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ISLAMABAD: Some lawmakers expressed concern on Wednesday over the possible use of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) by China to enhance trade with India.

During a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Planning and Development, some lawmakers were of the view that China was investing in the CPEC project to explore new vistas of trade with different countries right from neighbouring India to Central Asian states and Europe.

Chairman of the committee Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi endorsed a point of view of a senator that with improved rail and road links with India through Munabao and Amritsar under the CPEC, China would expand its trade not only with Central Asian states and European countries but also with India to economically strengthen its eight underdeveloped provinces.

“China will definitely use the CPEC to expand trade with India because one who invests always watches one’s interests first,” Mr Mashhadi said.

He said China’s trade relations with India were far bigger than with Pakistan as China had inked $100 billion trade agreements with India last year.

“Irrespective of sour Pakistan-India relations, China will do trade with Indian through the CPEC,” Mr Mashhadi said.

Members of the committee asked railway authorities to lay rail tracks called ML-2 and ML-3 that link Pakistan with Iran and Afghanistan and Central Asian states.

“These projects must be on the priority of China to reach these destinations,” Senator Saud Majeed said.

However, railway officials informed the committee that they were focusing on improving the existing rail tracks called ML-1 from Karachi to upcountry as a majority of the people lived in the areas falling in alignment of ML-1.

Senator Sirajul Haq said that the government should give priority first to those projects which were beneficial to the people of Pakistan and then it should safeguard interests of China.

He was of the view that if the people of less developed areas in Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) did not benefit from the CPEC, they would have no other option but to take up arms to earn their livelihood.

“If economic conditions of ignored areas are not improved, people living in those areas will be compelled to fight against anybody for only Rs2,000,” the Jamaat-i-Islami chief said.

The officials of Pakistan Railways informed the committee that all rail projects being executed under the CPEC were planned by both Pakistan and China and the former alone could not go for any project on its own.

“Both countries have joint working groups which plan and finalise projects,” they said.

At this, Senator Haq said that recently some of his colleagues had visited China for discussions on the CPEC where they were informed by Chinese authorities that Pakistan had the sole right of planning and decision-making about CPEC projects and China had nothing to do with it.

Senator Mohammad Usman Khan Kakar said that Pakistan Railways had not taken even a single step forward.

“We have not gone beyond what we inherited from the British rulers,” he regretted.

He suggested that plans for new railway tracks in Sindh and Balochistan (ML-2 and ML-3) must be implemented immediately because these were the routes which would make Pakistan economically strong.

“We have abundance of natural resources like gold, copper, silver, marble and granite in these areas which can be marketed to Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asian states through rail routes,” he said.

The committee was informed that a majority of electricity generation projects started by the government would be completed between 2018 and 2020.

Published in Dawn November 17th, 2016


Comments (201) Closed



Mare Nov 17, 2016 06:55am

I doubt India will import through Pakistan.

Satish Nov 17, 2016 09:18am

China only doing business, Why pakistani happy? they are concern about only sell their product. They dont care Pakistan Growth. They want to reach to other by CPEC.

Zak Nov 17, 2016 09:19am

Who cares with whom China trades , we are interested in our commission , more trade more profit for us.

D K pamnani Nov 17, 2016 09:21am

Correct thinking

Human Nov 17, 2016 09:24am

Why is the Govt always trying to export instead of bolstering internal consumption which in turn creates more wealth within the country.

JKhan Nov 17, 2016 09:28am

Does it imply that CPEC and Gawadar is sold out again. President Ayub Khan bought it back from Oman and PML N true to its mentality sold it to China? Pakistan is only a Toll Collecting Agency!

pakistani Nov 17, 2016 09:39am

Good more money

Mujtaba Nov 17, 2016 09:44am

Who cares if India is inculded in CPEC. CPEC is for the whole region, not just China & Pakistan.

lafanga Nov 17, 2016 09:50am

Yes India can enjoy benefits of CPEC but not without giving up kashmir.

CPEC Nov 17, 2016 09:51am

CPEC only for Pakistan and China. Other countries should back off

Ad Nov 17, 2016 09:53am

it will be good for Pakistan, India will be dependent on Pakistan for its trade with China and it will generate employment opportunities in Pakistan and India that both countries desperately need

WhatsInTheName Nov 17, 2016 09:55am

So, where is the problem. China can only hurt itself if not trading with India.

seeker Nov 17, 2016 09:55am

@Mujtaba Right thinking. One thing is clear though, whatever happens the biggest beneficiary will be China. Rest will get just crumbs unless they are very watchful.

viv Nov 17, 2016 09:57am

The mystery around real intentions of China is growing day by day.It is not bad to include India but then it may not be game changer for Pakistan vis-a-vis India.

TaxClear.com Nov 17, 2016 10:03am

China has already offered CPEC benefits to India. And India is all open for more trade.

wellwisher Nov 17, 2016 10:13am

have the rulers not yet understood what is CPEC

Ashraf Baig Nov 17, 2016 10:13am

CPEC is infrastructure, what about resources ? who will buy and who will sell ?

Sid Nov 17, 2016 10:17am

Zak for once I agree with you :)

TRUTH Nov 17, 2016 10:26am

Land route is almost 10 times expensive than sea route. What is Pakistan going to export to other countries? Can these goods produced in Pakistan be cheaper than Chinese goods? Will China allow Pakistan to compete with their own goods? Electricity cost is higher in Pakistan compared to other South Asian countries. How Pakistan can compete with other countries in manufacturing with high electricity cost? Most of the Chinese population and industries are in East China. Why should China transport goods through land which is 10 times expensive compared to sea. How are you going to pay back the loans? Above all, not to mention the security, law and order, Taliban, terrorism, bad relation with neighboring countries and corruption etc in Pakistan. Chinese are here only for profit. Period

jana Nov 17, 2016 10:30am

What is the problem if whole region trade in this route it will enhance all countries ties and everyone will benefit from it

Skeptic Nov 17, 2016 10:33am

These must be some illiterate, ignorant and clueless Senators. If they had bothered to even glance at the map of the subcontinent, they would've noticed that India and China share a border. It would be much more practical and economical for India and China acorss their own border, rather ship goods to and from Gawadar.

The time saved to get products to market, by several days alone through their own borders which are much closer to their respective markets, is a no brainier. These Senators need to study geography first.

Raja Nov 17, 2016 10:39am

If it happens, it is actually good for Pakistan. It will ensure peace in the region.

Dev Nov 17, 2016 10:54am

China doesn't need CPEC for trade with India, we already trade with them through our land border with them.

adeel khawaja Nov 17, 2016 10:56am

i agree to mr. mashadi's comments to some extant. although china invested in sea-pack, but the thing is, either we shall limitise him or not. i think oak should have to limitise china to not do trade with India. After all he just invested not entirely take over all rights. being a possession country on see-pack its our right to limitise any one.

anon Nov 17, 2016 10:57am

Whats wrong with it exactly? Let's mend our relations with our neighbors, and stop fighting!

don't judge me Nov 17, 2016 11:01am

If Sindh and other areas are underdeveloped,it is solely our fault. Even now we can turn the tide in our favor if only we are sincere.

NaveedKhan Nov 17, 2016 11:25am

Nothing is free o you wise men!

Jamal Nov 17, 2016 11:27am

imagine the gas emission from the heavy trucks carrying chinese goods???, its a total destruction of our environment under the disguise of making money from cpec, chinese doth give a damn about pakistan, its about providing cheaper times to western and other countries so that it stays competitive,

Pakistan should not expect others to build the country. Do it yourself. otherwise with increasing pollution , the ill effects on the country environment and also on the peoples health will be enormous and much more expensive over years to come.

Gem Khan Nov 17, 2016 11:28am

It's only Pakistan who will decide about the planning and routes of CPEC. Nothing to worry.

Feroz Nov 17, 2016 11:28am

All bogus talk because it is much easier for China to reach India by the eastern route through Myanmar.

AS1 Nov 17, 2016 11:32am

If CPEC can become CIPEC the better. Economics can help us all.

LEt me comment Nov 17, 2016 11:33am

Let everyone come into the trade... See otherwise and it is a good news.. we just need to hold things tight and enable our self enough to take care of Golden sparrow. Rest is assured.

shahzaib latif Nov 17, 2016 11:34am

Not a big deal either way.

Umar Farooq Nov 17, 2016 11:38am

More trade, more routes, more infrastructure , more taxes , more jobs , so we are losing nothing.............

kamal Pasha Nov 17, 2016 11:40am

@AS1, China does not have good relations with India and Pakistan consider India as enemy. So forget it.

A SHah Nov 17, 2016 11:57am

Why would china ignore the worlds fastest growing economy?

JET LEE Nov 17, 2016 12:04pm

so what!!! they have the right to use CPEC according to their benefits. Don't forget they are looking CPEC in trade prism; and spending billions of Dollars. Ask politicians have they signed the condition which paved a way to trade with India via CPEC. If yes...Than you don't have the right to raise the finger towards China.

Jarb Nov 17, 2016 12:26pm

Lot of somersaults.

Vikas Nov 17, 2016 12:38pm

@TRUTH Absolutely the Truth. CPEC can never be a game changer. Although my view is not and not going to be shared by many in the near future. The entire plan by China is to indebt Pakistan and then have a leverage over them. Funds will flow in and the debt cycle starts. While CPEC is incomplete and does not deliver full benefits the debt that has come in for the part completed still has to be serviced. Fall into that cycle and every one with a little knowledge of economics knows what happens.

Hassan Nov 17, 2016 12:40pm

The emerging economies are due to their population. Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Afica. Pakistan has lot of potential to prosper once it has good relations with neighbors. Pakistan via OBOR can connect with Turkey, Central Asia & Russia. Do not predict what Pakistan is now. India is welcomed to CPEC.

Hassan Nov 17, 2016 12:46pm

Only Mashhaidi is pessimistic about CPEC. He is not an economist. CPEC is not limited to USD 51 billion. It will attract billion of dollars from other countries like Turkey, Iran & EC in the future. Based on current investments it will create 2 million jobs up to 2020. It is building confidence of foreign investors. Pakistan can be developed like this way only. The military imports of Pakistan are already decreases due to its home grown military industry.

Desi Dimag Nov 17, 2016 12:51pm

India and China are linked with the road. No need to use CPEC for trade between both the countries.

abbas Nov 17, 2016 01:20pm

No harm in it if Kashmir demilitarized & Pak water unblocked. then even integration of India, Iran & Afghanistan in CPEC bring stability & prosperity to whole region.

A truthful Muslim Nov 17, 2016 01:40pm

We are in trap

Shahzad Nov 17, 2016 01:56pm

Even if CPEC is used to trade with India its good for Pakistan.

Import and other excise duties will only earn revenue for Pakistan. However, its not possible for the foreseeable future.

CPEC should be linked to Afghanistan and Iran (Chahbahar port) as well. Gwadar and Chahbahar can co-exist and a highly integrated economy developed in the region.

AW Nov 17, 2016 02:08pm

Pakistan will benefit if China utilizes CPEC for trade with India and Iran, so why are the Senators worried about it?? It is time that we as a country focus on economic development while continuing to work on resolving territorial disputes with our neighbors in a peaceful manner and through negotiations for political solutions. Threat of war should no longer be a consideration

Rebirth Nov 17, 2016 02:20pm

India-China friendship is of deep concern because it will sabotage Modi's efforts to economically cripple India as he did by destroying cash and the social fabric of his country. Modi's role in disintegrating india and freeing the countless nations therein faces hurdles when India and China get closer. The world is obviously taking note but so should Pakistan. China must join Pakistan's peace-keeping efforts alongside Kashmiris and the Sikhs. Peace in India and South Asia, as an extension, requires undoing past and present wrongs in the Union of Indian Republics.

Romm Nov 17, 2016 02:27pm

@Satish Burnol???

JET LEE Nov 17, 2016 02:33pm

Well.... India China friendship is not deeper than sea and sweater than honey... Their friendship is completely based on Business & only business.

Umer Salahuddin Nov 17, 2016 02:55pm

Why Senate committee has always negative comments about CPEC.

Ahsan Nov 17, 2016 03:06pm

Such doubts may not be ignored totally. Our relationship with China is also linked :as " Enemy's Enemy becomes Friend". India had fought with China in the year 1962 and with Pakistan 3 times. Besides China dreams to be global Super Power

kamal Pasha Nov 17, 2016 03:08pm

@Umer Salahuddin, Fully agree with you. Our senators do not know anything about running the government.

Syam Nov 17, 2016 03:10pm

Friend ship can be deep, higher and trusted but business is business.

Tariq, Lahore Nov 17, 2016 03:12pm

India could not care less whether trade comes via A, B or C. It would be extremely narrow minded of us if China takes such advantage!

vikram Nov 17, 2016 03:16pm

Please tell your senators that there is already a road link between India and China at Nathu La. Second one is being created for China's access to Bangladesh and export fom Calcutta port. So guys it is al business for both of us.

jamal hasan Nov 17, 2016 03:29pm

It would be a good move. It could ease tensions between India and Pakistan because high trade eases war tensions between countries.

ranjeet Nov 17, 2016 03:28pm

@Zak Ok... Good than Pak is not allowing Afgan to trade with India and vice versa ...

Dev Nov 17, 2016 03:58pm

@Ad Not exactly,it will be an alternate route for India incase India decides to trade through Pak,We have Chahbahar and other ways to reach the Central Asian markets.

Hassan Nov 17, 2016 03:59pm

china has borders with India why would they travel in the opposite direction to reach Gwadar then to India???

Cavalier Nov 17, 2016 04:01pm

CPEC is a big project so our senators need to think big too. It shouldn't be a point of concern, rather an opportunity. The more the countries join in (including india) the better it will be for the Pakistan. Even a lay man understands the fact that more the products move from Pakistan(even in transit) the more tax government is going to get.

Khwarezmi Nov 17, 2016 04:04pm
  1. Urging or hinting an armed uprising against the state will land you in jail in any other democracy.
  2. CPEC must benefit Western Pakistanis.
  3. India, which share border with China, wont import via Pakistan.
Kaly Nov 17, 2016 04:14pm

@Rebirth - Modi is the best PM...what you are talking?

Akash Nov 17, 2016 04:18pm

China will only do whatever is best for her.

Umer Salahuddin Nov 17, 2016 04:26pm

During cold war US and Russia had trade relationships and passing any comments about CPEC Senate should know this fact.

pakistani Nov 17, 2016 04:45pm

India would have to use CPEC in future anyway, india can not do trade in central Asia and middle east without going thru pakistan.

Ilias from NL Nov 17, 2016 04:46pm

@lafanga What you have said is correct ! My stem with your view.

Aamir mangat Nov 17, 2016 04:45pm

@Satish being an Indian its natural for you not accepting the truth . If china is doing b ussiness then so is Pakistan.business activity across Pakistan is going to pproduce a lot of jobs and revenue for Pakistan so our neighbouring India must not feel sad

Imtiaz Karim Nov 17, 2016 04:50pm

@JKhan .. it's not Ayoub Khan or any other but it was Sir Aga Khan, The Sultan Muhammad Shah who brought Gawader from Oman, its became the hobby of we Pakistanis to change and rewrite the history.

Ilias from NL Nov 17, 2016 05:05pm

Most important thing is to control all traffic on CPEC we should put some strict rules on ground to reduce emission of carbon monoxide from the running trucks.

sherali mitha Nov 17, 2016 05:42pm

Fix our roads, railways and have a decent infastructure to enhance trade activities for all the provinces of Pakistan. Should China go for an increased trade activities with India or any other Country, that's fine. They have a right to do so and they can make the most use of roads, railways and port facilities to increase their exports.

aamir ayub Nov 17, 2016 06:17pm

very wrong fears of mr senator. China has direct borders with central asian states as well as India. The biggest problem for China trade was the smooth sailing to middle east and africa and that is fulfilled by gwadar.

M. Siddique Nov 17, 2016 06:22pm

How can China use CPEC to increase trade with India without Pakistan allowing it. Moreover China is an independent country and they trade with any country they wish. If other countries benefit from CPEC then Pakistan will benefit as well.

M. Siddique Nov 17, 2016 06:24pm

@JKhan, Historical correction: Gawadar was purchased before Ayub came to power.

Masood Hussain Nov 17, 2016 06:25pm

Pakistan need not worry about Indo-Chinese trade flourishing through CPEC.

AK Nov 17, 2016 06:33pm

it was an observation rather than a warning

Mohammed Nov 17, 2016 06:33pm

Pakistan does not have to worry about debt produced by CPEC as it will not be paid back . It's not that China does not need the infrastructure so they should stop calling it debt and treat it as cost of doing business. The government should extract maximum value.

farman Nov 17, 2016 06:37pm

I think it will be a best option to chose cpec for trade with Ind. actually it will be highly beneficial for Pak n region as well. both countries will think twice before risking their ties

someone Nov 17, 2016 06:44pm

@pakistani
May be you don't know it yet but India is working on Chabahar port and then a railway line and road to Afghanistan and central Asia. That would take care the business of India.

Mumtaz Baig Nov 17, 2016 06:59pm

These are now creating doubts in our mind about CPEC. China will look after their interest and we should ours. Our interest is very clear and that is the development of Pakistan. New roads, rail road lines, power stations, new cities and port revenue.

aamir ayub Nov 17, 2016 07:02pm

India could not get financial benefits through chahbahar port deelopment.

Optimistic Pakistani Nov 17, 2016 07:01pm

@TRUTH don't think too much about Pakistan. We are living despite all the problems and living in a good condition not as it is perceived in the media. We have wealth of talent and resources and CPEC would generate good income for us. China should be the biggest beneficiary in this route and even if we get peanuts would be in billions. We would help China to further boost their economy.

Mumtaz Baig Nov 17, 2016 07:02pm

@Satish if Pakistan does not have much to gain then why India is so worried about CPEC? Check with your own government the impact of CPEC on Pakistan.

Optimistic Pakistani Nov 17, 2016 07:08pm

@someone who cares???? Do what ever you feel like.

Gerry D'Cunha Nov 17, 2016 07:09pm

China is more interested in trade rather than Bossom friendship,it wants to deal equally with Pakistan and India

chakram Nov 17, 2016 07:10pm

China will do deals mostly only in their interest, may not be mutual. They did this deal because Pakistan is the bridge between this side and the other sides. Pakistan has to be very careful.

sindhi Nov 17, 2016 07:14pm

Acrimony with and towards India is different but getting sandwiched between the two Asian giants is completely different. we should be very careful and vigilant

zak Nov 17, 2016 07:25pm

Firstly, for China , Pakistan is the key in all their foreign policy planning for decades to come. Secondly, India is but a small fry in their gigantic economic pot. India accounted for 1.89% of total trade. Central Asia will boost that 10 fold.

saber Nov 17, 2016 07:45pm

They need to do something productive ..wasting time in mere speculation ...

kamal Nov 17, 2016 08:01pm

@Optimistic Pakistani India shares more than 3009 KM of boarder with China. If China and India wants to trade , they don't require any other country.

rathorew Nov 17, 2016 08:11pm

These legislators talking about laying railway tracks right and left are ignoring a simple question: who will pay for the investment? Pakistanis don't pay taxes; our country has the lowest ratio of taxes to GDP of any country at our level of per capita income. If Pakistanis expect other countries to foot the bill for developing our infrastructure, they should not be surprised if the investor thinks of its own interests also.

Mustafa R. Nov 17, 2016 08:19pm

But these are the same senators who want Pakistan to trade with India.

Govind Nov 17, 2016 08:19pm

Trade between India and china is more than 100 Billion dollar..so why india would prefer trade via Pakistan. There are so many contentions issues between India and China but not a single bullet is fired and the border remains peaceful. Let trade,art,culture and people to people relationship flourish between India and Pakistan putting contentions issues on peaceful dialogue.

Mustafa R. Nov 17, 2016 08:21pm

@Mujtaba;

' CPEC is for the whole region, not just China & Pakistan.'

It is, however it is sort of like NSG, if you are an enemy of one of the existing members, you can't get in.

Trollslayer Nov 17, 2016 08:22pm

@zak None of the Central Asian states have the purchasing power of middle income states. India's middle class and its purchasing power makes it a much bigger and more attractive market in comparison to all of Central Asia. Don't live in denial of facts and figures.

Mustafa R. Nov 17, 2016 08:24pm

@viv;

'The mystery around real intentions of China is growing day by day.'

There is no mystery, you are only spreading Baniya truth, keep chanting and it will become a truth.

Sa Nov 17, 2016 08:25pm

@Vikas I believe China has bigger goals. Given the history of our region they won't stop at Pakistan !

Khan Nov 17, 2016 08:27pm

@someone "road to Afghanistan" is a very bumpy road. Best of Luck!!

A. Rashid Nov 17, 2016 08:48pm

Trade, improved infrastructure - rail, roads is good for future growth. Let us not be afraid. Given the opportunity, Pakistan has some of the best and hardworking people with entrepreneurial minds in the world. Competition is a good thing.

Raj Nov 17, 2016 08:52pm

@zak come on man... either you are a fool or trying to become one.. India-China total trade is 100B..

Sameer Nov 17, 2016 08:57pm

The era of countries is over...simply put...corporates come first...even before humanity. Real beneficiaries will be company owners and corporate tycoons, be it India, China or Pakistan.

J USA Nov 17, 2016 09:09pm

@JET LEE ...let me tell you something.. all relationships with China are same way....

Taufeeq Nov 17, 2016 09:26pm

@Govind I completely agree with your views. We should not stick with only one issue and put all trades aside. China and India are doing businesses with their issues but like developed countries they did not stop trade despite with differences. I wish our powerful people could realize this fact and begin with trade and other activities rather focusing on one issue.

MS Nov 17, 2016 09:30pm

No free lunch!!! Whether India or Pakistan... Any country who does a business, does for its own interest....China must have ensured 100 times more benefit than what Pakistan can think for herself.....No opportunity will be dropped at the expense of China interest.....wait and watch..............

aslam shaikh1 Nov 17, 2016 09:34pm

There are shorter ways to export to India. Senators are angry because they did not get any contracts and kickbacks from this mega project.

aslam shaikh1 Nov 17, 2016 09:36pm

@Satish we have a new network of highways. If changes like this continue Pakistan will reach new heights.

naghman Nov 17, 2016 09:40pm

senators learn to make business decisions which favour your country.keep your friends close and your enemy closer

Joseph Nov 17, 2016 09:40pm

It's business everywhere guys... China have invested tons of money on cpec. Now it's time to harvest it back... It doesn't care about whether Pakistan or India benefits from this mega projects.. China focus on only their interest...

Ehtesham Nov 17, 2016 09:52pm

@lafanga lol.. in your dreams

usher Nov 17, 2016 09:51pm

If india imports through this route we might be able to make money, there is no harm in that.

Nawaz Nov 17, 2016 09:52pm

That too is in Pak's interest. Pak enjoys strategic value, must get its advantage. Inter dependency of nations is guarantee of peace. Europe is example. Both the world wars were fought by Europeans. After loosing millions of people, they are enjoying good relations. We will not grow unless solve our problems. Wishing good luck to Sub-Continent.

Fetu cheez Nov 17, 2016 10:10pm

China is our brother nation, Xi Jin Pin said they dont trade with India and cutting down every day and adding dams to Indian rivers. This is fake news spread by indian agents, there are so many embedded in Pakistan now but we will root them all out. Pakistan Paindabad!

Fetu cheez Nov 17, 2016 10:12pm

@Hassan Geography my friend. China India border is barren on Chinese side, it is a dead land of Tibetans with nothing of value. Not even proper roads or industries.

a Nov 17, 2016 10:20pm

@Mare India is doing business with China. How the stuff reaches is immaterial as long as it reaches safe and sound.

Curious Nov 17, 2016 10:20pm

@Human how does internal consumption increase? Give it a thought

a Nov 17, 2016 10:22pm

@Mujtaba Included ? Nobody is included. Your partner China has invested massively in this road project, and they can use to do business with any nation to reconvert teir investment. Nearest nations are India, Iran

Umreekan_Sundi Nov 17, 2016 10:22pm

Our parliamentarians embarrass me sometimes - no, all the times in-facr

a Nov 17, 2016 10:27pm

@Skeptic It is true that the Nepal India route and the Nathu la route are much easier routes if China wants to send goods into India. But India isnt the focus of this Road project thro Pakistan. Many countries are targeted, and India can be reached through Gwadar Bombay route as well.

a Nov 17, 2016 10:28pm

@Hassan Pakistan is nobody to welcome any other country. China will trade with whoever she wants. And who can ignore a 1350 million market ?

NAsSER Nov 17, 2016 10:34pm

China made it very clear that it wants to increase trade within the region. India happens to be in that region. So what is the problem. For China, its own interests come first - but, of course! The point is that the rest, Pakistan and India included, can benefit from it too. This is great!!!

AmicabeOne Nov 17, 2016 10:48pm

@Zak All the interest and income will go into repaying China for the loans taken..

AmicabeOne Nov 17, 2016 10:50pm

@Ad China is using CPEC to expand its reach towards Middle east and central Asia....they are using using as a logistics support thats it...dont see much benefit for Pakistan...

AmicabeOne Nov 17, 2016 10:53pm

@Rebirth In the article other regions in Pakistan are getting isolated and have no benefit from CPEC...so these provinces will separate out automatically...

"He was of the view that if the people of less developed areas in Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) did not benefit from the CPEC, they would have no other option but to take up arms to earn their livelihood."

Khwarezmi Nov 17, 2016 11:07pm

@Sameer Have you not been following what is happening in the world with Brexit, Trump and rise of the far-right? The era of countries is not over. The Economist had an article on it this very week. Search it up.

Jim Beam Nov 17, 2016 11:12pm

@Rebirth Wow. What clarity of thought. I think many rebublics are going to come

Steve Boston Nov 17, 2016 11:18pm

@Mare India does not care. The import is fro China not Pakistan

Steve Boston Nov 17, 2016 11:17pm

@Zak Finally some intelligent thinking by ZAK

Manu Nov 17, 2016 11:34pm

Chinese Govt has requested Govt of India for parallel land route linking Tibet to Arabian Sea through Gujarat ports. This route is shorter than CPEC and requires no security investment hence far more economical in Chinese calculations. What then?

P Setra Nov 17, 2016 11:37pm

@Mare If China wants I do not think there is any agreement barring China from doing it. They are the lenders. Why should that affect Pakistan adversely?

A Ali Nov 17, 2016 11:43pm

this is tip of iceberg... CPEC is just a bundle of lies, nothing in real, all fake stories fabricated by PMLN and its leadership...

Hopeful Nov 17, 2016 11:59pm

Fail-safe agreements regarding modus operendi can be put into effect.

Dr. Salaria, aamir ahmad Nov 18, 2016 12:15am

What a wild and wayward imagination?

San Nov 18, 2016 12:45am

@Rebirth

You view and Screen name contradict Fundamentals.............

Malik Nov 18, 2016 12:54am

Senators had totally myopic view. None of them was a businessman and made money out of business, paying taxes on them, employing people and keeping the just money as a profit. CPEC should be for the whole region including India, Afghanistan and other Central Asian Countries. Pakistan should also allow transit trade without any restrictions to Afghanistan via Peshawar as well as via Chaman and to Iran via Zahida. This would improve our roadways as well as railroad. This is how business and trade should prosper. Give free, uncontrolled access with strict law and order control and taken your genuine commission.Had this vision be kept, Iran would not have opened a rival port against us. In few short years, our economy would be the best in Asian country and we would not gloat on the number of soldiers killed from each side.

GoodHumar@USA.com Nov 18, 2016 01:06am

Damn!!! Who let the cat out of the bag....?

ismail Nov 18, 2016 01:09am

Pointless objections! I can recall how such objections led to death of Kalabagh Dam project.

Javed Nov 18, 2016 01:35am

The best litmus test for CPEC is India. If India is upset, it must be good for Pakistan, period!

Khan Nov 18, 2016 01:36am

Senators think CPEC is just a road. The name is a misnomer. CPEC is much more than a corridor - how will power plants in Pakistan aid Chinese trade with India? And why should we. be worried? Better to collect fees from road use than to see India china trade take place only via Nepal.

Mustache Ahmad Nov 18, 2016 01:44am

I am a regular reader of dawn. I wonder most of the commentars say CPEC is only useful to China, because they are investing. We all know that every body looks for his interest in business. That's true for China too or you expect something else. Now it is upto Pakistan to look for Pakistani interest. Only then you are realistic. Pakistan needs investment and it has to look for partners.

sac Nov 18, 2016 02:04am

@Sid I'm also surprised by Zaks comments Sometimes he brings out earthly acceptable facts. But most other times he says Sun roates around earth. Pleasantly surprisedw

Vijay Nov 18, 2016 03:23am

@Akash So should Pakistan and India.

nooneabovethelaw Nov 18, 2016 04:17am

Even if others are trading and Pakistan is not an active member, the benefits will still go to Pakistan as well, as it is providing the route. Look at the support system, hotels, labour, maintenance contracts, small scale industry etc. it will generate. Trade happens at another level, you need to have products to sell with quality and competitive prices, what does that have to do with what country one purchases it from. In fact if your industries are nearer to Gwader and produce goods at a competitive price, then how can that be matched by anyone else. Your goods will certainly have the greatest advantage. Stop this feudal thinking and start contributing.

Adeel Nov 18, 2016 04:48am

The pipe dream is that CPEC will solve all the problems in Pakistan and will make Pakistan a strong nation.

Yes, can if the Chinese investment is used right way but looking back at the history, I am not too sure

Samsonite Nov 18, 2016 05:26am

@lafanga : one correction India does.not need CPEC. China needs it to seel it's goods.

Ayub Nov 18, 2016 05:53am

Business is business and issues are issues. Both are two different things and must not be linked together. To improve the economic condition of the impoverished and deprived people of our country should be given importance and priority.

Alba Nov 18, 2016 06:03am

China always had more trade with Central Asia AND India in mind. Did Pakistan expect something for nothing? Philosophically China is closer to India than it is to Pakistan.

Rahat Nov 18, 2016 06:08am

No need to worry, China has already a working route of Nathula pass to India which can allow goods to reach new Delhi in much shorter time than from Karachi or from Pakistani gateways

Alba Nov 18, 2016 06:50am

@A SHah ... ... This year China became the second richest country in the world. India has done well expanding the middle class but is still being held back by unchecked population growth.

Sukhera Nov 18, 2016 06:56am

@Mare.It depends on the sales agreement which takes into account FOB Shipping Point and FOB destination. Of course there is difference in price depending on the delivery point.If the goods are delivered to the shipping point, the buyer is responsible for the shipping costs from the factory and the appropriate route. If the goods sold are delivered to the shipping destination, then the seller is liable to deliver the goods to the shipping destination and the buyer has no say on how the merchandise will be shipped there unless its in the agreement not to use Pakistani route. The Chinese companies will save millions of dollars on shipping costs and time if they use the shortest route through Pakistan. If India does not want to use the Pakistani route for its imports from China ,they have to pay the higher price for shipping charges and will take more time for delivery.Pakistan does not care if Indian bound merchandise use the shortest route but it does make economic sense.

Sukhera Nov 18, 2016 07:03am

@Cavalier . The chinese companies are exempt from paying taxes for 40 years. Its in the contract.

Sukhera Nov 18, 2016 07:09am

Pakistan railways has not improved or lay any new tracks since the day of partition. We have to have double tracks from Peshawar to all the way to Karachi. We should focus on building our Public transportation rather than highways.

g sindhu Nov 18, 2016 07:26am

India is not dependent on China even people don't want t purchase cheap China products.......

PAATCHU Nov 18, 2016 07:30am

INDiA & CHINA 2 old civilizations of the world. They better knew how to solve things amicably and maturely.

Sohail PAREKH Nov 18, 2016 07:56am

How naive! These lawmakers don't live in the real world. China is totally entitled to exploit CPEC for its interest (what are you thinking). If it does not work for Pakistan then add restrictions - however, that does not work.

More trade via CPEC is good for Pakistan including all the trade with India via CPEC.

Ashraf Baig Nov 18, 2016 07:56am

All these days CPEC, CPEC, CPEC now questions and doubts.

Being unhappy in one or the other way, reason being conspiracies. This is being unfaithfulness to China, which invested in infrastructure of this size.

Pakistan cannot trust its all weather friend!!!

Abdul Nov 18, 2016 08:48am

@CPEC yes China is the new Savior of Muslims all over the world.Pakistan as leader of Muslim world should deal with only China,cut off diplomatic relations with all non Muslim majority countries.

Ibby Nov 18, 2016 09:33am

@Zak Trade is based on item quality and price and not how it is routed. If India wants to buy Chinese goods, China has to provide an attractive price. If the landed cost does not suit India, China will call on Pakistan to negotiate commission or no commission and not India.

Siddhartha Nov 18, 2016 09:37am

This should help India and Pakistan to improve there relationship.

CPEC Supporter Nov 18, 2016 09:41am

Zak, you are learning and I have started to take you seriously.

danny Nov 18, 2016 09:45am

@Ad nothing wrong to dream about it but india is a smart player.china only does business more profit more good friend. pakistan will be the victim by china's game plan in the future. pakistan will benefit as a broker.

danny Nov 18, 2016 09:56am

@kamal Pasha china does not have good relation with america but more business does with america. china does not care relation care about money and prosperity. one can not do business with friend but with enemy. when enemy has the money, money talk. their religion is money that's why they going ahead. without money no religion feed you. poor fight for religion rich fight for money.

Javed Sarfraz Nov 18, 2016 10:18am

IS PAKISTAN NOT DOING TRADE WITH INDIA?

vs Nov 18, 2016 10:33am

@Rebirth Are you serious?

Ismail Nov 18, 2016 11:01am

Pakistan benefits in the sense that without buying Indian goods it still will collect toll revenue from India. China gets access to India and other markets. Having invested the money, it is the boss to decide whom it should trade with. India gets access to markets in interior provinces of China and Central Asia.

shera Nov 18, 2016 11:39am

@Feroz -Mumbai is final destination which is very near to karachi... Mynmar is Not an obivious route it has many more complications !!

J. J. Nov 18, 2016 11:43am

@Zak There is no commission. Where do you get these simple ideas?

Beefeater Nov 18, 2016 01:14pm

Overall the infrastructure of Pakistan benefits, secondly "who cares what India thinks"

Raunak Nov 18, 2016 02:11pm

It is surprising that such discussions, analyses and fears are happening when the project is almost complete. Pakistan , at this juncture, has little or no options even if these apprehensions are true.

aslam shaikh1 Nov 18, 2016 02:30pm

I wish our Politicians were sincere and along with their pockets also thought about common man's wellbeing.

anirban Nov 18, 2016 04:43pm

@CPEC time will show you

Mark Nov 18, 2016 05:51pm

@Ismail You are absolutely right. China has invested billions and will try to maximize profits on its investment. Noone can stop that.

Kumar Nov 18, 2016 06:26pm

@JET LEE There is difference between personal relationships/friendships and relationships between nations.

Axomiya Nov 18, 2016 09:32pm

@zak Central Asia will need to have the buying to increase trade by ten fold.

sam Nov 18, 2016 09:40pm

I had long suspected that.

MA Nov 18, 2016 10:02pm

What do we care, we are just providing road and charging toll, more money for us.

akram Nov 18, 2016 10:26pm

the views of the Jamaat Islami senators are not even worth listening to. I would not take anything they say seriously.

akram Nov 18, 2016 10:27pm

@Mare India is already importing Afghan goods through Pakistan.

Sukhera Nov 18, 2016 10:47pm

Look like the Senators just woke up up from deep sleep. where were the senators when CPEC was being negotiated? Its too little too late. It appears to me that China is getting all the benefits including the exorbitant interest rate on the loans and Pakistan is standing on the side line. We lack smart leaders who negotiate with strength and the top priority should be protecting the interests of the country

adil Nov 18, 2016 11:39pm

Absolutely right. Only our government understand before it is too late.

changamanga Nov 18, 2016 11:57pm

What is the benefit of CPEC to Pakistan, Please do tell me ? I dont know nothing ! Other than a 100 Pathan Truck Drivers and their Chotuu/Cleanders, I dont see much out of CPEC. All benefits to China of course, but mere gas for Pakistan !!

Lahori Kid Nov 19, 2016 12:10am

Why are we always talking about imports? If we have abundant supplies in Pakistan before selling them, the prices would come down too, I bet you anything that the products would sell for a lot more in Pakistan than selling them to other countries, just remember, those products would have to be sold on a whole sale price, we can sell those for a lot cheaper price and still make money, its not rocket science, its simple economics. And yes, we can certainly consume that much, we are talking about almost 190 million people.

Lahori Kid Nov 19, 2016 12:14am

As for what China's intentions are, I commented quiet a few times about that, putting it simply, China will look at their own benefit before they decide to worry about Pakistan, there is no free lunch like they say, China is investing 46 Billion US dollars in Pakistan, if you think they are doing it because of the goodness of their heart, and only to benefit Pakistan alone, you are kidding yourself.

Umar Nov 19, 2016 12:51am

@kamal Pasha ha ha it's 100B plus trade between China and India already.

Umar Nov 19, 2016 12:56am

@Hassan forget BRICS and try to focus on development in Pak and look at the global indicators country wise and find out where Pakistan stands?

Umar Nov 19, 2016 01:01am

@Umar Farooq for chinese

Tariq Khan Nov 19, 2016 03:03am

When u are not competent enough you can only fear

flipflop Nov 19, 2016 04:09am

First of all after all the drama by India I doubt they would think about importing or exporting through CPEC. Second, CPEC is not supposed to be bound in only Pakistan. It can expand and all imports and exports through Pakistan will bring revenues to the country which is a plus. Most of these senators are incompetent and have no clue what they are doing otherwise Pakistan would have been in a better position if they were competent to begin with. Third, we must learn to see past the hatred and look at a bigger picture rather than blaming everything on India, Jews, and the West. If you all think that China is a friend then you are living in a fools paradise. Right now China alone can force Pakistan to file for bankruptcy if CPEC fails largely due to our politicians greed and lust for money and wealth.

flipflop Nov 19, 2016 04:12am

@Human Well because its easier to move funds around by trading goods and services. The way I see it, Pakistan economy is a bucket with no bottom base. We keep pouring in the funds and it flows out of the economy leaving nothing but small drops for us to consume. Basically, people running the show are incompetent and have no clue how to run a country

Lahori Kid Nov 19, 2016 07:43am

@Umar, Don't laugh, even with a 100 Billion trade, with the largest democracy, with so many millionaires, with all the BIG talk about India, India still has the highest poverty in the world, what good are the Indians doing with that money or success?

POwer Nov 19, 2016 02:32pm

Statis quo The more corrupt the more in power. Loot and fly.

afzal sahib Nov 19, 2016 02:34pm

India is a big country and Pakistan should let china to use cepec for this purpose. a dependent india for pakistan is more easier to tame.

LOHPURUSH Nov 19, 2016 04:17pm

What's the harm ? When Atal ji and Mian Nawaz had the famous Bus ride in 2002 , many North Indian automobiles were excited to trade with Pakistan. Hero Honda is world's largest bike manufacturer selling 6 Lac bikes a month. JV break up with Honda has only strengthened this firm. Even a toll collection will boost revenues , rather Pakistan should encourage it.

Govind Nov 19, 2016 04:16pm

Once the goods enter Pakistan , only to go out , what difference does it make , if they go to India, or to Europe or to Gulf a. India also has road links with China but they are not good roads where massive transport can occur , so CPEC will be used by Indian states of Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat which border Pakistan will use it. Frankly what’s wrong in that.? , as long as Pakistan gets its share In today world in case you mix trade and politics , you end up being the loser. Remember despite all the tension , India has not withdrawal the ‘ Most Favoured Status’ to Pakistan

Sana Nov 19, 2016 04:26pm

@Govind the concern is about the two way traffic.. not one way

Tariq Khan Nov 19, 2016 08:12pm

Pak can earn on the road fees.

Adnan Nov 19, 2016 08:23pm

It would make sense to do planning session and report on the benefits and harms of this deal. Ultimately china is a good friend and there is way to negotiate to come to a common understanding and benefit.

sam Nov 19, 2016 08:59pm

@Zak so why not allow India to trade with Afghanistan for the same reason?

Ambreen Ali Nawaz Nov 19, 2016 10:49pm

So? Let China trade with whoever they want. It will allow peaceful relationships between the two countries...we need that badly . If they really wanted to, they would have done CPEC with India (it wouldn't be called CPEC...)

ahmed Nov 20, 2016 05:39am

what is wrong with nations engaging in more trade? What a narrow-minded attitude these senators have!

Arshad,cANADA Nov 20, 2016 01:32pm

@Satish , No China knows if Pakistan is not a bigger gainer, the project will not fly. The people of this country will turn against it. And China can not ignore this fact. So India should not expect such events.

asian Nov 20, 2016 01:54pm

china is business and usa is war. Let asia may have no mutual issues as europe, to develope more than europe

Maulik Nov 20, 2016 10:10pm

Pakistan Railways should work with Indian Railways to upgrade its railway system!