31 August, 2014 / Ziqa'ad 4, 1435
—File Photo.
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GILGIT: A family video showing two teenage girls enjoying rain in their house led to their murder in Chilas on Sunday night. Their mother was also gunned down allegedly by her stepson and his four friends.

Five masked men barged into the house of retired police officer Rehmat Nabi and started firing, killing his wife and daughters, aged 15 and 16.

According to police, the crime was motivated by a video clip circulated on mobile phones and showing the girls overjoyed by rain in the lawn of their bungalow.

The video, recorded six months ago, was circulated in the area four months later probably after a relative sent it to his friends.

Police believed that the girls’ stepbrother Khutore took it as an “assault on the honour of his family” and tried to “restore the family’s honour” by killing the girls.

Khutore escaped when police tried to get in touch with him for investigation. But, his four friends were arrested and, according to a senior police official, they have confessed to the crime. A case has been registered against the five.


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Shakeel
Jun 25, 2013 10:05am

I just feel numb. What has become of our country when being overjoyed by rain is a cause for murder.

Danish A.
Jun 25, 2013 10:16am

This story sums up everything that's wrong with Pakistan. Will the general public and lawyers (the presumed defenders of justice) throw flowers at this killer of an innocent human being too just because he was offended by their apparent dishonorable acts? (Please publish).

Mohan
Jun 25, 2013 10:31am

This is unfair. Atlast they are dancing inside home. Why get offended for this?

akhan
Jun 25, 2013 10:49am

these people are mentally sick , and should be hanged in open

SM
Jun 25, 2013 11:09am

The men of our society are undergoing a mental breakdown. First these men abuse women (making videos in private property comes under that), then they spread nonsense about women (hey look, I captured two girls in rain) and then the 'men with honor' of the family kill them for bringing shame (how dare you get out in rain and allowed hidden strangers to make video of you from miles away).

vicky
Jun 25, 2013 11:08am

Pity on the sorry state of Pakistan.......

NK Ali
Jun 25, 2013 11:10am

Family honor, what family honor. Six months back they enjoyed the rain in the lawn within the confines of their house. A video was circulated by whom and for what intents and purposes is the lynchpin of the crime. Not the innocence of the women. The escapee is the real crook with the video makers and circulators. Hang them. Salams

Gohar
Jun 25, 2013 11:20am

How honourable... you killed two little girls for enjoying nature. Oh and then you run away because you are honourable. Such a horrible thing to have killed to innocent lives because some desperate morons were googling over their video.....

Dixit
Jun 25, 2013 11:27am

The person who initially circulated the video, should also be held guilty because it was his mean act that lead to the murder.

Guest01
Jun 25, 2013 11:26am

And the honorable brother is now running from the police like a rabbit. Some honor this.

abc
Jun 25, 2013 11:29am

When the allmight has prohibited us from making images of humans and animals, then we all should obey his command. however, this incedent is very unfortunate.

nitish
Jun 25, 2013 12:07pm

@Dixit:r you living in India???Cant believe...

Jassi
Jun 25, 2013 12:14pm

Is there a You tube link to video. I wonder what is so offensive about the video ? I bet there is another angle to this story.

Ab:Sami
Jun 25, 2013 12:16pm

No this is not a matter to case fatality. It must have more contest.

Aizaz Moin
Jun 25, 2013 12:12pm

@vicky: I second that. This country is ruined and they have only themselves to blame

Mirza
Jun 25, 2013 12:16pm

@Danish A.: Wrong with Pakistan????????????????

Gerry D'Cunha
Jun 25, 2013 12:34pm

another credit to the followers of peaceful islam

Human
Jun 25, 2013 12:38pm

Chilas has become a terror land where humans don't dare to pass by. The thirst for blood of this land(Chilas) has become a never ending phenomenon. Apart from everyday killings on tribal enmities, Honor killings, we have seen many major incidents like the Tourist killings on June 23rd. Last year 100s of passenger traveling to Gilgit were taken out of the buses, identified and gunned down by the local miscreants who operate under direct supervision of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

Syed Asif Zafar
Jun 25, 2013 12:44pm

Shame for pakistani goverement.Mr PM must open his eye and come out his King house.

Syed asif jeddah

mj
Jun 25, 2013 12:45pm

Its about time that the death sentance be put to use in response to such honor killings. Pakistan badly needs a strong legal system and we need to take a stern stance to show that such acts of barbarism would not be tolerated.

Pankaj
Jun 25, 2013 12:47pm

What is shameful in it ? "Is playing in rain is anti-islamic ?"

Mushtaque Nizamani
Jun 25, 2013 12:50pm

Extremely sad to hear about that.

anwar
Jun 25, 2013 01:00pm

bad very bad....

Abdullah Hussain
Jun 25, 2013 12:57pm

Unless illiteracy is dealt with such false honour and attitude will continue to be a cause for such stupidity. Rightly said by Dixit that the person who initially distributed the video should also be held responsible for the murder alike.

M S Sheikh
Jun 25, 2013 01:23pm

Sad and un acceptable act. But let us wait for full details. What kind of dance provoked such extreme act and who was there to make the video and then circulate it?

Females enjoying rain is no offence or sin. For obvious reasons one should be careful about their attire particularly when a video is being made by whoever, male or female.

sam
Jun 25, 2013 01:25pm

@SM: wild barbaric bunch of freaks this society harbours. no wonder we are lablled terrorists around the globe. senseless, mindless insanely corrupt and stupid men. all product of ignorance and mullah-charged twisted versions of religion that europe used to follow in so called dark ages. what a shame and disgrace to the whole world we are.

Tahir
Jun 25, 2013 01:38pm

Family honor? What family when your sisters and mother lie dead? Such crimes should automatically qualify for a mandatory death sentence. Can religious scholars, an oxymoron I realize, not speak against this travesty?

Dhammi
Jun 25, 2013 01:36pm

@Pankaj: It is Islamic brain which is shameful nothing else.

Guru
Jun 25, 2013 01:38pm

Playing in the rain, within their own house !! These innocents had committed only one fault - to have a brother like this. He should be hunted down like an animal & killed. Time is past for any niceties of law.

Kesar
Jun 25, 2013 01:39pm

What a barbaric society!

Dhammi
Jun 25, 2013 01:42pm

@Shakeel: Dear Shakeel we understand your frustrations but it is sickness and try to understand so that you can stay away from that so proud society of religious muslims.

SAD&ASHAMED
Jun 25, 2013 01:46pm

Mobile phone with a technology to make videos and take pictures, these Jahil and frustrated people don't deserve the Cell Phones. Mostly young guys have no self-esteem every one's looking something to Show off, and prove a point they are something. Any girl becomes friend with them they want a proof for their friends to show off. They make videos and take girls pictures. But they not aware of that this low-life act can destroy Girls life and reputation. Unless it happened to their sister. No Solution for these people. Only ALLAH can help

Dhammi
Jun 25, 2013 01:49pm

@Danish A.: A right mind will denounce this religion.

Adnan Khan
Jun 25, 2013 01:48pm

How does killing your own family members restore the family HONOUR? When there is no family left, then where is the honour? The relative who leaked the video should have been punished. And then they call themselves Muslims, Hypocrites!

Public
Jun 25, 2013 02:09pm

@Pankaj: Where did Islam come in to this?

STOP linking everything that happens in Pakistan to Islam!

Pramod
Jun 25, 2013 02:08pm

Happyness seems unIslamic.

Dr.Nasir
Jun 25, 2013 02:09pm

Some people is getting it wrong. There is no harm in enjoying in rain. The real culprit is the one who leaked the video. He is the one who deserves to be punished for assaulting the privacy of the family.

Farhan
Jun 25, 2013 02:14pm

Hang the ones caught without wasting a minute! PERIOD!

Jamshed Khan
Jun 25, 2013 02:27pm

@Pankaj: No, it is not anti-Islamic within the boundaries of their own house. But don't make a pathetic attempt to drag Islam into it. Read this: "stepbrother Khutore took it as an “assault on the honour of his family” and tried to “restore the family’s honour” by killing the girls.

sheikh
Jun 25, 2013 02:27pm

culpirt is video maker, he must be punished.

JaiRam
Jun 25, 2013 02:48pm

I am sure now the honor of the family is fully restored, if ever they had one. Great job....

muhammad farooq
Jun 25, 2013 02:52pm

Very sad news, indeed. To stop such honor killing incidents it is important that courts should try such cases quickly and those responsible for murder should be hanged to death with full publicity. As long term measures, kids in schools shoud receive right education about this wrong practice.

Hosh wagan
Jun 25, 2013 03:08pm

Very sad news honour killing is becoming common in our to days life an alarming situation for our leaders

noor
Jun 25, 2013 03:11pm

This is a glimpse of what can happen when there is no education, no law and no justice.

AHA
Jun 25, 2013 03:14pm

@Pankaj: This is a cultural issue really. Islam is just a silent by-stander.

Salim Akbani
Jun 25, 2013 04:43pm

@Pankaj: IN their regressive mind, women breathing in public is insulting. Everything insults them. They are very angry people.

lukman
Jun 25, 2013 04:46pm

its very sad news.........

Ahmer
Jun 25, 2013 05:03pm

If pakistan is not a failed state (in every department of life) then there has never been any such thing as "a fail state".

Tony Henton
Jun 25, 2013 05:42pm

@NK Ali: TO kill for people having fun in the rain shows they must be mentally retarded. Honour killing over rain. Pathetic cretins Tony Oxford UK

naheem
Jun 25, 2013 06:09pm

@Danish A.: How can u comment on pakistans affairs when in INDIA women are being gang raped!! "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" p.s also I beleive this act to be shamefull and below human standards.

Rudra
Jun 25, 2013 06:09pm

I feel very thankful to god that I am not Born in a society like Pakistan. 2 innocent lives lost because they loved the rain god gave them.

Syed Anwar
Jun 25, 2013 06:29pm

We have not seen the punishment of such culprits even after their confession we have not seen any punishment. we don't know whether there exists any law for such culprits or not. Are we living in a state or in a forest?

Saira
Jun 25, 2013 07:09pm

This refelects the poor social morals in our society.....each & every person is reponsible for such incidents....from the movie maker to the distributers....our parents not watching what their children are involved in....handing over the mobile phones,cameras and give them FREEDOM to what they want to do....Then our edcuation system who could make people differntiate between a real dishonor.....I feel sad for the innocent girls and their mother..they have been punished just for being a part of such illeterate society...

someone
Jun 25, 2013 07:43pm

I think this person should be harshly punished in public so that other people know the cost of such an "honor" saving act.

SHAJIA AHMED
Jun 25, 2013 08:40pm

@Dhammi: Please do not say like this. The sad thing of today is that Islam is the best religion but Muslims are the worst followers. In a religion where the first word revealed to the Muslims were "IQRA" means READ. Increase your knowledge. And look at today's Muslims. Denouncing religion won't help, improving ourselves will. Hope this helps.

Rizwan Nasar
Jun 25, 2013 09:21pm

@abc: The Almighty has NOT prohibited us from making images of humans and animals. If you are a follower of Islam then you should take time (Ramadan is coming) and read the Quran (the final world of Allah SWT). There is no verse and no indication anywhere in the book that making images is haram. The problem with Muslims is that they have invented things that are not in the book and made it a part of their lives. We make statements without validations and sense. Islam is the most logical of religions. Allah SWT has given us reasons for everything he has allowed or disallowed for us. What Allah SWT has made mandatory on all Muslims is to seek knowledge and please note that calling oneself a Talib does not constitute that you are seeking education.

Nasir
Jun 25, 2013 09:26pm

@Dhammi: These killing has nothing to do with religion. This is more of regional thing where customs and archaic tradition plays a large role.

NK
Jun 25, 2013 09:24pm

@Gerry D'Cunha: Islam has nothing to do with it. This is ignorance and their tradition, which they try to name as Islam. please do not link any killings with Islam. there is killings every-day in the cities of the western countries . women are brutally killed... children are sexually abused. Human make sins everyday throughout the world. All round the world. but nobody names it Christian killings or any other religions killings. these are really really ignorant and bad people among us... Do Not Blame Islam!!!! for God's Sake.

Nasir
Jun 25, 2013 09:27pm

@Gerry D'Cunha: I will repeat it again and again, nothing to do with ISLAM! The tradition and custom where they live is cause this to happen. Go read Quran and you will know the respect Islam give to women, way before whatever religion you are from

Nasir
Jun 25, 2013 09:33pm

@Pankaj: I will say it again, it has nothing to do with ISLAM. Tradition and cultural plays a big role in these kind of incidents. Ask yourself what is dishonorable in a place you live? Is it the same everywhere else in your country? If you want to bash Islam do it but don't do it in guise of a messiah show your true color

a
Jun 25, 2013 09:35pm

@Pankaj: You need some english lessons dude.

RAM KISHAN SINGH
Jun 25, 2013 10:05pm

What is wrong with girls dancing in rain???????

aj
Jun 25, 2013 10:08pm

@Dhammi: Crawl back to the same stone where you come from... you are the mindset of those killers

aj
Jun 25, 2013 10:15pm

@Pankaj: Does the article mention about Islam??? or you just did not bothered to read, also was Dehli rapes were part of Hinduism, sub continent is full of sickos like you

aj
Jun 25, 2013 10:19pm

@Gerry D'Cunha: Get your eyes tested, where does the article says anything about Islam. Or is credit to the Bible to attack other countries of world and kill the innocent people like you and your allied forces currently doing in Afghanistan.

mehreen
Jun 25, 2013 10:26pm

@M S Sheikh: you are sick....nothing justifies murder of the innocent, show me where in Islam murdering a women is justified because she was dancing? It is people like you that are raising young men to do the sick and disgusting things they are doing these days. Women are NOT your property, no matter what your father or local mullah told you. Let me repeat....YOU ARE SICK and DISGUSTING, I hope to God you do not have any daughters or sisters, wouldn't be surprised if you killed them in the name of honor for talking to a shopkeeper.

Phill
Jun 25, 2013 10:36pm

@SAD&ASHAMED: "Only ALLAH can help"

Please explain why you think this Allah can help? He doesn't seem to do anything. If he does exist then he obviously enjoyed watching this brutal murder otherwise why does he ever stop any of this?

Every news article I watch in Britain that comes from the middle east shows muslims killing each other while chanting Allah hu akbar. What the hell is so great about this god that kills all these people?

Free your minds from the insanity of religion. Ask yourselves what GOOD reason do I have for believing in a god? What evidence is there for this god?

Cavemen used to hide in their caves from the lightening because they thought the big man in the sky was angry, they knew nothing of charged electrons and static electricity. Religion filled in the gap, explained what we wanted to understand but didn't.

It's the 21st century people. Come out from your caves, don't be frightened of the lightening, there is no angry man in the sky.

Shruti
Jun 25, 2013 10:49pm

@Adnan Khan: Well even if the video was leaked, so what!! They were enjoying rain! Whats so wrong with that?

Shruti
Jun 25, 2013 10:50pm

@Dixit: No it was the brother's fault.

Playing in the rain is harmless!

Khurram Jadoon
Jun 25, 2013 10:52pm

@Dhammi:

This incident has nothing to do with Islam. Please take it as a bad social norm. BTW, should we call all bad happening in India being Hindu brain set?

Khurram Jadoon
Jun 25, 2013 10:53pm

@Kesar: what .???

Raj
Jun 25, 2013 11:01pm

A sick society with sick people.

ahmed jawad
Jun 25, 2013 11:43pm

@Pankaj: Sir please don’t relate it with Islam. this is mental sickness and anyone who belongs to any religion can be effected with this.

Mustafa
Jun 26, 2013 01:07am

Dharma-mi;

They are bigots just like you and others in your Dharma. just employing a little different irrationality than you, I understand in your Dharma, burning is the preferred method.

piyari khan
Jun 26, 2013 01:48am

How honorable can you be, that you run after commiting an honorable act! There is much more to this story, like him being the stepson and not getting his fathers attention! not wanting to share his inheritance with two sisters etc...I hope they catch him and chop off his honor!

sid
Jun 26, 2013 01:55am

@Dhammi and everyone who is tying this crime to Islam. You may conclude mainly due to your bias and preconceived misconceptions that this crime was committed as a religious duty despite the fact that the article suggests that it was an honor killing which is more of a cultural phenomenon. But it only illustrates one of the two possibilities: (1) You are dishonest in concluding that Islam actually teaches or even tolerates any such horrible acts. It is only your hatred and bias that urges you to make this statement. (2) You have done enough study of Islam and honestly believe that Islam actually teaches it's followers these horrible things. If it is (1), it is shameful for obvious reasons. If it is (2), your level of intellect is the same as the person who actually committed the crime because their interpretation of Islam (according to you) is the same as that of yours. The person misdirected his hate and false pride towards his innocent family and you are doing the same towards a religion that has nothing to do with this crime.

Imad Khan
Jun 26, 2013 02:40am

@Gerry D'Cunha:

where did u read that he killed because of Islam, infact where does it say anything about any religion

Take your hatred somewhere else.

Imad Khan
Jun 26, 2013 02:50am

@Kesar:

well atleast they are not going around gang rapping women like the society to the east of this country

Nasr
Jun 26, 2013 03:02am

A lot of the worse that happens in our country is not due to the teaching of Islam but these are crimes under the garb of cultural traditions, honor, and of course because of the curse of being uneducated.

Ahsan Raza
Jun 26, 2013 03:28am

it is another shocking case exposing our society.

j.
Jun 26, 2013 05:24am

@Rudra: It's 3, the mother died too.

Trogdoors7
Jun 26, 2013 06:28am

@noor: and Islam.

Steve
Jun 26, 2013 06:38am

@Rudra, there is so much wrong with your statement. I guess it's easy to turn a blind eye on your own beliefs while judging others.

Harke
Jun 26, 2013 06:57am

@Pankaj: Even if the girls committed the most shameful act in the universe, they should not be murdered. Therefore... The shamefulness of their enjoyment of rain is irrelevant.

Amy
Jun 26, 2013 07:12am

@Abdullah Hussain: Teaching a person to become literate, while a worthy goal, will not make a self-centered, entitled individual suddenly consider other's lives to be on the same level as his. The solution to this is not to teach them to read, but to teach them that women's lives and freedoms are equal to their own.

Mick
Jun 26, 2013 07:23am

@Rudra: Lucky for them it was all in his plan -_-

peacelife
Jun 26, 2013 07:31am

@sheikh @Dr.Nasir @Adnan Khan: You people sicken me. You are blaming the people who circulated the video, instead of the murderers. Please let us place the blame where it is due: in the savage stepson and in the religion/culture that produced his mentality. Or would you rather pardon the stepson for the murders and consider his actions honourable?

Peacelife, India

Tate
Jun 26, 2013 07:32am

@Rudra:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain

That is the process of Rain. Can you show me where God has anything to do with it ?

holland
Jun 26, 2013 07:29am

@Rudra: And they probably killed them because of their god. You can't both be right but you can both be wrong.

Sam
Jun 26, 2013 07:35am

@Rudra: 3 innocent lives. They killed the mother to.

Sam
Jun 26, 2013 07:37am

@Rudra: 3 innocent lives. They killed the mother to.

freedomfromreligion
Jun 26, 2013 07:38am

@Rudra: you are flat out ignorant

Hugo
Jun 26, 2013 07:47am

@Rudra: Don't bring religion into this. That's half the problem.

EQ8Rhomes
Jun 26, 2013 07:49am

@JaiRam: Consider this old time situation: step mother, 2 teen step sisters and a very up-tight teen boy. 2+2=? Now label it "honour", "religious duty", "culture"---whatever. There is a very primordial stink in this "story".

Ekto
Jun 26, 2013 07:55am

If the guy himself has any honour, he would turn himself in instead of hiding.

Emmyg
Jun 26, 2013 08:06am

@Dr.Nasir: Um, NO ONE should be punished because of something like this. Maybe the girls didn't mind the video being circulated--- they weren't doing anything shameful.

johnjones
Jun 26, 2013 08:08am

@Jamshed Khan: Islam has everything to do with this. Don't fool yourselves. Honor killings are rooted in the religion. Show me a secular version of honor killings.

wetcoastchef
Jun 26, 2013 08:11am

This is a learned behaviour, passed on from father to son. At what point in humanity did a father first begin the concept of honour killing? This behaviour is not something that will end any time soon.

John Doe
Jun 26, 2013 08:19am

This is a place still living in the dark ages, the only reason they even have phones is because of the west, religion is a massive control tool that needs to go if we are to live in peace on this rock floating in a large empty vacum called space...... how i dont know but from my experience people are very afraid of their beliefs and that fear drives them to commit to things like honour killings, being braught up in a society were from birth all you here is the words god is great and to anyone who thinks different should be killed ....... yea it needs to go ... not one mans religion is better than another, imagine how fast humans would progress if religion (the belief in an after life because of fear of death) never happened, sorry for grammar.

adam
Jun 26, 2013 08:16am

@Adnan Khan: Why should anyone be punished at ALL?

Dovahkiin42
Jun 26, 2013 08:18am

@Rudra: You say you are thankful to your god for not being born there. Why not actually do something to make it better there. Seriously. Rather than participate in a religion that is extremely similar to the religion causing the problem, you should do something about it. And wtf are is your god doing if they gave rain to those women, knowing that they would get killed over it? This disproves his omni-benevolence. Or it disproves his omniscience. This is one of the reasons that (I assume you are christian, however judaism and islam apply equally) your religion is helping this problem. Rather than do things you sit back and are thankful that it isn't you! Because you posted two points considering your god, I suggest to you that next time you feel like you should pray for someone, donate your time or resources to helping them. Rather than praying for them, which has no scientific proof of working, do something about it. I don't care if you go to your church and ask your fellow sheep to help and give money to NGOs that help promote women's rights in Pakistan. Seriously, if you feel that your time is better used thinking to an invisible sky wizard that you are happy that it isn't you there, I would reevaluate what kind of morals your religion gives you.

adam
Jun 26, 2013 08:19am

@M S Sheikh: No

Kirsten
Jun 26, 2013 08:24am

Am I missing something?!?!? How is dancing in the rain a disgrace to a family name...especially when it's in their own home?!?!? I am just sick to my stomach reading this story. Hearing things like this remind me of how fortunate I am to have been born and raised in Canada where women and girls are not oppressed.

Me
Jun 26, 2013 08:22am

@AHA:

If Islam is just a bystander then it is useless.

Figures
Jun 26, 2013 08:28am

Don't ever expect a country like Pakistan to act like human beings.

normal person
Jun 26, 2013 08:26am

@Dr.Nasir: Just no. That's crazy talk. No one is at fault except for the people who killed them.

Rob
Jun 26, 2013 08:30am

No god will stop this, because no god can. If any exists, they leave it up to us to sort out our problems. We need to wake up. WE are the inhabitants of this planet. Feel free to worship, but do not let that become the center of your life. The affairs of god are irrelevant to us. What arrogance to say that we have books purporting to be his writings, and not merely bigoted and ignorant stories from men of power, trying to impose their own twisted will on society. Our affairs are irrelevant to god, he merely watches. If he created this entire universe, do you really think it was to micromanage one of his creations, among centillions? Do you merely accept what you read in a book, or hear from a holy man? Or do you truly consider what god is, have you really thought about the man? Have you considered that referring to God as a he or she, makes no sense?

If you want people to stop being abused and killed. Stop killing people, stop creating reasons for people to die. Stop imposing superstition and concepts of honor on people. If you want true justice, do not cut off the hands of a thief, help the man. He is not a thief by choice. You cannot respond to negativity with more of the same, all you produce is a darker world. How can a belief in systems such as sharia continue, where does brutality get us? If we help each other, the man does not need to steal. If we respect each other, we can heal so many of the ailments afflicting our society.

For anybody to say that Love is not the best way forward for humanity, you are lost. We can go in any direction we want. Nothing is true, and everything is permitted. We can destroy this world tomorrow, or we can live in peace til this universe ends. The choice falls to us, we are the masters of our own destinies, no deity is. If we love, and respect each other, regardless of orientation towards anything, then we win the game. If we do this, if there is a god watching us, he will be smiling. Smiling because we figured it out.

And seriously, Middle eastern men, if you cannot help raping women when they show their heads, faces or skin in general. Then it has nothing to do with women or girls. That doesn't mean they have to live in a bag. That means you have problems in your male dominated society. It means you need to keep your dick in your pants. It means you are a terrible person. It means men need to change. See each other as people, woman or man comes after.

SecularHumanist
Jun 26, 2013 08:50am

@M S Sheikh: Soooooooooo, they deserved to be killed? You are part of the problem. Stories like this also make me conclude that the hijab is more about controlling women than modesty.

Lalu
Jun 26, 2013 08:47am

The manufacturer of the mobile phone should be punished.

Ashish
Jun 26, 2013 08:58am

@Public: I thought Pakistan was created in the name of Islam since their founders thought they had nothing in common with their ancestors.

Abu Bakar
Jun 26, 2013 09:43am

In medieval times, the punishment for egregious crimes involved pouring molten metal down the throats of the culprits. This is one instance in which such a punishment might be justified.

RainComesFromClouds
Jun 26, 2013 10:06am

@Rudra: Or, you know, killed because their stepbrother is a psychopath. Psychopaths live all around the world. Unless you live in a hole somewhere, chances are you live in a society that also houses people with murderous potential. Not only that, but I wouldn't blame it on their society, as they seem to be as appalled as the rest of us, hence the investigation leading to the arrests.

Gise
Jun 26, 2013 10:32am

None of this sentiment will change aslong as the guilty aren't being prosecuted. The punishment must fit the crime as women are equal members of the human race and honor killings should be held accountable as illegal brutal murders punishable by death just as any other murder no exceptions.

farooq
Jun 26, 2013 10:48am

This should not be annexed with Islam, Islam gives respect and hohnour to the women, we should not circulate such videos which can take lives and honour of people. If the people of that area respect these girls according to Islam these will live.

sajjad
Jun 26, 2013 10:45am

We need to confess that there are some people who have barabaric mentality, who lives in Chilas. Just one year ago, the mob of Chilasees stopped the passenger buses going to Gilgit and under very eyes of police, identifies shia passengers and killedthem brutally by hitting the passengers with rock. Regretably no one came to rescue of shia passengers and no action was taken against the culprits till now. Then we see the group of terrorists who trekked from Chilas and killed innocent foreign tourists, who were our honored guests and hence brought a bad name for Pakistan in whole world. Such an activity could not take place without the support of local elements. Now we are seeing another horrible incident. It is the need of hour to launch a cleanup operation in Chilas, so that extremist and takfeeri elements including mullahs could be flushed out.

yoo
Jun 26, 2013 11:03am

OMG restore honor with death... how stupid can someone be, to believe this! It's a shame that such ppl live on this earth!

I hope there is a hell, where this ppl burn in eternity!

Nermal2000
Jun 26, 2013 11:07am

@Rudra: If there is anything this story should have proved to you is that God did not give them rain as God obviously does not exist. If you still need proof of that then re-read the article.

Chris Simmons
Jun 26, 2013 11:11am

@naheem: Commenting on the atrocities in Pakistan does not belittle what is going on elsewhere in the world such as India. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Religion has been a huge factor in the needless deaths in society, and this story is no exception to that mindset.

I really fail to see how two innocent girls playing in the rain bring dishonour to a family, to the point that they must be killed. Seems rather detrimental to enabling a society to flourish, by continuing to kill off its own members for such petty actions. Are there no forward and open minded members of Pakistan left to speak out on this topic?

Sadly, I believe there are very few left who have the courage to see how self-destructive the Pakistan religion-based ruling hierarchy has become.

BarryG
Jun 26, 2013 11:19am

@naheem:

Below human standards, agreed. But below Islamic standards?

Atif
Jun 26, 2013 11:17am

Just as gang rapes in India do not become an integral part of the Hindu religion/ritual I suggest that sanity prevail and religious attacks are avoided in this thread. No religion in the world advocates senseless actions.

James
Jun 26, 2013 11:38am

@Rudra: you only feel that way cos you were born in an area with a different religious majority. You could just as easily be praising or thinking the killers had a point.

Religion in all it's form with its othering and discrimination is the problem here. The water cycle has nothing to do with a god, and neither does a family's happiness at the rain, nor a group of men trying to restore honor by killing them.

Xug
Jun 26, 2013 01:02pm

@abc: ABC - images such as this did not exist when the lord almighty walked the earth. Any religious law that states otherwise is a fabrication by men, and completely false. These women were innocent and killed by small minded men.

Justme
Jun 26, 2013 01:14pm

Stop calling this honour-killings, start calling this ignorance-killings.

Ian
Jun 26, 2013 01:19pm

The "religion of peace" has motivated this particular bit of insanity. Since it's the underlying cause that won't go away anytime soon, expect to hear another horrible story in a not too far off future. Not exactly like this one was the first one, and not exactly like they are all from just one country.

Pramod
Jun 26, 2013 01:31pm

@naheem: So In Pakistan, no rape happens , We accept that rape happened in India but you come to know about them because they were registered and people came out in support of rapist. Many rapist has been punished as well. In Pakistan, most of the rape goes unregistered as Victim herself will become victim of another assault by society and your judiciary which ask her to produce 4 righteous Muslim men who are eyewitness of rape.

ahsan
Jun 26, 2013 01:37pm

Its not the first time such a gory incident has happened in Chilas. Earlier, four girls were murdered for watching their male relatives do traditional dance. Other horrific incidents include killing of shias in Babuser and Chilas, rape of a Norwegian trekker and the recent killing of 9 mountaineers. It is not even an cultural issue. People of Chilas and Kohistan follow the same sect of Islam as that of Taliban and LeJ. This sect has issued fatwas justifying such acts. You just need to google it.

Justice
Jun 26, 2013 01:41pm

Just as these women spent their final moments of life in terror, so too should these men quite soon, hopefully.

RobotStick
Jun 26, 2013 01:55pm

@Nasir: Women are below men: 2:228 And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise 2:892 And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women, 4:176 unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females.

Women as property: 4:20 And if ye wish to exchange one wife for another and ye have given unto one of them a sum of money (however great), take nothing from it. Would ye take it by the way of calumny and open wrong ? 11:78 - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you. Beware of Allah, and degrade me not in (the person of) my guests. Is there not among you any upright man ?

Men are in charge of a woman and should be submissive or should be beaten to submission: 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Women have no say: 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

I can go on, really!

Deepen C
Jun 26, 2013 02:34pm

I think rain should be banned too. That is the main problem in this case. A fatwa should be issued against rain immediately.

gary
Jun 26, 2013 03:15pm

@ahmed jawad: What you said is true, but the dose of religion in every sphere of life is far too excess among muslims. A little less Islam would have done no harm to them.

gary
Jun 26, 2013 03:15pm

@Shruti: Islam does not allow any physical enjoyment.

gary
Jun 26, 2013 03:35pm

@Shakeel:

Too much religion does no good to anybody.

Muslims in UK are very religious. They make sure their children pray five times a day. And yet, Muslim prisoners in UK jails are disproportionately high. Muslims are almost 13 percent against Hindus who are 0.4 percent in UK jails. Read on the net.

By the end of June 2011, Muslim prisoners are 10672 and Hindu prisoners are 452. But in general population Hindus and Muslims are approximately same.

dunny
Jun 26, 2013 03:59pm

@Phill: God gave man free will, man does terrible things.. Can't really blame god, if he was to step in and stop it free will would be pointless. Free will is required cos life basically is a test, and stepping in would alter the 'results'

vivi1492
Jun 26, 2013 04:06pm

@Nasir: Islam orders the killing of women in all countries where there is Sharia. Why do you say otherwise?

vivi1492
Jun 26, 2013 04:08pm

@Phill: No, they are heading directly into their cave. So they do not hurt the rest of humanity. We do not want those people!

Kumar
Jun 26, 2013 04:11pm

@AHA: I agree

Lemmy
Jun 26, 2013 04:35pm

@Raj: U r also part of a sick society...dont ever forget...

Lemmy
Jun 26, 2013 04:39pm

@Gerry D'Cunha: This has nothing to do with Islam...We all enjoy rain...muslims or non-muslims...be more open minded Gerry, wherever you are from...

Peace

vivi1492
Jun 26, 2013 04:58pm

@Mohan: You can also dance out of the house. And this is not a problem.

Omar
Jun 26, 2013 05:22pm

@Rob: "And seriously, Middle eastern men, if you cannot help..." Chilas is in Gilgit-Baltistan. Appreciate your passion though :)

Syed Asad
Jun 26, 2013 05:48pm

@Figures: Yeah Indians are more human in this regard :)

rih
Jun 26, 2013 06:03pm

Very sad

aaa
Jun 26, 2013 06:06pm

Seems like something is missing in the story. It just does not add up. It goes against normal logic. If someone distributed a home vidoe it would have been that person family should have been after and not after their own family.

aaa
Jun 26, 2013 06:05pm

is there anyone in pakisan who has not enjoyed rain in summer. That is the best part.

Arul
Jun 26, 2013 07:54pm

@Imad Khan: People like you are the reason for all the ills facing India and Pakistan. Does it really make you feel better to say 'Atleast we didn't do things like India'? It looks like you are ok with these crimes as long as you believe they are less barbaric than the crimes committed in India. People like you brings less hope for the longevity of humanity.

Anshuman
Jun 26, 2013 08:10pm

@NK: Some people just don't get it.....Sigh..I guess you need more tutoring at the hands of the extremists...

Nasir
Jun 26, 2013 08:21pm

@James: where does it say religion in the story? Religion can be misconstrue in any religion. Unfortunately education has a large part to play in any society of which Pakistan is lacking. Taking advantage of these poor illetrate people comes these Maulvi who promisied them if they do certain things God will be happy and reward them. Sort of like a spell. If they, or any religion, would read their scripts and UNDERSTAND it then outcome would be different

Zimbo_Indian
Jun 26, 2013 09:10pm

@abc: If God has prohibited making images of humans and animals then in that case the person who recorded the video should have been killed. Why the girls?

Jay
Jun 26, 2013 09:13pm

@Pankaj: No Pankaj, Playing in rain is not against Islam just like gang rape in India has nothing to do with Hinduism. Please keep the religion out since you have no knowledge of Islam in the first place.

Matthew Myers
Jun 26, 2013 09:30pm

so there is no insult in one killing another, oh but enjoying rain is wronggggggg, Please explain this to me someone who is muslim. Should we veil the rain because it is too attractive?

Matthew Myers
Jun 26, 2013 09:30pm

@Justice: Karma

zuhaib
Jun 26, 2013 10:49pm

@gary: It has nothing to do with religion. it is the custom of area and even non-Muslims follow these old barbaric customs. As for Hindus only upper cast Hindus follow these customs and lower casts which are mostly workers and constitute majority of the Hindus do not follow these so called customs of perceived honour as they are not suppose to have honour in Hindu customs and traditions

W.
Jun 26, 2013 10:52pm

@Atif: Agree with you ... this incident is a result of cultural prejudices. religion has no bearing on it.

Observer
Jun 26, 2013 11:24pm

@Chris Simmons: Religion might be a huge factor but the bigger factor is Education! The religious mullahs can only influence the thinking of uneducated poor individuals (which unfortunately my country has in millions) and twist religion to ignite violence and intolerance against anything secular. On the other hand a huge population of Pakistan consists of intellectuals, highly learned individuals, scholars and scientists and experts in every field. They also practice Islam but at the same time are secular and tolerant and are productive members of the society. An educated Mulsim won't do something like this, an unedcuated muslim would. So it's not religion - it's education. Tribal culture of honor killing etc is not religion based, it's been passed on by their fore fathers - which you guessed it right were unfortunately illiterate. This could apply to Pakistan, India or anywhere where we have millions of poor people who are uneducated.

zuhaib
Jun 27, 2013 12:00am

@RobotStick: You can quote many more out of context but will not make an iota of difference to the believers. you must read them in context and overall Islamic social system. Moreover most of your references are wrong (You must have copied from poor source). Kindly take some time to read the holy Qur'an and try to understand in the context.

Although I can go on and on quoting from Bible or Hindu Vedas but I want you to understand Quran.

Kesar
Jun 27, 2013 12:01am

@Imad Khan: Your answer typifies the attitude why this country will never be at peace with itself as long as we have people like you.

Kesar
Jun 27, 2013 12:05am

@Khurram Jadoon: What don't you understand. May be you are better off keeping your head firmly rooted in the sand.

Patriot
Jun 27, 2013 12:12am

@Abu Bakar: Are you insane??? What kind of a hideous statement was that. It is exactly people like you that are responsible for the death & destruction in Pakistan. Go to hell!! Just pray hard that it doesn't happen to any of the girls in your family.

a
Jun 27, 2013 01:06am

@Ian: What does this have to do with religion?? they were motivated by their tribal "honour code", not by religion. I dont think they were practicing muslims. If they were following islam, they ahd no right to do that terrible crime

independentthinker
Jun 27, 2013 02:41am

If this man was so ashamed of what his stepsisters did - maybe he should have taken his own life - that way he wouldn't have had to face this humility. I strongly believe he should face the most severe punishment, so that it could teach others a lesson not to even let this thought cross their mind. I cannot ever imagine any religion condoning such acts - it is the interpretation of the religion (unfortunately it is not restricted to Islam only - Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.), that encourages these extreme views. While these uneducated population of our society will continue to practice such extreme views, I believe our justice system - which i hope is run by well-educated, smart individuals, whosel common sense allows them to distinguish right from wrong, will apply the full force of the law and teach these criminals a lesson, where no one in the future will dare consider taking such measures.

Kevin
Jun 27, 2013 09:04am

My request to dawn that plz stop these comment section becoz for most part this only adds to the problems and the vicious hatred between followers od different religions.It just goes off from the topic and becomes jaw jaw about my religion is better than yours one.

jude
Jun 27, 2013 10:15am

@aaa: it doesn't defy logic, i am from that area and there are many stories having logic against normal. Many women are killed to restore "fake honor of the family"

jude
Jun 27, 2013 10:17am

@gary: well said gary, it is usually the case people never practice what they preach!!!! and everything they are taught, you will find is missing in the society

Zohaib
Jun 27, 2013 10:41am

@RobotStick: What would you do if u catch your wife with another man in compromised position. You would directly divorce her or worse. You would definitely not talk to her and try to convince her otherwise. But a Muslim man is ordered to talk to his wife and try to convince her, even then if she doesn't stop then he is ordered to stop having any physical contact with her as a punishment. Even after that if she commits adultery again and he still wants to keep her as a wife then he is allowed to beat her (that too with the thinnest stick and with the weakest force) and then if she stops committing adultery then forget about this all episode and do not taunt or tease her in future. This is 4:34 (Surah Al Nisa) Hope this helps you.

Realist
Jun 27, 2013 11:19am

@RobotStick: Gross misstatement. Islam is the only religion which recognized rights of women to date. Also, I don't know how sick people like you relate your message to the article's content. Nowhere is it mentioned that the step-brother had a fit of religious bout, it is an internal rivalry and should be treated as such.

Realist
Jun 27, 2013 11:19am

@Ian: I wonder where in the article did you find mention of Islam. Maybe you were reading another article or just having a bad day. Chill out dude.

Azeem (India)
Jun 27, 2013 11:39am

@johnjones: C'mon, dont bring in religion. Islam has nothing to do here. The incident is yet another proof that the people in the subcontinent are still in deep-shit. It takes time even to differentiate between people who have gone astray and those who misunderstood religion and the rest of the people.

Azeem (India)
Jun 27, 2013 12:16pm

@sheikh: Culprit is not video-maker. It is bad governance. If the law enforcing authorities did the right thing to ensure that not another human being should be killed in the name of such false beliefs, such killings would have been history long time back.

Jamshed Khan
Jun 27, 2013 12:39pm

@johnjones: Honour killings have existed in the sub-continent culture a long before the arrival of Islam, in particular in the KP and surrounding regions. You need to brush up your history. Every act of lunacy is not the fault of Islam. Islam does not teach honour killings. Stop maligning a faith.

Peace
Jun 27, 2013 01:43pm

This is the problem with you guys, U think you religion is the only religion which does good things and rest all are bad.

Devil
Jun 27, 2013 02:05pm

didn't get it ! what was wrong in the act as per those who killed them .. dancing ? dancing in rain? or making video while dancing ?

really tough to understand these acts of violence in Pakistan now .. they can kill you for anything but killing people !

human
Jun 27, 2013 03:30pm

And now west will say that this is what Islam teaches! Huh! Hypocrite West!

FaizanShaikh
Jun 27, 2013 07:28pm

Many of my friends have wasted zero time here to link this sad development to Religious Extremism. My request here is to please consider some points before defaming or false claiming anything. Firstly, the region mentioned here has a historic background which needs to be kept in mind before going forward. It was an important city on the Silk road along which, Buddhism was spread from South Asia to the rest of Asia. Then there were Tarkhan Dynasty, British Era, Tajiks of Xinjiang etc. So its a mix culture that has always captivated this land. But all along since that time, the environment in Gilgit has kept its own and there daily routine and life is pretty much the same as it used to be hundreds of years ago. You can call it Lack of Education or limited Religion Understanding or whatever but the truth is, in these historic places, Honor is always that comes first no matter what. I am in no way defending such irrational and horrendous activities but i am just putting their point of you which has over the years not changed a bit no matter what. Yes it is cruel and certainly not acceptable but this do exist there and we can not turn a blind eye to it. This incident has nothing to do with religion just like Rape cases in india has nothing to do with Hinduism and the horrendous School and Theatre Killings in US with Christianity. Please spread a better understanding of one another. We do not have another life to live. So live in peace and let others live too...!!!

Mubashir
Jun 27, 2013 08:00pm

There is no verse from the Quran that the killers can quote for committing this "honour" killing. What the village Mullah could have told them is another matter.

ABC
Jun 27, 2013 08:07pm

Nobody is entitled to give punishment to anybody, there are laws which we should follow. if they find guilty they will be punished. when the stepbrother killing his sisters with the help of his friends, he should think his friends are entering his home, first he has to shoot them.

Raju
Jun 27, 2013 08:18pm

@zuhaib: How many years did you stay in India?

ZH
Jun 27, 2013 09:14pm

@Zohaib: In Quran it does not mention adultery. You are supposed to behave the way you mentioned if your wife does not obey your or is arrogant. "Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Faisal
Jun 27, 2013 09:59pm

@Zohaib: The surah is not about commiting adultery, its about the wife disobeying the husband. Don't try to change the translation my friend.

Faisal
Jun 27, 2013 10:05pm

@zuhaib:

Just to make you happy, all three are man made.

Iqbal
Jun 27, 2013 10:31pm

Protection of honor amongst the tribes was in existence long before Islam came that's just another manifestation of a centuries old practice. What's Islam got to do with this?

Shoaib
Jun 28, 2013 01:51am

Brother won't have killed his sisters unless they did something against Islam. Maybe they showed their private parts, thats why he killed them. This action is allowed by holy Qu'ran. Women should show modesty at all times.

Imad Khan
Jun 28, 2013 02:21am

@Arul:

If you read my other statements u will understand that I am not that kinda guy, i don't want hatred among people, I am sorry if that hurt your feelings its just that guy had made me really angry.

mba
Jun 28, 2013 03:30am

I don´t see any direct relationship with Islam in this case. The murder of poor girls and their mother have most probably to do with (wrong) traditions arising from feudal mentality. In last two years a couple of "Honour Killings" occured also here in Italy - unfortunately in families of Pakistani origin. It is evident that these cases are referred to Islam. In the same way, most of Pkistanis relate any negativ news in the so-called "West" with Christianity which is rediculous, as the role of religion in most of West European countries is very limited. It is not a question of hypocracy in East or West.

illawarrior
Jun 28, 2013 06:32am

How do men manage to acquire such a warped mind-set? Murdering innocent women and girls is the real dis-honour.