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MAKKAH: Saudi King Salman said Tuesday the kingdom rejected any attempt to play politics with Haj, the annual pilgrimage which has added to tensions between Riyadh and Tehran.
For the first time in nearly three decades, Iran's 64,000 pilgrims are not attending the Haj in Saudi Arabia after the two regional rivals failed to agree on security and logistics.
Among its concerns, Riyadh said Tehran had demanded the right to organise demonstrations.
“The kingdom categorically rejects that the Haj serves any political purpose,” Salman, 80, said in a brief address to international VIPs attending the pilgrimage.
Tehran had accused Riyadh of “blocking the path leading to Allah.”
Among the contentious issues was security after last year's Haj stampede which, according to foreign officials, killed roughly 2,300 people.
Iran reported the largest number of victims, at 464.
Just days before this year's Haj, which began on Saturday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei questioned Saudi Arabia's right to manage Islam's holiest sites.
He called the Saudi ruling family “puny Satans” who had politicised the pilgrimage. Khamenei also said Saudi authorities “murdered “the stampede victims.
His claims led to mutual accusations throughout last week.
Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti Abdulaziz al-Sheikh retaliated by telling a newspaper that Iranians “are not Muslims”.
The six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council, of which Saudi Arabia is the most powerful member, accused Iran of “a desperate attempt to politicise” the Haj and said Khamenei's remarks were offensive.
More than 1.8 million faithful from around the world have been attending the annual pilgrimage which officially ends on Thursday.
“Serving the guests of God is an honour for us,” Salman told the VIP delegates.
Saudi Arabia had said Iranians were still welcome at the Haj if they came from another country. The Haj ministry's spokesman said “a number” who held other passports were in attendance.
He was not more specific.
Saudi Arabia and Iran have no diplomatic relations and are at odds over a number of regional issues including the wars in Syria and Yemen.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:17pm
The sooner we resolve this issue, the better, as it could escalate to a level which both Iran and Saudia Arabia may regret.
Pakistan has the opportunity to play a constructive role in ensuring that concerns on both side are taken into account before the next year's Hajj.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:29pm
Saudi King himself must see to it that his clerics don't issue inflammatory statements.Iranians must also show restraint.Both these countries' leadership should be aware of the fact that people's minds can't be conditioned by rhetoric and propaganda in 21st century.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:33pm
@Nadeem Yes they can take Sudan help
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Sep 13, 2016 07:38pm
@Nadeem, Pakistan has got loads of problems. Pakistan should keep quite.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:49pm
organised demonstration in another country ? is Iran politicizing the hajj or is it Saudis for not allowing demonstration.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:55pm
I was disappointed with kings in saudia and now I am dusappointed with khamenies et al in Iran aswell.. what a shame.
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Sep 13, 2016 07:58pm
@Nadeem - What happened to the previously played role. Maan na maan mein tera mehman. It was a show of embarrassment.
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Sep 13, 2016 08:06pm
It is of course, entirely political. All rhetoric notwithstanding.
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Sep 13, 2016 08:05pm
What does Saudi mean when they say Irani can come if they came from another country?
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Sep 13, 2016 08:20pm
@AA american iranians and also those who have 2 citizenships of another country
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Sep 13, 2016 08:20pm
@AA It obviously means, they can obtain Saudi visas from a third country - like Turkey and fly directly to KSA, since they have no direct flights between Iran and KSA.
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Sep 13, 2016 08:43pm
There are 71 sects in Islam and they all believe they are Muslims.
Its look very odd and not appropriate to says who is Muslim and who is not. Somebody tell me on my face "I am not Muslim" right there my heart broke and I feel very sad. So think three time before to say any odd words that give too much agony.
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Sep 13, 2016 08:43pm
Excellent statement.
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Sep 13, 2016 08:47pm
@truthspeaks we don't want to put this as a point of contention but would Iranians allow any one to demonstrate against the govt? There is no question about it...they have been serving for decades and if there are any problems should mean to destabilise Saudia by arguing they want demonstrations. The same goes to any other country and we dont want to see any of the Muslims countries to be weak..let us help them in any way we can. Both Saudis and Iranians are our brothers in faith no matter what section we follow we are Muslims and that should be enough to create distrust. Hope we can understand and stand with each other.
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Sep 13, 2016 09:00pm
Iran is right! Saudi monarchy are power hungry and have no right to alone control the Haj.
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Sep 13, 2016 09:06pm
Quraish enjoyed respect since pre-Muhammad's (PBUH) time because they were custodians of Baitullah (and Banu Abbas were the custodians of Zam Zam well). Prophet didn't change or tried to alter any of these respectful custodianship. Therefore, I believe, this is the right of Arabs to take care of holy mosque. Apart from historical background, this seems a childish comment that the country in which the holy sites are located are questioned about their right to manage Hajj. Who else can better serve than the government of that country. Finally, I wish the two countries stop politicising Hajj and do not drag Muslims into this.
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Sep 13, 2016 09:24pm
Every year nearly 2 million pilgrims come for Hajj from 150 plus countries. All regions, races, ethnicities, cultures and languages are represented. The only people who complain are Iranians. So it is obvious that Saudis are not at fault.
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Sep 13, 2016 09:35pm
Does people of the dont know how much saudi government is spending for the betterment of pilgrimage. Why Iran is trying to interfere in the soverignity of Saudi .
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Sep 13, 2016 09:50pm
Saudi Royal family and their government needs to give up control over the holy cities and allow a council of all Muslim countries to govern and manage affairs of both cities.
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Sep 13, 2016 09:59pm
Shia Sunni divide has harmed islam and ummah more than any thing. We all should try to fill this gap peacefully.
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Sep 13, 2016 10:08pm
Saudi Arabia should demand equally from Iran to allow Saudis to hold demonstrations in Tehran.
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Sep 13, 2016 10:14pm
During Hajj I experienced the bigoted attitude of the Saudis even though we were from USA. They think they are the best and all others are dirt
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Sep 13, 2016 10:19pm
The KSA govt needs to control its clerics.
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Sep 13, 2016 10:28pm
Mecca and Madina are two holy cities so both are and should be for all Muslims with no visa no passport but in same way Najaf, Koofa, Karbala, Mashhad and Damascus are sacred cities so their control should be from global Muslim body. Calling Iranian non Muslims from prominent Saudi cleric is overstepping. Both the countries should remain in their domains during verbal shelling
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Sep 13, 2016 10:31pm
There should be democracy in KSA.
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Sep 13, 2016 10:33pm
Tit for tat not a good idea
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Sep 13, 2016 10:36pm
No other country in the Muslim world other than Saudi Arabia is better suited to take care of Hajj,both financially and logistically. They have been doing it for centuries. Yes people have grievances the way they are treated but they can get away with it with the number of pilgrims they accommodate throughout the year for Hajj and umrah.This shia sunni factor is in play here which has hurt us the most.Pakistan should stay away from it. We have got problems of our own create by these two countries
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Sep 13, 2016 10:41pm
the King is right. religion has no place in politics or terrorism
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Sep 13, 2016 10:45pm
Saudi Arab has no right to stop a Muslim belonging to any sect to perform Haj. Mecca and Madina are cities of almighty God and should not be used as grounds for political battles.
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Sep 13, 2016 10:50pm
@Abdul Rehman "The KSA govt needs to control its clerics."
and iran must reign in on its leaders
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Sep 13, 2016 10:58pm
Saudia is right to say that Hajj should not be politicized. Hajj is religious ritual that should be performed as it is, a religious ritual.
On the other hand, Iran saying that Hijaz should not be ruled by Sauds but should be ruled by consortium of Muslims from all over the world, under the supervision of resident known Hashmi clans, as was the case for centuries until Sauds with the help of British, captured Hihaz in 1924.
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Sep 13, 2016 11:16pm
Saudis are playing politics with Hajj by issuing fatwas and banning Muslims from Hajj.
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Sep 13, 2016 11:24pm
strange that soudi makes a statement "no polics in haj visit", at the same time refuses muslims from iran to make haj visit! ??
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Sep 13, 2016 11:34pm
Last year's stampede corroborates the fact that Saudis are incapable of handling that great gathering of muslims alone. They must accept the fact and apologise.
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Sep 13, 2016 11:35pm
@Merchant "Saudi Arab has no right to stop a Muslim belonging to any sect to perform Haj. Mecca and Madina are cities of almighty God and should not be used as grounds for political battles."
While you are correct on access right of all Muslims to the holy places, these places are in their country and anyone visiting must abide by their laws. Allowing a certain group to hold demonstrations is recipe of disaster. In order to keep the Haj safe to all, Saudis have right to require pilgrims follow the laws
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Sep 13, 2016 11:41pm
Mecca should be an independent state run by a council of elected Muslims from around the world and the money raised from the proceeds should be used to improve the services and used as charity for development of not just Muslim countries but anyone who may be needing help. We need to work for peace. Saudi Arabia monopolises on this and takes all the proceeds. They don't own the religion.
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Sep 13, 2016 11:53pm
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia which claims to be the Custodians of the Holy Mosques cannot deny any muslim from pilgrimage to the holy sites irrespective of nationality.Their religious clerics can likewise not judge or deem any muslim not to be one based on their country of origin or language.To do so would be to denounce the last sermon of the Prophet who said neither Arabs or Ajamis had any greater rights over each other.
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Sep 14, 2016 12:12am
hajj is baned for syrian , yemine & iranians ! dont poltice religion!!"""""""""!!!!!!!
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Sep 14, 2016 12:44am
Forget this and only talk about Kashmir
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Sep 14, 2016 12:48am
@Mohammad Tajammul Hasan
People are misinformed who are saying that KSA did not allow people from Iran to perform Haj, the facts are otherwise.
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Sep 14, 2016 12:52am
Banning Iranians seems pretty political to me. But what do I know?
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Sep 14, 2016 01:21am
Just visit the King Abdulaziz
and the King Khalid International Airports and see how you are treated there.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:23am
Sad. Politics in the hajj.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:25am
In all of this we are forgetting the most fundamental principle. Hijaz (Makkah and Madinah) belong to not one country or kingdom, it belongs to all the Muslims. And no country whether Iran or Saudi has any right to create obstacles for common people from coming over there. In this particular instance both Saudi and Iran have politicized something which should not have. So I damn care about the proclamation of Saudi king because facts suggests that he is lying.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:38am
@MOHAMMAD TAJAMMUL HASAN: they were demanding to hold demonstrations and treated as VIPs for security. That beats the concept of no distinction between Arab and Ajam. They have created trouble before and were dealt with Iron Hand.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:42am
It is about time that the Islamic world stand up to tyrant regime of Saudis. They have exploited for decades the sacred land for their own interest.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:47am
"Saudi Arabia had said Iranians were still welcome at the Haj if they came from another country. The Haj ministry's spokesman said “a number” who held other passports were in attendance"
Laughable.. So in effect, native Iranians are not welcome, but those who are now dual nationals of another country (westerners) are ok to come. This is why Saudi Arab was not a kingdom or country that belonged to anyone before the Saud family was made kings by the West.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:47am
@A.Rehman
Saudis don't spend a single penny. Most of the money is charged from Hajis in the form of various taxes when they apply for visa.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:49am
@Nadeem : Opportunity ?? Saudi Arabia was asking to profile all Shias in Hajj applications. Because of a huge uproar this was abandoned and your current government was supporting it, until the practice was challenged.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:51am
@truthspeaks : These are facing washing techniques. Iran's demands are public, you just need to google. They did not ask for public demos at Hajj - it would be a very stupid thing to do. But it is their right to ask for justice and impartial investigation due to all the controversy surrounding the issue of blocking the tunnel that led to thousands of fatalities. They were the biggest victims in that and have a right to feel this way.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:12am
That's strange. Politics is ALSO a part of Islamic tradition.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:17am
@razia well said.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:17am
@Kamal Pasha. Good point to note down.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:53am
The age old fued of arab o ajam
Both iran n saudi acted like kids in the current episode. Grown up already. And someone please tell Pakistan to not try to be the uncle who wants the warring brothers to kiss n make up. We all know what happens to that uncle.
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Sep 14, 2016 04:02am
Saudi King needs to make political reforms in his own country and clip the wings of religious clergy for modernizing his society. He needs to uphold minority and women rights.
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Sep 14, 2016 04:23am
I love biryani...either from Pakistan or India...one condition: it should not be cold. It's not an inherited property of any cast creed or a nation...
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Sep 14, 2016 04:48am
@GA Saudis should hold demonstration in Tehran on what?
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Sep 14, 2016 04:56am
@Naeem , so true, that is how they treat fellow Muslims, they are scared of and respect Israelis more than their own people as well.
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Sep 14, 2016 05:05am
@Nadeem No Pakistan should remain out of it, We already are not recovered from Afghanistan conflict.
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Sep 14, 2016 05:09am
Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has said that Iranians are not Muslims so please stop their entry to the holy sites. How a grand mufti could make such an irrational judgment is unbelievable.
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Sep 14, 2016 05:16am
First decide who is a Muslim?
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Sep 14, 2016 05:18am
@Rigour Others do not have the courage to challenge Saudi totalitarian authority.
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Sep 14, 2016 05:51am
Saudi Arabia earns net 4.6 to 5.2 billion dollars in addition to the profit of Saudi Airlines, local hotels, food vendors, transporters, etc. In addition they earn money year round through Umrah visa fees, etc. How can they give up such a lucrative business (business for them).
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Sep 14, 2016 06:19am
I would have to agree with Saudi Arabia on this one.
Hajj should not be politicized at ANY cost.
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Sep 14, 2016 06:30am
Yes all politics and not very Muslim like
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Sep 14, 2016 06:49am
Saudis are doing noble job by organizing the Hajj event. asking for demonstration during Hajj Iran is politicizing religious fundamental pillar of Islam.
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Sep 14, 2016 06:54am
Too late.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:05am
@Life Plight of muslims need a political come together to resolve issues. Hajj is a time when these issues can be discussed and resolved. Time to show unity rather than ban a large sector of Muslims to come together do discuss and resolve issues.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:06am
@Tabassum: You are absolutely right. I would also add that if you say what your religion is that should be sufficient because no one has absolute right of ownership on any religion no matter whether that person is King, Queen, A Grand Mufti or an Ayatollah or even a PM or a General.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:48am
@razia for your kind information islam is the religion which is a complete code of human life and as such has politics embedded in it.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:52am
@Rigour for your information I did my hajj last year and I have spoken to many nationalities who all do not like the arrangements.
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Sep 14, 2016 08:13am
The fact is the Saudi had claimed initially the death in stampede death of some less than 500 persons. But after that now number is again roughly is 2300. Not again exact figure after one year. Secondly not heard of trial of police or security persons and the report of the same. This is not a transparency.
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Sep 14, 2016 08:15am
@AW ; There will only be MORE problems and endless debates about anything and everything!
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Sep 14, 2016 08:17am
@Shan Kazmi ; Shouldn't Saudis alone decide that? Regardless of religious brotherhood, the rest are all foreigners!
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Sep 14, 2016 08:42am
Come-on Saudis and Iranians !! The whole world is laughing at your childish tantrums. Some countries are sitting on the sideline watching and waiting, while their ignorant citizens are throwing gasoline on the fire. Saudis, do not stop any Muslim from performing their religious duty. Iran, haj is not an occasion for demonstration. Please keep a cool head and forget and forgive.
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Sep 14, 2016 09:14am
Agree with King Salman that Hajj has nothing to do with politics. Saudi Government has provided the best facilities for Hajj and worthy of the noble cause. Carry on the good work for caring Hajis...
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Sep 14, 2016 09:31am
"Saudi Arabia had said Iranians were still welcome at the Haj if they came from another country".... But your grand mufti just declared them non-Muslims? Self contradicting statements!!
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Sep 14, 2016 10:02am
"Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti Abdulaziz al-Sheikh retaliated by telling a newspaper that Iranians “are not Muslims”." It is this particular horrific mindset, branding other Muslims non Muslims or Kafirs, that is responsible for most of bloodshed of innocent people and widespread terrorism in the world.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:20am
Islamic holy sites should be managed and run by Independent body and these sites may be given same status as Vatican state. Saudi Arabia is theocratic state, it is well known that religion and politics are mixed there. Saudi Arabia has full right as an independent state to refuse entry to anybody in their as they did this time to Iranians, next time it may be Pakistanis or any other country. Morally they are wrong but as an independent state rights they are correct. This unpleasant situation for any Muslim being denied religious right to perform Haj is very painful. So control of Holy sites in Mecca and Medina which belongs to all Muslims must be handed over to independent Muslim body which should have full control over proceeds of these holy sites.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:39am
Although my religion is different, but I am pained to read the news item that 'Saudi king rejects mixing Haj with politics' under which it has been mentioned 'for the first time in nearly three decades, Iran's 64,000 pilgrims are not attending the Haj in Saudi Arabia'. Politics should never be mixed with personal belief, faith, visit, games and sports. These 64 000 persons were deprived of prayer. I feel humanity has been scaling down. Before winding up, I wish to mention human beings first came in the world then religions.
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Sep 14, 2016 11:01am
A common body made up of representatives of the most powerful Islamic countries should control Haj and the Holy sites. Saudi or any single people shud not have that right
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Sep 14, 2016 11:51am
@AW would you recommend the same for Ziyaraats too.
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Sep 14, 2016 11:53am
@Qaiser for burning their embassy
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Sep 14, 2016 12:25pm
In all fairness Hajj should be kept away from all type of politics. This is an annual celebration that needs to be pure minus any type political point scoring.
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Sep 14, 2016 12:33pm
“Serving the guests of God is an honour for us". It sure is an honour but such statements are not enough. The King should also pay some attention towards complaints and issue strict orders to ensure that the pilgrims are in fact treated as Guests of God and all pilgrims go back with their dignity intact.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:31pm
Good step to give equality according to islam.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:50pm
@Sardar Suri how on earth do you come to the conclusion that iran is correct ? Iranians have no right to protest in a foreign country especially on the occasion of Hajj
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Sep 14, 2016 02:55pm
Iran's 64,000 pilgrims are not attending the Haj in Saudi Arabia after the two regional rivals failed to agree on security that is a huge amount and after they lost 464 citizens the Saudis should have given them some assurances and commitments.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:58pm
The correct death toll hasn't even been given by Saudi Arabia and investigation wasn't allowed cctv cameras are covering all areas why has no footage shown.
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Sep 14, 2016 03:06pm
@AA - It means, Iranians who have settled in Europe, USA and can do Haj only if they depart from countries other than Iran. These Iranians are liberals, not a risk to the hosts, fewer in number, and not disruptive.
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Sep 14, 2016 03:14pm
We all know that the international community turns blind eye to Saudi Arabia .
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Sep 14, 2016 03:17pm
In this fight the third countries will benefit and the muslim nations will loose.
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Sep 14, 2016 05:10pm
Both holy places should be managed by a committee of members from all Muslim countries instead alone by KSA
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Sep 14, 2016 05:45pm
Iran and KSA should avoid further chaos in the middle east. Its been centuries, that Arab region facing turmoil and they can't see what is happening.
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Sep 14, 2016 06:11pm
@Rigour iran complains coz they care for the security of their citizens so take their complains seriously and not to blame for....
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Sep 14, 2016 07:04pm
No one can tell other people that they are not Muslim. If you believe that you are Muslim then you are Muslim. Only God can judge humans.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:37pm
Okkkay, but the point is that Saudia has no right to control haj. It is a privilege given to it by UMMA. Mecca and Madina belong to the whole Muslim world, and the policies for haj cannot be made without everyone's consent. It hasn't been done in the past because no country was ever denied it's participation in Haj before.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:38pm
@pk "Just visit the King Abdulaziz and the King Khalid International Airports and see how you are treated there."
I performed Haj in 2011 and was treated fairly. Learning few Arabic sentences went a long way. Before complaining about the ill treatment you must also accept that our people lack discipline and many of the times do not follow the laws.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:20pm
In that case, all the oil in Muslim world should be controlled by a committee of Muslim U-mmah.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:40pm
Coming out from Saudis is nothing but politics and acting superior.
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Sep 14, 2016 11:56pm
Issue must be resolved as early as possible. We muslims should stand together. Hajj is the duty pf every Muslim. And duty must be performed regardless of any issue or war.
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Sep 15, 2016 01:13am
Asking about the circumstances of the 2,000-3,000 Hajj Pilgrims killed last year is NOT mixing the Hajj with politics.
The world would like some answers please...
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Sep 15, 2016 01:44am
Not allowing Syrians, Yemenis and Iranians to visit House of God id pure politics.
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Sep 15, 2016 03:37am
That somehow means an acknowledgement by Saudi government that this whole shia sunni issue is about politics. Saudi Iran tussle has destroyed the whole islamic umma by making it about the religion.
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Sep 15, 2016 03:48am
Iran is the only country that is speaking against the brutal atrocities that occurred in last year's hajj which claimed the lives of thousands of pilgrims, all thanks to the utter mismanagement by Saudi officials. It is surprising that the international Muslim community is so silent on the sheer brutality of this incident, and is even criticizing Iran for speaking out against it!
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Sep 15, 2016 04:37am
@AW No sorry but no. SA has been managing very well to the international standards
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Sep 15, 2016 07:56am
@Naeem Interesting you mention "bigoted attitude" and "even though we are from USA" in the same sentence
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Sep 15, 2016 09:31am
two extremes of a coin
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Sep 15, 2016 09:45am
@Naeem true i felt the same when I preformed Hajj last year.
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Sep 15, 2016 09:56am
@Shabbir good point..
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Sep 15, 2016 12:02pm
Saudi king rejects mixing Haj with politics.. not only Hajj but the religion from politics...New Age values are conscious evolution, a non-sectarian society, a non-military culture, global sharing, healing the environment, sustainable economies, self-determination, social justice, economic empowerment of the poor, love, compassion in action, going beyond religious fundamentalism, going beyond nationalism-extreme nationalism, culture and that is what we need...
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Sep 15, 2016 12:29pm
@Zara,I fully agree with your suggestion
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Sep 15, 2016 01:18pm
Calling any country Non-Muslim is not political ?
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Sep 15, 2016 07:18pm
@Rigour "The only people who complain are Iranians" because Iranians have self respect they do care about their dignity and their citizens if other countries have showed indifferent attitude towards the plight of their pilgrims who were died in Mina incident and even not raised any query about their dead bodies then Iran is not to be blamed for caring its citizens
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Sep 16, 2016 08:02am
@Sardar Suri Makkah is in KSA, so it has EVERY right to control who enters their country, and how they behave whilst there.
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Sep 16, 2016 10:47am
@AW Are you serious? Do you think the millions of Saudis who live in those cities are willing to be ruled by an international committee?
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Sep 16, 2016 12:24pm
both countries take the cover of religion to push for their own agenda ....
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Sep 16, 2016 12:51pm
The Two Countries that have done the most damage
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