Dossiers on Indian terrorism have irrefutable evidence, asserts FO
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ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Office on Friday said that the dossiers given to United States (US) and United Nations (UN) Secretary General regarding India’s alleged involvement in terrorism were prepared with utmost diligence and care.
Foreign Office Spokesman Qazi Khalilullah issued a statement mentioning that a section of media, while reporting about the meeting of Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs on Thursday, had reported that dossiers on India had no material evidence of Indian involvement in subversive activities in Pakistan.
Khalilullah termed the information in that news item as incorrect and clarified that the dossiers contain ‘hard’ and ‘irrefutable’ evidence regarding Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing's (RAW) involvement in terrorism inside Pakistan.
“The dossiers were prepared with with utmost diligence and care,” asserted the foreign office spokesman.
Related: Dossiers on India have no ‘material evidence’
According to a Dawn newspaper report, Adviser to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz told the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs on Thursday that dossiers given to the US and UN Secretary General on India’s alleged involvement in terrorism in Pakistan did not contain ‘material evidence’.
The committee was reportedly told that the dossiers contained the “pattern and narrative” of Indian involvement and were meticulously prepared, but material evidence cannot be shared for the sake of protecting the sources.
Aziz had first talked about the three dossiers ahead of Pak-India National Security Advisers meeting, which was later cancelled. His statement led to a media hype that the government after decades of complaining about Indian role in terrorism in the country was finally readying to present credible evidence to the world.
Following the cancellation of the bilateral NSA talks, the dossiers were given to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon by Pakistan’s Permanent Representative in the UN, Dr Maleeha Lodhi.
The same were also shared by Aziz with US Secretary of State John Kerry during Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to Washington last month.
The dossiers, according to previous official statements, contained proofs about Indian involvement in Balochistan, Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) and Karachi.
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Nov 20, 2015 08:58pm
Publish that document so people all over the world can make their own judgement. The reality is that no one believes in what Pakistan says and that situation will continue and create a situation that will project Pakistan's assertion in the future to be untrustworthy. Therefore, publish that document.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:05pm
Such incompetence!! First they say we have evidence against India,then they say there is no hard evidence, but narrative. Now they say we have irrefutable evidence.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:07pm
Open it for media....
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Nov 20, 2015 09:09pm
Talk to each other before you put the story out. Very conflicting . Now what's response from UN and U.S.Please share and let the whole world know
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Nov 20, 2015 09:28pm
Just false claims no facts. Pathetic state of affairs.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:38pm
Then show it to the world or at the least to the people of Pakistan.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:44pm
Sartaj Aziz says material evidence not enough. Qazi Khalilullah says irrefutable evidence. Why don't you guys sit down at one place and decide what you want to announce.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:45pm
"Indian Terrorism" ???? Who will believe it ????
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Nov 20, 2015 09:47pm
Dossiers were also handed over on ISI and JuD involvement in 26/11.
It does not matter what is in the Dossier. What matters is who the dossier is given to, and is that person in a receptive frame of mind
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Nov 20, 2015 09:52pm
have no material evidence, have concrete proof.
what jokes are these politicians and elite bureaucrats playing with nation?
what is this non-seriousness
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Nov 20, 2015 09:53pm
But, your boss says it has no material evidence?
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Nov 20, 2015 09:54pm
Behind closed doors, the blame game for this debacle would have already started. These statements are just public manifestations of the blame game.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:02pm
@Arun exactly, this shows how biased the world is against Muslums.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:39pm
No 'irrefutable evidence' ... Just pattern and narrative ... And a whole lot of wishful thinking.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:50pm
These people think all Pakistani's are silly goats? Why can't they make the report public by showing it to the media? If they can show it to the UN & US, why not our own citizens?
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Nov 20, 2015 10:55pm
Why NSA talk in New Delhi about terrorism cancelled by Pakistan when both PM had agreed?
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Nov 20, 2015 10:55pm
@O Khan There u go again, Conspiracy Theories.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:58pm
@Akbar Good point. I guess the ruling class thinks Am Admi in Pakistan are illiterate. May be it is correct too.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:58pm
Every one know Indianis behind the terrorism in Pakistan.
Terrorists have been arrested who have been trained in India and Indians are using Afghanistan soil to sponsor terrorists in Western Pakistan. The government and the army have stated this for some time now. Even China has warned Pakistan against Indian terrorism against CPEC.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:58pm
@Arun everybody except Indians
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Nov 20, 2015 11:18pm
@Akbar - It is not for a public spectacle, it is serious matter!!!
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Nov 20, 2015 11:19pm
One statement issued by the political arm and the opposite statement issued by the military arm.
Difficult days for democracy in Pakistan on the horizon. Sincere wish that democracy would eventually prevail.
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Nov 20, 2015 11:36pm
Oh dear, oh dear. At least be credible in deciding what you have, what you have given and what it means? That would be a good starting point. Or may be this is what possibly Americans told during two recent visits.
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Nov 21, 2015 12:16am
@O Khan of course for good reasons.
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Nov 21, 2015 12:20am
@O Khan even after paris attacks :)
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Nov 21, 2015 12:26am
This is becoming too embarrassing
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Nov 21, 2015 12:31am
Self Goal
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Nov 21, 2015 12:41am
@O Khan That is the problem with us. Always the world is biased against us, Islam is in danger, rampant Islamophobia in the west etc. We never like to introspect. Just saying Islam is a religion of peace won't cut it anymore. Let us show it in deeds and the world will correct itself.
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Nov 21, 2015 12:44am
When there is a will there is away. Whether credible evidence or not ...if they (USA and UN) want to help us, they they will find a way.
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Nov 21, 2015 12:47am
And what happened to the dossiers India handed over on 26/11 perpetrators? Yeah, the same thing will happen with these dossiers as well.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:01am
The dossiers content is just conspiracy theories, nothing else!
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Nov 21, 2015 01:01am
@Khwarezmi oh really you have inside knowledge of Chinese govt.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:02am
If you have irrefutable evidence then post it to the Indian MFO.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:26am
One says "mo material evidence", the other says "Irrefutable evidence". Which one is it?
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Nov 21, 2015 01:27am
@Mian you mean every Pakistani?
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Nov 21, 2015 01:29am
@Khwarezmi "Everybody knows" ? Looks like that's the maximum evidence available right now.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:36am
please sit down with counterparts in India. Army and Intelligence of both nations should come together and play constructive role to share information rather than destroying each other. This is only making innocents lives at stake. If there is an issue it should be discussed between parties rather than going to US and UN
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Nov 21, 2015 02:06am
" You have to say hundreds lies to cover up a lie".
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Nov 21, 2015 02:11am
FO / NSA is such an integral and sensitive post where a country's fortune hinges around. our 86 years old NSA and FO are talking in different directions, whether or not the proof were provided to UN ?. both the departments are representing a nuclear power country, what we should make out of these statements within 20 hours from each other ?. first one brought shame for us and other is trying to mend it ?. who's right ?. in any other country both should have been sacked for making a sensitive issue like this with such lighter importance. as if a news channel was banned in a certain area or not ?.
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Nov 21, 2015 02:11am
and when they ask them to put the house in order. Govt cries and says our legs are being pulled.
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Nov 21, 2015 02:39am
It's simple and boils down to civil-military ties which always turns out to be a LOL.
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Nov 21, 2015 02:39am
The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing
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Nov 21, 2015 02:41am
You said that two years back.. We are yet to see that evidence..!
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Nov 21, 2015 02:56am
Indian at least have some faith in Pakistani awam so please show whatever evidence with you to Pakistani people and let them decide whether it is irrefutable or not.
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Nov 21, 2015 03:19am
A better place to present these 'dossiers' would be to Mr. Baghdadi of so-called 'IS Caliphate' -- with all due respect to the UN or US or whichever x-Y-z 'power' that is left in this world (theoretically speaking!) ... at least he will be in a position to actually DO something about it.. right...?
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Nov 21, 2015 03:22am
@O Khan Oh No! Not again. We are sick and tired of this statement.
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Nov 21, 2015 03:23am
@Arun, almost all in Pakistan and most of the sensible people of the world, with the exception of few blinds who want to look other way.
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Nov 21, 2015 03:26am
@Khwarezmi why don't you show the evidence, when you have presented to UN and USA.
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Nov 21, 2015 03:30am
Tell us the truth. Changing the narrative by different officials will not help. Are we the public are retards or what.
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Nov 21, 2015 03:44am
As President Bush once marveled about India, "Over 200 millions Muslims, and no terrorism".
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Nov 21, 2015 03:51am
Contradictory statements are issued by regarding the dossiers. The government functionaries say that the dossiers were only narrative and it did not contain any material evidence. Now the spokesman termed it incorrect and baseless. There are a complete contradiction and confusion in the statements of Foreign Secretary and the Advisor on foreign Affairs before the senate committee on foreign affairs and the instant statement of spokesman. whom to believe on?
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Nov 21, 2015 05:06am
@KHWAREZMI prove it.
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Nov 21, 2015 05:09am
@Khwarezmi
I pity your ignorance.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:18am
@O Khan stop playing victims and do something about it. Spread awareness about the importance of education and considering modern ideas will be a good start.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:48am
Come on. It is almost end of November. Such allegations are cooked before the session of UN general Assembly. Now let us look after our own business till next September
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Nov 21, 2015 07:07am
If it is prepared with utmost dilligece and care, it has to be credible evidence. After all truth is all about utmost dilligance and care. No prof is required to be put in the dossier if prepared with utmost delligence and care.
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Nov 21, 2015 07:14am
There is no need to provide any proof for something that is so obvious.
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Nov 21, 2015 07:31am
Please talk to each other and tell the truth.
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Nov 21, 2015 07:36am
Why not give it to media so People of Pakistan and India can make judgement.
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Nov 21, 2015 12:46pm
@Mian Good joke!
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Nov 21, 2015 12:55pm
@Khwarezmi Same question: proof?
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Nov 21, 2015 01:57pm
@O Khan Who is responsible for this situation
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Nov 21, 2015 04:52pm
Again we lose credibility in the eyes of the world. No one is ready to believe anything Pakistan says nowadays.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:59pm
@Adnan
you said that the people do not believe in us any more. incorrect my dear friend . those who want to beleive will do so. and who do not want will never do so.
indians must understand that they are not dealing with sikkim or bhuttan. modi fellow is trying to inject poison in the hindu minds and will go through the same moments of anxiety that we are facing from the mob called ttp. and they must also understand that their israel hug will not pay them because in israel's planning - in time to come - there has to be only one power in the region. and this will be israel - not india - no where. that though will be short of the chinese sphere of influence.
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Nov 21, 2015 07:05pm
Why one guy from FO says there is no evidence and other says there is evidence. Why cant both keep quite ?
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Nov 21, 2015 08:45pm
@Khwarezmi .. China - India have established mechanism to co-operate against terrorism.
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Nov 21, 2015 10:12pm
@Ahmer
There there was no need to provide "dossiers" to UN and US, according to you!
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Nov 22, 2015 04:18am
@Mian ji please get out of your cocoon and do some research.
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Nov 22, 2015 08:10am
Pakistan Zindabad.
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Nov 22, 2015 10:35am
Ajit Doval and the Defence Minister’s utterances cannot termed ‘irrefutable evidence’! Pakistan has a very vulnerable underbelly that can be exploited by anyone who intends to create trouble. Further, Pakistan is not in a position to bankroll terrorists as US used to do to achieve its goals - US, the creator of mess in South Asia has come out smelling roses, whereas, Pakistan the then closest buddy is in a maze of confusion trying to master the art of controlling its neighborhood!!!
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Nov 22, 2015 11:18am
Please release this report with proof to the whole world.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:15pm
@Robert
It would be silly to publish those documents and reveal names and sources and other classified info to the world. In any way it would make no difference no matter how credible the evidence is. In the current geo political scenario neither America nor the UN are likely to take any action against India who has already been kicked out of Afghanistan and not quite in a position to stir up Baluchistan as before.
And remember what the world believes is not always the whole truth. The world believed when Bush and Tony Blair had us all believe that Iraq had WMD. Iraq was invaded and destroyed making way for groups like ISIS. We live in a mad mad world.
India has done some good job in defaming Pakistan but do we care. All this one day will fly back into Indian Az.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:15pm
@a m malik Friends, Romans, Countrymen & women, Mr. A M Malik is our new FO spokesperson, cos he knows how to put spin to a simple thing.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:29pm
@Arun
The venue was Sharmul sheikh. On the sidelines were meeting PM Jellani of Pakistan and his Indian counterpart ManMohan Singh. Evidence of India mediated terrorism in Baluchistan was shown to the latter who accepted to take action. On returning home the Indian PM was scolded by the agitated opposition which forcesd him to deny what he had said at Sharmul Sheikh.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:37pm
@Prapur
Any one even with an iota of political intelligence will have no difficulty in comprehending the breakdown of talks. India was playing tricks and wanted the focus on terrorism while giving the world an impression that Kashmir was no longer a significant issue. India caught red handed!
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Nov 22, 2015 03:51pm
@SAINAS
Hooray! Most sensible comment, in fact the best on this page.
Have a good day.
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Nov 22, 2015 06:31pm
@Khwarezmi you are absolutely right, look at nepal blockade, thats
the evidence, pakistan has the evidence, will be published at the
proper time, they will still deny
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Nov 22, 2015 06:47pm
@Khwarezmi Yes, for you it's enough to say "everyone knows" but the rest of the world wants evidence. It's not enough if you find it obvious.
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Nov 22, 2015 09:04pm
@Bobb Mack
If India was playing tricks, why did your PM agree to it.
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