It is a massacre alright. Sunni extremists, aligned with Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, are killing Shias by the dozens in Pakistan.

I was yet to compile the list of the 106 (mostly Shias) killed in the twin bomb blasts in Quetta last month, that the news of another bomb blast killing yet another 84 (mostly Shias) in Quetta came over the wire. As the Shia massacres in Pakistan gain momentum, the State, including the Superior Courts, appear completely impotent.

In such troubling times some Shias may have a choice. They may sit and wait for a messiah or relocate to a Shia-exclusive enclave elsewhere, or to escape from Pakistan altogether. It may sound harsh, but it is an inescapable truth that Pakistan has been run over by the extremists and life is going to be even tougher for the minorities and moderate Sunnis in the near future.

In the two consecutive months this year, bomb blasts have killed hundreds of Shia Hazaras in Quetta, a Garrison town where each and every street is manned by intelligence operatives. Still, the militants operate with impunity. Saturday’s bomb blast, which has killed over 80 and injured hundreds, occurred almost within a month of the last bomb blast that delivered even a higher death toll.

Space is fast running out in Shia graveyards in Quetta. It may be the time for Shias to relocate to protect their next generation.

Many naively believe that peace will prevail in Pakistan and Afghanistan after the scheduled withdrawal of Nato troops from Afghanistan in 2014. While I vehemently oppose prolonging the stay of the Nato forces in the region, still I believe this would spell even a bigger disaster for the minorities in Pakistan. The battle-hardened veterans of the Afghan war will return to Pakistan to target Shias, Ahmadis, and other religious minorities. Even Barelvis may not escape the wrath of the mostly Deobandi-led militancy.

There are reasons for my pessimism. I saw the same happen in the late nineties when the Afghan war veterans were pushed into Indian-administered Kashmir. The resulting militancy left over 70,000 dead in Kashmir but failed to make any tangible progress towards the resolution of the dispute that has pitched India, Pakistan, and Kashmiris in a deadly decades old conflict.

What looked like a gory beginning of a new millennium in Indian-administered Kashmir, the security landscape however suddenly transformed in 2002 when the militants started to relocate to Pakistan and Afghanistan to join the Pashtun Taliban. The result was a decline in militancy which is evident from the graph below that shows the drop in the number of news reports about militancy in Srinagar starting after 2002.

Source: Tabulations by the author using the Factiva (2013) database.
Source: Tabulations by the author using the Factiva (2013) database.

A spike in militancy in Pakistan however is observed at the same time when militancy subsided in Indian-administered Kashmir. See the graph below that documents the number of civilians and security force personnel who became victims of terrorist violence in Pakistan. Since 2003, Pakistan has been the target of terrorism orchestrated by the very agents who once afforded the state its strategic depth.

Source: (Feb. 15, 2013).
Source: (Feb. 15, 2013).

Shias and other religious minorities are the most targeted in Pakistan. No city is safe anymore. The past few weeks saw the targeted killing of Shia lawyers, doctors, and other professionals in Peshawar. Shia legislators were shot dead in Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi. While the State is struggling to suppress violence against Shias, the deep-rooted support for militants in society and the inadequate judicial system in Pakistan has created the situation where hardly any terrorist has been convicted of sectarian or other terrorism in Pakistan. In the past few years, several known militants have been set free by the courts because of the archaic judicial system that is incapable of convicting those involved in the modern-day guerilla warfare.

Some, not all, Shias have a choice. They can abandon the death traps in Quetta and Peshawar by relocating to the Shia majority areas in Karachi, Lahore, and other cities. A better option is to plead with the embassies in Islamabad for asylum for the Shia, especially the Hazara, youth.

Seeking asylum abroad may not win the approval of Pakistan’s superior courts, who have recently mocked those who held dual citizenship. However, it is better to be alive in exile than to be splattered on a wall in Pakistan.


Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is the Associate Dean of research and graduate programs at the Ted Rogers School of Management at Ryerson University in Toronto. He can be reached by email at


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Comments (464)

February 17, 2013 8:48 pm
Hussaini saheb...all I would say is with all its faults the foundation of the indian constitution is rock solid.
February 18, 2013 3:48 pm
The terrorists are very well known as well as their motives. After every bombing they openly announce who they are and that they have done it. What more information do we need?
Aqil Siddiqi
February 19, 2013 4:22 am
Yeh right, so then why they left India in the first place
February 19, 2013 3:24 am
Stop lying
Global Indian
February 19, 2013 6:21 am
Pakistan was destined for this. A wrong path will take you to destruction ONLY, later or sooner.
shandar khan
February 19, 2013 6:20 am
prakash,its sad that terrorists do it,not pakistan or its people.
February 19, 2013 4:17 am
You should give the rest of the story besides quoting from your phrase book. What business had the French to be in Algeria? They exploited their resouces while torturing and killing them for no reason except that they could.
Abdul j Sheikh
February 17, 2013 6:24 pm
Shia will never leave Pakistan.All the important land in all the big cities of Pakistan owned by shias. All the Bureaucracies represent larger number of shias. Pakistan's financial (banking, insurance. equities and etc.) system has larger number of shias in key positions. You still think, they gonna leave?
February 17, 2013 4:19 pm
I think Shia - Sunni peaceful coexistence is a figment of imagination. In my home town of Lucknow, I have never heard of Hindu - Muslim riots. But Shia - Sunni riots, especially during Muharram, are common place.
February 18, 2013 9:35 pm
Leaving wont solve the problem. And as you said " Sunni militants " - They are just Militants - Barbarians who have no religion whatsoever. What are they fighting for, and by killing what are they trying to prove. This is not a Shia problem, its a NATIONAL problem. We, as people should take a stand, a strong stand. We have a impotent government, ISI, and Army - If they cant do something - we should and sir leaving the country is not one of them. Yes these are tiring times - but this country belongs to all of us.
Aqil Siddiqi
February 19, 2013 4:10 am
Not just for your son, but for no one. What a shame.
February 19, 2013 12:05 am
How come 'Vaibhav' can be Shia?
February 18, 2013 10:17 pm
Globalization is being organized as an International Caste System...where the West will exploit and enjoy the labor and resources of the poor third world countries. Globalization is an abomination. Being sold to the uneducated and the ignorant. It will enslave the masses for eternity while the Super Fat Cats prey on them aand enjoy their spoils at leisure. You obviously have no concept of economics or international finance.
February 19, 2013 12:45 am
Quite the opposite actually from what you attribute to him.
February 18, 2013 10:29 pm
Your error lies in the fact that you do not appreciate what the word "beliver' means, or "Islam", or "Muslim". Once you have the definitions right, you will have the answer to the 20/200 ratio and what the Noble Quran is saying, and means by it.
Tarun Arora(India)
February 19, 2013 3:29 am
It is better to be idiot than a fanatic.
February 17, 2013 2:47 pm
February 17, 2013 2:48 pm
FACT: Only two countries were formed from partition on Basis of Religion : PAKISTAN & ISRAEL !!
February 17, 2013 4:39 pm
I think they can go to iran
February 19, 2013 12:43 am
"The Golden Words" have been poven by scholars to be not all from Ali, but added on from time to time.
anonymous indian
February 18, 2013 10:15 pm
I agree 100% with you S.A.M. It comes as a shocker to most Indians that Shias and Sunnis could kill each other. It dosen't happen in India. Yes we do admit in rural areas there have been some incidents of violence against dalits but it's not systematic and is largely due to illiteracy of people in the villages. As for Abbas- slow down in economy does not mean a weak economy unlike Pakistan's. You have external debts (from IMF and World Bank) that even a generation of your's would find impossible to pay back. We in India are not in that situation. Economic slowdown affects creation of new jobs and a large part of it has been the UPA govts. slowdown on reforms when Pranab Mukherjee was the finance minister. He is a socialist at heart and not a capitalist, and so reforms were put at the back burner. Though I must say after Chidambaram took charge last year reforms are back on the table. So in the next couple of years we should be back to 8-9 % growth atleast if not more. As for maoists- they are present only in some of the forest areas in some states. It's genesis is in the rights of the people on the natural resources of their land. They feel they should get some investment in terms of development if the mining companies are using the resources (coal, minerals) from their lands.They are no way comparable to the Islamic extremism problem you are dealing with. Infact there have been reports recently that maoism is waning because even the population in these forest areas are looking for development and not willing to get recruited by the maoists. The UPA's NREGA scheme and other pro-poor schemes implemented over the past 9 years have been slowly bringing development to these maoist areas. We see it more as a law and order problem than an insurgency.
Ms Manjee
February 19, 2013 1:54 am
Your head is stuck too deep in the sand.
February 18, 2013 11:58 pm
In Pakistan, Shia muslims are crossing a maturity barrier and for that they are paying price for that. Enemies doen't like them to grow. Their sacrifice will bring them way above others in their sense of unity, intellect, emotions and most of all serving islam....
February 18, 2013 11:02 pm
Indian using Pakistan media to advocate Pakistan's dismemberment. And Pak Media allowing him the opportunity and freedom to do so. The irony, truth, freedom, and hospitality that is the strength and reality of Pakistan.
February 19, 2013 1:21 am
Again well said. Good observation.
February 18, 2013 7:39 pm
Abbasbhai, I'd love to hear it from you if you were AbbasKarachi. Your motto is - live and let die. Dur beth ke takrire karna bada aasan hai.
Syed Husain
February 18, 2013 10:59 pm
The religious sects in Pakistan had lived in relative harmony for many many years. Suddenly, within the past few years, at the end of the first Afghan war, there is so much hatred. I plead with everyone just to think why is this happening now? Who is sponsoring all of this? Who is financing and supporting this bloodshed among neighbors? I can assure you that It is not India, China, USA or Europe.
A Sunni Friend of Shiaa
February 19, 2013 12:38 am
Shiaas have a strong fundamental precedent in their religion that they don't run away from problems but solve them or fight it and die.
February 19, 2013 5:39 am
No army and no strict rules would solve Karachi carnage of Sunnis and Quetta carnage of Shias unless the root causes of sectrian strife not addressed with just solution. Media should not prove biased by removing honest comments and should not encourage any sect with only one sided killings and mourning. Karachi's two billion population have been made captive, people already facing poverty and malnutrition, this is crime to block roads of Karachi and having sit-in to disturb citizens lives, who do not involve in Shia killings. Further there is need to deploy army in Karachi too and to be brought to justice of blocked roads, burnt buses etc. Why media overlooked all such. Also such vague articles having no solution and only pave the way for mourning are being shown time by time? Karachi carnage is being overlook since years? Several my comments on above article having reason and logic have been removed. Injustice.
Sue Sturgess
February 19, 2013 2:57 am
The answer does not lie in the relocation of Shias, but rather in learning acceptance and tolerance, and accommodating one another's differences. Why do some people feel so threatened just because others do not share the full extent of their religious beliefs.
February 19, 2013 12:31 am
Power hit. Good job. You have set an excellent example for all Pakistanis to fight back at those who come here to encourage schism between brothers and abuse our hospiality provided free to them online by gracious Dawn.
Rog Davis
February 19, 2013 1:48 am
Yes, I am sure you do. Not to mention all the largess you get from the minority appeasing congress government. Nowhere else are a bunch of Muslims treated better then in India. As next of kin of Pakistani terrorists, you get jobs, bank loans, Haj pilgrimage paid by mostly Hindu taxpayers. You show no gratitue to your country of birth. Instead, you and your co-religionists indulge in crime and anti-social activities. You may be happy in India. But are the Hindus happy to have you infest India? I wish my forefathers, upon the partition of India, had the foresight to shove you all into the Land of the Pure. Then you could all dispatch each other to Allah's garden without let or hindrance in Islamic Pakistan.
February 19, 2013 1:28 am
Those are wise and even more powerful verses when read in Arabic. All Muslims please take heed. Thank you for declaring Allah's Command in context. Thank you.
February 19, 2013 1:24 am
Rubbish. I have studied 1971 and interviewed many from many sides. You are wrong on all counts. This different...
Aqil Siddiqi
February 19, 2013 4:15 am
I always liked Mahatma Gandhi, but Nehru is a different story. But, I do agree, that this partition didn't work out for Pakistan.
February 17, 2013 4:44 pm
The two graphs shown in the article remind me of a couplet by a medieval saint-poet .... " Jo doosron ke liye khaayee khodta hai, uske liye kuan taiyaar ho jaata hai". Pakistan seems to have fallen into the pit that it dug for India.
Salman US
February 19, 2013 1:12 am
It is better to run and hide then getting killed by a bomb and blown into thousands of pieces. Genocide of Shias will continue and no one will stop it not PPP govt nor security forces. Mr.Murtaza and wise people like him saw it coming and left for good. Unfortunately your family and mlillions of other Shias did not leave and are now stuck in this slaughter and carnage.
February 19, 2013 1:10 am
@ Saulat: You know what Im talking about brother! This silly Indian invasion on these boards is laughable. This is an internal matter, and if they think they have the slightest idea of what will work in Pakistan, they are gravely mistaken. Pakistan is ours!! Always will be!
Supachai R.
February 18, 2013 9:17 pm
Why the White House. Islamabad is the independent dignified option. Or Zardari house. Unless you are still slave of the Gora and the Yankee. Are you inviting foreign intervention in internal affairs?.
February 19, 2013 1:04 am
He can not but be Shiaa in name only. Shiaas don't surrender at Karbala. Shiaa don't run. Look at Iran's stand off against US-NATO-Israel-Saudi Super Axis of Terror. All Muslims can be proud of Iran. Pakistan can learn from Iran.
February 18, 2013 10:12 pm
Dual citizenshiip is a sham - and no human can truly remain loyal to two countries and more so when the countries are so far apart in racial/political alignments as Canada/UK/USA with Pakistan. If these countries draft their citizens for a fight against Pakistan, will Qadri go with these western countries - if he does, he is dis loyal to Pak and if he does not, he is disloyal to the west where he took oath - and if he can break oath in Canada, he can do so in Pak too. So far as the terrorist issue is concerned - the age old saying - "as you sow, so shall you reap" - if a government promotes terrorism in the name of Jihad - that force is going to come back on that government today or tomorrow or the day after.
February 19, 2013 12:58 am
And the events in India suggest that they were absolutely wrong. And Jinnah was spot on.
February 19, 2013 12:56 am
Exterminate 1.3billion humans beings. I like it Mr. Human. I like it very much. Gas chambers or ovens sir? Machine guns? Nukes? Heil Fuhrer...!
Iqbal a. Malik
February 19, 2013 12:56 am
I think you are too young and you may not remember what happened a few years ago in Ahmadabad. Please let the soul of Gandhi, he may not know that too.
Iqbal a. Malik
February 19, 2013 12:47 am
Do you know the meaning of safe? If you don,t go to ahmadabad they will tell you the real meaning of safe.
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 11:14 pm
showing your true colours..
I am Hazzara
February 18, 2013 11:14 pm
Right sir. You got it right. India is the elephant in the room all are ignoring here, overlooking.
February 18, 2013 11:11 pm
Thousands of Sunnies been killed. No questions asked.
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 11:12 pm
care about your own hate filled society where RSS and Shiv Senna are spreading more hatred. Stop worrying about us. People living in glass houses.....
February 19, 2013 12:03 am
Yes. This THEORY is nothing but a THEORY. It did not work with East Pakistan and it is not working, with whatever is left of this THEORY.
February 19, 2013 12:35 am
Good point. Not hard to figure out that they condone it, and maybe are behind it.
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 11:17 pm
why don't you move to india and find out how you are treated.
February 19, 2013 12:21 am
In Pakistan, everyone claims to be persecuted! so should we invite all pakistanis to India? India will go back by at least 20-30 years economically not to mention the sectarian strife it would cause among muslims in India. Most of the pakistanis are already brainwashed through their education that Hindus are backwards, back-stabbers etc (look up that article by a famous Pakistani professor). Do we want them to come to Indian and start killing non-muslims here? I am sure some kind good hearted muslim country will take all the persecuted shias, hazaras, ahamadis etc. BTW, I am curious to know if the shias supported the law to ban ahamadis and prosecute them if they called themselves "muslims"? :) Wonder how it feels now
Stoooped Guy
February 19, 2013 12:19 am
Logic Guy indeed. Can't tell right from wrong, left from right, apples from oranges. Lolz.
February 19, 2013 12:17 am
Maybe they are behind it. Otherwise they can order the army in.
February 19, 2013 12:13 am
So Waqarbhai, you want India to be property of Hindus only? You better say ''Pakistan belongs to Pakistanis''.
Saquib A.
February 19, 2013 12:07 am
Kashmir is bleeding. Anyone cares?
Jeff G.
February 18, 2013 11:42 pm
According to the Noble Qur'an it is an unforgiveable sin to kill human beings whatsoever except in self-defense. Islam even limits animal sacrifice to the minimum of keeping alive, not overeat and make ones stomach the graveyard of animal meat. A Muslim is to stop eating when hunger is 1/3 solid full, 1/3 water,and 1/3 left empty. To eat to satiation is prohibited. This is how Islam views ALL life. And this is how a MUslim is to behave. Or else you fail as a Muslim.
T Celtic
February 18, 2013 11:59 pm
As you are. Irresponsible provocation at this time.
Anwar Iqbal
February 17, 2013 5:42 pm
Please join a rally on Sunday Feb. 17, 2013, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, in front of the White House, to protest the Shia genocide in Pakistan. The rally will start at 3 pm and end at 6 pm.
ramgopal verma
February 17, 2013 5:43 pm
yes,sunni's also should leave,with only the original inhabiants ( by faith ) should inherit the land
February 17, 2013 5:44 pm
If a nation can be formed for muslims, the present situation demands a separate nation for shias
February 18, 2013 3:48 pm
The mother of trouble is the biased media. There need honesty such comments should not remove that having logic reason and evidence. All such comments removed. Seem news paper favors a group.
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 11:27 pm
Its seems to be all about the market. Write a positive article about Pakistan and there are hardly a few comments (readers). Write something negative and it will be swamped by those across the border as bees to honey. Not a difficult choice on what sells for someone devoid of self respect .
February 19, 2013 2:39 am
February 18, 2013 11:47 pm
False. Not so. Untrue.
February 18, 2013 11:24 pm
The Qur'an is free from contradictions, unlike all other scriptures written by men.
February 18, 2013 11:22 pm
Dear Zain Raza, Pleaase take your son to a country where you see his best future but do not take funeral parade of 100/80 dead bodies on the road. Cashing causalities on the road is not within Islamic jurisdiction. You are putting Balouchistan in a bad stake and we will die for our country. Not happy leave Pakistan.
February 18, 2013 11:09 pm
Mansoor Ali please leave for India OR be just a good muslim, a good human, at least be a good shia, sorry. Look U want turn Pakistan like Iraq. Shias are acting like Ahmedi/
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 10:59 pm
So massacre of two thousand muslims in Gujrat or thousands of Sikhs in Punjab by Hindu mobs was just a periodic riot and is acceptable but killing of a couple of hundred shias by terrorists in pakistan (not ordinary citizens as is usually the case in india) is a tragedy which nullifies two nation theory. Amazes me how irrational people can be when they need to jsutify their own hatred.
February 18, 2013 10:49 pm
Defective logic.
Iqbal a. Malik
February 19, 2013 12:44 am
I don't know what you have in your mind, but I would like to remind you that they are still not as bad as what the Hindus have done with the Muslims in Ahmedabad. At least our government is not part of it. We still and always will remember what Hindus have done with the baberi masjid.
February 18, 2013 10:47 pm
Please stay out our homes. Your are not welcome.
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 10:46 pm
That is the self serving propoganda in non muslim media and societies. Is killing of millions of innocent mulims in Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq, Chechnya, Bosnia, etc. also taught in non muslim world.
February 18, 2013 10:29 pm
Once all the Shias are migrated for good, the Sunnis will find another monotiry to kill. Once they too are gone or vanished, they will kill amongst themselves. The only solution is to humanitize the majority through pure Islam, not the mullah-Islam.
February 18, 2013 10:37 pm
The word "Infidel" is not in the Quran. Muslims never use it. It was invented by the invading Crusaders over a thosand years ago. Current Westren propaganda machine has resurrected it. Muslims are ill adviced to perputate this meme. The Quran accepts Christians and Jews as the "People of the Book" with respect. It calls the Pagan "Unbeliver" or "Kafir"---one who hides the truth. It is always better to know the source and meaning of words...avoids much misunderstandings.
February 19, 2013 12:36 am
Totally agree, Srilanka did. Musharraf tried.
February 19, 2013 6:04 am
As a minority I prefer to live in an Non-Islamic state rather than this Islamic Republic Pakistan
February 18, 2013 10:10 pm
The Law of the Jungle is Nature's brutal law. Civilization thrived by curbing it with humane concepts as Allah recommends.
February 18, 2013 10:06 pm
All Muslims should follow Muhammad who died a Sovereign: Loved, cherished, peacefuly with family, friends, followers lovingly around him, with his head resting in his wife's hands, on her lap. He was Monarch of all he surveyed. In life and in death. Ali made enemies. Ali was murdered in cold blood. Please carry balm, bandages, condolences, and tears at this time...not ignite further acrimony, animosity, and schism. Your are not being helpful with your emotional loaded uninformed rants. You have no idea what you say, imply, and condone, and suggest.
Omer Mallhi (@omermallhi)
February 18, 2013 9:39 pm
Irony is the fact that Pakistan struggle was based on the idea of salvaging minority rights.......I feel mad and helpless at the same time.
February 18, 2013 9:39 pm
Indian media hides its atrocities. Pak media highlights even every small failing so that it can be fixed.
February 18, 2013 9:41 pm
All these troubles started after 9-11. Any connection?
February 18, 2013 9:35 pm
Indian hoping. But Pakistan is here to stay.
February 18, 2013 9:05 pm
Sorry - it is not true that majority of Muslims in India are Shia. This is true only in and around Lucknow.
February 17, 2013 4:14 pm
"even the Israeli General admit they can not defeat." but still nobody could defeat Israel till date. :P living in the state of superiority as well as inferiority complex simultaneously- you are awesome Mr. abbastoronto !! even an ostrich burying his head in sand would be better than you !!!
Munzir Naqvi
February 18, 2013 9:20 pm
I belong to the Shia and I strongly disagree. Yes the times are very tragic in Pakistan, but it is up to us Shias to politicize for the future of Pakistan. Yes, your stats and figures are troubling. Yes, the security situation for Shias nor for anyone else, including the majority sect is troubling. Having said that, there are over 40 Million Shias in Pakistan. For 40 million to simply leave, is not the solution. Shias can not run away from problems, we must confront and counter them. Same goes for all of Pakistan. The only credible politician that has spoken up for the Shias has been Imran Khan, a Sunni. I have been following Imran Khan for a long time and out of all the national politicians, he has been the most vocal. Pakistan needs new leadership to deal with the troubling situation and only a credible leadership that has a following among the masses can deal with the situation on hand. It is not time for Shias to leave Pakistan, it is time for us to politicize, vote, and confront the challenges that not only face us, but face all of Pakistan.
Muhammad, NY
February 19, 2013 3:25 am
I mean from India.
February 18, 2013 9:08 pm
This is not easy. The level of illitracy and poverty among Shias of Pakistan will be restricting them from leaving the country. The Gulf is full with their enemies and West has strict rules for immigration. Iran is not a likely shore because of its egoistic clash with the rest of the world. So I don't think running away is possible for all. I think they should grow their incisors and the wolves will turn back. Or at least will be bitten back.
February 19, 2013 12:01 am
Religion. Unfortunately, religion has no 'safety valves'.
February 18, 2013 2:43 pm
No! Thanks! Be safe in pakista n!
February 18, 2013 9:28 pm
He is in error. You organize and fight corruption and criminals with help from the government and justice system. You don't give up your home and run from crime. All Sunnies should stand with the Shiaas and fight the criminals by all legal means.
February 18, 2013 7:59 am
Power Vacuum!!!.
February 19, 2013 5:12 am
Well written Capri. Please understand that the Sunni-Shia conflict in our country is not a natural conflict but one that has been instigated by third parties. The strife in Pakistan has been artificially generated to keep the masses occupied in their struggles. Who, you ask, is the instigator and why? Well that's the million dollar question. Firstly, it is our politicians who do nothing to stop this nonsense, so that they can quietly loot the country while they are in power and while the entire nation is more worried about getting blown to bits by the next suicide attack and angry at sunni's or shia's as teh case may be. Beyond the local politicians are the foreign agencies at work who want to keep control over not only the strategic location of Pakistan but also it's abundant natural resources. It is they who have installed governments whose only agenda is to pillage the country and stay quiet. The media is a big player in keeping this ship unstable by overstating the problems to sell more news and also to keep their masters happy.
M Akram
February 18, 2013 7:24 pm
Sir, you are right, Pakistan now belongs to choars, thieves of national wealth...and people who blow up childrens schools and who shoot at little innocent girls. For What!
February 18, 2013 8:41 pm
This is sad, where ever innocent people are killed, it becomes a challenge for the whole humanity. Pakistan is becoming like Iran in 1500 century when not a single sunni was allowed to live they had to accept shiaism or accept death. We should understand that we are all creation of same God and Adam's children.
February 18, 2013 8:43 am
Javed Bhai I am really proud of you. You have spoken the truth
February 18, 2013 8:39 pm
'Fought for Pakistan's inception'!? Pakistan was granted within 7 years of declaring the need for it in 1940 by Muslim League. No country has ever been created in such a short span & with so little struggle for making the leaving party(British) agree.
February 18, 2013 11:42 am
People like you and No hope are actually are the only hope for Muslims. People will have to forget that they are muslim and start behaving like a human being. People will have to support other people based on their qualities irrespective of their sect or religion and not because they are Muslims.
Mati ullah
February 18, 2013 2:59 pm
I am agree with most part of the article but the conclusion of the article about seeking asylum in other parts of pakistan and abroad is not true because that is what killers of hazaras want. hazaras are only barrier between Talibans who can any time wish to infiltrate into Iran at any like they did against soviet union. That's the reason hazaras are being subjected to genocide. its worth mentioning here that our government, security establishment and so called free judiciary is silent, its a reek of their involvement in the current scenario as they had been doing such acts in history for their mom dad.
February 18, 2013 2:51 pm
Mr. Anonymous: This means you have not seen any thing. Whose grave yards are these? Ali Bagh, Bagh-e-Haideri, Wadi-us-Salam, Khurasan Bagh, Jannat-ul-Baqi, to name only a few in Karachi. Note that Ali Bagh was there since early forties. It is true there several common grave yards every where in Pakistan, but the author's point was not that there are not enough grave sites but rather, that the killing is very rampant. Although, one should understand that even one killing of an innocent person is one too many! According to your point of view, if there are enough grave sites then people should go on killing people and conversely, if there are not enough, then God should stop the natural deaths? Also, what does the author's religious association got to do with the contents of the article? The author describes the current state of affairs in PAKISTAN. Do you disagree with his assessment?
February 18, 2013 1:18 pm
As I heard Pakistan is more strategically located, naturally rich country. Why don't people let live such a beautiful life peacefully.
M Akram
February 18, 2013 5:35 pm
Why should anyone leave Pakistan? People who committed this in-human crime against men, women, children, young and old Pakistani Muslims, we know who they are, Government should find them LeJ and their supporters, as guilty by association, and every single one of them should be put to sword. My grandparents gave their lives for a Pakistan for everyone to live in and not for these green eyed monsters from heaven who think they "owns" Islam or at least their version of it.
February 18, 2013 5:35 pm
Well said
Tarun Arora
February 18, 2013 12:58 pm
Very true.Now not possible to welcome/invite any body,who considers himself to be a muslim.
February 18, 2013 1:06 pm
Shawn, your government and officials are busy arranging security for Sharukh Khan. Do they care for your own people?
(Dr.) B.N. Anand
February 18, 2013 1:05 pm
Sir,Quid-e-Azam must be restless even in his grave to see the Pakistan of his dream has after all not been a safe place for people of even his own belief, what to speak they wouls have been otherwise vulnerable to Hindus if he had not insisted on partition. His dreams remain shattered because of the plight of Shias in his country of dream. All the more when theAuthor suggests Pakistan govt. should plead with Shia majority countries to let Pakistani Shias remain in exile in those countries. That is an extreme thinking but forced to do so because of circumstances. The same is true in Iraq where Shias and Sunnis are dying in thousands. Was n't it a mistake to make Pakistan an Islamic country? In a secular Pakistan what to speak of Shias , Sunnis and Ahmediyas, all the people of every faith would have lived peacefully. It surely calls for introspection.
Tarun Arora
February 18, 2013 12:55 pm
Have you forgot Mr.Jinnah(who was also Shia).Now inviting shias is no solution,dear.Many more leaders like Jinnah will emerge in due course of time,with further partitions of India. So beware before you think or talk.
Vaibhav Mansoor Ali
February 18, 2013 11:44 am
In india, majority of the muslims are shias and as a shia, I feel more safe in India than in Pakistan today.
February 18, 2013 8:36 pm
We condemn killers but do not recognise hands behind it.Today it has become evdient more than ever that Nawaz Sharif, Fazul Rehman, Some major Generals of Army are supporting this murderous support of Lashakre Jhangvi, Sipae Sahaba and Taliban within Pakistan along with Saudi money, and promoting US Policy of weakening Paksitan through division, hatred. America is invloved in Pakistan by using Ziaul Haq and its leftover friends and destroying day by day...
February 18, 2013 2:41 pm
this is what called self destruction...
Abdul Hasan
February 18, 2013 8:35 pm
and sir, where do you expect these 50 odd million shias to go? Maybe 50,000 will get asylum abroad, What about 49.95 million of them in Pakistan?
February 18, 2013 2:44 pm
By "links between" I meant "urls on" the subject. Religions are intrinsically tied to economy. Apologies.
February 18, 2013 8:01 pm
In the country that was created as a safe haven for Muslims of the subcontinent, the pious Momeen die glorious and exciting deaths of the suicide bomber whose body parts gets scattered all over the marketplace, or the exciting death of the mujahid fried by the drone in FATA, or the momeen made shaheed in inter-sectarian killings. Contrast this with Muslims of India who die boring deaths from natural causes like disease and old age. Pakistan is a happening place while India is very boring for the Muslims.
February 18, 2013 8:04 am
Very well expressed Mr. Abbas.BTW, has anyone heard about pluralism and diversity?
Arsalan Kashfi
February 18, 2013 9:15 am
Shia killings in Quetta or in any other city/area are simply condemnable but to declare that Sunni extremists, aligned with Al-Qaeda and Taliban, are doing this makes no sense at all. We need to look in to the matter with unbiased and rationale approach. I am still astonished about today’s activists raising their voices for Hazara Community of Balochistan who were simply quiet on genocide of inhabitants of Gilgit Baltistan under Suni-Shia conflict in very near past. Most of the Pakistanis have no clue of the said conflict where thousands of innocents were brutally killed. Two wrongs don’t make the right, but to avoid one area in order to highlight the other one makes the situation worse than ever. Without igniting the problem as Suni-Shia conflict, we the Pakistanis, must advocate justice for all without marking it only for Sunis or Shias or any other sect/tribe. Law & order is the issue of every Pakistani national whether he/she is a Suni of Jhang or is a Shia of Quetta/Gilgit. So please during protests raise your vices for peace in Baluchistan and Pakistan and avoid promoting it as target killing of Shias or Sunis because such an attitude will intensify the polarization in our society which is not a solution in any way.
Syed Zafar
February 18, 2013 3:57 pm
Good research, I wish the sources were also revealed. Where would Shias or other minorities go? Can the writer help setup a country where all Shias can migrate to? Or does the writer suggests that like the Jews a new homeland for Shias be found? Why not scale down the activities Shias involve themselves in, We must try to assimilate with the main stream society. I believe that this is not an internal divide and the writer is naively playing a foreign tune. An Iraqi friend of mine was astonished to hear the Shia Sunni divide in Iraq when it was first reported after American invasion of that country and since then whole country has been divided in sectarian regions. Who knows where these religious parties are getting their ammunition from, who is paying their wages.
February 18, 2013 7:58 am
and i just heard that a very highly respected shia doctor and his son in lahore were shot dead in their car on the way to school this morning. the older son, my student was fortunately not with them, nor the young wife and baby. i know them well, as well as their sister, a colleague and her family. if they want to leave, i will help them pack.
February 18, 2013 7:48 pm
Government should be taken action why they were not give any action because every time killed Innocent people die day by day .i think if goverment not any solution any people so please get down chair and take side.
February 18, 2013 8:49 am
We in India simply cannot understand this craziness in Pakistan of Sunnis and Shias clobbering each other to death and so on. Maybe its the freedom to think and question among us Hindus that make us what we are, a diverse range of people with divergent thinking even within the Hindu fold . We Hindus don't have one major phisophy but dozens of them, even sub philosophies and different ways of thinking and traditions and customs , yet we peacefully coexist and DO NOT KILL the other groups whose thinking is different to their own. The only flare ups may be caste related, in rural areas between members of lower castes etc, NOT on religious philosophies. That's why we believe we are the most tolerant nation/religion on earth, and if you look closely at the history of the Indian subcontinent, you will observe that at various points in history India has sagely welcomed every religion in the world with open arms ( the Jews, the Parsis for example, found a home here on petsecution by muslims centuries ago) and these people have all happily Integrated over the centuries with NO threat from majority Hindus. We believe that there are many paths to god, so when there are more faiths and religions wanting a safe haven among us, we happily accommodate them. Thsts how easy it is for a Hindu to accept pther faiths! So there you have a multi religious state of India today, quite a model for the rest of the world. Incidentally, I have not heard of Sunnis and Shias conflicts here in India , I have many friends of both sects here in Bangalore, not once have I heard them share a conflicting thought and now more than ever, are openly expressing the opinion that they are so thankful to their grandparents for not having chosen to cross over during partition!
February 18, 2013 8:29 am
Mr.Murtaza Haider;let me quote some words of the Quaid spoken on 11th Aug 1947 ;"We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State." Our founder has clearly outlined about how to live in a country where it has many different religions ,societies etc.I believe that right now we need reformers and good leaders to reform our society and lead our country.Unfortunately our country has been plagued by extremists and not reformers and by politicians and not leaders.The only thing to be done is as a nation we should realize this question ; Are we ourselves doing something about our country or have become an expectant nation waiting for man-o-salwa to be provided for us? If we are a failed state destined to doom then the best thing is to follow your advice and run away and leave the other countrymen to perish OR struggle and fight back to claim our human rights. The choice belongs to the nation????????
February 18, 2013 3:40 pm
We left Quaid's behind us many decades ago. Now we have an Islamic militant Pakistan. I do not think we will ever be able to turn the clock back.
February 18, 2013 8:09 am
Two Nation theory will always be valid , as we see what is the state of affairs of Indian Muslims , we are still much much better than them .. thanks to allah almighty please do not be concerned of our internal issue we will sort them out .
February 18, 2013 7:59 am
the solution is for your country and for whole country is very very and very simple "make this world muslim free" means no muslims need in this world thats it. because they cant live peaceful any where.
February 18, 2013 8:02 am
seperate state / country for Hazara might be practical solution. Very difficult to implement as the voices of Shias are weak in pakistan.
K G Surendran
February 18, 2013 7:47 am
Mahatma Gandhi and other Congress leaders were opposed to the two nation theory and it seems from events in Pakistan their assessment over 80 years back was absolutely correct.
February 18, 2013 7:48 am
Two nation theory was relevant at the time of Pakistan's inception. It was a time when muslims fought against impossible circumstances to forge a muslim nation. However, we forgot those lessons within a decade of independence and are struggling since then. We have reaped militancy for the last 10 years by opening our borders to the War on Terror. The only drawback is that it has now become a 'War on civilians.' The Shia genocide is deplorable but is there a coincidence that Southern Pakistan i.e. Karachi, Quetta, Interior Sindh and Balochistan have become destabilized at the same point in time. History has little sufferance for coincidence and more so for those who ignore the truth.
February 18, 2013 7:44 am
we are our own enemies first.
Shazia Rubab Hussain
February 18, 2013 7:43 am
Wow...what an advice....and coming from a shia, it seems like you are sprinkling salt on our wounds. Instead of advising those in power to put an end to this genocide and to control the extremists who don't want peace in Pakistan, you are advising us to run and hide. It is easy for you to say, since you have already relocated yourself to a much safer place, Mr. Haider. Please enjoy your peaceful, luxurious life and let the Shias live where they belong.....because if they leave, sunnis (who have always lived in peace with shias) will be the next target and before you know it, Paksitan will be ruled by Taliban.
Faraz Paracha
February 18, 2013 7:42 am
I agree, they should leave Pakistan for good and migrate to Iran, may be.
February 18, 2013 7:41 am
but PAK is not secular, its a islamic republic.
February 18, 2013 9:39 am
Don't forget north and south Sudan and see how well they would fare in the future and see which one will survive
February 18, 2013 7:29 am
In every sentence if you take the name of the Lord .. That goes hand in hand with Violence... (Don't say no, because there is some connection somehere which is like an invisible thread). Religion in moderation. Instead what is being caused by all the overdose of religion in your life is the pure color of blood and violence. Vitamins and protiens are needed by the mind to some extent. Too much of vitamins can also be toxic. Be practical. Don't bring religion and name of allah in every aspect of your life. Religion in excess can destroy a society. Instead of doing Namaz 5 times, if you skip it for 2 days - you will not go to hell. In fact your nation's blood may stop flowing. You just have to dilute it a bit. That purity is proving to be pure poison . Some Hindus do it too - but those religious bigots are not holding the reins to the power. Islam is a beautiful religion , when practiced like any other religion - i.e. in moderation, which is the Pakistani style And surely Pakistanis have showed they are talented in every respect - be it sports, business etc. The Dawn newspaper is much more elegant (its website) than *any* Indian website. In Pakistan, the keys to the kingdom are already in the hands of the Mullahs and their talibs - the religious destroyers of your society. The silent majority which is intelligent, moderate and sensible is powerless. But there is one more choice to be taken. You moderates can take yet another fateful decision and say that "Kashmir and India is the root of all our troubles". I believe it could be just another way of feeding the same blood-thirsty monsters.. and the story continues. Frankly , Indians are idiots, mostly , when it comes to bargaining. Playing smart games, the chess moves, how to manipulate the international press - Pakistanis are better at that, any day. Why do I say that - because Indians have so far made a poor argument on Kashmir. There is no reason for India to be defensive on that matter. I may be wrong on that last count. But then why did my 80-year old grandma chant a 400 year old Hindu mantra that had references to Kashmir ?
February 18, 2013 5:14 am
India has peace. Pakistan has freedom - yes, even freedom to kill, and to defend yourself. One day of freedom is better than a life without it. Live free or die.
February 18, 2013 7:14 am
All Shia come to India...
February 18, 2013 7:07 am
"Had Mr. Haider taken Management 101, Economics 101, Systems Theory 101, Evolution 101, and especially Islamic History 101, his piece would have had a realistic and positive tone." Nothing in the world can predict events in an Islamic country.The above courses are useful and applicable only to non-islamic countries where reason prevails. "The Quran [8:65] promises that 20 Believer will overcome 200 infidels." This is possible with knowledge, conviction and good deeds and if infidels have commonsense..But 99% of muslims think that this is done through swords just as they tried to do it in the past.Quetta is the best example.At the moment 20 shia believers cannot do much against infidels.
February 18, 2013 7:04 am
Dears, I agree to both of you partially. Having tried to study the dynamics of partition objectively (to the extent possible), i do not find the basis of two nation theory disagreeable. What went wrong was that interpretation of the theory was taken over by those who believe in kind of extremist version of what they call Islam. It all sound very mythical when we hear someone say that Islam is a religion of peace, but that is how it has been. I belong to Shia community. But i still feel that two nation theory is not at fault, it is the ones who have taken it over. and these elements are now everywhere, in all institutions of state and society.
February 18, 2013 6:57 am
Pakistan is an important nation to decide future of muslims. There are 2 paths to go, kill all non muslims and then all shias, and then all girls who go for education, and then all men who dont have beard, and then....the list is endless OR keep religion in your heart, make it a thing for 'self' and not outsiders. Mix with other religions, have them as neighbourse, be the source of love rather than aggression. The first one will create a 'living hell' on earth, the second one will create a heaven. Choice is yours. Next time someone invites you for violence in the name of Israel, Kashmir, or whatever, think twice...rather spend energy on your education, kids education.
Krish Chennai
February 18, 2013 6:48 am
Yes, it would also be true to say, it is a scary situation for India, unless Pakistanis learn to be at peace with themselves, too, which is what comes first.
February 18, 2013 3:28 pm
Context: Something that happened over 1,400 years ago. Muslims need to decide whether Quran is an operating manual for all times to come - in which there is no need to contextualize, or it is a sources of guidance - and therefore requires a continuous reinterpretation to make the Text relevant to the context, but that will never happen as the Muslims do not have the willingness or the ability for such a change.
February 18, 2013 6:37 am
I quite agree with Dr. Haider's views.Why Muslims should kill Muslims , or for that matter any minority ? I am a Hindu from India and wish everybody in Pakistan peace and prosperity... Kashinath
February 18, 2013 6:36 am
Read most the comments and went through this Article in quite much details. Couple of years back I also was like most of the readers and was against fleeing Pakistan for my safety but now things have turned to some extreme. Running is not the solution but sometimes it is the only option. If the Shia community does not seriously think about migrating to somewhere safer, this country may land up in a state of SERIOUS civil war, which eventually is the plan of the security agencies or who ever is the cause of these attacks. It is pretty obvious though that Shias and Sunnis are not fighting amongst each other, it is a one sided attack by a THIRD force to push them so much against the wall that they react in a manner in which will be unstoppable. There are only 2 ways out of this practically speaking. Either Live and Fight this 3rd Terror and go totally rebel against the Govt for not providing any sort of security and make this the next Syria OR leave quietly and live to fight another day ...
February 18, 2013 3:25 pm
LOL Where I live these days in America the murder rate is 5 times that in Karachi - 500 per million to 100 per million. Last summer we were held at gun-point at a gas station while driving a colleague to airport. Has not happened to me in Pakistan yet. Coming to Karachi would be a picnic. It happens often, sometimes 6 times a year. Yes, Toronto is peaceful, but boring. Life is free in America, just like in Pakistan.
February 18, 2013 3:24 pm
Are you sure what have you said about? I think you're completely oblivious about the centuries which had been ruled by Muslim, peacefully. What we are made to see is just latent plans and conspiracy, yonder the reach of our apprehensions. Remember, no Muslim can harm other Muslims.
krishna prasad
February 18, 2013 7:20 pm
Pakistan created such a trouble for this family, Shias in Pakistan (if they can afford) would leave for Canada for better quality of life. Even in India, highly educated people leave the country in search of better avenues in life though they don't get to hate India which is their motherland...In Pakistan, these Shias hate having settled within Pakistan at/after partition... I hope you realize the issue here.
February 18, 2013 3:21 pm
The Imam promoted sectarian harmony as none other.
February 18, 2013 3:19 pm
Salam from Dearborn MI Mr. Haider a shia? A shia of whom? The Shia of Ali never run away. They seek the heart of the battle. Many Shia here are seriously thinking of going back. Wassalam
February 18, 2013 7:16 pm
Sorry, Shias are not welcome in India.
February 18, 2013 6:14 am
Indian HIndu, Did you jump the gun and spoke too early?? You might have to bite your tongue.
February 18, 2013 6:15 am
I would like to ask ,Who is killing the shias in Iraq, And the sunnis in Syria , Its the new world order Mr Murtaza, Its nothing between us PAKISTANIS.
February 18, 2013 7:10 pm
Faridoon Let’s be Humans,Muslims and Pakistanis before we are Shia, Sunni or anything else
February 18, 2013 6:13 am
Try broadening your approach to the problem. ask why should any one whether it is Shias or any other religion leave Pakistan after all they are humans. because if you start dividing it will only end with the last men in Pakistan.
February 18, 2013 6:10 am
Soon after the revolution of Iran, Ayotullah Khomeni vowed to export his revolution to the other Muslim countries. His announcement was followed by Iranian backed intervension in the Muslim countries. That intervension naturally led to a sectarian war in Pakistan.
February 18, 2013 6:04 am
Well you have declared them heretics and "wazib-ul-katl" where does the hadith come in picture. You see its all so convenient.
February 18, 2013 6:01 am
Pak is repeating the same mistakes it did in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan).The same consequences will follow and India will get the blame.
Yousuf Ahmad
February 19, 2013 6:16 am
Good for you. May Allah be with you.
February 18, 2013 5:59 am
I seriously question the religious association and intent of the author. As far as I have seen it in Pakistan, Shias do not have separate graveyards.
February 18, 2013 5:57 am
Both articles points to the same truth.Message ( Don't be a victim always ) Which planet are you from ? No weather forecast there ??
Ali Kamal
February 19, 2013 6:13 am
Thank you Mr. Jinnah.
Yousuf Ahmad
February 19, 2013 6:14 am
It is people like you who add fuel to fire. What you forget to mention is that "absolute" majority of Sunni's have deplored this inhuman attack (I would have loved to use the word Pakistani - but I think you won't understand). Our nation is under threat with over 40,000 peolpe losing their valuable lives in the last few years ( sorry, but majority of them being Sunni). People like you ofcourse should leave (as you have already left..), but I am sure that "WE" Pakistanis will come over this ghastly phase of our lives and live in peace and harmony. We need strong leadership that who can implement the rule of law and punish these demons. I could add a bit more, but at the moment it will only create controversy
February 18, 2013 5:52 am
Very well written ! I'll copy paste this on my facebook.
February 18, 2013 5:50 am
BTW, do you support ethnic cleansing as it has happened in kashmir.
February 18, 2013 2:22 pm
Mr Haider, Shias moving from Peshawar and Quetta to Karachi and Lahore is only a temporary solution. I remember Dr Maulana Azad's famous words during partition days - 'they cannot kill 80M Muslims.' So Shias and other minorities must unite and take a stand. In Malaysia, a while back, the Chinese and Hindu minorities retaliated against destruction of their temples and statues by Muslim youth charged-up by Mullahs. The destruction stopped.
February 18, 2013 5:11 pm
In this world everyone stands for themselves, except for pakistanis who stand for the muslims of the world and neglect their own. Remember charity starts at home.
February 18, 2013 5:14 pm
February 18, 2013 2:12 pm
GO to Iran or you are are welcome to India.
Himanshu Pandey
February 18, 2013 7:00 pm
as an atheist i will fight for ones right to believe in any delusion they wish to, as long as they keep it to themselves...but people need to understand that religion is the root of intolerance...the world would be a better place without religion...but not all people are capable of rationality, and require some supernatural entity to compensate for their lack of logic. so i will respect ones choice to believe in religion, but i don't respect religion.
February 18, 2013 7:26 pm
Shias should unite with sunnis on the basis of common believe between Shia and Sunni. One Allah, and the last Prophet and messenger Muhammad ( peace be upon him). Let us all agree the religions of Prohpet Muhammad during his 23 years life is our common religion, Islam. Let us not overdo the other differences. Differences exist among sunnis also, but sunni unite better with other kind of sunnis on the basis of jthe common belief, Allah and rasool in his 23 years, the religion of the the prophet is our common belief. Let us not become forces of divisiveness. Let us not encourage forces of divisivenss. Let Muslims unite to please Allah, and get his mercy, after we die as Muslims.
February 18, 2013 6:59 pm
well said
February 18, 2013 5:36 am
Very good reply and very insightful in its predictions. I agree. we need to have a stronger Shia community which leads the way to liberal and secularized society with a moderate Islamic political hue.
February 18, 2013 5:35 am
Well understanding Narrated by a human, What can I say ? don't know who's is to blamed ? Why did it happen ? Why don't we all live in HARMONY ? Make a world a better place to live , wherein god has created so many beautiful things for us to See, Breath, Eat, Enjoy, In Pak why r u all hell bent on destroying the beautiful creation of God ? For whom ? who is going to live to see ?
February 18, 2013 5:33 am
There is nothing in his statement that says that he hates anyone. Where are you coming from, accusing him of what he has not said...only a possible solution was offered by him, nothing more. Perhaps you need to look at your own motives coming here with false accusations.
February 18, 2013 2:05 pm
India has always opened her arms for the prosecuted people. There is no reason why India should change now. We have accepted Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs in our fold. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't extend the same courtesy towards other prosecuted communities. Shias, where ever they go are generally hard working and honest people. Their inclusion in India will only contribute to our economy and country.
February 18, 2013 5:27 am
He should also write about the brutal truth in Kashmir.
PPP Okay
February 18, 2013 5:26 am
When majority is killed as happens more and more often in Pakistan, no one seems to notice or cpmplain.
Ms Manjee
February 18, 2013 2:00 pm
You know, your comment sound like you want them to leave, and are sad that they are not. Have a heart man!!
February 17, 2013 8:04 pm
so mr. abbastoronto, what are you really trying to say????
February 18, 2013 5:23 am
though the offer appears very generous, please dont interfere in our internal matters. We will stand up against such barbarity. We will defeat this fanatics. but it ihas to be WE and not YOU
Qamber Ali
February 18, 2013 5:21 am
easy said while sitting in toranto
February 18, 2013 5:20 am
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 6:15 pm
If all Pakistanis saw themselves as citizens of the nation there could be a solution. Most people are putting their own interests first, not just the leadership. People are imagining law and order where it does not exist.
Vijay K
February 17, 2013 2:50 pm
This is a heart wrenching article. Relocating to Shia dominated areas will isolate the Shias further and seeking asylum elsewhere will disrupt hundreds of thousands of lives as happened during partition. Eventually, it has to be a secular, democratic form of government which will save Pakistan, though that challenges the two nation theory.
February 18, 2013 1:54 pm
democracy is the best revenge. i guess we are the victims
February 18, 2013 1:22 pm
What nonsence.
February 18, 2013 2:45 am
Where is the Government and what are they doing?
February 18, 2013 2:49 am
I agree with you 100%
February 18, 2013 5:15 am
I think the good professor is simply trying to provoke debate.
February 18, 2013 1:52 pm
shame on us for killing our own brothers. no one is safe in Pakistan yet everyone is in a slumber hoping against hope that the fire will not burn them. our habit of sweeping the dust under the carpet will simply not work out this time. today a 12 year old student of seventh grade from Aitchison college Lahore was brutally killed along with his father, his crime was to belong to a Shia family. first learn to be a human before calling yourselves Muslims. disgusted to the bone
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 5:51 pm
That was cold.
February 18, 2013 6:43 pm
a transparent government which is capable and sincere to national interests not to western interests seeking. can bring change, Baluchistan CM or governor rule cannot change the situation we are in much much more in deeper crisis now which previous gov and this one both are responsible for allowing foreign funded agents in our country without any check and balance on them. We sold our country’s interests for 1.5 billion US dollar a year and the result is there. A gov elected by NRO cannot bring change. May G-d save the dear homeland by getting rid of these western puppets
February 17, 2013 4:17 pm
Two nation theory was never relevant raja, it was just a mask for these power hungry wolf's to drink the blood of poor muslim brothers in the subcontinent. The tragedy is these wolf's are not bothered about the killings & human rights violation's in their backyard, but very much concerned about what's happening in the so-called muslim world.. what a joke.. wake up pakistan before your blood is fully drained by these wolf's in the mask of politicians, terrorist, hardline religious leaders, army..
Rajeev Nidumolu
February 17, 2013 5:48 pm
Societies which are undergoing economic crisis indulge in blame game and scapegoat against neighbors and minorities . Pew research report August 9th, 2012 states that survey indicates that only 53% of Pakistanis accept Shias as Muslims.
February 18, 2013 9:35 am
make your own country inside pakistan you shia are not coward...
February 18, 2013 9:34 am
Its better to give a new land inside Pakistan as country to live shias
February 18, 2013 5:03 am
Don't blame him. Its his Indian education. In their prejudice and hate they can't tell the difference between apples and oranges.
February 18, 2013 5:07 am
All is well?
February 17, 2013 11:18 pm
You are trying to pretend as of Sunnis are just saints...But the statistics of death within last 1 month is proving otherwise....
Himanshu Pandey
February 18, 2013 6:38 pm
Religion is not something you choose its inherited.I have no ill-will towards any religion nor any religion has my greatest respect.Its a matter of personal choice please stop preaching that to others.Sooner or later all the religions will perish because it will not be required anymore.Get educated,stop killing in name of religion and live in peace.
February 18, 2013 5:01 am
There already is one.
February 18, 2013 5:00 am
Perhaps you need to read his artile again...without prejudice and closed mind.
February 18, 2013 2:32 pm
Please understand that religious brother hood words when your brother is in a remote place.. First all should love their country men irrespective of religion!
February 18, 2013 4:58 am
Allah forbids sectarianism in Islam in the following verses: "As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou has no part in them in the least...." (6:159). In another verse of the Holy Quran Allah says: And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. (3.103). What we see today Muslims are divided into groups of Sunni, Shia, Ahle-Hadith, Ahle-Fiqah, Ahle-Quran, Hanfi, Shafi, Malki, Hanbli, Deobandi, Barailwi, Ahmadi and many more. We are seeing the results of sectarianism that started just after the death of the Holy Prophet. Those who started the groups will be judged by Allah on the day of judgment. However division of Muslims in groups does not give right to one group to wage war against another group just because they are in separate group.
February 18, 2013 2:31 pm
@Jawed Nawvi... the profound literary columnist. Your views please
Riaz (USA)
February 18, 2013 4:50 am
are you trying to justify the killing of shias. i think you missed completly the point of this article. it is about killing of innocent people no matter if they are uneducated, not united, voting, etc......
February 18, 2013 4:51 am
Only a separate country for all Shias of Pakistan if they want their survival, otherwise genocide and bloodshed will destroy them. Ali Hyder
February 18, 2013 4:52 am
Dear Waseem, I understand your sentiments...but can you tell me how you will achieve victory over these hate mongers/terrorists? And when in the future do you expect this to happen?...after may be a hundred years when they will be mature enough to understand that what they are following is not Islam?...when only a handful of minority people will be left in Pakistan? Mr Murtaza has mentioned that he knows he is being pessimistic....and there are reasons for that. If shias don't leave the country...there can be only two possibilities in near future....1) All shias will be wiped out of the land or 2)shias will end up picking up arms...which may not happen. Third possibility which you are dreaming about(victory over these forces) has no existence in near future....and if at all it has an existence in distance future...there will be no shias left to rejoice by that time! By the way...sit quietly and think over these two facts related to your own statements. 1) "The country belongs to both of us...sunnis and shias" much as it belongs to other minorities like hindus and christens...who are being wiped away quietly. No one cares. 2) "We, Sunnis and Shias, have been living here in peaceful manner for centuries"....We were living together peacefully for centuries before partition as well...!!
February 18, 2013 4:48 am
that was a certainly an awesome reply !
February 18, 2013 4:41 am
We should NOT forget the concept of "Human Migration". Its a simple concept, whenever people feel insecure as a nation, the nation migrates towards a peaceful place. Same happend in 1947 and it will happen very soon in Pakistan. I agree with Haider. Its the time to Leave, to save the generation. Nothing left, except frustration and fear!!
February 19, 2013 5:51 am
Did you ever read the two nation theory ???
February 18, 2013 4:37 am
Hold the gun!
February 18, 2013 4:39 am
My grandfather used to say the same things during 1947, when MoahmedAli Jinnah raised two nation theory. Good luck.
February 19, 2013 5:49 am
Most biased writer I have ever seen. GO to Iran and see that they donot allow masjid for sunnis to be built. Sunnis cannot pray Jummah there in Tehran. And here in Pakistan you guys stop and block all main roads of our cities for marches and juloos. And every year I see number of march/juloos is increase. Yet the people of Pakistan tolerate you despite you create disturbance in traffic and business. Also many students are unable to go to schools. Learn how to take out a civilised juloos. and stop criticizing Pakistan. Its the only Sunni Country that has allowed you people so much freedom. Go and see middle east and turkey and Malaysia etc. where you cannot take out your juloos or stop business on 9th and 10th..... Biased and non sense article once again.
February 18, 2013 4:32 am
I guess Shia's should ask for seperate provinces like Tamil's in Sri Lanka. It is difficult for 5 crore to leave a country
Rex L.
February 18, 2013 4:34 am
This is fundamental command in the Quran. And requirement if one is to follow in Muhammad's advice.
February 18, 2013 1:42 pm
All ballocks. The problem is that a secular polity and diversity is the hallmark of success. Pakistan is founded on the evil ideology of communalism and has no basis to exist. That is the intrinsic existential crisis. A Hindu cannot be the Prime Minister in pakistan. There is no logic to that.
February 18, 2013 4:31 am
There is NO contradiction. Anyone can exploit out of context meaning, as you have.
February 18, 2013 1:42 pm
Your grandparents did not make a mistake,either they were forced to move because of life threats of non muslims or they migrated for better future, which you got .How much Indian muslims, son of the soil, have settled in Canada? It is only because of Pakistan,you prospered so much, now you are saying the mistake of coming here.All the dictators which devastated and disintegrated Pakistan were either from Indian Army like Skindar Mirza, Ayub,Yahya or immigrants from India like Zia and Musharraf.The prosperity was all taken by Indian immigrants and no one asked son of the soil to have a share, on whose soil the Pakistan was made. For 50 years they ruled Pakistan through civil service and then formed a terrorist organization to capture Karachi, Hyderabad and related areas.This terrorist organization may be doing these activities for money as there is no sunni/shia problem in Pakistan.The citizenship of refuge seekers and their offsprings may be changed to the status of refugee to make the peace working.Sadiq
February 18, 2013 4:29 am
Well replied Waseem. I wish we all have this thinking. These barbaric monsters will definitely loose if we are united on one platform that is the unity of God. Inshallah we will win.
February 18, 2013 4:18 am
His emotions have short circuited his education and rational thinking. What can you expect from the uneducated mobs?
February 18, 2013 4:15 am
Why the whole story just say that shias should defend themselves... BTW i fail to get a link between your evolution, eco. development, system theories and your conclusion that shia should buy arms..
February 18, 2013 4:09 am
Yes, shia should now demand separate country
February 18, 2013 1:36 pm
And you see a difference between the Shia being killed in Pakistan, and the Muslims in Kashmir?
February 18, 2013 3:55 am
This is a law and order situation not a matter of abandon ship. Time to solve the crime and track down the criminals. And educate the people about the truth. But people will vote the same crowd in again for more of the same.
February 18, 2013 1:33 pm
The split in Islam after Mohammed AS between its two political camps - one pushing the rule of the Demos (5% moneyed males) and the other of the Learned, was not instigated by America or India. This division is eternal, at least Athenian, Democracy vs Republic. More relevant to present is which of the two camps makes sense today for Globalization and Free Trade?
February 18, 2013 1:29 pm
February 18, 2013 3:48 am
Pakistan is for Shiaas, as much as it is for Sunnis. The author is emational and has lost perspective. Time to live like Muslims together, rather than allow others to divide and destroy us separately.
February 18, 2013 3:47 am
Brother, Murtaza is correct. The Shia's have two choices. Either leave and live in exile or be splashed on a wall in Pakistan. The best choice is to leave this country for the corrupt rulers and the terrorists who are part of these killings so both the terrorists and the govt can steel and kill together.
February 18, 2013 3:54 pm
Why do we leave our land as if we are not save in our homeland where else we could be save. We should reply them in same why atleast to prove that we not learn to die but we can also able to take revenge from all those who are killing us in "bugze badar".
February 18, 2013 9:19 am
Oh! You forgot the Christians. A society that does not tolerate minorities is bound to destroy itself.
Concerned Netizen
February 18, 2013 4:52 pm
This is the reason why we treat minorities the way we do. Because we think Pakistan is ONLY for Muslims.
Altaf Hussain, Mumbai
February 18, 2013 3:18 am
Since when?
February 18, 2013 3:12 am
Spoken like a true Indian...making the best of the Muslim error and misfortune...
February 18, 2013 3:13 am
Problem is that they don't believe that any one else is Muslim except them. Now in order to avoid the wrath of these murderers, they must give up their religion and become one of those terrorists. After done with Hazaras, who is next?
February 18, 2013 3:07 am
Everyone is waiting for someone else to save Pakistan without lifting a finger themselves. There is an eternal saying "God helps those who help themselves." No Pakistani seems to believe in it, would rather wait for a Messiah to arrive.
February 18, 2013 3:08 am
Your Shiaa Supremacy and denigration of the 'Other' bleeds through your pseudo intellectualization of a complicated scenario when external forces, agent-provocateurs, heightened emotions are forcing the marginal issues. Shiaas and Sunnies have always lived peacefully together in Pakistan, even intermarried. Even today many such communities and mixed neighborhoods live peacefully together. Forensics have demonstrated unequivocally that the same weapons and ammo was used on both sides alike. It is not easy to stay level headed under suh circumstances, and I am not condemning you in anyway whatsoever. All Muslims need to live together in unity and peace...many a opportunist is inflaming the situation by critical hits, spreading despondency and internecine conflict. A very high level of wisdom and leadership is need of the moment. When emotions get the better of you it is always calming to seek advice from the Noble Qur’an and ask what would Muhammad do under the circumstances. This is an international sparked conflict, Muslims should take a deep breath and look at the issues through Muhammad’s eyes and Qur’an Commands. Should Muslims continue along this path they have everything to lose, nothing to gain...remember that opportunists and the Enemy is maneuvering cold sober: Systematically, ruthlessly, brutally. Supplying logistical and financial support to both sides. Muslims please hold your hands and think clearly...such bombs and explosions are NOT manufactured in some religious maniacs kitchen..!
February 18, 2013 1:23 pm
As the Shia cleric in Quetta said, Pakistan is a jungle, and the only way to live here is like a lion. If the Shia follow Ali, the lion of Allah, then why do they not arm themselves?
Ms Manjee
February 18, 2013 2:36 am
What if they were not muslims? Do you think it's okay to kill them then?
p r sharma
February 18, 2013 2:18 am
"why the Shias should leave this country? Only because some barbaric, sectarian hate mongers wanted them to leave" very positive attitudes but it will be possible only and only when the Sunni majority which is presently silent spectator ceases to be silent and oppose it diligently.. Lip service will neither work nor infuse hope for betterment. .
FJ Siddiqui
February 18, 2013 1:48 am
Dear SSA, AHA & Zimbo Indian, for any text, message depends whether you interpret the text within the context it appears or detach an excerpt and then give it any desired meaning. This is what has happened with the interpretation of Qur'anic Text and traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) in the last century. Talibanic and many other non-violent versions of interpretation are the product of same error. However, it is not that no one has tried to fix this problem. Kindly read the book 'Playing God: Misreading a Divine Practice' and then you guys are free to make your informed opinion. Regards
February 18, 2013 1:46 am
Nice! but you should change the subject for this blog.
umesh bhagwat
February 18, 2013 1:45 am
when will this sectarian violence stop?
Zain Raza
February 18, 2013 11:54 am
Murtaza, totaly agree with you. I see no future for my 3 year old son in Pakistan anymore!
February 19, 2013 5:45 am
Absolute nonsense. Nobody should leave their homeland.
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 1:11 am
Mr Murtaza seems to be sure who is responsible for the Bomb in his eyes it is a Pakistani Sunni ....If we cannot unite the people and standup to terrorism we should also not use the most extreme language and comments to incite further hatred and division. I would encourage Mr Murtaza to be the first to leave so that we will have one less extremist in the country. The need is for those who can unite us not divide us.
T Shah
February 18, 2013 1:07 am
Akil Akhtar
February 18, 2013 1:08 am
I hope not but that may be the fate of all of us because we are responsible for whatever is happening in pakistan. we are very good at blaming pakistan for all our problems when we are the problem and we have made Pakistan what it is today. The enemy is taking full advantage of our lack of any nationalism, corruption and our selfishness and greed. From top to bottom we are for sale to anyone for anything as long as we get some dollars.
February 18, 2013 12:33 am
Please ask this question from Sipah e Sahaba Pakistan and Lashkar e Jhangvi. But don't be fooled by propaganda , study the facts yourself and then make a decision.
February 18, 2013 12:30 am
I am just as infuriated as you and millions of other shias and moderate sunnis concerning the genocide of Hazaras and other Shias at the hands of the Taliban and Lashker-e-Jhangvi. I agree with you that we need military operations against all armed terrorist outfits and their supporters, whether they are in Waziristan, Karachi, or Islamabad. This is beyond the capabillity of the police, rangers or FC.
February 18, 2013 12:12 am
Oh really! r u sponsoring them for Canada?
February 18, 2013 12:09 am
Well, no, they are not welcome. Shias/Ahmedis/other sects of Muslims joined the Sunnis in demanding a separate nation of pakistan. They are not welcome in India. Muslims be it Shias, Sunnis, Ahmedis, whatnot sects generally tend to have a superiority problem. Hindus of India have given refuges to everyone including Zorastranians, Jews, Tibetan Buddhists. However, it is only these muslims who indulged in atrocities against those who have given them refuge and partitioned the country. India cannot afford one more partition. Having said all these, I would also like to point out the Indian muslims are no less Indians than Hindus/Buddhitsts/ Jains/Sikhs/Parsees/Christians. I do wish Shias best wishes and hope they find a safe place to live in some other country. Please leave India and Indians alone.
February 18, 2013 12:05 pm
@Zimbo_Indian: To answer your question in the simplest of terms - no, it is not okay for Muslims to kill non-Muslims.
February 18, 2013 6:12 pm
Ostriches are never in short supply.
February 18, 2013 8:32 pm
WHY ? that shia burning flags of India in India
February 17, 2013 11:11 pm
What about the Baluchis. Dont forget about them.
Ganesh (India)
February 18, 2013 12:11 pm
All religions are full of contradictions. Its about how society reads and interprete their scriptures ( Quran, Bibal, Gita etc..).
mohsin jaferi
February 17, 2013 10:49 pm
why should we leave we r the part of pakistan n also a founders bcze QUAIDE AZAM is also shia so pakistan is property of shia
Akil Akhtar
February 17, 2013 10:41 pm
More than welcome to leave and go to Iran a shia land since the shias of Pakistan are more sincere to Iran than Pakistan anyway. The shia religious leadership is mostly trained in Iran as well. At one time Iranian govt dreamt of a shia revolution in Pakistan through these leaders as well and their consulates were centres of hatred against Pakistan until the main character was killed.
February 18, 2013 12:15 pm
@Mr. abbastoronto of Pakistan, from toronto now living in MI/Detroit In Quran " 20 believers will overcome 200 infidels" and you have the audacity to quote it. Please for one minute think that if you are called an infidel in US/Canada which are christian majority countries , will you keep quiet.?
Akil Akhtar
February 17, 2013 10:35 pm
The author is one of the band of so called liberals and writers in pakistan who are willing to demonise Pakistan and seem to be on an agenda to divide and demoralise this nation as much as they can. Instead of standing up to the terrorists they can only standup to Pakistan. Is he saying shias are not pakistanis....
Karim Lala
February 17, 2013 10:37 pm
I wish it is true, however the writing on the walls are different.
Akil Akhtar
February 17, 2013 10:31 pm
Right. instead of uniting and standing up to terrorists everyone seems to be thinking of themselves and abandoning Pakistan like rats. Many more sunnis and other Pakistanis have been killedd by terrorists than shias but we never heard these shias coming out in their support. It seems its very easy to incite the minorities in this country and divide us. I remember shias started the militancy first emboldened and supported by the iranian shia revolution.
February 18, 2013 12:20 pm
@Dudenator We have enough problems to deal with and have enough muslims and that too majority are sunnis. Your want to welcome shias and have the same kind of problems here which pakistan is facing? No way.Let them go to places where they are welcome.
February 18, 2013 12:22 pm
Pakistan is property of none rather of only MUSLIM.
Akil Akhtar
February 17, 2013 10:26 pm
Don't be absolutely ridiculous...
February 18, 2013 6:07 pm
if killing continues, will your border remain safe?Will u have border? Your own people will dissolve it.
February 17, 2013 4:53 pm
First It were the Hindus who were made to leave the country, then Bangladesh separated, Christians are unwelcome and are killed, and now it is Shias. May be next will be Ahmedias. Who NEXT.
February 17, 2013 1:54 pm
Sir you didnt mention killing of hundreds of sunnis , deobandis . . . why ? in karachi Madrassa Students and Teachers are being killed daily by whom ?? and the main thing PPP ruling center leftist regime have no responsibility ??
February 17, 2013 4:03 pm
What if the security forces are doing these bombings?
February 17, 2013 7:45 pm
Overseas Pakistanis are always eager to recruit more migrants. I wonder why?
Maqsood Baloch
February 18, 2013 11:02 am
I agree with Mr.Murtaza, in order to protect their lives, Shia brothers, particularly Hazaras of Quetta could settle in Hyderabad and other parts of interior Sindh, where people are more tolerant. I have seen Hazaras living a peaceful life in Hyderabad Sindh.
February 17, 2013 8:45 pm
rewind 750AD
February 17, 2013 8:41 pm
sorry Laila...the non-islamic world hardly knows about the sects within Islam. Sometime the answer is so near that one can't see.
February 17, 2013 8:39 pm
If you have not yet figured. Its decided and will be for 1000 years (more zero should be added I think)
February 18, 2013 6:03 pm
If we remember the first speech of Quaid-e-Azam he strongly emphesized that the new borned country was for all the human being not particularly for muslims. What happened after his demise and his leutinent Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan, the country was captured ill minded politicians, beurocrates, some greedy army generals and mullahs who wanted to implement their own kind of Islam. The purpose of creation of Pakistan was killed by those elements for their own purposes and benefits. Those greedy and misguided people are still in power and the poor Pakistanis are suffering in the hands of those evils. Until the people do not get up and clean up this mafia Pakistan will not come back to its original face.
February 17, 2013 10:10 pm
Exactly. A mini-two nation theory.
February 17, 2013 8:31 pm
Superb analysis and a wonderful read. Thank you Mr Abbas learnt a lot.
February 17, 2013 8:33 pm
President Zardari is talking about unwavering support to Palestine - Mr. Malik is worried bout security of Shahrukh Khan Hafeez Saeed is worred about Kashmiri (Indian administered) Muslims. I am just wondering, who will worry about Pakistani Muslims? There are Shia Muslims in Palestine. There are Shia and Sufi Muslims in Kashmir. If leaders can worry about them, why they cannot take care of their own fellow country man?
Rizwanul Huda
February 17, 2013 8:25 pm
Our enemy is from our own people who call them the savior of Islam. They are leading a Jihad against an invisible enemy.
Logic guy
February 17, 2013 8:14 pm
It's time to divide Pakistan based on Sunni, Shia, Pashtun, etc. Pakistans very social fabric has been destroyed due to no governance. What is the point of democracy when there is no security for different sects.
February 17, 2013 10:09 pm
have gone so hopeless that I have stopped thinking........spent the day watching match....I know I should be hated for this but the frustration is such that can't think straight....very disappointing situation...may Allah help all, nothing rational and logical could be said about the nonsense.....
February 17, 2013 7:57 pm
Yeah that's totally the right approach Mr Obvious. Not getting jobs? Leave Pakistan. No Electricity? Leave Pakistan. Terrorism? Leave Pakistan. Because of this attitude we are in such situation. I am sure no patriot could make this kind of comment. Pakistan is what you make it to be, and if leaving this poor piece of land is what you have on top of the list then God be with us.
Muzaffar Ali
February 17, 2013 7:58 pm
yeah, To show people that, Indeed Dictatorship is Best then Civilian Govt.
February 17, 2013 7:58 pm
My friends from Pakistan tell me that their country is a beautiful country just like another Switzerland. And I do believe that, from the pictures they show me of SWAT valley; the unfortunate part is though they have swathes of land with mango orchards, apple trees, and breath-taking scenic beauty, problem is that it is infested with Taleban and extremists to an extent that they need to move to foreign lands where they live their life as literal beggars. They keep on telling themselves - why did our fathers and grandfathers have to partition the country. Pity!
February 17, 2013 7:52 pm
Your article is really excellent and to the point. You do give the real reason behind this calamity ----JAHILLISM!! However "sure we are humans first and everything second" is where I strongly disagree with you. We are not humans, be it first or second or even last. We are a bunch of junglies where anarchy rules and the only law is the law of jungle. We started with Ahmadies, then Shias, later on we will brand the Malikies as Kafirs then Shafaees then Ghezalees then Hanafees and so on until every one will be kafir. The only way we can live in harmony is that we FORGET that we are muslims and try to be humans, humans and humans only. Religion has become the biggest source of discrimination, followed very distantly by colour and creed. Religion is so abstract that every one believes he/she is an authority on it and others have to follow that way, every other belief or practice must be nipped in the bud. Instead of preaching religion we should preach TOLERANCE. Leave religion to God. He devised it, let Him take care of it.
February 17, 2013 9:59 pm
The hate does not come just from extremists. The Sunni-Shia hate exists in the mainstream. Please do not say that you have never 'felt' that hate before.
Salman US
February 17, 2013 9:55 pm
Shia Militancy is the only option left for SHIAS survival in Pakistan like Iraq. Shias need to get weapons from Iran and fight these terrorists barbarians.
February 17, 2013 9:52 pm
February 17, 2013 7:50 pm
Good graphics collected by Mr Murtaza. For the careful reader, there's some very interesting viewing here, especially starting year 2003. This part of both graphs can be divided into two post-2002 phases: '03-'06 and '07-'12. Just as the no on stories register a significant drop for '03-'06 phase to the next in the first graph, there is a proportional bump in the death figures of the second graph. There is even a year that bucks the trend in the first graph, 2010. There is an increase in the number of stories for this year. And guess what, a corresponding decrease in deaths in the second graph. Again, an anomalous year in phase '07-'12 of the second graph. In essence, this is an army of mercenaries who answer to none, spare none. If they go to the east wing, they cause death there, if they move north-west they cause deaths there. What happens when US forces leave? They will move from the conflict zones to Afghanistan and inner regions of Pakistan. And guess what they will bring with them.
February 17, 2013 9:48 pm
Thank You, AHA.
February 17, 2013 9:46 pm
If they could, they wouldn't be killing each other.
February 17, 2013 7:49 pm
Here's my two cents. When those closest to me used to talk this way, I felt disgust and anger at how they had let fear get to them, how they would attend majalis and juloos extolling the bravery of Hussain R.A and yet speak of running away to greener pastures when terrorism struck. I felt that if I ever succumbed to the temptation, I would live a life of eternal regret and shame. It is one thing to live one's life according to one's faith and beliefs, and another to accept one's fate. I believe it is in our fate to be killed and persecuted like this. Suffering and pain have always been our identity. To accept this would mean more killings, kidnappings, beheadings, bombings and violence than we have ever witnessed. But it would also mean the affirmation of our belief in our destiny, for no matter how much we suffer, we can never be wiped off the face of the Earth.
zaidi tayyab
February 17, 2013 4:59 pm
one great problem for shia muslims is they are not organized their current so called leader Sajid Naqvi, is the man who can not performe they should be looking man like late Arif Hussani. In Pakistan shia muslims never thought of this,.Only solution of this is to take up arms and fight back with these religious animals
February 18, 2013 3:49 pm
But Allah does not forbid violence against the heretics. So all you need is to proclaim that someone or some group is a heretic. The problem is embedded in the religion itself.
February 17, 2013 7:33 pm
What shocks me more about this killings of Hazara community is that there is no open condemnation from the head of Pakistani Govt. I am a Pakistani American visiting Karachi right now. As I surf the TV channels, I don't see the President or the Prime Minister coming out openly and condemning these attacks and atrocities? Zardari Sahib, Raja Sahib, where are you? Are you with these vicious killers? You don't even have time to record a public condemnation of this ethnic cleansing of your people. Are you too afraid that these killers will turn their guns against you? How can you sleep at night? Shawn
February 17, 2013 7:32 pm
Zimbobhai, if I'm not wrong,Qaid's father was Gujarati Hindu( zinabhai) and got converted to Ismaili( Agakhani).Qaid later got converted to Muslim.
February 17, 2013 7:24 pm
John, I'm afraid your sarcasm will be missed by many a reader
February 17, 2013 7:23 pm
So you're suggesting that minorities facing persecution in different countries should just flee and leave everything behind? Absurd argument. Why shouldn't the state take more responsibility of protecting it's citizens? How about you use your energies in coming up with better solutions.
February 17, 2013 7:14 pm
Stay in Pakistan. Fight for your rights!
Z. Malik
February 17, 2013 7:05 pm
I must appreciate your mentality Mr. Mansoor.. Just look at your post at a public forum directly targeting what.. ?? I am unable to understand the logic behind this post of yours, either your nickname seems fake or your general knowledge is in recycle bin..
February 18, 2013 4:53 pm
What is left to be proud of??????
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 7:03 pm
"We have met the enemy, and they are us."
Waseem Khan
February 17, 2013 7:05 pm
as an indian shia...completely agree with this point. Im glad my grandfather didnt move to pakistan at the time of partition else my father wd have been collecting my body parts in Quetta streets today
February 18, 2013 4:50 pm
The day your so called leaders stop worrying about and world and start worrying about its own people, pakistan will be the best place to live. until then do your bit for you country.
February 17, 2013 6:57 pm
I was checking constantly this blog and I’m impressed!
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 6:57 pm
Fewer and fewer countries want to import Pakistanis. They have enough problems of their own.
February 18, 2013 4:45 pm
Your ancestors ,must have been arabs I suppose
February 17, 2013 9:27 pm
WOW!!!! No hope........You are the True Hope.
SHK, toronto
February 17, 2013 6:50 pm
This is not Sunnis or shias issue it is purely govt incompetents. Governor Baluchistan rightly said either they are afraid or they are involved. I do not think that they don’t know who is doing and why. I firmly believe we should separate Sunnis from deo bandi sect because they are living with shias form century in complete harmony and peace. I just want to mention that Karachi police did forensic investigation of the empty bullet cases and same pistol being used to kill shias as well as Banori town madressah teacher.
February 18, 2013 10:47 am
Yes there are several two nation theories existing within present day pakistan's culture
February 18, 2013 10:54 am
Your suspicions are just, without any question but here i share a thought i Quote words of Hazrat Ali (4th Khalifa of Islam). Any society, governed by non Muslim can prevail with justice. But society governed by Muslims without justice cannot prevail – Hazrat Ali (The Golden Words)
February 17, 2013 6:40 pm
If they leave, then they will just carry their battles to the place they go to...No thanks.
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 6:33 pm
"To go to paradise they have to kill." French Algerian spy
February 18, 2013 9:22 am
An eye for an eye does not solve the problem. Maybe a Shia nation within the borders of Pakistan
February 17, 2013 6:32 pm
Good you moved to Canada. Pakistan do not need people like you who see the glass as halull.. I hope rest of your family moves awaty too.
Indian HIndu
February 17, 2013 2:57 pm
What is Iran doing when all this is going on? Or they only go after Salman Rashdi? No courage to stand up for Hazara in Pakistan. No courage to stand up against Taliban? Why should Shia follow Iran then?
February 17, 2013 4:51 pm
To all the Indians Making comments with a fake Pakistani profile, worry about your Maoists and 15 other Insurgencies, Already your economy has slowed down, cant protect your women in buses because you worry too much for us.
February 17, 2013 3:14 pm
Time for Shias to leave Pakistan? But why? Why not time for all of us to unite and kill these terrorists who are killing Shia citizens of Pakistan. It would be helpful if all shades of Pakistanis openly condemn these senseless killings.
February 17, 2013 3:02 pm
Islam is full of contradictions. The terrorists and the suicide bombers also get their guidance from our religious texts.
Indian HIndu
February 17, 2013 2:58 pm
I am glad you did not blame India for this. Thank you.
Fazil K.
February 17, 2013 4:50 pm
You mean an internal partition may be the solution.
sohail khan
February 17, 2013 3:00 pm
i dont understand your confused, when drone strikes mostly civilian population suffers and when terrorist blows himself only innocents die. because drones kill civilians does not mean militants should kill shias.
February 17, 2013 3:00 pm
feels like whole world is against shias afghanistan iraq , Bahrain, saudi ,lebanon , syria and everyone is trying to destroy iran. I wish moving away can solve the problem
February 17, 2013 3:43 pm
Had Mr. Haider taken Management 101, Economics 101, Systems Theory 101, Evolution 101, and especially Islamic History 101, his piece would have had a realistic and positive tone. The Primal Question of Existence is Survival, Growth, Evolution, and Religions as socio-economic systems offer comprehensive answers. Rituals help people of similar economic outlook bond together. The more adapted a System to its Environment, the more optimal and efficient it is, the faster its Growth and Evolution. The Shia System has different socio-economics than its majority brother, and more adaptive because of Ijtehad. For 4,000 years only two Systems have vied for world hegemony, the Hellenic and the Abrahamic, the latter coming out on the top for most of the history, largely because of it creating better god(s) than its rival and being more efficient. Each religion (System) is tied to an economic environment. Of the 3 Abrahamic Islams, the Pastoral Economy had the Law of Moses as its natural answer, the Agrarian the Love of Jesus, and the Exchange the Justice of Mohammed AS. Moses was a shepherd, Jesus an artisan in the Fertile Crescent, Mohammed AS a businessman trader. They were the Chief Economists of their Eras. Literary analysis of the 3 Scriptures reflects prevalent economics. After Mohammed AS and his Secular Republic of Medina, his Islam split into the Umarites (later the Sunni, Wahabbi, Qadiani) and Fatimites (later Shia, Alevi, Ismaili). The Umarite Kaliphate allied itself with the yehud, regressed to Pastoral ways, and turned theocratic. Its unwise conquests into agrarian world meant this pastoral Islam was even more inefficient. The flexible Fatimites moved to agrarian lands, allying with Christians, so regressed less. Whereas Shia found refuge in Agrarian India, Mesopotamia, Levant, Iran in the past, today the choice is limited. With Globalization and Free Trade, the Umarite Islam is 2 stages removed from reality around it, therefore the worldwide panic, suicide, and nihilism within it. The Fatimite Islam is only ½ stage away, contains most of the Trading sub-castes of Islam (Ismaili, Khoja, Bohra, Memon et al). It finds itself increasingly like fish in water. The 2,400 year old Hellenism, after attempts at implementing Socratic Republics in America and France have regressed back to inefficient Democracy, is below replenishment, waiting Islam’s coup de grace. The Quran [8:65] promises that 20 Believer will overcome 200 infidels. Whenever the Shia turned to belief they led Pakistan even if they are only a quarter in numbers. A better strategy is offered by a Quetta Shia Cleric. “Pakistan is a jungle, and in a jungle the only way to live is like a lion”. In the past it was Jinnah who led them and created Pakistan. To save it today they need a Sh. Nasrallah who rather than advise his flock to move to Canada turned it into a fighting force that even the Israeli General admit they can not defeat.
Zalim Singh
February 17, 2013 3:33 pm
Mr. Haider, Pakistanis are busy concentrating on Kashmir to even bother about the Shia killings.
February 17, 2013 4:09 pm
Zahid bhai, you are confusing me. Firstly, I always thought Jinnah was a Muslim. Now you tell me he was a shia. Regarding your advise to shias, I feel it should be directed at ALL Muslims. 1. Muslims should get education. Because most common Muslims are uneducated. 2. Muslims should get united. 3. Muslims should vote for those who believe in peace and justice. One last point. Muslims should know who their enemy is.
February 17, 2013 4:07 pm
So somebody was saying something about Shia miltancy..... :-/
Mohammed hazara
February 17, 2013 4:00 pm
Shias should ask for separate nation within pakistan
February 17, 2013 4:03 pm
Yes. Remember how taliban had quoted scriptures to justify their attack on Malala.
February 17, 2013 4:50 pm
As evidenced by 1000 years of conflicts ;-)
February 17, 2013 2:52 pm
enjoy the goose you cooked
February 17, 2013 3:39 pm
Finally Murtuza has decided to put on the spectacles called reality rather than analyzing situation based on unproven theories.
February 17, 2013 2:55 pm
Pakistan has never stood on its own. During the cold war it became a puppet of the US. Its again a puppet of US. Now you are also being used by China. And you are also being used by your own Intelligence, and your own Generals. How millions of moslems can live in peace and prosper - that lesson you should take from India. But you refuse to learn. In order to truly remove violence (disease) from your nation, you have to forget Kashmir, you have to forget the ways of creating trouble for your neighbors.. You cannot have both peace and Kashmir. You can choose peace. Or you can choose a continuation of the hell that is your own country where muslims kill muslims by the dozens. India is not without its defects - but it has not sold its army to a foreign power, and most important it has tried not to spread terror in its neighbors ..
February 17, 2013 2:50 pm
from the looks of the data, it seems like the same strain (and high chances the same bunch of people) of extremists who caused trouble in Kashmir to minorities and moderate Muslims have relocated to Quetta and are causing trouble for minority shias and moderate Muslims. The Osama-Zawahiri-Omar kind of fundamentalist attitude has already poisoned their minds to a point of no return.
February 17, 2013 3:30 pm
5 crore shia could have their own country in pakitsan, it could be the last option. if our agencies dont want to control terrorism.our forces and agencies were behind bangladesh separation. and they are again on way to disintegrate pakistan. if we want to save our country we should wash our army from zia ul haqs ideology, and corner the politicians pro terrorists
No hope.
February 17, 2013 3:32 pm
Until we stop this religious divide,until we stop acting like we the Sunni's who are the favored or the ultimate muslims,until we the people stop judging each other by who we worship,until we stop pointing fingers and above all,until we respect our own faith,worry about when we face the day of judgement,until we respect people as who they are rather then what their beliefs are,this will continue.As a muslim,I wonder why people are so concerned about others while they themselves are the bigger sinners hiding behind those long beards,acting like the official spokes person for the ALL MIGHTY.Pakistan is no different from other countries where there are several different faiths are practiced,I think its time we the people are held to a higher standard just like we the people must hold the government and the courts at a higher level.Wouldn't it be great if we all lived peacefully regardless of what we believed in,after all,what I believe in and how I practice being a person is between me and my creator.I will have to agree that muslims are the most judgemental and reactive people on earth,most of us are fake who hide behind our religion,we are destructive,opinionated,extremists whether you believe it or not or accept it or not.We are easily diverted like a bunch of lambs because we lack education to make sound choices.n my opinion this is how I see things,sure we are humans first and everything second,but we are by far the worst nation,we can never prosper,we can never be like others.Just look at the new bus system,they have already broken the windows,wrecked the buses,if the bus seats 50,you'll find 150,why? because we are a JAHILL KOM,until we fix that,we will continue to be poor and JAHILL,which makes us twice as dangerous.I know I'll get alot of ugly responds,and to make the matters worse,I'm a Pakistani and admits it,all I can say is that the truth hurts,it bothers me to know.
Tahir Ali
February 18, 2013 4:31 pm
Please be responsible while posting your comments on a sensitive matter like this.
February 18, 2013 9:26 am
Most of the security forces of Pakistan are Sunnies too
February 17, 2013 6:09 pm
What education will work in this situation, educated people are killing shia of pakistan, state machinery should take stand against killers, this shows that state is in hibernation
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 6:06 pm
I'll believe you.
Akhter Rasool
February 17, 2013 6:06 pm
i feel government or people in power want these head less people for stability of themselves, they support even they create people like these, and if government is interested they can clean all mafia with in a week
Ali aamir
February 17, 2013 3:22 pm
If the state is not going to protection and take responsibilities for security for all shias and minorities then put all shias and minorities in one province there they should protect themselves instead of the worthless security now how is that?
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 6:05 pm
The two state solution. I've heard of that.
Cyrus Howell
February 17, 2013 6:03 pm
"Pakistan is no different from other countries where there are several different faiths are practiced." Pakistan is very different. "Wouldn’t it be great if we all lived peacefully regardless of what we believed in..." That would be great.
February 17, 2013 5:58 pm
A superb answer. I feel like framing it and putting it in the wall of every Pakistani house. May God bless you.
February 17, 2013 3:19 pm
Mr Murtaza, please dont label them as sunni, they are deobandi and wahabi intolerant. sunnis have good chemistry with shia.
February 17, 2013 3:17 pm
nya generation kuch karo iss bare mem
S. A. M.
February 17, 2013 3:18 pm
My Grand Parents (may their souls rest eternally in heavenly abode) made the mistake to leave Amroha (then a town in District Muradabad) to come to Pakistan. Many of our relatives are still living there. When we meet in places like UAE they say that they have no fear in India. Nobody ever attacks the procession of Imam Hussain. What can we do. Alas we have lost the connection with the land of our ancestors and where we would have been treated as sons of the soil. Now that me and my family are living a safe life in Canada (Alhamdullillah) we are worried for our loved ones in Pakistan. There are hundreds of thousands of shia in Pakistan not all can flee there has to be a permanent peaceful solution. Taleban and the likes must be tethered.
February 17, 2013 9:01 pm
Leaving is never the answer. It did not work for the Jewish people in Germany, it did not work for the Hindus in Sindh, or for the Pandits in Kashmir. People should take measures to protect themselves and fight for their rights and maybe (just maybe) enough individuals of goodwill from the majority will side with them to make a difference.
February 17, 2013 8:58 pm
VERY WELL EXPLAINED Abbass ' I believe Knowledge leads to courage and living in a jungle like a lion is the grace of survival . lion does it not only for himself but for others also , regardless of life or death .
February 17, 2013 4:15 pm
First Bengalis were the targets. Then Hindus and Christians. Then Ahmediyas. Now Shias. I think after all non-Sunnis have been wiped out, the next target will be liberal / educated Sunnis which will include large number of Dawn readers. And finally, we may see Pakistan seeking financial aid from Afghanistan. .
February 17, 2013 5:18 pm
coup de grace .. thought it was Gaussian distribution
February 17, 2013 3:09 pm
Are you suggesting that the Shia killings are their own fault? The state has no responsibility in protecting its citizens?
February 17, 2013 4:48 pm
Weaving a narrative, however illogical, to suit ones biases.
February 17, 2013 3:00 pm
February 17, 2013 5:25 pm
religion of course ...But what we want is pakistanis should know it late ...
February 18, 2013 4:21 pm
Take your drones and go do business elsewhere. You create terrorism smart aleck.
February 18, 2013 4:21 pm
If Pakistan is the property of only Muslims, then what do you think is the status of Hindus and Christians in Pakistan?
Indian HIndu
February 17, 2013 3:03 pm
The what are you going to do AHA? I am asking what are "YOU" going to do to change the situation. Or you will wait for some one to do something? Can you vow not to berate or hate any minority? Can you encourage your family not to hate other minorities? You can do it if you have will. Will you do it AHA?
S. A. M.
February 17, 2013 3:06 pm
No India is not our enemy. Nobody need to waste his time or resources to inflict harm upon us as we are self sufficient in nurturing the enemy which is totaly from the land of the pure. Hindus are great people they cannot be compared with these barbarians.
February 17, 2013 5:24 pm
Mr Abbastoronto, it seems another para of copy and paste seems to have gone awry. I think you push the 'post comment' key too quickly while distracted by the arrival of piping hot pakoras and chai as quite rightly mentioned by an interesting chap on an earlier post before.
February 18, 2013 4:11 pm
Dear Siddiqui, You are right and it is nice that at least some sane person is trying to fix up the errors...but are these terrorists going to listen to the sane minds? According to them everyone who is against their thinking are against are the sane people going to face the guns and rabid thinking?
February 17, 2013 5:21 pm
Hello Abbas, must admit that I like what you have written and would request you to share good reads about the links between economies & faith. That said, don't you think that its time for a new faith to arise to connect those participating in the "new" economies or would it take a catastrophe for people to shed their old skins? Secondly, I also agree that the minorities or the oppressed cannot expect anybody else to stand up/ support them. However it'll quite challenging if you are unable to retaliate (given that you are policed by a state) and your leaders can get picked off while you try and organize.
February 17, 2013 8:53 pm
why do you care ...IH
February 17, 2013 8:54 pm
you are
February 17, 2013 5:13 pm
Another joke. There are plenty of sleeping minds around.
February 18, 2013 9:55 am
Brother Murtaza, militancy and terrorism has unfortunately become rampant in our country and that is a sad fact. I agree whole heartedly that targetting a minority in the name of religion is ignorant and cruel. When unknown terrorists with unknown motives attack and kill people, that is not their victory. They become victorious after we start counting how many Shia and Sunni died so that other parties can be blamed. This is the same old divide and conquer strategy that we have been suckered into for over a century. First they divided us into Muslim and Non-muslim. Now they want to further divide us into Shia, sunni, deobandi, barelvi etc. In the future they will divide us by the language we speak, the colour of our skin... it never ends. As long as we remain vulnerable and disunited, we will continue to suffer. Let's be Muslims and Pakistanis before we are Shia, Sunni or anything else.
February 17, 2013 2:21 pm
First the poor Hazaras are subjected to terror and now this clown wants them to give up home and hearth and become refugees.
February 17, 2013 2:20 pm
What kind of Muslims they are ? do they forget the Hadith of Hazarat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) that“A true Muslim is the one from whose tongue and hand other Muslims stay safe.”
February 17, 2013 2:18 pm
Once again Mr Murtaza you are wrong by saying Shia's should leave the country. I belive This country was made by shia leader QUAID AZAM & shia should know leaving pakistan is not the cure of the problem. Shia's should be doing the following things. 1. Shia's should get Education. Most of the common shia are Uneducated. 2. Shia's should get united not just for 10 days of Muharram. 3. Shia's should Vote in the election to those who belive in peace & justice. 4. Shia's should be also involve in Media & have their strong presence. 5. Shia's should also be Vigilent & proactive. One last point we belive in Allah help those who help themself. Shia's should have clear direction, who their enemy is.
raj handal
February 17, 2013 2:18 pm
Reminds you of the famous saying: First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
February 17, 2013 3:59 pm
why should the Shias leave why cant evey one live together in peace, after all they are muslim as well what is wrong with the people of pakistan why are they hell bent on getting rid and killing everyone. the shias have just as much right to be in Pakistan as the sunnis. wake up Pakistan and stop making emanies out of everyone.
February 18, 2013 4:15 pm
If the shia hazaras were to move to cities like karachi and even aboard , not all the shias will be able to move, second, this would make the remaining shias even more vulnerable based on the fact the less population exists. They want us to get out of Pakistan. We will and we should not move. If we really want to make a point, we should start moving to hazara communities. To show them exactly that we do not fear you and will not let you run over Pakistan. We shall protect it. In conclusion it is not a solution to run away from death. The solution is to stand up and fight for your rights (i believe the current reaction shown by the hazaras are perfect, we just need to be patient) . Maybe we don't see a ray of light that would suggest help is on the way, but we have to walk through this path regardless. Cause as you entered into a cave of darkness their is always a way out.
Javed Hussaini
February 17, 2013 2:13 pm
So much for the two nation theory, Maulana Azad was 100% right, I am glad my parents stayed put in India and not move to Pakistan, on the eve of partition. Being a Shia , and a minority in India, I feel much safer in Haryana, a 90% Hindu area where I live, then I ever will in a muslim nation. Pakistan needs to learn to respect people and be tolerant, if the hindus want they can wipe out muslims from India and the world would probably do nothing , as it is a big economi power on which no military or eonomic sanctions will work, but that does no happen in India, periodic riots do happen that is as much a fault of muslims and hindus or sikhs, Our MLA is a muslim, the next constituency the MLA is a Sikh, and again the population is both communities is less then 10%. I hope that this venom from Pakistan does not spread to muslims in India, already we have seen anti shia violence in Lucknow.
Agha Ata (USA)
February 17, 2013 2:11 pm
It is time for SHIAS to move out of Pakistan. I would recommend that SUNNIES should also do the same.
February 17, 2013 3:56 pm
Are non-Muslims also safe from the tongue and hand of true Muslims? Or is it OK to kill non-Muslims? Will some "true Muslim" like to answer?
S. A. M.
February 17, 2013 2:09 pm
Murtaza don't be a fickle. Stay on one side. Last time in your article you were against shias of Pakistan trying to link them with Iran and this time you are crying for their deaths. Its hilarious how people can change like weather!
raja hindustani
February 17, 2013 3:57 pm
muslims killing muslims in land made specially for muslims. So two nation theory is relevant now..??
February 17, 2013 2:04 pm
I am confused. Few days ago your data was 'telling' civilian horror story of drone campaign against the terrorists. Today your data is showing civilian horror story inflicted by the terrorists. So should we bomb the terrorists or let them continue?
S. A. M.
February 18, 2013 9:28 am
Abbas that is really a bad statement. I am from Karachi but I am convinced that not only shias or sunnis but the general public in India are safe. They have not been such great enemies as our own people are. can't you make from the feelings that sunnis and shias have against each other in the country. you think we stand a chance to point finger at someone else and particularly India. I am of the opinion that if we were in India we would have been far better. think it over with an mind.
February 17, 2013 2:03 pm
Are they going to leave Iraq too? Ur playing in hands of militants who want secretarian civil war
February 17, 2013 2:03 pm
Deep sorrow over the massacre of the innocent Hazara people. Good Blog but we need to do more in order to wake up the Pakistani Nation before its gets too late. The time has come to save Pakistan and every Pakistani should stand up against these extremist groups and their extreme ideology. May Allah save innocent people in Pakistan.
February 18, 2013 4:11 pm
NO, NO, NO,........ We have enough problems of our own. We don't want more. In any case, Muslims (both Shias and Sunnis) opted for Pakistan in 1947. They will have deal with their choice themselves. While Shias seem to be under pressure right now i Pakistan, but do remember that basically they are Muslims and will sooner or later create trouble for their neighbour non-Muslims.
Purnendu Pattnaik
February 17, 2013 2:03 pm
Is India really your enemy???
February 18, 2013 4:11 pm
The best post on this Blog in my view.
Fazil K.
February 17, 2013 5:07 pm
Bravo! Self-criticism requires tremendous courage and maturity. The west criticizes themselves a everyday and that help them improve into a society everyone wishes to emigrate to (even some Islamic radicals as in UK).
February 17, 2013 1:56 pm
While writer has expressed his frustration over the situation of minority in Pakistan, he has virtually condoned the act of terrorism in India Administered Kashmir. Till people of Pakistan has soft corner for any kind of terrorism anywhere, such incidents will continue to proliferate. Once a terrorist tastes blood, there is no stopping.
February 18, 2013 4:08 pm
Here comes the true face of Pakistan.
Waseem Ahmad
February 17, 2013 3:54 pm
No Mr Murtaza you are wrong. why the Shias should leave this country? Only because some barbaric, sectarian hate mongers wanted them to leave. We, Sunnis and Shias, have been living here in peaceful manner for centuries. This country belong to both of us and not to these elements whose minds are filled with venom. One day we will be the victors and these elements would be the ultimate losers.
February 17, 2013 3:54 pm
Time for everyone to leave. No need to switch off the lights -- there is no electricity.
February 17, 2013 3:49 pm
February 18, 2013 4:10 pm
Dont blame the never changed and thats why theres a billion plus folllowers. Muslims are full of contradictions... not Islam. aha
February 17, 2013 1:43 pm
"Better to be alive in exile than to be splattered on a wall." You are spot on. Value of life is much more than a mere colour of a Passport.
February 17, 2013 1:41 pm
These statistics are scary!
krishna prasad
February 17, 2013 1:41 pm
Excellent exposition of the truth as on today within Pakistan...Would the state has the will to do more to stamp-out the sectarian violence? Do they have a plan? Or do they play hide and seek to serve its own interests? A serious point to the minority sect leaders to resolve/fix this issue.
February 17, 2013 3:45 pm
It seems to me that the same conditions exist today in Pakistan for the Shias to ask for a separate nation that the Qaid e Azam had listed when he asked for the breakup of India and the creation of Pakistan. Separate culture, beliefs, ideals, origins....
shakir merani
February 17, 2013 1:36 pm
very well said ............but where u can go...........we have two option .....we must hold the guns or waiting for death h
February 17, 2013 5:04 pm
Lol. You must be joking. Wake up and smell the coffee. So sad. May god help the poor and those in need.
February 17, 2013 1:34 pm
I think we need to look at things in right context....Many of renowned Shia leaders of Pakistan recently said that ongoing anti-Shia terrorism has nothing to do with sectarian violance. Terrorism has different dynamics in every region 1. in KPK Sunnis are victims of suicide blasts inside mosques and mostly on Fridays. 2. In Karachi it has taken the shape of target killing as it could not wear sectarial look. 3. In Baluchistan victims are mostly Hazaras...Hazaras are Shias but they are not the sole Shia community...Why they are under attack only Let us not spread confusion and try to look for enemy wisely
February 17, 2013 1:34 pm
So this is your sniping point. Your 'straw'. Where will the Shias go to. To Iran, in a totally different culture. To India, I do not think so. I think there is still hoe for Pakistan, if the army decides to put the ginnie of religion back into the bottle. But if we continue on the same path of religion, then there is no hope, nit just for the Shias, but also for a vast majority of Sunnis.
February 18, 2013 10:14 am
What an immature commentary by you people. The line has been drawn, youre not going to get an inch of Pakistan. Bye ...
February 17, 2013 4:46 pm
First the Hindus, then the Ahmadis, now the shias, who's next?
Ram, India
February 17, 2013 1:33 pm
A really strong indictment of the situation in Pakistan! Is anybody listening??
February 17, 2013 3:40 pm
I invite the Shias of Pakistan to come to India. India has always opened her doors and hearts to people needing protection. 3 big business leaders in India are of Shia origin i.e mr. Azim Premji, Mr. Habil Khorakiwala and Mr. Y K. Hamied. Apart from these 3 gentlemen, the Shia community in India are peace loving, highly educated and they live without fear of anything.
February 18, 2013 4:06 pm
Very well said man, they are facing the hatred as they do not belong from this place, also they have limited them selves to their respective colonies, where no other persons from other tribes can visit. They are using their own transport services, refusing other's transport, buying and selling only from their people.
February 18, 2013 10:18 am
Absurd argument is yours. When minorities are persecuted they either leave or demand a new country. Which way would you want them to go?
February 17, 2013 4:28 pm
we should learn the art of tolerance in our hearts by giving respect to religion of others. if some body does not agree with you. don't sabotage him, but keep patience. just keep the simple policy. obey your's, respect other's. thank u.
February 18, 2013 9:30 am
Islam is a religion of peace but the followers say that if you question it we'll cut you to pieces!
February 18, 2013 10:22 am
Sorry Amut. Just because the British had amalgamated these two lands together does not mean we were ever one nation. I am very different from you ... ethically, culturally, religiously, etc.etc.etc. Proud Shia Pakistani.
February 19, 2013 6:48 am
Exactly. I just don't understand why the Hazara community has been so peaceful. They should have started retaliation long ago. They should have raished hell to get the notice of, not just the brutals, but also the establishment.
February 19, 2013 6:56 am
mr murtaza should come & take the shias to toronto if possible. or to Gujrat where Mr Modi is waiting to welcome him.
raja hindustani
February 19, 2013 7:02 am
dear we are not interested in interfering internal matter of pakistan...but if pakistan will be disturbed then it would affect India as well. This is what worrying us.
February 19, 2013 7:27 am
@Mansoor Ali..Shia population in India is around 30-35 per cent of total Muslim population, and they are more inclusive, peaceful, modern, hard working and have strong aspiration for better future in India.
February 19, 2013 7:34 am
Because of no morals; corrupt to the core specially the ruling government; Have sold their soul to the devil hoping to live for ever; That is why they cannot feel the pain of their brothers and sister who are massacred daily. Bystanders are also slowly sucked into this vicious circle because of being an observer and not taking any stand against this barbaric condition that is prevailing right in their land. For Allah's sake, Wake up and be HUMAN and take care of HIS Creations and protect them. DO YOU WANT SUCH KIND OF PEOPLE TO RULE OVER YOU? JUST THINK!!!
Yousuf Ahmad
February 19, 2013 7:34 am
Reagrding your comment on the SC making mockery of the dual nationals. What do you expect - that we treat people like Tahir Qadri by laying a red carpet welcome. He came with an agenda to derail the democratic process and he has not minced any words in saying so. Pakistan has had it's fair share of the dual nationals - we have had prime ministers imported (Moin Qureshi/Shaukat Aziz). We sincerely welcome our dual national brothers and sisters - but please dont expect us to welcome them when they come out of now where and want to "FIX" the political system.
February 19, 2013 7:44 am
its easy to sit in north american and pass judgements on Pakistan and propose solutions, why dont you help your dept first, and stop worrying about Pakistan.
Muhammad Bilal
February 19, 2013 7:57 am
guys it is not sunni who kills shia or shia who kills sunni, it is some one else who enjoys the unrest in pakistan, it is USA's black water which is killing from both sides and alleging one an is USA who needs to justify their presence in Asia
February 19, 2013 8:01 am
Dear Murtaza, I do not support such massacre in Pakistan. but brother we Sunni are equally upset as you are on this situation. how can you think of leaving Pakistan. This is your and our homeland. some inhuman can not compel us to leave Pakistan. We are fighting against them and will fight till death. we need to be united at this time. I understand our government failed to protect us, but these are not who gave us this country. We love to live together there is no discrimination among us, yes there are few who are every where I believe. but if you kind educated people, proud of Pakistan take things this way so where will other people go...?? I once again strongly condemn this brutality!!!
Muhammad Bilal
February 19, 2013 8:02 am
awesome reply
February 19, 2013 8:05 am
Sorry, Sunnis are in majority in India
February 19, 2013 8:09 am
NO way. Why should Shias leave Pakistan? And where will they go? This is also their country, their motherland and they have all the rights and duties as citizens. May be the author likes provocative headings in order to attract readers. The fundamental issue here, and unfortunately everywhere in Pakistan, is that the state has failed to fulfull its obligations to its citizens. Security and Stability are fundamental tenets of a state. Shias and all others should punish the politicians for these heinous crimes. The good politicians should punish the police and security officials of this area. The president should punish the army officials responsible for this area- the corps commanders. State levies taxes, hence has also a moral duty to protect citizens. If state fails, shias should stop paying taxes! Remember, violence is never a befitting answer to violence. The parliament can also changes laws which punish shias to be non-muslims. But once again, this party- or so called political junta has failed in all aspects and should be thrown out at next ballotbox.
February 19, 2013 8:11 am
A few Indians are telling Shias to settle in India. Let me tell you that we are our hands full with problems. We cannot afford to allow thousands of Shias into India and create a problem which pakistan is facing.
Kirtimaya Varma
February 19, 2013 8:15 am
A well-balanced and bold article. Shias, Ahmedis, Bohras and other moderate Muslims are well protected in India from extremist Muslims by a police force that is predominantly Hindu.Proud to be an Indian. Kirtimaya Varma
February 19, 2013 8:27 am
We should feel sorrow, but not sink under its oppression. There is no grief like the grief that does not speak. There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.
February 19, 2013 8:29 am
I have full respect for islam, but its a fact that wherever a religious violence occurs, one party is always muslim. but in this case both the fighting parties are muslims. I think violence will never cease until all peoples of other religions except muslims are dead ( not sure ). I have never heard religious fight between christians, hindu, buddhists, jews, sikh etc. but muslims are fighting with all these religions everywhere and among themselves too. . I know Islam doesnt preach violence but then where does the fault lies. No offence
February 19, 2013 8:35 am
Are you nuts? Why should they leave? This is a wrong message to send. We all need to stand up and fight and drive these killer out. I can't believe the author even suggesting contacting embassies. Why leave our own country to get abused in foreign land?
February 19, 2013 8:35 am
Probably Pak as a country has to give up idea of state religion. Only then there will be equal treatment of all people in front of law -- whether Sunnis, Shias, or Ahmadiyas, or Hindus, Christians or Sikhs. The moment state identifies with a particular religion there will be peole claiming to be the purest even within the religion. On the other hand when there is no preference by state, the quest to prove onself to be superior than others will end and everyone will be equal.
anil tiwari
February 19, 2013 8:50 am
I have so many Muslim friends. I think Shia's, Ahmedia's & Bohra's are the most friendly.
February 19, 2013 9:09 am
Yes, first of all you are a humenbeing.
February 19, 2013 9:15 am
Mr @MMS are saying "What nonsence" because you and your family are not suffering like innocent Shia Muslims here.....if anyone in your family or your whole family gets wiped out from the face of the earth by such violence, then i'll ask you if it still is "What nonsence".....You are a TTP member for sure!!!!!
Khan Bhai
February 19, 2013 9:20 am
Really who was Mushaf Ali Mir? Sunni? No sir, he was the Chief of PAF and a proud Shia. And I say that as a Sunni.
February 19, 2013 9:21 am
"Pakistan has been the target of terrorism orchestrated by the very agents who once afforded the state its strategic depth." Dear Mr.Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. , the Associate Dean, I like this statement very much.
February 19, 2013 9:52 am
This was going to happen one day or the other. The Shias in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria decided to join the war against terror against the Sunni's. And Genocyde did happen in those countries. Maybe people forget that for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Recently I have seen some people writing bad things on facebook about the most beloved Sahabas of the Prophet (saw). This is yet another excuse for the militants to retaliate. I strongly suggest that Shia people should stop using hate talks against the sahabas and ummul momineen, and also stop joining other people in war against the muslims. For Shia / Sunnis to reunite peacefully.
February 19, 2013 9:54 am
Why are you inviting trouble? Let them sort it out themselves.
February 19, 2013 10:01 am
This was bound to happen sooner or later. In the war against terror, the Shias decided to join teams with the visiting forces aganist targetting majority of sunnis in Afghanist and Iraq. The shia president of Syria also decided to bombard his sunni countrymen which has reached a figure of over 40,000 civillian deaths, including women and children. Indeed a genocyde happened in those countries. When muslims join forces against non-muslims to attack their brothers, then they remain brothers no more and become enemies. Because for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Also recently some shias have been posting on facebook bad words against the most beloved sahabas of the Prophet (saw) and ummul momineen. I strongly suggest that shia community shuld stop using hate speech against them and also stop joining non-muslims against their brothers. So that shia and sunni can reunite peacefully.
February 19, 2013 10:04 am
Be human first
February 19, 2013 10:05 am
Did you mean to say that "majority of Muslims in India are 'sunnis', yet as a shia you feel safer there?" because: Shias are considered a 'minority' in India and make up 25% to 31% of Muslim population in India ( In Pakistan, a Muslim country, shias are NOT a minority; they are 'Muslims' but just less in number compared to sunnis. We, sunnis and shias plus other religious denominations (Christians, Hindus, etc.) must realize that there are 'people' in Pakistan who are bent on creating circumstances to start a sectarian 'war'. Difficult as it may be, we must stand united!
Adnan Ansari
February 19, 2013 10:12 am
Author is actually a loser and if he is writing about Muslims who have been associated with Hassan R.A and Hussain R.A, they even in Karbala havent given up. Showing graphs and writing impressive speech won't let "real" men to leave Pakistan.. You stay in exile in a western country, and goodluck to you with your worldly desirous life!
February 19, 2013 10:25 am
So that they can feel better about abandoning their own country. Strength in numbers..
February 19, 2013 10:30 am
Ever Heard of shia sunni clashes in india... ever heard of a man called jinnah promising something....
February 19, 2013 10:31 am
hahaha do u think Indians are interested to take over pakistan !
February 19, 2013 10:33 am
dude i would suggest u to just travel to India for a vacation and u will come to know about the reality(ofcourse if u want to see/know it
February 19, 2013 10:39 am
Because india was most stregically located and beautiful country then a man called jinnah came and poured acid of hate on its land and now only the poison can be cultivated...
February 19, 2013 10:43 am
sir im agree with your thinking but we saw a foot print of this extremism who give them budge for killing of our brother shia community first the Taliban grow up in Pakistan with support of Saudi Arabia US and GC country using for against soviet union
Abdul Samad
February 19, 2013 10:45 am
Murtaza Bhai, you are right but I am not totally agree with you. your view is one sided. you voiced only for Shias. you blamed only Deobandis for killings. but in actual in bomb blasts, in target killings and in other ancidents mostly Deobandis are killed. your view can pravail hate in Shias against Deobandis. you should not give such views that will create differences b/w Shia and Sunni
February 19, 2013 10:47 am
Yeh laila you forgot to mention India, We have almost same number of shias in india as there are in pakistan but sunnis dont kill them... try to find the reason... i can give a detailed reason here but quite clearly dawn wont let it reach you... even the most modern publication in the pakistan does not want people to face the bitter truth.. :)
February 19, 2013 10:51 am
still india is much safer than Pakistan (insult to PAK Pure to call Pakistan)
February 19, 2013 10:53 am
how ill is your thinking mr. haider, shia are the followers of Mola Ali who never retreat from battlefield than how can your with tears of crocodile suggest for an asylum in foreign country. Pakistan is our land and no one can take it from us and we will stay here till the last drop of our blood as the world rule is there that when a thief attacks your home you never fled away instead hits back. I think you have got this thinking from USA where not only get your bread but mantle feed as well. keep this cheep thoughts with yourself ok
Uzair khan
February 19, 2013 11:12 am
Mr. Haider i respect your opinion that shias are facing troubles by the hands of extremists or non state actors. But it is a not good of you if the people like you respond like this in the situation. it is not a solution that shias should ask for asylum in the other countries. I also deny from you that any particular group is targeting like sunnis targeting them. you better know that what has been happening in pakistan; so in my point of view humans are humans and they should be treated as the same
February 19, 2013 11:14 am
Ever heard of sampling error and sampling bias? You cannot, with a straight face at least, extrapolate the views of a few thousand onto the views of almost 200 million people.
February 19, 2013 11:24 am
Time for Shias, to start a demand of their own independent country , following Jinnah's logic
February 19, 2013 11:29 am
Why are Indians so obsessed with Pakistan? Did we really hurt your ego that bad in 1947?
February 19, 2013 11:30 am
May be time to divide Pakistan into 2 countries. One for Sunnis and the second for shias
February 19, 2013 11:31 am
Please do not associate the word muslim with these butchers. Too late however, as I am forever defending my faith when asked about Islam/Pakistan from non muslims. I am I fear in a losing battle.
February 19, 2013 11:34 am
why should they leave Pakistan it is there country as well why do sunni mislims think that Pakistan belongs to them, it belongs to all Pakistanis, what is wrong with Pakistan why are they doing this to innocent people, have these people who are killing the innocent shias thought that the founder of Pakistan Mr Jinnah was also a shia. but ofcause they have not Pakistan has become a failed state the corrupt gov do not care what happens to it the popele who are fed up do not know what to do its time to wake upa nd smell the coffee Pakistan. live in peace because all muslims are suppose to be brothers and live an peace.
February 19, 2013 11:37 am
standing back and watching the killings, what would one expect from them.
February 19, 2013 11:38 am
No RRS muslims are doing that to themselvesthey do not need any outside help to ruin themselves.
February 19, 2013 11:42 am
Malik why should they go anywhere they are living in there country Pakistan does not just belong to the sunni muslims it belongs to anyone who lives there shiaschristians,hidus,sikhs any anyone else who is not a sunni muslim. sunni muslims do not have the rights on Pakistan no one has. live in peace Pakistan before you destroy your self.
Sagar meh
February 19, 2013 11:52 am
Lie lie big lie. only upto 20 pcent of Indian muslims are Shia.
February 19, 2013 11:55 am
Very sad happening once again. It should not have happened and nothing like this should happen. I am not justifying or arguing against the ill feelings of those who suffered, but why we are pointing fingers at the whole nation? Those who die in other parts of the country are also human beings and Pakistanis, rather them be sunnis or whatever. Why we forget the fact that we are all one nation? If anyone is harmed, we should look at it with one opinion. By the way, the author sitting in a comfortable chair in a foreign land has forgotten that those who struggled for Pakistan were Muslims. They never thought about being of one sect or the other. With your kind articles and the foreign involvements, the country is heading towards a state very similar to Iraq/Libya. Pakistani nation should decide their destiny. Stand unite and fight the hidden enemy within themselves or follow such articles and become the next Iraq/Libya. Wherever you go you will still be called a "bloody Paki" and nothing else.
Malik Farooq
February 19, 2013 11:56 am
Are you sure to say that majority of muslimes in india are shia. Get some facts right.
Ali Mustafa
February 19, 2013 12:03 pm
Even The Quaid e Azam should spritually leave Pakistan; as very soon these terrorists wont even spare him. I have left Pakistan and my heart cries for my people, we dont even have sympathies of our sunni brothers whom I consider my brother and thats something which hurts me even more. We are better of being exlied..
February 19, 2013 12:09 pm
I think we should not be afraid of these handful of terrorist and unite among ourselves to eradicate terrorism and militancy from our country. Army is bopth part of problem as well as solution. If it vowed to eradicate terrorism and special military courts be set up to try terrorist, the problem can be addressed. Some countries have bleaker situation than Pakistan, as Itlay, Mexico etc but their institutions came out of slumber and saved their country. No wonder why we cannot do it now. The problem is not only of shia, as if we loose the writ of state our country would become jungle and unliveable for all except small minority. Sajjad.
Cherian (Melbourne)
February 19, 2013 12:26 pm
While commending the appreciation for your homeland India, could you clarify the stament "In india, majority of the muslims are shias". Wikipedia states that Shias constitute 25-30% of Indian muslim population. No hidden agendas, I am an Indian Christian and my interest is purely academic.
February 19, 2013 12:28 pm
Please don't say that Zain. I really hope your son has a bright future in Pakistan. We need to do whatever we can to make sure Sunni and Shai live happily together like we did for the around 50 or so years. This is a fairly recent trend that idiots on both sides (Sunnis and Shias) have hijacked Pkaistan and its people. As far as these recent killings are concerned, I am ashamed to be a Sunni, I am shamed to be a Muslim and I am ashamed to be a Pakistani.
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