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India urged to hold talks as two troops die in shelling

Updated Aug 23, 2013 04:16pm


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The photo shows an Indian soldier near the Line of Control. — File/Reuters
The photo shows an Indian soldier near the Line of Control. — File/Reuters

ISLAMABAD: As two more Pakistani soldiers were killed by Indian shelling, Pakistan proposed to India on Thursday meetings of senior diplomats and military officials for implementation of ceasefire on the Line of Control (LoC).

Three soldiers and two civilians have so far been killed in almost daily Indian attacks on Pakistani posts and populated areas along the LoC since August 6. Several others have been injured.

Soldier Gul Wahab was killed in the Hot Spring sector and Lance Naik Habibullah in Rakhchakri sector of Rawalakot on Thursday.

The latest proposal for implementation of the ceasefire was made at a meeting between Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani and the Indian high commissioner.

“Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani called Indian High Commissioner Dr T.C.A. Raghavan to the Foreign Office today and conveyed Pakistan’s serious concern over the continued and unwarranted ceasefire violations by the Indian army resulting in loss of precious human lives,” Foreign Office spokesman Aizaz Chaudhry said.

It was the third time since the hostilities began and for the second consecutive day that an Indian diplomat was summoned. All protests have so far gone unheeded.

Secretary Jilani warned the Indian envoy that continued shelling could escalate the tensions.

Reiterating Pakistan’s desire for “constructive engagement”, Mr Jilani suggested holding meetings of senior diplomats and military officials for restoration of the 2003 ceasefire accord.

“He proposed that senior officials from the foreign ministries and militaries could meet to discuss ways and means to strengthen and expand the existing military and political mechanisms to ensure that the ceasefire agreement was observed in letter and spirit,” the spokesman said.

Alongside raising the level of the protest where the Indian high commissioner was summoned for the first time, the increase in the number of casualties also brought bitterness in the language of the Foreign Office which had hitherto been very polite in statements on regarding India.

“The people of Pakistan, the leadership and our institutions are fully capable of defending our territory and our interests,” the spokesman said earlier in the day at his weekly media briefing.

He cautioned that Pakistan’s policy of restraint, responsibility, and dialogue in the larger interest of peace in the region should not be misread as its weakness.

Tariq Naqash adds from Muzaffarabad: Two more civilians were injured by Indian shelling in Nakial sector of Azad Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday night, triggering panic and fears of displacement among the border area’s residents after a decade-long break.

“They started shelling during the night, yet again without any provocation, targeting various villages of Nakial sector with small weapons and mortars,” Kotli Deputy Commissioner Masoodur Rehman told Dawn.

Shamim Akhtar, 35, and Usama, 12, were injured in Balakot village.

Indian troops also shelled Tatta Pani sector on Thursday evening, but there were no casualties, he said.

The deputy commissioner said the Indian troops were “brazenly targeting civilian populations” which had compelled the administration to consider relocation of people from the affected areas, “as and where unavoidable”.

Around 25 families from Balakot, Datote, Lanjot, and Dheri Dabsi villages had moved to their relatives in rear areas on their own, he said.

DIVIDED FAMILIES: Indian troops added more bitterness to the already charged atmosphere in the region by preventing a riverside meeting of divided Kashmiri families, witnesses said.

Over 100 Kashmiri refugees, including women and children, had to return in despair to their camps in Muzaffarabad from the Chilyana crossing point in Neelum valley after Indian troops did not allow their relatives on the other side of River Neelum to get closer to the riverbank.

According to AFP, a statement issued by the Pakistani military said two soldiers were injured in the “unprovoked firing at Hot Spring (Tatta Pani) sector in the evening” that left Sepoy Gul Wahab dead.


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Comments (41) Closed

Ahmer Aug 23, 2013 09:00am

We should raise the matter of indian aggression in OIC and UN security council. Let our diaspora demonstrate against Manmohan Singh when he visits USA.

Different view Aug 23, 2013 09:43am

Why? Why now?

Ahmer Aug 23, 2013 09:47am

Urging alone will not help this time. A clear and unambiguous nuclear threat alone will bring india to senses this time.

JayRaman Aug 23, 2013 10:01am

It is very unfotunate that precious human lives are wasted.. At the same time there will be reaction from India when five of their soldiers are killed. Pakistan should control all hostile activity from their side. There is no way five soldiers will be killed close to LOC without active help from Pakistan. Unfortunately I think things are only going to get worse.

Shah Aug 23, 2013 11:12am

Why is the murder of Pakistani civillians soldiers by Indians not the main top news on Dawn?

Here the Indians are dignified enough to make the loss of soldiers top news.

Junaid bin ibd al-rahman Aug 23, 2013 11:36am

@Ahmer: Mr sheikh rasheed issued one in his Independence Day speech from lal kothi.many others have done as well in past.nothing happens.nuclear threat doesn't fully protect against conventional one.when the other side has a nuclear triad for second response,it's of little lets work for peace

Arun Aug 23, 2013 11:42am

@Ahmer: Note that both countries are nuclear capable. And that will cause more damage only.

Mubashir Aug 23, 2013 12:05pm

@Ahmer: "Urging alone will not help this time. A clear and unambiguous nuclear threat alone will bring india to senses this time."

That is what we need. A nuclear war. That will solve all of our problems.

hemant Aug 23, 2013 12:15pm

@Ahmer: man you dont know what you are talking.... This is the problem of pakistan...what do you think?? you alone have neuclear weapon ?? but there are many things which you dont have and india have... Please be cool and concentrate on your problems find a better solution.... india is trying to do the same...

AHMED.ALI Aug 23, 2013 12:21pm

@Ahmer: Hello bhaiyaaa.. whenever the democratic government gets formed in PAK .. your PAK military starts giving trouble to NW government by way of violating ceasefire and putting the blame of Indian forces. so go and try to get control of your military and ISI.....or everything will go out of control... We have seen many target killings in Pakistan... Terrorisrts... everywhere... sure Pakistan is doomed to helll by the way it is progressing......So dont blame Indian forces.... Blame your own people.... mainly the ISI and Pak military for bringing chaos when the 2 countries government are trying to make peace... ISI and Pak military is planning to destabilise.... the peace processs.... your childish comments about threatening to use nuclear weapons is ...dangerous and we will not quietly... we will make PAKISTAN an NON-existent country in the WORLD MAP

Rao Aug 23, 2013 12:30pm

Earlier Indian Army used to restrain itself, because it is accountable to the defense ministry. Anthony has recently given them free hand to respond as required.

So there is quick punitive response to any Pakistani firing. Earlier Pak soldiers used to get away with cross border firing. They are getting it back with more force and causalities are mounting

Ravi Ingale from Pune Aug 23, 2013 12:34pm

Yesterday in Google news I read "Pakistan urges..." now in Pak-news tells "India urges...." Who is lie?. I think Pak tells lie to their citizens, because there are two Pak soldiers were killed including one captain on LoC. Final solution is the only option for such case. Hide and Seek is enough now.

zoro Aug 23, 2013 12:44pm

@Ahmer You have no choice but to Urge ... Even after going nuclear... U will be no more to URGE on this earts face .... what say ??

sanjeev Aug 23, 2013 12:55pm

@Ahmer: same to you

Cosmic Lion Aug 23, 2013 12:56pm

@Ahmer exactly what pak army wants. Civilians looking for support from army rather than their Govt.

Abhishek Tomar Aug 23, 2013 12:56pm

@Ahmer: Nuclear Threat? Considering your size, We will annihilate you!

aviratam Aug 23, 2013 01:02pm

@Ahmer: You're a mastermind, no question about it!

GN Aug 23, 2013 01:06pm

It's not India, but Pakistan who started ceasfire violation. 5 Indian Patrol soldiers were killed and then it is going on lke this. Please spread true news because only Truth Wins.

binod Aug 23, 2013 01:41pm

@Ahmer: dear mr.Ahmer both india & pakistan r having n arms. One may be 1st user, but can not stop another from retaliation. So if u say n word too many times, you may get a chance to use it and face the concequences

Abhishek Raj Aug 23, 2013 02:12pm

Plz stop this nonsence.. God plz give little brain to both india & pakistan...

Sahil Aug 23, 2013 02:22pm

@Ahmer: You guys are seriously far from realty. India is only reacting to unprovocative firing from your side.

We are a very peaceful nation but know how to defend ourselves at every step.

Let us have peaceful borders.

oh!! Aug 23, 2013 02:24pm

@Ahmer: we also have nuclear bombs

Stalin Aug 23, 2013 02:37pm

@Ahmer: Hi. Which world you are in !!! Even if you think of looking at the N Bomb; you will be anhilated. Go and read the newspapers where it has been categorically stated by the Indian ministry to this aspect.

sato fernando Aug 23, 2013 03:00pm

do you know what nuclear arsenal is?It is complete destruction of all south asia,they and us.Peace is the only way forward.

kamal Aug 23, 2013 03:10pm

@Ahmer: dude read the effect of radioactive material..

A Aug 23, 2013 03:15pm

@Ahmer: And how do u think India is going to react to a nuclear attack. I dont think that is the solution. If you look at Indian reports their claim is that Pakistan or maybe some elements have instigated this. How do you decide who is lying?

colin Aug 23, 2013 03:34pm

Ahmer... How would you make a "nuclear threat"against a heavily armed country with nuclear weapons and proven delivery platforms plus overwhelming superiority in conventional arms?Their economy is many times more strong than Pakistan and they could sustain a war of attrition for far longer.In 1999,Musharraf also tried the nuclear threat over Kargil but that did not get him far.Pakistan faced humiliation militarily in the local war theatre and politically in the wider world. Sustained,patient dialogue is much more pragmatic.

Amer Aug 23, 2013 04:10pm

This scenario is tantamounts to strategic failure on the part of our leadership, military, in particular, and, civil, in general. We should accept the reality that enemies dont need to talk, and if there is a need, then talk in the language understood by both. The Indians are speaking that language. What stops us?

Ragu Aug 23, 2013 04:13pm


Go ahead just try this. Nuclear threat???

Jai Kishore Aug 23, 2013 04:25pm

Use "nuclear weapon" against India and become part of the history in the world. A good feel for your Pakistan looking so beautiful as if "Sahara" has been extended fully with no traces except some historical monuments here and there to recall the sweet past. Good business for hospitals and feed for animals in Sahara.

Jon Aug 23, 2013 04:41pm

@Ahmer: Dont get wiped out

M. Emad Aug 23, 2013 04:54pm

Unlike other countries, Pakistan Foreign Office (FO) has no say in foreign policy matters. It is just like a cheap showpiece. Nobody cares FO.

Khan Aug 23, 2013 06:12pm

Why is our army response inadequate??

Ronald de Silva Aug 23, 2013 06:25pm

... "it was the third time since the hostilities began and for the second consecutive day that an Indian diplomat was summoned. All protests have so far gone unheeded".... OK so you shouldnt have allowed 5 Indian soldiers to be killed in the first place... then you wouldnt have had to call diplomats, or make protests, or see your soldiers being killed!

Arjun Aug 23, 2013 08:19pm

@Ahmer: As if Pakistan only got nuclears?? I am smiling at Ahmer intellect.

narendra Aug 23, 2013 10:05pm

Ahmer are you out of your mind ?

sandeep Aug 23, 2013 10:16pm

@Ahmer: Be in your pants dear. Be careful while you talk. You are not talking about your western border, rather its your eastern border that you are talking about.

muhibbewatan Aug 24, 2013 12:56am

There seems to be an air of arrogance on one side of the border which is the cause of all this discomforting situation. This, most certainly, bitter development all of a sudden brings great amounts of anxiety in the minds of the common man on both sides of the border. This 'mistrust' needs to stop here and now for the general upliftment of masses.

Rajan Panda Aug 24, 2013 05:31am

@Ahmer: The world knows where each country stands and how the current impasse on LOC has come to happen. Our sincere wish to all Patriotic Pakistanis, devote your energy to make your democratic government stronger, fight disinformation and hijacking of Paks future by the vested interests in Pak Army and ISI. Kayani seems to have his head in the right place so urge him to pursue non-aggressive policy towards India and Afghanistan. Pak is heading towards doom and time is running out before total chaos and annihilation takes over. Peace on the borders would help Pak to commit itself to clean up internal chaos and extremism, and grow it's economy for the benefit of all. India would rather have a educated, prosperous, moderate Pakistan as it's neighbor.

Ajaya K Dutt Aug 24, 2013 08:12am

Nuclear weapons. Sounds like Mush all over again. Same logic. So what my 300 are killed as long as I kill 500 of yours. So what if I do not gain any thing. As long as I hurt you.

BTW I am not sure if the end will be just Krispy India or may be just Krispy Pakistan (Coward bania has Anti Missile defence) or Krispy both of them. But I get shudder just thinking about. I am glad I am coward. At least I am a Human.

That, unfortunately is the difference in man and pathologically possessed whatever. Unfortunately (for India) many in Pakistan think Mush to be a hero, not a monster.

Raghu Aug 25, 2013 04:46pm

My sincere appeal to the Indian forces to come back to mainland India and take care of these rapists and Mafia's in bharat maata. Our streets are infested by these people so rather than us killing Pakistani soldiers I think we should look into our house first and clean the fiflth off our streets. Our women are being raped, poor people robbed off their life savings, homeless people dieing of Rat/ snake bites. we have the worst human rights record with atrocities on sikhs, tamils, muslims and even low caste hindus ( by the way I am a shudhra). Shame on the worlds largest Sham democracy for being so naive.... I am sad and am ashamed to be called an Indian. People here in America think of all indians/asian men as Perverts and rapists