India converting LoC into quasi border, UN told
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UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan has complained to the UN Security Council that India is building a wall along the Line of Control and plans to convert the LoC “into a quasi international border”.
India has dismissed the charge as incorrect and pledged to respond at an “appropriate time”.
Pakistan’s permanent representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi, sent two letters to the UNSC on Sept 4 and 9, sharing Islamabad’s concern over the construction of this wall.
In the Sept 9 letter to president of the Security Council, Russian ambassador Vitaly Churkin, Ambassador Lodhi expressed “deep concern” at the development and said that India planned to construct a 10-metre-high and 135-feet-wide embankment (wall) along the 197km LoC.
Indian officials described the LoC as “the boundary between Pakistan and Jammu and Kashmir”, increasing Islamabad’s fear that New Delhi was quietly trying to change the status of the disputed line.
India also claimed that one of Pakistan’s letters to the UNSC was based on a `submission’ made by Hizb-ul-Mujahideen chief Syed Salahuddin.
Pakistan rejected the Indian claim, saying that the letters it had sent to the UNSC were based on the information it collected from its own sources.
Pakistan “considers the embankment a permanent structure that will bring about a material change in the territory in violation inter alia of ... Security Council resolution ... of 1948”, Ambassador Lodhi wrote.
“The state of Jammu & Kashmir is an internationally recognised disputed territory with a number of United Nations Security Council resolutions on the official status of Jammu & Kashmir awaiting implementation,” she said.
Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry told a Saturday evening news briefing that Pakistan would not tolerate the wall that India was building on the working boundary.
He said the construction would be a serious violation of UN resolutions that “very clearly state that no entity will build any structure or wall at the LoC or the working boundary”.
“We will raise the issue of the latest Indian aggression at every international forum,” he said.—M. H. and A. I.
Published in Dawn, September 28th, 2015
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Sep 28, 2015 07:39am
Why is this a bad thing? Convert it into a border and get it over with. You keep what's yours and let us keep what's ours (possession being 9/10ths of the law!)
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Sep 28, 2015 07:43am
haha... Plane can't fly over the wall?
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Sep 28, 2015 07:53am
It's better let's build a wall close all the borders with pak lets focus on our economy for some time.
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Sep 28, 2015 07:58am
well done....to stop terrorists we need wall ...excellent work india
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Sep 28, 2015 08:08am
An ordinary tea seller who hardly speaks English is making strides in his country, making it the fastest growing major economy while western educated, well spoken diplomats fail to tap their nations potential and would rather exist as if it's still the 1950s. Unbelievable.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:08am
The wall should be built ASAP to stop infiltration from across the LoC.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:13am
So what would be the "right" time ? When the wall is 100% complete ?
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Sep 28, 2015 08:16am
According to Wikipedia, the UN resolution on kashmir is no longer exists and it was closed by UN in 2010.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:23am
Not only quaci we r wilking to consider it as permanent boarder
Nd if pakistani want peace,, u will hv to considered it
This is the only solution,
Neither pak nor,, india is goint to leavr their capturing area,,,,
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Sep 28, 2015 08:27am
@Reza Daman .. It would be like taking half of your house by force and latter I would say, you keep half and I will keep half.
Instead of using Indian army against helpless Kashmiri, let Kshmiri decide their on faith. If they want their on country so be it.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:27am
one can give land to another country like china but will complain about wall construction
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Sep 28, 2015 08:29am
@Reza Daman
Now that's a smart and pragmatic thought. Good.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:34am
India is religiously following Israel.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:37am
I do not see it as something wrong. It is a known fact that terrorists enter from the other side of the border. What's wrong if one country wants to protect itself. It is very logical.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:43am
Indians need to understand that the Partition of religious majority states based on Hindu-Muslim religion is final and one of the major major events in South Asia to which there is no turning back from. India can not keep a Muslim majority state in 1947 and think it will not lead to conflict. Pakistanis are directly related to the Kashmiri by blood, faith, culture and language.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:44am
Building a wall will be great for Pakistan. Indian terrorists and other (RAW) wing infiltrators would not be able to come to the Pakistani soil. And cause proxy war and terror activities on our side. We should not only welcome such a move by India but in fact chip in to erect the wall expeditiously.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:45am
@Reza Daman That will be ultimate solution that will come out without a war and destruction of whole Pakistan and 30 40% of india
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Sep 28, 2015 08:46am
If wall can be built, so can be broken later. For the moment, an embankment (wall) will stop the LoC firing and contribute to peace.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:47am
In this century, geographical boundaries are becoming irrelevant. It's a complete waste of time. Pakistan has be become a model state and people would join instead of fleeing for better life else where. Same goes for India too..
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Sep 28, 2015 08:48am
Infact turning LOC into International boundary is a practical and prudent decision. This only can be a realistic solution.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:48am
If it's built it may bear some of the shelling and unfortunate people living at the borders will be protected. ..but don't know why India is not building it.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:55am
India planned to construct a 10-metre-high and 135-feet-wide embankment (wall) along the 197km LoC.
So it is not yet started, hope India starts it soon ,although infiltration will not stop, it may reduce somewhat, Pakistan should also construct wall, double wall is better , if it complains about cross firing , wall will save lives, construct one of afghanistan border too.
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Sep 28, 2015 08:57am
What happen to Berlin Wall .That wall together with East Germany came to Federal Germany,and now it's one Germany. So let them built the precious wall,they will gave the wall as well as the disputed Kashmir, to the Kashmiris.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:02am
India already considers the loc as the permanent border and putting up a friendship wall and barrier will prevent any further conflict between the two neighbours.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:13am
What is wrong in constructing a permanent wall across the boundary, there are so mny advantages like-
1, No terrorist infiltration from any side of the border, -
2, No cross firing from both sides,-
3, No illegal activities like drug trafficking and arms and ammunition will be there,-
4,people on the bothe both side border can live peacefully,-
5, Permanent solution for boundary issue.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:14am
@Neutral , I am sorry for those who get their knowledge from Wikipedia and depend on it without further investigation. You need to upgrade your knowledge on 2 points. One that how Wikipedia works and secondly that what procedures are needed by UNO to terminate a resolution
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Sep 28, 2015 09:14am
@Reza Daman this not what u believe, this is the decision that people of Kashmir has to make. How will u react if ur neighbor starts making wall right through ur house keep half of ur family on other side of the wall.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:19am
@Neutral
Wikepedia is not an authentic document.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:22am
If this wall stops firing along the border and saves lives and also stops infiltration then I welcome it, we need to save lives on both sides of border and prevent situation going out of control and heading nuclear way due to increased cross border infiltration which causes firing leading to tensions.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:22am
@Reza Daman better still, india should accept UN kashmir plebiscite and let all 3 be satisfied and get it over it.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:30am
@Reza Daman So The law of the jungle is what you're advocating ?
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Sep 28, 2015 09:31am
The LOC has to be international border one day. So if India is building a wall than Pakistan does'nt have to construct it. It is simple as that and saving billion rupees. In fact they should encourage India to make the wall covering all area around LOC.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:36am
If there had been no Berlin Wall there would have been no (even) symbolically united Germany as we now have! The order giver/order taker divide all over the world will be a lot more subtle to tackle.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:39am
What is wrong in constructing a permanent wall all along the boundary line, A letter to UN from pakistan side show pakistan is not interested in permanent solution for kashmir issue, There are so many advantages by constructing a permanent boundary wall,
-*All illegal activities will be stopped from both side, -* Cross firing from both side army will be stopped,-*Pull stop for infiltration from any side, -*normal people living on the border can live peaceful life,-Blame game from both side government will be completely stopped.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:45am
Everyone has a right to dream.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:45am
I wonder once the border issue is settled ,people will start talking about development and jobs .So for some sections unresolved kashmir is a plus point.
Nobody cares about human rights.It is just geopolitical strategy to use Kashmir.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:46am
Pakistan should start building wall on durand line and stop terrorists entering to your soil from Afghanistan.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:47am
India said It will reply at appropriate time.Indian diplomats are way ahead in the game i think.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:51am
@prasant no, we won't do that, because with CPEC and peace reconciliation , we will have close interaction with Afghanistan , the gateway to Central Asia and beyond. Kashmir is under UN plebiscite.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:59am
So, by denying the build of the wall, the world will know that who is making problem at border. The world will understand that Pakistan don't want solve the border issue. The solution is simple for border issue. You just keep yours and India will keep their. Building the wall no exchange of fire or terrorist infiltration or smuggling. Don't you want solve the problem in the border?
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Sep 28, 2015 10:02am
When the whole world is thinking and progressing towards better living conditions for its people , here is a country which is thinking about some imaginary wall.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:02am
This is an incomplete news. Modi met Xi Jinping on the sidelines of UN summit and signed a $5billion contract with Chinese company to build the wall. Many countries were interested, but China was favored, keeping in mind their expertise in building long walls- PM Modi tweeted late last night. However considering sensitivity of the matter, no further information was available.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:06am
India's first dedicated satellite for astronomical research, Astrosat, has been launched from Sriharikota, On the other side pakistan is still trying to reach Kashmir as such it is going to launch satellite from there.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:09am
India stepping in to its first dedicated satellite for astronomical research, Astrosat, has been launched from Sriharikota, On the other side pakistan is still trying to step in to Kashmir as such it is going to launch satellite from there.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:21am
In 2001 the then UN secretary general Kofi Anan openly said that Kashmir resolution were no longer relevant. Looks like Pakistan did not get that memo?
Beside a charter VI resolution like Kashmir is a non binding type resolution to begin with and it can not be enforced. Any resolution to be binding and enforceable is passed user charter VII of UN.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:28am
@wondipuli well said..
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Sep 28, 2015 10:35am
Both countries should build tall and wide concrete walls on both sides.... followed by ditches. There should be a buffer of 5 Kilometers in between so that we dont get to see firing incidents and issues. They live happily on their side we live happily here. Lets focus on real stuff.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:48am
That's not true. For us that's only good joke
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Sep 28, 2015 10:53am
Please provide the coordinate of the location where wall is built. Sorry Lodhi Mam you are a senior diplomat, u should be careful of what u say
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Sep 28, 2015 10:55am
@Reza Daman ,, Kashmir is neither India nor Pakistan part. How you can say keep it each country.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:05am
10m high x 135 ft wide x 197 km. Really? Please give these dimensions to a civil engineer and ask for a cost estimate. You'll realize this allegation is false.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:09am
@wondipuli except the stake holders, the Nationals of Kashmir, in Azad Kashmir will have freedom and will live among their own brethern, while the other side in Indian occupied, the Nationals will be confined to perpetual brutal illegal occupation by invaders. Not acceptable.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:10am
@Sharath Chandra So India is not building any wall ?
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Sep 28, 2015 11:22am
@Human By investing money on our security fdi is flooding into india and we are able to grow our gdp & organise the sporting events in our own country.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:23am
leave 80% but 20 % earn so much that we can build wall and launch satellites. India have great purchase power, world is looking at us.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:25am
Friend . Let me explain you one thing very CLEARLY. I have done enough research now and I am sure that you will also find proof of these on internet. UN " CAN NOT" impose plebiscite for Kashmir because UN resolution on Kashmir is under Article 6 of UN laws and Article 6 is only request NOT enforcement. Article 7 is mandatory and imposed by UN but Article 6 is just a request.
So in simple words India has that plebiscite under Article 6 and also signed Simla Agreement , so now you all know this is not going to happen by UN. SO get prepared for economic ties and talks and keep Kashmir for talks of future as this is not going to happen in newer future.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:38am
@Human best reply
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Sep 28, 2015 11:50am
Wall in one way is good - as no infiltration. Therefore the blame game stops.
So do not make this a issue and instead focus on solutions to end this dispute.
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Sep 28, 2015 11:56am
@ Human
super Nice reply Bro.............
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Sep 28, 2015 11:57am
@mehar ali LOL
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Sep 28, 2015 12:05pm
India has successfully created walls on the water and now will be successful in creating wall on the border.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:09pm
@Prakash Considering the history Chinese wall could not stop the infiltrators.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:10pm
good decision by indian govt. just make wall on border so there will be peace both side.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:13pm
very entertaining comments from both sides. keep it up friends.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:17pm
Hasn't the LoC been the de-facto border since '48. Can't we just finalize this line and then work toward a peaceful process. Neither country is ready to cede an inch to the other.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:25pm
@Gurpreet Singh Sabharwal (USA) the wall will not prevent the world to know about the human rights violations against kashmiris.
kashmiris under the yoke of kashmiri will find a way to talk about human rights violations regardless.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:42pm
Good,Great wall of India should be one of the wonders of the world, it should beat Great wall of China. :)
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Sep 28, 2015 12:45pm
Let the peace come through process of constructing and building a permanent wall across the boundary, I think Building the wall on Line of control is an Indian government first step towards friendly diplomacy strategically for establishing peace in both regions. But we should not close the doors of understanding and negotiations diplomatically with through process of dialogue for developing peace in this region . if India intentions are pure for building peace process in this region by constructing a wall that should be appreciated very much and should be welcomed by an opened arms warmly .
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Sep 28, 2015 12:45pm
Everybody should realize that this is not 1947 hence conditions are change.
No state of 1947 conduct plebiscite to decide their country.
Kashmiris should understand that there is no option for separate country. they opt for India or Pakistan.
If this is final solution then both country beecome fearless and move ahead in passitive competition for developement.
REST IS HISTORY.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:46pm
@Kashmir If that is so, why object to wall construction.
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Sep 28, 2015 12:55pm
I believe the current LOC cannot be changes even after 1000 years from now.
Just accept the reality and move forward.
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Sep 28, 2015 01:11pm
@faisal Very well said Faisal. Wish there were more people like you. There would be peace in the region and people could move on with trying to improve their lives. The region is currently one of the most backward in the world and the boundary issue is taking the focus away from education, health, growth and prosperity for the people in this region.
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Sep 28, 2015 01:13pm
@Reza Daman Quite agreeable to solve problem & then both countries can live peacefully
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Sep 28, 2015 01:17pm
@Neutral "According to Wikipedia, the UN resolution on kashmir is no longer exists and it was closed by UN in 2010." Pardon me? According to Wikipedia?!!!! HA HA HA......
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Sep 28, 2015 01:19pm
@Prakash Good joke.
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Sep 28, 2015 01:24pm
I think Pakistan has given this excellent idea to India. Now India would definitely build a wall.
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Sep 28, 2015 01:26pm
@Neutral Oh God, you people really take Wikipedia seriously !
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Sep 28, 2015 01:30pm
Un observer on the LOC indicates it is a disputed territory there is aloso a UN resolution.
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Sep 28, 2015 01:38pm
Pakistan will accept the Line of Control (LoC) as an international border, and will lodge it protests to UN and international community. But, if India continued with its illegitimate act of constructing wall along-with the LoC, Pakistan will have be forced to destroy it with artillery fire. Better that India desists from such provocative action.
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Sep 28, 2015 02:02pm
I think we should also build a wall there. Then we can save lives of soldiers of both sides who die uneccessarily. Soldiers on both sides are poor people forced into dangerous job by poverty. Wall is a good idea if it helps them to not die.
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Sep 28, 2015 02:33pm
"India converting LoC into quasi border, UN told"
No body listens to this non-sense. The world has more pressing problems.
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Sep 28, 2015 02:38pm
May god let some sense prevail, for majority of the Indian population Kashmir is a non issue but I guess it's not the same on the other side of the border, I mean there are so many other things worth worrying about than Kashmir, let's focus on making lives better for both the countrymen rather than haggling about Kashmir. Manytimes I wonder the presidents from US/China would smile after meeting India/Pak envoys and think, let them fight among themselves and spend half their earnings in arms rather then spending to feed the poor, and I'm sure we both have enough of them
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Sep 28, 2015 02:53pm
@Avijit
If Kashmir is non issue let them decide about their destiny by following un resolution of referendum. Why is India not allowing to do so?
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Sep 28, 2015 03:19pm
Bad decision by Indian Govt... Cross border terrorism is on decline ... . it should controlled rather than making huge walls... It'll for sure damage the natural surroundings - a blot on landscape of J&K...
Moreover, Berlin wall had to be broken eventually
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Sep 28, 2015 03:23pm
Israel builds settlements and high walls on Palestinian lands. India has 700,000 troops and is now building a wall in Kashmir. There is no difference between Israel and India.
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Sep 28, 2015 03:36pm
India's ultimate aim now is to be a developed nation where each and every citizen will live a happy and prosperous life,but on the other hand what is Pakistan's aim?To get Kashmir.If they get Kashmir,will all Pakistanis become happy and prosperous.
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Sep 28, 2015 03:39pm
@Zak you keep on shouting Plebcite Plebicite for Kashmir, and UN resolution, have you ever read the resolution? aNd what according to you is that resolution, than we can discuss facts vs fiction.
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Sep 28, 2015 03:51pm
Who cares what you think and say.
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Sep 28, 2015 04:10pm
@Khurram Did you read UN resolution? First you read that ask your army to vacate from Kashmir then India will reciprocate.
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Sep 28, 2015 04:28pm
@Bitter truth So you have to understand the level of your diplomats with our tea seller.
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Sep 28, 2015 04:39pm
Try all they want. As soon as this war on terrorists is over, we shall see how long that wall stands.
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Sep 28, 2015 05:02pm
@JUSTICE agreed a lot of kashmiris have grievances but this isnt the perfect world. its not like hindus would die in pakistan and muslims wont survive india. Its 2015, lets live like mature people where in we work with each other irrespective of where we come from, not against each other. lets make our places better for all people. period..
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Sep 28, 2015 05:19pm
Instead of talking to Pakistan, Indian leadership is taking measures unilaterally, which is against her position to resolve the issues bilaterally and peacefully.
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Sep 28, 2015 05:23pm
India dismissed the charge and pledged to respond at an appropriate time?? Why not now??? Your guilty that's why u need time to cook a story to tell the world later.
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Sep 28, 2015 05:31pm
Wall is a non starter, it can be blown each time it it is erected anywhere. Before anyone, Kashmiri people will dynamite it.
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Sep 28, 2015 05:32pm
@pandit India does not need a wall, but kashmir needs its UN plebiscite. That's all.
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Sep 28, 2015 06:21pm
@mehar ali : India is actually religiously following China in wall-building
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Sep 28, 2015 08:54pm
@sana-1 I would like to appreciate yours intelligent comments well articulated with strong perceptions.. I am agreed with you . These are the ground realities which we have been facing it now days in fact . we will have to make it realize AND Think about it in an appropriate manners . This is an ideal time to Think from both sides sincerely and honestly in the great interest of Both countries..
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Sep 28, 2015 09:10pm
@Muhammad Ayub khan interest of both countries and kashmiris is plebiscite.
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Sep 28, 2015 09:34pm
No wall can divide Kashmir. I guess Indians forget Wall of Berlin. Let the Indians try that too. I wish they understand that this is not Israel and Palestine border and they will not going to get the mere stones from the other side.
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Sep 28, 2015 10:32pm
There is no need to complain. On next loc violation simply direct the artilarry fire at the wall.
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Sep 29, 2015 05:21am
@Ziyan ....And you forgot the great wall of china which successfully stopped the Mongols attacking China. And is still standing.
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Sep 29, 2015 08:57am
A day will come when Pakistan would be forced to build wall to its Afghan border. Take note of this.
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Sep 29, 2015 09:01am
@Zak keep dreaming
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Sep 29, 2015 09:52am
@Bitter truth ....That's because of the mindset....
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Sep 29, 2015 09:54am
@Optimistic ....WOW...what an optimist....Dream on !!!!
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Sep 29, 2015 11:37am
@Neutral hahahaha ... "according to Wikipedia" !!!
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Sep 29, 2015 02:08pm
@Reza Indian
well, in that case, since LOC is not Indian territory, they could build a concrete wall 10 km behind and no one will say a word...
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Sep 29, 2015 03:56pm
What UN Observers are doing if issue is closed by UN. Wikipedia has no authority to declare it.
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Sep 29, 2015 06:06pm
Both countries should build walls, this way many problems will be solved. We cannot talk, we cannot agree, we cannot set an agenda, then what can we do???.
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Sep 29, 2015 06:34pm
ignorant commentators here don't understand the wall will also stop family members from seeing each other. Imagine all of sudden a war breaks in India and half of Delhi is captured by one party and other half by another and they build a wall in the middle. Kashmiris live across both sides of the line with families spread across all over the Kashmir.
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Sep 29, 2015 07:26pm
What can you do about it Pak?
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Sep 29, 2015 10:43pm
Building wall is an indian strategy to materialize the cold start, they know that Pak wont allow this in any case, while doing this they will also be awaiting a skirmish of troops at LOc which will provide a high ground for them to launch a low intensity but damaging offensive on the southern boundaries without triggering a nuclear war
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Sep 30, 2015 01:34am
To All Pakistani Brothers ...Let it Go....Be at Peace .India - Bangladesh recently did a Land swap, we lost a lot more land than we gained....nobody gave a hoot about it.
India -Pak situation is totally different and Both Countries are at fault in escalating this and making it a very sensitive issue thus far. Therefore neither India Nor Pakistan would let an inch of Kashmir go.
Would you rather go nuclear and destruct each other for a piece of Land, which we both may not live to see aftermath or content with what you have and take your country to new heights?
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Sep 30, 2015 02:11am
@Union Jack "And you forgot the great wall of china which successfully stopped the Mongols attacking China. And is still standing."
There is a difference. Chinese wall was build by Chinese who built it to protect their homeland. The LOC wall is being build to divide Kashmiri nation and to solidify Indian grip on the colony. This will never work
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Sep 30, 2015 03:19am
@Inditramp ...The moment you live your dreams, not because of what it will prove or get you, but because that is all you want to do. People’s opinions don’t matter.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:07am
The wall will bring lots of visitors all over the world, it snatch tourists from great wall of China also. Pakistan side of the wall will be painted in Green, Indian side will be painted Saffron. Tea stalls and toilets on both sides, excellent plan for great asian circus.
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Sep 30, 2015 07:51am
@lafanga - and let there be no difference between the two.. india is israel and israel is india..
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Sep 30, 2015 09:13am
If making a wall can save many soldiers life of both countries, why pakistan objecting it.. in history we saw breaking of berlin wall, why not in J&K if any conclusion made further between both nations... it is peacemaking attamp from Indian Govt.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:33pm
@aga khan We endorse our view.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:51pm
World is not a fool.Will the world not understand that this chest thumping by Pakistan is to ensure infiltration at all costs?It only goes to prove that Pak is worried that once the wall is built, infiltration will stop, and hence it can not be a nuisance to India.
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