ISLAMABAD: India on Thursday formally rejected Pakistan's proposal to hold exclusive talks on the issue of Kashmir and said it will only discuss the issue of terrorism alleged infiltration of militants with Pakistan, it has been learnt.
India's Secretary for External Affairs S. J. Shankar wrote a letter to Islamabad, in which it was mentioned that "India would not hold dialogue with Pakistan over Kashmir issue."
Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad Gotam Bambawale handed over the letter to Secretary Foreign Affairs Aizaz Chaudhry.
Earlier this month, a letter was written by Foreign Affairs secretary to his Indian counterpart Shankar, inviting him to visit Islamabad to hold bilateral talks on the disputed territories of Jammu and Kashmir.
"India has rejected the proposal saying that it would only hold talk with Pakistan on terrorism and the alleged infiltration of militants from the Line of Control (LoC)," said the Foreign Office.
"Suitable response would be delivered to New Delhi after thorough consultations," said the officials in Islamabad.
The letter written by Pakistan had highlighted the international obligation of both countries to resolve the Jammu and Kashmir dispute in accordance with the resolutions of the UN Security Council.
The offer by Pakistan was made despite the Independence Day speech of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in which he spoke about alleged human rights abuses in Balochistan, Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan.
On August 12, Adviser to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz had offered a dedicated dialogue to India on Kashmir and observed that India’s policy of not engaging in a comprehensive dialogue with Pakistan was not conducive for peace in South Asia.
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Good Work exhaust all the diplomatic channels like a decent nation and then take Kashmir issue to international forums. Pakistan is not demanding anything new it is just asking India to fulfill its international commitment and to resolve the issue on table very smart move
Again, India is trying to avoid the real issue.
We in India support Indian government in this matter.
@Nomi Goraya
Read up the UN Resolution on the subject for your own knowledge,
Why Pakistan is reluctant to go to the UN where the meaningful resolutions, over the Kashmir issue, are waiting for their application..?
Forget about Shimla accord which has never been honored by India...
@Nomi Goraya We will go by the Simla agreement.
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO then go to the UN, what happened?
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO Sir you can take test on Kashmir issue. I know what it is and what it means
Its fruitless to talk on this issue at all..
India seemed to be more powerful in its approach towards kashmir.
@kaliraja thangamani, it would be better if you supported the wishes of the people and give them their democratic voice. The world's largest demoracy need to show the world how it cares about the wishes of the people of Kashmir over and above hegmonic designs.
Once again and as always India is stonewalling any peace efforts in South Asia. India is committing brutal crackdown in Kashmir where 69 people have been killed and over a 1000 unjured with some blinded for life and India wants to drag the terrorism boogie to reject any talks.
If Pakistan govt thinks India has even 1% suncerity in peace talks than they are completely mistaken. India has always and will always have as state policy to harm Pakistan by any means possible. Keep this in mind when dealing with them.
Shame on you INDIA
Very clear stand by India.
@Ahmed bin Babar : You think p'kistan hasn't tried. It is a non-issue, kashmir question is closed by the UN.
@Nomi Goraya what Inetrnational comminity have said about resolving issue?
UN has already lost its credibilty, so it is not important what UN says on this issue.
Only practically achievable solution is make LOC permanent border and those who want to leave in Pakistan they should be allowed to go there and those want to move to India they should be allowed to do so. You can have n no of meetings and discussion their will be no out put apart from this.
Because Pakistan does not wants to discuss Education, Bilateral Trade, FDI, International Relations with India. Pakistan may not have any issues other than Kashmir but India does.
Pakistan on terrorism and the alleged infiltration of militants from the Line of Control
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India on terrorism and the alleged infiltration of militants from the Line of Control in Baluchistan
Sad India should talk. Political scoring after the rejection of talk on Kashmir by India.
Correct. Kashmir is an internal matter of India.
@Nomi Goraya read the shimla agreement, your leaders signed it
A very strategic move by modi.
Again old excuse from India :)
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO forget about them. They speak about the resolution, but knows nothing about it!
This is just drama. Pakistan knew very well that India will reject it and same is true that India know very well Pakistan will reject it.
Good stand by India.
Okay, why don't we talk about FDI, Bilateral Trade, education etc.? Pakistan has been taking Kashmir issues since decades, but I don't think we are anywhere close to any kind of solution.
Pakistan will benefit more if it improves it's ties with India. Indian govt. has taken the right step indeed.
India diplomacy has terribly gone wrong in Occupied Kashmir.
I think that status quo will remain. Neither Pakistan nor India will give up Kashmir. Ordinary people and tax payers shall be at the receiving end . Pakistan should realize that India is too big a country to be dictated, and get back to concentrate on it's own development.
@kaliraja thangamani if it were your family then it would be different, right, Idain dont want to beause they are wrong really and the kasmiri wants independance hence they cant face the truth.
@Objective View : Oh please..the world knows about both the countries, so no need to preach democracy !
On the world stage given today's state of affairs, India has a much bigger reputation. Pakistan would first need to work on improving its image both politically and in terms of handling extremism before offering any talks regarding Kashmir. sure they should be a discussion but only when the ground is clear and neutral
Lets start from Indian/RAW terrorism in Baluchistan.
All fellows on this forum please read second para in the below url, it clearly said that Pakistan ignored the UN mandate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnitedNationsSecurityCouncilResolution_47
Stand on Kashmir is as clear as it has always been. Its India's J&K, and no other country has any say in this.
India as always adamant about continuing atrocities in Kashmir
India is much stronger than Pakistan on international levels... So Pakistan should understand it..
@Justwasif - Does it justify you can behave as a bully?
@qwekids Sir USA has very recently said that its position on Kashmir dispute is unchanged and it regards it as an issue between India and Pakistan and must be resolved by dialogue and very soon UN will be echoed by Kashmir issue
Great going India
@Sachin What a reference you are quoting? Sir this site is just to get information and anyone can edit it and it has no legitimate standing even in scientific work you can not quote its reference. Even if you are right then why India is shying away from sitting on table?
Indian Govt is serious about Zero tolerance towards terrorism. Indian Govt and Indians can not be taken for granted. We want friendship with Pakistan because we are actually one people with different religion.At the same time India is determined to fight the cross border terrorism.
Thats Modi for you...like it or leave it...
@kaliraja thangamani "We in India support Indian government in this matter." We thought you would.
@Harmony-1©
Dear
India never acted as bully.
@Deepak r "read the shimla agreement, your leaders signed it" Do you remember a certain Mr Nehru and his commitments? Besides, Shimla agreement said Kashmir will be discussed bilaterally between India and Pak. By refusing to discuss Kashmir this Modi govt is back tracking even from Shimla agreement.
Deploy UN peace keeping troops of different nationalities in IOK and indian army should leave the IOK completely.so here everything will be clear as either we are supporting terrorism or kashmiris are actually fighting for their independence.DEPLOY THEM IN EVERY NOOK AND CORNER OF IOK.then everything will be clear.
@Abrar "A very strategic move by modi. " Nothing strategic about it.
Simla Agreement was nullified the day India invaded Siachen.
UN resolution stipulated Pakistan's withdrawal first, correct, but for that to happen the first thing that has to happen is for India to agree to UN resolutions. Then the process can move forward.
Indian government knows it has no moral right to rule over Kashmir except for might, so its finding all excuses to stonewall the talks.
@Sachin Resolutions are not a lines set in stones. It should have been India's name to stop genocide in Indian occupied Kashmir and vacate. This is why UN is fast losing its credibility because its working for the interest of the West only.
@Sachin You are quoting Wikipedia!!!!!!!!!! Please give us a break.
@AK Sir what you are doing in Kashmir and Muslims in India we would love to be recognized as different people with different religion. Keep on hiding behind terrorism and atoot anag but ground realities would not change. Kashmir is dispute and people there are promised to be given right of self determination and this reality is not going to change no matter we like it or not
Go with UN resolutions ? Abide by Simla agreement ? Increase bilateral trade/social links.....Indians seem to be totally confused in their suggestions which reveals their utter confusion to grasp the core of this issue and the relationship.
Vivek, its evident that we cannot talk about trade and commerce (despite there being so much potential) until we take out the "thorn that pricks the hearts of many". Its absolutely futile to talk about business when we have people being massacred on the streets for demanding their fundamental rights.
As for what to abide by...Pakistan can follow UN resolutions and is willing to hold plebiscite on both sides of Kashmir under independent monitors/force.....Pakistan is also willing to follow Simla as long as India is serious & sincere and hence the current invitation.....and we see India's response.
We see RSS govt. in power in India...but that doesn't change ground realities and destinies of human race.
India: terrorism.. Terrorism.. Terrorism..
Pakistan: Kashmir.. Kashmir.. Kashmir..
A dialogue of deafs and dumbs.
So you want to keep killing innocent people just because Pakistan is asking you to stop it?
@Auginpk Sir in reality it is Kashmir and Kashmir only. India is trying to play dumb. All the bitter wars between India and Pakistan start from Kashmir and ends there.
That was expected and the offer was just a trap. India has responded as expected and we have already prepared our next move, which will come as a big jolt to India.
As Mr. Modi said on 15.8.2016 that Kashmiris thanked him. Why Indian Govt is reluctant to hold talks with Pakistan, on disputed issue on J&K which is on UN undecided conflicts agenda
@Nomi Goraya Dear Friend, please arm yourself with what UN resolution says before making any words on UN resolution. Please read it carefully. http://www.samarthsingh.com/pakistan-kashmir-the-un-security-council
I support India.
India wants to talk on terrorism.then let UN to deploy the peace keeping troops in every nook and corner of IOK troops of saudi,US,Uk,Turkey should be deployed and indian army should completely leave this place.then every thing will clear who was lying and betraying on terrorism or who was speaking truth .
@kaliraja thangamani , Obviously you would, but relevant people are of kashmir in suffering. Do they support it.
@indyboy Sir it is better that you share your knowledge here as I think I know each bit of Kashmir issue and its history. So please enlighten me with your wisdom about the issue instead of suggesting me to read the thing which I have memorized long ago
@Harmony-1© When it comes to national interest.. Then might is right...
Lets talk about terrorism but it'll have to start from Kulbhusan yadav.
Might is right.. Thats it.. Simple..
WHAT'S THE USE? Both countires are using the excuse of dialog on Kashmir to brow beat each other and score political points. WAHT'S THE SENSE in beating this dead horse? How long can you talk and not agree? It has been going on for over fifty years now in one form or the other. THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO RECOGNIZE THE LINE OF CONTROL AS THE PERMANENT BORDER AND FOR BOTH COUNTRIES TO ALLOW TOTAL AUTONOMY TO BOTH PARTS OF KASHMIR ALLOWING FREE FLOW OF PEOPLE ACCROSS THE LINE; EXCEPT DEFENSE AND FOREIGN POLICY. THAT WOULD BE THE MOST HONEST, FAIR AND SENSIBLE SOLUTION. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO KEEP FIGHTING AND SOME DAY, GOD FORBID, HAVE A NUCLEAR EXCHANGE EITHER OUT OF FRUSTRATION OR MISCALCULATION.
You cant run away fradulant india from that initiative.
India knows they don't have any basis to claim the Indian held Kashmir is part of India so the best thing for them to do is keep refusing talks with Pakistan and continue killing of innocent men/women/children in Kashmir, this is the sad part of India.
So may Opinions, So many Comments, So many articles.. Blames, Terrorism, Killing.. goes on... like this 70 Years had passed.. No value for human soul.. any thing can happen at any moment , Ego .... and this will GO ON... Just keep the fingers crossed.. an INDIAN who respects human value..!!
@Justwasif - Tell this to @Auginpk too.
Then why do you whinge about China 'bullying'? Accept that "might" too - a real one!
@Important Kashmir is intregral part of India and we don't want to talk to Pakistan about it
@ART KP .. How can it start with Kulbushan without a dossier being handed over to India.
This is real India, brave and straight forward.
Return to ground zero. Now let's again start a WAR .... then REGRET start a BILETRAL TALKS then fight and continue to destroy the progress and prosperity of both countries. NO HOPE at least for this generation ......
@pathanoo You can't distribute Kashmiris Land as it belongs to Kashmiris only, Only Kashmiris get it, Not india not Pakistan it'll have to go Kashmiris only.
The institutions like UN, ICJ etc.. doesnt hold any importance as each and every country moving according to its own individual interests
@Important ... Why Pakistan is reluctant to talk about terrorism?
@Nadeem .. People rioting are not innocents
UN resolution was for J&K as was in 1949. Still surfing the map to find my J&K. Could not find. Can any one hep?
@Raunak Forget about paper dossier, have you not watched RAW agent Kulbhusan Yadav's in Video confessing about doing terrorism in Baluchistan?
Kashmir's are more impotent then our own nation and people or it is only to divert public focus from real issus in pakistan, seems always success how fool and over emotional we are.
I presented the initiative.india saying that kashmir is part of india and we support terror is a JOKE.umer Abdullah remarks are enough he said they dont accept us as indian,Arundatti Roy too badly exposed india about kashmir.JNU student was vanished after his remarks on kashmir freedom,Barkhta Dutt was called pro Pakistani Dove by Aravind Goswami when she exposed the atrocities of india,Nitasha Kaul too exposed india. US brushed aside indian allegations of our involvement in kashmir uprisings So you have any base to stand up then?
Those who are saying ind is violating the Simla agreement must keep in mind that Indias stance is that we cannot discuss Kashmir while cross border terrorism is going on which is correct
@pathanoo India would certainly agree with that.
better to go in UN,talk and show to others contrys in world,amnestie,etc...show to all ambassadeurs the atrocity make by india,in the same time all the politicals party in Pakistan must to be united and strong the economie of Pakistan,secure the borders,and finaly continue the pressure on inda,afghanies refugies OUT.
Given that Kashmir is an internationally recognized disputed issue still waiting resolution for freedom, security, peace and prosperity of the Kashmiri nation, Pakistan should ONLY discuss resolution of Kashmir issue as a stand alone and one topic agenda. Any party who wants to lump any other issue with resolution of Kashmir before, during and/or after any platform, is absolutely not sincere about resolving this International issue that has consumed so many innocent lives, regional peace and prosperity. It must be number ones problem to be resolved. Without resolution of this problem, there is no need to have ANY other ties b/c that will prove self deceit.
@Nomi Goraya Sir,if you have memorised the UN resolution...then don't misquote it...It shows your lack of knowledge about certain facts
this needs to be taken to UN, OIC, and every other forum. pakistans diplomatic response to shame india and bring it to the table are must and need quick effective action. india cannot be allowed to hold status quo here.
@abid sir we treat both Kashmiri pandiths and Muslims as relevant people,
@Tom not really, UN chief just said he wants it resolved.
Indias stance on Kashmir is clear it is integral part of India and UN resolution is non binding as per UN itself. This stance India will never change. Besides that we can keep this dialogue process to avoid any dangerous escalation between neighbours.
This is like fighting a very expensive court case that is draining away time, energy and wealth. It would be better for Pakistan to seek a middle ground, and concentrate on what is more important for the nation. I hope sense prevails.
Talk or no talk, fact is Border can not be alter now. Better agree upon making current line of control as permanent border.
Good work India...
Good. India has never and will never cave in to terrorism and India will do what is in India's best interest.
In international view, India has no other way except to come to an end, The illigal occupation and suppression and ethic cleansing of natives kashmiris is genocide abd crime against humanity.
India underestimates the Muslims Voices and Representation in USA, We as Americans stand up for the rights of our Brotheren in IH Kashmir.
Pakistan government is right to ask India for a constructive talk with India to stop the innocent people killed every day. It is in the interest of both countries solve this outstanding issue to calm the situatuion in Kashmir.
The truth of the matter is that India will never give up Kashmir. Pakistan is in a delicate position in history. Weak internally and externally. International community look down on Pakistan whether for right or wrong reason. But the good news is that Pakistan is going in the right direction. Just need stable government for next 10 years.
Forget talks. India has no say in the matter anyways. They lost the mandate which they never had in the first place when they massacred and disfigured scores and scores of Kashmiris. Kashmiris will get their freedom. India should remember what happened to soviets in Afghanistan.
India cant run away if such initiative should be taken which i posted.it will be badly exposed
@hamza khan . So you should approach UN then.
@Shahid .. India is not talking at all
Very good and let's talk first on Indian infiltration in Balochistan.
@Harmony-1© Yeah.. My reply is same when it comes to your national interest then might is right..
@Nomi Goraya Please read the UN resolution first.
On one hand you are supporting and heating up the Kashmir issue and on the other hand you are inviting for the talk. Both can't possible at same time.
India is just avoiding the real issue which is Kashmir. It's just ducking and diving and trying to divert attention from the core issue.
It's in Pakistan favour not to beg for talks with india again and again just b silent for sometime .Kashmir is only a core issue there nothing to discuss something else.
@Zealot : Really, because you want it?
Thank you oh mighty India for saving our time.
india doing the right job now they are repeating their dual policy making approach and insincerty again.
@Zamir Kiani USA, go ahead who stops you.
Kashmir is integral part of India, we don't need to discuss our internal matters with anyone.
@tanny you can do anything??
@Justwasif - With such petty mindset, dreams of grandeur of nouveau riche like you will remain as dreams!
Kashmir is the main reason for instability and hostility between India and Pakistan. India shows no mercy on the people of kashmir. They just want to keep them under brutal occupation. They should have won the hearts of kashmiri just like Pakistan in Azad Kashmir.
@Vivek (Indore) problem is they don't know whether they have any issues at all.
@Zamir Kiani USA Show your loyalty to the country that gave you refuge.. the last thing that you should do is to raise a Muslim brethren in USA
Keep crying with the Kashmir issue, nothing will happen. Generations passed, and will pass in the future.
Please read an article about Kashmir published in Aljazeera http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/08/kashmir-palestine-story-occupations-160823101836524.html
India is pretending to turn a blind eye on the issue which will destroy the the whole region one day. If India is getting support from some of the biggest powerhouses on its wrong claim it is because it is one of the biggest market in the world.
@raja , absolutely dude, even I also get dis impression after interacting wid them in social media.
I appeal every Pakistani to read UN resolution on Kashmir . Atlest read the brief on Wikipedia .
i think that both should move for some third party solution as both have lost more that what they will get. Pakistan can presurize india from different forum like below
as we did through OIC, US has many compulsion to us in Afghan , we can cash that by bargaining. China and Russia can use influence. UN can also.... Keep back door channels open, 1st of all take your army on board.
the foremost step is announce diplomatic emergency over Kashmir issue and activate ur all resources to convince the globe collectively over Kashmir.
@kaliraja thangamani - not being disrespectful to you but when Ghandi Ji was asking for an independent India in 1947 would you could say same for the Brits? Freedom is every human and nations right and India has been denying to poor Kashmirees for the last 60 years. Two distinct people and cultures and India still wants Kashmir to be a part of Hindus. Very strange
India has now any other option except critical refuse.
I am so tired of India playing this game of blame with Pakistan, India wants to talk about terrorism? lets talk, India wants to talk about militants? lets talk, but keep in mind India, Pakistan is no kid on the block you can bully around. If you must discuss those elements, don't forget RAW and its involvement in Pakistan, lets look at both sides of the coin, I know you guys aren't as dumb as you look. And you bet Kashmir is a different issue, but Kashmir will be discussed one day, one of these days, the human rights movement is going to show up at your door step and rip you apart with the whole world watching.
@Nomi Goraya tamuto needs a lesson not a test on UN resolution and comprehension lessons. They are wrongly educated. Besides, trying to be tricky in playing with twisted meanings. They characteristically lack sincereity.
@Shahid Agreed.
@Vivek (Indore) when Brotish colonial power was killing people, would you talk of trade. Trade and progress comes from harmony and peace which comes from leaving no unresolved problem where lives are being lost. Indians should ask their govt to sit and resolve kashmir.
Now pakistan has it in writting which it should produce in the UN and to US govt, who have urged resolution of kashmir.
@Manas it is not for pakistan or India to decide but kashmiris under UN plebiscite.
very well sad.
@Houlbelat Foolish adventurism wud be given a fitting reply.
@Objective View : Before that is done, all the people who were thrown out by the separatists should be settled back in the Kashmir valley. How will you take a democratic vote if more than 40% of the population is forced to live out of kashmir? those who remain back are all hooligans.
Kashmir belong to Kashmiri not to Pakistan or India !
@Objective View India is a democracy, the majority in India does not want Kashmir to be independent. That is how Democracy works. Democracy does not mean that a small number can make decisions that affect majority.
There is no international obligation for India to do anything about Kashmir at this point. UN has taken off Kashmir as a disputed matter. But I do believe that peaceful solution is the ONLY way between two countries. War is definitely not something anyone should desire.
@Objective View what is the definition of freedom? Indians have all the freedom in the world.
Pakistan needs to move on. Kashmir will retain the status quo. That is all there is to it.
Kashmir is already a bone of contention since the time of independence, we ask Kashmir citizens what they like, we do not like to put forward our ideas but we will see whats in the mind of Kashmir citizens. They like to independent from India, if we do not do this now we have to do this in the future until lots and lots of Kashmir citizens and military will die to pay price, better take action now and sit on a table and solve this problem fast as possible and save innocent people.
@Ahmed bin Babar UN is just a puppet organisation - look at Palestine, any news there ?
And there you have it the worlds biggest democracy.
Good response by India.
@Manas : In his book, Pervaiz Musharraf wrote about exactly the same proposal presented to Indian Prime Minister when he was the President. Indian P.M was warm to the idea at first but rejected it afterwards.
@Rohan: Okay! What about People of J&K? are they Indian too or they are subjects and deserved the treatment they are getting at the hands of Indian authorities.
Again India,rejected to bilateral negotiations with Pakistan. Once again,Kashmir suppressed under Indian Military.Why India do not talk with Pakistan? Pakistan must be take a serious action and keep knowing the condition what was the reason behind why India refuses to dialogue. Kashmir is a state Muslim state how we can ignore and say it it's the internal matter of India. Kashmir is a separate and Muslim state.I am not taking a favor of Pakistan or India.Both are separate states.So, why not we considered Kashmir is a separate state.
Even if they start talking, talks will not go any place. Best thing to do is to hold talks at Dubai between NSAs like Bangkok talks and do a lot of homework before getting politicians involved.
@SOHAIL KHAN WAZIR my dear friend india is doing everythong to win the heart of kashmiris ..
Then Kashmiris will talk to India on the streets. That means India will have to quit soon. Pakistan should provide all the material help as its moral responsibility.
@kaliraja thangamani By denying the people of Kashmir their right of self determination as promised by India to the world.
@Nidhin Olikara Simla agreement entailed dialogue to take place on Kashmir with a view to resolving it.
By refusing to hold talks with Pakistan on the Kashmir issue, India is not even honoring its commitment under the Simla agreement.
@md But is against the solemn commitment it made to the people of Kashmir internationally for giving the people of Kashmir their right of self determination to decide its future.
@Vivek (Indore) Economic relations can be strengthened once the core issue of Kashmir is resolved according to the wishes of the people of Kashmir as promised by India to the world.
@Justwasif Dear India is poor just like Pakistan. The population problem of India is real serious. Pak has a lot of land with Population which is less than UP. We must stand together no more fighting with each other we are a family dost. We can't sustain this attitude anymore, look what it did to us for the past 70 years. Nothing but poverty for the common man from no toilets to terrorism. Shanti to all.
@Tom The UN resolution on Kashmir is still valid and awaits its implementation.
@Manas The Kashmir issue can only be resolved by giving the people of Kashmir their right of self determination as promised by India to the people of Kashmir and to the world.
No other solution is acceptable to the people of Kashmir.
@raja But India knows what the resolution is about. Why is it not ready to implement it.
@Aapka Dost Indian If you don't talk, how can the outstanding problems be resolved especially the Kashmir issue.
@Justwasif the UN is useless/ i cant think of a single place where it has done good. Even in Bosnia UN aggravated the agony. Kashmir, nothing. All over Africa, nothing; speciallt So Africa. Vietnam. Burma.
It is just an organization for employing retired govt officials, and their children, at exhorbitant pay.
@Justwasif No matter how strong you feel, but India can not suppress the wishes of the people of Kashmir and will one day have to bow to their wishes and give them freedom.
@Sohail Khan Wazir. Mercy? For those who murdered, ethnically cleaned and driven out the real owners of the land, pundits?
@Nomi Goraya Please read UN resolution sir
@Sadaqat Hussain wrong. Only 5% of Kashmir wants freedom from India.
@Ahmed bin Babar Mr Ahmed kindly read UN resolution you will know the real fact
What is there to talk????
Kashmiris (Indian side) who desire change, from the status quo, should participate in India's democratic process and follow the constitution. India is a democracy. If that is not acceptable, why not just leave? win-win.
@Vivek (Indore) we dont need better ties at the expense of kashmir. Kashmir has been a disputed territory, your own pm asked for referendum. Ban ki moon asked for bilateral talks. Denial will increase the pace InshaAllah
@Leo this is not a status quo issue for Pakistan. We are not dictating India but we are fighting for their rights...Pakistan is 5 times smaller than India but has the potential to fight and defend it's territory. You are grossly mistaken by the size
I doubt that hostility and violence between India and Pakistan will evaporate if Kashmir is solved. People like Hafeez Saeed will find other reasons to fight.
@Raunak we are not reluctant to talk on any issues. Come and sit and talk about all issues including kashmir. India is the one running away from dialogue as it has no reasons and logics to provide what they are doing there and wants to use force instead.
Pakistan should stop diplomatic relationship with India
@Pk Pakistan should stop diplomatic relationship with India
It will be a welcome step. I second you.
@Zak Pakistan has so many other issues to resolve first then just Kashmir mind it.
How many people in Pakistan have jobs? Do u get electricity for 24 hrs? Do u have a proper medical system? Is ur roads and rail system in place. Think pragmatically what is needed for the normal citizen of ur country.
India will decide what is best for itself. Good stand by India.
@Zealot absolutely, to make Kashmiris remain peaceful then it is mandate to deploy UN peacekeeping force. Then, the true colors of both countries will be revealed. Moreover, atrocities carried by two countries will come down.
@Pk Please stop. this will be more genuine.
Its time India removes Article 370 and let Kashmir be like any other state in India. Be clear is fight is for people or geography?
Kashmiri's have much better future being with India than Azad.
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO There are two one talks about cease fire and provision of UN forces along LOC. Second for the right of plebiscite for all Kashmiris. India is non compliant on both.
All previous talks on Kashmir has failed. Better Pakistan propose talks on trade, easy access among saarc countries and safety of people from terrorism
Bharat has nothing to contribute due to its attitude.....!
Pakistan should also say a big No as talks are not gong to make India understand the reality. The only option is to ask the UN to arrange referendum as per its own resolution(s) without any further delay at all.
@Nomi Goraya and still someone is not ready to learn
Thank you Bharat's government. You indeed are working in India and Indian's best interest
@Objective View, You are talking about just 5% people of Kashmir and include 5 to 10 leaders who either want to merge Kashmir in Pak or Azadi, 95% people are want peace and Azadi from those 5% people, not Azadi from India. So 5% people can not decide the future and present of 95% people. The truth is only some part of south Kashmir is in curfew, not the entire Kashmir and media and leaders are showing.
@md clarity is not the issue here. It is already abundantly clear India doesn't want meaningful talks. The real issue is India's stubbornness.
@Arshad again a disoriented reply by an Indian here. Please stick to the issue. Issue is Kashmir, not Pakistan's power shortage.
@raja : Ohh great.. One side you are talking about UN resolution and now forget about them..??? Salute.>!!
@Jamil "If you don't talk, how can the outstanding problems be resolved especially the Kashmir issue."
Ind is ready to tal but first cross border terrorism at the LOC should stop. Thats the India's stance.
How the proposed talks possible ? If India wants talks on arrest and dismantling of MQM, will you accept ?
How far can India avoid talks on Kashmir?
No point in Talks without talk on terrorism.
@ala korea It is for you to read, understand and accept them, for us it is all OK and we are ready for the implementation of these resolutions.
@Manas very ture
@pathanoo right dear there no other option than this.
Pakistan is talking about Kashmir for the last 70 years and another thousands of years will pass, no result will come. Let us talk about some good things among good citizens of India and Pakistan
@Farrukh "How far can India avoid talks on Kashmir?"
Till the terrorism issue is resolved
@Manas agreed..
@Nidhin Olikara ...by Simla agreement and also by the Instrument of Accession signed on 26 October 1947.
The two sides will never comprise on their respective agendas 1. For Pakistan it is Kashmir.
- For India it is terrorism.
The other countries will be on the side that they deem fit with core issue that endanger humanity and race.
@Ahtesham Not excuse! A strong Reply
@Nomi Goraya It does have reference link to it.U cna go to UN website and see the same
@Hassan That's the difference. For us Kashmir is not a issue. Development is. We are okay to linger this condition for next 1000 years.
@Farrukh Till India is powerful enough to be subdued by UN, EU, US or other country/organization. I guess this situation will stay for long as I see India on the right path to become a strong and high developing country.
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Good Work exhaust all the diplomatic channels like a decent nation and then take Kashmir issue to international forums. Pakistan is not demanding anything new it is just asking India to fulfill its international commitment and to resolve the issue on table very smart move
Again, India is trying to avoid the real issue.
We in India support Indian government in this matter.
@Nomi Goraya
Read up the UN Resolution on the subject for your own knowledge,
Why Pakistan is reluctant to go to the UN where the meaningful resolutions, over the Kashmir issue, are waiting for their application..?
Forget about Shimla accord which has never been honored by India...
@Nomi Goraya We will go by the Simla agreement.
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO then go to the UN, what happened?
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO Sir you can take test on Kashmir issue. I know what it is and what it means
Its fruitless to talk on this issue at all..
India seemed to be more powerful in its approach towards kashmir.
@kaliraja thangamani, it would be better if you supported the wishes of the people and give them their democratic voice. The world's largest demoracy need to show the world how it cares about the wishes of the people of Kashmir over and above hegmonic designs.
Once again and as always India is stonewalling any peace efforts in South Asia. India is committing brutal crackdown in Kashmir where 69 people have been killed and over a 1000 unjured with some blinded for life and India wants to drag the terrorism boogie to reject any talks.
If Pakistan govt thinks India has even 1% suncerity in peace talks than they are completely mistaken. India has always and will always have as state policy to harm Pakistan by any means possible. Keep this in mind when dealing with them.
Shame on you INDIA
Very clear stand by India.
@Ahmed bin Babar : You think p'kistan hasn't tried. It is a non-issue, kashmir question is closed by the UN.
@Nomi Goraya what Inetrnational comminity have said about resolving issue?
UN has already lost its credibilty, so it is not important what UN says on this issue.
Only practically achievable solution is make LOC permanent border and those who want to leave in Pakistan they should be allowed to go there and those want to move to India they should be allowed to do so. You can have n no of meetings and discussion their will be no out put apart from this.
Because Pakistan does not wants to discuss Education, Bilateral Trade, FDI, International Relations with India. Pakistan may not have any issues other than Kashmir but India does.
Pakistan on terrorism and the alleged infiltration of militants from the Line of Control
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India on terrorism and the alleged infiltration of militants from the Line of Control in Baluchistan
Sad India should talk. Political scoring after the rejection of talk on Kashmir by India.
Correct. Kashmir is an internal matter of India.
@Nomi Goraya read the shimla agreement, your leaders signed it
A very strategic move by modi.
Again old excuse from India :)
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO forget about them. They speak about the resolution, but knows nothing about it!
This is just drama. Pakistan knew very well that India will reject it and same is true that India know very well Pakistan will reject it.
Good stand by India.
Okay, why don't we talk about FDI, Bilateral Trade, education etc.? Pakistan has been taking Kashmir issues since decades, but I don't think we are anywhere close to any kind of solution.
Pakistan will benefit more if it improves it's ties with India. Indian govt. has taken the right step indeed.
India diplomacy has terribly gone wrong in Occupied Kashmir.
I think that status quo will remain. Neither Pakistan nor India will give up Kashmir. Ordinary people and tax payers shall be at the receiving end . Pakistan should realize that India is too big a country to be dictated, and get back to concentrate on it's own development.
@kaliraja thangamani if it were your family then it would be different, right, Idain dont want to beause they are wrong really and the kasmiri wants independance hence they cant face the truth.
@Objective View : Oh please..the world knows about both the countries, so no need to preach democracy !
On the world stage given today's state of affairs, India has a much bigger reputation. Pakistan would first need to work on improving its image both politically and in terms of handling extremism before offering any talks regarding Kashmir. sure they should be a discussion but only when the ground is clear and neutral
Lets start from Indian/RAW terrorism in Baluchistan.
All fellows on this forum please read second para in the below url, it clearly said that Pakistan ignored the UN mandate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnitedNationsSecurityCouncilResolution_47
Stand on Kashmir is as clear as it has always been. Its India's J&K, and no other country has any say in this.
India as always adamant about continuing atrocities in Kashmir
India is much stronger than Pakistan on international levels... So Pakistan should understand it..
@Justwasif - Does it justify you can behave as a bully?
@qwekids Sir USA has very recently said that its position on Kashmir dispute is unchanged and it regards it as an issue between India and Pakistan and must be resolved by dialogue and very soon UN will be echoed by Kashmir issue
Great going India
@Sachin What a reference you are quoting? Sir this site is just to get information and anyone can edit it and it has no legitimate standing even in scientific work you can not quote its reference. Even if you are right then why India is shying away from sitting on table?
Indian Govt is serious about Zero tolerance towards terrorism. Indian Govt and Indians can not be taken for granted. We want friendship with Pakistan because we are actually one people with different religion.At the same time India is determined to fight the cross border terrorism.
Thats Modi for you...like it or leave it...
@kaliraja thangamani "We in India support Indian government in this matter." We thought you would.
@Harmony-1©
Dear
India never acted as bully.
@Deepak r "read the shimla agreement, your leaders signed it" Do you remember a certain Mr Nehru and his commitments? Besides, Shimla agreement said Kashmir will be discussed bilaterally between India and Pak. By refusing to discuss Kashmir this Modi govt is back tracking even from Shimla agreement.
Deploy UN peace keeping troops of different nationalities in IOK and indian army should leave the IOK completely.so here everything will be clear as either we are supporting terrorism or kashmiris are actually fighting for their independence.DEPLOY THEM IN EVERY NOOK AND CORNER OF IOK.then everything will be clear.
@Abrar "A very strategic move by modi. " Nothing strategic about it.
Simla Agreement was nullified the day India invaded Siachen.
UN resolution stipulated Pakistan's withdrawal first, correct, but for that to happen the first thing that has to happen is for India to agree to UN resolutions. Then the process can move forward.
Indian government knows it has no moral right to rule over Kashmir except for might, so its finding all excuses to stonewall the talks.
@Sachin Resolutions are not a lines set in stones. It should have been India's name to stop genocide in Indian occupied Kashmir and vacate. This is why UN is fast losing its credibility because its working for the interest of the West only.
@Sachin You are quoting Wikipedia!!!!!!!!!! Please give us a break.
@AK Sir what you are doing in Kashmir and Muslims in India we would love to be recognized as different people with different religion. Keep on hiding behind terrorism and atoot anag but ground realities would not change. Kashmir is dispute and people there are promised to be given right of self determination and this reality is not going to change no matter we like it or not
Go with UN resolutions ? Abide by Simla agreement ? Increase bilateral trade/social links.....Indians seem to be totally confused in their suggestions which reveals their utter confusion to grasp the core of this issue and the relationship.
Vivek, its evident that we cannot talk about trade and commerce (despite there being so much potential) until we take out the "thorn that pricks the hearts of many". Its absolutely futile to talk about business when we have people being massacred on the streets for demanding their fundamental rights.
As for what to abide by...Pakistan can follow UN resolutions and is willing to hold plebiscite on both sides of Kashmir under independent monitors/force.....Pakistan is also willing to follow Simla as long as India is serious & sincere and hence the current invitation.....and we see India's response.
We see RSS govt. in power in India...but that doesn't change ground realities and destinies of human race.
India: terrorism.. Terrorism.. Terrorism..
Pakistan: Kashmir.. Kashmir.. Kashmir..
A dialogue of deafs and dumbs.
So you want to keep killing innocent people just because Pakistan is asking you to stop it?
@Auginpk Sir in reality it is Kashmir and Kashmir only. India is trying to play dumb. All the bitter wars between India and Pakistan start from Kashmir and ends there.
That was expected and the offer was just a trap. India has responded as expected and we have already prepared our next move, which will come as a big jolt to India.
As Mr. Modi said on 15.8.2016 that Kashmiris thanked him. Why Indian Govt is reluctant to hold talks with Pakistan, on disputed issue on J&K which is on UN undecided conflicts agenda
@Nomi Goraya Dear Friend, please arm yourself with what UN resolution says before making any words on UN resolution. Please read it carefully. http://www.samarthsingh.com/pakistan-kashmir-the-un-security-council
I support India.
India wants to talk on terrorism.then let UN to deploy the peace keeping troops in every nook and corner of IOK troops of saudi,US,Uk,Turkey should be deployed and indian army should completely leave this place.then every thing will clear who was lying and betraying on terrorism or who was speaking truth .
@kaliraja thangamani , Obviously you would, but relevant people are of kashmir in suffering. Do they support it.
@indyboy Sir it is better that you share your knowledge here as I think I know each bit of Kashmir issue and its history. So please enlighten me with your wisdom about the issue instead of suggesting me to read the thing which I have memorized long ago
@Harmony-1© When it comes to national interest.. Then might is right...
Lets talk about terrorism but it'll have to start from Kulbhusan yadav.
Might is right.. Thats it.. Simple..
WHAT'S THE USE? Both countires are using the excuse of dialog on Kashmir to brow beat each other and score political points. WAHT'S THE SENSE in beating this dead horse? How long can you talk and not agree? It has been going on for over fifty years now in one form or the other. THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO RECOGNIZE THE LINE OF CONTROL AS THE PERMANENT BORDER AND FOR BOTH COUNTRIES TO ALLOW TOTAL AUTONOMY TO BOTH PARTS OF KASHMIR ALLOWING FREE FLOW OF PEOPLE ACCROSS THE LINE; EXCEPT DEFENSE AND FOREIGN POLICY. THAT WOULD BE THE MOST HONEST, FAIR AND SENSIBLE SOLUTION. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO KEEP FIGHTING AND SOME DAY, GOD FORBID, HAVE A NUCLEAR EXCHANGE EITHER OUT OF FRUSTRATION OR MISCALCULATION.
You cant run away fradulant india from that initiative.
India knows they don't have any basis to claim the Indian held Kashmir is part of India so the best thing for them to do is keep refusing talks with Pakistan and continue killing of innocent men/women/children in Kashmir, this is the sad part of India.
So may Opinions, So many Comments, So many articles.. Blames, Terrorism, Killing.. goes on... like this 70 Years had passed.. No value for human soul.. any thing can happen at any moment , Ego .... and this will GO ON... Just keep the fingers crossed.. an INDIAN who respects human value..!!
@Justwasif - Tell this to @Auginpk too.
Then why do you whinge about China 'bullying'? Accept that "might" too - a real one!
@Important Kashmir is intregral part of India and we don't want to talk to Pakistan about it
@ART KP .. How can it start with Kulbushan without a dossier being handed over to India.
This is real India, brave and straight forward.
Return to ground zero. Now let's again start a WAR .... then REGRET start a BILETRAL TALKS then fight and continue to destroy the progress and prosperity of both countries. NO HOPE at least for this generation ......
@pathanoo You can't distribute Kashmiris Land as it belongs to Kashmiris only, Only Kashmiris get it, Not india not Pakistan it'll have to go Kashmiris only.
The institutions like UN, ICJ etc.. doesnt hold any importance as each and every country moving according to its own individual interests
@Important ... Why Pakistan is reluctant to talk about terrorism?
@Nadeem .. People rioting are not innocents
UN resolution was for J&K as was in 1949. Still surfing the map to find my J&K. Could not find. Can any one hep?
@Raunak Forget about paper dossier, have you not watched RAW agent Kulbhusan Yadav's in Video confessing about doing terrorism in Baluchistan?
Kashmir's are more impotent then our own nation and people or it is only to divert public focus from real issus in pakistan, seems always success how fool and over emotional we are.
I presented the initiative.india saying that kashmir is part of india and we support terror is a JOKE.umer Abdullah remarks are enough he said they dont accept us as indian,Arundatti Roy too badly exposed india about kashmir.JNU student was vanished after his remarks on kashmir freedom,Barkhta Dutt was called pro Pakistani Dove by Aravind Goswami when she exposed the atrocities of india,Nitasha Kaul too exposed india. US brushed aside indian allegations of our involvement in kashmir uprisings So you have any base to stand up then?
Those who are saying ind is violating the Simla agreement must keep in mind that Indias stance is that we cannot discuss Kashmir while cross border terrorism is going on which is correct
@pathanoo India would certainly agree with that.
better to go in UN,talk and show to others contrys in world,amnestie,etc...show to all ambassadeurs the atrocity make by india,in the same time all the politicals party in Pakistan must to be united and strong the economie of Pakistan,secure the borders,and finaly continue the pressure on inda,afghanies refugies OUT.
Given that Kashmir is an internationally recognized disputed issue still waiting resolution for freedom, security, peace and prosperity of the Kashmiri nation, Pakistan should ONLY discuss resolution of Kashmir issue as a stand alone and one topic agenda. Any party who wants to lump any other issue with resolution of Kashmir before, during and/or after any platform, is absolutely not sincere about resolving this International issue that has consumed so many innocent lives, regional peace and prosperity. It must be number ones problem to be resolved. Without resolution of this problem, there is no need to have ANY other ties b/c that will prove self deceit.
@Nomi Goraya Sir,if you have memorised the UN resolution...then don't misquote it...It shows your lack of knowledge about certain facts
this needs to be taken to UN, OIC, and every other forum. pakistans diplomatic response to shame india and bring it to the table are must and need quick effective action. india cannot be allowed to hold status quo here.
@abid sir we treat both Kashmiri pandiths and Muslims as relevant people,
@Tom not really, UN chief just said he wants it resolved.
Indias stance on Kashmir is clear it is integral part of India and UN resolution is non binding as per UN itself. This stance India will never change. Besides that we can keep this dialogue process to avoid any dangerous escalation between neighbours.
This is like fighting a very expensive court case that is draining away time, energy and wealth. It would be better for Pakistan to seek a middle ground, and concentrate on what is more important for the nation. I hope sense prevails.
Talk or no talk, fact is Border can not be alter now. Better agree upon making current line of control as permanent border.
Good work India...
Good. India has never and will never cave in to terrorism and India will do what is in India's best interest.
In international view, India has no other way except to come to an end, The illigal occupation and suppression and ethic cleansing of natives kashmiris is genocide abd crime against humanity.
India underestimates the Muslims Voices and Representation in USA, We as Americans stand up for the rights of our Brotheren in IH Kashmir.
Pakistan government is right to ask India for a constructive talk with India to stop the innocent people killed every day. It is in the interest of both countries solve this outstanding issue to calm the situatuion in Kashmir.
The truth of the matter is that India will never give up Kashmir. Pakistan is in a delicate position in history. Weak internally and externally. International community look down on Pakistan whether for right or wrong reason. But the good news is that Pakistan is going in the right direction. Just need stable government for next 10 years.
Forget talks. India has no say in the matter anyways. They lost the mandate which they never had in the first place when they massacred and disfigured scores and scores of Kashmiris. Kashmiris will get their freedom. India should remember what happened to soviets in Afghanistan.
India cant run away if such initiative should be taken which i posted.it will be badly exposed
@hamza khan . So you should approach UN then.
@Shahid .. India is not talking at all
Very good and let's talk first on Indian infiltration in Balochistan.
@Harmony-1© Yeah.. My reply is same when it comes to your national interest then might is right..
@Nomi Goraya Please read the UN resolution first.
On one hand you are supporting and heating up the Kashmir issue and on the other hand you are inviting for the talk. Both can't possible at same time.
India is just avoiding the real issue which is Kashmir. It's just ducking and diving and trying to divert attention from the core issue.
It's in Pakistan favour not to beg for talks with india again and again just b silent for sometime .Kashmir is only a core issue there nothing to discuss something else.
@Zealot : Really, because you want it?
Thank you oh mighty India for saving our time.
india doing the right job now they are repeating their dual policy making approach and insincerty again.
@Zamir Kiani USA, go ahead who stops you.
Kashmir is integral part of India, we don't need to discuss our internal matters with anyone.
@tanny you can do anything??
@Justwasif - With such petty mindset, dreams of grandeur of nouveau riche like you will remain as dreams!
Kashmir is the main reason for instability and hostility between India and Pakistan. India shows no mercy on the people of kashmir. They just want to keep them under brutal occupation. They should have won the hearts of kashmiri just like Pakistan in Azad Kashmir.
@Vivek (Indore) problem is they don't know whether they have any issues at all.
@Zamir Kiani USA Show your loyalty to the country that gave you refuge.. the last thing that you should do is to raise a Muslim brethren in USA
Keep crying with the Kashmir issue, nothing will happen. Generations passed, and will pass in the future.
Please read an article about Kashmir published in Aljazeera http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/08/kashmir-palestine-story-occupations-160823101836524.html
India is pretending to turn a blind eye on the issue which will destroy the the whole region one day. If India is getting support from some of the biggest powerhouses on its wrong claim it is because it is one of the biggest market in the world.
@raja , absolutely dude, even I also get dis impression after interacting wid them in social media.
I appeal every Pakistani to read UN resolution on Kashmir . Atlest read the brief on Wikipedia .
i think that both should move for some third party solution as both have lost more that what they will get. Pakistan can presurize india from different forum like below
as we did through OIC, US has many compulsion to us in Afghan , we can cash that by bargaining. China and Russia can use influence. UN can also.... Keep back door channels open, 1st of all take your army on board.
the foremost step is announce diplomatic emergency over Kashmir issue and activate ur all resources to convince the globe collectively over Kashmir.
@kaliraja thangamani - not being disrespectful to you but when Ghandi Ji was asking for an independent India in 1947 would you could say same for the Brits? Freedom is every human and nations right and India has been denying to poor Kashmirees for the last 60 years. Two distinct people and cultures and India still wants Kashmir to be a part of Hindus. Very strange
India has now any other option except critical refuse.
I am so tired of India playing this game of blame with Pakistan, India wants to talk about terrorism? lets talk, India wants to talk about militants? lets talk, but keep in mind India, Pakistan is no kid on the block you can bully around. If you must discuss those elements, don't forget RAW and its involvement in Pakistan, lets look at both sides of the coin, I know you guys aren't as dumb as you look. And you bet Kashmir is a different issue, but Kashmir will be discussed one day, one of these days, the human rights movement is going to show up at your door step and rip you apart with the whole world watching.
@Nomi Goraya tamuto needs a lesson not a test on UN resolution and comprehension lessons. They are wrongly educated. Besides, trying to be tricky in playing with twisted meanings. They characteristically lack sincereity.
@Shahid Agreed.
@Vivek (Indore) when Brotish colonial power was killing people, would you talk of trade. Trade and progress comes from harmony and peace which comes from leaving no unresolved problem where lives are being lost. Indians should ask their govt to sit and resolve kashmir.
Now pakistan has it in writting which it should produce in the UN and to US govt, who have urged resolution of kashmir.
@Manas it is not for pakistan or India to decide but kashmiris under UN plebiscite.
very well sad.
@Houlbelat Foolish adventurism wud be given a fitting reply.
@Objective View : Before that is done, all the people who were thrown out by the separatists should be settled back in the Kashmir valley. How will you take a democratic vote if more than 40% of the population is forced to live out of kashmir? those who remain back are all hooligans.
Kashmir belong to Kashmiri not to Pakistan or India !
@Objective View India is a democracy, the majority in India does not want Kashmir to be independent. That is how Democracy works. Democracy does not mean that a small number can make decisions that affect majority.
There is no international obligation for India to do anything about Kashmir at this point. UN has taken off Kashmir as a disputed matter. But I do believe that peaceful solution is the ONLY way between two countries. War is definitely not something anyone should desire.
@Objective View what is the definition of freedom? Indians have all the freedom in the world.
Pakistan needs to move on. Kashmir will retain the status quo. That is all there is to it.
Kashmir is already a bone of contention since the time of independence, we ask Kashmir citizens what they like, we do not like to put forward our ideas but we will see whats in the mind of Kashmir citizens. They like to independent from India, if we do not do this now we have to do this in the future until lots and lots of Kashmir citizens and military will die to pay price, better take action now and sit on a table and solve this problem fast as possible and save innocent people.
@Ahmed bin Babar UN is just a puppet organisation - look at Palestine, any news there ?
And there you have it the worlds biggest democracy.
Good response by India.
@Manas : In his book, Pervaiz Musharraf wrote about exactly the same proposal presented to Indian Prime Minister when he was the President. Indian P.M was warm to the idea at first but rejected it afterwards.
@Rohan: Okay! What about People of J&K? are they Indian too or they are subjects and deserved the treatment they are getting at the hands of Indian authorities.
Again India,rejected to bilateral negotiations with Pakistan. Once again,Kashmir suppressed under Indian Military.Why India do not talk with Pakistan? Pakistan must be take a serious action and keep knowing the condition what was the reason behind why India refuses to dialogue. Kashmir is a state Muslim state how we can ignore and say it it's the internal matter of India. Kashmir is a separate and Muslim state.I am not taking a favor of Pakistan or India.Both are separate states.So, why not we considered Kashmir is a separate state.
Even if they start talking, talks will not go any place. Best thing to do is to hold talks at Dubai between NSAs like Bangkok talks and do a lot of homework before getting politicians involved.
@SOHAIL KHAN WAZIR my dear friend india is doing everythong to win the heart of kashmiris ..
Then Kashmiris will talk to India on the streets. That means India will have to quit soon. Pakistan should provide all the material help as its moral responsibility.
@kaliraja thangamani By denying the people of Kashmir their right of self determination as promised by India to the world.
@Nidhin Olikara Simla agreement entailed dialogue to take place on Kashmir with a view to resolving it.
By refusing to hold talks with Pakistan on the Kashmir issue, India is not even honoring its commitment under the Simla agreement.
@md But is against the solemn commitment it made to the people of Kashmir internationally for giving the people of Kashmir their right of self determination to decide its future.
@Vivek (Indore) Economic relations can be strengthened once the core issue of Kashmir is resolved according to the wishes of the people of Kashmir as promised by India to the world.
@Justwasif Dear India is poor just like Pakistan. The population problem of India is real serious. Pak has a lot of land with Population which is less than UP. We must stand together no more fighting with each other we are a family dost. We can't sustain this attitude anymore, look what it did to us for the past 70 years. Nothing but poverty for the common man from no toilets to terrorism. Shanti to all.
@Tom The UN resolution on Kashmir is still valid and awaits its implementation.
@Manas The Kashmir issue can only be resolved by giving the people of Kashmir their right of self determination as promised by India to the people of Kashmir and to the world.
No other solution is acceptable to the people of Kashmir.
@raja But India knows what the resolution is about. Why is it not ready to implement it.
@Aapka Dost Indian If you don't talk, how can the outstanding problems be resolved especially the Kashmir issue.
@Justwasif the UN is useless/ i cant think of a single place where it has done good. Even in Bosnia UN aggravated the agony. Kashmir, nothing. All over Africa, nothing; speciallt So Africa. Vietnam. Burma.
It is just an organization for employing retired govt officials, and their children, at exhorbitant pay.
@Justwasif No matter how strong you feel, but India can not suppress the wishes of the people of Kashmir and will one day have to bow to their wishes and give them freedom.
@Sohail Khan Wazir. Mercy? For those who murdered, ethnically cleaned and driven out the real owners of the land, pundits?
@Nomi Goraya Please read UN resolution sir
@Sadaqat Hussain wrong. Only 5% of Kashmir wants freedom from India.
@Ahmed bin Babar Mr Ahmed kindly read UN resolution you will know the real fact
What is there to talk????
Kashmiris (Indian side) who desire change, from the status quo, should participate in India's democratic process and follow the constitution. India is a democracy. If that is not acceptable, why not just leave? win-win.
@Vivek (Indore) we dont need better ties at the expense of kashmir. Kashmir has been a disputed territory, your own pm asked for referendum. Ban ki moon asked for bilateral talks. Denial will increase the pace InshaAllah
@Leo this is not a status quo issue for Pakistan. We are not dictating India but we are fighting for their rights...Pakistan is 5 times smaller than India but has the potential to fight and defend it's territory. You are grossly mistaken by the size
I doubt that hostility and violence between India and Pakistan will evaporate if Kashmir is solved. People like Hafeez Saeed will find other reasons to fight.
@Raunak we are not reluctant to talk on any issues. Come and sit and talk about all issues including kashmir. India is the one running away from dialogue as it has no reasons and logics to provide what they are doing there and wants to use force instead.
Pakistan should stop diplomatic relationship with India
@Pk Pakistan should stop diplomatic relationship with India
It will be a welcome step. I second you.
@Zak Pakistan has so many other issues to resolve first then just Kashmir mind it.
How many people in Pakistan have jobs? Do u get electricity for 24 hrs? Do u have a proper medical system? Is ur roads and rail system in place. Think pragmatically what is needed for the normal citizen of ur country.
India will decide what is best for itself. Good stand by India.
@Zealot absolutely, to make Kashmiris remain peaceful then it is mandate to deploy UN peacekeeping force. Then, the true colors of both countries will be revealed. Moreover, atrocities carried by two countries will come down.
@Pk Please stop. this will be more genuine.
Its time India removes Article 370 and let Kashmir be like any other state in India. Be clear is fight is for people or geography?
Kashmiri's have much better future being with India than Azad.
@TOMUHTO TAWMAYTO There are two one talks about cease fire and provision of UN forces along LOC. Second for the right of plebiscite for all Kashmiris. India is non compliant on both.
All previous talks on Kashmir has failed. Better Pakistan propose talks on trade, easy access among saarc countries and safety of people from terrorism
Bharat has nothing to contribute due to its attitude.....!
Pakistan should also say a big No as talks are not gong to make India understand the reality. The only option is to ask the UN to arrange referendum as per its own resolution(s) without any further delay at all.
@Nomi Goraya and still someone is not ready to learn
Thank you Bharat's government. You indeed are working in India and Indian's best interest
@Objective View, You are talking about just 5% people of Kashmir and include 5 to 10 leaders who either want to merge Kashmir in Pak or Azadi, 95% people are want peace and Azadi from those 5% people, not Azadi from India. So 5% people can not decide the future and present of 95% people. The truth is only some part of south Kashmir is in curfew, not the entire Kashmir and media and leaders are showing.
@md clarity is not the issue here. It is already abundantly clear India doesn't want meaningful talks. The real issue is India's stubbornness.
@Arshad again a disoriented reply by an Indian here. Please stick to the issue. Issue is Kashmir, not Pakistan's power shortage.
@raja : Ohh great.. One side you are talking about UN resolution and now forget about them..??? Salute.>!!
@Jamil "If you don't talk, how can the outstanding problems be resolved especially the Kashmir issue."
Ind is ready to tal but first cross border terrorism at the LOC should stop. Thats the India's stance.
How the proposed talks possible ? If India wants talks on arrest and dismantling of MQM, will you accept ?
How far can India avoid talks on Kashmir?
No point in Talks without talk on terrorism.
@ala korea It is for you to read, understand and accept them, for us it is all OK and we are ready for the implementation of these resolutions.
@Manas very ture
@pathanoo right dear there no other option than this.
Pakistan is talking about Kashmir for the last 70 years and another thousands of years will pass, no result will come. Let us talk about some good things among good citizens of India and Pakistan
@Farrukh "How far can India avoid talks on Kashmir?"
Till the terrorism issue is resolved
@Manas agreed..
@Nidhin Olikara ...by Simla agreement and also by the Instrument of Accession signed on 26 October 1947.
The two sides will never comprise on their respective agendas 1. For Pakistan it is Kashmir.
The other countries will be on the side that they deem fit with core issue that endanger humanity and race.
@Ahtesham Not excuse! A strong Reply
@Nomi Goraya It does have reference link to it.U cna go to UN website and see the same
@Hassan That's the difference. For us Kashmir is not a issue. Development is. We are okay to linger this condition for next 1000 years.
@Farrukh Till India is powerful enough to be subdued by UN, EU, US or other country/organization. I guess this situation will stay for long as I see India on the right path to become a strong and high developing country.