He be the protector and the provider for you all. You all are in our prayers.
Zee Jun 04, 2010 01:29am
Great work Sana!, at least there are few people bold enough to speak the truth about Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan. We really need to work towards spreading peace and love in the country rather than hatred.
R-M Jun 04, 2010 01:33am
Sana, By speaking the truth you have moved us all and you have inspired us all as well. It is people like you who are the shining light for our country where day after day the flame of what can be called a civilized life gets dimmer and dimmer. What you have touched on is the most simple and basic idea of humanity. There is no ideas as fundamental as this. It does not even have to be taught. It is in us since the day we were born. We are just so bomarded by distractions and complex philosophies that we begin to forget about it. Basic humanity has nothing to do with a country, a religion, ethnicity, money or even an education. By speaking the truth you have shown real greatness. What I saw in you is true leadership. Step into your leadership boldly and show the light to all of us who have access to your writings and also to the unfortunate masses of our country who do not. Cannot thank you enough.
maxmax Jun 04, 2010 03:03am
This article is one of apologetic person... in reality no one is safe in Pakistan... Muslim or non Muslim...what she is going about... thousands of Muslim are getting killing everywhere in world.. And in my own country Pakistan... who is making noise about it... so please stop being apologetic... First of all we are Muslim and we don't need to apologise to any way... Second look at full picture... NO ONE IS SAFE IN PAKISTAN.....
naseer Jun 04, 2010 04:12am
It is a matter of time before these terrorists will also hit those who don't have the courage to speak out against this atrocity.
faiza ahmad Jun 04, 2010 04:30am
I would like to remind readers about Dr. Israr Ahmad who also declared Ahmadis wajabul qatal. So to people who are calling it an attack against Pakistan should be reminded of the background of anti ahmadiyya campaign.
Samz Jun 04, 2010 04:39am
Why they are called Ahmedis?
Samz Jun 04, 2010 05:01am
Its indeed an inhuman and a sad incident like other sad incidents
Mustafa Jun 04, 2010 05:11am
As far as I am concerned anyone who believes in Allah, His books, His prophets and the Day of Judgement is a Muslim. Mirza and his followers met the requirements and no one has power to declare Mirza or his followers a Non-Muslim or Kafir. You do not need a refrendum to change the laws of Allah. Pakistan is going through the most critical state. Muslims are killing Muslims on a daily basis. May Allah guide Pakistanis, whether they are Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, Qadyani, Punjabi, Pashto, Baloch, Sindhi, Mohajir. They must accept they are all Muslims, brothers and sisters to each other. At this time they are fighting with each other like Pre-Islamic Beduins. They have to change and be true Muslims.
Rashid Arshed Jun 04, 2010 05:14am
Well, Mr. HSA, When you attack on Chelum procession or blow up an Imam Bara, burn down houses of Christians with their inhabitants, execute a coordinated attack on Ahmadi places of worships; these acts of terrorism are targeted at minorities. When you attack a shopping center or are crowded bazaars you kill people of all faiths indiscriminately who ever happens to be at that godforsaken place. All those acts are acts of terrorism serving multifold Agendas. All aiming at turning Pakistan into Stone Age.
Muhammad Jun 04, 2010 05:16am
Political leadership of our times should have learned a lesson from the life of Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who accepted all the irrational demands of Mullahs of his time to appease them and still got hanged due to the movement of same Mullahs, who celebrated his death and still revere Zia ul Haq. But alas no lesson has been learnt, our todays political leadership is doing the same they are cajoling with the extremist and the brazen example of this was the last by-elections where all main political parties were enticing extremist to get few votes.
Sultan Ahmad Jun 04, 2010 05:18am
Dear Sana, I would like to congratulate you on taking a step forward. Pakistani's and Muslims needs to understand these terrors are following the absolutely wrong philosophy of Taliban and Al Qaeda who beleive in use of force and sword to propagate their philosophy (which is definitely against the peaceful teachings of Islam) No Muslim (a true Muslim) has ever beleived that the Islam should be spread by the sword. Islam has always been propagated through its inherent qualities. Those who, calling themselves Muslims, seek to spread Islam by means of the sword are not aware of its inherent qualities and their conduct resembles the conduct of wild beasts. The Holy Quran clearly forbid the use of force for the spread of the faith and directs its propagation through its inherent qualities and good example of Muslims. Do not be misled by the notion that in the beginning the Muslims were commanded to take up the sword. The sword was taken up for the spread of the faith, but in the self defence against the enemies of Islam and for the purposes of establishing peace and security. It was no part of the purpose of taking it up to have recourse to coercion in the matter of faith.
Maria Jun 04, 2010 05:20am
It's sad when innocents die. You forget that so many majority faith Pakistanis have been killed by criminals and terrorists. Are their lives less valuable then the minorities. All of their lives are equally valuable. Please be fair and condemn all killings - whether minority or majority - we are all citizens of a great land that our enemies want to undermine.
Rufi Jun 04, 2010 07:38am
As far as your sarcasm on Muslims and Islam is concerned. Please be informed that all this persecution and "butchering" is being carried out by a handful of terrorists not by intelligentsia or common man of Pakistan. One must acknowledge that in Pakistan, minorities do enjoy a fair amount of liberty - consider the case of large number of Hindu community living since ages in rural Sindh and Balochistan. No one can deny that the abuse of minorities do happen in Pakistan, and frequency has increased in the recent past but let's also acknowledge that this all is happening at the time when the whole country is going through turmoil and unrest. Extremist narrow minded people are the ones to be blamed because so far there has been no example of state organised pogroms against minorities. Brutal attacks on Ahmadi community must be condemned unequivocally but one should also applaud Pakistan for ably safeguarding Sikh gurdwara near Hassan Abdal where thousands of sikh "yaatrees" perform their religious obligations in an enviable conditions which are extinct elsewhere. Handful of disturbing elements within Pakistan should not be only deciding factor while establishing a general impression about any country. There are always two sides of a coin.
Muhammad Jun 04, 2010 07:39am
Mr. Yusuf, Please remember ordinary people are not playing in the hands of terrorist we all in Pakistan know them very well since their creation by the Gen Zia but unfortunately a large number of Mullahs of a particular sect (which you know very well) are siding these terrorist they never condemned them openly without ifs and buts.
Suraj Jun 04, 2010 07:39am
S.A.Khan - The very principle behind formation of Pakistan (Islamic Republic of Pakistan) means
Muhammad Jun 04, 2010 07:57am
Yes I totally agree with HSA these terrorists are "frankenstein monsters" but they are being emphatically supported by our religious groups and religious parties and most unfortunately by some so called experts this undewindling staunch support for these terrorists by a particular religious sect is causing all confusion in the minds of ordinary muslims of Pakistan
Muhammad Jun 04, 2010 08:22am
Dear ahsan, "Killing any one has been prohabited in the religion" you are right but you and I can understand this but not a particular religious group which is creating all these confusions if you have any doubts in mind please read front page of DAWN newspaper of May 2, 2010 your all doubts will be cleared.
Muhammad Jun 04, 2010 08:29am
Yes Ali, You should not be ashamed because we are immune to all these acts we are not human being any more we have been killing shias, we have been killing barlavies, we have been killing Christians, we have been killing Ahmedies we have been killing everybody who is not in line with our so called ideology it is all normal and we are still true muslims and proud Pakistanis we need not to be ashamed!
Hasan Bin Hamza Jun 04, 2010 09:03am
@ Hassan Farooqi Dear H Farooqi, please make a sober attempt to get your facts right. Could you please cite the source of your information as to the declaration of the Supreme Court in this context. As far as common Pakistanis understand it was the National Assembly under the government of ZAB that accomplished this task. And about this ... "I, a Muslim, has no right to call myself a Christian just because I believe in Jesus Christ. Because I do not believe he is son of God. Then I certainly have no right to call myself Christian and call Christians as Pagans." Just what in God's name are you trying to say? Of course you are free to give or not give yourself a right to call yourself whatever you want, how can you take the same right away from others who may want to call themselves whatever they want.
Akhtar Mahmood Jun 04, 2010 12:42pm
Hassan, this is exactly the problem. You advertised faith of Muslims of Ahmadiyya sect without having any knowledge of it. Ahmadi Muslims believe in the Holy Prophet SAW as the pride of all prophets and the source of last Shariat. Similarly, we believe in the Holy Quran in its entirety. Your understanding of Ahmadi faith is incorrect. Unless you review the facts, you will always create more hatred with the comments like the one you have posted. Muslims do not call themselves Christians because a new Shariat was imposed by Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW. Ahmadis do not believe in any new Shariat and hence consider themselves Muslims. In our faith, whoever believes in Allah and the Holy Prophet SAW (just as the kalima suggests) is a Muslim. We are Muslims, and we will remain Muslims. No one but Allah has any right to decide if we are not.
sarah Jun 04, 2010 09:55am
Very good article........Thanks Sana for being brave enough to talk in favour of a community who dont come to the streets to protest for themselves..........all I have to say is that we are a very peace loving community whose motto is love for all hatred for far as declaring us non Muslims is concerned The Holy Prophet (saw) said to his companion, who killed a non Muslim even after he had recited kalima shahadat that did you split open his heart to see if he is saying this for fear of being killed.....
ali hamdani Jun 04, 2010 10:07am
Sana Saleem points this our very rightly so. We must promote a tolerant and secular state which stands against all this sectarian propaganda. We must give the minorities their rights just like Pakistani enjoy their rights abroad. Why the double standards??
Sana Saleem Jun 04, 2010 05:57pm
Thanks Kashif for your comments. Just for clarification, I am not Qaidiani, and one doesn't have to be the one to condemn these attacks. Humanity comes before everything else.
Sana Saleem Jun 04, 2010 06:55pm
Thanks Ali for your appreciations. However, let me clarify I NEVER said we should stop praying because of fear. In my piece about Ashura Blast, I started by sharing a conversation I never defended by stance, rather my reason of putting it up their was to highlight the spirit and courage of my friend who happened to be a Shia,and disagreed and provided her reason.
Shahzad Qureshi Jun 04, 2010 07:51pm
Sana, Thank you for writing this piece...
Ghazala Jun 05, 2010 04:35pm
By any chance, are you the same Hamdani a (lawyer) who had a great article out a few days ago?
Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen Jun 06, 2010 11:29am
We have to realize that the root cause of all extremism in Pakistan is the Government's support for the Anti Ahmadiyya laws. (1974, 1984). It is shameful that no democratically elected government was able to overturn Zia ul Haque's Marshall Law Ordinance of 1984. It is about time to take a stand and cancel these laws and show that the Government is doing its job properly.
Abdullah Jun 07, 2010 01:44am
Farooqi: "After this statement, Supreme Court had no choice but to declare Ahmedies as Kafirs as the majority of Pakistanies are non-Ahmedies." So in similar circumstances if the majority of Pakistanis were Ahmadis then there would be no choice but to declare the Sunnis "Kafirs"? Is this what you are trying to convey here? Would you be so accomodative to accept the reverse scenario - I guess not. As far as your right to call yourself whatever is yours. If you don't want to exercise this right - it is upto you, you cannot take away my right to call myself human being. Personal discloser: Sunni Muslim
sarah Jun 07, 2010 10:36am
for those who say that this is an attack on Muslims and Pakistan, there is no denying that. But what do u call an attack that comes at a time when there are banners in the city against the ahmadies?and what about a simultaneous attack on two Ahmadi's place of worship ???
gayatri devi Jun 07, 2010 02:43pm
The west became liberal after reducing the role of religion. Nations obsessed with religiosity, god will never become tolerant. That is the truth in a nutshell.
Omar Jun 07, 2010 03:20pm
When the government of Pakistan enforces discriminatory laws against the Ahmadis; discriminates against them, makes them sign insultarory statement to get passport; does not acknowledge great Ahmadi Pakistanis for their contribution in the creation of Pakistan, then attacks by fanatic semi literate brain washed people is only a natural outcome.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 07, 2010 06:39pm
There is one problem with your fear. The Ismaili Shias do not consider Sunnies and Athna Ashri Shias as Kafirs. Indeed Ahmedies raised the point that Shia and Sunnies consider each other Kafirs as well. However all Shia and Sunni scholars were unanimously denied that. Actually Allama Naseer ul Ijtihadi clearified that Shia has the term "Aamatul Muslimeen" (common Muslims) for Sunnies and "Momins" for Athna Ashri Shias. To say Mr. Jinnah was an Ismaili is a total nonsense as he openly denied of being a Sunni or Shia, but a simple Muslim.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 07, 2010 06:44pm
These might be the Ahmedi faith. Islam start with seven beliefs and then comes to 5 practices. Practices without belief means nothing in Islam. The beliefs are no good if you misinterpret it. If the finality of prophethood of Muhammed SAW is not there, and some British agent is considered as the next prophet, the belief is no good. Just like belief in Jesus does not make me Christian unless I believe he is son of God.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 07, 2010 06:49pm
Ah! But when Chelum processions are blown, or Eid Milad functions are blown, or even Christian churches are massacres, every now and then, for years, the world does not wink. With one attack on the Ahmedies (and I would not be short of condemning the killing), the whole world rocks. Here in Canada, Pakistani Christians do not get asylum on golden plate, for Shias and Sufies it is almost impossible. However plane full of Ahmedies come and get asylum like a baby would get candy.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 07, 2010 06:54pm
Dear Ali, Bhutto saw the problem in Ahmedies calling themselves Muslims, referred to Supreme Court, and passed the law in Parliament based on the Supreme Court declaration. End of story. General Zia did some bad things to distance himself from Ahmedies only after his solemn declaration as Qadiyani was revealed in public.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 07, 2010 06:59pm
This article and the bloggers are missing a point here. The right of Ahmedies to live as a first class citizens of Pakistan, and the right of Ahmedies to call themselves Muslims, and Muslims as Kafir. I fully endorse the first right and condemn the killing. I do not endorse their right to call themselves Muslim and call me Kafir. I excercise my right to call them non-Muslim and that is the consensus of Muslims. Only non-Muslims recognize this right of Ahmedies to call me a Kafir.
Hassan Farooqi Jun 07, 2010 07:01pm
Yes this is one big incident and should be condemned. But more Shias died in Bari Imam attack and more Barelvies died in the Nishtar Park Eid Milad function. However the world did not wink.
Tahir Rizvi Jun 08, 2010 02:04am
The attack on Ahmadies is a disgrace for any free country and its people. The Ahmadies are a minority in Pakistan and every Pakistani should be ashamed of the situation when any minority in the country is persecuted. Every major religion including Islam guarantees safety and freedom of its minorities. Those responsible for this criminal act should be brought to justice as soon as possible. If we fail to respect the rights of our minorities then we are proving that we are not capable to be free people. Freedom is for those people/citizens who are capable of exercising the freedom in a responsible manner. Those who performed these disgraceful actions have neither served Islam nor the cause of freedom.
Mustafa Jun 08, 2010 02:16pm
@ Sana Saleem Excellent article. Keep it up! @ Tahir Rizvi You called Ahmadis as minority. What will be your response if sometimes in future the Sunni Majority in Pakistan declare Shias as minority. God forbid, this should not happen. I know there are Muslims who are
Faras Jun 08, 2010 03:11pm
MR Farooqi, I am a Muslim, born in Pakistan and I shudder to think that you have the audacity to judge who can be called a muslim. If you read what the hadith and Quran say about Islam then 99% of not only Pakistan but the entire Muslim world has no right to be calling themselves "Muslims". And yes that includes you. It is the deeds of a person that determines if he or she is a follower of Islam not what you or the government think. You are worried about Ahmadies calling themselves Muslims, have you ever thought of calling on your neighbor to make sure he is in good health and have enough to eat, have you ever gone to a leper centre and helped the sick and poor, have you ever made sure that the widows are protected, if you have not than you are the one who should be called a "Muslim". It is ignorance like yours that is likely to hurt "Muslims" not the Ahmadies from my point of view they can call themselves Saints. Read Surah Ikhlas: and you may understand his magnanimity. Shame on you!
Proud Ahmadi Jun 08, 2010 04:23pm
@Hassan, My friend come out of the MULLAH's Umbrella Of Hatred...... Cause u blindly say something of which u have no knowledge..... U say "Here in Canada, Pakistani Christians do not get asylum on golden plate, for Shias and Sufies it is almost impossible. However plane full of Ahmedies come and get asylum like a baby would get candy." Are there any laws relating specifically against any group\minority\community of people other than the Ahmadies which forbids people to literally Breath...??? ans:NO. With regards to Ahmadies there are laws which forbid them to say Assalam-o-Alaikum warahmatullah....which means May Allah's mercy and peace be on you. Now how ridiculous is a law that stops a person to pray for peace for any other individual..... Then there are laws which stop them from saying/telling there point of view with regards to there faith....I mean....a sunni Muslim comes to an Ahmadi with an intention to bring him back to the so called "his fold of Islam" and after listening to his arguments all an Ahmadi can do is be silent.....cause otherwise if he replies or presents his arguments....he is punishable by law..... Funny isn't it...??? I can go on and on about these rubbish in-human Laws against the Ahmadies but let me come to your point..... Would you your self for one min even want to remain in a country which stops you from declaring your a Muslim, stops you from saying Salam, stops you from preaching, stops you from doing anything with regards to your faith in pubic...... If your a true Muslim and understand Islam then you will surely follow the sharia and leave such a country.... Why do these countries prefer to give Ahmadies religious asylum...?? cause of the above mentioned atrocities committed by Pakistani law against the Ahmadies and trust me there is no other community in the world today which faces the same discrimination on religious basis. 2ndly these countries have some basic Laws of immigration on religious basis which offer a shelter to people discriminated on religious basis..... So we should look at ourselves rather than pointing at others....!!! @ Miss.Sana......Proud to have a Pakistani like you..... May God always guide you in the best possible way......and May God be a protector of My Beloved Country Pakistan....(ameen)
Mustafa Jun 08, 2010 06:01pm
@ Tahir Rizvi I agree with you Pakistan must protect its minority. But the main debate is here whether Ahmadis are Non-Muslims. I assume you are with those who consider them as Non-Muslims. As I undestand Pakistan can prosecute an Ahmadi who says "Assalamo-Alaikum" to a Muslim. The fact is all over the world Arab Christians say "Assalamo-Alaikum" to Muslims and no Islamic country including Pakistan prosecute Christians, who are Non-Muslims, to say "Assalamo-Alaikum" to Muslims. What kind of "Jungle Law" is this that no Christians prosecuted but Ahmadis, who say the same kalimah like rest of us are prosecuted.
saad ahmad Jun 08, 2010 11:05pm
Hassan i happen to be an ahmadi my self and i think you should be made aware that ahmadis do not call sunnis or shias or whatever the sect may be kafirs, we consider all who recite the kalma" Lailha ilala Muhammad arasulala" muslims , kindly before making any statement about us first do a little research , if you want tp know any truth about us the authentic , official website is
farid Jun 09, 2010 10:35am
Asalam Aleikom While I have deeply sympathy toward the family members of all Ahmadia who lost their lives in that terrorist attack I want to recall all you Pakistani brothers please think who create these Taliban who trained them.
BushraS Jun 09, 2010 10:37am
Kashif another thing that I would like to clarify is that the correct name of this community is "Ahmadi" not "Kadiani", "Qadiyani" or "Marzai". Some people consciously use Qadiani and/or Mirzai to refer to Ahmadis because they believe it is a disservice to Islam and the prophet to link these "infidels" with the prophet's name (Ahmad). In addition to the passport and ID card forms, the constitution also refers to Ahmadis as Qadianis. Many are, however, unaware of the difference and what it represents. Qadiani and Mirzai are slurs to degrade the members of this community by not acknowledging what they believe. Other such examples include "Issayee" as opposed to Masihi or "Muhammadan" instead of Muslims.
Saadar Jun 09, 2010 12:15pm
Dear Sana Thx for showing your concerns for our community and I must encourage you to keep the good work up.. I hope you also someone to write this kind of stuff in urdu as well, as majority in pakistan won
Mahmood Khan Jun 09, 2010 12:45pm
Dear Hasan Farooqi Sahib, The best way to find out what happened in the elected parliament in 1974 is to publish all the proceedings as it was. Then you may have a ground to state your case. Please read teachings of our great prophet and Quran and then make up your own mind if you have a right to declare other people's religion. Please do not follow ignorant MUllahs who are taking our country towards disaster.
Alex Jun 09, 2010 02:40pm
I think Pakistan and majority of Muslim countries consider their birth right to treat non Muslims as trash. so the treatment meated out to ahmadiyyas is no surprise. most surprising thing was that no body was willing to call killed ahmadiyyas as martyrs. no Muslim politician even cared to visit their funeral. even that enlightened and so called 'honest and fair' person like Imran khan, who minces no words in criticizing the US and others when a Muslim is killed. No wonder Dr. Abdus salaam was humiliatingly forced to leave Pakistan despite winning the greatest laurel for the nation.
Arsalan Khalid Jun 09, 2010 03:01pm
AOA Farooqi: What is a definition of Muslim? Sunni's think they have the definition, Shia's think it is their definition, Bralevi thinks it is their definition, Deobandi think it is their definition, etc. There was an exercise in Pakistan late 50s or early 60s to define what is a Muslim by government. That attempt to define Muslim fell on its face. So, my friend lets leave the judegement up to ALLAH. Only by his judgement we will know who really is a true Muslim. I would urge you brother to read and understand your religion. Judgement is up to ALLAH. We will all be held accountable for our deeds so plz be prepared for your own deeds rather than someone else's. May ALLAH guide us all.
Tony Jun 09, 2010 03:02pm
Farooqi Sb, Who gave you the divine right to call someone Muslim or non-Muslim. First think if you can call yourself Muslim or not. By just being born to Muslim Parents and having a Muslim sounding name does not make you a Muslim. Allah has not given you authority to Judge people, its only Allah who will judge people based on their deeds be it Ahmadi or you on the day of Judgment. Do you think you have authority to judge others then you are simply defying Allah's command.
atif khan Jun 09, 2010 03:35pm
Dear Suraj - I believe Pakistan (Land of the pure) only became an Islamic Republic much later in its life. By calling it the land of the pure it is referring to purity within us regardless of our religion. This then cancels out your last statement. Anyhow, I think we might be opening a can of worms when the topic in discussion is slightly different.
atif khan Jun 09, 2010 04:09pm
hmmm, not sure I understand though....I am pretty liberal but I truly follow the islamic brotherhood (it doesn't actually prevent me from learning or living besides universal brotherhood)....I believe it is possible to follow islam and live in peace universally. I could write a book about this topic :-) Pakistan actually does have a diverse range of ethnicities so to say that they are genetically linked to indians is not quite true...but culturally we definitely are. Actually the solution to all that is simple - increase interaction. I lived in a predominantly Hindu neighborhood abroad overseas after growing up in Pakistan (reading pakistani text books). I wasn't anti Hindu or fact, had a great time learning more about them. I actually feel that in Pakistan we become more anti-India over time as we get older and not so much during our formative years. I could be wrong but that's my thinking so far on this subject.
arjun sharma indian Jun 09, 2010 06:16pm
Reading the comments it becomes obvious that such blogs has become a source of fulfilling the intellectual exercise of mind only.People rea the articles and write afew words of sympathy and do not show any bewilderment to change the this rotten evil of society.Minds of more than 98 percent of Pakis are recklessly determined by religious biasedness.Very few have rational views and thinking.Evils have great depth inthe whole society and majority have apparent or hidden support.Has this not been the case how a media viewed discussion against the minority to incite the majority to take arm against the miniscule minority and people, media,pulic and govt. did not raise strong voice against this incident.You are leaving in the most rotten society although our have a little better(I don't say more to keep you feel a bit pleased).In your country population of minorities is continuously decreasing rapidly by forceful humiliated conversion with no safty, security and protection from society and administration.See in India people of all religion feel more secured (leave a few localise incident that too a reaction).
arsalan naqvi Jun 09, 2010 06:19pm
are incidents of hate should be intolerable, regardless of body counts. what is the point of comparing incidents? lets work together to create an environment free of bigotry. free of ethnic comparisons (much like what you just provided). in all 3 incidents, i see innocent human beings killed in the name of religion. thats the only classification. lets stop with the shia, sunni, ahmedi, christian, jewish, mohajir, balochi, sindhi classifications. it is in fact these classifications that are breeding the hate amongst us.
Suraj Tschand Jun 09, 2010 06:22pm
Thank you Sana for writing this article. In 1970, when I was studying Physics at the University of Wisconsin, in the U.S.A., I heard about Dr. Abdus Salam and our professor talked about him and was extremely impressed by his work. I had no idea that one day he will win the Nobel Prize. I also had no idea that Dr. Abdus Salam belonged to the Ahmadi group. If I was a Pakistani I would be proud of Dr. Salam and the group he belonged to.
Miss. Randle Jun 09, 2010 06:33pm
Belonging to a minority myself in Pakistan and having lived here all my life I have seen many incidents of prejudice and bias towards us. But in the past few years the situation of our country has gone from bad to worse. Reading this article and the comments posted by so many praising it, has been very invigorating and encouraging. It has put my mind at ease seeing that there are so many Muslims out there who care about the plight of minorities in Pakistan . Well done
arsalan naqvi Jun 09, 2010 06:33pm
what are you talking about? who gives you the right to even begin to say who is muslim and who isnt? would have be saying what you are saying now had you been born into an ahmedi family? what about if you were born a jew or a christian? do you think as a christian or a jewish boy you would see the "mistake" of your religion and become a muslim? I don't think so Every religious person thinks their religion is the be all and end all. You are a misguided soul.
arsalan naqvi Jun 09, 2010 06:35pm
did you witness these yourself? or are these mere accusations? for if they are the latter, then you should be ashamed of yourself for weakening the fiber of your own country.
arsalan naqvi Jun 09, 2010 06:38pm
because innocent people died in the attack. every attack against any school of thought should be condemned. and in case you arent aware, there is in fact a full army operation taking place in the northern part of our country.
arsalan naqvi Jun 09, 2010 06:41pm
i would say that this so called "intelligentsia" of our country only constitutes a handful of people. i am pretty sure that terrorists and terrorist sympathizers outnumber the so called "intelligentsia." by the way, the whole concept of "intelligentsia" is overrated. what does it even represent?
fiaz ahmed Jun 09, 2010 08:22pm
Well done Faras, I further like to add can any one of my human brother or sister tell me were can I buy honesty gadget from, so I can read people hearts to see if they are Muslim or if they believe in Allah and his book, shame on you.
gayatri devi Jun 09, 2010 10:44pm
A positive thing would be to arrange for better pass times. More sports eg football, cricket, marathons, cycling competitions, good tv programmes, with music, humour and comedy.
Haider Masood Bajwa Jun 09, 2010 11:30pm
A well written piece indeed.... thanks for atleast raising a voice
Tauqir Jun 09, 2010 11:55pm
I am the first member of this movement to nullify the laws that target Ahmadis (Qadianis etc). The state of Pakistan has no business or authority declaring anyone to be a muslim (or Hindu or Christian for that matter). Raising your voice for the weak and oppressed is a duty of all muslims. In the present environment, Ahmadis do not have any voice or power to even defend themselves. The majority has to declare that they are not going to be silent spectators to this injustice. Otherwise mullahs have the field to themselves and continue to advocate violance againt a voiceless minority.
T. Arshed Jun 10, 2010 12:33am
Please read the declaration in Dawn of Wednesday by 13 religious and political parties asking Nawaz Shareef to withdraw his statement when he called Ahmadis his "brothers". The names of those parties will show their agenda and confirm who was really behind the attacks. It also shows the stew in which these fanatics are boiling. They indulge in this sort of Fatwa-bazi since they do not want to be exposed about dearth of their knowledge about real Islam. Shame on these parties for the hollowness of their souls. Allah will deal with them before long when they meet Him.
naseer Jun 11, 2010 08:10pm
i had a sikh friend who was living in the same house as i did and every morning when he saw me he said Assalamo Alaikum Bhi Sahib. I often wondered what would be reaction of a moulvi if he heard this.
Samir Jun 12, 2010 11:33am
Somewhere I read the comment that, Allah's beautiful Islam has now become Mullah's terrorist Islam. This Looks coming true as like Pakistan and its Islam has gone to Mullahs. What will it achieve as a nation after killing so many innocents in the name of religion. Is religion above humanity ? Name a single "constructive "achievement of Pakistan as a nation , which was achieved due to following Mullah's religion. Any self respective Muslim should always questions to self everyday, did Allah given me life to go to Madressa, become a terrorist and blowup self, or to go to English school, spread education to needy kids, help poor,spread love instead of hate and to be called a Human first then a Muslim. Otherwise what is the difference between Human and Animal. Allah has given brain to human to think, those who just follow Mullahs being brainwashed are like dogs on street and not a true Muslim.
Faheem Younas Jun 12, 2010 10:23am
Dear Saad, don't hide the reality of your beleifs, as its is crystal clear that Mirza Qadiani through out the entire ummah from the circle of Islam, who don't accept him as a "Prophet". Beside this, his son Mirza Mahmood also declared the entire muslim ummah as a non-muslim as they are recite the kalma, LA ILA HA ILLALLA HO MUHAMMAD RASOOL ULLAH, at least show some courage to present the real teachings of Ahmadiyya. Waslam for those who seek hidayah....
Syed Naeem Akbar Jun 12, 2010 11:58am
Pakistani governments have never provided any security to Pakistani muslims let alone Pakistani minorities. S. Naeem Akbar. Canada.
Concerned about Pakistan Jun 12, 2010 08:36pm
When two places of worship of the ahmadhis were targeted at the same time? This was not an attack on ahmadhis????
hn Jun 12, 2010 09:15pm
Samir, Your heart is in the right place but dogs do not kill fellow dogs this way. Animals are way too nobler than these humans. Allah has created humans to be a part of the tapestry of universe; Not to be the supreme animal. Thats why dogs, humans and even a banana share over 90% of identical genetic material. Humans like dogs are meant to serve the universe and inturn derive purpose though life on this universe.
MAK Jun 14, 2010 08:37am
Sana, I really admire your blog and the comments of all those who have participated in this blog, espacially those who do not belong to the Ahmadiyya Community. May All help you all in your endeavours and give you courage and strength to keep raising voice fro the oppressed ones. Actually, this is the real message of Islam i.e. peace. All we have to do is to speak the truth and say the Right as Right and Wrong as Wrong without any personal belongings. e.g. if a wrong is committed by our own Pakistani/Saudi/Muslim, we have to say it WRONG and condemn it. Similarly if any right is done by any Israeli/American/Jew/Hindu, we have to say it RIGHT and appreciate it. please note that if majority of us start practicing the above principle, the days of the final success will not be far away, when the flag of Islam (peace) will fly high all around the world and there will be no oppression/persecution in the world and every one will get his rights. May Allah help us all to spread and practice the real Islam not only in letter but also with spirit. May Allah be always with true followers of Islam.
Abdul Wassay Jun 14, 2010 09:37am
This is the result of the propagating hatred against Ahmadies under the nose of the Punjab government. The billboard against Ahamdies are being sponsored by the Auqaf Department of Punjab government.The extremist Mullahs spread hatred against Ahmadies but Ahmadies are not allowed to express their point of view.
mubahil Jun 13, 2010 09:13am
First of all i would like to appreciate the writer for writting such articles specially in such circumstances when if any individual says any thing which goes in favour of ahmedies he is usually marked as "ahmedi"
Omer Khalid Jun 13, 2010 03:25pm
Indeed a well written piece. After this terrorist attack, i myself have read in many newspapers the Mullas comments about Ahmadies. One of them said that there should be some law of death sentenced for the Ahmadies as they are Murtaid. I want to ask Mullas why they are unaware of ISLAM's teachings. Once they have been declared as minorities, now it is our responsibility to give them protection. They are pakistanis and they are the part of country's assets. One of the biggest scientists Dr.Abdus Salam was not given so much importance what he deserved only because he was an Ahmadi. Stop this discrimination. As a pakistani nation, we were looked down my all developed countries, the economy of the country is going down day by day, the shortage of wheat ,electricity gas and water is playing bad role in pakistan's growth. The poverty is on its climax. There is no peace in the country. Its time to wake up and be united internally to make progress instead of justify and inducing people to kill each other on the name of Islam. Think before the situation become worst.
Omer Khalid Jun 13, 2010 03:42pm
Pakistan is a Muslim state.You tell me the one definition????? Suni, shiya, diyo bandi, baraylwi etc....every one is saying he is a true muslim. Agreed ahmadies are minorities, but tell me is this Islam's teaching to induce the Muslims to kill minorities?????can You justify it?????
Naeem Shahid Jun 13, 2010 06:37pm
Assalam-o-alaikum and thank you very much Sana for speaking up for us . We are the Ahmadi
UnSir Jun 13, 2010 07:38pm
Miss Sana I would like to appreciate on your brave article. It is the need of time to collect all the right minded people to work together against them who promote sectarianism. The Ahmadis are the most lawful, peaceful and innocent people. Why not mullahs asked Govt. of Pakistan to publish the report of the proceeding in which Ahmadis were declared non Muslims. The real duty is to promote Islam whereas illiterate mullahs are demoting the peaceful and true religion of Islam by their non Islamic attitudes.
umerkotee Jun 13, 2010 07:47pm
You are very right Mr. Naeem...some communities like shia's who are generally considered majority but their situation in some parts of country is even worse then minorities! I think no body is interested to follow the gist and spirit of religion, and it is being used as a tool for worldly gains, which is very sad. When we claim that we are the best and rest should follow us then why we our selves don't follow our own creed? I can only pray for religious leaders who are making things even more difficult to understand. There is only one simple question to ask from those who blindly follow religious leaders that, how can they guide us when they are unable to unite by them selves?
love4all Jun 14, 2010 02:20am
The solution is going to be complex but couple of thought are firstly we need to increase the level of education in our country and secondly we will have to some how get rid of these Mullahs.
Malik Usman Ahmed Jun 14, 2010 05:32am
For those who say that this is an attack on Muslims and Pakistan, there is no denying that. But what do you call an attack that comes at a time when there are banners in the city against the ahmedies?and what about a simultaneous attack on two Ahmadi
Cuckoo Jun 14, 2010 08:38pm
The bloggers here are no less intolerant than those who killed innocent Ahmedis. People use words like "shame on you" and at the same time teach others how to be a good and tolerant Muslims. And interestingly they say all this while emphasising the fact that only God has the power to make judgement on our deeds. Shall we all look inwards first?
Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen Jun 15, 2010 11:14am
yes, and we need to remove the laws that encourage discrimination, like General Zia ul Haque's "Marshall Law Ordinance" of 1984.
CamelDriver Jun 15, 2010 01:56am
Our deeds or actions should be based on our faith and believes. Our action should and ought to be what the Prophet (S) did and taught us. Allah says in Qur
Mustafa Jun 15, 2010 02:31am
The Moulvi or Mullah will say "Yeh Qeyamat ki nishanee hai" (This is sign of Day of Judgment).
Asim Jun 15, 2010 07:40am
Terrorists have no religion, they are intoxicated with hatred for others. I think no educated person can think to kill other on the basis of religious differences.... Just to remind you that terrorists attacks and kills everyone either they are Muslims or not. We have seen them earlier attacking on Jumah Prayers in Masajids killing hundred of thousands Muslims. Every Pakistan suffered from religious extremism, it is nothing to do with religion ... it is only barbarism. If we want our next generation to get rid of this ... we need to make education common for all.
K.Butt Jun 15, 2010 04:21am
No prophet after Mohammad (p.b.u.h).
abu sajid Jun 15, 2010 06:17am
The attack on the two Ahmadis places of worship on 28 May 2010 was real terrorist attack. Such high handedness of the criminals! I do not know what is being done about it. Is there any clue to the perpetrators of the gruesome murder of more than 100 innocent Ahmadis during prayer. Where is religion?? When militants are killing peaceful prayer mongers in the name of Islam and the rest of countrymen are taking it easily, it is high time that entire nation should wait for its own bad end. All sects of the Muslims should have openly and vehemently condemned the sinful act committed by a few persons so as to save themselves from the wrath of Allah. It is the responsibility of every Pakistani to shun all politics and come out against killing of peaceful prayer mongers of any faith. That would be good for them and their children.
FM Jun 15, 2010 06:11pm
All so called liberal muslims commenting that ahmedis should have freedom to call themselves muslims, should know that Mr.Mirza declared and Ahmedis believe all of us (non-ahmedis) to be non-muslims. Proof is on ahmedi website itself: pg.70 & 71 (the ahmedi caliph author of the book subsequently testifies the belief that non-ahmedis are kafirs!) Ahmedis call us non-muslims, and then tell us(in comments) that calling anyone non-muslim is wrong!! Wake up people to their deceptive tactics.
Janjua Jun 15, 2010 08:25pm
K.Butt! It's not a religious debate.. It's about humanity and following the Uswa-e-Hasna of Holy Prophet (SAW).. He didn't order the killings of even Kuffar-e-Makka so why are we killing the Non-Muslims in the name of Islam.
Ahmadi Jun 16, 2010 01:02am
Mr. Farooqi.. If only you had read Quran and Hadith, you would know that you have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to call anyone else Non-Muslim if they say Kalima and believe that they are Muslim. For the record, no Ahmadi declares any one else Kaafir... we are taught better than that. Only Allah is the judge of what is in anyone's heart.
Bushra Syed Jun 16, 2010 11:45am
Dear Ahsan, I have an Ahmadi friend and i would suggest you need to do a little more research. Ahmadis have not created any problem,they just follow their believe ( must to mention they do believe in Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as a last Prophet).Don't people differentiate Sunnis with Shia and others.They can,so that's not the point that people won't be able to differentiate,this is infact creating more hatred towards them.I wish that in Pakistan the hatred of sect difference come to an end. Ameen God bless you
Bushra Syed Jun 16, 2010 11:30am
@ Faheem,Ahmadis don't need to hide the reality of their beliefs,it's all very clear. I have Ahmadi friends and i have myself researched a lot.I would suggest you to do some research yourself. Ofcourse we shouldn't insult Ahmadis because of their belief.they do believe in Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as a last Prophet. Everybody has the right to follow their belief.
Hamza Baloch Jun 16, 2010 02:59pm
For you kind information,ahmdis were called to put their point infornt of National assembly. And stop blaming Mullah on every think you find against ahmedis. You are a girl, try to read Mirza ghulam ahmed veiws about women!
maqsood A. Abdullah Jun 17, 2010 09:48am
Dear Zanubia Ahmad, you people are God fearing, but I know if you fight with these Mullah you can do this very nicely, but your reaction being be patient and prayers before Allah Subhanatala shall definaely help you. Inshallah.
Pakistani Jun 17, 2010 12:41am
Our called first foreign minister Zafar Ali Khan (Ahmedi) did not offer it for Mohammad Ali Jinnah and stood on side where as everybody was offering Namaz-e-Janaza.
Mubashir Jun 17, 2010 01:25am
I checked your reference but sorry to say that there in no proof of your allegation.You must keep in mind that there is great difference in Kafir and Non Muslim.A person who calls himself Muslim can be Kafir according to other sect and our Sectarian Ulmas are used to to give fatwas against other Sects. What is your opinion about them? What we want is to stop this hate game.
Abdul Jun 17, 2010 06:21am
So your solution is to kill them!!!!
G H Jun 17, 2010 05:55am
No pdf file is available at this address. Give your reference with regard to MP3 audio file which is available.
Obaid Ullah Khan Jun 17, 2010 07:51am
May be a Revolution, but must be opposite to Iran and Secularism must prevail.
Bushra Syed Jun 17, 2010 12:20pm
You are so right it's time to be united for the sake of Pakistan,my friend's uncle has been killed in the Lahore incident. I can't forget the tear on her eyes...I just can't May Allah bring Peace in Pakistan and May Allah guide some Islamic scholars in our country (who also come on TV) regarding their wrong concept and logic against Ahmadis. GOD BLESS PAKISTAN
Fais123 Jun 17, 2010 05:10pm
The proof is irrefutable and leaves no doubt. How more clearer can it get? @ GH : it is available definitely @ Abdul: I certainly did not mean that, infact i've condemned the attacks strongly. @Mubashir: So you saying its 'OK' if ahmedis categorically call non-ahmedis muslims. And ahmedis have been declared so unanimously by all learned Islamic scholars. Such an exclusion is unprecedented in the history of Islam and reflects the strongly diverging views of the community. The attack is condemnable and it is sad too that such forums are being used for propagation of ahmedi religious beliefs in response to which I had to object. This forum is principally for discussing minority rights and should not be converted into a religious debate.
Nas Khan Jun 17, 2010 06:56pm
your reference is not working.... by the way I'm an Ahmadi and I'm never told that any non Ahmadi is non Muslim, infact all of our ulemas always say that "Who call himself as a Muslim is Muslim".
L Ahmad Jun 17, 2010 10:39pm
First foreign minister was not Zafar Ali Khan. Wrong. Please get your facts right.
samrah Jun 18, 2010 12:51pm
@FM sir i checkd the pages you refferd.... bt no such claim has been made that ahmedis consider all Non-ahmedis as Non-muslims...
Baby Girl Dresses Jun 18, 2010 04:45am
Nice post
Aftab Kenneth Wilson Jun 18, 2010 05:00am
If a particular religion orders its followers not to sit, talk, eat. etc etc etc with OTHERS then this is what one should and must expect.
Fais123 Jun 18, 2010 04:56pm
sorry for confusing you. It is page 56&57 of the book and 70&71 if you go by acrobat reader's count.
Mubashir Jun 18, 2010 06:46pm
So you want to stop Ahmadis from propagating their faith but same time you are trying to create hatred emotions against them. Which are most harmful for our society. Only condemning is not sufficient. Change in behavior against Shias, Ahmadis, Christians & Hindus is needed to make our country Quaid's Pakistan.
Haji Rafiq Tschannen Jun 19, 2010 04:11pm
Indeed, there are things that need to be brought to justice in this life, such as murder, theft and there are things which Allah will judge in the next life, such as beliefs. Looking at Pakistan I think you would be sufficiently busy to judge in this life what needs to be judged.
O J DEEN Jun 19, 2010 06:17pm
O J DEEN Jun 19, 2010 06:26pm
Now, as stated in the Holy Qur
gayatri devi Jun 19, 2010 10:26pm
I have no great expectations from societies at large. However some are much worse. Its a pity. We have to live with it.
gayatri devi Jun 19, 2010 10:27pm
I have few expectations.
Mustafa Jun 19, 2010 11:12pm
Dear Maqsood, taking no action but praying to Allah for help, is not the teaching of Islam. This is what the half learned Mullahs tell everyone and despite education, Pakistanis listen and follow these Jahil Mullahs. A Muslim in the time of Holy Prophet found his camel missing when he woke up in the morning. He went to the Holy Prophet and told him, I trusted Allah to keep my camel safe but he is gone. The Holy Prophet asked him "Did you tie your camel?". He said "no". The Holy Prophet said "tie your camel then trust Allah". The Lesson is "Action first then trust Allah" or "Action first then make a dua to Allah". How many Mullahs know this and preach this?
Daveed Jun 20, 2010 03:33am
Great post Sana. Keep up the good work.
Naeem Khan Jun 21, 2010 03:54am
The name of the first foreign Minister was Al-Hajj Sir Chaudhry Muhammad Zafarullah Khan, KCSI (6 February 1893 - 1 September 1985) was a also a personal friend and trusted adviser of Muhammad Ali Jinnah. He did not offer prayers at his friend's and the Father of the nation's funeral because the man leading the funeral prayers Maulana Usmani had called Zafarullah Khan a "kafir" and had had proclaimed him "wajib -e qatl". Had he offered funeral prayers behind this "jahil" maulana , all hell would have broken loose. In order to avoid this fiasco, he decided to stay on the sidelines. There were no issues with Muhammad Ali Jinnah but the issue was with the Jahil Maulana. Just for your information -Maulana Maudoodi did not offer funeral prayers as well. I would like to know the reason why?
Naeem Khan Jun 21, 2010 04:12am
Very well said Abu Ayan. You have expressed my feelings as an Ahmadi. May Allah bless you!!
sarah Jun 21, 2010 09:27am
No Ahmadi ever did any such thing as you write......We eat , sit, and even talk to everyone irrespective of is the OTHERS that don't like to eat sit and talk to us......
smalik Jun 21, 2010 11:16am
Right answer, now what you say Pakistani.
Mahmood Jun 22, 2010 07:11am
Great! No man can write this from Pakistan ?
Abdul Jun 22, 2010 04:34pm
she is a women :P
hn Jun 24, 2010 03:51am
What is wrong with being a Kafir? Allah seem to have blessed them with intelligence, technology, prosparity and practical senses and better work ethic. Being a Kafir cannot be as bad as you are perhaps taught
Bilal Ahmad Bajwa Jun 27, 2010 01:08pm
Thanks for writing this thought provoking article. We need to abolish discriminatory laws from the constitution of Pakistan in order to discourage discrimination and hatred against Ahmadis. I strongly condemn this discrimination in the name of Islam. My heart cries on killing of innocent and unarmed civilians who gathered to pray before almighty God, who is not private property of any specific religion.
Bilal Ahmad Bajwa Jun 27, 2010 10:05pm
Such heinous crime must be condemned in strongest words. Government should understand its job to protect Ahmadis from rascal and illiterate fundamentalists by abolishing discriminatory laws.
Dr.Inam Jun 28, 2010 07:21pm
Offering janaza is not a farz. Islam cannot get in DANGER by some one not offering Janaza. It sure gets in DANGER with sectarian violence supported by Mullahs and people who are afraid of them.
Dr.Inam Jun 28, 2010 07:27pm
If what Zia and Bhutto did was Islam they would have an honorable death. Those actions need to be reverted and Pakistanis need to look back when and where the biggest mistake was made on the name of Islam otherwise Taliban will do what they are doing today. Sana, You need to be really careful. They don't spare people like you. Either you should be with them or ?
Dr.Inam Jun 28, 2010 07:44pm
If Pakistanis need to save the future of their children they should have acted long ago. Their acceptance indicate that they love violence in the name of Islam and they love to send their children to Mullahs Madrasas and accept their teachings on the name of ISLAM. A hateful crime was committed not for the first time but it started in 1953. All the poloitical Govts are afraid of mullahs because they are the master minds of all the evil prevailing in Pakistani society.
Bilal ZM Jun 30, 2010 04:29am
If the Security personnals can
Mohsin Jun 30, 2010 07:22pm
"Today, I must confess that I am scared of the uncertainties the future holds." Very rightly figured out the situation. This inhuman act must have taken attentions of the Almighty in skies. Lets just pray for Pakistan and its people, as it seems nothing else will work now. And good effort Sana Saleem. Keep it up. Godspeed.
Imran Jul 01, 2010 05:51am
We all need to know that from where this problem starts ? The problem starts from the Goverment and Mosques and the hatred speeches from so Called MULLAHS/MOLVII. They pour there full of hate old and unrealistic speeches in to heads of inocent nation. For their own business. We have seen this in recent years that this hate is mix with politics where they use this for getting vote. I some time get astornished that why we always forgot that these Mullahs/Molvis are the evils/ who were against Pakistan and called our only hero Quaid Azam as Kafir e Azam. (Nauzbillah) Please someone stop this on mass level that Pakistan is peach full nation of peaceful people, not of these extremist Mullahsss.