The Qadri enigma, stunt & aftermath

Published Jan 24, 2013 12:11pm

Was it the establishment who used Tahirul Qadri but failed, or was it Qadri who used the establishment and succeeded?

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Pakistan Spring?

During a talk that I was invited to deliver early last year at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London, and then at the Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Institute of Science & Technology (SZABIST) in Karachi in November 2012, the question that kept coming my way the most from Pakistani students was that whether Pakistan can or will ever experience something akin to the Arab Spring?

The truth is Pakistan is perhaps one of few Muslim countries that has experienced these kinds of Springs on numerous occasions.

Most of the times these have led to the ouster of military dictators and, ironically, on one occasion a protest movement actually ended up preparing the ground and an opening for a military coup and subsequent dictatorship.

It is important to keep all this in mind before one attempts to launch into understanding phenomenons where men like cricketer-turned-politician, Imran Khan, and more recently, Dr. Tahirul Qadri, were both seen (and imagined) as being the forces who would lead a Pakistan Spring of sorts.

I am always surprised to notice the negligible amounts of knowledge most young Pakistanis have about the previous generations’ notable role in making Pakistan perhaps the only Muslim country (apart from maybe Turkey), where a number of democratic movements constantly challenged military dictatorships, making sure that unlike a majority of Arab countries, Pakistan never had a one-party dictatorship that ruled for decades.

In the late 1960s, a movement led by leftist students forced Pakistan’s first military dictator to resign, paving the way for multiparty democracy.

A student is grabbed by security personnel for trying to assassinate the first Pakistani military dictator, Ayub Khan in Peshawar in 1968.
A student is grabbed by security personnel for trying to assassinate the first Pakistani military dictator, Ayub Khan in Peshawar in 1968.

In 1977 a right-wing movement rose against an elected but authoritarian ‘socialist’ regime that, however, ended up ushering in a reactionary military dictatorship.

This dictatorship then faced at least three major democratic movements in the 1980s, making way for democracy’s return in 1988.

Then between 2006 and 2007, a widespread movement forced another military dictator to hold multiparty election and eventually resign in 2008.

All those Springs that took place in the Arab world were against one-party rules and dictatorships that had been dominating the politics of the impacted countries for decades.

In Pakistan, young followers of men like Imran Khan and Dr. Tahirul Qadri have often talked about emulating the uprisings in Arab countries. But ever since 2008 Pakistan has been under an elected ruling coalition of centre-left parties and an active parliament.

Imran Khan, the charismatic former captain of the Pakistan cricket team and (ever since 1996), the head of his centre-right party, the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaaf (Pakistan Justice Party), has been threatening to wipe out Pakistan’s ‘corrupt politics and system’ with the help of a ‘revolutionary tsunami.’

Though ever since 2010 he has been able to get a pretty decent number of urban middle-class youth on his side, he has struggled to blunt accusations that claim him to be an ‘artificial construct of the military-establishment’ and being soft on Islamist extremists that have been haunting Pakistan for years now.

Khan has categorically refuted these allegations, but he has certainly reoriented his revolutionary rhetoric and now overtly states himself to be a democrat who believes that real change in Pakistan can only come through the ballot.

Imran Khan is still an enigma for many Pakistanis. Accused by his detractors of being soft on Islamic extremists, Khan has always vehemently denied the allegations.
Imran Khan is still an enigma for many Pakistanis. Accused by his detractors of being soft on Islamic extremists, Khan has always vehemently denied the allegations.

But just when everyone was waiting for the current coalition government led by the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) to complete its 5-year-term in March this year and announce fresh election, Dr. Tahirul Qadri appeared on the scene, waving his fist to lead a ‘long march’ to occupy Pakistan’s manicured capital, Islamabad, and turn that city into a Tahrir Square (the place where the Arab Spring was launched in Egypt).

His sudden appearance and move took everyone by surprise. Most of his critics in the government, the opposition and the media were quick to denounce him as being yet another ploy and puppet of those sections of the country’s military-establishment and intelligence agencies who have been blamed time and time again for derailing democracy in Pakistan.

Ever since 1958, the military has thrice toppled civilian set-ups, accusing them of being corrupt and compromising Pakistan’s internal and external security.

However, each one of these military regimes fell and were replaced with democratic governments.

But this hasn’t meant the ouster of the military and its agencies as political players. They have continued to be eyed with great suspicion by democratic parties and often accused of propping up individuals to challenge, discredit, and disrupt popular political parties.

Thus,  it was natural for the critics of the military-establishment to once again look at it with suspicion when Dr. Qadri arrived to ‘bring a revolution’ and ‘true democracy’ just months before one of the first smooth and democratic transitions of power was set to take place in Pakistan.

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Qadri, who?

So who is Dr. Qadri, and how did he manage to gather thousands of devoted men, women and children to stay for almost four days in Islamabad’s freezing winter, rain and amidst the ever-present threat of suicide bombings by the rabid extremist lot always lurking in the shadows in Pakistan?

Dr. Qadri is a former failed politician but who, in the last 15 years or so, worked relentlessly to build a loyal network of pious Pakistani and Indian Muslims around the world who belong to the Sunni Barelvi strain of Islam.

Barelvi Islam is the evolutionary outcome of a 19th century Islamic reformist movement that emerged in undivided India.

Three such movements emerged among the Muslims of the region, especially after the fall of the Muslim empire in India.

One advocated a return to the original Islam of the ‘rightly guided Caliphs’, and the exorcising of ‘innovations’ introduced in the Islam practiced by Indian Muslims.

The second movement pleaded a more rational and practical understanding of the Qu’ran and Shariah and for the adoption of ‘western education and sciences’.

The third was a reaction to the first movement that found Islamic strains like Sufism repulsive and the practice of visiting Sufi shrines heretical.

Barelvi Islam is a continuation of the third movement that fuses Sufism with the centuries-old sub-continental traditions of Muslims visiting and worshipping at shrines of Sufi saints and incorporating many practices that emerged due to the interaction of Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism in undivided India.

Ahmed Raza Khan (right), the 19th century Islamic reformer, scholar, polemic and founder of what became to be known as 'Barelvi Islam.'
Ahmed Raza Khan (right), the 19th century Islamic reformer, scholar, polemic and founder of what became to be known as 'Barelvi Islam.'

This strain of Islam that has always been seen as being more tolerant, flexible and inclusive compared to some other strains of the faith present in region, became the dominant faith among Pakistan’s Sunni Muslims.

Even today, a majority of Pakistanis follow this strain, in spite of the fact that ever since the 1980s Saudi Arabia has been funneling in huge amounts of money and resources to prop up Islamic seminaries, mosques, clerics and leaders associated with the more puritanical, aggressive and anti-Barelvi schools of thought.

Though Barelvi Islamic leaders and outfits have often been accommodated and flirted with by secular parties, and are squarely against puritanical Sunni Islamic outfits such as the Taliban, al Qaeda and various anti-Shia sectarian organisations, they have been staunchly and at times, violently inclined to blunt any moves attempting to relax the controversial Blasphemy Laws first introduced in the 1980s during the reactionary Ziaul Haq dictatorship.

Dr. Qadri is a former student activist who in the 1970s belonged to the moderate Barelvi youth organisation, the Anjuman Taleba Islam, at the Punjab University.

His group usually allied itself with various progressive and leftist student groups during student union elections against the student wing of the fundamentalist Jamat-e-Islami.

Flag of the Anjuman Taleba Islam, the moderate/Barelvi Islamic student organisation that Qadri was a member of at college and university.
Flag of the Anjuman Taleba Islam, the moderate/Barelvi Islamic student organisation that Qadri was a member of at college and university.

After graduating in 1974, he enrolled as a lecturer at the same university and then went on to get his PhD in Islamic sciences.

Details of Dr. Qadri’s political career between 1978 and 1989 are rather muggy.

Some of his critics describe Qadri as a political charlatan who in the 1980s was close to PML-N chief, Nawaz Sharif, the man whose family in those days were staunch supporters of military dictator, General Ziaul Haq.

During a 2008 lecture on the Barelvi Islamic TV channel, QTV, Qadri claimed that it was he who forced General Ziaul Haq to formulate the Blasphemy Laws, whereas he then denied doing this (on a British TV channel), and in fact claimed that he doesn’t agree with the law.

There are three views about what Qadri was up to during the Zia dictatorship.

One view is that Qadri opposed the dictatorship’s pro-Deobandi orientation and was dismissed from the faculty of the Punjab University for his opposition to the Zia regime.

The second view is that Qadri became close to the Zia regime and helped it formulate a number of controversial ‘Islamic laws.’

The third view is propagated by Qadri himself in which he claims that in spite of the fact that Zia offered him many political posts, he refused to accept them and instead spent his time on becoming an Islamic scholar.

What is certain though is that Qadri formed his Barelvi organisation, the Minhajul Quran (MQ),  in 1981.

In 1988 Qadri formed his own party, the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT). He described it as a party that would strive to bring a ‘spiritual revolution’ (Roohani Inquilaab) in Pakistan.

Qadri addressing a press conference in 1990.
Qadri addressing a press conference in 1990.

He allied his party with the left-leaning PPP during the 1990 election, but after facing defeats, he almost vanished from the political scene.

This is when he seriously worked to turn MQ into a large Islamic evangelical outfit, preaching Sufism and trying to regenerate Barelvi Islam that had experienced a tough challenge from the more conservative schools of faith in the 1980s.

Qadri reappeared on the political scene as a supporter of Pakistan’s last military dictator, General Parvez Musharraf, who toppled the second PML-N government in 1999.

Calling himself an ‘enlightened moderate’, Musharraf wanted to bank on Qadri’s MQ to find a middle ground for his dictatorship between Zia’s radical Islam and secularism.

Qadri had a falling out with Musharraf in 2004 when the later chose a motley crew of anti-PPP and anti-PML-N politicians over Qadri’s PAT to become his regime’s civilian expression.

Qadri (third from right in the third row) was one of first civilian politicians to pledge his support to General Musharraf. Other leaders seen in the picture include, Maulana Fazalur Rehman, Imran Khan and Farooq Laghari.
Qadri (third from right in the third row) was one of first civilian politicians to pledge his support to General Musharraf. Other leaders seen in the picture include, Maulana Fazalur Rehman, Imran Khan and Farooq Laghari.

During this period Qadri became a Canadian citizen. In 2010, when suicide bombings against the military, police and common civilians grew alarmingly in Pakistan, Qadri, who by now had gathered a huge following among the more religious minded Barelvi Muslims, wrote a 600-page fatwa against suicide bombings.

Qadri-book
Copy of the English translation of Qadri’s fatwa against suicide bombings.

To him and his followers, he had become the moderate face of Islam and the defender of the peaceful injunctions and spirit of the faith in a world reeling from Islamist violence.

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Reemergence and aftermath

In Pakistan, he was mostly forgotten as a politician, but among pious Barelvis he became popular as an Islamic scholar, and a televangelist on QTV.

Neutral viewers found his style to be rather eccentric, especially when he shared with his followers the many divine visions he’s had and the colorful way he interpreted his followers’ dreams.

Barelvi Islam is rich in symbolism, extroverted in its liking for devotional dances and music, and of behavior that the modernists describe as being superstitious.

To its more conservative sub-sectarian Sunni opponents such as the Deobandis and the ‘Wahabis’, it is downright heretical.

It is Barelvi Islam’s colorful, emotive, inclusive and largely non-jihadist nature that has kept it thriving as Pakistan’s ‘folk religion’, especially among the rural and semi-rural peasantry and sections of the urban petty-bourgeoisie.

The hypnotic eastern music genre, Qawali, is an extremely popular ritual and art-form among the Barelvis.
The hypnotic eastern music genre, Qawali, is an extremely popular ritual and art-form among the Barelvis.

Though Qadri, seeming egoistical and at times somewhat maniacal in his attitude during his ‘long march,’ and most probably pushed to the fore by the usual anti-politician ‘establishment,’ did manage to demonstrate a rather refreshing angle in the already multi-angular politics of Pakistan.

Over the last decade, Pakistanis seem to be fatigued by not only the toothlessness of their elected representatives, especially in the face of a collapsing economy, deteriorating law and order situation and extremist violence; they now seem equally weary of the animated alarmists in politics, media and the establishment who always seem to be threatening bloody revolutions, and warnings about conspiracies of ‘anti-Pakistan/Islam’ forces and ‘nefarious designs of India and the US.’

In spite of the fact that Qadri launched his rhetoric against the country’s two main democratic parties, he was equally open in his condemnation of those Islamist terrorist outfits that have succeeded in scaring even the most animated and ‘revolutionary’ media personnel and leaders.

When cornered in this respect, these personalities at once launch into anti-US tirades that have now become a kind of self-parody of sorts.

Though Qadri ended his march by accepting negotiations with the same ruling coalition he had vowed to topple, his was perhaps one of the most spectacularly peaceful ‘revolts’ ever seen in a violent country like Pakistan.

Qadri shares a joke with the government’s negotiation team that met him on the fourth day of his ‘long march.’
Qadri shares a joke with the government’s negotiation team that met him on the fourth day of his ‘long march.’

Now the question is, was he really a stooge of the establishment? Someone propped up but failed to deliver?

I personally believe that he was. But his backers underestimated two vital facts:

1.    The democratic parties are now willing to come together like never before in the face of a threat posed to the democratic system by the establishment.

2.    The Sunni denomination that Qadri belongs to is neither jihadist nor revolutionary.

Or who knows, there might even be another possibility: With the way he in the end softened up with the members of the coalition, maybe it was Qadri who manipulated the establishment so he could return to the political arena with a bang  ... ?

 


Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com

 


The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.


Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com


The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

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Abdullah Hussain
Jan 24, 2013 10:14am
I feel really bad when I read how our agencies are being viewed as either enemy of Pakistan or Aliens. ISI plus, army & the supreme court are amongst the most reliable foundations of Pakistan. Whatever they do is for the good of the country. Instead of criticizing them Pakistanis should learn to appreciate their services to the nation.
anonymous
Jan 26, 2013 06:31am
Large croud you say , if you have seen it then you would not say it because there were no more then few thousands and it did not prove anything except for the chance of Qadri in next elections along with the leaders that are still in power .
qadri
Jan 26, 2013 11:53am
A good article presenting detailed analysis and history developments
Wondering
Jan 26, 2013 11:25am
How come this confused man is a senior columnist. He just have headline knowledge mostly collected over the internet. Looks like he is also an stooge writing what the masters ask.
Noor Ahmad Khan
Jan 26, 2013 11:21am
NFP Could you please translate the original caption under the photograph of Ahmed Raza Khan. I might have misread it but I thought it said He was convinced of of the illegitimacy of photographing. So much for moderate and enlightened vision. Feels like all were the same.
Noor Ahmad Khan
Jan 26, 2013 11:14am
Let me be the devil's advocate and suggest something. TUQ didn't want the "long march" turn violent because of the possible repercussions: not in Pakistan but in Canada. We are thankful to him for that. Just a request: Please step down from the divine throne so that we are not condemned for criticizing you. TUQ himself may not condone such things against his critics but his followers love him and adore him blindly.
Farooq
Jan 26, 2013 04:50am
Its totally wrong to say that Barelvis like Qawwali. Imam Ahmad Raza Khan RA, written a complete book on 'Ahkaam uSamaa', in which he laid down the rules of Samaa: 1: Kalam recited is only Hamd or Naat 2: Listeners are all pious people, not in a worldly gathering 3: No woman or young boys allowed to sing the Ashaar of Samaa 4: No music or clapping is allowed As far I know Barelvi maslak is very strict on these things at least what is mentioned by Imam Ahmad Raza Khan
winston
Jan 26, 2013 09:07am
Jesus did not bring any laws: only Jews and muslims were given law by God
SM
Jan 26, 2013 03:22am
Yes, India is very peaceful especially with Muslims. Give me a break.
Farooq
Jan 26, 2013 04:24am
I don't think the author really knows what 'Barelvi' Maslak really is, at least from what he has described here. Also one needs to know that what is termed as 'Barelvi' Islam is what the traditional Islam was until two centuries ago when a movement from Saudi Arabia tried to distort the real face of Islam which was practised for centuries in not only sub-continent but throughout the world. Author also failed to mention that traditional Barelvi scholars do not recognise Dr. Qadri as one of their own rather they distance themselves.
Erfan
Jan 25, 2013 08:38pm
I cannot understand how people are coming to the conclusion that Dr. Qadri achieved anything in this drama; none of his demands were met and we should be grateful for that. Why should the assemblies be dissolved when a democratic system is finally reaching it's culminating point of peaceful transfer of power through the ballot. That should be our utmost desire and that is the only process that will make Pakistan a stronger nation over time. His demand that the military and the SC should be consulted in the caretaker set up is undemocratic as well and would again hurt us. It benefits only the undemocratic forces, again. As for him not taking part in politics; big deal; he failed whenever he tried. One can amass 10,000 or 100,000 people from twenty constituencies but getting that many people to vote for you in a single constituency is a different story. We, Pakistanis, should stop believing in quick fixes, for God's sake. What a day may bring a day may take. We must invest our energies in a process that holds the key to eventually deliver us the fruits and their is no better system known to mankind than democracy. We should also avoid dragging religion into politics. Religion should guide us to be a better person; honest and responsible, non-judgmental, impartial and empathetic to all rather than something we wear on our sleeve. Corruption is a big problem in Pakistan, but it is not confined to Pakistan alone. There is hardly a country on the face of earth where corruption is not rife; in some, like ours, it's open and vulgar, while in some, like the US, it's institutionalized. But, if we want to tackle it, we must build institutions, not expect personalities to deliver us. Having said that, our biggest problem at the moment is not corruption, but militancy in the name of religion and if we do not unite against it, it will surely devour us. It has destroyed the very fiber of our nation and now Pakistanis are at each other's throats and it appears that the forces to be are diverting our attention to the political setup rather than the core problem. We are hanging by our fingernails and may not have very long to mend our ways. Rudyard Kipling has aptly said, "Nations have passed away and left no traces, And history gives the naked cause of it - One single simple reason in all cases; They fell because their peoples were not fit."
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 12:55pm
They didn't twist his arm, they told him they would break his neck. Unless you and your own family are in politics you cannot really understand corruption. The Pakistan people want the Army to save them from the neighborhood bully. It seems Pakistan has already chosen that, but he Army has been co opted. The corrupt are always a step ahead of reformers and two steps ahead of the people.
Truth Speaker
Jan 25, 2013 06:53pm
venerable sir---Islam did not spread as peacefully as you have put. Immense bloodshed of the Infidel happened. Immense. The Sikh Khalsa was only baptised cuz of that. A peaceful religion become militant to save themselves. What about the Hindu people ? Someday read the laws of Dhimmitude--not from foolish books published by islamic apologists--but those who faced the brunt of religion of peace. How the ancient university of Nalandha was razed down, and monks in the thousand cut down. What did Ghazni, Ghori, Khilji, Abdali, Nadir Shah, aurengzeb do.. Surely they were not promoting trade. They were cutting down, infidel in the thousands and other would run and embrace Islam. And since you cant leave Islam---they were permanently imprisoned.
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 03:26pm
Shafiq Sahib: AOA Your diatribe against education in Pakistan is uncalled for. And it certainly does not apply to me. I did not go to a Mission school, and was spared the Catholic catechism. While I am no scholar of Arabic I did take Arabic in my middle school as elective, and a diploma in it from McGIll University. Then I lived in Libya, Saudi Arabia, and the Emirates, and can sustain a conversation in Arabic if pushed into a corner. These days I live in Dearborn MI, the centre of Arab America with Arabic all around me. I am not used to reading the Quran in Urdu or English. Do you deny that Insaf comes from nisf, and that means half, and that the word nowhere exists in the Quran? Rather than force me to defend my person I suggest that you follow the trajectory of the notion of justice as it morphed from "adl" into "Insaf". It will be a revealing journey. You will learn about Islam more than you wanted to. Wassalam
Asghar Malik (@asgharseelo)
Jan 24, 2013 11:54am
Qadri agar etna mamooli admi he to etny kirdar kushy knw kartay ho uski....?he is better than all these croupt looter of poor people of pakistan
ahmed
Jan 25, 2013 02:57pm
I think Mr. Paracha you missed the point entirely re. Qadri 's march achievements. 1, Qadri demonstrated without any doubt that majority of Pakistanis are dissatisfied with the status quo and want a peaceful change as demonstrated by the discipline of all the participants in extreme cold weather. 2, He had made his point so he felt he didn't want to be cause for any accidents or harm to his country and his people by keeping this many people gathered in one place because of terrorist threat and mischievous elements in and out of the government. 3. He decided to get off the sean when he saw the India was becoming belligerent again and he didn't want to become a tool of the establishment by prolonging the march or divert nation 's attention to Indian actions. I salute him (and he is not going to disappear) and PPP government for doing the only decent deed it has done in five years by being tolerant and thick skinned. I wish Indian and Pakistani learn from this, media governments and people....
Laeeq,NY
Jan 24, 2013 11:45am
Whatever he represent and who ever he is and no matter what motives he hide inside of him, message was very clear for the public and politicians. No political or religious party was able to gather such a large crowd what Dr. Qadri was able to do despite living in the west. Our political and religious parties are still in shock and denial. I believe same politicians will be on their seats and in front of TV,S anchors and Imran's tsunami has been changed in to a regressing tidal wave. Sorry for Pakistani,s. Another five years with same politicians.
gilgitbaltistanbulletin
Jan 24, 2013 11:41am
You jumped from 1988 to 2006........kindly elaborate the events which occurred during the era too.
Islmail
Jan 24, 2013 11:33am
this is a very interesting article. good read.
Farooq Ali
Jan 24, 2013 11:28am
Good article very informative , Qadri was a batsman who was out at 99 one short of his centuary.
KHAN
Jan 24, 2013 11:26am
WHATEVER THE CASE,THE COMMON MAN IS BEING USED FOR THIS DIRTY GAME.
Khawar Malik, Toronto
Jan 24, 2013 11:23am
Qadri has emerged as a highly controversial figure from the drama he staged in Islamabad few days ago. Time will eventually bring to the surface about the facts that were behind his ridiculous move. Although he managed to turn out few thousand ignorant people on the chilly roads of Islamabad, but he bitterly failed to achieve what he had planned for. His actions, U turns, and rhetoric proved him to be a symbol of bad leadership, hypocrisy and wickedness. Main problem of this country is illiteracy and ignorance (general and religious) which is rampant in the society otherwise this type of drama would not have happened.
Faraz Ali
Jan 24, 2013 11:19am
Very interesting read. Your article helped me learn how the Barelvi and Deobandi schools of thought came into existence, as well as TuQ's history. You also kept a very neutral perspective, almost pro-TuQ, as compared to your previous satirical article.
Zulekha Soorma
Jan 24, 2013 11:16am
I feel the whole Qadri drama was staged by the government with the help of the media and the poor innocent people suffered in the freezing cold only to see the very man calling govt Yazeed negotiating this so called agreement which is not worth the paper it is written on
hamid Shafiq
Jan 24, 2013 11:14am
Mr qadri is lost gambler and do not change anything just close to westren govt and show loylity in the form of fatwa. MR Qadri changes his views day to day and do not firm stand agaisnt curroption and corroded political setup.
Tariq
Jan 25, 2013 03:20pm
What a shame indeed it's a toss up between PPP or PML-N for the Pakistani nation for another term, both of these parties have a shining record of having brought country in the 21st century !!!!
Faraz
Jan 24, 2013 11:12am
or may be the government that used him to delay elections..
Musa Aziz
Jan 24, 2013 11:12am
Very well written! Could not agree more
Parvez
Jan 24, 2013 11:12am
One must give Qadri credit for keeping everyone guessing right upto now. His move epitomises Pakistani politics beautifully.............lots of sound and fury resulting in more for the players and even less for the audience, every time.
kam
Jan 24, 2013 12:23pm
Silly rubish assertion. Qadri managed to do what non of your idols the corrupt politicians could do. He forces the nation to seriously consider reforms for the betterment of the country. Main problem of this country is CORRUPTION which you seem to want to tolerate.
lion
Jan 25, 2013 07:12pm
The word "democracy" is not known to any major party as they do not practice it within. PPP family control, ANP family control. so on so on..............We all need to change within to change without. Most of the well known hold dual nationalities which makes them Hippocrates as they have sworn an oath before receiving nationality from the west.
Anis Farhat Jamal
Jan 25, 2013 09:17pm
Totally agree with these comments. Let us not get carried away by two hypocrites.......and the contradictions in their words and deeds.
Nasir
Jan 25, 2013 09:01pm
O Now you come to your point, so military has the solution for all problems in Pakistan in your mind. hmmm
Ajmal Khur
Jan 25, 2013 09:00pm
"...both founders of Secular Republics following the sunnah of our Prophet AS who founded the Secular Republic of Medin..." ================ You are extremely ill-informed! Secularism means absence of the Sacred, that is, Divine. A Prophet or a Messenger of God can never bring secularistic ideas, as he is immersed in the Oneness of the Divine Being. The Constitution of Medina was pluralistic, not secular.
Nasir
Jan 25, 2013 08:58pm
The only difference is one was a leader while other was planted by imperialist.
Ajmal Khur
Jan 25, 2013 08:56pm
Very confused.
Ajmal Khur
Jan 25, 2013 08:53pm
You're still splitting hair. 'Adl and Insaaf are used interchangeably. It's what is intended by the speaker that matters, not your technical splitting hair.
Ajmal Khur
Jan 25, 2013 08:49pm
What does 'becoz' mean? Dr. tahir ul Qadri has provided enough explanation, but for those who are open minded and patiently take the time to digest what he says.
Rafi
Jan 25, 2013 03:02pm
Dear brother , my point is very clear. Imran khan is running a political party and TUQ a religious organisation. The comparison u made is therefore unjustified. I prefer the term " Adl o Insaaf" rather than " Adl ya Insaaf". The devil my dear friend lies in our hearts.
abbastoronto
Jan 24, 2013 01:21pm
One thing a Pakistani learns when coming abroad and meeting his co-religionists from around the world is how differently he thinks from them. And how much behind the others, the Turks, the Persians, the Arabs, the Indonesians, and the Malaysians are from him in outlook towards reality. The reason – East India Company, the Raj, the close American alliance, and finally, Iqbal and Jinnah. Pakistanis are at least 500 years ahead of other Muslims in thinking about the world. What is going in Pakistan in not the Pakistani spring, but Islam’s spring that has been going on for at least 100 years. This is the re-opening of the debate that was closed 1400 years ago after the death of our Prophet AS – whither Islam – guns or butter, the same battle that every society wages – Republicans vs Democrats in US, Tories vs Liberals in Canada. Islam had split into two political camps, the Umarites (later became Sunni, Wahabbi, Qadiani) and Fatimites (who later became Shia, Ismaili, Alevi). In 632 AD Muslims chose war over peace, guns over butter. The rest is history. Islam spread, and the reason was simple – Muslims had a new religion much advanced than others, tied to advanced trading economy, while others – Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism were tied to agrarian economy. Though Islam won, it had to adapt backwards because the subjects were rural and agrarian not city and industrial/trade. When Europe came to the same fork (agrarian to trading) in 17th century it had two models of trading origin, Hellenism and Islam (Athens and Mecca). Since Islam had become backward, the West chose its native Hellenism to continue forward. Europe chose Democracy, and advanced America chose Socratic Republic – the same guns vs butter battle. Democracy led to its natural end – the 20th century carnage in Europe. With increasing trade and industrialization, Islam needed adaptation again. Indian Islam was the most advanced because of its link to trading England. Its resurgence began with the likes of Sir Syed, Iqbal and Jinnah. Today, the land poor, water poor, resource poor world is becoming Arabia 7th century writ large. The natural model for this is Mohammedan/Quranic Islam. The West flounders under the same strains Islam did 800 years ago, making the same mistakes - wastefulness, profligacy, pornography, homosexuality, fantasy … Pakistan is a lucky land. It has the right mix of leadership minded Fatimites and management minded Umarites (1 to 4). Islam challenges the Corporate Capitalist West today – militarily, socially, intellectually, spiritually, economically. The Mohammedan socio-economics is way ahead of Socratic one. Sufism was a reaction to the heartlessness of mainstream Islam just as Buddhism was to the heartlessness of Hinduism. It also served a link between the Fatimites and Umarites. A Sufi Iqbal was instrumental in bringing the Fatimite Jinnah and Umarite others together and creating Pakistan. A Sufi Qadri may play the same role again for Pakistan to its rightful place in leading the Ummah and then the Globalized and trading world. Islam’s spring will flower in Pakistan. Onward Qadri.
S M Shah
Jan 24, 2013 01:21pm
Actually the Sunni Denomination that you speak of IS JIhad but not violent for the sake of violent. Note that Sindh, Kashmir, and Punjab provide large chunks of Pak Armed Forces. All Barelvi areas. Sufi Islam is the true revolutionary spirit that will see out the those who seek the quick fixes.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:20pm
"In the late 1960s, a movement led by leftist students forced Pakistan’s first military dictator to resign, paving the way for multiparty democracy." Communism. It seemed like a good idea at the time. You can't sell Godless Communism to Muslims, so you end up with democracy instead.
Humair
Jan 24, 2013 01:16pm
Struggling to figure out (ye mazmoon TUQ pe hai ya Imran Khan pe?) usual NFP's attacking approach.
G.A.
Jan 24, 2013 01:15pm
Both the military and Qadri probably found each other with the help of a few MQ disciples. Perhaps a Brigadier's relative was attending an MQ gathering when a light bulb flashed. Or it could've been over a few 'drinks' in Canada that the idea came up. Who knows.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:10pm
The glass is half full.
Tariq
Jan 24, 2013 12:48pm
Interesting article depicting background analysis of the subject matter TUQ. What ever the synopsis of the march, time will divulge.One positive thing has come out of it is that people POWER does work! I hope people will realize the power of the vote, collectively they can move mountains!
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 12:44pm
Yes it is, very.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 12:45pm
You have no idea!
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 12:44pm
He took a risk, but what it shows is in Pakistan the religious need Taliban muscle to succeed because peace does not seem to be the answer. He chose the wrong time of year. Messiahs need warm weather. "Where's your backup? You don't have any backup?"
Sikandar Saleem
Jan 24, 2013 12:52pm
I agree to all this but it was very strange of Qadri to stand up after years to a long march and agree to nothing but played with the feelings of people even the people were happy after that...!!!
suleman
Jan 24, 2013 12:41pm
And just when we thought NFP was writing like he used to, he is back with a bang!
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:07pm
Dream the impossible dream.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:08pm
Elevating.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:05pm
"No one loves Pakistan. " Give us a reason.
ali ahmed
Jan 24, 2013 01:04pm
at least Qadri send shivering down the spine of the old corrupt political parties...they collected together in a palace at Riwind
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:01pm
What could be, could be. Those who say don't know and those who know don't say.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:02pm
He did his standup routine but I was expecting a lot more.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:00pm
If you are a big shot walking the street in Pakistan with $15,000 cash in your pockets that will buy three top rank assassins. What does Mr. Big have to fear from a guy in a sailor cap?
FAB
Jan 24, 2013 10:16am
Candid analysis. Good piece of information.
Dr Khan
Jan 24, 2013 10:28am
Whatever Qadri was and he is, at least he is better than other extremist and intolerant religious groups. Today Pakistan needs tolerance more than anything else.
Mukesh
Jan 24, 2013 10:30am
That he lied to get a refugee status in Canada speaks a lot about this person's character.
Syed
Jan 24, 2013 10:33am
NFP, my point is that he lied about OR never mentioned that he became national by seeking asylum against Pakistan, was he a minority? or any sort? he is a sunni so what was the asylum against? politics? he was a nobody in the world of politics, what was he afraid of? he must have forgotten that if you seek asylum and than travel to that country, your passport is tracked by the country that grant you the asylum that is why canadians were onto him and boy they will be pissed when he goes back for the hearing, so you see, no one loves Pakistan, they come on the stage, grab what they can and they leave and and turn against Pakistan, if required !!!
jaffar
Jan 24, 2013 10:45am
In the light of recent decision by Election commission, to scruitinize candidates during a 30 day period and to get clearance from various relevant departments, it will be ufair to call the long march a total failure. In 2008 nobody talked about article 62 and 63 and the scruitiny of the candidates. Now atleast it has become a reality andthe credit goes to no one else other than Mr Qadri. About his personality and contradictions found in his various claims i agree 100% with the author but are these 2-3 contradictions comparable to the massive lies and corrupt pratices of our mainstream politicians?
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 01:58pm
Rafi Sahib: AOA The T of TUQ or TPI is not a controversial word as Insaf and Adl are. Rather than sarcastically and emotionally respond to my post (which I presume you have not pondered upon yet), I would suggest you take a deep breath and investigate how come "justice" has come to mean non-Quranic "Insaf" in Pakistan rather than the Quranic "Adl" as it is supposed to be. Therein lies the source of friction between the two main sects of Islam: Adl is a principal pillar of one of them but not of the other. I will let you find out which is which. As they say here in the West, the devil is in the detail. Wassalam
Shafiq Khan
Jan 25, 2013 02:02pm
Quite disappointed by such scholarly trickery. This chap seems to have not heard of a language used in Pakistan named "Urdu". The word "Insaaf" is very well understood and used in daily language. Why is he being so dim? Ask anybody in Pakistan and you will get a description of the concept of "Insaaf" without your so-called scholarship. People like him, so far have not been able to tell the meaning of,"Zowja" in Arabic to the Pakistanis., Or the meaning of the word "Umet" / "Umma" as it was in the days of the Prophet. I can give at least half a dozen more which have been the cause of fractures in the Muslim people. The Muslim Education for centuries has brought Muslims to the colonial period because the Education was left to half wit Mullahs and the sciences were ignored. The great education institutions in Egypt failed the famails of Islam The Education of girls was ignored based on so-called Islamic imagined principles.The Muslim world was subjected to colonial period because of Mullahs view of Education. Sort that out before you indulge in languages you do not understand.
Bikkar S BRAR
Jan 24, 2013 11:57am
When everything is extreme in Pakistan he has been able to demonstrate the power of peaceful protest. He came out winner without firing a shot or any loss of life. Those who live by guns must learn the lesson of peaceful change.
suleman
Jan 24, 2013 12:42pm
was NOT*
Mirza
Jan 24, 2013 12:32pm
"The democratic parties are now willing to come together like never before in the face of a threat posed to the democratic system by the establishment." No Sir. The reality is that the big old brigades do not want anybody else to be a "haddi in the kebab" and stop their unabated plundering and looting of the country.
observer
Jan 24, 2013 12:33pm
In general, urban Pakistan is not happy with the two main political parties PPP and PML-N due to lack of performance and perceptions of corruption. At the same time, people are not patient enough to wait for the next election (lack of experience in democracy). Also, people more or less know that, except for a few seats in the National Assembly, pattern of vote will not change in a big way in 2013. On the top of these, there is a huge and powerful lobby whose aim to make the political system appear a failure. As a result of these factors, we see frustration and lack of hope from 2013 election to throw PPP and PML-N out of the window. So, people ask for some form of Arab Spring in Pakistan. In my humble opinion, the solution is to never again derail democracy, stop asking for miracles from political parties, and use power of vote to punish or reward the political parties based on their performance.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 12:34pm
Dr. Qadri is a little short on guts. They threatened to rip him out of his plastic cage like a pigeon. So the good doctor thought it was easy to be a messiah but didn't want crucifixion on the cross he chiseled for himself. He is no Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King Jr.after all. Wonder what he can tell himself the rest of his life?
Nadeem
Jan 24, 2013 12:34pm
Both informative and interesting. I agree with what seems to be the majority opinion, that this person was a stooge of the establishment. It is fun to see, for the first time in my life, that the establishment is getting desperate and losing its touch in what used to be a very easy-to-play game: keeping the politicians unbalanced, and keeping political evolution stunted.
Almanar
Jan 24, 2013 12:37pm
Trying to write the comment again. You amaze me. How do you fit bashing of Imran Khan and Zia with the praise of PPP in every single article you write. I have a suspicion that you have read Mustansar Hussain Tarrar's "Mera Behtreen Dost" and really taken it to the heart.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 12:38pm
He didn't take it all the way. At least he returned to his country to fight for the people, unlike the Dali Lama. "Close" only counts baci ball, horseshoes and hand grenades.
Cyrus Howell
Jan 24, 2013 01:25pm
"Imran Khan is still an enigma for many Pakistanis. Accused by his detractors of being soft on Islamic extremists." Khan is a bit of an enigma to himself I'll bet. He needs protection from militants who are not afraid to pull a trigger, that's all.
Nasir
Jan 25, 2013 11:14am
Please improve your knowledge before you say something at any platform. You are talking about just a clip showing variation in blasphemy law by Dr. TUQ. If you can spare some time, see all those four different videos completely and then if you have some doubt, only speak then. Secondly, never thing what media is trying to make you think. Use your own brain. What were the motives of long march and what benefit that person is getting who clearly mentioned that he is not going to take part in elections. It was for us, for making us realize what our constitution says and how these corrupt politicians are looting us.
Amjad Wyne
Jan 24, 2013 01:36pm
Only Malik Rehman knows the truth.
Zinc
Jan 24, 2013 01:59pm
TUQ's speech and rally has caused a stir, but it contained several fundamental weaknesses, as well as contradictions. Firstly, there was that statement, about half-way through, giving the message that we can't vote now because it would be asking people to decide to remain in, or leave, in a corrupt system when they had no idea of what that corrupt system really is. ( What I mean here is the whole political system is infected individualism and pork barrel from top to bottom, I mean from the office clerk to The President of Pakistan) That was intellectually very weak of TUQ, because we've been in the ever-changing Pakistan for 65 years, and we know exactly what it's about: full political union into a United States of Pakistan ( I hope you understand what I mean here as everyone has now has his own cartel of regional politics ) with quasi-dictatorial powers for its leaders. That situation isn't going to change. Furthermore, TUQis claiming here that he has a chance of reforming the Pakistan. And that's a second example of weak intellect, because he doesn't stand a chance of achieving that. He did begin to criticise the over-grown bureaucracy of the Pakistan, but, doubtless scared of upsetting those bureaucrats, failed to mention their ridiculousy high salaries, expenses and generous pensions, and missed out all reference to the ludicrous situation, So, faced with all that we know, only too well, about the dictatorial and tyrannical Pakistan (ignored referenda, broken treaties, direct interference of Military and so called IJI), we now have to wait till next election in May 2013 and that only if we vote.
BRR
Jan 24, 2013 02:06pm
A China hellbent on subjugating the Tibetians would have crushed the Dalai Lama like a bug. You have little to compare here. and are basically exposing your ignorance. ;ack of perspective.
BRR
Jan 24, 2013 02:09pm
Another figurehead manipulating religion for his own promotion. It is not enough to get rich and famous using religion, now he wants power too.
AC1960
Jan 24, 2013 02:10pm
So who is Dr. Qadri, and how did he manage to gather thousands....? Answer to this question is very simple. Qadri has been using religion for his gatherings for so many years and religion is a very powerful tool. He has created his image of a religious scholar etc. and that is why people went after him.
Rafi
Jan 24, 2013 02:10pm
I had a wise Iraqi friend who once told me that revolutions led by peasant leaders and the clergy have lead nations to disaster as both are narrow minded, lack vision and misuse power once in authority.Pakistan seems to be getting both.
Tahir
Jan 24, 2013 02:19pm
This business of Barelvis, Deobandis, Wahabi Deobandis, etc etc. Why has Islam become so complex?It's ust like keeping dozens of plastic cards in your wallet and not knowing when to use one. Surely, there should be one Isalm like there is only one God.
Capt C M Khan
Jan 24, 2013 02:37pm
Mr Paracha there is much more than what you have written. 1. How did Qadri get his SUV Buttelt proof container in Pakistan. When did this whole process start? 2. Despite being on the hit list of the Beastly Talibaan, why did Talibaan behave so nicely and let him carry on? 3. Whenever Pakistan/India are moving closer some incident ridiculous incident like Bombay attack, border firing occurs and stop it. These are serious questions unless we find the answer and eliminate this ENEMY WITHIN...nothing is going to change this time it was Qadri next time it will Madaari....
Jaleel Ahmed
Jan 24, 2013 02:45pm
I think Mr. Paracha is out of touch with the Islamic Spirituality that brought Islam to the sub-continent. Dr. Qadri might have made a mistake in indulging in politics, but he is one of greatest Islamic scholar that Pakistan has. If ever there is a Khomeini like revolution in Pakistan it is only people like Dr. Qadri who could lead it. Mr. Paracha stated that Dr. Qadri is a religious leader of the peasants and illiterate – he is wrong – the people who follow him and believe in his Islamic teachings include very educated people who could sort out pseudo preaching from real Islam.
Kashif
Jan 25, 2013 11:16am
Lovely! But Turkey never had an Iqbal.
Mudassar
Jan 25, 2013 11:17am
Actually NFP didnt bother to mentioned MQM, I guess you remember that MQM enjoyed the participation in Musharaff's government, Imran Khan is very soft target for every one now days just to get bit of extra attention..........get a life man and please stop dragging Imran in every wrong doing.
Shameema
Jan 25, 2013 06:43pm
A balanced Article...much better than your other satirical pieces on Dr.Qadri. He deserves to be taken seriously in Pakistan. He is now a serious candidate for the Presidency. I think all Pakistanis can identify with him. He is just the kind of non- partisan Monitor that we need.
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 10:59am
LOL The Mullahs in Iran has been fighting the Monarchy for over centuries. It was the socialists who wanted to hijack the Revolution, but those with deeper involvement prevailed. Soon after the Revolution, the Soviet Union bit dust. Today, the godless system is discredited worldwide - East, West, North, South.
Madan kumar tiwary
Jan 24, 2013 03:44pm
I think , present political set up of Pakistan does not need qadri or Imran type people. A secular , pro people with socialist mind set are need of hour. Qadri and others like him will only create chaos and ultimately help to fundamentalist. better let the pakistan elect their new Government.
Karachi Wala
Jan 25, 2013 01:44pm
Seems like Mr. Qadri got stumped on one. 99 short of a century!
Ram
Jan 24, 2013 04:36pm
Tahir Qadri incident was test for Pakistan democratic system and Pakistanies should celebrate democracy prevailed, However unless the next leader (Imran Khan) deals with ISI/Millitary there will be always a threat
Nasir
Jan 24, 2013 05:03pm
The writer of this article was not unbiased. He manipulated few things as per his own mind. If I start giving answers to all his points, I might have to write another article. So, I will only mention this to all readers that please do not make any picture of Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri in their mind as per this article. As far as politics is concerned, he has made it very clear that neither he nor his two sons, who are also PHD, will take part in elections. This long march has made every pakistani aware of the constitution. These corrupt politicians have no place to hide now except launching propaganda compaign against TUQ. Every body is talking on personality of TUQ. See what he has done, what is his vision and in which direction he is working. If at all he wanted to topple the government, he would have done that sitting at 1 km from parliament with millions of people. So please wait and keep watching what that agreement between government and TUQ is going to do in upcoming elections and every body pray for a change in the country.
Azad Khan
Jan 24, 2013 06:10pm
Qadri's drama ended up with a hope as anticipated by the media, resulting in mild increase in his popularity and giving him a hope that his party might get a couple of seats. However he is an opportunist who tried to enter the gov. by back door in Musharraf's tenure and left Pakistan disheartened when he was not given the share that he expected and his sudden appearence on the political arena shows that he is supported by the forces of evil who want to destabilize Pakistan. But in my opinion he will not be able to gain a single seat if the elections are fair.
Sad
Jan 24, 2013 06:16pm
Lets' use cricket as a parable to understand the long march.Two things are important to be successful in cricket : a) the ability to coordinate ball with bating 2) the ability to understand the sense of timing. If we apply these two things in the context of Dr. Qadri's long march, one feels Dr. Qadri has mistaken on both. First, his ability to coordinate the long march with a firm stance on the popular demands has been too vague and too jittery. Second, his understanding the sense of timing to stage the long march is just wrong. Dr. Qadri is an eloquent and fiery religious speaker, but he's just too fickle and indecisive as a leader. He miserably failed himself as well as those who participated in his long march.
Ali
Jan 24, 2013 07:06pm
I think its a bit of both, he was just a distractionto hide something more controversial. He is definitely backed by army but it became to obvious and they had to retreat to make it look like a real thing and nothing to do with army, and its not difficult to gather a big crowd in Pakistan any leader can do that, people here are frustrated & desparate and need something to do. Some adventure, there is not much to look forward in terms of getting ahead with their careers, social status & lives. These type of gatherings feed their low self esteem and also boost their moral as being productive. Regardless of what ever it is onething is for sure, this country is going down the hill and i dont see much hope but a 'moajiza' that might be able to save this country.
sk
Jan 24, 2013 07:27pm
If you read Cyrus Howell "off the wall comments" in his response to every news you should know where he is coming from.
pathanoo
Jan 24, 2013 08:07pm
Bible says there will be several false Messiah who will pretend to be the real (messiah). Dr. Qadri from all his antecedents seems to be a false one. The real Messiah do not come from outside of the people they are trying to save and then do not run away without delivering. Can any one tell what has Dr. Qadri delivered and what is his impact except that he got his four days or TV limelight. Is any thing changed?
james
Jan 24, 2013 08:27pm
hi guys, the problem is that in our country we use POLITICAL ref / MONEY/ARMS as power, a poor person has no chance.So the corruption is rife in the country and people say it's democracy where your PRIME MINSTER,PRISIDENT,MINSTERS,OPPOSITION PARTIES all involved in CORRUPTION MONEY LAUNDERING.THEY ALL HAVE MONEY STASHED ABROAD. THEY ONLY CARE FOr THEM SELFS. LONG LIVE DANDA WALLA
Kausik
Jan 24, 2013 08:37pm
NFP scholarly article of factual analysis is enlightened the readers.I request him to see the documentary India untouchable and comment on findings that Harijans(Dalit) converted to Islam are treated differently as evidence presented in the documentary by Mr Stalin after 4 yrs of research and realistic filming of course Hindus are main culprits and all major religions practice this evil sustem and discrimination.I wonder whether this exists in Pakistan if any body can shed light on this.
Saad Munir (@ViciousButcher)
Jan 24, 2013 08:45pm
I believe that the agreement is of no value. TUQ's movement had already flopped when the opposition parties gathered on one platform during all this scene. The govt. merely provided him an exit route so that he could take something back with him when he had come so far with a number of followers!
Saad Munir (@ViciousButcher)
Jan 24, 2013 08:47pm
I would never want Khomeini like leader for us!
Karachi Wala
Jan 24, 2013 08:50pm
Or maybe he was stumped on one. 99 short of his century!
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 03:17pm
Fatcheck: Greetings The Sharia of Moses is based on Insaf (Equity) and Tribe. The Sharia of Jesus is based on Love and the Family. The Sharia of Mohammed AS is based on Adl (Justice) and the Individual. The three Sharias are for the three stages of economy - pastoral, agrarian, and trade. Each following sharia upholds the past one, while updating it to modern times. Insaf and Love are no longer optimal for the Exchange Economy where justice, giving each his due, is most efficient. Best wishes
Azam Qadeer
Jan 24, 2013 09:45pm
it is amazing how human change own views due to money or fear. Our peoples biggest problem is education. we need to provide education to every human in our country so they understand what is right and what is wrong then and only then right people will come in power and people who play with mind will have no room in the society. May Allah give us time and understanding so we all try our bet to educate people in our area's instead pushing them away etc. I am afraid Qadri sb do not become something which take him out of the his religious boundary. I hope Allah give him wisdom so he understand not education only
Nasir
Jan 24, 2013 09:58pm
Qadri (or the planter's) story imho is not over , infact it has just started. "someone is gonna get hurt... real bad!!! (quote from Russel Peters for those who are not familiar) literally.
Sohrab
Jan 24, 2013 10:05pm
I do. Reason...its poor who are yearning to break away from their shackles and one day they will.
Sohrab
Jan 24, 2013 10:08pm
Only if the army sticks to its professional role of protecting its borders and the supreme court if equal justice for all prevails including their own friends and family.
MohammadAli Ghanghro
Jan 24, 2013 10:49pm
Truth is stranger than fiction. There is more to this. Dr. Qadri could be a puppet who became alive, and had a soul/spirit of his own. Our problem is our establishment (Army) is running out of ideas. Power is slipping through their hands, establishment is no longer the lone player now. Other powers will hold the key now.
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 03:43pm
LOL Please define Insaaf for this dim one like me whose mother tongue is U.P. Urdu.
Mudassar
Jan 25, 2013 11:31am
NFP lets start writing about MQM now please,because you love to bash others, WE love to read about beloved MQM......cheers.
arif
Jan 24, 2013 11:42pm
Why do you have to drag Imran into everything ? Stop stalking him dude
aditya
Jan 25, 2013 12:11am
its the indians fault
aviratam
Jan 25, 2013 03:14pm
a la Mao?
Sajjad Canada
Jan 25, 2013 12:56am
Whenever we talk of a revolution in Pakistan, we should always keep the revolution of Iran in mind: started by the left leaning moderates and hijacked by the ultra-conservative mullahs!. Whatever be the intentions of Dr. Qadri, I am happy that in the end everybody in Pakistan realized that democracy (popular adult franchise) should win. And that is where I find the hope.
kumar
Jan 25, 2013 01:10am
Capt Khan are you referring to ISI when you say enemy within? not sure if your brothers and fellow citizen see that way
Zinc
Jan 25, 2013 12:32pm
Imran belongs to deobandi sect (Same as Taliban and other extremists) so there is nothing to worry for him until he give visit to any shrine, if only killing innocent people is the terrorist agenda behind suicide bombing, the biggest gathering is in Raiwand but terrorist wont blow themselves there because they have same ideology, for your kind info these are very well planned targets which you can only see on influential people who belong to minorities or Brelvi majority which are mostly now converted to wahabi or deobandi. you will only witness these terrorist blowing themselve on Ashura or Eid Milad un Nabi.
chump
Jan 25, 2013 01:18am
read what socialists have done in France. They are root cause of chaos. Hollande, Jose socrates .. list is huge
chump
Jan 25, 2013 01:21am
But still after border incident, both countries have vowed to move further with peace talks..( leads to nowhere, but lets give it a chance)
chump
Jan 25, 2013 01:33am
He is local for sure, he knows all the names related to religious and political parties. But it ain't his real name like David Cameron Headley.And he has a biggest quote book of world.
RX-1
Jan 25, 2013 12:29pm
Ha, ha, Moderators own personal pet.
chump
Jan 25, 2013 01:38am
Pakistan has nothing to worry from neighbours. India and Afghanistan need no more land and expensive wars. Stop spending on defence and pay attention to economic progress.
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 01:41am
NFP’s cursory mention of Turkey alongside Pakistan is apt, since Pakistan is waaaaaay ahead of Turkey in modernism (and I do not mean Westernization). Modernism came to India with East India company, and was reinforced by the Raj. Under the English, renaissance of Islam began in India, a renewal of modernism that was hallmark of Islam in its heyday (universal global vision, urban life, scientific schooling/university – both Islamic inventions, restaurant - public eating and takeout – all Islamic inventions, trading – an Islamic profession, travel – a Quranic exhortation). But while Pakistani thought is modern, even today Modernism has yet to come to Turkey where Westernization was introduced by Mustafa bin Ali Reza Effendi (aka Ataturk). After toying with Westernization for a few generations and being rejected by Europe, Turkey seems to have rejected the attempt of the late and turned its face towards the Muslims that it rejected in the past. Turks, as compared to Pakistanis, are pan-Turkic rather than pan-Islamic, do not travel as much, and public attitude towards business is not positive where Pakistan comes only second to the USA in global surveys. While Post-Ataturk Turkey closed mosques and banned Muslim dress, Indian Muslims never turned their face away from Islam. Turks may be more materially developed, they forfeited their right to lead Islam when they dumped Arabic, both study and script. A Turk standing beside me in prayer in an Istanbul mosque has no idea what beautiful calligraphy says around the dome above him. While Turkey outlawed Sufism closing its Tekkes, Indian Muslims continued it with gusto, giving rise to the more acceptable Barelvi Islam, a fine mix of Islamic and Indian traditions more acceptable to humanity at large. But one thing that ties Turkey and Pakistan is Mustafa bin Ali (Ataturk) and Mohammed Ali Jinnah, both anti-Kaliphate, both founders of Secular Republics following the sunnah of our Prophet AS who founded the Secular Republic of Medina with the constitution as the Covenant of Medina (a negotiated document between the Aws, the Khazraj, and the yehud) with rights for all. But Turkey never had an Iqbal.
Reference
Jan 25, 2013 12:28pm
Biggest quote book in the world but no understanding of any of it.
chump
Jan 25, 2013 01:44am
Syed needs high dose of '' zaid HAMID gul'' pill. Try to be Patriotic, my friend.
chump
Jan 25, 2013 01:47am
Saw him on khabarnaak and heard his Topi costs ' pentalis-hazar' . He must be rich.
Dr. D. Prithipaul
Jan 25, 2013 01:52am
Qadri has not established the viability of an Islam based on individual interpretation of the scriptures and tradition. He still speaks for an Umma. He does only change the political language within the egg of the Umma-based theocracy. He does not provide an exit to a more compassionate, tolerant, Islam open to the winds blowing from all quarters. Qadri's Barelvi proposal is a variation on the theme of the traditional closedness of Islam, of the islamic mind, of the Umma. What did he say of the thousands of madrassas which nurture this closedness and of the prescribed public school text-books which channel this closedness inro the secular environment? The opportunistic ambiguities of the past politics of Qadri tell it all. He has till now been acting like the acrobat who runs his Barelvi motorcycle within the close sphere of Islamic Orthodoxy. The motorcyclist kept churning around and all over, but within, the sphere without going anywhere.
KHAN
Jan 25, 2013 02:03am
LOOK AT THE HISTORY BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEAL
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 02:20am
Allama Qadri is an Islamic scholar, on ground firm enough to give a 600 page fatwa. But the other media darling Imran Khan is on a very sandy footing, Islamically, The word Insaf is pre-Islamic, pre-Christian, a patently Musa-ic concept. It is nowhere in the Quran. “Munsif” is neither one of the 99 names of Allah, nor of the 99 names of our Prophet. The root is “nisf”, meaning half, or generally, “Equity”. A tooth for tooth, an eye for an eye kind. Equity was the central pillar of Bani Israel long before prophet Jesus brought out a more humane sharia based on Love. In Indo/Pak parlance it is wrongly confused with “justice” for which the correct word is “Adl”, a name for Allah, and “Adil” is also both one of the 99 names for Allah and our Prophet AS. When two women appeared before nabi Solomon claiming the same child but without the proof, applied the law of “Insaf- nisf”. A child was legally a property, and so would be divided half each. But the true mother protested, so using his reason Solomon applied “Adl”, giving each his due. The principle of Equity is pre Islamic. Sura 8, Anfal, begins: [8:1] They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war. Say: "(such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger … New Muslims were used to the older principle of Equity of Jahiliya, and insisted on equal division. But the Prophet gave each his due, less to some, more to others. Here are the ayat that forbid the application of the principle of “Insaf”. [4-95], [5-100], [6-50], [19-9], [24-11], [16-71], [16-75], [16-76], [32-18], [39-9], [39-29], [40-58], [41-34], [45-21], [57-10], [59-20] The Bani Israel were Tribal, and Insaf is Tribal Justice. Our Khan Sahib needs to come out of the Tribal Area Laws to modernity. TPI will take us back to era even before Christianity. Equity was also used by the Soviet Socialists as their Principle of operation, and we all know what that ended up with.
Nasir Kazmi
Jan 25, 2013 02:58pm
We Must Get Rid Of Layers Like Him. He can say any thing for his personal gains. need to have right and educated person on the top post.
Gandhian
Jan 25, 2013 03:45am
There is no doubt that the discipline and peace demonstrated by such a large number of long march processionists, for so many days and nights, in freezing cold has shown to the entire world the none-violent, tolerant and peace loving face of over-whelming majority of Pakistani Nation. Also it gave a chance to the world to see the beauty of democratic leadership of PPP who unlike the outgoing dictator instead using lethal force to crush the voice of opponents tackled their so fierce opponent with admirably farsightedness, honor and dignity.
Faiza G R Bhatt
Jan 25, 2013 03:58am
why can't it be Zardari's ploy to further divide anti-PPP vote in the Punjab?
Faiza G R Bhatt
Jan 25, 2013 04:02am
Imran khan and PTI is secular. that is why it has people like Samson Simon Sharaf and singer/musician Abrar Hussain in its leadership.
Mehreen Rehman
Jan 25, 2013 04:03am
I don't know if a change is going to happen in the upcoming elections as a result of agreement b/w govt and TUQ but I am surely going to follow up with interest on TUQ's oath violation proceedings at the Canadian Federal Court (if the media report is correct) for which he has been summoned to appear on February 5 and for which he has engaged a team of four lawyers to defend him. It would be a public service if the Court and or Canadian Government also looks into the assets and finances of TUQ, his family and organization. http://tribune.com.pk/story/496174/oath-violation-qadri-to-file-appeal-in-canadian-federal-court/
Faiza G R Bhatt
Jan 25, 2013 04:03am
by the same token then there should have been one religion, don't you think?
Mehreen Rehman
Jan 25, 2013 04:09am
P.S: Asylum oath violation.
RSS
Jan 25, 2013 12:19pm
Hindus actually.
FactCheck
Jan 25, 2013 12:17pm
"prophet Jesus brought out a more humane sharia based on Love." . Not so. In the Bible Jesus clearly states that he had come to "Uphold the Law" of Moses, The Torah. To change the meaning and words of scripture is called blasphemy. You do that same with the Koran. You have a habit of coming here and ponificating at length without knowledge or undestanding of te subject.. You make up stuff and preach it as you go along and then you put your slant on it.
Rafi
Jan 25, 2013 02:30pm
@ Nasir, Brother why should u feel offended? I called TUQ a visionary, secular ,international statesman.Visionary becoz he has these divine visions in his dreams, secular becoz he drafted the blasphemy laws which are fair to all religions, international for impressing the west and the Indians and finally a statesman for the way he planned his exit from the container. Frankly after his marathon speeches from the container I won't waste brain cells on his other lectures. I think the Norwegian minister who called his bluff in the Peace Conference did the job for us in exposing his double talk on blasphemy laws. To take part in elections he has to give up his Canadian nationality and that he won't do. And please, when did he become a constitutional expert , that's news to me.
Virkaul
Jan 25, 2013 05:34am
Capt Khan, you have hit the bull's eye. Qadri came like AAYE BAHAAR BAN KE LUBHA KAR CHALE GAYE
Ganesh (India)
Jan 25, 2013 05:37am
you are right.. democracy is (however faulty it might be) sure solution for many of problems that Pakistan faces today. People should realize that solving problems of curruption / intolerance etc will take time in democracy but it is possible. However in autocracy it is next to impossible. One thing I would suggest here is always stick to traditional political parties (PPP, PML, MQM, ANP etc) and try to 'change' them. New political parties which got formed over year/months/days will need few years to learn and appreciate basic principle's of democracy. If some new political leader promises to eradicate curruption in 10 days or 1 month !!! means he does not understand how democracy works...
Gujesh
Jan 25, 2013 06:21am
Qadri had visited India. He came to Gujarat also to inaugurate a Muslim Educational Institute. Delivering inaugural speech he said that he is against all terrorist activities (particularly in the name of Islam) and also that his University in Pakistan teached Ramayan, Mahabharat, Vedas and Geeta. If what he said is correct, Pakistanis may think of trying him as he seems to be secular.
Assistant Director
Jan 25, 2013 06:36am
it just does not matter who Qadri was. what matters is that those in power need to take this long march fiasco as lesson learned and realize that the only way they can guard themseleves against non-democratic forces trying to oust them; is by delivering full on the promises they make before coming into power. Once they do it, they earn the nation's support and no power is greater then the power of the people.
aabdul
Jan 25, 2013 06:39am
Qadri flooded the nation with a massive book on Fatwa, which was completely ignored by everyone other than the printers. Khan threatened to flood the nation with a tsunami but no-one really left shores despite misery. Be it paper or an imaginary tsunami, both of these characters are opportunists. Just look back and see who these guys have supported in the past - you will find too many consistent similarities. What a shame that Pakistan is once again being fooled by two fake leaders.
aabdul
Jan 25, 2013 06:42am
Just look at that beautiful color photo of Imran proudly standing next to Maulana and Musharraf, and then you ask why Imran's name comes up.
abbastoronto
Jan 25, 2013 02:20pm
Sajjad Sahib: AOA Both Iqbal and Jinnah were against Democracy, but for the Republic, as Democracy is winner take all, while Republic is proportional representation. Iqbal is on record in stating that Republic was the form of government closest to Islam. “Democracy” is a most misunderstood notion. It is the rule of the Demos, the 5% moneyed males, for stratified societies like India, UK, Canada, while Republic is the rule of the Public, an egalitarian government of the people, by the people, for the people (said Lincoln the Republican) led by the learned, It is favoured by France, US, PRC, and Muslim countries. To make confusing water even more muddied in popular eyes, the US Republicans and Democrats switched roles during 1920-1930. Today, the US Republicans push for Democracy abroad (since Pakistani Demos is easier to control than then Pakistani Public at large) while the Democrats want an egalitarian society (as pushed by Socrates of the Republic). Elections or adult franchise has nothing to do with either Democracy or Republic. Good governance is when public opinion is reflected at the top, whether by inheritance, appointment, selection, acclamation, request, election, or one-man one-vote franchise. It happens often even under the military where suffrage may fail as so eloquently described herein by NFP. In every overthrow of the elected government in Pakistan the public was relieved and supported the military. Pak Military is Republic minded. Wassalam
Observer
Jan 25, 2013 07:42am
Can't agree more. Every word you have typed is precisely what I always say. Thank you. It seems there are two wise people left (Ganesh and observer). :-)
Susan
Jan 25, 2013 07:55am
Very useful article written with a lot of clarity especially for people trying to get some insights into the context - thank you Naddem very much
Shan
Jan 25, 2013 08:11am
Can pakistan be secular? Can it ensure equality to its Hindu citizens? Can Hindus practice and propogate? No. Pakistan is genetically brutal and retro.
Dr Khan
Jan 25, 2013 02:14pm
I have a dream...................... Martin Luther king.
Khalid
Jan 25, 2013 08:50am
It was like an action movie without any action, I am so disappointed .
Rafi
Jan 25, 2013 08:55am
He also gets divine guidance in his dreams, talks to the dead,has sudden visions while walking and has failed in politics earlier. He drafted the blasphemy laws in Urdu and trashed the same laws in English. Very secular that. His religious discourses junk the politicians to hell while his political side hugs and praises the same politicians; all in the same container. I say mate Narinder Modi needs him more than we do; he might deliver him the Muslim vote he so desperately needs.
Rafi
Jan 25, 2013 09:05am
Bro, Ever heard the Urdu phrase" Baal ki khaal utarna". Take a deep breath and analyse the word " Tehreek" in Allama TUQ's Pakistan Awami Tehreek.