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OBOR connectivity shunned

Updated May 18, 2017 08:30pm

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ALL historic opportunities come with an element of risk. It is, therefore, quite appropriate to ask hard questions about the financing and affordability of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, and to which country will accrue the majority of gains in the years and decades ahead.

At the same time, it is necessary to acknowledge that CPEC is only one plank, an important one no doubt, of the vast One Belt, One Road project that Chinese President Xi Jinping has made the centrepiece of his rule — a developmental and an infrastructure-building spree on a scale that the world has not seen since the end of the Second World War.

While the US, architect of the current global economic and political order, has fretted that OBOR amounts to China’s first attempt to redraw the global order, there is an undeniable opportunity at the heart of the venture.

If engaged with sensibly and pragmatically, OBOR could help all of China’s trading partners and regional neighbours, big and small, realise collective gains. That makes India’s decision to boycott the OBOR summit all the more puzzling. Even the US and Japan sent delegations to the summit in Beijing.

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The Indian foreign ministry’s official reasons for declining to participate are contradictory. Citing India’s own Act East, Neighbourhood First and Go West policies, the ministry spokesperson has claimed that connectivity is at the heart of Indian foreign policy.

But the spokesperson has rejected that very connectivity through OBOR on the pretext of debt traps and financial responsibility — a bizarre form of diplomacy where India appears to believe that it is better placed to interpret the national interest of third countries and the sovereign decisions they are making than those countries themselves.

Even the objection to CPEC because of the claim that the Gilgit-Baltistan region is integral to the Kashmir issue is self-defeating; CPEC is only a part of OBOR, which has already drawn in virtually all of India’s neighbours.

It is as if India believes that by ignoring OBOR, it can thwart its vast effects on the region. In reality, even the most cautious cooperative approach by India could yield significant benefits for both India and the region.

From a Pakistan-centric approach too, the Indian approach makes little sense. As the relationship between China and India itself has shown, trade and economic cooperation can reduce political tensions and create enough incentives for long-term disputes to not turn into open conflict. If OBOR succeeds even to a small extent, it could draw the wider region into a virtuous cycle of trade and prosperity that could cause the spectre of conflict among the region’s three major military powers to recede.

Perhaps India sees itself as a global power to rival China eventually, but that does not mean it should spurn sensible opportunities in the interim. India should reconsider its stance on OBOR.

Published in Dawn, May 17th, 2017

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Aleem May 17, 2017 01:25am

Let Indians stay out of this as it suits Pakistan well.

Mohit(US) May 17, 2017 01:53am

And i thought People"s Daily is a chinese newspaper..

brr May 17, 2017 02:12am

CPEC has little to do with India, OBOR has little to do with India - its is all about China desperately to make other countries borrow its money, build roads using chinese companies and employees, and agree to have chinese products dumped in its market. Given that, India's current position is intelligent.

SO please be glad you have become a Chinese colony, enjoy your ride.

shyam May 17, 2017 02:14am

If one looks at the facts of OBOR/CPEC - chinese banks lend money at high interest rate, chinese workers would build the infrastructure, and the new companies in host countries would be chinese owned. India sees this as a win-loose and hence she opted out. I think she did a service to other countries by articulating the reasons.. which are - Local people are not participating , local industries would be affected and the participating contries face a huge debt burden..

Mohit(US) May 17, 2017 03:57am

In newly found enlightenment of advantages of connectivity and cooperation, Pak has permitted to allow trade between India and Afghanistan...

Sm May 17, 2017 04:31am

Worry abou yourself. Don't worry about others. This is my son's pre-school statement which came to mind.

Hemant May 17, 2017 05:02am

Whether like it or not, india has good political as well as administrative leaders that would take decision on behalf of people of india! If they have indicated that the process of OBOR is not transperent than it must be opaque. Best part of such initiative is anyone should able to join later also if neeeded!! There is no hurry to get investment promises by businessmen who are making these decision

anshul May 17, 2017 05:52am

Yes its true india see itself rival to china in world order which is true as its going to be no 2 economy by 2050. Moreover its one man show no transparency at all built and manage by china. India is partner in other bejing initiatives asian development bank, sco, bricks where its see merit n has equal say. Amazing to see pm nawaz n above editorial asking india to join when no one knows full details except just words its game changer, connectivity and geoeconomics.

Jessiya May 17, 2017 06:09am

Just watch and learn...or may be your time will be better spent learning Chinese language and Kung Pao recipes.

BK May 17, 2017 06:11am

Why is Pakistan hyper ventilating, if India chose to ignore OBOR?

PK May 17, 2017 06:14am

India always has own view and mind and not following the crowd. Transparency is the most important and which is lacking in the this obor or cpec.Good to watch from sidelines.

CHARU May 17, 2017 06:21am

It is relevant to read what does Chinese State owned Global Times say :-

GT described Modi as a man of action, rather than a politician with only slogans,whose success stemmed from his stance on development as well as efforts to carry out economic reform and attract foreign investment.

GT noted that hard-liners by nature find it difficult to make compromises, but, once convinced, they are also capable of taking decisive action.

GT pointed out that India, under Modi, was pursuing multi-vectored diplomacy, engaging with all the major players in the international system. He enhanced New Delhi’s ties with China and Moscow and applied to be a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. Yet he also upgraded defence collaboration with the US and Japan.

GT observed that Modi changed India’s previous attitude of trying never to offend anyone and started to take a clear stance in controversies among other nations to maximise its own interests but he has not offended anyone.

Kadakbullah May 17, 2017 06:37am

Connectivity is good but China is implementing it in a wrong way. Infrastructure projects done under ' Build-Operate-Transfer' system does not put any debt on host country. Instead China is exploiting poor countries with massive debt and exorbitant interest.

Mukesh dutt May 17, 2017 06:38am

I just don't understand one thing why would India open it's market completely to China and second why people in Pakistan don't even ask questions from their government how they will repay the loan or investment China is making through CPEC. And second thing participation in a conference doesn't mean all countries will be part of the obor, India should have sent a delegation but no harm, we Indians would like to know the terms and conditions before committing to anything.

boss May 17, 2017 06:59am

India should take Pakistani advice...right..you have to be kidding ? As far as China goes, it is a long way from building any goodwill around the world with any country leaving aside Pakistan and N.Korea. The growth of China is much too marred with internal human rights violations for it gain trust that the regimes policy will be people friendly. The first thing it has started doing after growing economically is to flex its muscle territorially that has a made a lot of countries cautious towards it. High attendance at the OBOR summit means very little as most including Russia is in a wait and watch mode. India has clearly seen through the intentions and its lack of participation has seriously dented China's image. China is making a risky investement backed by military power, this is a strategy that is bound to fail in the near-term if not even in medium-term.

PROUD PAKISTANI May 17, 2017 07:12am

I am surprised why this editorial was so focused on India going or not. Rather it should have focused on what Pakistan can do to get the maximum advantage and ensure that it does't fall into debt trap.

I am all in favour of CPEC, but we should also look at what happened in Sri Lanka, why did they fall into debt trap and ensure we avoid the same fate.

shr May 17, 2017 07:13am

An editor should have the sense to understand the difference between "sending" delegates and "actively participating". Just sending is a far cry from participating- purely "fly on the wall" to understand consequences, if any, for themselves. People in their personal and professional lives often attend gatherings, if invited, just for goodwill. That is all that USA, Japan and many others did. Attending should not be construed as participation unless expressly mentioned especially when the countries do not directly figure as part of the OBOR plans but will only face consequences. They have no issues with China on OBOR related activities. But India does and a strong issue one on sovereignty!. Hence the latter did not attend!. Regularly quoting that many western countries attended the summit to single out India doesn't mean anything more but a morale booster!!. So, live and enjoy that moment of partying together - OBOR has definitely earned that from the western nations and nothing more.

NORISK May 17, 2017 07:26am

Given the CPEC details that Dawn published recently, no amount of advertising would help believe that OBOR is for global prosperity. Best example is Hambantota port in Srilanka. China never offered to discuss with India on India's objections. China needs India for OBOR, but wants India to approach it.

A May 17, 2017 07:28am

Truly a correct assessment of India’s stand Sir.

India’s stand is contradicting ...yes accepted. CPEC is a game changer for Pakistan ..accepted...but,

Pakistan has never been serious about doing business and in case of CPEC it appears that Pakistan’s role is merely that of “a facilitator” for other countries to do business. Pak is also refusing connectivity to Afghanistan and India...thereby assuming the power of “a facilitator “… not an act of a businessman or a gesture of a good neighbour.

Without clear Foreign Policy, with multiple stakeholders in decision making, peculiar unresolved issues with the neighbours….what we see is ‘randomness’ in every diplomatic moves….making it difficult for other countries to hold meaningful talks.

AND randomness is an enthronement of ignorance… it is because of this ignorance a visit by Mr Jindal becomes free for all national debate...some even demanding to know the Agenda of the meeting and discussions in Senate !!

Convincing Editorial Sir !

M. Emad May 17, 2017 07:30am

CPEC (OBOR) is high risk development opportunities for Pakistan.

good point May 17, 2017 07:39am

Thanks Dawn ( editors) for wanting India to be part of your team OBOR. I believe India may eventually join, but presently China and Pakistan have not done anything that appears "friendly" to India.

Ravi May 17, 2017 08:01am

It may look nonsense to you but makes lot of sense to us.

Chaudhry May 17, 2017 08:07am

@Sm Maybe the same statement should be read to current Indian government too, who is worried about the unsustainable debt for 3rd countries!

kulbhushan yadav May 17, 2017 08:09am

Its seems both Pakistan and China can not get over the snub India gave to OBOR. One can understand China's concern because China would not have access to the market for large population but why Pakistanis are so concerned? May be they are thinking if their govt. made a mess of it by joining OBOR.

Sachin May 17, 2017 08:09am

Not sure what it exactly means by joining obor or not joining obor. If a road is being built in Kazakastan or Pakistan, how does India join that project ? All India can donis build a road to connect to that road.

basil May 17, 2017 08:12am

@Sm If so, then indians should point this out to their PM who has been warning other nations about possible negative impact by CPEC!

Shivananda shetty May 17, 2017 08:13am

@BK because without India it doesnt make economic sense.

OBOR a cart with one wheel May 17, 2017 08:14am

To run a cart, you need two wheels. India is a second wheel of the OBOR cart and China is well aware of the fact, so China is going to keep pushing India. China knows she can connect 10 small countries, spend lots of money on the project, or connect India with less money on the projects and benefit more.

TbH May 17, 2017 08:15am

India has efficient trade route to Asia Pacific and Europe and OBOR doesn't impact trade with Americas much. So Indian approach of wait​ and watch is better than jumping full fledge in this. In fact India is building it's own connectivity to Myanmar, Thailand for easier Asia Pacific reach and this connects our north East. And also chabahar port which will link Central Asia

Amarnath May 17, 2017 08:16am

OBOR/CPEC makes movement of goods easier across geographies, in other words, allows products from far away countries to reach you easier and cheaper. Chinese products will be within easy reach for participating countries and vice-versa. You can buy good products from outside and sell your products easily outside. Question is, how low can you sell your products? In other words, how efficient and well oiled is your manufacturing industry to procure raw material cheap and make in bulk. Can it compete with the chinese industry which is superbly lined up from procuring raw materials to making goods cheap? All the best with that. No, India cannot compete. Makes sense for India to stay out.

PakPukudenguta May 17, 2017 08:18am

You know what, I am an Indian, I am celebrating $60billion Chinese investment in Pakistan and I am celebrating India's loss in not joining OBOR. Thank you Modiji for such a brilliant stance which is puzzling all the mules of the world.

Nil May 17, 2017 08:25am

The more educated pakistanis are... The better it is for indo pak relationship. May CPEC bring all the prosperity that people dream it will.

ASH May 17, 2017 08:27am

Actually it makes more sense why India has decided to opted out. Sri Lanka supported India's concern too. Before China sponsored projects in Sri Lanka, it's debt was manageable. After the projects are completed, 95% of tax revenue goes paying the debt. India is on the run to connect itself via roads with the countries on its eastern boarder as part of "Act East" policy. It is already connected with Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Bhutan via roads, and with Sri Lanka via Sea. The only countries left are Pakistan, which it is already connected but Pakistan is not opening up its route for India, and China, which it is not ready to connect yet because of China's dump cheap products policy. There is no advantage for India to join OBOR yet, so it makes perfect sense opting out from it.

Hasan Siftain May 17, 2017 08:28am

Being economically and politically superior rival India more often than not used to make Pakistan look stupid, China is doing the same with Shining India. First Dalai Lama fiasco and now this I am sure China will respond at time and place of its choosing.

PrakashG May 17, 2017 08:28am

Even this very newspaper has published articles raising concerns on the financial and other aspects of CPEC. India has raised some valid objections to OBOR, and China needs to come up with some good answers instead of waffling about them. Or, you will soon see other countries too seeking clarity from China. The Pakistani government may choose to keep these matters under wraps, but things in Pakistan move differently than in other countries.

ROHIT PANDEY May 17, 2017 08:32am

China has been poking India in the eye, treading on its toes, elbowing in the ribs and so forth since 1962 or even before that.

At long last, in the year 2017, India is doing exactly the same thing to China.

US, Japan and the EU were not represented at the head of the state level. India too was not represented at all. Many countries of the world are wary of China.

Did not Pakistan reject the SAARC satellite? Why don't you allow India the "luxury" of paying China back in the same coin? Create a political issue?:):):)

INDIAN May 17, 2017 08:34am

OBOR is trade opportunity like all bussiness it also has risk. But why should we take risk when without it we are the fastest growing major economy in the world

Himalayan May 17, 2017 08:34am

Guys, pls understand what OBOR. A land route connecting places where China wishes to send its goods. Thats all. Gone are the olden days when trade hapnd via land routes, now shipping lanes are the preferred route. Also have you really thout what benefit Pakistan is getting from this ? No new factories, no new jobs!!! Sorry to say but you were first subservient to US and now you will become to China. Have your own spine pls.
India has abso NO benefit from OBOR. It already has trading borders with China and doesnt need any road to transmit its goods. We are a domestic market driven economy unlike China which is an export lead economy who needs to expand its trade routes.
Mind you if a few more right govts come to power in large countries China will be hit very hard...

Saurav May 17, 2017 08:35am

Why the world concerns about what India think about ? After skipping the meeting, India don't even mind to make any statement, and the 'concerned' neighbors seems to worry about India. Seems the real losers are crying out loud :)

Mustafa Kashmiri May 17, 2017 08:37am

We are not super intelligent like you guys but atleast we have common sense to understand difference between unilaterally working on a master plan and working on a plan bilaterally for mutual benefits.

Jjd bj May 17, 2017 08:39am

China main concern is who is going to pay loan of CPEC if India don't join.

Shakeeb Unais May 17, 2017 08:41am

It may be that India talks about debt traps for itself and may be refusing to join OBOR on that count also. If India is advising Pakistan and other countries not to join OBOR due to the likelihood of debt traps, it should refrain from doing so, since such decisions are the prerogative of every nation.

jingo May 17, 2017 08:45am

after CPEC it would be pakistan that would demand peace from india so that it can develop cpec peacefully....it would be total reversal of roles.....strategy demands that india should let cpec develop for now so that it can apply pressure on its vulnerable supply line in future and get strategic gains......

mangoman May 17, 2017 08:48am

Frankly, Pakistan's approach to OBOR makes no sense to me. Indians approach to OBOR is their issue with China and what benefits they think they can draw from it.

Indian Wasim Akram May 17, 2017 08:53am

Time will tell, if all is well with OBOR

SM May 17, 2017 08:57am

The point is every nation will and has the right to frame policies in accordance with what it perceives to be in its own interests. Besides important to remember all other regional nations that have joined are economic minnows. India needs help from China much less than countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka do. Also one has to remember the fate of the Sri Lankan port that was Chinese funded. Not every country may want a similar scenario in their own countries. Those that do, good luck to them.

SAM May 17, 2017 08:59am

China needs OBOR more than the world needs it. There's no win-win situation here, historic opportunity for China though.

Krana May 17, 2017 08:59am

Taking part in Beijing does not mean all countries who participated are giving full support. Chinese intentions are clear and India knows about it. We support the decision of our government.

Riyaz May 17, 2017 09:01am

Actually, it would make lot of sense for India to reject this project rather than accepting it.

  1. It is going trough disputed areas
  2. Major purpose of this is to reduce China's round about trip from Hind Ocean and region of conflict for China (Korea, Philippines and Japan etc) and reduce its travel time with supplies
  3. Runs counter to India's own projects, like that of one in Iran
  4. Pakistan and China have both "not" cooperated on connectivity projects for India through Iran and Russia
  5. It will serve as a major political bargaining chip for India if used well
  6. Unlike the smaller and more dependent neighbors who are also suffering economic issues, India is in much better position to have its own projects and/ have possibility of better position in the said project itself if negotiated. etc

Are few but very important points to consider here for India. Bureaucratic and corrupt democracy it might be, it is very difficult to have India compromise on its national interest

Kumar May 17, 2017 09:04am

I don't think right now there is a big gap in connectivity between countries. Very few countries lack decent ports and roads. While China has absorbed manufacturing jobs across the world and China is being center of OBOR, in the long run cannot estimate fate of participating countries. Currently CPEC has greater Chinese involvement to make it a success, but other OBOR stories on African countries, Mayanmar, Srilanka are not encouraging as Chinese have done great job infrastructure wise but the countries cannot generate sufficient revenues to payback chinese debt. China needs to do reality check and plan only finacially feasible projects under OBOR otherwise its going to be two way pain to China and participating countries.

Vrpatil May 17, 2017 09:05am

The same China which is giving an open offer to whole world to participate in OBOR,did opposed the ADBank's financing offer in CPEC project.Its good for China no doubt,that too when other investors come& use their infrastructure ,make profits & then pay for it.Otherwise they themselves need to take loans from others to replicate Pakistani model along OBOR apart from having more than three trillion dollar reserves.

Balaji May 17, 2017 09:05am

OBOR can be helpful,if done with good intentions, for smaller nations. Look at China's trade deficit with India and America. It would be totally idiotic for us to fall in the trap again and kill all the remaining local industry.

tajwali May 17, 2017 09:06am

very strange. Judging frm the comments, most of the viewers of dawn seem to be from India.

javed May 17, 2017 09:06am

@OBOR a cart with one wheel india not like to b second wheel its indiasown desicon to join or not why pakistani are so hyper for that we congrulate for there economic growth

vikas May 17, 2017 09:12am

What credibility does China have? All past projects have left countries heavily in debt. They target smaller economies in strategic locations which can never pay back high interest loans. They are then forced to give away land and ports. Ownership of Gwadar port is China's main intention.

Bupi May 17, 2017 09:13am

@Mohit(US) What has Pakistan to give to world.only terrorism. Nothing else

Apache_indian May 17, 2017 09:13am

Why should we help pay down debt and interest for a loan that China gave to some third country?

Vasan May 17, 2017 09:14am

Pakistan and India have great connectivity already by road, we are more closer in culture and trade than anyone. Anyway Ind-Pak trade is as usual except some political issues. Nepal/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh/Bhutan is the same. Good Trade exchange is happening, but definitely there are political issues are there.

Recently India proposed a road connectivity between Bangladesh-Bhutan-India-Nepal highway that connects all countries and important ports. That could have lead Burma to connect later. But it is failed because Bhutan want to dropout due to environmental concerns and vehicular traffic in the region. India is taking steps, but not everyone co-operating. But we are still importing power from Bhutan, gas from Bangladesh.

The problem is SAARC is failed,because of Chinese interference. The main issue in SAARC is India-Pak co-operation failed. Pakistan and India are sitting in the strategic location and fighting with each other and keeping our population poor. Rather we work together.

kickthebutt May 17, 2017 09:15am

sir,China was nudging India all along to join this debt trap.Almost every day,their English media had one article why India should join and recently the Chinese ambassador gave a long lecture about India's role in OBOR.India has weighed the pros and cons of this project and China know very well about the repercussions of India's absence.India cannot accept the territorial violation of such projects nor it cannot invite cheap Chinese goods flooding the market at the cost of domestic industry.India won't pay that kind of Shylock interest to a lending nation.The industry parameters are different in China and India.India is own consumption oriented where as China is export oriented.There is a saying in India" like a Chinese product"..that means a product without any guarantee, durability,cheap and can explode anytime.India also consider this project as the above mentioned one.

M.S.PATIL May 17, 2017 09:16am

@BK

First learn to do business ...!! Then send invitations !

vivid May 17, 2017 09:17am

OBOR stakeholders are nervous at India's refusal and all the while they are insisting that India is only a so-called regional power!

Vasan May 17, 2017 09:19am

@M. Emad If you ask me China will be benefit more than Pakistan. Because already eastern part of China is developed, now they can develop the west and migrate the vast majority of the Han Chinese population towards west to make Xinxiang and Tibet to make the local minorities and grow more food, since the east is already polluted with industries. Chinese plan is to make them majority in the regions where they are minorities to take full control. All the roads they are building towards every corner of the world is for the same plan.

ANIR May 17, 2017 09:19am

If any road goes through China and Pakistan, India is concerned that during tough time, that may get closed. This is a matter of trust. Otherwise Chinese companies are investing in India in all sectors specifically Road, real estate, retail and telecom. India has no problem in that.

BNJ May 17, 2017 09:19am

India very well knows that OBOR can not succeed without her. This is a very calculated move and she deserves appreciation for it. Well Played India.

Kannadiga May 17, 2017 09:21am

India already has around 60billion dollars trade with China. Already many Chinese companies have set up manufacturing and R&D in india employing only Indians( Huawei , Haier, oppo ,Lenovo,xiaomi , many to name),. Pakistan has around 13 billion dollar trade with China. So China needs India whereas Pakistan needs China. China just have to set up companies in India , all the workers they get in India itself, as we have no shortage of skilled and talented people. But not the same thing in Pakistan. They are setting up companies with Chinese workers. There is no way India will allow any Chinese to run their business with their own working people.

Jamal May 17, 2017 09:26am

Those who want to join have joined and those who don't want to have stayed away. Where is the problem?We don't have to agree on everything, India takes it's own route at its own pace and is very successful at most things.

Kranti May 17, 2017 09:27am

India can build it's own network of roads, no need to give it to China... Even though if it is some what late...We won't get anything in return from Chinese

Balakrishnan May 17, 2017 09:27am

Majority of the decisions taken by Mr. Modi till date were correct and within a small span of time, he made important position among world leaders. May be it will difficult for some peoples in India and outside to digest the truth. But truth will remain truth only.

KJ May 17, 2017 09:28am

Calling out on India, saying that they are making a mistake is fair, but not spelling it out, in any detail, on why the editorial thinks so is not OK. India and Indians are not convinced as to why they should join. Perhaps if the editorial knows it better, and why it thinks India may be making a mistake, then please educate all of us.

Abdulkarim May 17, 2017 09:28am

It's funny how some people keep comparing Pakistan's rejection of "Gift to SAARC Satellite" with India's rejection of OBOR.They are vastly different things.You can't just compare a few millions satellite with a multi-Trillion Dollar initiative.

concerned citizen May 17, 2017 09:29am

@Shivananda shetty my dear friend the CPEC part of OBOR makes all the economic sense to trade links with GCC via Pakistan, which is the shortest route for quick supply of good to the huge GCC consumerism driven market. However, in the overall context, India is important but only if they chose to be part of this high risk high reward initiative. Peace and not war is in the larger interest of both countries and I hope we realise this soon.

Gaurav May 17, 2017 09:31am

After 20 years you will be writing" india only made sense"

Abdulkarim May 17, 2017 09:32am

@Himalayan You probably haven't heard of the 16 SEZ's that are going to be established in pk.According to some estimates CPEC and it's allied projects are going to create 1.5 million new jobs in the next few years.

Baba ladla May 17, 2017 09:33am

It's a principled stand and commendable one. No crying on spilt milk please... India hates tears

ANIl May 17, 2017 09:35am

I like quoted here earlier, Indians don't have to worry about CPEC and Pakistan doesn't have to worry about India's stand on OBOR. Both are sovereign nations and know what they are doing.

Abdulkarim May 17, 2017 09:35am

@Himalayan "Land routes make no sense"why don't you tell this to the chinese before they spend a few trillion dollars on land routes.You really think no one would have considered this before starting this project??

ANIl May 17, 2017 09:38am

@ROHIT PANDEY Your last sentence makes lot of sense. Why double standards??

ANIl May 17, 2017 09:40am

@Mohit(US) There lies a difference in preaching and putting it in practice. Its always been a politics of convenience for everyone,nothing wrong in it.Only expectation,don't preach what you don't follow.

Vignesh May 17, 2017 09:41am
  1. Taking Loan from Chinese banks to pay Chinese workforce for building infrastructure in Pakistan for the use of Chinese is not going to improve anything for Pakistan.

  2. Trade with China at the moment is not gonna be easy as there is already a $6 billion Trade deficit for Pakistan against China and $43 billion deficit for India against China. With OBOR Chinese will only be able to market their good to the participating nations and the trade deficit is gonna widen. Its a WIN - WIN situation for China definitely but I doubt if its going to be the same for other nations

omveer May 17, 2017 09:46am

It makes little sense to you as you see everything from the prism of Pakistani interests and Chinese realpolitik. Only time Will Tell. India is strong and self reliant enough to take independent foreign policy decisions. Take it or leave it.

pakchya avshicho ghov May 17, 2017 09:46am

if at all india is negligebly viable as well as important .why ! why not keep india aloof and progress .(if POSSIBLE ).why nwwd a losser nation right ????

M.S.PATIL May 17, 2017 09:51am

@Abdulkarim

Read the plan in totality... short term as well as long term strategy..... China has endured safety net for their investment and strategic interest in the Region. Overlapping of plus and minuses are in favour of China... Plan B is in favour of China.... Whereas initial implementation risk is shared with Pakistan...!!

Jin May 17, 2017 09:51am

The road serves a single purpose- connect the market for the Chinese goods. Period. The future generations of Pakistan will be saddled with debt and wonder the sanity of their elders in entering the lop sided arrangement with china.

HYDERABADI May 17, 2017 09:54am

Come on guys, there is lot happening on this earth apart from OBOR/CPEC and India and Pakistan, lets move on, this is getting boring now.

Anusri Tripathi May 17, 2017 09:56am

@tajwali Since it is very hard to get connected with a Pakistani in real world, Indians have this newspaper to get a glimpse of their long lost brothers.

skumar May 17, 2017 09:57am

one cannot trust someone who sits on a idle cash pile of trillions of dollars and making scheme on how to utilize that .

saudagar May 17, 2017 09:58am

OBOR is now incomplete link without INDIA ! china is frustrated and hence their media is more concerned about INDIA not participating than those who bow !

RAJ May 17, 2017 10:01am

Common sense is not that common!!. One country need to create jobs for it's people, spend their huge cash reserves, sell their products in various markets. The highlight is they are so smart that they make others pay for it at high-interest rates and leave the burden to maintain it (how long will a road last without proper maintenance and who pays for it). Hats off to china !!

mansee May 17, 2017 10:12am

wait for some time. india's stand will be amply clear to u.

SK Jha May 17, 2017 10:13am

This project is of no use to India. It has sea to trade with the world. When trade can be done through sea then what is the need to send goods by roads. Promoting a rival country like China without any benefit does not make any sense.

THiru May 17, 2017 10:19am

EU, including U.K. refused to sign OBOR conference trade statement, demanding transparency, co-ownership and level playing ground in contract bids. USA did not sign either. This whole thing is good for Pakistan. It will bring great changes.

MG May 17, 2017 10:21am

Thank you China for inviting and Pakistan for honestly advising us to join the project. however we decided not to join for our own reasons and I expect you to respect my decision. not all decisions made are 100% correct but time will tell.

sasindran ayadakandiyil May 17, 2017 10:21am

Though an Indian, I agree with ur overall view; fact is while MMS and Sonia Gandhi had kept Chinese relationship at an even keel - respectfully disagreeing on certain aspects, but not taking a confrontational policy - the current dispensation has alienated China the worlds second largest economy. eventually India , not China will be the loser !

bAABU May 17, 2017 10:23am

Its all business .. but who is doing business is important . when china comes in a country eg. CPEC .. China Funds goes to Chinese company for road construction , cement , iron, including labour . eg. china funds 20 billion , all the 20 billion goes to chin company & chin company will charge the Pakistan and collect the money with interest around 40 billion . pakistan will become consumer market and pays to china ... one more East Pakistan Company for China ( East India Company )

wazir ahmed May 17, 2017 10:28am

the simple answer is india hates us and thanks to people who made pakistan however it will prosper even india intend or intend not to.

Nitin May 17, 2017 10:34am

Why Chinese are so much desperate for India to join CPEC/OBOR? May be they understood that without India's participation the CPEC wont be a money making machine.

NSD May 17, 2017 10:37am

China is equating its high efficiency, dedicated, near robotic workforce and strong, near dictatorial implementation of policy with world. China is thinking what was successful in China will be successful anywhere. But work ethics, labor laws, ethnic diversity and even democracy is hindrance to its plans. I hope China plays it well, otherwise it will be millstone in their neck.

Kondur May 17, 2017 10:37am

What to do Now we Indians missed great opportunity. :( :( :(

Before preaching on something. Do something from your side.

If you guys really wanted to solve issues economically and deescalate things around.

India long back given Pakistan "Most-Favored-Nation Status".

Then first thing you can start it from here. :) :) :)

babavickramabedI May 17, 2017 10:37am

India and Pakistan could have developed their own free trade agreements. But, instead two countries which were one have basically no trade with each other. Perhaps India is right to stay out of this for now. India is the world's third largest economy and no silk road is complete without it. So time will tell what happens. But, it is a sensibly written article and good piece of work.

Singh.r May 17, 2017 10:39am

Why Chaina's OBOR on loan???

mimi sur May 17, 2017 10:48am

Of course, from a Pakistani perspective, it makes little sense . Also so called OBOR is china oriented as Chinese envoy said previously they put china first . India is growing at 7.5 annually and It doesn't need a Gwadar to feed itself unlike China. Simply this chinese initiative bring nothing for India .

ANIL SAHU May 17, 2017 10:48am

i dont understand why pakistan advising india to join CPEC. first get the result then advice. indians are master diplomats they know what is good for the country

Fudayl Z. Ahmad May 17, 2017 10:49am

@SM nice suggestion. One way to show India's indifference would be to show total lack of interest for CPEC. You are right; it just doesn't relate with India at all. But so many comments from Indians is showing a very different picture.

murali ramesh May 17, 2017 10:49am

My take is very simple here. The manufacturing jobs are heading west again as 3D , automation and AI will take the world by storm in teh next decade. Already globalisation bucket is shrinking faster than people are realising. And its seen in the election results across europe and US. Massive trade deficits with any country (US, China, EU or JApan) is not a sustainable model anymore with ever decreasing jobs due to AI and automation. OBOR should be interesting but i have a feel very few have a clue abotu how it will pan out in the decades to come.

Santosh May 17, 2017 10:49am

China is so much concerned about infrastructure development of India. Every country is clever because they attended Belt and Road Initiative Forum. Each and every country in the world will be prosperous and wealthy and Rich except India. India will remain poor,underdeveloped because it did not attend Belt and Road initiative forum in Beijing.

SLIDER May 17, 2017 10:52am

India is too huge and a vibrant and resilient economy. OBOR is only an option and not a necessity for her trade and commerce. It is commendable that she did not bow down to any country in taking the stand.

debu sen May 17, 2017 10:59am
  1. Please understand it is a Chinese LOAN, not an investment or a gift.
  2. The risks are huge: operations, country wise, regional disputes, corruption, international finance etc.
  3. Without CPEC India will be just fine
  4. Let Pakistan think about how to pay back the loan in 30 years and what does it mean(burden) for each individual in Pakistan
  5. It may be a good business for China, can one say the same thing for Pakistan?
Mind May 17, 2017 10:59am

Unlike India, most of the countries part of OBOR desperately need infrastructure development help as theyre unable themselves. Which puts them in a weak bargaining position. Instead of worrying why India isnt a part, you should be concentrating on strategies to develop industries to jumpstart economy. It will be needed once the payback starts.

From India May 17, 2017 10:59am

Not sure why there are more artical one why India should join instead of what Pakistan is getting from it. Its hard to understand that people who hate india are talking about India's benefit. Pakistan must be happy that India is not joining and it remains the major partner in it.

Santosh May 17, 2017 11:01am

Now, Evry country in the world except India will prosperous.

PC May 17, 2017 11:01am

China's Global Times and Pakistan's' Dawn are publishing article on every alternate day on Indian stand on OBOR.That shows how hard China and Pakistan trying India to participate.Why should India participate in a Project which will help Chinese Companies only.Specially when India very well understand with it's participation the Project is going to see tough to get through because it will turn out to be Financially unviable.

Rohit May 17, 2017 11:05am

Once all infra is built in other countries India can put in feeder roads to trade with those countries including China and all this without having to sign any deal. It's like 'kundi' of electricity.

SAchin May 17, 2017 11:05am

Obviously it would make sense only to sensible brains.

Katy May 17, 2017 11:08am

Nations becomes great when they have signs of maturity and grace in the mindset of common people. Unfortunately, India severely struggles in this space.

jafar abbas May 17, 2017 11:11am

Currently India is more interested to remain in other block with U.S.A,Saudia,Gulf States to play vital role as a leading opponent of China. Indian are sharp enough to negotiate in near future on their own terms.

Santosh May 17, 2017 11:11am

Congratulations to all participating natios in OBOR initiative forum.

INDRANI May 17, 2017 11:12am

India will initiate moves to join after NS & Modi meet in June............not at the invitation of China. It is in the interest of India to ensure that CPEC is successful and Pakistan is benefited. This will be a feather in the Cap of NS for ensuing elections. Strong & stable civilian government in Pakistan is what all neighbours are looking at. India has taken actions in case of Shri Lanka to help them to repay Chinese loans.

India has planned connectivity with neighbouring countries through Power Supply and has already initiated action on this with massive investments....India desires all neighbouring countries to join without burdening them with debts. Details are available on Google.( The solar mega-project, aimed at expanding India's solar capacity from the current 3 megawatts (MW) to a reported 20 gigawatts (GW) by 2020 and 200 GW by 2050, will form the centerpiece of a National Climate Change Strategy and cost an estimated US$20 billion to implement. )

Himalayan May 17, 2017 11:18am

@Abdulkarim hi pls read the sez details. Its a production place and hslf way houses for chinese goods. Chances are that they will get the workforce as well. The only jobs left will be very low end.

SATT May 17, 2017 11:18am

Its an failure of Chinese foreign policy that it failed to bring India to the project.

sam May 17, 2017 11:20am

Why is China desperate to shove "benefits" to India. Don't these people understand 'No'.

Santosh May 17, 2017 11:21am

Now, why are you so worried about India?

tholan May 17, 2017 11:22am

what would have been the Pakistan reaction, if India has actually initiated the OBOR instead of China in the first place! whether it would have accepted the proposal at face value. Even now so much discussion ,on negative side, is going on about OBOR in Pakistan society. so the same logic applies to India as well. we both Suffered once at the hands of British. perhaps India does not want another trap.

prashant May 17, 2017 11:22am

@BK It is their guilt they know that India is right on post project debt and impact on local economy however in present scenario they cannot say no to china so kind of forced to participate and convince people by benefits it can bring.. Good Luck!!

KAPS May 17, 2017 11:23am

it's a wise move by India CPEC is needed for PAK as PAK requires investment which will certainly bring property in them India is protective about it's domestic market and they will do just fine without OBOR Opening market to Chinese products will kill lots of domestic market simply coz we cant compete with their low price

Call us conservative , but we will do what fit best to our economy

masa May 17, 2017 11:23am

@ TAJWALI : Because Indians are more interested in information/ knowledge they seek from everywhere , even from Pakistan. After all they are Enlightened Indians !!!!

ashok May 17, 2017 11:23am

Only time will tell the success and failure of this project at such large scale which is primarily driven by excess capacity existing in China. China is looking for market accessibility at global level and sourcing of raw materials from the backward economies. In turn they will have major influence on these countries. There are good examples in Africa where chinese has supported the autocratic government for getting projects and investments at the cost of local people. Sending representatives do not mean to become part of this venture. We are not sure if all the parties will ultimately join it.

south Asia May 17, 2017 11:24am

Good Luck to Pakistan..We will opt to stay out.

Mohajir May 17, 2017 11:28am

Why worry about India ?.

It's simple they neither want Chinese loans nor they want to enable Chinese to dump their cheap goods onto Indian markets and destroy their local industry.

Fudayl Z. Ahmad May 17, 2017 11:28am

@From India - no sir, Pakistanis generally don't hate India and i am sure the reverse is also true. There are foolish misgivings on both side, but trust me, if peace is given chance Indians will at once realize that most Pakistanis at least do not want sour relations with India. Pakistanis don't want any terrorists crossing their border and carry out terror attacks. Its a huge misunderstanding and at least Pakistan is paying a huge price.

Saif zulfiqar May 17, 2017 11:30am

CPEC and OBOR have increased the reputation of Pakistan in the world community.

rich May 17, 2017 11:36am

i dont understand pakistan concern why india is not joinning

simple we do nit want loans at rates higer then internation level

we will join if chiina allows us to transport our goods to central asia afghanistan ect, and not charge for thr infrastrusture its builds and uses, will pay toll tax, thats about it,

Shan May 17, 2017 11:42am

why are you worried about India? India wont be part of this. It is all against India's interests. the only reason you want india to get in is because you yourself are doubtful of this "historic moment". You want to lean on India if things go wrong and CPEC doesnt live up to its huge hype (which has a high probability of happening)

Maxx May 17, 2017 11:44am

Pakistan and India approach and policy here is different. Indian is 'Indian centric' and 'inward looking' all about India.

Pakistan policy is more about 'regional connectivity' and prosperity being a smaller country. Like getting China on board is important and it could be a win win for both and other nations.

Pakistan policy is too generous here I must say 'Helping and benefiting' China is perceived as good as in return Pakistan will benefit from a strong China. It is more outward looking....

Sameer May 17, 2017 11:46am

Pakistanis need to look back at history to see what happened to their alliance with USA and NATO and what was India doing at that time.

India would be considered foolish at that time to go Non aligned.

What happened subsequently is there for all to see.

I see similar arguments being made in favour of Pakistan's alignment with China through CPEC, OBOR etc. India is being called foolish, short sighted etc. for not being part of the project.

I think India is justified and correct in its stance of opting out since there is very little for India to gain out of this venture.

rohit May 17, 2017 11:46am

Well take the advice in the editorial yourself, " that you are better placed to interpret the national interest of third countries and the sovereign decisions they are making than those countries themselves."

ZAKIR May 17, 2017 11:48am

@M.S.PATIL " First learn to do business ...!! Then send invitations !"

These are all India's dirty strategies & Policies and stupid talks !!

India desires that CPEC Project fails and Pakistan comes under looming shadows ...or hanging sword....of Chinese loan repayment liabilities. It will be more devastating for Pakistan than going for a war.

Same dirty game India has played with Shri Lanka..........today under Chinese loan obligations Shri Lanka is closer to India and has refused China to dock their Nuclear Submarine at Hambantota Port.

Financial weak and indebted Pakistan is what India is wishing for .........but China will never allow that to happen. Pakistan's CPEC Project is different from Hambantota Port.

So don't teach others what is business ...!!

Pakistani May 17, 2017 11:48am

Why India's participation or not should be a topic of Dawn editorial; instead write on the numerous issues our own country is facing

sampath May 17, 2017 11:49am

I congratulate the quiet Chinese who have built an industrial behemoth and are using their extra money to further their next stage of development. India is having good trade ties with China and we are struggling to sell things to China as it is. What would India gain by joining OBOR when we are busy working on upgrading our own infrastructure? The spokesperson has only mentioned risk factors for anyone who joins but it is for sovereign countries like Pakistan, Nepal and others to decide how they want to proceed. Why this obsession with India's participation in OBOR/CPEC ? Maybe Pakistanis feel with India's participation there would be more transparency and they would know what their leaders are signing them up for. Chinese phone companies are heavily investing in India and it makes sense for Indians to buy these phones made in India to help in building a transparent digitized economy. We dont want all kinds of other goods dumped on our streets from china. We will join later maybe!

Rao May 17, 2017 11:51am

Read about Srilanka's Hambantota port built by Chinese....Then you will understand India's reservations

jadugar May 17, 2017 11:51am

From an Indian point of view, it is yet another channel for the Chinese to dump products to the Indian market which is already seeing a ton of it. Given India's goal of promoting its own manufacturing sector "Make in India" initiative. The OBOR is directly opposite to that goal and hence there should be concern.

Where the countries stand today -

China will be the most beneficiary out of this project as it will be able to open up more channels to export its goods and other infrastructure development services which directly benefit the Chinese Companies.

From a Pakistan point of view it may benefit from CPEC as the vast amount of investments and development work will definitely boost the local economy. However, Pakistan today doesn't seem to want to promote its own manufacturing sector for domestic or export markets. Maybe it will change overtime as the economy improves.

responsible May 17, 2017 11:54am

Pakistan and china are responsible for India not joining OBOR, both Pakistan and China didn't convince India to join OBOR. Hence its not failure of India to join OBOR its failure of Pakistan and China to convince India to join OBOR, India joining OBOR would have further benefited OBOR.

citizen May 17, 2017 11:58am

Why should we worry about neighbour? CPEC will propel us in to the league of USA/UK/Germany/France and due to boycott of OBOR, India will soon join the league of Somalia and other sub saharan countries...

BABU May 17, 2017 11:59am

It does makes lots of sense to INDIA and that is what matters .

MUMBAI MAN May 17, 2017 12:00pm

It beats me, why others, including China are hell bent on India participating in OBOR? If India does not want it, so be it! We all make choices for ourselves, if India is making a choice, at the same time it is not insisting others make the same choice too!

sampath May 17, 2017 12:00pm

@PROUD PAKISTANI. You are absolutely correct. If this project succeeds and it a game changer for Pakistan it will usher in peace also since economic growth and terrorism cannot go together. Pakistanis should focus on education/skilling as of now so they can atleast get good jobs once the projects take off. Everything is about profit and bringing talented chinese to Pakistan will cost more and skilled/qualified Pakistanis will be hired. A recent article in the NYTimes about the Chinese building a train network in Laos had chinese welders working. Also some uranium mine project in Africa had a whole bunch chinese experts being paid handsomely. All these jobs Pakistanis must aim for and should focus on vocational training enhancement so students coming out of educational institutes dont only look to the west or the middle east for jobs. All the best to Pakistan in the interest of peace for both India and Pakistan. India will watch from the sidelines and hope all of us succeed.

PSC May 17, 2017 12:01pm

India's trade deficit with China is USD 52 billion and if Govt of India is working to bring it down, am all in support for it. Joining CPEC will only widen this gap. Pakistan citizens should read these 2 articles published in Dawn and think it over, how competent their administration and rulers to reap any benefit https://www.dawn.com/news/1277774 https://www.dawn.com/news/1326395

Soumik pyne May 17, 2017 12:03pm

A new Asia Africa maritime connectivity corridor to be jointly funded by Japan & India is to be announced on 22nd May 2017 called the "freedom passage" the low key ceremony will be held in Ahmedabad & representatives from 78 countries are attending including 53 from Africa alone. India & Japan together represent at 7$Tr GDP which is close to the 11$Tr GDP of China.Japan & the US may have attended OBOR but just like the EU & Russia they're not taking one penny from China . In fact for all these nations the Chinese will pay to use railway lines & roads that already exist,hence these nations have nothing to lose , the only losers here are nations that are being laded with Chinese loans which will have to be repaid with heavy interest.

sky May 17, 2017 12:05pm

"Perhaps India sees itself as a global power to rival China eventually, but that does not mean it should spurn sensible opportunities in the interim" -- Before you claim the shorterm profit ... you should think about the longterm loss

world number 1 economy May 17, 2017 12:06pm

OBOR project is to make China a world no1. economy beating US.

win loss May 17, 2017 12:08pm

For India OBOR is a WIN-LOSS deal rather than a WIN-WIN deal and hence India opted out of OBOR.

masa May 17, 2017 12:20pm

@ TAJWALI : Because Indians are more interested in information/ knowledge they seek from everywhere , even from Pakistan. After all they are Enlightened Indians !!!!

Indian May 17, 2017 12:20pm

Indian view is not properly presented here , our foreign secratory S jaishankar Said , India wants more discussions before we decide to become part of OBOR in 2015 after that Chinese goverment didnot even respond, so is it sane to join OBOR without thinking properly,we are not emotional fools to take emotional decisions we do business of 72 billion $ every year with China ,but any big decision needs thorough research which Chinese didnot want us to do , even in case of Pakistan such a huge project was announced unilateraly by China when Xinping visted Pakistan like a gift but actual its bussiness parternership .there were no discussions before Chinese planned CPEC through Pakistan , who knows what will happen in future but it is logical to stay away if its not in your terms

Nick May 17, 2017 12:24pm

It might make little sense to Pakistanis but as an Indian, when future generations aspire to start up new firms and industries in India they will be hard pressed to compete against established chinese firms. Thus,joining OROB will cripple our local produce because of cheap products from China. Hence in short term, this decision might undermine us but in the long run we will emerge stronger and better due to current Govt policies of India.

Vicky May 17, 2017 12:25pm

@Mohit(US) too good, just loved it.

jafar abbas May 17, 2017 12:27pm

India chooses to stay away at the moment and may negotiate in future on its own terms.

Raj May 17, 2017 12:28pm

I think Indian stance makes perfect sense.

  1. OBOR is brought by china to dump cheap products at the expense of local produce
  2. Signing up to OBOR will result in India at the mercy of Pakistan as it would threaten to close the road for Indian exports whenever it wants
  3. The OBOR infrastructure project always goes to Chinese companies so no benefit for industry in the host country where it is build. Example roads and rails in Pakistan. Of course mountain of debt to host country to pay back
  4. India world number 7 economy in the world without OBOR and fastest growth reported across the world
  5. China will use India to set foot in land locked Bangladesh at the expense of India
  6. China considers India as its enemy and blocks every move internationally so why give them what they want? Surely you can't harm us and at the same time expect us to open our market to China
  7. OBOR is brought by China to kick start its falling growth. So why give them growth at our own expense?
nitin May 17, 2017 12:46pm

Majority of the countries taking part in OBOR will not be able to pay Chinese debt thus converting the same into equity , effectively China will own these projects in participant countries , and this will be the beginning of Chinese control . compare this to Japan , who has offered to make bullet trains in India , for the first 10 years there is no payback by India, and after that its on a very very low interest rate, not only that it will also allow tech transfer under "make in India" and will use majority of Indian labour. i wish my Pakistani freinds goodluck on CPEC but that should ask there government some hard qustions, ultimately they will have to pay this debt, one way or another.

U May 17, 2017 12:50pm

Open Wagah Attari border , that will make more sense to connectivity for India...

ashraf May 17, 2017 12:55pm

Indians want to live in the Euphoria of Modinomics, well let them live. Pakistan wants to hug China ever more closely, well let them hug 'em. Why are indians commenting so much on CPEC on Pakistani newspapers. Go first connect ur side of occupied Kashmir with Jammu via rail. It has been 2 decades now and the bridges and tunnels are still not ready. If world is talking about Connectivity via roads and rail links, India better keep its mouth shut.

Prateik May 17, 2017 12:56pm

Trade doesn't make sense if there are tensions at your border.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 12:59pm

We live in a time where the investor need not be with his investment physically.

With all the disputes simmering between India and Pakistan, we still trade.

With a bit of creativity and courage, any one of the two countries can make a move--Come-in-invest...Visa-free...Black money-no questions asked...Allow Indian banks to lend money to Pakistani businesses and vice versa even if via Dubai...Add it on...Think...

Money, too, brings people closer.

VECTRA May 17, 2017 01:06pm

India's position can be of OBOR maker or breaker if situation demands but as of now reservations are there which genuinely if ignored can set up the chain reaction that may follow aftwrwards.But yes India is relaxing now,don't count minor OBOR boycott as that's administrative in decision making only.But the dice may serioysly change if any military activities is found in IOR by China and Pakistan.Its is applicable to other China tilt nations.There is a reason why Pentagon and NATO seeks India in their tight embrace.

nitin May 17, 2017 01:07pm

Road and ports are for old economy , India is building " Information highway " to connect the world , that also "free" example the latest satellite for south east asia, if Pakistan wants to Pay for expensive roads then its there choise, India will connect the world in "space". much faster then China can even think , wait for OWOR......one world one road.

mohasa May 17, 2017 01:12pm

Sorry, but India's connectivity is being handled by India and there is no requirement for China to take ownership of India's connectivity under OBOR.

ASHOK May 17, 2017 01:20pm

Why should we utilize Chinese work force and chineese raw material when we have large workforce. We don't have to be like srilanka. About US, Japan they only come to see opportunities for their companies. If china does monopoly then no one would join

BAXAR May 17, 2017 01:31pm

@rohit "that you are better placed to interpret the national interest of third countries and the sovereign decisions they are making than those countries themselves." And what do you think all Indians commenting here are doing?

mansee May 17, 2017 01:32pm

all the pakistanis please read article in Forbes magazine on CPEC

  1. China and pakistan miscalculated corruption and india datd 14/5/2017
  2. China wants Russia to calm india and save CPEC dated 8/1/2017 and many such articles. u will be brought down to earth
BAXAR May 17, 2017 01:33pm

@rich "simple we do nit want loans at rates higer then internation level" Who is forcing you to take any loan?

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 01:40pm

@VECTRA

Before a belt, India needs a road due west.

No ifs and buts and regardless of the US, NATO or Russia.

We, the Pakistanis, would love to send our Sindhri and Banganpali mangoes due east to Bangladesh and Burma and beyond.

You ever tasted a Sindhri or Banganpali?

VECTRA May 17, 2017 01:42pm

Many people wonder as to why China needs OBOR while India rejects OBOR.The answer lies in very simple concept.

1-Geography-India has all three sides water bodies and one side mountain + the land penetrated deep into Indian Ocean.This makes India a GIANT PORT in itself for trade with all which Chinas geographical position lacks and have to depend on Straight of Malacca again which India controls along with US.Thus we are seeing many mini ports under OBOR to be built by China. 2-Point 1 also applicable to military sector as well but not in the form of GIANT PORT which is for economy but in the form of GIANT AIRCRAFT CARRIER. 3-Soft power- India's $2 trillion GDP outclass China's $9 trillion GDP.This is a constant source of CPC's anxiety which it feels despite its huge economy its soft power still trails India

ANIL SAHU May 17, 2017 01:42pm

india doesnt need OBOR. we have enough manpower to take care of our industries. every odd projects in pakistan is done by chinese these days. learn to be self reliant

Pitbull May 17, 2017 01:47pm

To understand India's approach one need to know the meaning of territorial integrity.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 02:01pm

Thank you, Dawn!

Talking about connectivity between China, India and Pakistan, how come we don't see any Chinese names participating in this conversation right when it is about their own 57 billion dollars only in this particular geographical confine?

N.Sid May 17, 2017 02:08pm

@Syed F. Hussaini One word 'Language'. India and Pakistanis cannot only connect through Hindi/Urdu but through English language...a colonial era gift. You can see quite a few Chinese in some forums like PDF(Pakistan defence forum) if you are familiar with it.

dhamdev May 17, 2017 02:11pm

Pakistan should open transit routes and trade for india and the gains will be immediate , without any additional investments.Surprising that Pakistan is not willing to catch these low hanging fruits.

sambath May 17, 2017 02:13pm

@Fudayl Z. Ahmad Thank you sir from India. Indians are not hate pakistanis. There are some bad elements both sides. That is the reason.

VECTRA May 17, 2017 02:13pm

@Syed F. Hussaini Yes i have tasted the same but you are saying as if Sindhri and Baganpali are the grown in Pakistan only not in India.

Ali May 17, 2017 02:22pm

@Mohit(US) Chahbahar would be operational soon and we dont want more RAW trained Afghan terrorists in Pakistan. SO its a win win for both

Abhi May 17, 2017 02:25pm

India has done fairly well tell now without OBOR .. currently the 4 largest economy..

India for it's economic success does not need OBOR.. OBOR needs India (the second largest market ) for it's success..

Manish May 17, 2017 02:26pm

@ZAKIR please send link / reference for indian role to humbuntota failure.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 02:26pm

@VECTRA

Thank you.

Yes, Sir! I did not know you grow the two varieties in India, as well. Where at, exactly? Do they taste different?

Thanks, again.

manish May 17, 2017 02:28pm

china objection to india help to venetnam in oil exploration in seas also makes very little sence to me.

why china not give trade and exploration and constrution of phsical assets like rigs by regional countries like vietnem , a boost to china's economy , as china shall get oil from near by region rather than going to guld and CPEC.

ANIL SAHU May 17, 2017 02:30pm

@Syed F. Hussaini Banganapalle or Banagana Palli is a town in the state of Andhra Pradesh, India. It lies in Kurnool district, 70 km south of the town of Kurnool. Banganapalle is famous for its mangoes and has a cultivar, Banganapalle, named after it. Between 1790 and 1948. hope it clears your doubt of its origin

Cycle riksha May 17, 2017 02:36pm

Leave them alone

ali janvri May 17, 2017 02:37pm

india is US's pawn being used on chessboardof world politics. It is sacrificing its interest in wake of fulfilling US's containment policy of China

VECTRA May 17, 2017 02:39pm

@Syed F. Hussaini No I don't think nor do i think their taste is different from those available in Pakistan.The reason is simple and that is mangoes are fruits and fruits grows in soil and soil knows no boundary whether it is Pakistan or India or China or world.Soil quality are same world wide in layered form and fruits grows anywhere it gets soil.So I think it would be racist to distinguish mangoes between India and Pakistan because both are great and they tastes wonderful.

Pakistan if I know correctly exports dates,tomatoes,etc to India as well through wagah.

About where mangoes grown in India then I honestly I don't know but have to do research to find out the place name.

Sarin May 17, 2017 02:44pm

Can the author enlighten me how it will be good for India or what are the benefits India is going to get ?

NP May 17, 2017 02:45pm

Pakistan had always the opportunity to offer India a transit route to Afghanistan and beyond. There are more cultural, lingual similarity and commen history that bind us together, than China. Alas Pakistan did not respond.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 02:45pm

@N.Sid

Thank you.

No, I am not familiar with PDF--Internet-challenged-me.

Language, only, makes us people.

Let us talk in English, Hindi, Money, Sign Language, Urdu...

It is informative to talk.

NP May 17, 2017 02:51pm

Dont Forget the history, one can learn. In ancient time and till now, the pattern is the same: First they bring you infrastructure, later there commodities and once you get familiar with all,than you loose your sovereignity.

Bhak-ZAK May 17, 2017 02:54pm

The model for development clearly articulates spread of Chinese culture, Chinese companies' economic interests to the countries involved. While one may argue these are not bad things as long as the local economies are receiving their fair share of development, this model till date has not been successful in the countries where it is implemented E.g. SriLanka, Kenya. Prima facie this appears to be an extension of China's expansionist policy which one can see in the South China sea. There are enough reasons not to blindly trust China here. India's cautious approach cannot be held against India. Let time be the judge of how things end up. I hope against hope that this turns out OK, the possibility of which is rather remote knowing the history of Communist China.

NP May 17, 2017 02:55pm

To whom China would sale its products? India has said no to CPEC and OBOR. Please dont Forget: India is a biggest markt in South Asia.

NP May 17, 2017 02:57pm

@basil, did,nt you hear? Sri Lanka is crawling under the burden of Chinese debt.

skumar May 17, 2017 03:02pm

@Syed F. Hussaini - You can win over anyone with following mangoes in that order. Alphonso, banganapalli, malgova, imambasand . ! try that

Sania May 17, 2017 03:06pm

I am amazed at hostility of indians in the comment section, which makes the editorial quite true actually

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 03:14pm

@VECTRA

Thank you!

I envy your pledge to veracity.

The best dates in my personal experience are in a 50-mile radius around Rohri along the River Indus in about a dozen or so different varieties.

We are people dependent on parent states who don't realize we are grown up, itching to fly away, to build our own nests in the tradition of the parents and carry on our own business the way times dictate.

Is there a bank in India which would be willing to explore the prospects of lending us a billion dollars at fair rates?

Katy May 17, 2017 03:24pm

@Sania I was bit soft and polite on this - it is a fact indeed.

Biranchi Narayan acharya May 17, 2017 03:38pm

I think Pakistan no need to think for India on OBOR. India has its own plan, own dimension & dynamism to tackle China.

Malik malangwa May 17, 2017 03:38pm

Remember there is BRICS too where India can cooperate with China.

Balaaji T May 17, 2017 03:46pm

@Syed F. Hussaini - Does the rate offered by China to Pakistan for CPEC seem fair to you.

vectra May 17, 2017 03:49pm

@Syed F. Hussaini "Is there a bank in India which would be willing to explore the prospects of lending us a billion dollars at fair rates?"

Yes EXIM bank like one for example.India always provides loans at international prevalent rates which is even more cheaper to SAARC states like for example India has provided loans or finance you may call to Nepal,Bangladesh and Sri lanka at mere 1% interest rate.

Recently concluded $4.5 billion agreement with Bangladesh signed this month has an interest of mere 1% with repayment option of 25 years period.

This is extremely cheap.Now compare it with China's loans to Pakistan.China takes an ooping 17% interest rate for CPEC.

You seems a sane person to me in Pakistan.Can you honestly tell what you think on CPEC i.e if Pakistan govt of PM Nawaz is really doing nice to Pakistan at this rate??

ghaznavi May 17, 2017 03:53pm

@brr "SO please be glad you have become a Chinese colony, enjoy your ride."

Sure we may enjoy the ride but same cannot be said about your new situation. Ayub Khan's "Friends not Masters" can be a great read for my Indian friends. They can see what is in store for them

Akash deep sinha May 17, 2017 03:53pm

Growth is what a country can achieve with its own efforts, not by depending on others. Our PM has understood the situation nicely. Its only upto pak and china to respect others sovereignty .

M Wasim K May 17, 2017 03:54pm

@brr: OH for sure, we are and we will enjoy the ride because Pakistan is a country which will support regional development for all. Not on decisions based on self interests or try to stop other countries' development.

M Wasim K May 17, 2017 03:56pm

@Sm what a pathetic statement.

Akash deep sinha May 17, 2017 03:56pm

India has a coastline of 7516 km. OBOR is just a game which will make countries debt ridden to china.

M Wasim K May 17, 2017 04:01pm

@PROUD PAKISTANI Dear Sir don't compare Sri Lanka with Pakistan and also the magnitude of CPEC with any other project in the world, as mentioned in articles about infrastructure development, that this project based on continent development is the biggest after world war 2.

Azhar Hussain May 17, 2017 04:07pm

It is very simple, India and Indians always object where is even a slight hint that it will benefit Pakistan in the long run. We should stay away from these Indians.

secular May 17, 2017 04:10pm

Good move by Modi. Why do India help China to make China rich?

Sher Jang Gilgit-Baltistan May 17, 2017 04:17pm

In the quest of gaining global relevancy, India has confined itself to play negative roles only to the chagrin of not only of its own people who are in a desperate need of finding new economic opportunities and Vistas of material prosperity such as CPEC but also its neighbors. Had it been a part of CPEC India would have been in a position to avail from the opportunities offered by the project. People in India too would have been able to reap the desired fruits of economic stability and a solid guarantee against abject poverty. It is rendering my hear apart when I imagine the poverty striken faces of majority of Indian people. Not able to do something for its people, India is putting them into the fire of extremism besides the fact that it is dreaming those things which are in reality not in its control.

adventurer May 17, 2017 04:20pm

The problem is for India to get connected has to pass through Pakistan. With both countries always at tenter hooks would mean border's closing even for the minutest incidents.
Therefore it is pointless getting in.
The hurdle is the Kashmir issue, have it cleared and then only a positive approach can take place.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 04:23pm

@vectra

Thank you so much for this billion-dollar information.

Did not know all this.

He can tell the difference between one per cent and 17 per cent.

Being poor, all my life, I lived in a house of debt--a house of credit cards, always searching for a better rate even if by one per cent.

At 17%, I would have been dead.

It would not have been nice--for me, at least.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 04:27pm

@Balaaji T

No, it does not!

Thanks.

Irad May 17, 2017 04:28pm

India's domestic household savings are high and with GST rolled out, first India needs to upgrade its own infrastructure before embarking on projects designed by others for India.

Saqib May 17, 2017 04:29pm

China-Pakistan covenant has isolated India in South Asia besides pushing it lonely wondering in the world. Even Nepal didn't obey India and participated in OBOR.

neal kluge May 17, 2017 04:38pm

just like the successful demonetization made little sense (at first)

Vijay May 17, 2017 04:45pm

China has its own policy "China First" so is India.

OBOR is all about china and nothing to do with India - its is all about Chinese money, Chinese labor but someone else debt.

If this suits Pakistan then go for it.

China is desperate to invest its extra cash and find work for its huge labor force. So, this plan is all about China's interest.

India is in a similar situation wherein they have to find work for its huge labor force. What does India gain if they enter a trade deal that doesn't employ its work force but instead end up with a huge debt.

India didn't say they are boycotting they are having an approach of wait​ and watch.

India did good here.

Shahid May 17, 2017 04:45pm

There is another level of connectivity, or lack of it, which must make sense. Why our ruling families and their inner circle of friends have little connectivity with people they rule that the public including parliament is kept ignorant about details of national business dealings abroad at mega scale that by its inherent nature has potential of adversely affecting every aspect of public life now and far into the future of the next generations.

Joe May 17, 2017 04:48pm

OBOR is one way to invest China's huge reserves and get a hefty 17% return. China gets to revitalize its manufacturing, find jobs for its population and sell more goods. Most of the benefit is for China while the participating country gets infrastructure development at a high cost.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 04:50pm

@Vijay

Makes sense!

Thank you.

Ashutosh May 17, 2017 04:51pm

India was absolutely right not to attend the conference in Beijing as CPEC, an extension of OBOR violates the territorial integrity and sovereignty of India and all done under the weak pretext of economic cooperation. The people arguing that even the US & Japan participated and India should have followed suit should know that it is India's sovereignty that's been compromised here and not theirs, so it is India's headache and they have got nothing to do with it. Can one possibly imagine China extending its OBOR into the South China Sea and not draw the wrath of the US and Japan while doing so? No, right. Also India was quite right and was only being observant when it stated that it has a high risk which "might" lead poor or low income economies into a debt trap. Myanmar, Srilanka, Laos, Zimbabwe etc are just are few where the traces of storm, which is now at our doorstep , can still be seen.

BAXAR May 17, 2017 04:55pm

@Balaaji T "Does the rate offered by China to Pakistan for CPEC seem fair to you." Who told you that China offered a loan to Pakistan at this rate? China doesn't offer loan or grants but only assistance. If there is a loan at this rate, it must be Pakistani leaders who have negotiated it, as they are master of seeking loans whatever the interest rate is.

PAATCHU May 17, 2017 04:56pm

Whatever stand INDiA takes, there is a concrete reason behind it. INDiA won't take hasty decisions !!.

javed May 17, 2017 04:58pm

Some things make sense only in hindsight. So do not worry about India's position today. You will see it in due time.

Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad May 17, 2017 05:08pm

Since day one of independence on August 15, 1947, the "movers and shakers" in New Delhi have been famous for making this type of senseless, useless, gutless, vision-less, eccentric, unilateral, maniac, self-centered and freaky decisions. Therefore, their latest decision to stay away from OBOR is neither surprising nor unexpected for many people across the globe.

ARMAAN May 17, 2017 05:09pm

Even EU has given OBOR a snub. Why is everyone keen on India joining in.?

GIRISH TARWANI May 17, 2017 05:21pm

@Syed F. Hussaini well said! Let Indian IT giants Infosys, TCS, Wipro open their campus in Pakistan!

Andy May 17, 2017 05:23pm

Market is already over dumped with cheap Chinese goods, no need to put another manufacturing units, unless they make good daal roti manufacturing units.

A big game that China is thinking to play will sink the local economies of many countries, boosting loans will not help young generations at all, give them accessibility to the education, jobs should be the priorities without affecting there sovereignty so they can decide what their future should be, not you.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 05:33pm

@GIRISH TARWANI

They can all be more creative.

Form and register umbrella corporations in Dubai, London, Frankfurt, NY or LA and open campus in Pakistan, as you suggest.

We have got to learn to go around barriers for the time being.

Thanks.

Chandra May 17, 2017 05:36pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad thanks for make me smile

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 05:39pm

@GIRISH TARWANI

Thanks.

People like you have to prompt Delhi to say what you are saying in a sweeter tone and with some lubricating offer.

Thanks, again.

Guruinvestor May 17, 2017 05:46pm

Time will tell!

Shahid May 17, 2017 05:52pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Why we cannot accept what others decide for themselves. After all it is their country, their own past, their own future, their own priorities and their own dynamics. Remember they have their own intellectuals to guide them. As long as they do not negatively impact us, we need to focus on improving our own house. And where and when they do negatively impact us, we must reciprocate firmly in a measured manner. Until then advising them is futile and useless exercise.

Chicken Changezi May 17, 2017 05:58pm

India itself is a big market to cater herself. With 2nd largest population in the world and a big market to tap. India needs its own manufacturing base for self consumption and also export. No country is self sufficient in the world. Everyone have to depend on impetus for either raw material or finished goods. Basically we don't have to make everything ourselves. Let Chinese make mobile covers and similar low end products but India should concentrate on high value complex engineering products. Like space technology, software and hardware. Future automobiles etc. We just don't need China to dictate or decide our future plans. We are proud of our people and have faith in our present leadership. So thanks but no thanks.

Satyam pandey May 17, 2017 06:03pm

@ZAKIR time will tell u brother

Ishan May 17, 2017 06:03pm

I am from india and first of all love to all pakistani people. I just want to admire this newspaper. It presents its views nicely and clearly. It does not resort to present bias views. Kudos to the team for such an outstanding newspaper.

Dev May 17, 2017 06:07pm

@ARMAAN Very true! EU does not want to be flooded with more Chinese cheap goods.

SG May 17, 2017 06:09pm

@PROUD PAKISTANI - And that is the whole point. Not just Sri Lanka, there are examples galore in other parts of the world, including places where sovereign countries had to give up huge parts of their land as a debt-repay measure. Why should countries take "loans" from China in order to further a Chinese initiative; it should come as grants! Better to keep away from it.

rg May 17, 2017 06:14pm

@Sania It is not rivalry...but genuine concerns. History repeats by itself, and Pakistan is in that trap already, making in the same history. You may not be suffering in your lifetime, but Pakistanis generations to come would suffer.

Mady May 17, 2017 06:19pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Being thoughtful you are, it seems you have solution for all the problems in the region.

Ramesh May 17, 2017 06:32pm

In Future, OBOR and CPEC truely become game changers as they are being promised, India will consider joining it based on merit and pay whatever cost associated with joining at later date.

Till then good luck to China, Pakistan and all the countries involved.

DEV May 17, 2017 06:43pm

Let wait and watch, future time will determine who made the good decision and who a foolish one. This is for India and Pakistan, as far as China is concerned, it surely has made a wise decision, one can easily make out that it is China that is gaining the most.

ANT May 17, 2017 06:51pm

The US and China attending by sending low level deligations doesn't mean they are going to be a part or are even interested in OBOR.

DW May 17, 2017 06:55pm

Even a simple trade deal with Chinese is seen as an invasion plan. India needs to man up

Bhai May 17, 2017 06:59pm

Thanks god, India's plan for achieving USD 900 billion export is intact even without OROB.

NARADA MUNI May 17, 2017 07:02pm

@Syed F. Hussaini : Is there a bank in India which would be willing to explore the prospects of lending us a billion dollars at fair rates?

Please wait a couple of months. All State Banks in India are being consolidated. State Bank of India will be the biggest Bank in the World in 2 months.

Amir May 17, 2017 07:04pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad If following policy of 'India First' is senseless for someone, then its their problem.

Pushkar May 17, 2017 07:16pm

I fail to understand how OBOR or CPEC will help India in any way at all.

MG May 17, 2017 07:19pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad What a silly joke doctor sahab.

Gazi May 17, 2017 07:21pm

Pretty simple. India sees no tangible benefits to be derived from OBOR except as a conduit for cheap Chinese goods to enter its market and expansion of Chinese influence in the IOR region. China is not interested in helping out India (or Pakistan for that matter).

LL May 17, 2017 07:28pm

@Pushkar ; I completely agree with you. India has nothing to gain because its geographic location. Chances are quite slim pakistan will ever give transportation rights to India through its territory

Lord of the obors May 17, 2017 07:32pm

Why is the world fretting already if India is not participating? They have their own 400billion dollar quadrilateral project and another 250billion dollar "Hundred Smart Cities " to complete first. Apart from other projects worth billions.

Azhar Hussain May 17, 2017 07:34pm

@Chicken Changezi Obviously you have no idea what Chinese are supplying to world. In the USA and the rest of the world, from cheap dollar stores to high end electronics, and heavy mechinery is all made in China. Only Indian products we see in Indian Pakistani Grocery stores and you know what that is right? Achar, Dal and ofcourse you guys are competing with us for the share of Masala products, where our Shaan Products are ahead of you guys. Until you Indians compete with them in those products, till then you belong in the third world and no amount of noise going to bring you guys at par with the Chinese. This is a fact, don't believe me, google and compare the two countries China and India and we will see how much noise you guys can make.

Syed F. Hussaini May 17, 2017 07:38pm

@NARADA MUNI

We can wait.

Thanks.

Ramesh May 17, 2017 08:01pm

China and India are members of many economic forumns such as SCO, BRICS. If China really wanted this to be a multinational project, it would have proposed this in these forumns where merits and demirits of such project would have been debated and common ground acceptable to all with joint leadership and finance framework would have worked out. What we can see now that this is a unilateral project with underlined Chinese ownership. This is what is India's problem. I am surprised on what grounds China asks India to join ?. China wants to be leader of asia but only democratic country can achieve this feet not a communist nation. History is witness to this fact.

sampath May 17, 2017 08:53pm

@Azhar Hussain. Given what you have written do you agree it makes sense for India not to open itself up even more and get swamped by chinese products in the name of OBOR. Indians are commenting on this article because the editorial is criticising India for not joining OBOR without highlighting what India lost by not doing so. Even though you may not be buying any Indian brand other than masala powder in grocery stores wherever you live India does export to the world annually 300 to 350 billion dollars of petroleum products, gems and jewellery, cars, motorcycles, engineering parts along with world class software. That is nothing to look down upon. I have not seen a single article highlighting what Pakistani entrepreneurs will be doing under CPEC. No details of joint ventures, finance, technology transfers etc.

Honest May 17, 2017 09:18pm

Srilanka fell into this debt trap..Now Hambantota port in Sri lanka is chinese owned. Pakistan is making the same mistake..debt trap. China attained what it wanted for over 20 years..access to vietnam, srilanka, pakistan and others through OBOR. The day when your children will curse you is not far away!!

Dr K May 17, 2017 10:42pm

@ROHIT PANDEY - Very well articulated, Rohit.

PKS May 17, 2017 10:55pm

Slow and steady wins the race. It may take another 10 years more. Do it yourself !!! Don't depend on others. Great example is Indian Space Organisation.. Instead of begging Russia and US the scientist themselves worked on Cryogenic engines from the scratch and finally made it with 10 years delay. Now it is competing with Top 5. Knowledge acquisition takes time. China started working hard 15 years before india.

gp65 May 17, 2017 11:45pm

"But the spokesperson has rejected that very connectivity through OBOR on the pretext of debt traps and financial responsibility — a bizarre form of diplomacy where India appears to believe that it is better placed to interpret the national interest of third countries and the sovereign decisions they are making than those countries themselves. "

Which 3rd countries sovereign decision has India impeded?

Riaz May 18, 2017 12:28am

@Mukesh dutt Because they can't

Adil May 18, 2017 12:58am

India has learned from its past experiences with English establishing East India company and eventually ruling the country. China has similar imperialist intentions. You have to go and see China's domination in East and Central Africa. They are building roads and rail system with their money, their labor and siphoning off vast amounts of natural resources. China is no saint and India sees thru this and is one country that can stop Chinese agenda in the region.

Joe May 18, 2017 01:05am

It is pretty clear that China desperately wants India to join OBOR. China envoy even suggested renaming CPEC to China-India-Pak corridor. China has now convinced Sharif also that India needs to be part of OBOR. Now the question is what concessions both China and Pak will offer? Will it be Kashmir settlement on status-quo lines? NSG support by China. India will have to evaluate if any of these concessions will be worth it joining the project.

JAY JOLLY May 18, 2017 02:35am

Why is China sinking one trillion dollars in the Belt and Road Project? What is the motivation behind this grand design?

Rao May 18, 2017 02:38am

OBOR will be a one way street for trucks and freight trains laden with Chineses made goods in a one way street!

ANWAR May 18, 2017 03:37am

As a Pakistani I fail to understand that when so many western nations are willing to participate in OBOR initiative why all the funding for the projects is coming from China? Why are western banks not participating in this? DO India & Western Banks know something we don't know? or they have been deliberately kept out.

patel, L.A. uSa May 18, 2017 03:51am

Indians on a whole do not want to be part of this Chinese projects. They know they can do better with west cooperation and will susceed economically without anyone's interference.

ROHIT PANDEY May 18, 2017 04:06am

@CHARU It was interesting to read what the Communist Pary mouthpiece had to say about Narendra Modi and India's new very proactive stances.

Thanks for putting it up here.:)

vorshal May 18, 2017 04:38am

Economically, it may not make sense to miss this trade opportunity. There are certainly some points against the OBOR. But I would not like to be a judge of what GOI thinktank is up to.

Akil Akhtar May 18, 2017 06:20am

Indians will not take part even if it means a big loss as it will be an acceptance of CPEC...

Santosh May 18, 2017 06:39am

Ok, let's see what Time does to OBOR, EPEC, and India's wise decision. Peace!

world peace May 18, 2017 07:25am

CPEC or OBOR... Its made in China after all..

CRICKET LOVER May 18, 2017 08:01am

@boss I like your emptiness of mind, day dreaming and chaotic thinking.

amarendra May 18, 2017 08:34am

@Syed F. Hussaini Indian Govt is giving loans to their neighbors at 2-3% interest rate .

Shubham May 18, 2017 08:41am

@Azhar Hussain 15 year ago pakistan say same thing about usa. we know the result.Now u say same thing about chinies. pls don't talk emotional talk logicals & to seek truth see 'numbers of data' because numbers never lie but people allways lie.

kevin May 18, 2017 09:24am

@Azhar Hussain Export is not our priority. Why ? We have 1.3 billion people and why should we export. What ever making is enough for our consumption. Do you know Indias economy is growing 7.5 % which is highest in the world. Because our local market is developing very fast and at present we are emphasizing domestic market and not export. Another thing we don't want to play like China who want global aspiration. For your information you come to UAE, Oman, qatar and many middle east countries and see many Indian products in fact you can see our TATA and Leyland is running in the road.

Anuj May 18, 2017 10:38am

This type of discussion would have happened long ago too...see where is pakistan today and India...after years we will again see...our politicians r not fool ..we trust them

Kingshuk May 18, 2017 10:55am

Neither Pakistan nor India will gain by OBOR but China will be extremely benifitted economically as well as poilitically. Oakistan gradually will be under the direct controll of China. India has rightly shown its view.

Ram May 18, 2017 11:00am

"India should reconsider its stance on OBOR". NO NEED.

Sajida May 18, 2017 11:22am

India's government is not acting rationally, so why expect rationality with OBOR?

JAVED May 18, 2017 03:25pm

There is time still. OBOR will not be completed tomorrow. There is no haste. Let the details come out, lets see how other countries cope up with the conditions.

India can always join or leave a project. Perhaps we are awaiting a better deal and for China to reverse its stubbornness on another matters.

Chachchilmoo May 18, 2017 09:28pm

@ANWAR You are right on the dot. Western countries were there just to find out what it is, not participating.

Chachchilmoo May 18, 2017 10:00pm

@Azhar Hussain I am in the spice business. MDH vs Shaan, MDH beats Shaan 10 to 1. Even MTR beats Shaan.

khan May 19, 2017 02:02am

@Mukesh dutt seems like India has no value of regional interest they think for their own as far as cpec is consider they tried to thwart the cpec many times through spies like yadav . Pakistan is building bilateral relations with many countries as shown at OBOR or through CPEC , so my question is what about india as they were claiming that we will cut down the relations of Pakistan with other countries?

sense May 19, 2017 04:23am

OBOR not business, family party to region OBOR is not business at all and this is china -pak family remember they are Iron brothers and friends higher than Himalayas and deeper than Indian ocean treating the regional people with connectivity

so failure or profit loss doesnt account it is to celebrate their friendship heartly wishes for pak :-)

Akil Akhtar May 19, 2017 08:53am

Who cares if they don't...

Atnakuso May 19, 2017 10:15am

Each country should do what is in its national interest. For Pakistan CPEC is most likely in its national interest, for India maybe not. India is still touchy about Greeks bearing gifts after the experience of East India company. There is bound to be more skepticism and scrutiny there and also fear. I wish both countries the best. Hopefully they will continue to work for the improvement of the lives of their own citizens.

Unique-Khan May 19, 2017 10:17am

India should have attend the meeting even if they didn't want to join OBOR. In most of the comments, people are mixing OBOR and CPEC, CPEC is only between Pakistan and China so the terms depends upon these two countries but if India opted to join OBOR, they could have negotiate the terms. But India totally rejected it which shows the immaturity of Indian government.

Li-En-Ja May 19, 2017 11:46am

I think Pakistan should also act on Iran-Pakistan-India oil pipeline project. Besides Pakistan should also proactively allow bilateral trade route to India and Afghanistan. This will help Pakistan to earn a lot of foreign exchange as toll or royalty. Pakistan can also get Oil from Iran through the same Pipe line which will reduce transportation costs substantially. India had given MoF status to Pakistan long back. Pakistan can reciprocate and give MoF to India and develop bilateral trade. When we all are criticising India for not just participating in OBOR meet which they can do any time in future also. We ourselves not doing enough in bilateral trade which can help Pakistan substantially.

indian muslim May 19, 2017 11:50am

CPEC is colonisation of pakistan eventually by china

Karunakar May 19, 2017 01:12pm

india can join once the infrastructure is up and running without investing anything. what is the hurry.

ajay May 19, 2017 01:57pm

China's richest man Wang Jianlin is already investing $10 Bn Industrial Park in Haryana even without OBOR or CPEC. 7 other Chinese companies are also investing in Haryana. Tell me one good reason to join OBOR.

hem pant May 19, 2017 02:07pm

Only time will tell that OBOR project will economically benefit Pakistan.Certainly it will benefit China

Zulkifal ahmed May 19, 2017 04:03pm

Relations between Pakistan and China are based on historical and cultural linkages and the deep-rooted connections between the two nations which have grown stronger with the passage of time. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent visit to China for the One Belt, One Road (OBOR) Summit, which is aimed at regional development through cooperation, is another hallmark in the bilateral relations. In 2013, Chinese President Xi Jinping launched the ‘Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road’ initiative; the Belt and Road Forum (BRF) is its key component. Pak-China cooperation strong at OBOR summit: What is India missing? https://www.globalvillagespace.com/pak-china-cooperation-strong-obor-summit-india-missing/

karven May 19, 2017 05:04pm

As we have 2 sides of the coin “Arabian sea” and “Bay of Bengal” to do trade we are not much worried about this project and Feel China doesn’t have this advantage…”LOL” and they are having difficulties doing trade where they don’t have connectivity and that’s the reason they have built an island to control the trade in the future, so that countries start buying Chinese goods….VERY CHEAP” and Very proud of our PM to ignore this.

Jay May 19, 2017 05:05pm

India is smart. What happened when Pakistan agreed to allow US to use its land and air bases? Pakistan got badly hit by terrorism. Now we are doing the same mistake. This time , we are giving away our land not against terror but something similar to East India Company during the British rule. Intellectuals in Economics should be brought in to discuss this deal !!

Ravi May 19, 2017 06:07pm

In india, except for first few projects in power sector, chinese labourers were not allowed. All were constructed by indian contractors with supervision from chinese.

Your Friend May 20, 2017 12:39am

Only Question

Who will ultimately pay the Loans? Who will Benefit Most? A Road is a Two Way Street - whoever has goods to export to other will benefit. What can go the other way?

Your Friend May 20, 2017 12:42am

@Zulkifal ahmed You were Indian 70 years back?

What happened to that relationship?

There are No Friends Relationships between countries... Just Interests... Safeguard Yours that is all.

Your Friend May 20, 2017 12:45am

@Li-En-Ja Chinese royalty from use of the OBOR is doubtful.

Indian and Afghan Royalty for use of Pakistani Roads is for sure.

Your Friend May 20, 2017 12:46am

@sense Agree !!!

Your Friend May 20, 2017 12:47am

@Unique-Khan What Terms?

Contracts will go to Chinese Cos...

Loans will need to be repaid to Chinese Banks...

Most Goods moved will be made in China.... Visit Dragon Mart Dubai and you will see why....

indian May 20, 2017 02:17pm

@Zulkifal ahmed First of all there is little to no people to people contact between pakistan and china.India doesnt need china money in infrastructure , electricity , dams or highways or rivers like Pakistan.We have our own sagarmala (river-linking),expess speedways(150-200kmph highways),Solar power(175 GW target),Dams, Port development projects etc underway and we have the money for development schemes. So the only thing that China will do in Subcontinent is produce its own cheap products , offer deep debt loans , overtake corporations and have colonial sort of plans.

indian May 20, 2017 02:18pm

@Zulkifal ahmed If successful not only Pakistan but India wont be able to compete with cheap production of China.Therefore our concern is more than sufficient than the territorial dispute .Our concern is our economic prosperity and stability.China policies failed in singapore , vietnam , sri lanka.Right now its exploiting African poor countries and Pakistan. So beware of its policies and ask questions about it from your politicians as most of them are businessman.Because if not both chinese and world bank and IMF loans will eat you up.

indian May 20, 2017 02:19pm

@Unique-Khan First of all there is little to no people to people contact between pakistan and china.India doesnt need china money in infrastructure , electricity , dams or highways or rivers like Pakistan.We have our own sagarmala (river-linking),expess speedways(150-200kmph highways),Solar power(175 GW target),Dams, Port development projects etc underway and we have the money for development schemes. So the only thing that China will do in Subcontinent is produce its own cheap products , offer deep debt loans , overtake corporations and have colonial sort of plans.If successful not only Pakistan but India wont be able to compete with cheap production of China.Therefore our concern is more than sufficient than the territorial dispute .Our concern is our economic prosperity and stability

indian May 20, 2017 02:19pm

@Unique-Khan .China policies failed in singapore , vietnam , sri lanka.Right now its exploiting African poor countries and Pakistan. So beware of its policies and ask questions about it from your politicians as most of them are businessman.Because if not both chinese and world bank and IMF loans will eat you up.

thampi May 20, 2017 02:22pm

Anyone who wants the world to return to single super power domination must be ignorant of the destructive legacy of colonialism whether European of American. Anyone who believes that the Han are promoting this project out of altruistic motives knows very little about rapacious history of the Middle Kingdom.

Bonito May 20, 2017 07:09pm

@ZAKIR : If you were serious about business, can you please tell the reasons why Pakistan did not allow IPI or TAPI to be implemented ? Neither it did access to Afghan via roads, why?