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The Russian foreign ministry on Tuesday rubbished Pakistani media reports about 'secret negotiations' between the two countries regarding cooperation on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).
Reports circulating last week claimed that the Russian spy chief had made a visit to Pakistan in order to inspect the Gwadar port.
The reports alleged that Pakistan had formally authorised Russia to join the $46bn CPEC after the head of Russian intelligence requested to join the project.
"The Pakistani media reports about secret negotiations between Russia and Pakistan on the implementation of projects as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) are not true to the facts," Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation said in a press release.
Russia denied holding discussions with Pakistan on the possibility of joining the project.
"Moscow is not discussing the possibility of joining this project [CPEC] with Islamabad," the Russian foreign ministry said.
"Russia-Pakistan trade and economic cooperation has its own inherent value, and we intend to strengthen it," it said, adding, "Russian companies are implementing business projects in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, including the planned construction of the North-South gas pipeline from Karachi to Lahore, on a bilateral basis."
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Nov 29, 2016 04:21pm
Yeah sure, whatever you say
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Nov 29, 2016 04:30pm
Russia is part of the India led corridor called North-South International corridor that runs from Mumbai-Chabahar- Turkeministan-Russia. Why will it join CPEC when its already a part of a rival corridor? That too CPEC will be very long 5 country route for Russia.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:34pm
Russians here in Pk interested in setting up a power project under CPEC! Obviously such ventures will complicate relations with India.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:37pm
Can't trust anyone now a days especially super powers.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:39pm
Russian are one eastablishing international north south transport corridor connecting over 40 nation starting from Mumbai India then Iran Turkmenistan ,central Asia then Eastern Europe and Russia .why do even need cpec. go check map of Asia everything will be crystal clear
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Nov 29, 2016 04:45pm
Denial means something is definitely going behind the curtains it is always the best not to accept until something concrete comes out ..... If Russia needed Gwadar in seventies she still needs it .... just wait and watch
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Nov 29, 2016 04:54pm
Why do the politicians mislead the common man. Hope 8mran Khan comes to power. At least he has the guts to speak as it is and be honest.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:56pm
@ali Well said when we see the map of Asia few things pop up very clearly that easiest and only feasible access from India to Europe is via Pakistan which India is not ready to accept and while for Pakistan there are many other options available like via Iran which are well established and all feasible even via Afghanistan though easy but not so feasible due to hostile relationship between two countries. Time can change but geographic realities remain same Even if Afghanistan is not ready to be part even then Pakistan has options to be connected to central Asia via Iran or China. India has to face this reality that it can not be integrated to region without Pakistan obviously you cans survive alone and trade via SEA
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Nov 29, 2016 04:56pm
What an embarrassment. Our media should act mature.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:57pm
It also shows how true is any statement of pak government.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:58pm
@Ashfaq then wait SIR for PTI to come in POWER I am astonished the way you brought IK in this discussion I wish you all the best
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Nov 29, 2016 05:03pm
Friends are always welcome to join the forward march of Pakistan's prosperity & development...
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Nov 29, 2016 05:05pm
@Nomi Goraya
Bhai who told you Russia needs Gwadar in seventies. Same access to warm water theory.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:11pm
We will invite everyone except India. Go find your own route to prosperity
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Nov 29, 2016 05:15pm
@Salim Khan Bro please check your facts, there is no progress on Chabahar port in Iran. Instead Iranian President asked to be part of CPEC during meeting with NS. You can not connect to west and north by land until you normalize relations with Pakistan and settle old issues.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:15pm
@Joe look my dear it is not just warm water theory only it was the theory of influence and control between USA and USSR now Russia. Same is true again now at that time Pakistan was in American camp but now situation and India in USSR so Pakistan resisted influence of USSR in Afghanistan now situation is other way round. Economic integration is not just roads and routs and ports it is more than that it is relationship between the countries based on trust coupled with trade
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Nov 29, 2016 05:16pm
@ali We never heard about this Russian initiative as there is no work on ground. Connecting India by sea ports of India and Iran is risky business. You know risk of travelling by sea sometime ship doesn't reach destination.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:20pm
@Nomi Goraya If they say they don't need this route now we should accept it as their decision. After few years when CPEC and all road and rail routes will be functional we will see how things develop. Along with China, Gwadar will be very important port for Russians too if they want to use it
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Nov 29, 2016 05:20pm
"Russia-Pakistan trade and economic cooperation has its own inherent value, and we intend to strengthen it,"
Read between the lines - the message is clear.
There is no denial of Russian joining CPEC. Why should there be? The denial is of 'secret negotiations'. Got it?
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Nov 29, 2016 05:30pm
The geopolitical need demands that at least China, Iran, Pakistan and Russia form a common axis for the Asian interests, while India has chosen the West agaisnt them.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:29pm
Another propaganda unveiled!!!
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Nov 29, 2016 05:29pm
What is secret about any secret negotiations between Russia and Pakistan on the implementation of projects as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, if it is known to the media and instantly flashed all around?
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Nov 29, 2016 05:32pm
What was was the source of this misleading story that captured the lead and super lead in the print media?
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Nov 29, 2016 05:35pm
In Pakistan rumors sometime take form of a authentic news. Once refuted, people cannot accept the truth. Media has a serious responsibility to keep the facts straight. Hearsay should never become the news.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:44pm
Denial is the first form of Acceptance....There's no smoke without a fire!
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Nov 29, 2016 05:45pm
cpec will be a game changer where as the capacity of Karachi port was under utilised to the extent of 45 % in the last year.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:45pm
@Nagi 90% of world trade occurs by sea.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:48pm
Strange people comment without reading complete article. Yes Russia don't want to be a part of CPEC because they are intend to make RPEC.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:53pm
@ali , if Russia is not interested that's fine. All the fesibilities were made China and Pakistan as focus points any other countries after that is a bonus. The name of this project, is, China Pakistan Economic Corridor for a reason.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:54pm
@Nomi Goraya But Pakistan needs to produce something first before thinking about export. You can have a road which China will use but how about making something in Pakistan which the world will want
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Nov 29, 2016 05:57pm
@Zahid Khan first show some signs of Prosperity. Hope CPEC helps Pak
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Nov 29, 2016 05:57pm
@Nagi but sea is always cheaper than road!!! Thats the reason more than 70% of world trade happens via sea
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Nov 29, 2016 05:59pm
@alikhan I second your opinion
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Nov 29, 2016 06:02pm
Why are people not ready to accept Russia's official statement? If they dont want to be part of CPEC, then be it. Pakistan will become. World leader with CPEC and these Russians, Chinese and even Koreans and Japanese will be left far behind.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:08pm
"Russia Pak trade & economic cooperation has its own inherent value,and we are going to strengthen it"that inherent value if stretched will find Gwadar well placed in it.It was Soviet Russia inherent obsession to reach warm waters of Arabian Sea,via Afghanistan & Pakistan,that dream now realised,and Russian products will find short cut route crossing CAS Afghanistan,Pakistan,to ME & Africa. Russia did not like the way of hype created by certain media,about Russian participating in CPEC project which obviously a bilateral project by & between Pak & China,Russia shall avail facilities as 'inherent customer' not as partner.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:07pm
Another cheap publicity stunt or leak of this government gone wrong.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:10pm
Who is starting such rumors about friendship with Russia in the media?. First, it was news that we are getting SU35 jets which was denied by Russia. Now Russia denies intention to join CPEC.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:09pm
Russia will never let down India. Our media should investigate their report before publishing it.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:18pm
@ali .Yes I have checked the map & distance,the route you say is 7000 km,the route Gwadar to Russia is 5155 km. Please read and research before commenting in our precious paper.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:16pm
Everyone needs the subcontinent. The subcontinent includes Pakistan. It is not CPEC that is making Pakistan relevant. It's the other way round. CPEC is just one of the manifestations of Pakistan's relevance. This is what Russia says. It may have other projects in mind. Why the press release was so precise? Maybe to deny CPEC part only, or secret part only, or the joining part only, or the Pakistan part only. Maybe the negotiation are with China.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:22pm
You only deny, when you are actually doing it. Who can ignore CPEC, the route from where the journey to the world starts.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:26pm
@Salim Khan No one will join chabbar as it is unfeasible, costly and part of international route. China is the worlds industry and it is the richest country on earth. India is the poorest country on earth. To chose, a no brainer.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:27pm
@OSO "Super powers cannot be trusted" you found that out recently? In International Politics nobody can be trusted.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:26pm
@Nomi Goraya which world do you live
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Nov 29, 2016 06:27pm
@Joe Soviet union is no more, because of Pakistan. We demise unions who misbehave with us.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:28pm
Those who says chabahar route is not feasible for India should know that 90% of world trade occur via sea route because it's 70% cheaper than land route. One more benefit of choosing chabahar route for entry in central Asia is-it goes through Iran which is peaceful unlike parts of Pakistan or Afghanistan which is insecure for trade.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:51pm
Kind of politics being played on CPEC will surely turn it into a disaster. Pakistan should develop this route first silently .
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Nov 29, 2016 06:52pm
@subh " but sea is always cheaper than road!!!". You mean that trade between India & Kazakhstan will be cheaper by sea. Same between US & Canada, Pakistan & Afghanistan..........
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Nov 29, 2016 06:57pm
This is not the first time Pakistan has done it. I don't understand what is the reason to do it in this manner that they name a country who will be denying that it is not true. Many times China has to deny news which Pakistan try to involve them. Probably Pak. Has no foreign minister who knows the culture and norms of foreign affairs. Anyway it's insulting, shameful and a slap on Pakistan rulers face. Stop it and don't spoil nation's name. Political leadership has no right to spoil Pakistan's ordinary people feeling. No one has a right to do it. If there is any truth in these stories no need to make it public till matters are completely solved.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:00pm
@LCA tejus
What you are saying was true in the past. Now sea route is slowly getting worse especially for certain commodities.
Terror attacks in Pakistan has shown downward trend. Otherwise Iran and Afganistan would not have evinced interest in CPEC which is also very important for Pakistan to surrender or compromise it's own interest to the threat of the terrorist.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:02pm
This has not been denied explicitly by the Russians, all they are saying is that they are not discussing this with Pakistan. I am not an expert, so don't know how much value add CPEC brings in for the Russians. Perhaps they need a back-up route.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:15pm
What's wrong if more countries join project and integrate economies. This is best way to move in right direction. Russia helped to construct Pakistan Steel Mills a vital project for basic material. There is no rival project to CPEC it's just our wrong way of thinking
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Nov 29, 2016 07:21pm
Pakistan is moving connecting with middle est which is a troublesome area
while india is connecting with far east thru bangla desh Myanmar Thailand
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Nov 29, 2016 07:41pm
We Pakistanis believe what we want to believe. No matter whatever the truth or facts are is, we are going to move our feet an inch.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:43pm
The hype surrounding CPEC is so over blown that you would think the entire world is drooling with envy, and eager to be on the good side of Pakistan and China to be able to get a piece of the pie. More so than anyone was eager to see the reopening of the Panama and Suez Canals that are the maritime corridors between Asia/Middle East, and the North America/ Pacific regions.
Not even near! Anyone dreaming of CPEC transforming Pakistan into Dubai in the next decade is living in a fantasy land.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:44pm
@Salim Khan My dear if you had paid attention to your teacher during the geography class you would have known that in order to use CPEC Russia does not have to cross 5 countries. they share a huge border with China and China is our next door. so its just a matter of 1 mutual friend and thats no problem So far as the Chah Bahar route is concerned it can never match the benefits offered by cpec because it saves plenty of time and the location of gwadar port is such that distance to the strategic ports in the gulf and else where are minimal. Moreover the main mode of transportation is ocean vessel for which the draft is the deepest at gwadar. I'm sure with the passage of time the turn around time for each vessel will also get reduced. so CPEC is more than an ideal project.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:45pm
@Nomi Goraya I agree with you Nomi that whenever there is a strong denial of a thing there is something that says Yeps its true.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:50pm
@Salim Khan ..... if CPEC comes to reality, India, Russia and Iran will all know that Chabahar will be total failure and totally impractical. There "must" have been secret negotiations between Pakistan and Russia. Since media spilled it out, Russians "had" to issue such a statement. Everyone wants to play safe. Well if Iran thinks Chabahar will be a reality, why is it interested in joining CPEC? ?????
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Nov 29, 2016 08:01pm
@Salim Khan there are many reasons for why of to which the main reason is to establish strong relations with China and Pakistan as India has already shifted towards US and Russia knows it very well.
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Nov 29, 2016 08:17pm
Russia has better relations with Iran. Moreover Russia is more interested in Europe and turkey for trade routes than chahbahar or gawadar.
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Nov 29, 2016 08:21pm
Nothing secret, its open
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Nov 29, 2016 08:40pm
I dont know why people are becoming selfish and narrow minded.Let both ports, gwadar and chabahar, develop. More people will get job and there will be increase in trade. Healthy competition is Always good.
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Nov 29, 2016 09:10pm
@alikhan indeed!!
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Nov 29, 2016 09:11pm
Clearly Russia does not want to anger India as lot of defence deals are in the offing.
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Nov 29, 2016 09:16pm
@zak The Indian GDP IS 1.8777 TRILLION , We are the worlds 7th largest economy, There are 84 Indians in the Forbes list of Richest Billionaires , and you call India a poor country . Hats off too you .
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Nov 29, 2016 09:24pm
@ali yeah good analysis
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Nov 29, 2016 09:30pm
If the mighty Russia is denying this sensitive news item then whose fault is it?
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Nov 29, 2016 09:34pm
@ZAK version 2.3
one huge cont ship can carry hundreds of containers & you saying sea route is worst
what about the pollution breakdown etc
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Nov 29, 2016 09:39pm
@Zahid Khan
who cares make your self happy in believing that a transit road can solve all your problems
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Nov 29, 2016 09:41pm
@abida masood
shows pak desparation to get friends
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Nov 29, 2016 09:50pm
Is the Pakistani Media going to take some stand on this issue?
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Nov 29, 2016 09:54pm
Pakistan has nothing to give russia as far as economy is concerned.
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Nov 29, 2016 09:59pm
@ali India can not be connected to any corridor as all corridors to Central Asia and West Asia runs via Pakistan. Using shipping and sea transport is not a corridor.
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Nov 29, 2016 10:07pm
@Salim Khan must keep own govt behaviour towards Russia & Iran,they offered to activate PSM,laying of Iran-Pak gas pipeline,gas/oil exploration but USA twisting arm of sou-do democracy
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Nov 29, 2016 10:28pm
Is it the same Russian minister that told Indians that they would not sell weapons to Pakistan, and if they do, then Indians could spit on his face??
Russia wants access to warm waters and they only way is through CPEC.
I think Pakistan should grant Russia and China a naval base in Gwadar to sweeten the pot :-)
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Nov 29, 2016 10:56pm
@Ash Man that's so wrong. Russia is looking towards easy to promote trade and commerce.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:09pm
These media stories sound like the Indian version of the 'surgical strikes'!
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Nov 29, 2016 11:10pm
Start searching for just one, you will get them in thousands here.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:25pm
Suez Canal hasn't changed anything in Egypt. so you think so call CPEC is more important than Suez. Pakistani leadership, media and people are best to create hypes. it would be same Pakistan even after 20 years.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:35pm
So what exactly was the head of Russian intelligence doing in Gawadar?
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Nov 29, 2016 11:48pm
@Zahid Khan , India is establishing new trade route through Mars and Moon, because she can not accept the reality of Pakistan.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:56pm
Lot of funny theories
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Nov 30, 2016 12:13am
@jaydeep lol. Ambani and Adhani rich means you are rich.
India has more poor people than the entire African continent.
Deal with the truth.
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Nov 30, 2016 12:42am
Wouldn't be secret anymore ,if everyone gets to know ,would it ? :) Denial means something is definitely going behind the curtains it is always the best not to accept until something concrete comes out
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Nov 30, 2016 12:47am
Super powers,usually issue denials,when speculations and rumors are doing a round in the media to probe" what's up " and they don't want to let the Cat out of the bag ,yet ?
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Nov 30, 2016 01:04am
@sana-1 Russia is not a politician as like say.
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Nov 30, 2016 01:51am
@Nagi, that is very strange argument. If sea trade is so risky, how will Gwadar (a sea port) be a success? Besides that the most of the world trade (including Chinese) happens through sea.
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Nov 30, 2016 02:26am
@Nomi Goraya .... Russia would need Gwadar Port only for shipping Pakistan oil or military equipment.
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Nov 30, 2016 02:43am
Pakistan will be a $20 billion economy working 1 year of CPEC
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Nov 30, 2016 02:57am
Oops! The great ingenious Pakistani marketing bluff has been called out?!!?
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Nov 30, 2016 02:59am
@subh ... The Pakistani public are dreamers. That is why it seems nothing in Pakistan is ever accomplished without help.
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Nov 30, 2016 03:28am
@Zahid Khan every europen nation had blocked uk in 17th and 18th century.doest it stopped from becoming superpower?
Youpeople think cpec is some sort of miraculus medicine.if suez cannal was not able to bring prosperity, wat , makes you think cpec , that too a transist route ,situated at cross roads of wartorn countries, unlike singapore whis is situated at east asian tiger countries and china , a breaktrough?
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Nov 30, 2016 06:04am
ZAK knows everything of international politics, science & technology and also ancient history, he must be a genius
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Nov 30, 2016 07:52am
@Nomi Goraya Your comment makes a lot of sense but only time will tell.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:56am
Pakitan should avail every opportunity to bring everlasting prosperity.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:02am
@jaydeep Perfect Answer.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:20am
Looks like rumors were fed by PML N govt. to gain popularity and divert attention from Panama leaks.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:25am
After CPEC, pakistan will be the world's biggest superpower. US and Russia beg for pakistan for its support in International Affairs. Wait and watch it.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:39am
The world doesn't revolve around CPEC.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:40am
India is sitting on USA lap and is loosing Russia.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:46am
@Nomi Goraya pakistan is taking too much of credit of its location.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:51am
Russia want to create two economic zones, first is called North-South corridor which is not connecting Moscow to Mumbai through rail, road and water ways. It passes from central asian countries and then through Indian Arabian sea to reach Mumbai.
Another high aspired project is to develop a gas pipelines through China to enter India. This project is well on track and should be in reality in couple of months.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:00am
I think the news is about cpec (pak china ) and Russia so plz to Indian readers no concern with india
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Nov 30, 2016 09:05am
@Salim Khan cuz its more cost effective i guess
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Nov 30, 2016 09:21am
This means you are actually negotiating.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:22am
@Zahid Khan who needs your route India will make its own route
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Nov 30, 2016 09:27am
@Nagi Shipping is cheapest.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:32am
@Nagi Seventy percent of world commerce is done through sea which is also the cheapest.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:32am
@Nagi Russia has common border with Chona, why would they need CPEC.
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Nov 30, 2016 11:24am
Please think about smart cities along with cpec industrial zones India is already working on more then 20 smart cities
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Nov 30, 2016 12:45pm
This seems to be a case of some misunderstanding somewhere with no one at fault. But in fact it may be added here that since now we have no ideological differences with Russia, we had better try to develop friendly relations with this industrially advanced country as we are situated in close proximity to each other. In fact both our countries can derive great many mutually strategic advantages should we succeed in forging such friendly relationship.
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Nov 30, 2016 12:46pm
@Salim good satire....
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Nov 30, 2016 01:14pm
@Rehman nope, i would rather say that surgical strikes were real if we see the crediblity of information circulated in pakistan
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Nov 30, 2016 01:29pm
@Maamu Jaan nice joke
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Nov 30, 2016 02:31pm
@zak haha,,if you calling one of the biggest economy with top 10 gdp growth country this..I can understand is something missing..fact and logic.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:45pm
what will Pakistan export from the gwadar port? dont understand how CPEC is going to bring instant relief for all of Pakistan's problems...
its like you open a cinema theatre in your village and plan to make money by playing shows that depends on the nearby towns, because the people of the village dont visit the cinema hall...
now if you say that one nearby town is going to miss all the fun just because you would not let them, the loss is not the towns man but your village's...
there are so many ways/modes to do trade...but to do trade you need to be producing something...
sorry people i dont want to pop your bubble...it just doesnt logically fit to solve all of Pakistan's problems...but i sincerely hope it would
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Nov 30, 2016 10:42pm
Need to look at this as a business transaction first, strategic Geo-politics next.
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Nov 30, 2016 11:56pm
@Nomi Goraya look at the map again. Shortest route for Europe for India is. By sea to Iran and then up north on the West of Caspian sea. Pakistan and Afghanistan are both not on the path!! Sea is cheaper than land.
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Dec 01, 2016 12:22am
No need for secret talks,come on join it.Russians are welcome.
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Dec 01, 2016 07:34am
Nothing wrong with it as long as Pakistan plays its card intelligently.
Russia can be a good partner for Pakistan.
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Dec 01, 2016 09:17am
Has it come to this now? Pakistanis need validation that all is not gloom and doom. One understands this. But for heaven's sake, it is essential to be informed and realistic about one's global standing. This kind of delusion is dangerous for the future of any country.
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Dec 01, 2016 10:01am
@Desi Dimag "The world doesn't revolve around CPEC"
Sounds simple enough, but Pakistan has always had an inflated view of its own importance since the time Jinnah thought the world will woo the nascent nation only due to its self-declared "geographical importance". Later when the US hired Zia as its hired gun, this delusion got even stronger. CPEC and the fantasy of the riches it will bring is only the continuation of this mindset. The truth is, no nation has ever got prosperous just by sitting on an imaginary route conjured up by someone else. Prosperity requires production of goods and services desired by others. Everything else is fantasy.
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Dec 01, 2016 10:06am
@Nadim "ZAK knows everything of international politics, science & technology and also ancient history, he must be a genius"
Not to forget economics and international finance, weapons, society and even popular entertainment. HE is truly Master of all He Surveys.
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Dec 01, 2016 10:30am
@Ahmed bin Babar As and when it happens?!
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Dec 01, 2016 10:54am
@Sameer Nobody buys Russian primitive power plants
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Dec 01, 2016 10:53am
@Nomi Goraya wishful thinking,, keep it up...
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Dec 01, 2016 12:06pm
@Troll Let me know one thing. if pak not able to utilize karachi port efficiently then how will it use Gwadar better? Makes sense?
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Dec 01, 2016 03:30pm
@jaydeep how many people are below poverty??? give the answer in millions so no hassle for the readers to worry about large number of digits
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Dec 01, 2016 03:53pm
South Asia geopolitical situation has changed. Russians and Chinese know that over the last few years India is siding west in particular USA. Its trade and military deals have upset Russians and Chinese. India is now relying more on west for its future business and therefore will always be under USA dominance and influence. on the other hand nexus of Pakistan china and Russia has become a reality. Despite Indian objections Russia went ahead and held joint military exercises with Pakistan which I think was more serious then Russians joining the CPEC. I can see India being isolated by its neighbors. World knows CPEC wil be a game changer and it's now down to India to try and be part of it rather an obstacle.
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Dec 01, 2016 07:27pm
@Desi Dimag "The world doesn't revolve around CPEC." CPEC revolves around the world's future. This is what matters. You won't be wasting your time about every news regarding CPEC otherwise.
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