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Ex-generals warn against humiliating Musharraf


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Former President (retd) General Pervez Musharraf.—File Photo

ISLAMABAD: As the complainant in the judges detention case filed another petition for the transfer of former president General (retired) Pervez Musharraf to the Central Jail Adiala, ex-generals warned that the army would not tolerate if the lawyers continued pushing their former chief to the wall.

The complainant in the judges detention case through his lawyer Chaudhry Mohammad Ashraf Gujjar maintained in the petition filed with the Islamabad High Court that after dismissal of the pre-arrest bail petition of Mr Musharraf, chief commissioner Islamabad Tariq Mehmood Pirzada and inspector general of Islamabad police Bani Amin Khan had extended undue favour to the former president by declaring his Chak Shahzad farmhouse as a sub-jail.

The petition said the accused did not join the investigation despite the court directions. Mr Musharraf was a proclaimed offender and being an accused in a terrorism-related offence, he was not entitled to being kept at a place other than the Adiala Jail.

He requested the court to set aside the notification of April 20 according to which the residence of the former general has been declared as a sub-jail.

When contacted, Qamar Afzal, the counsel for Mr Musharraf, said the lawyers were dragging the former president in the courts for their own publicity.

He alleged that during the hearings the lawyers did not maintain the decorum of the court and passed unethical remarks and even used abusive language against the former president of Pakistan.

According to him, the lawyers trying to humiliate the former president wanted to get publicity by indulging in such unethical practices.

Talking to Dawn, defence analyst General (retired) Jamshed Ayaz said the military was closely monitoring the situation. He said at least nine corps commanders currently serving in the army were promoted during the Musharraf regime.

He claimed that Musharraf still enjoyed support within the army ranks and the incumbent army chief General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani should play a role to save Mr Musharraf from such a humiliation.

“Otherwise Musharraf’s sympathisers may intervene to rescue the former military chief,” he added.

General (retired) Faiz Ali Chishti, the president of the ex-servicemen society, was of the view that Musharraf has to face the court in case he had done something wrong but the lawyers should not be allowed to treat him as a criminal.

“An accused, in the eye of law, remains innocent until or unless he is proved guilty,” he said, adding after proving the charge against the accused courts announce its verdicts and it was executed by the law enforcement agencies and the lawyers’ role was only to assist the courts.

But in the case of former president Gen Musharraf, the black coats are trying to take the law into their own hands which is not acceptable, he further said.

There was, however, some division among the ex-servicemen over the treatment of Mr Musharraf. Brigadier (retired) Mian Mohammad Mehmood, a representative of retired army officers association, claimed that there was no sympathy for Gen Musharraf within the ex-servicemen. He said Musharraf was reaping what he had sown in 2007 when he sacked the judges of the superior judiciary.

“We were with the lawyers and the civil society during the movement for restoration of the judges and rendered sacrifices for the supremacy of the law,” said Brig Mehmood.

He, however, added that the lawyers should show decency during the appearance of Mr Musharraf in the courts to prove that they had fought for the supremacy of the law and let the court to decide the fate of the former dictator.

Former chief of the army staff General (retired) Aslam Baig, on the other hand, said the army would not tolerate these developments after a certain level.

He told Dawn that certain quarters were encouraging the lawyers against the former military chief. “Otherwise they could not dare to humiliate the former COAS who ruled the country for more than a decade,” he added.

According to him, certain elements laid a trap for Musharraf while he was abroad by giving him an impression through the social media that the whole country was waiting for him and he would be warmly welcomed upon arrival in Pakistan.

After his arrival, planned and coordinated efforts are being made to humiliate him and to provoke the military by dragging the institution into unnecessary litigation along with Gen Musharraf, he added.

“The situation may turn dangerous if the lawyers continued to humiliate the former military chief and tried to drag the institution into the courts,” he added.

According to senior analyst Ayesha Siddiqa, army had tried to stop Gen Musharraf from coming back to Pakistan but the former general ignored the advice.

She said the army would not come to his rescue because it would again destroy its image if it tried any adventure.

The army after consistent efforts is restoring its image and to some extent has achieved certain targets and it cannot undo this for the sake of Mr Musharraf, she added.

Senior journalist Imtiaz Gul also thought that army would not step into the controversy just to rescue Musharraf.

He said the violent act of black coats was itself damaging their repute in the public as it appeared that instead of the courts they were intending to punish Musharraf for his wrongdoings.

Syed Qalbe Hassan, the vice-chairman of Pakistan Bar Council (PBC), the apex body of the lawyers, said the Supreme Court was examining the ‘high treason’ charges against Musharraf and senior lawyers were presenting their arguments for and against the former military ruler before the apex court.

He said ‘a few lawyers’ under their ‘hidden agenda’ were bringing a bad name to the entire legal fraternity by humiliating the former general.

They are pressuring Musharraf because they wanted him to leave the country without facing the trial, he added.

He suggested that Musharraf should be tried for 1999 coup and those generals and judges who facilitated and validated his unconstitutional steps in 1999 and in 2007 would be dealt with in accordance with the law.

Comments (147) Closed

Riaz Apr 23, 2013 08:27pm
The Answer is to vote for PTI, the only realistic hope of genuine change; as for the rest of political set up, you have heard and seen it all before. When people repeat the same mistake, the outcome will inevitably be the same.
Atif Apr 23, 2013 05:33pm
Its not chief justice its called cheap justice. Where are the cases of his son. Where is his own reference sent to supreme judicial council at the time of Shaukat Aziz. Which the made a hill out of a mole.
rashid Apr 23, 2013 05:44pm
Long live musharraf.. army should issue warning notice to all stake-holders, be it media, judiciary or the lawyers that enough is enough, stop humiliating our general!! its high time!
Muhammad Kamran Arain Apr 24, 2013 11:42am
Start from anywhere but start, First Musharraf then start going Backwards to the rest.
Raja Islam Apr 23, 2013 05:50pm
The semi literate generals believe that it is their God given right to rule. Musharraf violated the constitution and he should be tried as any other criminal.
Magister Ludi Apr 24, 2013 02:54pm
To quote Alice this is situation is getting "Curiouser and Curiouser"
Haider Ali Apr 24, 2013 12:03pm
please use nice language while commenting about anyone
Gandhian Apr 24, 2013 03:31pm
With due respect to the Generals and Army Officers supporting Musharraf I have to remind them that, initially Musharraf was overwhelmingly supported by majority of Pakistanis. If Musharraf will rule with honest team will remain a popular ruler for a long time. But ruthlessly betraying the trust and aspiration of the people he started ruling as a ruthless King and with same top corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, many of them being indicted by the NAB and Courts. Then he deposed and captivated all the top 50 judges with their family members. His abrogation of constitution, emergency, NRO are acts of treason under all the canons of justice?
Abdullah Hussain Apr 23, 2013 07:12am
Musharraf has willingly returned to Pakistan to face the charges, until proven guilty he is innocent. Musharraf should be treated with dignity.
Mohammad Apr 23, 2013 01:07pm
He is a great man and pakistan was economically strong under his rule. Better than any islamic extremist or corrupt people like Zardari or Sharifs......!
Pakistan First Apr 23, 2013 09:41pm
The most basic law of justice is that when there is a dispute between two individuals or groups, a third "neutral" individual or group should be appointed to decide between the two. People understood and followed this system even in stone age. But it seems like the judicial system in Pakistan is even more backwards than the stone age people.
Edwardian Apr 23, 2013 07:25pm
Let them both have same cell.
Khan Apr 23, 2013 03:28pm
Musharraf will be humiliated and punish as he is not son of the soil, how dare he misbehave with the punjabi CJ the rulers and owners of Pakistan
Rashid Apr 23, 2013 10:56pm
Which world you live in MR, let me first laught a said Musharraf got rid of corrupt politicans. In fact he gathered the most corrupt politians from both PPP and N league and established a puppet govt. All the ex ministers of PPP and N league were given two choices, either become a misnister again or go to jain. get your facts right.
ANWAR SHAH Apr 23, 2013 04:54pm
Pakistani army still need to wait a little more and if humilation is continue to Musharaf sb than it must interfare and teach lasson to all rogue lawyer and biased judge for humilating a great man who had devote his entire life for the development of pakistan . Long live Musharaff we love u...
Rizwan e Alam Apr 24, 2013 12:00pm
Musharaaf deserves a fair trial but not an exceptional one. His bail is cancelled by the court. Where normally such accused is placed? Resident sub jail? Lal masjid and Nawab Bugti cases were govt. security related issues where Musharaaf did not seems to be solely responsible. After action .govt did the reaction. B.Bhutto case is tricky . Courts need to find out if he was involved in her murder. However , terminating judiciary. threatening a sitting CJ judge, reimpossing Marshall law, curbing Media, invoking pressure and Lathi charge on lawyers cannot go unpunished.
Ahmed Apr 23, 2013 05:57pm
25 thumbs down calling for an end to dictatorship as of now! Either Pakistanis are born slaves who want a man at the top dictating what they do, or else these website has been turned into a tool for those who seek to enslave Pakistanis by bringing back dictatorship.
Bakka Apr 23, 2013 04:44pm
Although I believe that everyone should be given a fair trial but lets not feel sorry for this dictator.
Muhammad Kamran Arain Apr 24, 2013 02:42pm
That says it all
Samina Apr 23, 2013 06:35pm
No one is saying that General is above the law but trying only Gen Musharraf means judges who gave him powers to change constitutions, politicians who supported his regime are abobe the law. No one dare tough them because they have apologized but so have Musharraf, he admitted he made some mistake
Bakka Apr 23, 2013 05:12pm
We are lucky to have someone like the current CJ ; although not an angel but much better than likes of Musharraf and Zardari.
Bakka Apr 23, 2013 05:05pm
Name me a single General that has ever been held accountable? This suggest to me that either they are angles or above the law.
Omer Irfan Kayani Apr 23, 2013 05:09pm
Wind is sown and whirlwind to be reaped is not that far fetched.
sohailrasheed Apr 23, 2013 07:08pm
Musharaf is real hero
Khota Apr 23, 2013 11:25pm
What an imaginary problem.
Bakka Apr 23, 2013 05:14pm
It wasn't a prosperity but false economic prosperity due to USA hand out.
Haider Ali Apr 24, 2013 12:04pm
Shah sb, shame on you on supporting such a bad man like Mushy...!!!
Pakistani Apr 23, 2013 04:36pm
No Army person can ever do any good for a country. I really feel sorry for people's lack of understanding of why nations fail. An dictator's rule, no matter how good it looks, stops country's development and sends the country decades back. If you want to see your country progressing, let the democracy take its pace and chose honest people like Imran Khan. India never let any army person take over and in spite of all the problems, look where is it headed.
Khota Apr 23, 2013 11:34pm
Saved Pakistan form going to stone age, instead took it to mud age.
Kausik Apr 23, 2013 11:39pm
so the drum beat has began.Pakistan has to get rid of old ghost shadows of Military dictatorship vs Democracy in a clean fashion.1) you are innocent till proven why arrest Musharraf take his passport and prevent him from leaving country2)Bring charges and prosecute with open public hearing via tv and media.3)Do not be afraid to wash dirty linen in public that is only way a Democracy redeems itself.4)all this sabre rattling by other Generals will stop if all of them subpoena as witnesses in court of Law there is no humiliation greater than hiding Truth.I hope Pakistan realizes the dream of Democratic rule
Billoo Bhaya Apr 24, 2013 12:12am
All those Generals who talk of mounting a coup to rescue should also be arrested and hanged with him for treason. I remember Hashmi spent long years in jail for a far lesser expense during General Dictator's rule. Now they don;t like the medicine they gave to the rest of us.
Bilgrami Apr 24, 2013 12:27am
Once some one said " The only good lawyer is a dead lawyer". I used to hold judiciary in Pakistan at a very high esteem, but after witnessing the judiciary since the Gen. Musharraf rule, I completely agree with it. From top to bottom, this is the most corrupt institution in Pakistan even worse than the politicians.
AK Apr 24, 2013 12:56am
Gen. (r) Jamshed Ayaz, Musharaf is accused of Treason and other charges like murder of not one, but two politicians. He is not accused of petty misdemeanor theaft charges. Such persons in the west are kept in Federal Cells, not under house arrest. Some active Congressmen in the West were hand cuffed and sent to prison for doing lessor criminal act. Gen. (r) Faiz A. Chishti, should a civilian or Sepoy or an Airman be house arrest if he does the same act? Seems like you are not very sincere with the country, just army and that too only Generals, becasue you are one. What a shame, that you were appointed to a position which does not suite your morality. Brig. Gen. Mian M. Mehmood, you are correct, and let the judiciary do its thing. Gen. (r) Aslam Baig. you are also not very clean. Some one in SC should take you to task too. You are not above the law. It is that there are some people who are worse than you, and they are being dealt with. Your turn will come too, when there is a clean civilian government. I am also a son of the Military Family, but not from a corrupt one. AK
maria khattak Apr 24, 2013 01:03am
very well said.
Muhammad Kamran Arain Apr 24, 2013 11:45am
Including Musharraf
Haider Ali Apr 24, 2013 12:18pm
Very well said, 100% true...!
Haider Ali Apr 24, 2013 12:14pm
Very well said.
Haider Ali Apr 24, 2013 12:15pm
Shame on you too...!!!
Haider Ali Apr 24, 2013 12:13pm
Very well said.
Aman Apr 23, 2013 07:15pm
Lawyers should act nicely like educated civilized society otherwise, such behaviour might engulf them in future. One should be realistic rather than emotional. General Musharraf did a lot for Pakistan apart from few blunders and court is there to decide. Moreover, people from all segments of the society must play their positive role to bring maturity in the nation, especially BLACK COATS.
Dr. Afzal Apr 23, 2013 03:57pm
Dr. Afzal Apr 23, 2013 03:58pm
Aamir Apr 23, 2013 03:13pm
Generals need to stay calm as they were calm when Musharaf was humiliating whole nation. Why they never spoke about anything when nation was being humiliated. Let the law of land to take its turn according to the constitution. No one is above the law including Generals.
Shahpur Apr 23, 2013 03:14pm
No that is the solution. Look at the news and people reaction. Musharraf has already made a difference, by coming back. It is just the start.
thoughtpurification Apr 23, 2013 03:14pm
Why not start with Ghulam Muhammad , Ayub and Munir.
asad Apr 23, 2013 05:15am
Thank you General sahab! at least someone has made a statement
Rahmat Apr 23, 2013 04:28pm
General Musharraf destroyed Pakistan's image. Contrary to the perception that Pakistan was respected when the general was in power, Pakistan was considered a banana republic dancing to the tune of the United States. There was a popular joke going around that once President Bush called the general, general picked up the phone and the line soon went dead. When the White House inquired immediately what happened, an aide to the general came on line saying -"Sahib put down the phone as he stood up to salute President Bush". So much for the general. Having said this, image of Pakistan will only be burnished bright if the dignity of court is maintained and every evidence considered on its merit. Meanwhile other general should not be making open or veiled threats. Army is subservient to the people of the republic who are the employers. Army works for the people and not the other way round. Pakistan has brilliant men and women quite capable of leading the nation to its triumph and glory while uupholding principles of universal justice, freedom for all. It is time to take charge folks.
shan Apr 23, 2013 09:27am
Of all the dictators ( both civlian and miltary ) who ruled our country after the murder of Liaqat Ali Khan; I consider Parveez Musshraf among the least guilty. Is it not the time now to draw the line under and focus on the future ! hope the election of 11th May bring the best and the start of real democracy!
Anonymous Apr 23, 2013 01:25pm
You got any evidences? Then please share and enlighten us. Its like a case of guilty unless proven innocent. The civil dictators today are worse than what he could ever be.
Arif Apr 23, 2013 04:03pm
Long live Musharraf, Truth is coming out , I want all the TV anchors to apologize on TV for bashing Musharraf for years on lal masjid. The commission report is out and i see media is not even mentioning the report. Pathetic judiciary and pathetic media.
Gul Apr 23, 2013 03:19pm
If Musharraf was from Punjab he would not have gone thru this, just look at Nawaz Sharif his brother Shebaz and party's MNAs and MPAs what they have done in the past yet they are enjoying no one says anything about them.
atif azad Apr 23, 2013 03:20pm
mushraf shud be punished severly for his crimes and made a lesson for all other generals ex or presently serving.
atif azad Apr 23, 2013 03:22pm
army has only role to protect the borders for which they are paid for, they shud jst be there, and musharaf shud be severly punished to make an example for all other misaventures that cud come in future from army.
Haider Ali Apr 23, 2013 03:26pm
Gen (rtd) Aslam beig should also be tried for his involvement in Asghar khan's case
hyderphd74 Apr 24, 2013 03:39pm
All the above named generals, too, will never admit that they are from a corrupt military family!
Khalid Apr 23, 2013 02:53pm
I am sorry but it is ignorants like you who have no idea how much progress Pakistan had made during his presidency. Pakistan's economy was doing so well that foreign investors were Qing up to invest in Pakistan. Growth rate was hovering around 8% and above all Pakistanis had hope for a better future. That never happened in Pakistan before his time.I have been living in London for 26 years and only during his time, I seriously thought about returning to Pakistan and starting business there. Of course he made mistakes but no one has ever said that he was corrupt. No one. Your outburst wihtout any reason just goes to show that Pakistan has never appreciated great people like Musharraf, because we are used to being ruled by corrupt politicians like Sharifs, Bhuttos and Zardaris.
Hasnain Haque Apr 23, 2013 02:54pm
I dont support any dictators but I must add that under Musharaf the country was a better place. , It prospered and probably had the best prime minister and other ministers who were chosen for their skills rather than their ability to loot. Whatever Musharaf did should be should be done in accordance with the law and dignity. far too often Pakistan has a become a society of revenge and vendetta, officials should concentrate on making the country better and not seeking revenge. The cycle of revenge never ends and in the meantime the the country and its people pay a heavy price.
AAA Apr 23, 2013 09:30am
Yes I Completly agree with Abdul Kader Ahmed. Further I want To add that "abdul Hakeem Khan is a cheap lawyer. Rather I do not consider this person as a lawyer
extinct Apr 23, 2013 05:04am
Yup there is still a pulse... :)
Pakistani Apr 23, 2013 03:29pm
Army is the most corrupt institution in Pakistan as it has highest percentage of budget allocated to it plus it also is involved in the biggest deals be it of weapons or land and its all unaudited that's way you don't get know about there corruption cases. Army takes oath to uphold constitution of Pakistan and protect our borders and stop terrorism but it is has failed in both situations.
Syed Apr 23, 2013 06:57am
This is very clear now. It is no justice, simply it is a case of revenge. The judge in IHC who issued arrest instructions for Musharraf, was previously the lawyer for Lal Masjid. Is this not self explanatory ?
F Khan Apr 23, 2013 06:50am
The opinion of the Vice Chairman PBC that the judges who validated the 1999 coup must also be tried in accordance with law is a very serious statement and cannot be ignored. It also follows from his opinion that the generals who were consulted in 2007 must also be hauled into court including those in office today
Amjad Wyne Apr 23, 2013 01:58pm
When Musharraf took over in 1999, people danced and distributed sweets in the streets. It was a welcome relief for a nation sick and tired of the civilian governments, the politicians, the judiciary and everyone else in between. We are again getting there - military may not take over but this time but someone needs to nail the judiciary and the current politicians to the wall.
Arif A.Khan Apr 23, 2013 01:41pm
Let the Law take its course but let me remind the crows that humiliating him will be something each one of them will always repent for the rest of their lives!
Asad Ali Shah Apr 23, 2013 09:52am
totally agree with Fazal Karim
Pakistani Apr 23, 2013 01:42pm
i think General (retired) Aslam Baig should also be sent to adiala jail for his role in asghar khan case.
aarfa Apr 23, 2013 01:39pm
no justice in islami countries-sorry power means jaustice
Fazal Karim Apr 23, 2013 06:21am
I would like to bring to the attention of lawyers and lovers of justice that millions of cases are pending for decades in High Courts, Session courts and other lover courts. If Chef Justice can order Sindh Police to finish/ eliminate no go areas in Karachi in one week, he should take immediate measures to stop corruption from lower courts and hear and dispose of all pending cases in one week. Why is media and politicians silent about this.
Fazal Karim Apr 23, 2013 06:12am
The champions of democracy and rule of law should know that in Pakistan democracy has very weak roots because the leaders who ruled through democracy have proved to be incompetent and corrupt. There was never improvement in the life of common man. They should not try to disturb statoscope till they prove their worth as is done in Turkey.
fraz Apr 23, 2013 05:35am
He can humiliate anyone but he can't be humiliated even though he completely deserve it
nayyer Apr 23, 2013 05:38am
"He told Dawn that certain quarters were encouraging the lawyers against the former military chief.
Mudassar Apr 23, 2013 02:05pm
Musharraf is a hero, we progressed a lot economically during his time. If he has done wrong, he must be brought to book but what has been happening to him is a travesty of justice, so called guardians of law are taking the law in their own hand. Shame on selective justice!
Muhammad Ahmed Mufti Apr 23, 2013 02:02pm
Making a lesson out of Musharraf is pure hypocrisy. There are many in all segments of society who collaborated in martial law governments. Most of the prominent judges, lawyers, doctors, engineers, professors and politicians are guilty of this sin. Pakistan is facing much larger issues ahead and the national focus must be towards addressing these challenges. Let the courts decide Musharraf
Usman Apr 23, 2013 05:53am
Whatever Musharraf had done, he is not a petty criminal. Did these lawyers dare raise their voices against Pakistan's feudals? Or against Mumtaz Qadri, the murderer who was showered with rose petals. Lawyers better learn their place, and fast. Otherwise,....
Armughan Apr 23, 2013 06:08am
Mirza Aslam Baig's words "Army chief who ruled the country for over 10 years". he should have buried his head somewhere in shame before supporting such a person especially after what he has done to destroy this nation.
Javed Apr 23, 2013 05:31am
Judges who are a party against Musharraf, how come it's lawful to allow those same judges to hear Musharraf's case and give a verdict? This is not rule of law, this is rule of lawyers. What do you expect from the Islamabad high-court judge who was protesting against Musharraf in 2007? This happens only in Pakistan.
ABDUL KADER AHMED Apr 23, 2013 04:55am
Musharaff did not stage the coup. He was not in Pakistan and in fact he was neither on land. He was airborne and the then rulers wanted the plane to crash to kill him and other hundred plus passengers. It were the lower ranks which staged the coup and made Musharaff as the supreme head of the new order. That's it.
Ahmed Apr 23, 2013 04:46am
Why they tried to be above law? What is special about their stature? If they will kept on denying the natural course of correction there will be sudden impact of rectification.
Muhib Apr 23, 2013 04:48am
M H ASIF Apr 23, 2013 09:40am
Certain forces appear to be trying to create confusion with hidden motives by staging anti Musharraf scenes in front of the courts. The courts have the authority to stop such scenes. The dignity of the courts is at stake too. Let the law take its wise courase in its own time.
Michael Malcolm Apr 23, 2013 10:00am
For such an act by the then ruler Nawab Sharif he should be taken for treason against the COAS of the Army. But how can he be who climbed the walls of the Judiciary and insulted and now seeking to become another failed Prime Minister. Lawyers wake up and pull your black coats up and dont ridicule yourself and your fellowmen.
Umair Apr 23, 2013 03:53am
Ahan, so it is ok for the military to mishandle, jail and even execute serving prime ministers and judges, but if an attempt is made, under law, to book a military dictator who glaringly mutilated the constitution without an iota of remorse, it cannot be tolerated? I mean wow, what a brilliant argument. Bravo !!!
chilibean Apr 23, 2013 03:40am
musharraf embarrassed himself, not the other way as suggested. the generals should be arrested for this is a threat to law and order. the 50,000 people sacrificed by the military shows it is incompetent and are incapable of leadership. would an honorable person attack a mosque full of children and young adults? as pakistan allowed raymond davis to go, it will be no surprise if musharraf escapes hanging which he deserves.
Shan Apr 23, 2013 03:28am
Really..... The days of dictator is over... We need civilian supremacy...
Anonymous Apr 23, 2013 01:32pm
Its like guilty unless proven innocent. I fail to understand how these people who lived in his era, prospered so much, but then say it was destruction of the nation. Minus his tenure from the history of the country, and you'll know what destruction is.
mak Apr 23, 2013 03:06am
Please don't support dual justice Remember Hazat Umar relieved khalid bin Walid from power ( Supreme General ) . Generals are servants not masters .
Shair Khan Apr 23, 2013 03:08am
Justice can only happen when the criminal Judges are also tried for treason. What is good for goose is good for the gander. Musharraf should be tried for 1999 coup and those generals and judges who facilitated and validated his unconstitutional steps in 1999 and in 2007 would be dealt with in accordance with the law.
Shair Khan Apr 23, 2013 03:10am
Musharraf should be tried for 1999 coup and those generals and judges who facilitated and validated his unconstitutional steps in 1999 and in 2007 would be dealt with in accordance with the law
Agha Ata (USA) Apr 23, 2013 01:30pm
Since Musharraf was a general, therefore above the law. Is that what generals are saying? They could have given better arguments in his favor, for example, that punishing him would be punishing the PRESIDENT of Pakistan that creates an undesirable image of the country. But to say that he shouldn't be tried because there are people in the army who like him, or that would be dragging an institution into the court of law, are bad arguments and a very bad logic. If Bhutto, an elected prime minister and could be tried and sentenced, why cant a general be tried, too? generals please change your mindset. Do not give an impression that nation is democratic by nature, but generals are not. Please remember, people respect the army for being with them!
Michael Malcolm Apr 23, 2013 10:07am
Who said they are servants. Absolutely not, they are the people who saves the civilians in time of any need and can also teach the civilians how to behave themselves by it anyone in any authority. Arm from an uneducated soldier to General are all disciplined to the teeth. You need education to understand all this.
Haider Ali Apr 23, 2013 03:33pm
Please stop threatening anyone.
Shahid Abbas Apr 23, 2013 01:05pm
Its unbelievable that present judisiary would ever dare to question Musharaf's 1999 coup as everyone knows who rescued or facilitated him then.
Salim Apr 23, 2013 12:19pm
We must treat everyone with respect and dignity not Musharraf alone and everone must support that. Musharraf sympthesiers and ex army generals must stop threatening us about the conquences as Generals are not the only one who must be treated with respect. Did ex-generals treated elected leaders of the country with any repect (Bhutto, NS etc). Do we remember how they treated Javid Hashmi, Khawja Saad Rafiq and a long list of very nice people nearly beaten to death. Please stop threatening and say that we must treat everyone with respect.
Akhtar Apr 23, 2013 01:48pm
Saved Pakistan from going to stone age, that's what he has done; go punish him for this.
hyderphd74 Apr 24, 2013 03:50pm
Those who deserve nice language, do get nice language! Nice language is not the right of the occupant of a chair of authority. One has to deserve to get treated nicely. Simply being a choudhry is not a sufficient criteria!
Mo Apr 23, 2013 11:27am
Interesting.. considering the fact that the lawyers and judiciary of Pakistan is one of its most corrupt institutions. Those living in glass houses, should not throw stones....
Sohail Pirzada Apr 23, 2013 01:47pm
very well said....... nobody should be above the law......
Mansoor A Qureshi Apr 23, 2013 10:42am
Musharaf, Generals, Politicians, Judges and Bureaucrats they all are above the law and law is only for a common poor Pakistanis, hype is in phase of creation will happen nothing what I think is Musharaf is the cause of this present worsen situation at my home land, he made a deal made NRO and left scum to rule over Pakistan, all his fault and all these corrupt people must be hanged publicly.
Imran A. Apr 23, 2013 02:15pm
The problem is that if Musharaf is tried with a full bench, he will come out clean. And when he comes out, all those against him will be running for their lives. That's the problem.
Sohail Pirzada Apr 23, 2013 01:45pm
seems to be the case....
Aamir Apr 23, 2013 10:42am
If any media website or news channel wants to get an idea of what the public thinks i.e. is the public for President Musharraf or against him?....just read these comments. Overwhelming majority supports him. Long Live Musharraf. Shame on judiciary.
kam Apr 23, 2013 10:49am
What destruction? Increasing GDP, Foriegn reserves from $750million to $17,000million- an increase of over 2000%, Doubling Pakistani exports, doubling our universities, creating NAB, NADRA, HEC, SECP,?? You are indeed a typical Pakistani- not giving credit where its due. The only mess he created was NRO and holding elections in 2002. He should have dispensed with the politicians or the very least implimented article 62/63 in those and 2007 elections.
Shaikh Haider Apr 23, 2013 10:43am
As it is going with General Musharraf, it is from ALMIGHTY ALLAH who made him the Ruler of Pakistan but he had ruled on the peoples of Pakistan like a FIROWN. If you do not believe me please take and see all recorded debates, speeches & films of the medias. He should be punished what he has done.
MI5 Apr 23, 2013 02:23pm
Its funny how in the frenzy of events that tend to take place now and again in Pakistan one tends to forget which powers actually control the flimsy strings that make things happen here. When Musharraf exited Pakistan's control seat, if you remember there were lengthy negotiations and various guarantor's put in place which included the Pak army, USA, Saudi Arabia and the UK. Musharraf was promised there would be no recrimination towards him, I believe those parties are waiting until things get really serious before they step in to honour their commitments and understand this that all these parties will one by one come on the scene as and when required to do so.
Alan H. Sheffield Apr 23, 2013 07:55am
If Musharraf is tried then all the judges who gave legal cover to his military coup should be arrested and tried. Also all the politicians and others who supported him and joined him should be arrested and tried. - Alan H. Sheffield
Zahid Hussain Apr 23, 2013 12:25pm
Better Musharaf should set an example that we all pay for our mistakes.
Raj Apr 23, 2013 11:45am
Yes. Many of the judges and politicians who swore allegiance to Musharraf's new orders and regime became willing collaborators and so accomplices. They must tried too.
Khawar Khyam Apr 23, 2013 12:25pm
Does it mean that top brass military men are above the law?.
Pakistani Apr 24, 2013 03:48pm
Let justice be done though the heavens fall...
Farhan Akhtar Apr 23, 2013 11:10am
Lawyers are biggest liars and pro terrorists. These same traitors showered rose petals on a murdurer Mumtaz Qadri. Shame on them.
TZS Apr 23, 2013 12:49pm
Last Paragraph Sums it all ..."He suggested that Musharraf should be tried for 1999 coup and those generals and judges who facilitated and validated his unconstitutional steps in 1999 and in 2007 would be dealt with in accordance with the law."
Azam Chowdhry USA Apr 23, 2013 12:56pm
Most of the Lawyers and judges are most corrupt in Pakistan. Musharraf got rid of corrupt politicians and judges and helped Pakistan progress . He is one of the most loyal Pakistani and is well respected in the world as a person of integrity who is anti terrorism, and these people in black coats are calling him a terrorist. What a shame.
ghairatmand Apr 23, 2013 01:13pm
Couldn't agree more, very well put.
Muhammad Shabbir Apr 23, 2013 01:10pm
Humiliation of Gen (r) can never be tolerated, especially by those claim to be law-bearer.
jkhan80 Apr 23, 2013 11:07am
other generals are worried about their own fate now...
ghairatmand Apr 23, 2013 01:14pm
This guy should be charged for everything in addition to his drone policy.
Farhan Apr 23, 2013 02:40pm
I think all this article says is that Lawyers should not pass derogatory comments or try to humiliate Musharraf, This could lead to military stepping in etc... No where anyone said that he should not be tried because Army likes him
Shahpur Apr 23, 2013 11:24am
Peoples comments are very educational. Thanks to internet.
NGuard Apr 24, 2013 02:30am
Military is not above the laws of the land and therefore these so called generals must stay within their limits. Military in Pakistan is not popular among the masses as it used to during FM Ayub Khan.
Haider Ali Apr 23, 2013 03:31pm
Have generals come form heavens? And army should try to correct its role, I think after Mushy's trial Hammod-ur-Rehaman commission case should be started again and Pak army's role should be evaluated in the east Pakistan tragedy, we have not yet forgotten our 90 thousand brave heroes who surrendered against the Indian Army. A very shameful history ...!!!
Hussain Ahmed Apr 23, 2013 02:33pm
No body said u shouldn't be tried " He should But what lawyers are doing Just unacceptable .. it makes me believe Musharraf was right in 2007 when he crack down lawyers
Sab Se Pehle Pakistan Apr 23, 2013 02:36pm
When will the army wake up :-(. My heart cries When will you take action. This is limit of humiliation to a General who has not lead the army but the country as well. He devoted his entire life for the country. Now biased, corrupt and politicized judiciary humiliating him. Look where the country was under his leadership. Look where we are now. We don't want this so called corrupt democracy. Army takes the oath to protect us. Now please protect us from these corrupt politicians living in their palaces and claiming to be SHARIF people of Pakistan. Please rescue us. Love Pakistan Army. Sab se Pehle Pakistan
robert Apr 24, 2013 02:15am
Any other civilized country, Musharraf would be sent to the gallows for what he had done. By these comments, however, Pakistan has a long way to go before civilization touches it..
M. S. Alvi Apr 24, 2013 01:49am
Sooner the better.
ayub Apr 24, 2013 01:43am
He was far better than his successors. He deserves to be given fair treatment. The problems of Pakistan are not new but dates back to Mughul era. Of course, the British era brought some relief to the people in the shape of infrastructure and education but after the so called independence, the country came into the hands of incompetent rulers whose successors continue reign till date.
guest Apr 24, 2013 01:30am
i highly respect Gen. Musharraf, a very patriotic man.
Mohammad Ahmed Apr 24, 2013 01:28am
@Sk Haider, you said Musharraf ruled like a Firown..I like to remind you that he let the people speak their mind in front of the ruler. Remember some guy kakard in a public forum he ask questions nobody ask in front the ruler. Like you take over the govt when your job is to look after he borders. Many more questions like that. Don't take revenge on Musharraf. His era was wonderful coz he take tough decisions and tough decisions are not popular.
Xulf Apr 24, 2013 01:23am
MI5 Apr 23, 2013 02:30pm
The most corrupt institution in Pakistan is the Law enforcement agencies and the judiciary comes a close second, I don't say this out of any animosity towards both but more in view of the thousands of innocent and helpless pakistani's that have suffered at their hands. One has to only go to the Katcharri's of Pakistan to witness the justice being metted to individuals. If they truly represented the aspirations of the ordinary people then my allegiance would be with them but unfortunately that is not so.
sajjad Apr 24, 2013 08:30am
Musharraf will inshallah rule Again!
hyderphd74 Apr 24, 2013 03:42pm
All the above named generals, too, believe they are not from a corrupt military family !
hyderphd74 Apr 24, 2013 03:43pm
Well said !
Gulbaz Mushtaq Apr 24, 2013 07:42pm
We, the people of Pakistan, warn the generals not to disrupt the judicial process. Otherwise, we will come to rescue our country's constitution and institutions. And you too will be brouht to justice.
marghoob ahmed siddiqui Apr 24, 2013 07:43pm
It is not only insulting for Parvez Musharraf but also for Pakistan Army, whose ex chief is being insulted like that. What Mr.Kiyani is thinking and why he is silent?
Homeland Apr 24, 2013 01:03pm
in which movie?
Homeland Apr 24, 2013 01:04pm
try that
Homeland Apr 24, 2013 01:11pm
you are being watched
Jim Bo Apr 25, 2013 12:11am
I applaud the sentiments and love of this writer. What he fails to rationalize and understand is that chosen leaders come and go, but nations stay. During their tenures, each elected leader should be held accountable for his misdeeds, while he is recognized for his goodness. Goodness is not commendable, but expected, whereas misdeeds are not expected and should be punishable. The Judiciary is fulfilling its role as an institution that was set up by the parliament, which is reflected by the elected politicians. It is these politicians who passed laws that if the same Parliament does not uphold, then and only then does the Supreme Court come to action. For individual preferences, Judiciary can not be sidelined. Days of dictatorship are over. Now, about the only "saviour" is the Supreme Court. Its actions shall (by law) will have to be transparent for all of Pakistan to see. Don't forget our neighbor's Supreme Court ordered the Italian Govt. to send back those Italian servicemen found to be guilty of murdering Indian civilians. This message was loud and clear and implemented. Likewise, let us also stand up for justice.
Jim Bo Apr 24, 2013 11:57pm
I agree with Shair Khan. But stop! It has to begin with tackling the top brass. If convicted, the other generals, judges and politicians, who were co-conspirators should be next inline. Let the country stand up for what is right and let the ax fall one after the other. This is the fervent desire of every sincere Pakistani, intellect, farmer or laborer.
Jim Bo Apr 24, 2013 11:45pm
Well said. The generals are supposed to defend the country, not dictate the Supreme Court who is doing what the Parliament has mandated it to do in the laws passed by the elected officials. There is no room for threats. There shouldn't be a camaraderie when it comes to rule of law. This time around, the Supreme Court could play a vital role to put this country, long fleeced by the Army and the "Seasoned" politicians, on its right path. Whether Musharraf is guilty or not, let the law decide. Who are the Generals to dictate what the verdict SHOULD be? I do, however, agree that the miscreant lawyers in protest, should be sternly stopped from their behavior, which is both disrespectful to a former President and embarrassing to the world. Let us all stand to good behavior and earn respect of the world as a nation that stands-up for justice. Apr 24, 2013 06:52pm
Pakistan is a different country now. Musharaff and his ilk belong to the past....its a clean sweep for Democracy. Coups wont be tolerated.
Ahmer Apr 24, 2013 06:50pm
The generals have not only a right but a duty to come to the rescue of their former COAS when he is being humiliated unfairly. It is a pity though that only those that belong to his own ethnic background are speking up for him.
Kausik Apr 24, 2013 10:30pm
Pakistan must listen to retired air chief Asgar khan brutally honest on role played by military since 1947 as all the 4 wars of disaster were brought by army and twisted history books but still independent impartial journalists like sethi,nfp,honest generals and air marshal khan with intimate knowledge as witnesses testified the folly of Military dictatorships major one being Kargil by Musharraf.Pakistan must wake up get rid of autocracy stick to Democracy for open society.
khalidmurad1 Apr 24, 2013 09:14pm
Nice to hear General Jamshed Ayaz condemning this revengeful hysteria, being displayed by this CJ. They washed out everything against Nawaz, who high jacked Serving Army Chief's plan and wanted to land him in India, a malicious attempt to hand over Serving Pakistan Army Chief to Indians. They set free the declared culprits of 2 murder attempts on Serving Army Chief. Sir! we must sue the Chief Justice for coaxing, enticing and alluring people to make frivolous cases against Musharraf. Chief Justice statement is on record, published in almost all newspapers, "Musharraf Sahib aa gai han jisme himmat hai unse hisab le". It was distinctly after that statement that these concockted cases came up and such thundering, bursting actions and reactions started trembling all the courts in Pakistan. No matter lacs of other cases pending decision since last 50 years. Who is this Brig Mian Mehmud to claim representative of ex- servicemen, never heard of him? He must be a hoax, if he doesn't condemn undue humiliation of an ex-serviceman. There are some Bharia Town allottees like some Col Raheem etc, who sing his master's voice.
Khalid Apr 24, 2013 07:55pm
And what a shame that you had to bring his ethnicity into this. Is this the only contribution you were capable of making to this discussion?. Have we not killed enough people on ethnic basis already? or would you like to see some more of that?. I think you have no idea that the only group of people who are still above ethnicity are our armed forces and thank god for that. Long live the armed forces of Pakistan.
deep Apr 24, 2013 06:12pm
If Musharraf is humiliated more, army may take over.......
Ram Kumar Apr 24, 2013 06:13pm
Hilarious :-)